Mathilde (?) of Verdun1

F, #10861, d. circa 1039
FatherHermann/Hezelo (?) von Enham, Graf in Eifelgau, Vicomte of Verdun2,1 d. bt 28 Dec 1029 - May 1029
MotherMatilde (?) von Dasburg1,3
Last Edited29 Jul 2004
     Mathilde (?) of Verdun married Regnier V (?) Count of Hainault, son of Regnier IV (?) comte de Hainaut et de Mons and Hedwige/Adwige (?) Princess of France, circa 1015.4,5,6,1

Mathilde (?) of Verdun died circa 1039; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1 page) says d. after 1039.4,1
      ; Matilda of Verdun, +after 1039; m.ca 1015 Ct Reginar V of Hainault (+after 1039.)1

Family

Regnier V (?) Count of Hainault b. b 1013, d. c 1039
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann von Enham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121017&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde von Dasburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121018&tree=LEO
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 106-22, p. 100. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Milford Haven Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brabant 1 page (Dukes of Brabant and Landgraves of Hesse): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brabant/brabant1.html
  7. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10662

Hermann/Hezelo (?) von Enham, Graf in Eifelgau, Vicomte of Verdun1,2,3,4

M, #10862, d. between 28 December 1029 and May 1029
FatherGodefroi/Godfrey "the Old" "the Prisoner" I (?) Graf von Bidgau Bidgau, Ct of Verdun2,3,4,5,6 b. bt 930 - 935, d. a 3 Sep 997
MotherMathilde/Maud Billung (?) von Sachsen2,3,4,7 b. c 940, d. 25 May 1008
Last Edited30 Oct 2020
     Hermann/Hezelo (?) von Enham, Graf in Eifelgau, Vicomte of Verdun married Matilde (?) von Dasburg, daughter of Ludwig (?) Count von Dasburg.2,8,3

Hermann/Hezelo (?) von Enham, Graf in Eifelgau, Vicomte of Verdun died between 28 December 1029 and May 1029.2,3,4
      ; Ct Herman of Verdun, Gf im Eifelgau u.in Westfalen, +1029; m.Matilda N.3

; Leo van de pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 19.2

; Weis [AR7] line 106-22.9

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 277. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann von Enham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121017&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  4. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/mathi000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godefroy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121020&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Godefroidied995B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde|Machteld von Hammerstein: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00018653&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde von Dasburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121018&tree=LEO
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 106-22, p. 100. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124982&tree=LEO

Hermann (?) Count of Hainault1,2,3

M, #10863, d. circa 1049
FatherRegnier V (?) Count of Hainault4,5 b. b 1013, d. c 1039
MotherMathilde (?) of Verdun4,5 d. c 1039
Last Edited11 Jun 2020
     Hermann (?) Count of Hainault died circa 1049; Genealogy.EU (Brabant 1 page) says d. ca 1049.3,5,6 He married Richilde (?) de Mons, comtesse de Hainaut, daughter of Rainier de Hasnon marggrave,
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,5,6,7
      ; HERMANN, last COUNT OF HAINAULT of his line; m Richilde (m 2nd Baldwin VI, Count of Flanders; m 3rd William Fitz Osbern, Earl of Hereford and Jt Viceroy England, and d 1086), perhaps dau of Roger or Reginar, bro of Arnoul, Count of Valenciennes, and d by 1051, leaving, with a dau (Gertrude, Benedictine nun): Roger; Bp Châlons-sur-Marne 1066; dsp 1093.3
Hermann (?) Count of Hainault was last Count of Hainault of his line. He was Count of Hainault at Hainaut, France.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Herman de Hainaut dit «de Mons» + 03/07/1049 ou ~1050/51 ? comte de Hainaut, Mons, Valenciennes et partie du Brabant (cité charte de Rainier V de donation de Lietgarde à l’Abbaye de Saint-Ghislain entre 1024 et 1039)
ép. ~1040 (contestation pour consanguinité mais approuvé par l’Evêque de Cambrai) Richilde dite «de Hainaut» ° ~1027 + 15/03/1087 (Messine, Sicile) comtesse de Hainaut, etc. (fille de Rainier de Hasnon (fils d’un autre Rainier), marggrave de Valenciennes entre 1045 et 1048/49 ; elle
ép. 2) ~1051 (disp. pap de Léon IX Baudouin VI, comte de Flandres (1067) dit «de Mons» et de Hainaut (1055, Baudouin 1er) + 17/07/1070 > autre postérité : cf Flandres ;
ép. 3) 1070 William FitzOsbern (Guillaume Crespin), seigneur de Breteuil (Normandie), earl of Hereford and Essex, comte de Hainaut +X 20/02/1071 (Mont Cassel) > sans postérité de 3 ) (citée cartulaire de Saint-Bertin) (la prosopographie note l’apparatition du prénom Roger pour l’un de ses fils, inusité chez les Hainaut mais chez les seigneurs de Laon, comtes de Porcien et de Saint-Pol ; une mention la dit parente d’Ade (de Rumigny ?), épouse d’Hugues, Châtelain de Cambrai) )“”.8

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 277. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 106-22, p. 100. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Milford Haven Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10662
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brabant 1 page (Dukes of Brabant and Landgraves of Hesse): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brabant/brabant1.html
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120771&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Hainaut Hennegau, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Hainaut.pdf

Gerhard I (?) Comte de Vaudémont1,2

M, #10864, b. circa 1057, d. circa 1108
FatherGerard IV (?) Graf von Metz, Count of Alsace, Duke of Upper Lotharingia, Count of Chatenois3,4,5,1,6 b. c 1008, d. c 14 Apr 1070
MotherHedwige (Hadwide) (?) de Namur3,7,1,6 b. bt 1005 - 1010, d. 1080
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited11 Jul 2020
     Gerhard I (?) Comte de Vaudémont married Alberade (?)
;
His 1st wife.3,6 Gerhard I (?) Comte de Vaudémont was born circa 1057.3,1 He married Helvide/Edith von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim, daughter of Gerhard II von Dagsburg Graf im Nordgau, Graf von Egisheim and Richarde (?), circa 1080
;
His 2nd wife.8,3,9,1,6
Gerhard I (?) Comte de Vaudémont died circa 1108; Weis says d. 1098; Genealogy.EU (Lorraine 11 page) says d. 1108; Genealogics says d. bef 1118 and d. ca 1108.8,3,1
     GAV-25 EDV-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:129, 144.1

; Per Genealogics:
     “Gerhard was born about 1057, the second son of Gerhard, duke of Upper-Lorraine, and his wife Hadwide de Namur. On the death of his father in 1070, Gerhard claimed some of his father's lands, and he acted like a robber baron, ravaging the land south of Lorraine. His brother Thierry II, who was in conflict with Graf Ludwig von Mousson, Castellanus in Mömpelgard, Altkirch und Pfirt, for the succession to the duchy, gave Gerhard a portion of the Saintois region of Lorraine, located around Vaudémont, and Emperor Heinrich IV granted him the dignity of a countship.
     “From his inauguration he worked closely with his brother, fighting the counts of Mömpelgard/Montbéliard and thereby preserving the southern border of the duchy of Lorraine.
     “Gerhard fought against a duke of Burgundy and was taken prisoner in 1080, but apart from Jean de Bayon whose account a few centuries later has some errors and omissions (including the first name of the duke of Burgundy), no other source mentions the episode. However the suzerainty of the dukes of Burgundy over the lordships of Charmes and Ramberailles, possessions of Vaudémont, is a fact, and the episode could account for the origin of the suzerainty.
     “Gerhard is referred to in numerous charters relating to various abbeys, as a source of endowments or as a witness, except in the period 1097-1101. This gap could be explained by his participation in the First Crusade, but none of the chroniclers of the crusades mentions it.
     “About 1080 Gerhard married Helwide von Dagsburg, heiress of Egisheim, and daughter of Gerhard II von Dagsburg, Graf im Nordgau, Graf von Egisheim, and his wife Richarda. Helwide's father was a descendant of a Heinrich von Dagsburg, a brother of Pope Leo IX. Of their four children, Hugues I, Gisèle and Stephanie are recorded with progeny, Judith was abbess of the convent of Remiremont, then that of Saint-Pierre at Metz.
     “Gerhard died about 1108.”.1 Gerhard I (?) Comte de Vaudémont was also known as Gerard I Comte de Vaudémont.3

; This is the same person as ”Gerhard I. (Vaudémont)” at Wikipedia.2

; Per Genealogy.EU (Lorraine 11): “A2. Cte Gerhard I de Vaudémont, *1057, +1108; 1m: Alberade N; 2m: ca 1080 Hedwig (Edith) von Egisheim (+by 1126) dau.of Gerhard, Gf von Egisheim, niece of Pope Leo IX”.10

; Per Med Lands:
     "GERARD de Lorraine, son of GERARD Duke of Upper Lorraine & his wife Hadwide de Namur (-1108, bur Belval). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Gerardum…primus comes Wanderi Montis" as son of "Gerardus de Alsatia dux Mosellanorum"[346]. He opposed his brother's sole succession in 1071, waged war for two years, the dispute being settled when his brother ceded him the Saintois and other territories, which became the county of Vaudémont, 14 Apr 1073. Comte de Vaudémont. He constructed the fortresses of Deuilly and Châtel-sur-Moselle[347]. The Codex de l’Angelica records “Haduydis ducissa” donating a serf to Remiremont, with the consent of “filiis suis duce Theoderico atque comite Girardo”, undated[348]. [The Codex de l’Angelica records that “Gerardus comes et Alberada comitissa” donated a serf to Remiremont, undated[349].] Pibo Bishop of Toul granted privileges to the monastery of Toul Saint-Léon and named "dux Theodericus et Simon puer eius filius, et frater ducis Gerardus comes et Renardus comes Tillensis" by charter dated 10 Oct 1091[350]. He founded the Priory of Belval 1097. Vogt of Lure.
     "[m firstly ALBERADE, daughter of --- (-12 Aug ----). The Codex de l’Angelica records that “Gerardus comes et Alberada comitissa” donated a serf to Remiremont, undated[351]. One possibility is that the donor was Gérard Comte de Vaudémont (whose mother donated property to Remiremont), with an earlier otherwise unrecorded first wife. Another possibility is that the donor was Gerhard [I] Graf von Egisheim (the great-great uncle of the known wife of Gérard Comte de Vaudémont, see the document ALSACE), who is not otherwise recorded as having married, assuming that the donation was dated to the 1030s. An indication of her origin is provided by the same source which records that “Alberada comitissa” donated serfs to Remiremont, for the souls of “suorum antecessorum que venerunt de Castencium [Chatenois] et manserunt in potestate que dicitur Ulmis [Ormes]”, undated[352].]
     "m [secondly] ([1080]) HEILWIG von Egisheim, daughter of GERHARD [II] Graf von Egisheim & his wife Richarda --- (-29 Jan before 1126, bur Belval). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Gerardum…primus comes Wanderi Montis" as "filiam comitis de Daburc, neptem sancti Leonis papa" but does not name her or her father[353]. “Helwigis comitissa filia comitis Gerhardi de castro Egensheim...et Hugone filio suo majore eius advocato ceterisque filiis ipsius” donated “Berhtam” to Strasbourg by charter dated 1118, witnessed by “filiis ambobus laycis Hugone maiore et minore Udalrico...Sigefridus advocatus et Heinrich et Diebolth vicedominus”[354]."
Med Lands cites:
[346] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[347] Poull (1991), p. 23.
[348] Didier-Laurent ‘L’abbaye de Remiremont’ (1897), p. 390.
[349] Didier-Laurent ‘L’abbaye de Remiremont’ (1897), p. 393.
[350] Calmet (1748), Tome III, Preuves, col. xx.
[351] Didier-Laurent ‘L’abbaye de Remiremont’ (1897), p. 393.
[352] Didier-Laurent ‘L’abbaye de Remiremont’ (1897), p. 393.
[353] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[354] Alsatia Diplomatica, Tome I, CCXLIV, p. 193.6


; Per Med Lands:
     "HEILWIG (-29 Jan before 1126, bur Belval). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Gerardum…primus comes Wanderi Montis" as "filiam comitis de Daburc, neptem sancti Leonis papa" but does not name her or her father[276]. Heiress of Egisheim. “Helwigis comitissa filia comitis Gerhardi de castro Egensheim...et Hugone filio suo majore eius advocato ceterisque filiis ipsius” donated “Berhtam” to Strasbourg by charter dated 1118, witnessed by “filiis ambobus laycis Hugone maiore et minore Udalrico...Sigefridus advocatus et Heinrich et Diebolth vicedominus”[277].
     "m ([1080]) [as his second wife,] GERARD de Lorraine Comte de Vaudémont, son of GÉRARD Duke of Upper Lorraine & his wife Hadwide --- ([1057]-1108, bur Belval)."
Med Lands cites:
[276] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[277] Alsatia Diplomatica, Tome I, CCXLIV, p. 193.
[278] Calmet, A. (1748) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome III, Preuves, col. xvii.11
He was Comte de Vaudémont between 1070 and 1108.2

Family 1

Alberade (?)

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028162&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_I._(Vaud%C3%A9mont). Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120309&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#Gerarddied1070B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#GerardVaudemontdied1108B
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadwide de Namur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120310&tree=LEO
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 144-24, p. 127. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helwide von Dagsburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028163&tree=LEO
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#HelwidisEgisheimdiedbefore1126
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Stephanie de Lorraine-Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026672&tree=LEO
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisèle de Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026516&tree=LEO
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163407&tree=LEO

Helvide/Edith von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim1,2,3

F, #10865, d. before 29 January 1126
FatherGerhard II von Dagsburg Graf im Nordgau, Graf von Egisheim4,5,3,6 d. 1098
MotherRicharde (?)4,3,6
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited11 Jul 2020
     Helvide/Edith von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim married Gerhard I (?) Comte de Vaudémont, son of Gerard IV (?) Graf von Metz, Count of Alsace, Duke of Upper Lotharingia, Count of Chatenois and Hedwige (Hadwide) (?) de Namur, circa 1080
;
His 2nd wife.7,4,3,8,9
Helvide/Edith von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim died before 1126.10
Helvide/Edith von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim died before 29 January 1126; Weis [AR7] says d. 1118; Genealogy.EU (Lorraine 11 page) says d. bef 1126; Genealogics says b. bef 29 Jan 1126; Med Lands says d. "29 Jan after 1126."7,4,3,6
Helvide/Edith von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim was buried circa 29 January 1126 at Belval, Departement des Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France.6
      ; Per Genealogy.EU (Lorraine 11): “A2. Cte Gerhard I de Vaudémont, *1057, +1108; 1m: Alberade N; 2m: ca 1080 Hedwig (Edith) von Egisheim (+by 1126) dau.of Gerhard, Gf von Egisheim, niece of Pope Leo IX”.11
; Per Med Lands:
     "GERARD de Lorraine, son of GERARD Duke of Upper Lorraine & his wife Hadwide de Namur (-1108, bur Belval). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Gerardum…primus comes Wanderi Montis" as son of "Gerardus de Alsatia dux Mosellanorum"[346]. He opposed his brother's sole succession in 1071, waged war for two years, the dispute being settled when his brother ceded him the Saintois and other territories, which became the county of Vaudémont, 14 Apr 1073. Comte de Vaudémont. He constructed the fortresses of Deuilly and Châtel-sur-Moselle[347]. The Codex de l’Angelica records “Haduydis ducissa” donating a serf to Remiremont, with the consent of “filiis suis duce Theoderico atque comite Girardo”, undated[348]. [The Codex de l’Angelica records that “Gerardus comes et Alberada comitissa” donated a serf to Remiremont, undated[349].] Pibo Bishop of Toul granted privileges to the monastery of Toul Saint-Léon and named "dux Theodericus et Simon puer eius filius, et frater ducis Gerardus comes et Renardus comes Tillensis" by charter dated 10 Oct 1091[350]. He founded the Priory of Belval 1097. Vogt of Lure.
     "[m firstly ALBERADE, daughter of --- (-12 Aug ----). The Codex de l’Angelica records that “Gerardus comes et Alberada comitissa” donated a serf to Remiremont, undated[351]. One possibility is that the donor was Gérard Comte de Vaudémont (whose mother donated property to Remiremont), with an earlier otherwise unrecorded first wife. Another possibility is that the donor was Gerhard [I] Graf von Egisheim (the great-great uncle of the known wife of Gérard Comte de Vaudémont, see the document ALSACE), who is not otherwise recorded as having married, assuming that the donation was dated to the 1030s. An indication of her origin is provided by the same source which records that “Alberada comitissa” donated serfs to Remiremont, for the souls of “suorum antecessorum que venerunt de Castencium [Chatenois] et manserunt in potestate que dicitur Ulmis [Ormes]”, undated[352].]
     "m [secondly] ([1080]) HEILWIG von Egisheim, daughter of GERHARD [II] Graf von Egisheim & his wife Richarda --- (-29 Jan before 1126, bur Belval). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Gerardum…primus comes Wanderi Montis" as "filiam comitis de Daburc, neptem sancti Leonis papa" but does not name her or her father[353]. “Helwigis comitissa filia comitis Gerhardi de castro Egensheim...et Hugone filio suo majore eius advocato ceterisque filiis ipsius” donated “Berhtam” to Strasbourg by charter dated 1118, witnessed by “filiis ambobus laycis Hugone maiore et minore Udalrico...Sigefridus advocatus et Heinrich et Diebolth vicedominus”[354]."
Med Lands cites:
[346] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[347] Poull (1991), p. 23.
[348] Didier-Laurent ‘L’abbaye de Remiremont’ (1897), p. 390.
[349] Didier-Laurent ‘L’abbaye de Remiremont’ (1897), p. 393.
[350] Calmet (1748), Tome III, Preuves, col. xx.
[351] Didier-Laurent ‘L’abbaye de Remiremont’ (1897), p. 393.
[352] Didier-Laurent ‘L’abbaye de Remiremont’ (1897), p. 393.
[353] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[354] Alsatia Diplomatica, Tome I, CCXLIV, p. 193.9


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: 6:129; 1.2 200B.3 GAV-25 EDV-25. Helvide/Edith von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim was also known as Heilwig von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "HEILWIG (-29 Jan before 1126, bur Belval). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Gerardum…primus comes Wanderi Montis" as "filiam comitis de Daburc, neptem sancti Leonis papa" but does not name her or her father[276]. Heiress of Egisheim. “Helwigis comitissa filia comitis Gerhardi de castro Egensheim...et Hugone filio suo majore eius advocato ceterisque filiis ipsius” donated “Berhtam” to Strasbourg by charter dated 1118, witnessed by “filiis ambobus laycis Hugone maiore et minore Udalrico...Sigefridus advocatus et Heinrich et Diebolth vicedominus”[277].
     "m ([1080]) [as his second wife,] GERARD de Lorraine Comte de Vaudémont, son of GÉRARD Duke of Upper Lorraine & his wife Hadwide --- ([1057]-1108, bur Belval)."
Med Lands cites:
[276] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[277] Alsatia Diplomatica, Tome I, CCXLIV, p. 193.
[278] Calmet, A. (1748) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome III, Preuves, col. xvii.6

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helwide von Dagsburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028163&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard II von Dagsburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028164&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#HelwidisEgisheimdiedbefore1126. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 144-24, p. 127. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028162&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#GerardVaudemontdied1108B
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helwide von Dagsburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028163&tree=LEO
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Stephanie de Lorraine-Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026672&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisèle de Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026516&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163407&tree=LEO

Gerhard II von Dagsburg Graf im Nordgau, Graf von Egisheim1

M, #10866, d. 1098
FatherHeinrich I (?) Graf von Egisheim und Dagsburg1,2 b. c 1040, d. c 1065
MotherNN de Moha1 b. c 1040
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited11 Jul 2020
     Gerhard II von Dagsburg Graf im Nordgau, Graf von Egisheim married Richarde (?)3,1

Gerhard II von Dagsburg Graf im Nordgau, Graf von Egisheim died in 1098.3
     GAV-26 EDV-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 1.2 200B.1 He was living in 1065.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard II von Dagsburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028164&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#HeinrichIdied1065B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 144-24, p. 127. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helwide von Dagsburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028163&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#HelwidisEgisheimdiedbefore1126

Richarde (?)

