Johanna Hamilton1

F, #55741
FatherJames Hamilton PC, 2nd Lord Hamilton, 1st Earl of Arran1 b. c 1475, d. b 22 Jul 1529
Last Edited23 Apr 2018
     Johanna Hamilton married Alexander Cuninghame 5th Earl of Glencairn, son of William Cuninghame 4th Earl of Glencairn and Katherine Borthwick, circa 26 November 1526; His 1st wife, later divorced.1,2 Johanna Hamilton and Alexander Cuninghame 5th Earl of Glencairn were divorced on 11 July 1545.2

Family

Alexander Cuninghame 5th Earl of Glencairn b. c 1510, d. 23 Dec 1574
Child

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cunynghame - Lord Kilmaurs, and Earl of Glencairn, p. 150. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alexander Cunningham, 5th Earl of Glencairn 'the Good Earl': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00112052&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.

William Cuninghame 4th Earl of Glencairn1,2

M, #55742, d. 1547
FatherCuthbert Cuninghame 3rd Earl of Glencairn1,2 d. bt 23 May 1540 - 1 May 1541
MotherMarion/Mariot Douglas1,2
Last Edited23 Apr 2018
     William Cuninghame 4th Earl of Glencairn married Margaret/Elizabeth Campbell of West Loudon; His 3rd wife.1,2 William Cuninghame 4th Earl of Glencairn married Katherine Borthwick, daughter of William Borthwick 3rd Lord Borthwick and Margaret Hay, before 10 July 1509; HIs 1st wife.3,2
William Cuninghame 4th Earl of Glencairn died in 1547.1