F, #10867
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited11 Jul 2020

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 144-24, p. 127. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard II von Dagsburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028164&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helwide von Dagsburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028163&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#HelwidisEgisheimdiedbefore1126. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc1,2,3,4

M, #10868, b. circa 1045, d. 2 January 1105
FatherLudwig/Louis II (?) Graf von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, im Altkirch und Pfirt3,5,6,7,8,9 b. bt 1015 - 1019, d. bt 1073 - 1076
MotherSofie (?) of Haute Lorraine, Css of Mousson2,3,5,8,10 b. c 1018, d. c 1092
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc was born circa 1045.2,4,5 He married Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard, daughter of Guillaume I "The Great" Testard (?) Comte de Bourgogne et de Macon and Etiennette (?), circa 1065
; Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) says m. ca 1065; Leo van de Pas says m. 1065; Weis [AR7] line 144-23 says m. 1076.11,2,12,13,3,4,14
Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc died on 2 January 1105; Genealogy.EU (Ivrea 1 page) says d. 1102/5, Racines et Histoire says d. 01-02/01/1103.11,2,13,3,4,5
Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc was buried after 2 January 1105 at Autun Cathedral .5
     He was Seigneur d'Altkirch, Ferrette, Montbeliard, Mousson, Bar et Amaure.3

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: 1.2 226 ; VI 146.
2. La Maison Ducale de Bar, Rupt-sur-Moselle, 1977. , Georges Poull, Reference: 63.
3. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 181.3


; Per Genealogy.EU: "Dietrich II, Ct in Altkirch und Pfirt, Ct in Bar-le-Duc, *ca 1045, +2.1.1105; m.ca 1065 Ermentrude de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard (*ca 1055, +after 8.3.1105.)2"



; Per Wikipedia:
     "Theodoric I (French: Thierry) (ca. 1045 – 2 January 1105) was a Count of Montbéliard, Count of Bar and lord of Mousson (as Theodoric II) and Count of Verdun. He was the son of Louis, Count of Montbéliard, and Sophie, Countess of Bar and Lady of Mousson.
     "After his father's death, he claimed the estate of the Duchy of Lorraine, which his father had already claimed. The claim was dismissed by Emperor Henry IV, confirming the duchy to Theodoric the Valiant. In retaliation, he ravaged the diocese of Metz, but he was defeated by Adalbéron III, bishop of Metz, and the Duke of Lorraine Theodoric the Valiant. Reconciled with the Church, he founded an abbey in 1074 in Haguenau and rebuilt the church at Montbéliard in 1080. He did not participate at the Council of Clermont in 1095, or the Crusades, but rather sent his son Louis in the Crusades. In 1100, the Bishop of Verdun gave the county to Thierry for life, but the relationship between the spiritual and temporal powers was turbulent.
     "In 1065 Theodoric married Ermentrude of Burgundy (1055–1105), daughter of William I, Count of Burgundy, and Stephanie. They had the following issue:
** Theodoric II (1081–1163), Count of Montbéliard
** Louis, who became a crusader, returned in 1102 and was assassinated in 1103
** Frederick I († 1160), Count of Ferrette and Altkirch
** Reginald I (1090–1150), Count of Bar and lord of Mousson
** Stephen (†1162), bishop of Metz
** William, who died before 1105
** Hugh, cited in 1105, probably religious, because he did not share his father's possessions
** Gunthilde (†1131), abbess of Biblisheim
** Agnes, married in 1104 (†1136)

References
** Georges Poull, La Maison souveraine et ducale de Bar, 1994."15



; Per Genealogics:
     "Thierry was born about 1045, the son of Graf Ludwig von Mousson, Castellanus in Mömpelgard, Altkirch und Pfirt, and Sofie of Lorraine, countess of Bar and lady of Mousson. He was count of Montbéliard/Mömpelgard, count of Bar and lord of Mousson (as Thierry II) and count of Verdun.
     "About 1065 Thierry married Ermengarde de Bourgogne, daughter of Guillaume I, comte de Bourgogne, and his wife Stephanie. They had about ten children of whom Friedrich, Renaud I, Dietrich II, Agnes and another daughter (possibly called Mechtild) would have progeny.
     "After his father's death between 1073 and 1076, Thierry claimed the estate of the duchy of Lorraine, which his father had already claimed. The claim was dismissed by Emperor Heinrich IV, who confirmed the duchy to Thierry II 'the Valiant'. In retaliation Thierry I ravaged the diocese of Metz, but he was defeated by Adalbéron III, bishop of Metz, and Thierry II, duke of Lorraine. Reconciled with the Church, he founded an abbey in 1074 in Haguenau and rebuilt the church at Montbéliard in 1080. He did not participate at the Council of Clermont in 1095, or the Crusades, but sent his son Ludwig in his stead (Ludwig survived the Crusades but was later murdered). In 1100 the bishop of Verdun gave the country to Thierry for life, but the relationship between the spiritual and temporal powers remained turbulent.
     "Thierry died on 2 January 1105. He was succeeded by his son Dietrich II."3



; Per Med Lands:
     "THIERRY de Mousson, son of LOUIS Comte de Mousson & his wife Sophie of Upper Lotharingia ([1045]-1/2 Jan 1103, bur Autun Cathedral). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Theodericum" as son of "comiti Montionis Ludovico" and his wife Sophie[69]. "Filia Wilelmi comitis de Burgundia Hermentrudis…" founded the Cluniac abbey of Froidefontaine by charter dated 8 Mar 1105 in which she names "suis antecessoribus…Lodewico, Sophia eius uxore, et filiis eorum Brunone, Theoderico, Lodewico, Friderico, filiabus vero Mathilde, Sophia, Beatrice…"[70]. On his marriage, he entered into possession of the château and seigneurie de Montbéliard[71]. He succeeded his father in [1071/76] in his territories of Altkirch, Ferrette, and around Hagenau. He was present at the 1076 enfranchisement of the chapel in the castle of Amance[72]. He inherited the region of the future county of Bar from his mother in 1093. He had taken a vow to join the First Crusade but was released from it due to illness. He was invested as Comte de Verdun after 1096 by Richer Bishop of Verdun[73]. He dictated his testament in 1102 at the castle of Altkirch[74]. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul records the death "1 Jan" of "Henricus et Theodoricus comites"[75].
     "m ([1065]) ERMENTRUDE de Bourgogne heiress of Montbéliard, daughter of GUILLAUME I "le Grand" Comte Palatin de Bourgogne & his wife Etiennette --- ([1050/55]-1106 or after, bur Autun Cathedral). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ermentrudem" as wife of "Theodericum [filius comiti Montionis Ludovico]" specifying that she was heiress to Montbéliard[76]. "Filia Wilelmi comitis de Burgundia Hermentrudis et filii sui Fridericus, Raginaudus, Theodericus" founded the Cluniac abbey of Froidefontaine by charter dated 8 Mar 1105 in which she names "suis antecessoribus…Lodewico, Sophia eius uxore, et filiis eorum Brunone, Theoderico, Lodewico, Friderico, filiabus vero Mathilde, Sophia, Beatrice, filiis autem Theoderici atque sue uxoris Hermentrudis, Lodewico, Wilelmo, Hugone", witnessed by "Henricus de Suarca cum genero suo Gerunch, Gotefridus filius avunculi eiusdem comitis [Friderici]"[77]. It is assumed from the expression "suis antecessoribus" that all those so described were deceased at the date of the foundation. She subscribed her son Renaud's act of sale of the fortress of Commercy to the abbé de Saint-Mihiel in 1106[78]."
Med Lands cites:
[69] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, p. 784.
[70] Cluny, Tome V, 3830, p. 190.
[71] Aubry de Trois-Fontaines Chronique, MGH, SS, tome XXIII, p. 784, quoted in Poull (1994), p. 77.
[72] Lesort Chronique Saint-Mihiel, no. 39, p. 153, quoted in Poull (1994), p. 20, and no. 43 and 44, pp. 166-71, cited in Poull (1994), p. 76.
[73] Laurent de Liège Gesta episc. Virdun, MGH, SS, tome X, p. 498, cited in Poull (1994), p. 77.
[74] Lesort Chronique Saint-Mihiel, no. 59, pp. 202-04, cited in Poull (1994), pp. 77 and 89.
[75] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XVIII 1928, p. 96.
[76] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, p. 784.
[77] Cluny, Tome V, 3830, p. 190.
[78] Lesort Chronique Saint-Mihiel, no. 61, pp. 216-18, cited in Poull (1994), p. 78.5


Reference: Weis [AR7] line 144-23, 167-23.16 Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc was also known as Theodoric I (?) Count of Montbéliard.15 Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc was also known as Thierry de Mousson.5 GAV-25 EDV-25. He was Count of Montbéliard (See attached Map) between 1073 and 1105. He was Count of Bar between 1093 and 1105.15 He was Lord of Mousson between 1093 and 1105.15 He was Count of Verdun between 1100 and 1105.15

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 272. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thierry I (Dietrich): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026664&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#ThierryIdied1105B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Graf Ludwig von Mousson: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331152&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html#L2
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#Louisdied10731076B
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sofie of Lorraine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331153&tree=LEO
  11. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 144-23, p. 127. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raymond: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020899&tree=LEO
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ivrea 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ivrea/ivrea1.html
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20Kingdom.htm#RaimondAmousdied1107
  15. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_I,_Count_of_Montb%C3%A9liard. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  16. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 144-23, p. 127; line 167-23, p. 144.
  17. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3.
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Mechtild) von Bar-Mömpelgard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208090&tree=LEO
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026670&tree=LEO
  20. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkmontb.htm#ThierryMontbeliarddiedbefore1160
  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Reinald I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026515&tree=LEO
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Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard1,2,3,4

F, #10869, b. between 1050 and 1055, d. after 8 March 1105
FatherGuillaume I "The Great" Testard (?) Comte de Bourgogne et de Macon5,2,3,4,6 b. c 1024, d. 12 Nov 1087
MotherEtiennette (?)7,2,3,4,6 b. c 1035, d. a 1092
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited13 May 2020
     Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard was born between 1050 and 1055.1,6 She married Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc, son of Ludwig/Louis II (?) Graf von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, im Altkirch und Pfirt and Sofie (?) of Haute Lorraine, Css of Mousson, circa 1065
; Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) says m. ca 1065; Leo van de Pas says m. 1065; Weis [AR7] line 144-23 says m. 1076.8,1,9,3,10,4,6
Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard died after 8 March 1105.8,1,3,2
Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard was buried after 8 March 1105 at Autun Cathedral .6
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: "Ermentrude, heiress of Mömpelgard (Montbeliard), +after 8.3.1105; m.ca 1065 Ct Thierry I of Bar (+1102/5.)3"



Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: II 27.2

; Per Med Lands:
     " ERMENTRUDE de Bourgogne ([1050/55]-1106 or after, bur Autun Cathedral). Her birth date is estimated from her possible marriage date, bearing in mind the probable dates of birth of her oldest children. If it correct, it is likely that Ermentrude was one of her parents’ oldest children. "Filia Wilelmi comitis de Burgundia Hermentrudis et filii sui Fridericus, Raginaudus, Theodericus" founded the Cluniac abbey of Froidefontaine by charter dated 8 Mar 1105 in which she names "suis antecessoribus…Lodewico, Sophia eius uxore, et filiis eorum Brunone, Theoderico, Lodewico, Friderico, filiabus vero Mathilde, Sophia, Beatrice, filiis autem Theoderici atque sue uxoris Hermentrudis, Lodewico, Wilelmo, Hugone", witnessed by "Henricus de Suarca cum genero suo Gerunch, Gotefridus filius avunculi eiusdem comitis [Friderici]"[45]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ermentrudem" as wife of "Theodericum [filius comiti Montionis Ludovico]" specifying that she was heiress to Montbéliard[46]. She retired to the château de Montbéliard after the death of her husband. She subscribed a sale act of her son Renaud in 1106[47]. m ([1065]) THIERRY de Mousson, son of LOUIS Comte de Mousson & his wife Sophie of Upper Lotharingia ([1045]-1/2 Jan 1103, bur Autun Cathedral)."
Med Lands cites:
[45] Cluny, Tome V, 3830, p. 190.
[46] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, p. 784.
[47] Poull, G. (1994) La Maison souveraine et ducale de Bar (Presses Universitaires de Nancy), p. 78, citing Lesort, A. (1909) Chronique et chartes de l'abbaye de Saint-Mihiel, Mettensia 27 (Paris), no. 61, pp. 216-18 [not yet consulted].6
GAV-25 EDV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrude de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026534&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ivrea 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ivrea/ivrea1.html
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026527&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20Kingdom.htm#RaimondAmousdied1107. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Stephanie (de Longwy): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026528&tree=LEO
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 144-23, p. 127. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raymond: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020899&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thierry I (Dietrich): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026664&tree=LEO
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Mechtild) von Bar-Mömpelgard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208090&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026670&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Reinald I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026515&tree=LEO
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes von Bar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174519&tree=LEO
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#AgnesMHermannSalm

Ludwig/Louis II (?) Graf von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, im Altkirch und Pfirt1,2,3,4,5,6

M, #10870, b. between 1015 and 1019, d. between 1073 and 1076
FatherRicwuin/Ricuin/Ricwin (?) Graf im Scarponnois2,4,5,7,8,9,6 b. c 990, d. a 1028
MotherHildegarde von Egisheim2,4,10,8,5,9,6 b. c 990
ReferenceGAV28 EDV27
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Ludwig/Louis II (?) Graf von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, im Altkirch und Pfirt was born between 1015 and 1019.11,5,9 He married Sofie (?) of Haute Lorraine, Css of Mousson, daughter of Friedrich II (?) Count de Bar-le-Duc, Duke of Upper Lorraine and Mathilde (?) von Schwaben, on 4 May 1037
; Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) says m. ca 1040; Genealogics says m. 1038; Weis says m. ca 1027; Racines et Histoire says m. 4 May 1037.9,12,5,11,6,13,14
Ludwig/Louis II (?) Graf von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, im Altkirch und Pfirt died between 1073 and 1076; Genealogics, Weis and Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) say d. 1073/76.12,5,9,11
      ; Per Genealogics:
     “Ludwig was born between 1005 and 1019, the son of Ricuin/Ricwin, Graf im Scarponnois, and Hildegard von Egisheim, sister of Pope Leo IX (Bruno von Egisheim). He was count of Mömpelgard/Montbéliard, Altkirch and Pfirt/Ferrette, and through his marriage also count of Bar and lord of Mousson.
     “In 1038 Ludwig married Sofie of Lorraine, daughter of Friedrich II, duke of Upper-Lorraine, and Mathilde von Schwaben. Both of Sofie's parents had died (her father about 1027 and her mother by 1033), and in 1033 Sofie and her sister Beatrix had been taken in by their maternal aunt Gisela von Schwaben, by then wife of Emperor Konrad II. Upper-Lorraine had been entrusted to Geoffroy 'with the Beard', count of Verdun, but the emperor wanted to strengthen his influence over the house of Verdun, which was soon to show signs of unrest, and married his niece Sofie to Ludwig. This marriage brought Ludwig the county of Bar and the lordship of Mousson. He and Sofie had at least seven children, but only Thierry I (Dietrich) is recorded with progeny.
     “In 1042 Emperor Heinrich III, son of Konrad II, gave Ludwig the counties of Mömpelgard/Montbéliard, Altkirch and Pfirt/Ferrette. In 1044 he successfully fought Renaud I, comte de Bourgogne, who had rebelled against the emperor.
     “In 1047 Geoffrey 'with the Beard', count of Verdun, duke of Upper-Lorraine, rebelled against the emperor and was defeated. Upper-Lorraine was confiscated from him and given to Adalbert, Graf von Metz. After Geoffrey had killed Adalbert in battle, Upper-Lorraine was given to Adalbert's brother Gerhard von Metz. Because Ludwig's wife Sofie was the daughter of the first dukes of Lorraine, he claimed the duchy, but Emperor Heinrich IV, son of Heinrich III, ruled in favour of Thierry II, son of Gerhard von Metz. This dispute was the source of the rivalry between the counts of Bar and dukes of Lorraine, a rivalry that would not disappear until the union of two houses in 1420 with the marriage of René, duc d'Anjou, and Isabelle, duchesse de Lorraine.
     “Ludwig died between 1073 and 1076.”.9 GAV-28 EDV-27 GKJ-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 12.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: 1.2 226.9


; This is the same person as ”Louis de Montbéliard at Wikipédia (FR).15

; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “Louis II de Mousson ° ~1015/19 + un 29/08 entre 1071 et 1076 comte de Mousson, Montbéliard (Mömpelgard), Altkirch et Ferrette (Pfirt ?)
     ép. 04/05/1037 Sophie de Haute-Lorraine dite «de Mousson» comtesse de Bar, possède le patronnage de l’Abbaye de Saint-Mihiel et de ses dépendances : les châteaux de Bar, Amance et Mousson, la partie méridionale du patrimoine foncier de sa famille ° 1018/22 + 21/01 ou 06/1093 (fille de Frédéric 1er, duc de Haute-Lorraine et comte de Bar, et de Mathilde de Souabe) (1076 veuve, investit Sigefroi comme Abbé de Saint-Mihiel ; citée 1076 à propos d’une chapelle au château d’Amance hérité de son grand’père et du graf Folmar)”.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "LOUIS, son of RICHWIN Comte de Charpeigne & his wife Mathilde --- (-after 1019). A charter dated 1019, which records an agreement between Berthold Bishop of Toul and "Olricus miles", is subscribed by "Riquini comitis, Ludovicus comitis patris eius, item Ludovici filii eius, Theodorici fratris eius"[4].
     "same person as…? LOUIS ([1015]-[29 Aug 1071/1076]). This co-identity is proposed by Europäische Stammtafeln[5]. It is true that it presents no chronological difficulties, but it is not the only theory which has been proposed to explain the origin of Louis Comte de Mousson. Comte de Mousson. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comiti Montionis Ludovico" when recording his marriage[6]. The Herimanni Augiensis Chronicon records that "Ludowicus comes" expelled "Reginoldum principem, reginæ Agnetis avunculum, sed Heinrico regi inimicum" (Renaud Comte Palatin de Bourgogne) from "castellum…Mons Piligardæ" (Montbéliard/Mömpelgard)[7]. He had possessions in the south of Alsace and around Hagenau, covering the southern part of the county of Sundgau as far as Basel and including Héricourt, Belfort, Altkirch and Ferrette, as well as the château de Montbéliard temporarily[8]. "Gerardi Ducis, Othonis Marchionis, Ludovici Comitis de Montione, Renaldi Comitis Tullensis, Hamonis de Brixeio, Milonis filii Rodulphi de Gondricurte" witnessed the bull of Pope Leo IX dated 1051 which confirms the church of Saint-Diey[9]. He was in dispute with Gérard d'Alsace Duke of Lower Lotharingia in 1057 and 1063 over the inheritance of Pope Leo IX[10]. "Heinricus…rex" founded a market at "in villa Villach…in comitatu Francisci Ludewici comitis" by charter dated 8 Feb 1060[11]. "Heinricus…rex" granted property "in pagis Cletgowe et Hegowe in comitatibus Gerungi et Lodawici comitis" to "comiti Eberhardo" by charter dated 1067[12]. "Heinricus…rex" donated property "in villa Chambo in pago Einriche in comitatu Lodowici comitis" to St Suitbertsstift at Kaiserswerth by charter dated 1067[13]. He appears to have challenged the succession of Thierry Duke of Lorraine in 1070, claiming the title himself[14]. Comte Louis is last recorded 29 Aug 1071 in a declaration of his son Frederic, but died before 1076 when his widow invested Sigefroi as abbot of Saint-Mihiel[15].
     "m (1038) SOPHIE of Upper Lotharingia, daughter of FREDERIC II Duke of Upper Lotharingia & his wife Mathilde of Swabia ([1018]-21 Jan 1093). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitissa Barri…Sophia" as wife of "comiti Montionis Ludovico", specifying that she was sister of "Beatrix marchisa" but incorrectly naming "Sigefridi fratris Frederici" as their father[16]. Her share of the succession of her brother consisted of the abbey of Saint-Mihiel and its dependencies, the castles of Bar, Amance and Mousson, the southern part of her family's ancestral lands[17]. She entered into possession of these lands at the time of her marriage[18]. Pibon Bishop of Toul granted privileges to the priory of Laître sous Amance, founded by "comitissæ Sophiæ", by charter dated 1076 under which she declared the castle of Amance belonged to "Theodericus dux, comitissæ avus" who had inherited it from "comiti Folmaro in Asmantia"[19]. "Sophia…comitissa" donated Betlémont and Anseville to the abbey of Saint-Mihiel, with the consent of "filio meo Friderico…filii mei Theodorici comitis…fratrum suorum" by undated charter[20]. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "21 Jan" of "Sophia comitissa"[21]."
Med Lands cites:
[4] Gallia Christiana XIII, p. 462, quoted in Grosdidier de Matons (1921), p. 77.
[5] ES I.2 226.
[6] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, p. 784.
[7] Herimanni Augiensis Chronicon 1044, MGH SS V, p. 125.
[8] Poull (1994), pp. 69-70.
[9] Calmet, A. (1748) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome II, Preuves, col. ccxcv.
[10] Picard, B. (1707) Histoire ecclésiastique et politique de la ville et du diocèse de Toul, pp. 381-2, cited in Poull (1994), p. 70.
[11] D H IV 62, p. 81.
[12] D H IV 193, p. 249.
[13] D H IV 199, p. 256.
[14] Poull (1994), p. 71.
[15] Poull (1994), pp. 72 and 71, respectively.
[16] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, p. 784.
[17] Poull (1994), p. 32.
[18] Poull (1994), p. 69.
[19] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccxlviii, and Lesort, A. (1909) Chronique et chartes de l'abbaye de Saint-Mihiel, Mettensia 27 (Paris), no. 39, p. 153, quoted in Poull (1994), p. 20, and no. 43 and 44, pp. 166-71, cited in Poull (1994), p. 76.
[20] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccl.
[21] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XVIII 1928, p. 98.6


; Per Weis: “Sophie (or Sophia), Countess of Bar-le-Duc, d. 21 Jan. 1093; m. abt. 1040, Louis, Count of Montbéliard, d. 1073/6, son of Richwin, Count of Scarpone, by Hildegarde of Egisheim, dau. of Hugo VI, Count in Nordgau and of Egisheim, sis. of Pope Leo IX (Brandenburg I/26; ES I.2/200B, I.2/226; Parisse, cit. Gens. 21-22; ES VI/127).”.4

; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “Ct Ludwig II von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, im Altkirch und Pfirt, *ca 1019, +1073/76; m.4.5.1037 Sophie of Mousson (*1018 +21.6.1093)”.2

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “D3. Sophie, Css of Mousson, *1018, +21.6.1093; m.4.5.1037 Ludwig II von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, Altkirch und Pfirt (+1073/76)”.16

; Per Med Lands:
     "SOPHIE ([1018]-21 Jan 1093). The Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi names "duabus puellulis Sophia et Beatrice" as daughters of the son of "duce Theodorico", specifying that the empress was their amita and that she adopted them after their father died[149]. The Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium names (in order) "Beatrix…et Sophia" daughters of "iunior Frederici", specifying that Sophia married "Ludovico de Monzione comiti"[150]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitissa Barri…Sophia" as wife of "comiti Montionis Ludovico", specifying that she was sister of "Beatrix marchisa" but incorrectly naming "Sigefridi fratris Frederici" as their father[151]. Her share of the succession of her brother consisted of the abbey of Saint-Mihiel and its dependencies, the castles of Bar, Amance and Mousson, the southern part of her family's ancestral lands[152]. Her territories were threatened by Eudes II Comte de Blois, who had challenged the succession of Emperor Konrad II to the kingdom of Burgundy in 1032. Comte Eudes captured Bar 14 Nov 1037 but was defeated and killed at Commercy by the emperor's troops[153]. She entered into possession of her lands at the time of her marriage[154]. Pibon Bishop of Toul granted privileges to the priory of Laître sous Amance, founded by "comitissæ Sophiæ", by charter dated 1076 under which she declared the castle of Amance belonged to "Theodericus dux, comitissæ avus" who had inherited it from "comiti Folmaro in Asmantia"[155]. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "21 Jan" of "Sophia comitissa"[156].
     "m (1038) LOUIS de Mousson, Comte de Montbéliard, Altkirch and Ferrette, son of --- & his wife Hildegarde [im Nordgau] ([1015]-[29 Aug 1071/1076])."
Med Lands cites:
[149] Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi 32, MGH SS IV, p. 84.
[150] Laurentii Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium 2, MGH SS X, p. 492.
[151] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, p. 784.
[152] Poull (1994), p. 32.
[153] Poull (1994), pp. 30-1.
[154] Poull (1994), p. 69.
[155] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccxlviii, and Lesort, A. (1909) Chronique et chartes de l'abbaye de Saint-Mihiel, Mettensia 27 (Paris), no. 39, p. 153, quoted in Poull (1994), p. 20, and no. 43 and 44, pp. 166-71, cited in Poull (1994), p. 76.
[156] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XVIII 1928, p. 98.14


; Per Weis: “Sophie (or Sophia), Countess of Bar-le-Duc, d. 21 Jan. 1093; m. abt. 1040, Louis, Count of Montbéliard, d. 1073/6, son of Richwin, Count of Scarpone, by Hildegarde of Egisheim, dau. of Hugo VI, Count in Nordgau and of egisheim, sis. of Pope Leo IX. (Brandenburg X/26, ES I.2/200B, I.2/226; Parisse, cit. Gens. 21-22; ES VI/127).”.12 He was Comte de Montbéliard between 1042 and 1071.15 He was Comte de Ferrette between 1042 and 1071.15

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 272. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
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  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Graf Ludwig von Mousson: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331152&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 167-23, p. 158-9. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#Louisdied10731076B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ricuin|Ricwin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00426923&tree=LEO
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  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hildegard von Egisheim: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00426924&tree=LEO
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html#L2
  12. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 167-22, pp. 158-9.
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sofie of Lorraine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331153&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#Sophiedied1093
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Louis de Montbéliard: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Montb%C3%A9liard. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  16. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig von Mousson: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062441&tree=LEO
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mechtild von Mousson: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029085&tree=LEO
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrix von Mömpelgard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164899&tree=LEO
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thierry I (Dietrich): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026664&tree=LEO
  21. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#ThierryIdied1105B
  22. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00426927&tree=LEO

Sofie (?) of Haute Lorraine, Css of Mousson1,2,3,4

F, #10871, b. circa 1018, d. circa 1092
FatherFriedrich II (?) Count de Bar-le-Duc, Duke of Upper Lorraine2,5,6,3,1,4 b. c 995, d. bt 1026 - 1027
MotherMathilde (?) von Schwaben2,6,7,8,1,3,4 b. c 998, d. bt 1031 - 1032
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Sofie (?) of Haute Lorraine, Css of Mousson was born circa 1018.2,4 She married Ludwig/Louis II (?) Graf von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, im Altkirch und Pfirt, son of Ricwuin/Ricuin/Ricwin (?) Graf im Scarponnois and Hildegarde von Egisheim, on 4 May 1037
; Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) says m. ca 1040; Genealogics says m. 1038; Weis says m. ca 1027; Racines et Histoire says m. 4 May 1037.9,10,3,11,12,1,4
Sofie (?) of Haute Lorraine, Css of Mousson died circa 1092; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1 page) says d. 21 Jun 1093; Leo van de Pas says d. 1092.2,1,10
Sofie (?) of Haute Lorraine, Css of Mousson died on 21 June 1093.2,4
      ; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “Louis II de Mousson ° ~1015/19 + un 29/08 entre 1071 et 1076 comte de Mousson, Montbéliard (Mömpelgard), Altkirch et Ferrette (Pfirt ?)
     ép. 04/05/1037 Sophie de Haute-Lorraine dite «de Mousson» comtesse de Bar, possède le patronnage de l’Abbaye de Saint-Mihiel et de ses dépendances : les châteaux de Bar, Amance et Mousson, la partie méridionale du patrimoine foncier de sa famille ° 1018/22 + 21/01 ou 06/1093 (fille de Frédéric 1er, duc de Haute-Lorraine et comte de Bar, et de Mathilde de Souabe) (1076 veuve, investit Sigefroi comme Abbé de Saint-Mihiel ; citée 1076 à propos d’une chapelle au château d’Amance hérité de son grand’père et du graf Folmar)”.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "LOUIS, son of RICHWIN Comte de Charpeigne & his wife Mathilde --- (-after 1019). A charter dated 1019, which records an agreement between Berthold Bishop of Toul and "Olricus miles", is subscribed by "Riquini comitis, Ludovicus comitis patris eius, item Ludovici filii eius, Theodorici fratris eius"[4].
     "same person as…? LOUIS ([1015]-[29 Aug 1071/1076]). This co-identity is proposed by Europäische Stammtafeln[5]. It is true that it presents no chronological difficulties, but it is not the only theory which has been proposed to explain the origin of Louis Comte de Mousson. Comte de Mousson. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comiti Montionis Ludovico" when recording his marriage[6]. The Herimanni Augiensis Chronicon records that "Ludowicus comes" expelled "Reginoldum principem, reginæ Agnetis avunculum, sed Heinrico regi inimicum" (Renaud Comte Palatin de Bourgogne) from "castellum…Mons Piligardæ" (Montbéliard/Mömpelgard)[7]. He had possessions in the south of Alsace and around Hagenau, covering the southern part of the county of Sundgau as far as Basel and including Héricourt, Belfort, Altkirch and Ferrette, as well as the château de Montbéliard temporarily[8]. "Gerardi Ducis, Othonis Marchionis, Ludovici Comitis de Montione, Renaldi Comitis Tullensis, Hamonis de Brixeio, Milonis filii Rodulphi de Gondricurte" witnessed the bull of Pope Leo IX dated 1051 which confirms the church of Saint-Diey[9]. He was in dispute with Gérard d'Alsace Duke of Lower Lotharingia in 1057 and 1063 over the inheritance of Pope Leo IX[10]. "Heinricus…rex" founded a market at "in villa Villach…in comitatu Francisci Ludewici comitis" by charter dated 8 Feb 1060[11]. "Heinricus…rex" granted property "in pagis Cletgowe et Hegowe in comitatibus Gerungi et Lodawici comitis" to "comiti Eberhardo" by charter dated 1067[12]. "Heinricus…rex" donated property "in villa Chambo in pago Einriche in comitatu Lodowici comitis" to St Suitbertsstift at Kaiserswerth by charter dated 1067[13]. He appears to have challenged the succession of Thierry Duke of Lorraine in 1070, claiming the title himself[14]. Comte Louis is last recorded 29 Aug 1071 in a declaration of his son Frederic, but died before 1076 when his widow invested Sigefroi as abbot of Saint-Mihiel[15].
     "m (1038) SOPHIE of Upper Lotharingia, daughter of FREDERIC II Duke of Upper Lotharingia & his wife Mathilde of Swabia ([1018]-21 Jan 1093). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitissa Barri…Sophia" as wife of "comiti Montionis Ludovico", specifying that she was sister of "Beatrix marchisa" but incorrectly naming "Sigefridi fratris Frederici" as their father[16]. Her share of the succession of her brother consisted of the abbey of Saint-Mihiel and its dependencies, the castles of Bar, Amance and Mousson, the southern part of her family's ancestral lands[17]. She entered into possession of these lands at the time of her marriage[18]. Pibon Bishop of Toul granted privileges to the priory of Laître sous Amance, founded by "comitissæ Sophiæ", by charter dated 1076 under which she declared the castle of Amance belonged to "Theodericus dux, comitissæ avus" who had inherited it from "comiti Folmaro in Asmantia"[19]. "Sophia…comitissa" donated Betlémont and Anseville to the abbey of Saint-Mihiel, with the consent of "filio meo Friderico…filii mei Theodorici comitis…fratrum suorum" by undated charter[20]. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "21 Jan" of "Sophia comitissa"[21]."
Med Lands cites:
[4] Gallia Christiana XIII, p. 462, quoted in Grosdidier de Matons (1921), p. 77.
[5] ES I.2 226.
[6] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, p. 784.
[7] Herimanni Augiensis Chronicon 1044, MGH SS V, p. 125.
[8] Poull (1994), pp. 69-70.
[9] Calmet, A. (1748) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome II, Preuves, col. ccxcv.
[10] Picard, B. (1707) Histoire ecclésiastique et politique de la ville et du diocèse de Toul, pp. 381-2, cited in Poull (1994), p. 70.
[11] D H IV 62, p. 81.
[12] D H IV 193, p. 249.
[13] D H IV 199, p. 256.
[14] Poull (1994), p. 71.
[15] Poull (1994), pp. 72 and 71, respectively.
[16] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, p. 784.
[17] Poull (1994), p. 32.
[18] Poull (1994), p. 69.
[19] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccxlviii, and Lesort, A. (1909) Chronique et chartes de l'abbaye de Saint-Mihiel, Mettensia 27 (Paris), no. 39, p. 153, quoted in Poull (1994), p. 20, and no. 43 and 44, pp. 166-71, cited in Poull (1994), p. 76.
[20] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccl.
[21] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XVIII 1928, p. 98.12


; Per Weis: “Sophie (or Sophia), Countess of Bar-le-Duc, d. 21 Jan. 1093; m. abt. 1040, Louis, Count of Montbéliard, d. 1073/6, son of Richwin, Count of Scarpone, by Hildegarde of Egisheim, dau. of Hugo VI, Count in Nordgau and of Egisheim, sis. of Pope Leo IX (Brandenburg I/26; ES I.2/200B, I.2/226; Parisse, cit. Gens. 21-22; ES VI/127).”.13

; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “Ct Ludwig II von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, im Altkirch und Pfirt, *ca 1019, +1073/76; m.4.5.1037 Sophie of Mousson (*1018 +21.6.1093)”.14

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 12.1 GAV-26 EDV-26. Sofie (?) of Haute Lorraine, Css of Mousson was also known as Sophia (?) of Mousson, Countess of Bar-le-Duc.15,14,16

; Per Med Lands:
     "SOPHIE ([1018]-21 Jan 1093). The Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi names "duabus puellulis Sophia et Beatrice" as daughters of the son of "duce Theodorico", specifying that the empress was their amita and that she adopted them after their father died[149]. The Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium names (in order) "Beatrix…et Sophia" daughters of "iunior Frederici", specifying that Sophia married "Ludovico de Monzione comiti"[150]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitissa Barri…Sophia" as wife of "comiti Montionis Ludovico", specifying that she was sister of "Beatrix marchisa" but incorrectly naming "Sigefridi fratris Frederici" as their father[151]. Her share of the succession of her brother consisted of the abbey of Saint-Mihiel and its dependencies, the castles of Bar, Amance and Mousson, the southern part of her family's ancestral lands[152]. Her territories were threatened by Eudes II Comte de Blois, who had challenged the succession of Emperor Konrad II to the kingdom of Burgundy in 1032. Comte Eudes captured Bar 14 Nov 1037 but was defeated and killed at Commercy by the emperor's troops[153]. She entered into possession of her lands at the time of her marriage[154]. Pibon Bishop of Toul granted privileges to the priory of Laître sous Amance, founded by "comitissæ Sophiæ", by charter dated 1076 under which she declared the castle of Amance belonged to "Theodericus dux, comitissæ avus" who had inherited it from "comiti Folmaro in Asmantia"[155]. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "21 Jan" of "Sophia comitissa"[156].
     "m (1038) LOUIS de Mousson, Comte de Montbéliard, Altkirch and Ferrette, son of --- & his wife Hildegarde [im Nordgau] ([1015]-[29 Aug 1071/1076])."
Med Lands cites:
[149] Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi 32, MGH SS IV, p. 84.
[150] Laurentii Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium 2, MGH SS X, p. 492.
[151] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, p. 784.
[152] Poull (1994), p. 32.
[153] Poull (1994), pp. 30-1.
[154] Poull (1994), p. 69.
[155] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccxlviii, and Lesort, A. (1909) Chronique et chartes de l'abbaye de Saint-Mihiel, Mettensia 27 (Paris), no. 39, p. 153, quoted in Poull (1994), p. 20, and no. 43 and 44, pp. 166-71, cited in Poull (1994), p. 76.
[156] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XVIII 1928, p. 98.4


; Per Weis: “Sophie (or Sophia), Countess of Bar-le-Duc, d. 21 Jan. 1093; m. abt. 1040, Louis, Count of Montbéliard, d. 1073/6, son of Richwin, Count of Scarpone, by Hildegarde of Egisheim, dau. of Hugo VI, Count in Nordgau and of egisheim, sis. of Pope Leo IX. (Brandenburg X/26, ES I.2/200B, I.2/226; Parisse, cit. Gens. 21-22; ES VI/127).”.10

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “D3. Sophie, Css of Mousson, *1018, +21.6.1093; m.4.5.1037 Ludwig II von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard, Altkirch und Pfirt (+1073/76)”.2

Citations

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  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html#L2
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#Louisdied10731076B
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  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
  15. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 272. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
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  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thierry I (Dietrich): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026664&tree=LEO
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  22. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00426927&tree=LEO

Ricwuin/Ricuin/Ricwin (?) Graf im Scarponnois1,2,3,4

M, #10872, b. circa 990, d. after 1028
FatherLudwig/Louis I (?) de Mousson1,2,4 b. c 960, d. a 1022
Mother(?) von Lutzelburg1,2,4
ReferenceGAV29 EDV28
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Ricwuin/Ricuin/Ricwin (?) Graf im Scarponnois was born circa 990.5 He married Hildegarde von Egisheim, daughter of Hugh IV/VIII (?) Graf im Nordgau und zu Egisheim and Heilwig von Dagsburg.6,7,8,9,10,3,4

Ricwuin/Ricuin/Ricwin (?) Graf im Scarponnois died after 1028.2
     ; Per Weis: “Sophie (or Sophia), Countess of Bar-le-Duc, d. 21 Jan. 1093; m. abt. 1040, Louis, Count of Montbéliard, d. 1073/6, son of Richwin, Count of Scarpone, by Hildegarde of Egisheim, dau. of Hugo VI, Count in Nordgau and of Egisheim, sis. of Pope Leo IX (Brandenburg I/26; ES I.2/200B, I.2/226; Parisse, cit. Gens. 21-22; ES VI/127).”.6 GAV-29 EDV-28 GKJ-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 1.2 226.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "RICHWIN, son of LOUIS [I] & his wife --- ([980/90]-after 1052). "Henricus…rex" granted property "Suntheim in pago Durihin et in comitatu Riwini comitis" to the bishopric of Bamberg by charter dated 1 Nov 1007[383]. A charter dated 1019, which records an agreement between Berthold Bishop of Toul and "Olricus miles", is subscribed by "Riquini comitis, Ludovicus comitis patris eius, item Ludovici filii eius, Theodorici fratris eius"[384]. Comte de Charpeigne: Emperor Konrad II confirmed the properties of the convent of St Laurent at Dieulouard "in pago Scarpona in comitatu Richuini" by charter dated 2 May 1028[385]. Comte de Saintois. "Rainardi comitis […juniore], Conradi comitis…comite Ricuino juniore" witnessed the charter of Brunon Bishop of Toul dated 1043 which confirms the foundation of the priory of Deuilly by "Galterius de Daguliaco cum…conjugis suæ Adilæ", another version of the same document being signed by "Valtheri comitis, Rainardi comitis, Odelrici comitis, alterius Odelrici comitis…"[386]. "Richuini comitis Segintensis, Haimonis comitis…Everardi de Sorceio…Gosberti de Asperomonte…Wiselonis fratris Theoderici Virdunensis episcopi…" witnessed the charter dated 17 Oct 1052 under which Udon Bishop of Toul regulated the avouerie of the abbey of Bleurville[387].
     "m MATHILDE, daughter of ---. The Gesta Episcoporum Tullensium names "Udonis" as successor of Bruno as Bishop of Toul and "pater eius comes Riquinus ex Reubariorum regione ortus, mater Mathildis ex Alemannia…genus"[388]. She may have been Mathilde von Egisheim, daughter of Hugo [VIII] Graf im Nordgau und zu Egisheim & his wife Heilwig ---, if it is correct that her son Louis was the same person as Louis Comte de Mousson, and also if it is correct that Pope Leo IX was the maternal uncle of the latter as suggested by Picard[389]. If this is correct, Mathilde would have been one of her parents´ older children considering the probable birth date of her son Louis."
Med Lands cites:
[383] D H II 147, p. 175.
[384] Gallia Christiana XIII, p. 462, quoted in Grosdidier de Matons, M. ´Le Comté de Bar des Origines au Traité de Bruges (vers 950-1301)´, Annuaire de la Société d´Histoire et d´Archéologie de la Lorraine, Tome XXX (Bar-le-Duc, 1921), p. 77.
[385] D K II 117, p. 162.
[386] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxxii.
[387] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccviii.
[388] Gesta Episcoporum Tullensium 39, MGH SS VIII, p. 644.
[389] Picard, B. (1707) Histoire ecclésiastique et politique de la ville et du diocèse de Toul, pp. 381-2, cited in Poull (1994), p. 70.4


; Per Med Lands:
     "[MATHILDE . The Gesta Episcoporum Tullensium names "Udonis" as successor of Bruno as Bishop of Toul and "pater eius comes Riquinus ex Reubariorum regione ortus, mater Mathildis ex Alemannia…genus"[249]. The wife of Richwin may have been the daughter of Hugo [VIII], if it is correct that her son Louis was the same person as Louis Comte de Mousson, and also if it is correct that Pope Leo IX was the maternal uncle of the latter as suggested by Picard[250]. If this is correct, Mathilde would have been one of her parents´ older children considering the probable birth date of her son Louis.
     "m RICHWIN Comte de Charpeigne, son of LOUIS [I] & his wife --- ([980/90]-after 2 May 1028).]"
Med Lands cites:
[249] Gesta Episcoporum Tullensium 39, MGH SS VIII, p. 644.
[250] Picard, B. (1707) Histoire ecclésiastique et politique de la ville et du diocèse de Toul, pp. 381-2, cited in Poull (1994), p. 70.10


; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “Richwin of Scarpone, fl 1028; m.Hildegarde of Egisheim; They had a son: Ct Ludwig II von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard”.11

; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “Ricwuin de Scarponnois fl 1028
     ép. Hildegarde d’Egisheim (fille de Hugo, graf im Nordgau, et d’Heilwig von Dagsburg) (citée dans une charte avec sa fille Mathilde avant 1100 abbaye de Sainte-Croix de Woffenheim)”.8 He was living in 1028.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
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  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#MathildeMLouis
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Graf Ludwig von Mousson: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331152&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#Louisdied10731076B

Hildegarde von Egisheim1,2

F, #10873, b. circa 990
FatherHugh IV/VIII (?) Graf im Nordgau und zu Egisheim3,4,5,2,6 b. c 970, d. 1048
MotherHeilwig von Dagsburg3,4,2,6 b. c 972, d. 1046
ReferenceGAV29 EDV28
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Hildegarde von Egisheim was born circa 990.7 She married Ricwuin/Ricuin/Ricwin (?) Graf im Scarponnois, son of Ludwig/Louis I (?) de Mousson and (?) von Lutzelburg.5,8,1,2,6,9,10

     ; Per Weis: “Sophie (or Sophia), Countess of Bar-le-Duc, d. 21 Jan. 1093; m. abt. 1040, Louis, Count of Montbéliard, d. 1073/6, son of Richwin, Count of Scarpone, by Hildegarde of Egisheim, dau. of Hugo VI, Count in Nordgau and of Egisheim, sis. of Pope Leo IX (Brandenburg I/26; ES I.2/200B, I.2/226; Parisse, cit. Gens. 21-22; ES VI/127).”.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "RICHWIN, son of LOUIS [I] & his wife --- ([980/90]-after 1052). "Henricus…rex" granted property "Suntheim in pago Durihin et in comitatu Riwini comitis" to the bishopric of Bamberg by charter dated 1 Nov 1007[383]. A charter dated 1019, which records an agreement between Berthold Bishop of Toul and "Olricus miles", is subscribed by "Riquini comitis, Ludovicus comitis patris eius, item Ludovici filii eius, Theodorici fratris eius"[384]. Comte de Charpeigne: Emperor Konrad II confirmed the properties of the convent of St Laurent at Dieulouard "in pago Scarpona in comitatu Richuini" by charter dated 2 May 1028[385]. Comte de Saintois. "Rainardi comitis […juniore], Conradi comitis…comite Ricuino juniore" witnessed the charter of Brunon Bishop of Toul dated 1043 which confirms the foundation of the priory of Deuilly by "Galterius de Daguliaco cum…conjugis suæ Adilæ", another version of the same document being signed by "Valtheri comitis, Rainardi comitis, Odelrici comitis, alterius Odelrici comitis…"[386]. "Richuini comitis Segintensis, Haimonis comitis…Everardi de Sorceio…Gosberti de Asperomonte…Wiselonis fratris Theoderici Virdunensis episcopi…" witnessed the charter dated 17 Oct 1052 under which Udon Bishop of Toul regulated the avouerie of the abbey of Bleurville[387].
     "m MATHILDE, daughter of ---. The Gesta Episcoporum Tullensium names "Udonis" as successor of Bruno as Bishop of Toul and "pater eius comes Riquinus ex Reubariorum regione ortus, mater Mathildis ex Alemannia…genus"[388]. She may have been Mathilde von Egisheim, daughter of Hugo [VIII] Graf im Nordgau und zu Egisheim & his wife Heilwig ---, if it is correct that her son Louis was the same person as Louis Comte de Mousson, and also if it is correct that Pope Leo IX was the maternal uncle of the latter as suggested by Picard[389]. If this is correct, Mathilde would have been one of her parents´ older children considering the probable birth date of her son Louis."
Med Lands cites:
[383] D H II 147, p. 175.
[384] Gallia Christiana XIII, p. 462, quoted in Grosdidier de Matons, M. ´Le Comté de Bar des Origines au Traité de Bruges (vers 950-1301)´, Annuaire de la Société d´Histoire et d´Archéologie de la Lorraine, Tome XXX (Bar-le-Duc, 1921), p. 77.
[385] D K II 117, p. 162.
[386] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxxii.
[387] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccviii.
[388] Gesta Episcoporum Tullensium 39, MGH SS VIII, p. 644.
[389] Picard, B. (1707) Histoire ecclésiastique et politique de la ville et du diocèse de Toul, pp. 381-2, cited in Poull (1994), p. 70.10
Hildegarde von Egisheim was also known as Mathilde von Egisheim.6

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 1.2 226.2 GAV-29 EDV-28 GKJ-28.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “Ricwuin de Scarponnois fl 1028
     ép. Hildegarde d’Egisheim (fille de Hugo, graf im Nordgau, et d’Heilwig von Dagsburg) (citée dans une charte avec sa fille Mathilde avant 1100 abbaye de Sainte-Croix de Woffenheim)”.1

; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “Richwin of Scarpone, fl 1028; m.Hildegarde of Egisheim; They had a son: Ct Ludwig II von Mousson, Gf von Mömpelgard”.11

; Per Med Lands:
     "[MATHILDE . The Gesta Episcoporum Tullensium names "Udonis" as successor of Bruno as Bishop of Toul and "pater eius comes Riquinus ex Reubariorum regione ortus, mater Mathildis ex Alemannia…genus"[249]. The wife of Richwin may have been the daughter of Hugo [VIII], if it is correct that her son Louis was the same person as Louis Comte de Mousson, and also if it is correct that Pope Leo IX was the maternal uncle of the latter as suggested by Picard[250]. If this is correct, Mathilde would have been one of her parents´ older children considering the probable birth date of her son Louis.
     "m RICHWIN Comte de Charpeigne, son of LOUIS [I] & his wife --- ([980/90]-after 2 May 1028).]"
Med Lands cites:
[249] Gesta Episcoporum Tullensium 39, MGH SS VIII, p. 644.
[250] Picard, B. (1707) Histoire ecclésiastique et politique de la ville et du diocèse de Toul, pp. 381-2, cited in Poull (1994), p. 70.6

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hildegard von Egisheim: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00426924&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32137
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 2.
  5. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 167-23, p. 158-9. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#MathildeMLouis. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44819
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ricuin|Ricwin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00426923&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#RichwinCharpeignediedafter1028
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Graf Ludwig von Mousson: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331152&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#Louisdied10731076B

Friedrich II (?) Count de Bar-le-Duc, Duke of Upper Lorraine1,2,3,4

M, #10874, b. circa 995, d. between 1026 and 1027
FatherThierry I (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine2,5,6,7,4 b. c 965, d. bt 1027 - 1033
MotherRichildis (?) of Metz2,8,7,4 b. c 965, d. 995
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Friedrich II (?) Count de Bar-le-Duc, Duke of Upper Lorraine was born circa 995; Genealogics b. ca 995; Med Lands says b. 997/999.2,7,4 He married Mathilde (?) von Schwaben, daughter of Hermann II (?) Duke of Swabia and Gerberge/Guepa (?) de Bourgogne, in 1016
;
Her 2nd husband.9,2,10,11,7,4,12
Friedrich II (?) Count de Bar-le-Duc, Duke of Upper Lorraine died between 1026 and 1027; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1 page) says d. 1026; Genealogics says d. ca 1027; Med Lands says d. 17/18 May 1026.2,7,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 12.7

; Per Genealogics:
     “Friedrich II was born about 995, the son of Dietrich, duke of Upper-Lorraine, and his wife Richildis. He was the count of Bar and duke of Upper-Lorraine, co-reigning with his father from 1019.
     “On the death in 1024 of Emperor Heinrich II, Friedrich joined Ernst II, duke of Swabia, in revolt against the new emperor, Konrad II. However they soon made peace and recognised Konrad.
     “Friedrich married Mathilde von Schwaben, daughter of Hermann II, Herzog von Schwaben, and Gerberge de Bourgogne. Mathilde's sister had married Emperor Konrad II. Friedrich and Mathilde had three children of whom Beatrix and Sofie would have progeny.
     “Friedrich died about 1027, and was succeeded by his son Friedrich III.”.7 GAV-27 EDV-27.

; This is the same person as ”Frederick II, Duke of Upper Lorraine” at Wikipedia, as ”Frédéric II de Lorraine” at Wikipédia (FR), and as ”Friedrich II. (Bar)” at Wikipedia (DE).13,14,15

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “C1. Duke Frederick II of Upper Lorraine (1026)?, Cte of Bar, *ca 995, +1026; m.1012/13 Mathilda (*ca 998, +1043/44), dau. of Duke Hermann II of Swabia”


Per Genealogy.EU (Wetterau): “F4. Mathilde, *980, +29.7.1031; m.ca 1014 Duke Friedrich II of Upper Lorraine (*ca 995 +13.5.1028.)2"
; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE ([988]-20 Jul [1031/32]), bur Worms Cathedral). Thietmar refers to "Konrad" as son-in-law of Hermann Duke of Swabia, recording that they attacked Strasbourg together after the election of Heinrich II King of Germany in 1002[138]. Wipo names "Mahthilda de filia Chuonradi regis Burgundiæ" as mother of "iunioris Chuononis"[139]. The Alberti Milioli Notarii Regini Liber de Temporibus names "comitissam Beatricam…de Gallia…filia comitis Frederic, mater…domina Matilda", but does not give the origin of Mathilde[140]. The Annalista Saxo names "Machtildis" as sister of Gisela, wife of Emperor Konrad II, and also names her third husband[141]. The primary source which records her second marriage has not so far been identified. However, the Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi names "duabus puellulis Sophia et Beatrice" as daughters of the son of "duce Theodorico", specifying that the empress was their amita and that she adopted them after their father died[142]. She attended the Easter celebrations at Ingelheim in 1030[143]. The Liber Anniversariorum of Einsiedeln records the death in Jul of "Mechthild soror imperatricis Gislæ"[144]. "Chuonradus…Romanorum imperator augustus" donated property to the church of Worms naming "filii nostri Heinrici Regis, filie quoque nostre Beatricis" for the souls of "parentum nostrorum defunctorum atavi nostri ducis Chuonradi, avie nostre Iudithe, patris nostri Heinrici, patrui nostri ducis Chuonradi eiusque coniugis Mathildis, sororis etiam nostre Iudithe", all buried at Worms Cathedral, by charter dated 30 Jan 1034[145].
     "m firstly ([1002]) KONRAD, son of OTTO Duke of Carinthia, Graf im Nahe-, Speier-, und Wormsgau [Salier] & his wife Judith --- (-[12/15] Dec 1011).
     "m secondly ([1016]) FREDERIC of Upper Lotharingia, son of THIERRY I Duke of Upper Lotharingia [Wigeriche] & his wife Richilde [von Bliesgau] ([997/99]-17/18 May 1026). He was titled Duke during the lifetime of his father, sometimes referred to as FREDERIC II Duke of Upper Lotharingia.
     "m thirdly ESIKO Graf im Schwabengau, son of ADALBERT von Ballenstedt & his wife Hidda von der Nordmark (-[1059/60])."
Med Lands cites:
[138] Thietmar 5.12, p. 213.
[139] Wiponis, Vita Chuonradi II Imperatoris 2, MGH SS XI, p. 258.
[140] Alberti Miliolo Notarii Regini Liber de Temporibus, De Gestis comitisse Matildis suorumque antecessorum CLXI, MGH SS XXXI, p. 435.
[141] Annalista Saxo 1026.
[142] Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi 32, MGH SS IV, p. 84.
[143] Poull, G. (1994) La Maison souveraine et ducale de Bar (Nancy), p. 23.
[144] Fragmenta Libri Anniversariorum Einsiedlenses, Konstanz Necrologies, p. 212.
[145] D K II 204, p. 275.11


; Per Weis: "Mathilde of Swabia, d. bef. 1033; m. (2) Frederick II, Duke of Upper Lorraine, b. abt. 995, d. 1026, son of Thierry (dietrich) I, Duke of Upper Lorraine, by Richilde von Blieskastel, dau. of folmar, dead 993, Count in the Bliesgau. (Michel Parisse, Noblesse el Chevalerie en Lorraine Medievale (1982), 115, 354; ES VI/156).”.9 He was Duke of Upper Lorraine in 1026.2

Family

Mathilde (?) von Schwaben b. c 998, d. bt 1031 - 1032
Children

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 272. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331150&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#FredericIIdied1026. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331148&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#ThierryIdied1027B
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331150&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richildis: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331149&tree=LEO
  9. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 167-21, p. 159. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  10. [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIA.htm#Mathildedied1031
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde von Schwaben: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331029&tree=LEO
  13. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II,_Duke_of_Upper_Lorraine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  14. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Frédéric II de Lorraine: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_II_de_Lorraine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  15. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Friedrich II. (Bar): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_II._(Bar). Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  16. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sofie of Lorraine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331153&tree=LEO
  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#Sophiedied1093
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrix of Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331154&tree=LEO
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331151&tree=LEO

Mathilde (?) von Schwaben1,2

F, #10875, b. circa 998, d. between 1031 and 1032
FatherHermann II (?) Duke of Swabia3,1,2,4,5 b. 950, d. b 4 May 1003
MotherGerberge/Guepa (?) de Bourgogne1,4,6,5 b. 965, d. 7 Jul 1019
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Mathilde (?) von Schwaben was born circa 998; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1 page) says b. ca 998; Genealogics says b. ca 989; Ravilious says ca 998.7,2,4,5,8 She married Konrad I (?) Duke of Kärnten, son of Otto (?) Herzog von Kärnten; Graf im Wormsgau and Judith (?) de Bayern, in 1002
;
Her 1st husband.9,5,7,10,11 Mathilde (?) von Schwaben married Friedrich II (?) Count de Bar-le-Duc, Duke of Upper Lorraine, son of Thierry I (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine and Richildis (?) of Metz, in 1016
;
Her 2nd husband.12,2,4,5,13,14,7 Mathilde (?) von Schwaben married Esico von Ballenstedt Graf von Anhalt, Graf im Schwabengau u.im Gau Serimunt, son of Adalbert von Ballenstedt Vogt von Hagenrode und Nienburg and Hidda (?) von der Lausitz, after 1026
;
Her 3rd husband. Per Med Lands her 2nd husband d. 17/18 May 1026.15,16,17,18,19,5
Mathilde (?) von Schwaben died between 1031 and 1032; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1 page) says d. 1043/44; Leo van de Pas says d. bef 1033; Ravilious says d. 1031; Med Lands says d. Jul 1031/32; Genealogy.EU (Ascania 1) says d. 29 Jul 1032.1,2,4,5,8
Mathilde (?) von Schwaben was buried after 29 July 1032 at Cathedral of St Peter, Worms, Stadtkreis Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     20 Jul 1032
     German nobility. Oldest of the five children of Gerberga of Burgundy (niece of empress Adelheid) from her second marriage to duke Herrmann II of Swabia, and thus sister of Empress Gisela. In 1002 she married Konrad I of Carinthia. After his death she married Duke Friedrich II of Upper-Lotharingia and around 1026 Esiko of Ballenstedt. In those three marriages she gave birth to 8 children.
     Family Members
     Spouse
          Konrad I of Carinthia unknown–1011
     Children
          Beatrix of Upper Lotharingia unknown–1076
     Konrad II of Carinthia 1002–1039
     BURIAL     Cathedral of St Peter, Worms, Stadtkreis Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
     Created by: Lutetia
     Added: 29 Dec 2009
     Find a Grave Memorial 46089002.20
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "KONRAD (-12 or 15 Dec 1011, bur Worms Cathedral). Herimannus names "Counradus dux Carentani, filius Ottonis ducis fraterque Brunonis dudum papæ" when recording his death in 1012[390]. Wipo names "Hezil et Chuono…Brunone et Willihelmo" as sons of "Ottone duce Francorum"[391]. Candidate for the Imperial throne 1002. He was installed as KONRAD I Duke of Carinthia in 1004. The necrology of Fulda records the death "1011 II Id Dec" of "Cuonradus dux"[392].
     "m ([1002]) as her first husband, MATHILDE of Swabia, daughter of HERMANN II Duke of Swabia & his wife Gerberga of Upper Burgundy ([988]-29 Jul [1031/32], bur Worms cathedral). Wipo names "Mahthilda de filia Chuonradi regis Burgundiæ" as mother of "iunioris Chuononis"[393]. Thietmar refers to "Konrad" as son-in-law of Hermann Duke of Swabia, recording that they attacked Strasbourg together after the election of Heinrich II King of Germany[394]. "Chuonradus…Romanorum imperator augustus" donated property to the church of Worms naming "filii nostri Heinrici Regis, filie quoque nostre Beatricis" for the souls of "parentum nostrorum defunctorum atavi nostri ducis Chuonradi, avie nostre Iudithe, patris nostri Heinrici, patrui nostri ducis Chuonradi eiusque coniugis Mathildis, sororis etiam nostre Iudithe", all buried at Worms Cathedral, by charter dated 30 Jan 1034[395]. She married secondly Frédéric II Duke of Upper Lotharingia [Wigeriche]. The primary source which records her second marriage has not so far been identified. However, the Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi names "duabus puellulis Sophia et Beatrice" as daughters of the son of "duce Theodorico", specifying that the empress was their amita and that she adopted them after their father died[396]. The Alberti Milioli Notarii Regini Liber de Temporibus names "comitissam Beatricam…de Gallia…filia comitis Frederic, mater…domina Matilda", but does not give the origin of Mathilde[397]. She married thirdly Esiko Graf im Schwabengau [Askanier-Ballenstedt]. The Annalista Saxo names "Machtildis" sister of Gisela, wife of Emperor Konrad II, and her third husband[398]. She attended the Easter celebrations at Ingelheim in 1030[399]. The Liber Anniversariorum of Einsiedeln records the death in Jul of "Mechthild soror imperatricis Gislæ"[400]."
Med Lands cites:
[390] Herimanni Augiensis Chronicon 1012, MHG SS V, p. 119.
[391] Wiponis, Vita Chuonradi II Imperatoris 2, MGH SS XI, p. 258.
[392] Annales Necrologici Fuldenses, MGH SS XIII, p. 123.
[393] Wiponis, Vita Chuonradi II Imperatoris 2, MGH SS XI, p. 258.
[394] Thietmar 5.12, p. 213.
[395] D K II 204, p. 275.
[396] Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi 32, MGH SS IV, p. 84.
[397] Alberti Miliolo Notarii Regini Liber de Temporibus, De Gestis comitisse Matildis suorumque antecessorum CLXI, MGH SS XXXI, p. 435.
[398] Annalista Saxo 1026.
[399] Poull, G. (1994) La Maison souveraine et ducale de Bar (Presses Universitaires de Nancy), p. 23.
[400] Fragmenta Libri Anniversariorum Einsiedlenses, Konstanz Necrologies, p. 212.11


; Per Genealogy.EU (Salian): “B3. Konrad I, Duke of Carinthia (1004-11), *ca 975, +12/15.12.1011; m.1002 Mathilde of Swabia (*ca 988 +29.7.1031/32)”.21

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “C1. Duke Frederick II of Upper Lorraine (1026)?, Cte of Bar, *ca 995, +1026; m.1012/13 Mathilda (*ca 998, +1043/44), dau. of Duke Hermann II of Swabia”


Per Genealogy.EU (Wetterau): “F4. Mathilde, *980, +29.7.1031; m.ca 1014 Duke Friedrich II of Upper Lorraine (*ca 995 +13.5.1028.)2" GAV-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 59.22

; This is the same person as ”Matilda of Swabia” at Wikipedia, as ”Mathilde de Souabe” at Wikipédia (FR), and as ”Mathilde von Schwaben (Konradiner)” at Wikipedia (DE).23,24,25

; Per Genealogics:
     “Mathilde was born about 989, the daughter of Hermann II, Herzog von Schwaben, and Gerberge de Bourgogne. Her sister Gisela would marry, as her third husband, the Holy Roman Emperor Konrad II. Her sister Beatrix would marry Adalbero von Eppenstein. Her half-brothers from her mother's first marriage to Bernhard I, Graf von Werl, were Hermann II, Rudolf and Bernhard von Werl.
     “Mathilde was first married to Konrad I, Herzog von Kärnten, son of Otto, Herzog von Kärnten, Graf im Wormsgau, and his wife Judith. Her sons would not have progeny. Konrad II would eventually become duke of Carinthia, and Bruno would become bishop of Würzburg. Her daughter would marry Gerhard, Graf von Metz.
     “After the death of her first husband in 1011, Mathilde married Friedrich II, duke of Upper-Lorraine, son of Friedrich I, duke of Upper-Lorraine, and his wife Beatrix. Her daughters Beatrix and Sofie would have progeny. Her son Friedrich III would succeed his father.
     “Before her father declared himself a candidate for the German throne in 1002, Mathilde was already married to her first husband Konrad I, Herzog von Kärnten. Konrad supported his father-in-law's aspiration. After the election of Heinrich II as King of the Germans, Heinrich sharply criticised the marriage of Mathilde and Konrad for alleged consanguinity at a synod in Thionville in 1003. Despite considerable turmoil this did not give rise to divorce proceedings; their common ancestors were four generations back. After the death of Konrad I his still under age son by Mathilde, later Konrad II, was passed over by Heinrich II for the succession in Carinthia. Instead, Adalbero von Eppenstein, the husband of Mathilde's sister Beatrix, was named as duke. Konrad II would eventually succeed Adalbero as duke in 1036.
     “After her sister Gisela married Konrad II, the future emperor and nephew of Mathilde's first husband, Mathilde initially was close to them both. Her brother-in-law Konrad supported her son Konrad, albeit in vain, when he fought to become duke of Carinthia in 1019 at the Battle of Ulm. In giving his support, the elder Konrad aroused the resentment of Emperor Heinrich II and may even have had to go into exile for a time. However the alliance of the two lines of the Salians ended in 1024 when both Konrad and his father-in-law Hermann II sought the German throne. When Konrad was elected by the majority of the electoral assembly of princes at Kamba in the Rhineland, Mathilde and the nobles of Lorraine left the assembly in protest, and she continued to resist the choice of her brother-in-law. At Easter in 1025 her son Konrad also broke with Konrad, then emperor-elect, who became emperor at Easter 1027. By their rejection of him, her husband Friedrich II and her son Konrad strengthened the emperor's opponents, and Mathilde also played an active role in this.
     “At the death of Heinrich II in 1024, the bold and rebellious Mieszko II, son and heir of Boleslaw I, king of Poland, had tried to throw off his vassalage to the empire, but Emperor Konrad did not recognise him as king of Poland. Mathilde gave Mieszko II a valuable theological book _Liber de officiis divinis,_ in which she wrote a dedication 'Epistola ad Mathildis Suevae Misegonem II Poloniae Regem' together with a picture of her presenting him with the book. In her dedication Mathilde accorded to Mieszko all the honorifics of kingship. However Konrad campaigned against Poland in 1028 and forced Mieszko to make peace and return land that Boleslaw had conquered from the empire. Mieszko then submitted and swore to be Emperor Konrad's faithful vassal; he ceased to be a self-anointed king and reverted to being duke of Poland.
     “Later Mathilde seems to have become reconciled with the emperor. The source indicate that at the court day of Easter 1030 in Ingelheim she was again close to the emperor and her sister Gisela. That year Mathilde founded the abbey of St. Evre in Toul.
     “Friedrich II had died in 1027. Mathilde died on 29 July 1032, and was buried in the Cathedral of Worms. Her children from her second marriage, who were still under age at her death, were adopted and educated by Empress Gisela. The emperor commemorated Mathilde explicitly in his memorial foundation for his family in Worms.”.7 Mathilde (?) von Schwaben was also known as Mathilde (?) von Werl-Hövel.17,22 Mathilde (?) von Schwaben was also known as Maud (?) of Swabia.26

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE ([988]-20 Jul [1031/32]), bur Worms Cathedral). Thietmar refers to "Konrad" as son-in-law of Hermann Duke of Swabia, recording that they attacked Strasbourg together after the election of Heinrich II King of Germany in 1002[138]. Wipo names "Mahthilda de filia Chuonradi regis Burgundiæ" as mother of "iunioris Chuononis"[139]. The Alberti Milioli Notarii Regini Liber de Temporibus names "comitissam Beatricam…de Gallia…filia comitis Frederic, mater…domina Matilda", but does not give the origin of Mathilde[140]. The Annalista Saxo names "Machtildis" as sister of Gisela, wife of Emperor Konrad II, and also names her third husband[141]. The primary source which records her second marriage has not so far been identified. However, the Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi names "duabus puellulis Sophia et Beatrice" as daughters of the son of "duce Theodorico", specifying that the empress was their amita and that she adopted them after their father died[142]. She attended the Easter celebrations at Ingelheim in 1030[143]. The Liber Anniversariorum of Einsiedeln records the death in Jul of "Mechthild soror imperatricis Gislæ"[144]. "Chuonradus…Romanorum imperator augustus" donated property to the church of Worms naming "filii nostri Heinrici Regis, filie quoque nostre Beatricis" for the souls of "parentum nostrorum defunctorum atavi nostri ducis Chuonradi, avie nostre Iudithe, patris nostri Heinrici, patrui nostri ducis Chuonradi eiusque coniugis Mathildis, sororis etiam nostre Iudithe", all buried at Worms Cathedral, by charter dated 30 Jan 1034[145].
     "m firstly ([1002]) KONRAD, son of OTTO Duke of Carinthia, Graf im Nahe-, Speier-, und Wormsgau [Salier] & his wife Judith --- (-[12/15] Dec 1011).
     "m secondly ([1016]) FREDERIC of Upper Lotharingia, son of THIERRY I Duke of Upper Lotharingia [Wigeriche] & his wife Richilde [von Bliesgau] ([997/99]-17/18 May 1026). He was titled Duke during the lifetime of his father, sometimes referred to as FREDERIC II Duke of Upper Lotharingia.
     "m thirdly ESIKO Graf im Schwabengau, son of ADALBERT von Ballenstedt & his wife Hidda von der Nordmark (-[1059/60])."
Med Lands cites:
[138] Thietmar 5.12, p. 213.
[139] Wiponis, Vita Chuonradi II Imperatoris 2, MGH SS XI, p. 258.
[140] Alberti Miliolo Notarii Regini Liber de Temporibus, De Gestis comitisse Matildis suorumque antecessorum CLXI, MGH SS XXXI, p. 435.
[141] Annalista Saxo 1026.
[142] Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi 32, MGH SS IV, p. 84.
[143] Poull, G. (1994) La Maison souveraine et ducale de Bar (Nancy), p. 23.
[144] Fragmenta Libri Anniversariorum Einsiedlenses, Konstanz Necrologies, p. 212.
[145] D K II 204, p. 275.5


; Per Weis: "Mathilde of Swabia, d. bef. 1033; m. (2) Frederick II, Duke of Upper Lorraine, b. abt. 995, d. 1026, son of Thierry (dietrich) I, Duke of Upper Lorraine, by Richilde von Blieskastel, dau. of folmar, dead 993, Count in the Bliesgau. (Michel Parisse, Noblesse el Chevalerie en Lorraine Medievale (1982), 115, 354; ES VI/156).”.12

; Per Med Lands:
     "ESIKO von Ballenstedt (-[1059/60]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Esiko's relationship, through his mother, with the Markgrafen der Ostmark is deduced from the Annalista Saxo which names "Sigefridus, avunculus Esici comitis de Ballenstide, filius Odonis incliti marchionis"[1064]. "Heinricus…rex" donated property "quod comes Hesicho nostre consanguinitati…hereditatis Fulkmeresroth in comitatu eiusdem comitis" to the church of Naumburg by charter dated 27 Jun 1043[1065]. The precise relationship between Esiko and Heinrich III King of Germany has not been identified. Graf im Schwabengau und im Gau Serimunt. He founded the abbey of Ballenstedt. "…Hesicus comes…" witnessed the charter dated 15 Apr 1059 under which Adalbert Archbishop of Hamburg confirmed a donation to Kloster auf dem Sülberge[1066].
     "m (after 1026) as her third husband, MATHILDE of Swabia, widow firstly of KONRAD Duke of Carinthia [Salier] and secondly of FREDERIC [II] Duke of Upper Lotharingia, daughter of HERMANN II Duke of Swabia & his wife Gerberga of Upper Burgundy ([988]-20 Jul [1031/32]), bur Worms Cathedral). Thietmar refers to "Konrad" as son-in-law of Hermann Duke of Swabia, recording that they attacked Strasbourg together after the election of Heinrich II King of Germany in 1002[1067]. Wipo names "Mahthilda de filia Chuonradi regis Burgundiæ" as mother of "iunioris Chuononis"[1068]. The Alberti Milioli Notarii Regini Liber de Temporibus names "comitissam Beatricam…de Gallia…filia comitis Frederic, mater…domina Matilda", but does not give the origin of Mathilde[1069]. The Annalista Saxo names "Machtildis" as sister of Gisela, wife of Emperor Konrad II, and also names her third husband[1070]. The primary source which records her second marriage has not so far been identified. However, the Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi names "duabus puellulis Sophia et Beatrice" as daughters of the son of "duce Theodorico", specifying that the empress was their amita and that she adopted them after their father died[1071]. She attended the Easter celebrations at Ingelheim in 1030[1072]. The Liber Anniversariorum of Einsiedeln records the death in Jul of "Mechthild soror imperatricis Gislæ"[1073]. "Chuonradus…Romanorum imperator augustus" donated property to the church of Worms naming "filii nostri Heinrici Regis, filie quoque nostre Beatricis" for the souls of "parentum nostrorum defunctorum atavi nostri ducis Chuonradi, avie nostre Iudithe, patris nostri Heinrici, patrui nostri ducis Chuonradi eiusque coniugis Mathildis, sororis etiam nostre Iudithe", all buried at Worms Cathedral, by charter dated 30 Jan 1034[1074]."
Med Lands cites:
[1064] Annalista Saxo 1030.
[1065] D H III 106, p. 134.
[1066] Codex Diplomaticus Anhaltinus, Teil I, 136, p. 110.
[1067] Thietmar 5.12, p. 213.
[1068] Wiponis, Vita Chuonradi II Imperatoris 2, MGH SS XI, p. 258.
[1069] Alberti Miliolo Notarii Regini Liber de Temporibus, De Gestis comitisse Matildis suorumque antecessorum CLXI, MGH SS XXXI, p. 435.
[1070] Annalista Saxo 1026.
[1071] Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi 32, MGH SS IV, p. 84.
[1072] Poull, G. (1994) La Maison souveraine et ducale de Bar (Presses Universitaires de Nancy), p. 23.
[1073] Fragmenta Libri Anniversariorum Einsiedlenses, Konstanz Necrologies, p. 212.
[1074].27 D K II 204, p. 275.:LIND]

; Per Genealogy.EU (Ascan 1): “A1. Gf Esiko im Schwabengau u.im Gau Serimunt, founded the abbey of Ballenstedt, +ca 1060; m.Mathilde of Swabia (*ca 988 +29.7.1031/32), dau.of Hermann II of Swabia”.8

Family 1

Konrad I (?) Duke of Kärnten b. c 975, d. 12 Dec 1011
Children

Family 2

Friedrich II (?) Count de Bar-le-Duc, Duke of Upper Lorraine b. c 995, d. bt 1026 - 1027
Children

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Thierry I (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine1

M, #10876, b. circa 965, d. between 1027 and 1033
FatherFredrick I (?) Duke of Upper-Lorraine1,2,3 b. c 912, d. 18 May 978
MotherBéatrice/Beatrix (?) Princess of France1,2,4 b. bt 939 - 940, d. 23 Sep 1003
ReferenceGAV27 EDV28
Last Edited11 Aug 2020
     Thierry I (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine was born circa 965.1,2 He married Richildis (?) of Metz, daughter of Folmar III (?) Graf von Metz u. im Bliesgau and Bertha (?), circa 992.5,1,2,6,7,8

Thierry I (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine died between 1027 and 1033; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1 page) says b. 1027/33; Leo van de Pas says b. 1026/7.1,2
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: "Duke Thierry I of Upper Lorraine (?984-1027), *ca 965, +1027/33; m. Richildis von Metz (possibly dau.of Gf Folmar von Metz u.im Bliesgau) (+by 995.)1"

GAV-27 EDV-28.

; Per Genealogics:
     "Dietrich was born about 965, the son of Friedrich I, duke of Upper-Lorraine, and his wife Beatrix. His mother was the regent of Upper-Lorraine until 987. In 985 Dietrich joined the other Lorraine lords, including his cousin Godefroy 'the Prisoner', Graf von Verdun und Ardennes, in trying to repel the invasion of Lothar I, king of France. However he was captured at Verdun.
     "In 985 Dietrich married Richildis who may have been a daughter of Folmar III, Graf im Bliesgau, and Gerberga von Verdun. Of their three children, Friedrich II would have progeny. He may also have had a daughter Gisela, who married Gerhard, Graf von Metz, and had a son Gerhard, duke of Upper-Lorraine.
     "Like almost all the dukes of Lorraine until the Gallicisation of the region in the thirteenth century, Dietrich was loyal to the Holy Roman Emperors. In 1011 he aided Emperor Heinrich II 'der Heilige' in his war with Luxembourg. He was captured a second time in 1018 in combat with Burgundy, but when he was attacked by Eudes II, comte de Blois, Chartres, Troyes et Champagne, an alliance between Eudes' step-father Robert II 'le Pieux', king of France, and Emperor Heinrich II was able to stop Eudes.
     "In 1019 Dietrich associated his son Friedrich II in the government with him. He briefly opposed Emperor Konrad II, Heinrich's successor, but soon joined his supporters.
     "Dietrich died between 11 April 1026 and 12 January 1027."9



Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977, Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 173.9

; Per Med Lands:
     "THIERRY, son of FREDERIC I Duke of Upper Lotharingia & his wife Beatrix de France ([962/72]-11 Apr 1027). The Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi names "Theodoricus" son of "Frederico"[127]. "Adalberonem filium Beatricis nobilissimæ ductricis, matris Theoderici ducis" is named in the Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium[128]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "ducem Theodericum et…Alberonem episcopus" as sons of "Fridericus dux Mosellanorum" & his wife Beatrix[129]. The Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium names "Theoderici ducis Barrensis" son of "ducis Frederici et Beatrici, Hugonis Capitonis Francorum regis soror"[130]. He succeeded his father in 978 as THIERRY I Duke of Upper Lotharingia, under the regency of his mother until 987. Lothaire King of France invaded Upper Lotharingia again in 983, advancing as far as Brisach where he was forced to retreat by Swabian troops. The French king returned to Lotharingia in 985 and besieged Verdun, where in Mar 985 he captured Duke Thierry but released him in mid-985 through the intervention of the duke's mother and her brother Hugues Capet[131]. Comte Héribert I [de Vermandois] captured the château of Stenay in Lotharingia in 987. In 1011, Duke Thierry was seriously wounded in an ambush at Odernheim, captured by Friedrich Graf [im Moselgau] [Luxembourg], and taken to Metz but released in return for hostages[132]. "Heinricus…Romanorum imperator augustus" renewed the privileges of Kloster Fulda by undated charter, placed in the compilation with other charters dated 1020, witnessed by "Godifridi ducis, Berinhardi ducis, Thiederici ducis, Welphonis comitis, Cunonis comitis, Kunrati comitis, Ottonis comitis, Adilbrahtis comitis, Bobonis comitis, Friderici comitis, Bezilini comitis, Ezonis comitis palatini"[133], the order of witnesses presumably giving some idea of the relative importance of these nobles at the court of Emperor Heinrich II at the time. The necrology of Gorze records the death "III Id Apr" of "Theodericus dux"[134].
     "m (992 or before) RICHILDE, daughter of ---. Richilde is named with her husband in 992[135]. Her origin is unknown but she may have been Richilde [von Bliesgau], daughter of Folmar Graf von Bliesgau & his wife Berthe ---. This origin is suggested by the charter dated 1076 under which Pibon Bishop of Toul granted privileges to the priory of Laître sous Amance, founded by "comitissæ Sophiæ", in which she declared that the castle of Amance belonged to "Theodericus dux, comitissæ avus" who had inherited it from "comiti Folmaro in Asmantia"[136]. The reference would be explained if Folmar had been Duke Thierry's father-in-law."
Med Lands cites:
[127] Chronicon Sancti Michælis, monasterii in pago Virdunensi 9, MGH SS IV, p. 82.
[128] Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium, continuatio 5, MGH SS IV, p. 47.
[129] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 958, MGH SS XXIII, p. 767.
[130] Laurentii Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium 2, MGH SS X, p. 492.
[131] Poull (1994), p. 14.
[132] Thietmar, Book VI, chapter 52, p. 274.
[133] MGH Diplomata III, D H II 427, p. 542.
[134] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 267.
[135] Poull (1994), p. 20.
[136] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccxlviii, and Lesort, A. (1909) Chronique et chartes de l'abbaye de Saint-Mihiel, Mettensia 27 (Paris), no. 39, p. 153, quoted in Poull (1994), p. 20, and no. 43 and 44, pp. 166-71, cited in Poull (1994), p. 76.8


Reference: Weis [AR7] line 167-21.5 Thierry I (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine was also known as Dietrich I (?) Duke of Upper-Lorraine.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331148&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331147&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrix: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060849&tree=LEO
  5. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 167-21, p. 144. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richildis: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331149&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#RichildeMetzMThierryIUpperLotharingia. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#ThierryIdied1027B
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331148&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331150&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#FredericIIdied1026
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#AdelaMWaleranArlondiedbefore1032

Richildis (?) of Metz1,2

F, #10877, b. circa 965, d. 995
FatherFolmar III (?) Graf von Metz u. im Bliesgau b. c 935, d. bt 994 - 995; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1 page) says "possibly dau. of Gf Folmar von Metz u.im Bliesgau"1,3
MotherBertha (?)4 b. c 935, d. a 996
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited11 Aug 2020
     Richildis (?) of Metz was born circa 965.5 She married Thierry I (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine, son of Fredrick I (?) Duke of Upper-Lorraine and Béatrice/Beatrix (?) Princess of France, circa 992.6,1,7,2,8,9

Richildis (?) of Metz died in 995.1
     GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977, Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 173.2

; Per Med Lands: "RICHILDE . This origin is suggested by the charter dated 1076 under which Pibon Bishop of Toul granted privileges to the priory of Laître sous Amance, founded by "comitissæ Sophiæ", in which she declared that the castle of Amance belonged to "Theodericus d[ux, comitissæ avus" who had inherited it from "comiti Folmaro in Asmantia"[244]. No other primary source which confirms her parentage more precisely has yet been identified. m THIERRY I Duke of Upper Lotharingia, son of FREDERIC I Duke of Upper Lotharingia & his wife Beatrix de France ([962/72]-11 Apr 1027).]"
Med Lands cites: [244] Calmet (1748), Tome II, Preuves, col. cccxlviii, and Lesort, A. (1909) Chronique et chartes de l'abbaye de Saint-Mihiel, Mettensia 27 (Paris), no. 39, p. 153, quoted in Poull, G. (1994) La Maison souveraine et ducale de Bar (Nancy), p. 20, and no. 43 and 44, pp. 166-71, cited in Poull (1994), p. 76.8 Richildis (?) of Metz was also known as Riochilde von Bliesgau.8

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richildis: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331149&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#FolmarIIMetzdied1026A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32542
  5. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31822
  6. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 167-21, p. 144. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331148&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#RichildeMetzMThierryIUpperLotharingia
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#ThierryIdied1027B
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331150&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#FredericIIdied1026
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#AdelaMWaleranArlondiedbefore1032

Folmar III (?) Graf von Metz u. im Bliesgau1,2,3

M, #10878, b. circa 935, d. between 994 and 995
FatherFolmar (?) Graf4,1 b. c 905, d. a 950
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited28 Dec 2019
     Folmar III (?) Graf von Metz u. im Bliesgau married Bertha (?)5,3
Folmar III (?) Graf von Metz u. im Bliesgau was born circa 935.6
Folmar III (?) Graf von Metz u. im Bliesgau died between 994 and 995; Leo van de Pas says d. bef 995.7,1,3
     GAV-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.1

; Per Med Lands: "FOLMAR [III] (-[994/95]). The abbot of Gorze ratified acquisitions at “Flammereshem in Wormatie” by charter dated 14 Sep 977, subscribed by “…Folmeri comitis…”[238]. Graf im Bliesgau: "Otto…imperator augustus" made donations "in regno Lothariensi…Ernustesvuilere in pago Bliesichgoue in comitatu Volcmari comitis" to the Kloster St Gorgonius at Gorze in accordance with the last wishes of "Cunradus filius Ruodolfi quondam comitis" killed in battle with the Sarracens, by charter dated 26 Sep 982[239]. "Theodericus Dux, Folmarus Comes…" witnessed the charter dated 990 under which Hermann Bishop of Metz recorded the translation of St Clement to Metz[240]. m BERTHA, sister of BERENGAR Chorbishop of Trier, daughter of --- (-after 996). "Berta" donated property "in villa Rodena sita in pago Sarensi in comitatu Waldrauingensi" to St Ludwin in Metlach naming "defuncti coniugis mei Volkmeri" by charter dated 995 witnessed by "Wetel comes et nepos eius Wetel…"[241]. "Domna Berta, viri illustris Volcmari comitis relicta" donated property "in pago Moselensi in comitatu Waldeleuinga cui Gisilbertus comes…villa Mudenfert" to St Maximin, Trier "per manum advocati nostri comitis Henrici" naming "Beringerum fratrum suum S Treurice sedis corepiscopum" by charter dated 996 witnessed by "Friderich comes"[242]"
Med Lands cites:
[238] D´Herbomez, A. (ed.) (1898) Cartulaire de l´abbaye de Gorze, Mettensia II (Paris) ("Gorze"), 114, p. 207.
[239] D O II 280, p. 325.
[240] Calmet, A. (1748) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome II, Preuves, col. ccxliii.
[241] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 270, p. 326.
[242] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 273, p. 328.3

Family

Bertha (?) b. c 935, d. a 996
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Folmar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106516&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#FolmarIIMetzdied1026A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Folmar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106514&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bertha: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106517&tree=LEO
  6. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32109
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 167-21, p. 144. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Folmar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106518&tree=LEO

Ludolf (?)1

M, #10879
FatherAdalbert von Ballenstedt Vogt von Hagenrode und Nienburg1
MotherHidda (?) von der Lausitz1
Last Edited4 Dec 2004
      ; a monk in Corvey.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 1 page - House of Ascania: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan1.html

Enguerrand I de Fiennes seigneur de Fiennes1,2,3,4

M, #10880, b. circa 1152, d. 1189
FatherEustache II "Le Vieux" de Fiennes Baron of Fiennes5,4,3 b. bt 1126 - 1130, d. 1187
ReferenceGAV22 EDV23
Last Edited7 Sep 2020
     Enguerrand I de Fiennes seigneur de Fiennes was born circa 1152. He married Sybille (?) Dame de Tingry, daughter of Faramus/Pharamuse (?) Seigneur de Boulogne-Tingry, of Carshalton, Surrey and Maud/Mathilde (?), before 1170
;
Her 1st husband. Med Lands says m. bef 1170; Histoire et Raciens (Fiennes) says m. ca 1172.6,1,7,8,9,3,10,11,4
Enguerrand I de Fiennes seigneur de Fiennes died in 1189 at Acre, HaTzafon (Northern District), Palestine (Israel now); killed in battle; Racines et Histoire says d. in battle in 1207 or earlier in 1189 at Acre; Med Lands says d. 1218.6,1,7,12,4
     GAV-22 EDV-23. Enguerrand I de Fiennes seigneur de Fiennes was also known as Ingelram I de Fienes Seigneur de Fienes.5

; per Racines et Histoire: "Enguerrand 1er de Fiennes
° ~1152 +X 1207 (ou plus tôt en 1189 à Acre ?)
seigneur de Fiennes (succède à son frère),
croisé avec Thomas, son fils, et Philippe d’Alsace, comte de Flandres (1207) où il disparait
(donation à l’Abbaye d’Ardres de toute la dîme de la paroisse de Landréon, don confirmé par Ide, comtesse de Boulogjne en 1193 ; souscrit acte de la même confirmant à cette Abbaye le don d’une dîme de la paroisse de Calquelle par Arnoul de Halles)
ép. ~1172 Sibylle de Boulogne-Tingry
(fille ou soeur ? de Guillaume dit «Faramus» de Boulogne, seigneur de Tingry, et de Mathilde ou de Béatrix de Guines ?) (dot : fiefs dans le Boulonnais et terres dans 6 comtés anglais“.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ENGUERRAND [I] de Fiennes (-1218). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Eustacium…Engelramnum…Gillebertum …Radulphum" as the sons of "Eustacius…senex de Fielnis"[602].
     "m (before 1171) SIBYLLE de Tingry, daughter of FARAMUS de Boulogne & his wife Mathilde --- (-after 29 Sep 1223). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records that "Engelramnum", son of "Eustacius…senex de Fielnis", married "nobilem de Tingreio Sibillam, Willelmi Faramus sororem"[603]. Faramus donated the tithes of Sombres to the abbey of St Josse “cum uxore Matilda et Sibilla filia mea”, with the consent of “Matheo Boloniense comite et heredibus meis Ingeranno de Fienles et uxore eius Sibilla filia mea”, by charter dated 1171[604]. “Sibilla de Tyngria filia Farami de Bolonia, domina de Clopham” confirmed the donation of land “in Balgehem, quæ pertinebat ad manerium de Clopham” [see her father’s confirmation] to Bec Abbey by undated charter[605]. Her dowry was the manor of Mortok in Somerset, as shown by the Testa de Nevill which includes a writ of King John dated 1212 which records that "Willelmus de Fienes" held "manerium de Mortok que fuit de dominico regis de dono comitis Willelmi filii Reginaldi filii Stephani qui manerium predictum dedit [Faramo] de Bolonia pro servicio i militis" in Somerset[606]. The Testa de Nevill includes a list of landholdings in the honour of Boulogne, dated to [1217/18], which includes "Sibilla de Fenes" holding "vi milites…in Lamburne, ii milites in Fifide et Blakehall et Lacfare…"[607]. The Pipe Roll 1223 records “Sibilla de Fiednes” owing “de de Honore Bolon” in Essex/Hertfordshire[608]."
Med Lands cites:
[602] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 40, MGH SS XXIV, p. 581.
[603] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 40, MGH SS XXIV, p. 581.
[604] Round ‘Faramus of Boulogne’ (1896), p. 149 [no citation reference].
[605] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Bec Abbey, Normandy III, p. 1068.
[606] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 84.
[607] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 240.
[608] Pipe Roll 7 Henry III, p. 61.4


; Per Genealogy.EU (Boulogne): “E2. Sibyl; m.Enguerrand de Fiennes (+k.a.Acre 1189)”.13

; Per Weis (line 158A-26, p. 154): “Sibylle de Tingry, dau. and h. (she had two brothers, William and Thomas, apparently both died before her, s. p.); m. Enguerrand I de Fiennes (158B-26), seigneur de Fiennes, liv. 1197.”


Per Weis (line 158B-26, p. 154): “Enguerrand I de Fiennes (158B-26), liv. 1197, Seigneur de Fiennes, Crusader, 1207; m. Sibylle de Tingry (158A-26). (Dict. de Noblesse, VIII:39-40; West Winter, XVI.85; ES III.4/621; Wagner, Ped. & Prog., chart p. 159)."14,15

; Per Racines et Histoire (Boulogne): “Sibylle de Tingry dame of Tingry (1183/84)
     ép. Enguerrand de Fiennes +X 1189 (Acre, Palestine)”


Per Racines et Histoire (Fiennes): “Enguerrand 1er de Fiennes ° ~1152 +X 1207 (ou plus tôt, en 1189, à Acre ?) seigneur de Fiennes (succède à son frère), croisé avec Thomas, son fils, et Philippe d’Alsace, comte de Flandres (1207) où il disparait (donation à l’Abbaye d’Ardres de toute la dîme de la paroisse de Landréon, don confirmé par Ide, comtesse de Boulogjne en 1193 ; souscrit acte de la même confirmant
à cette Abbaye le don d’une dîme de la paroisse de Calquelle par Arnoul de Halles)
     ép. ~1172 Sibylle de Boulogne-Tingry (fille ou soeur ? de Guillaume dit «Faramus» de Boulogne, seigneur de Tingry, et de Mathilde ou de Béatrix de Guines ?) (dot : fiefs dans le Boulonnais et terres dans 6 comtés anglais)”.16,3

; Per Med Lands:
     "SIBYLLE de Tingry (-after 29 Sep 1223). Faramus donated the tithes of Sombres to the abbey of St Josse “cum uxore Matilda et Sibilla filia mea”, with the consent of “Matheo Boloniense comite et heredibus meis Ingeranno de Fienles et uxore eius Sibilla filia mea”, by charter dated 1171[547]. “Sibilla de Tyngria filia Farami de Bolonia, domina de Clopham” confirmed the donation of land “in Balgehem, quæ pertinebat ad manerium de Clopham” [see her father’s confirmation, above] to Bec Abbey by undated charter[548]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records that "Engelramnum", son of "Eustacius…senex de Fielnis", married "nobilem de Tingreio Sibillam, Willelmi Faramus sororem"[549]. Her dowry was the manor of Mortok in Somerset, as shown by the Testa de Nevill which includes a writ of King John dated 1212 which records that "Willelmus de Fienes" held "manerium de Mortok que fuit de dominico regis de dono comitis Willelmi filii Reginaldi filii Stephani qui manerium predictum dedit [Faramo] de Bolonia pro servicio i militis" in Somerset[550]. The Testa de Nevill includes a list of landholdings in the honour of Boulogne, dated to [1217/18], which includes "Sibilla de Fenes" holding "vi milites…in Lamburne, ii milites in Fifide et Blakehall et Lacfare…"[551]. The Pipe Roll 1223 records “Sibilla de Fiednes” owing “de de Honore Bolon” in Essex/Hertfordshire[552].
     "m (before 1171) ENGUERRAND [I] de Fiennes, son of EUSTACHE [II] Seigneur de Fiennes & his wife --- (-1218)."
Med Lands cites:
[547] Round ‘Faramus of Boulogne’ (1896), p. 149 [no citation reference].
[548] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Bec Abbey, Normandy III, p. 1068.
[549] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 40, MGH SS XXIV, p. 581.
[550] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 84.
[551] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 240.
[552] Pipe Roll 7 Henry III, p. 61.11


; Per Ravilious: “E2. Sibyl of Boulogne (or Tingry), +1212/14, m. (1) Enguerrand de Fiennes, seigneur of Fiennes (Pas de Calais) (+killed at Acre 1189); m. (2) Robert de Caieu (or Cayeu) (+after 1197)”.10
; NB: The wife of Eustache II de Fiennes and the mother of his son, Ingelram/Enguerrand, is uncertain.
     Med Lands says "The name of Eustache’s wife is not known."
     Genealogics identifies her as Anne de Dreux (no parents shown for her) and cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 190.
     Racines et Histoire (Fiennes and Sainte-Aldegonde pages) identify her as Jeanne de Sainte-Aldegonde, but show no parents for her.
Conclusion: I have chosen to show Enguerrand's mother (i.e., Eustache's wife) as unidentified. GA Vaut.17,5,18,3,19,20

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, de FIENNES 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ingelram I de Fienes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038515&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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  6. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 158A-26, p. 141. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boulogne page (Counts of Boulogne sur Mer): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/boulogne.html
  8. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 38, BOULOGNE 5.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibyl de Tingrie: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038516&tree=LEO
  10. [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#SibyldeTingryMEnguerrandFiennes
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 4.
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Boulogne page (Counts of Boulogne sur Mer): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/boulogne.html
  14. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), line 158A-26, p. 154. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  15. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, line 158B-26, p. 154.
  16. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison comtale de Boulogne, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf@#$%.
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#EustacheIIFiennesB
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Anne de Dreux: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038514&tree=LEO
  19. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Sainte-Aldegonde & Noircarmes, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Sainte-Aldegonde-Noircarmes.pdf
  20. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 4 Sep 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  21. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Fiennes.pdf: p. 3.

Sybille (?) Dame de Tingry1,2,3,4,5,6

F, #10881, d. after 1217
FatherFaramus/Pharamuse (?) Seigneur de Boulogne-Tingry, of Carshalton, Surrey2,3,7,8,9,10,11,12,6 d. bt 1183 - 1184
MotherMaud/Mathilde (?)7,13,9,10,11,12,6
ReferenceGAV22 EDV23
Last Edited7 Sep 2020
     Sybille (?) Dame de Tingry married Enguerrand I de Fiennes seigneur de Fiennes, son of Eustache II "Le Vieux" de Fiennes Baron of Fiennes, before 1170
;
Her 1st husband. Med Lands says m. bef 1170; Histoire et Raciens (Fiennes) says m. ca 1172.14,15,2,10,12,5,3,6,16 Sybille (?) Dame de Tingry married Robert de Caieu after 1189
; her 2nd husband.3
Sybille (?) Dame de Tingry died after 1217; Genealogics says d. aft 1217; Richardson says d. 1212/14; Med lands says d.l aft 29 Sep 1223.12,3,6
      ; per Racines et Histoire: "Enguerrand 1er de Fiennes
° ~1152 +X 1207 (ou plus tôt en 1189 à Acre ?)
seigneur de Fiennes (succède à son frère),
croisé avec Thomas, son fils, et Philippe d’Alsace, comte de Flandres (1207) où il disparait
(donation à l’Abbaye d’Ardres de toute la dîme de la paroisse de Landréon, don confirmé par Ide, comtesse de Boulogjne en 1193 ; souscrit acte de la même confirmant à cette Abbaye le don d’une dîme de la paroisse de Calquelle par Arnoul de Halles)
ép. ~1172 Sibylle de Boulogne-Tingry
(fille ou soeur ? de Guillaume dit «Faramus» de Boulogne, seigneur de Tingry, et de Mathilde ou de Béatrix de Guines ?) (dot : fiefs dans le Boulonnais et terres dans 6 comtés anglais“.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ENGUERRAND [I] de Fiennes (-1218). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Eustacium…Engelramnum…Gillebertum …Radulphum" as the sons of "Eustacius…senex de Fielnis"[602].
     "m (before 1171) SIBYLLE de Tingry, daughter of FARAMUS de Boulogne & his wife Mathilde --- (-after 29 Sep 1223). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records that "Engelramnum", son of "Eustacius…senex de Fielnis", married "nobilem de Tingreio Sibillam, Willelmi Faramus sororem"[603]. Faramus donated the tithes of Sombres to the abbey of St Josse “cum uxore Matilda et Sibilla filia mea”, with the consent of “Matheo Boloniense comite et heredibus meis Ingeranno de Fienles et uxore eius Sibilla filia mea”, by charter dated 1171[604]. “Sibilla de Tyngria filia Farami de Bolonia, domina de Clopham” confirmed the donation of land “in Balgehem, quæ pertinebat ad manerium de Clopham” [see her father’s confirmation] to Bec Abbey by undated charter[605]. Her dowry was the manor of Mortok in Somerset, as shown by the Testa de Nevill which includes a writ of King John dated 1212 which records that "Willelmus de Fienes" held "manerium de Mortok que fuit de dominico regis de dono comitis Willelmi filii Reginaldi filii Stephani qui manerium predictum dedit [Faramo] de Bolonia pro servicio i militis" in Somerset[606]. The Testa de Nevill includes a list of landholdings in the honour of Boulogne, dated to [1217/18], which includes "Sibilla de Fenes" holding "vi milites…in Lamburne, ii milites in Fifide et Blakehall et Lacfare…"[607]. The Pipe Roll 1223 records “Sibilla de Fiednes” owing “de de Honore Bolon” in Essex/Hertfordshire[608]."
Med Lands cites:
[602] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 40, MGH SS XXIV, p. 581.
[603] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 40, MGH SS XXIV, p. 581.
[604] Round ‘Faramus of Boulogne’ (1896), p. 149 [no citation reference].
[605] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Bec Abbey, Normandy III, p. 1068.
[606] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 84.
[607] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 240.
[608] Pipe Roll 7 Henry III, p. 61.16


Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: ]II 621.
2. An account of the families of Lennard and Barrett, 1908., Thomas Barrett-Lennard, Reference: 152.
3. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 190.12
GAV-22 EDV-23. Sybille (?) Dame de Tingry was also known as Sybil de Tingrie.17

; Per Med Lands:
     "SIBYLLE de Tingry (-after 29 Sep 1223). Faramus donated the tithes of Sombres to the abbey of St Josse “cum uxore Matilda et Sibilla filia mea”, with the consent of “Matheo Boloniense comite et heredibus meis Ingeranno de Fienles et uxore eius Sibilla filia mea”, by charter dated 1171[547]. “Sibilla de Tyngria filia Farami de Bolonia, domina de Clopham” confirmed the donation of land “in Balgehem, quæ pertinebat ad manerium de Clopham” [see her father’s confirmation, above] to Bec Abbey by undated charter[548]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records that "Engelramnum", son of "Eustacius…senex de Fielnis", married "nobilem de Tingreio Sibillam, Willelmi Faramus sororem"[549]. Her dowry was the manor of Mortok in Somerset, as shown by the Testa de Nevill which includes a writ of King John dated 1212 which records that "Willelmus de Fienes" held "manerium de Mortok que fuit de dominico regis de dono comitis Willelmi filii Reginaldi filii Stephani qui manerium predictum dedit [Faramo] de Bolonia pro servicio i militis" in Somerset[550]. The Testa de Nevill includes a list of landholdings in the honour of Boulogne, dated to [1217/18], which includes "Sibilla de Fenes" holding "vi milites…in Lamburne, ii milites in Fifide et Blakehall et Lacfare…"[551]. The Pipe Roll 1223 records “Sibilla de Fiednes” owing “de de Honore Bolon” in Essex/Hertfordshire[552].
     "m (before 1171) ENGUERRAND [I] de Fiennes, son of EUSTACHE [II] Seigneur de Fiennes & his wife --- (-1218)."
Med Lands cites:
[547] Round ‘Faramus of Boulogne’ (1896), p. 149 [no citation reference].
[548] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Bec Abbey, Normandy III, p. 1068.
[549] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 40, MGH SS XXIV, p. 581.
[550] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 84.
[551] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 240.
[552] Pipe Roll 7 Henry III, p. 61.6


; Per Ravilious: “E2. Sibyl of Boulogne (or Tingry), +1212/14, m. (1) Enguerrand de Fiennes, seigneur of Fiennes (Pas de Calais) (+killed at Acre 1189); m. (2) Robert de Caieu (or Cayeu) (+after 1197)”.3

; Per Weis (line 158A-26, p. 154): “Sibylle de Tingry, dau. and h. (she had two brothers, William and Thomas, apparently both died before her, s. p.); m. Enguerrand I de Fiennes (158B-26), seigneur de Fiennes, liv. 1197.”


Per Weis (line 158B-26, p. 154): “Enguerrand I de Fiennes (158B-26), liv. 1197, Seigneur de Fiennes, Crusader, 1207; m. Sibylle de Tingry (158A-26). (Dict. de Noblesse, VIII:39-40; West Winter, XVI.85; ES III.4/621; Wagner, Ped. & Prog., chart p. 159)."18,19

; Per Racines et Histoire (Boulogne): “Sibylle de Tingry dame of Tingry (1183/84)
     ép. Enguerrand de Fiennes +X 1189 (Acre, Palestine)”


Per Racines et Histoire (Fiennes): “Enguerrand 1er de Fiennes ° ~1152 +X 1207 (ou plus tôt, en 1189, à Acre ?) seigneur de Fiennes (succède à son frère), croisé avec Thomas, son fils, et Philippe d’Alsace, comte de Flandres (1207) où il disparait (donation à l’Abbaye d’Ardres de toute la dîme de la paroisse de Landréon, don confirmé par Ide, comtesse de Boulogjne en 1193 ; souscrit acte de la même confirmant
à cette Abbaye le don d’une dîme de la paroisse de Calquelle par Arnoul de Halles)
     ép. ~1172 Sibylle de Boulogne-Tingry (fille ou soeur ? de Guillaume dit «Faramus» de Boulogne, seigneur de Tingry, et de Mathilde ou de Béatrix de Guines ?) (dot : fiefs dans le Boulonnais et terres dans 6 comtés anglais)”.4,5

; Per Genealogy.EU (Boulogne): “E2. Sibyl; m.Enguerrand de Fiennes (+k.a.Acre 1189)”.20 She and Faramus/Pharamuse (?) Seigneur de Boulogne-Tingry, of Carshalton, Surrey were Seigneur of Tingry (Pas de Calais). Per Wikipédia (FR): "Le premier seigneur de Tingry connu s'appelle Faramus, encore vivant au début du xiie siècle. Doté d'une importante fortune, il fait de nombreuses donations aux abbayes de Saint-Josse et de Samer. À sa mort, sa fille hérite de la seigneurie de Tingry qui passe, par son mariage, dans la famille de Fiennes."21,22,23
; Per Boyer:
     "Faramus (or Pharamus) de Boulogne, "de Tingry," was an adult by 1130 and died about 1183/4. His wife was Matilda. He was in charge of Dover Castle, and of the HOnor of Peverel in Dover in 1157-1158, and held lands at Eaton in Bedfordshire and Wendover in Buckinghamshire.
Child: I. Subil, heir of Eaton, Beds; m. Enguerrand de Fiennes."10

Family 2

Robert de Caieu d. a 1197

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 38, BOULOGNE 5:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boulogne page (Counts of Boulogne sur Mer): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/boulogne.html
  3. [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison comtale de Boulogne, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf@#$%. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Fiennes & du Bois, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Fiennes.pdf
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#SibyldeTingryMEnguerrandFiennes. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison comtale de Boulogne, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pharamuse de Boulogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038517&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#Geoffreydiedafter1100
  10. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 38, BOULOGNE 5.
  11. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 158A-25, p. 154. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibyl de Tingrie: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038516&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305426&tree=LEO
  14. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 158A-26, p. 141. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  15. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 85, de FIENNES 4.
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#EnguerrandIFiennesdied1218
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibyl de Tingrie: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038516&tree=LEO
  18. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, line 158A-26, p. 154.
  19. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, line 158B-26, p. 154.
  20. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Boulogne page (Counts of Boulogne sur Mer): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/boulogne.html
  21. [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 22 June 2005.
  22. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 4.
  23. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Prince de Tingry: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_de_Tingry. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  24. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Fiennes.pdf: p. 3.

Eustache II "Le Vieux" de Fiennes Baron of Fiennes1

M, #10882, b. between 1126 and 1130, d. 1187
FatherConan (?) seigneur de Fiennes2 b. b 1059, d. a 1112
MotherAlix/Alice de Bournonville2
ReferenceGAV23 EDV24
Last Edited4 Sep 2020
     Eustache II "Le Vieux" de Fiennes Baron of Fiennes married Jeanne de Sainte-Aldegonde.3
Eustache II "Le Vieux" de Fiennes Baron of Fiennes married Anne de Dreux.4
Eustache II "Le Vieux" de Fiennes Baron of Fiennes was born between 1126 and 1130.
Eustache II "Le Vieux" de Fiennes Baron of Fiennes died in 1187.5
      ; NB: The wife of Eustache II de Fiennes and the mother of his son, Ingelram/Enguerrand, is uncertain.
     Med Lands says "The name of Eustache’s wife is not known."
     Genealogics identifies her as Anne de Dreux (no parents shown for her) and cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 190.
     Racines et Histoire (Fiennes and Sainte-Aldegonde pages) identify her as Jeanne de Sainte-Aldegonde, but show no parents for her.
Conclusion: I have chosen to show Enguerrand's mother (i.e., Eustache's wife) as unidentified. GA Vaut.6,7,4,8,9,10 GAV-23 EDV-24.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Fiennes): “Eustache II de Fiennes dit «Le Vieux» ° ~1126/30 + ~1187 baron de Fiennes (fonde l’Abbaye de Beaulieu-en-Boulonnais)
     ép. Jeanne de Sainte-Aldegonde”


Per Racines et Histoire (Sainte-Aldegonde): “? Jeanne de Sainte-Aldegonde
     ép. Eustache II de Fiennes dit «Le Vieux» ° ~1126/30 + ~1187 baron de Fiennes (fils de Conon, seigneur de Fiennes et d’ Alix de Bournonville) (fonde l’Abbaye de Beaulieu en Boulonnais)”.8,9

Family 1

Anne de Dreux

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 84-85, de FIENNES 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 84, de FIENNES 2.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Fiennes.pdf: p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Anne de Dreux: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038514&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#EustacheIIFiennesB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ingelram I de Fienes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038515&tree=LEO
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Fiennes & du Bois, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Fiennes.pdf
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Sainte-Aldegonde & Noircarmes, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Sainte-Aldegonde-Noircarmes.pdf
  10. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 4 Sep 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#EnguerrandIFiennesdied1218

Marguerite de Guines1,2

F, #10883, d. 1187
FatherArnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes2,3,4 b. a 1101, d. 1169
MotherMahaut/Maud de Saint-Omer2,5,4
Last Edited5 Jun 2020
     Marguerite de Guines married Roger I (?) Burggrave of Kortrijk and Ghent
; her 2nd husband.2 Marguerite de Guines married Eustace III "Le Jeune" de Fiennes seigneur de Fiennes, son of Eustache II "Le Vieux" de Fiennes Baron of Fiennes, circa 1148
; her 1st husband; Weis and Genealogy.EU show her married to Eustace II, but Racines et Histoire shows her to be married to Eustace III.6,2
Marguerite de Guines died in 1187; Genealogy.EU (Guines page) says d. 1222.6,1,2
Marguerite de Guines died in 1222.

Family 1

Roger I (?) Burggrave of Kortrijk and Ghent

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 84-85, de FIENNES 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174413&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#ArnoulIGentGuinesdied1169B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Saint-Omer: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174414&tree=LEO
  6. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 158A-26, p. 141. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Faramus/Pharamuse (?) Seigneur de Boulogne-Tingry, of Carshalton, Surrey1,2,3,4,5,6,7

M, #10885, d. between 1183 and 1184
FatherWilliam (?) de Boulogne, of Carshalton, Surrey8,9,6,10,4,1,3,7 b. b 1106, d. b 1130
ReferenceGAV23 EDV24
Last Edited4 Sep 2020
     Faramus/Pharamuse (?) Seigneur de Boulogne-Tingry, of Carshalton, Surrey married Maud/Mathilde (?)5,4,11,6,1,7

Faramus/Pharamuse (?) Seigneur de Boulogne-Tingry, of Carshalton, Surrey died between 1183 and 1184.1,12,6,3,13,7
     GAV-23 EDV-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 190.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 621.4

; Per Richardson: "D1. (by 1) Faramus of Boulogne (or Tingry), of Carshalton, Surrey, Martock, Somerset, etc., seigneur of Tingry (Pas de Calais), +1183/4;
     m. Maud _____
     ......E1. William of Boulogne, +before 1184
     ......E2. Sibyl of Boulogne (or Tingry), +1212/14, m. (1) Enguerrand de Fiennes."3 Faramus/Pharamuse (?) Seigneur de Boulogne-Tingry, of Carshalton, Surrey was also known as Guillaume Faramus de Tingry.14 Faramus/Pharamuse (?) Seigneur de Boulogne-Tingry, of Carshalton, Surrey was also known as Guillaume dit "Faramus" de Boulogne.5 He and Sybille (?) Dame de Tingry were Seigneur of Tingry (Pas de Calais). Per Wikipédia (FR): "Le premier seigneur de Tingry connu s'appelle Faramus, encore vivant au début du xiie siècle. Doté d'une importante fortune, il fait de nombreuses donations aux abbayes de Saint-Josse et de Samer. À sa mort, sa fille hérite de la seigneurie de Tingry qui passe, par son mariage, dans la famille de Fiennes."15,9,16

; Per Weis: “Farramus de Boulogne, Seigneur de tingry, adult by 1130, in charge of Dover Castle and of the Honour of Peveral of Dover in 1157-8, held lands at Eaton, Bedford, and Wendover, Bucks, d. abt. 1183/4; m. Maud (Matilda). (West Winter, XVI.85; ES III.4/621; LaChesnaye, Dict. de la Noblesse, VIII/39-40; Wagner, op. cit.; Bedfordshire Hist. Rec. Soc. V:211-212; Gen. Mag. 20:335-.340).”.7

; Per Genealogy.EU (Boulogne): “D1. Faramus de Boulogne, or de Tingry; m.Maud N”.2

; Per Racines et Histoire (Boulogne): “Faramus de Boulogne + 1183/84 Lord of Tingry ép. Maud”.

; Per Boyer:
     "Faramus (or Pharamus) de Boulogne, "de Tingry," was an adult by 1130 and died about 1183/4. His wife was Matilda. He was in charge of Dover Castle, and of the HOnor of Peverel in Dover in 1157-1158, and held lands at Eaton in Bedfordshire and Wendover in Buckinghamshire.
Child: I. Subil, heir of Eaton, Beds; m. Enguerrand de Fiennes."1

; Per Med Lands:
     "FARAMUS de Boulogne (-[1183/84]). The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Faram fil Will de Bolonia" in Surrey for “terre sue et ut habeat terram suam quam noverca sua tenet"[530]. “Faramus filius Willielmi Boloniæ” confirmed donation of land “in Belgehem [Balham], quæ pertinebat ad manerium de Clopham [Clapham]” to Okeburne Priory, Wiltshire [belonging to Bec] made by “Gaufridus filius comitis Eustacii de Bolonia avus meus, et Willielmus de Bolonia filius ipsius pater meus”, by undated charter consented to and witnessed by “fratres mei Eustacius et Simon. Hugo de Bosevilla et uxor eius, et filii ipsius Willielmi, et Robertus de Bosevilla, Baldvinus Richetala”[531]. Presumably this confirmation was given soon after Faramus succeeded his father as head of the family. Simeon of Durham records that "Willelmus d’Ipre homo Flandrensis, et Pharamus nepos reginæ Matildis, et iste Bononiensis" administered “familiam regis Stephani”, dated to [1141][532]. "...Pharam[o]..." witnessed the charter of King Stephen dated Christmas 1141 at Canterbury[533]. Seigneur de Tingry[534]. Emilie Amt notes that no other sources record Faramus fighting for Stephen during the civil war and suggests that he mainly supported Matilda because of their family relationship[535]. “Faramus de Bolonia” granted land held by “Wluard filius Brictrig...in Sud et in Nort...” to “Thome Pinget servienti meo” for his service by undated charter, witnessed by “...Thomas filius Farami...”[536]. Castellan of Dover castle and holder of the honour of Dover: the treaty between King Stephen and Henri Duke of Normandy, dated [Nov/Dec] 1153, includes a commitment to "servitium Faramusi, preter castra et villas de Dovre et quod ad honorem Dovre pertinet"[537]. “Pharamus” donated “terram de Piterleia” to Missenden, for the souls of “domini mei regis Henrici ert regine et puerorum suorum et...mea et uxoris mee et puerorum nostrorum”, by undated charter witnessed by “domina Matilda uxore mea...Baldwino Richetale...”[538]. Faramus donated the tithes of Sombres to the abbey of St Josse “cum uxore Matilda et Sibilla filia mea”, with the consent of “Matheo Boloniense comite et heredibus meis Ingeranno de Fienles et uxore eius Sibilla filia mea”, by charter dated 1171[539]. "Pharamo de Tingri, Balduino de Caio…" subscribed the charter dated 1172 under which Matthieu Comte de Boulogne granted revenue from fisheries to the monks of Saint-Josse-sur-mer[540]. The Pipe Rolls record that Faramus’s Buckinghamshire lands passed to his heir in [1183/84][541].
     "m MATHILDE, daughter of --- (-after 1171). “Pharamus” donated “terram de Piterleia” to Missenden, for the souls of “domini mei regis Henrici ert regine et puerorum suorum et...mea et uxoris mee et puerorum nostrorum”, by undated charter witnessed by “domina Matilda uxore mea...Baldwino Richetale...”[542]. Faramus donated the tithes of Sombres to the abbey of St Josse “cum uxore Matilda et Sibilla filia mea”, with the consent of “Matheo Boloniense comite et heredibus meis Ingeranno de Fienles et uxore eius Sibilla filia mea”, by charter dated 1171[543]. Faramus & his wife had two children (their father’s undated charter to Missenden, quoted above, which names his wife Mathilde and their (unnamed) “puerorum nostrorum” suggests that the children shown below were probably born to Faramus’s known wife):
i) WILLIAM (-before 1171). m as her first husband, BEATRIX de Guines
ii) SIBYLLE de Tingry (-after 29 Sep 1223). m (before 1171) ENGUERRAND [I] de Fiennes.

     "Faramus had [one possible illegitimate child by an unknown mistress]:
iii) [THOMAS ."

Med Lands cites:
[530] Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), Surrey, p. 50.
[531] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Okeburn Priory, Wiltshire IV, p. 1017.
[532] Symeonis Dunelmis, Vol. II, Historia Regum, p. 310.
[533] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum (1968), Vol. III, 276, p. 102.
[534] Domesday Descendants, p. 336.
[535] Amt, E. (1993) The Accession of Henry II in England (Boydell), p. 86.
[536] Round, J. H. ‘Faramus of Boulogne’, The Genealogist, n.s. Vol. XIII (1896), p. 146, quoting “Add. Chart. 23,662”.
[537] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum (1968), Vol. III, 272, p. 97.
[538] Round ‘Faramus of Boulogne’ (1896), p. 151, quoting “Missenden Cartulary (Harl. MS. 3688) fo 45”.
[539] Round ‘Faramus of Boulogne’ (1896), p. 149 [no citation reference].
[540] Haigneré ‘Chartes inédites Boulonnais’(1882-86), VI, p. 421.
[541] Amt (1993), p. 86, citing Pipe Roll 30 Hen II (1183/84), p. 112, and Pipe Roll, 31 Hen II (1184/85), p. 130.
[542] Round ‘Faramus of Boulogne’ (1896), p. 151, quoting “Missenden Cartulary (Harl. MS. 3688) fo 45”.
[543] Round ‘Faramus of Boulogne’ (1896), p. 149 [no citation reference].6

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 38, BOULOGNE 5. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boulogne page (Counts of Boulogne sur Mer): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/boulogne.html
  3. [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pharamuse de Boulogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038517&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison comtale de Boulogne, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#Geoffreydiedafter1100. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 158A-25, p. 154. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Boulogne page (Counts of Boulogne sur Mer): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/boulogne.html
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 4.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Boulogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305427&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305426&tree=LEO
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison comtale de Boulogne, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf@#$%.
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
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  16. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Prince de Tingry: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_de_Tingry. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibyl de Tingrie: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038516&tree=LEO
  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#SibyldeTingryMEnguerrandFiennes

William (?) de Boulogne, of Carshalton, Surrey1,2,3,4

M, #10887, b. before 1106, d. before 1130
FatherGeoffroi, (?) de Bouillon, bâtard de Boulogne, Lord of Carshalton4,5,6,7 b. b 1061, d. a 1100
MotherBeatrice de Mandeville8,3,4,6,7
ReferenceGAV24 EDV25
Last Edited4 Sep 2020
     William (?) de Boulogne, of Carshalton, Surrey was born before 1106.1
William (?) de Boulogne, of Carshalton, Surrey died before 1130; Genealogy.EU (Boulogne page) says d. ca 1130; Genealogics says d. bef 1130; Richardson says d. bef 1130; Med Lands says d. bef 1130.9,1,10,7,3,4,6
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 621.7

; Per Med Lands:
     "WILLIAM de Boulogne (-before 1130). His parentage is confirmed by an undated charter under which his son “Faramus filius Willielmi Boloniæ” confirmed donations to Okeburn Priory, Wiltshire by “Gaufridus filius comitis Eustacii de Bolonia avus meus, et Willielmus de Bolonia filius ipsius pater meus”[795]. He died before the 1129/30 Pipe Roll in which his son is named.
     "m firstly ---. William's first marriage is deduced from the reference to his presumed second wife as stepmother of his son.
     "m secondly --- (-after 1130). The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Faram fil Will de Bolonia" in Surrey for “terre sue et ut habeat terram suam quam noverca sua tenet"[796], which suggests that his stepmother was living at the time."
Med Lands cites:
[795] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Okeburn Priory, Wiltshire IV, p. 1017.
[796] Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), Surrey, p. 50.6
GAV-24 EDV-25. He was living in 1106.3

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 38, BOULOGNE 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Boulogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305427&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godefroy de Boulogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305429&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#Geoffreydiedafter1100. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Boulogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305427&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrix de Mandeville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305430&tree=LEO
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 158A-24, p. 140. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boulogne page (Counts of Boulogne sur Mer): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/boulogne.html
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pharamuse de Boulogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038517&tree=LEO
  12. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 38, BOULOGNE 5.
  13. [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 22 June 2005, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ
  14. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 158A-25, p. 154. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rohese de Boulogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00463742&tree=LEO

Geoffroi, (?) de Bouillon, bâtard de Boulogne, Lord of Carshalton1,2,3,4

M, #10888, b. before 1061, d. after 1100
FatherEustache II «Aux Grenons» (?) Comte de Boulogne et de Lens2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10 b. bt 1015 - 1020, d. bt 1070 - 1082
ReferenceGAV25 EDV26
Last Edited28 Jul 2020
     Geoffroi, (?) de Bouillon, bâtard de Boulogne, Lord of Carshalton was born before 1061.11 He married Beatrice de Mandeville, daughter of Geoffrey I de Mandeville and Athelaise (?), between 1084 and 1086
; Med Lands says m. 1074-1084.11,12,13,1,5,4,6,7
Geoffroi, (?) de Bouillon, bâtard de Boulogne, Lord of Carshalton died after 1100.7
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GEOFFROY [de Boulogne], illegitimate son of EUSTACHE [II] Comte de Boulogne & his mistress --- (-after 1100). His parentage is confirmed by an undated charter under which his grandson “Faramus filius Willielmi Boloniæ” confirmed donations to Okeburn Priory, Wiltshire by “Gaufridus filius comitis Eustacii de Bolonia avus meus, et Willielmus de Bolonia filius ipsius pater meus”[788]. Murray[789] suggests that Geoffrey may have been born legitimate because (1) his descendants were known as "de Boulogne", (2) he married well, and (3) he was given the first name of his father's older brother. Murray further suggests that, if this is correct, he would have been Comte Eustache's son by Godgifu of England, whose marriage may have been annulled for consanguinity, which would have resulted in the bastardisation of their children. Geoffroy was mentioned in a writ of William I King of England dated [1066/71]. Lord of Carshalton. Domesday Book records land held from “Geoffrey son of Count Eustace” in Carshalton, Surrey, adding that "Geoffrey de Mandeville gave him this land with his daughter"[790]. William I King of England confirmed the donations in Balham and Walton by "Godfrey son of Count Eustace on behalf of his wife Beatrice, with the consent of Geoffrey de Mandeville", by charter dated to [1076/84][791]. He held the manor of Coton, Cambridgeshire from his father in 1086[792]. He was in Palestine in 1100.
     "m ([1076/1084]) BEATRIX de Mandeville, daughter of GEOFFREY [I] de Mandeville & his first wife Adelais ---. William I King of England confirmed the donations in Balham and Walton by "Godfrey son of Count Eustace on behalf of his wife Beatrice, with the consent of Geoffrey de Mandeville", by charter dated to [1076/84][793]. Domesday Book records land held from “Geoffrey son of Count Eustace” in Carshalton, Surrey, adding that "Geoffrey de Mandeville gave him this land with his daughter"[794]."
Med Lands cites:
[788] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Okeburn Priory, Wiltshire IV, p. 1017.
[789] Murray (2000), p. 164.
[790] Domesday Translation, Surrey, XXV, p. 85.
[791] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum, Vol. I, 202, p. 54.
[792] Domesday Descendants, p. 412.
[793] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum (1913), Vol. I, 202, p. 54.
[794] Domesday Translation, Surrey, XXV, p. 85.7
GAV-25 EDV-26.

Reference: Weis [1992:128] line 158A-23.14

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 621.6

; Per Genealogy.EU (Boulogne sur Mer): "B5. [illegitimate] Godfrey [sic], lord of Carshalton, went on the First Crusade; m.before 1086 Beatrix de Mandeville."15

; Per Racines et HIstoire (Boulogne): "?) Geoffroi, bâtard de Boulogne + après 1100 Lord of Carshalton, seigneur du manoir de Coton, Cambridgeshire (1086, tenu de son père), croisé (1100) (cité dans une charte de Guillaume 1er d’Angleterre 1066/71)
     ép. 1076/85 Beatrix de Mandeville (fille de Geoffrey 1er de Mandeville et d’Adelais.)9"

; Genealogy.EU (Boulogne page) identifies two sons of Eustac(h)e II named Godfrey:
o     1. Godfrey of Bouillon, Duke of Lower Lorraine, leader of the First Crusade, took the title Defender of the Holy Sepulchre (1099-1100), +Palestine 1100, bur Jerusalem
o     2. [illegitimate] Godfrey, lord of Carshalton, went on the First Crusade; m.before 1086 Beatrix de Mandeville
Godfrey of Carshalton is shown as the father of William. Boyer shows William to be the sone of Bodfrey of Bouillon.12,16

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godefroy de Boulogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305429&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godefroy de Boulogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305429&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#Geoffreydiedafter1100. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eustace II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00012361&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison comtale de Boulogne, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#EustacheIIB
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 158A-23, p. 128. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boulogne page (Counts of Boulogne sur Mer): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/boulogne.html
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrix de Mandeville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305430&tree=LEO
  14. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 158A-23, p. 128: "...Domesday tenant 1086 at Carshalton, Surrey; a leader of the First Crusade, elected King of Jerusalem, but took the title Advocate of the Holy Sepulcher (as Godfrey I); succeeded by his next younger brother Baldwin, Count of Edessa, who became Baldwin I, King of Jerusalem, d. 2 Apr. 1118, surviving issue, if any, unknown."
  15. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Counts of Boulogne sur Mer: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/boulogne.html
  16. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 38, BOULOGNE 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Boulogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305427&tree=LEO

Thomas La Zouche1,2

M, #10889
FatherSir William La Zouche Knt., 1st Lord Zouche of Haryngworth1,2 b. c 21 Dec 1276, d. 11 Mar 1351/52
MotherMaud Lovel1,2 b. c 1276, d. bt 1313 - 1324
Last Edited7 Sep 2004
     Thomas La Zouche was living in 1326.2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Zouche Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html

Beatrix (?) of Lorraine1,2

F, #10890, b. circa 1020, d. 18 April 1076
FatherFriedrich II (?) Count de Bar-le-Duc, Duke of Upper Lorraine1,3,4 b. c 995, d. bt 1026 - 1027
MotherMathilde (?) von Schwaben1,4,5 b. c 998, d. bt 1031 - 1032
Last Edited11 Aug 2020
     Beatrix (?) of Lorraine was born circa 1020.6 She married Boniface I di Canossa Marquess of Tuscany between 1036 and 1040
;
Her 1st husband; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1 page) says m. ca 1037.7,2,6 Beatrix (?) of Lorraine married Godfrey IV/II "The Bearded" de Bouillon Duke of Upper & Lower Lorraine, Count of Verdun, son of Gozelo I "The Great" (?) Count of Verdun, Duke of Upper-Lorraine, Markgraf of Antwerpen and Junca (?), in 1054
;
His 2nd wife; her 2nd husband.8,1,2,6
Beatrix (?) of Lorraine died on 18 April 1076.1,2,9,6
     Reference: Genealogcs cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 12.1

; Beatrix, +1076; 1m: ca 1037 Boniface I di Canossa, Mgve of Tuscany (+1052); 2m: 1054 Duke Godfrey II of Lower Lorraine.2

; See Wikipedia article.6

; Weis [AR7] line 158A-22.10 Beatrix (?) of Lorraine was also known as Beatrice (?) of Bar.6

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrix of Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331154&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331150&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#FredericIIdied1026. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde von Schwaben: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331029&tree=LEO
  6. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_of_Lorraine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Boniface I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331155&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy 'with the Beard': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305442&tree=LEO
  9. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 14 November 2019), memorial page for Beatrix of Upper Lotharingia (unknown–18 Apr 1076), Find A Grave Memorial no. 91682053, citing Cattedrale Metropolitana Primaziale di Santa Maria, Pisa, Provincia di Pisa, Toscana, Italy ; Maintained by Lutetia (contributor 46580078), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/91682053/beatrix-of_upper_lotharingia. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  10. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 158A-22, p. 128. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.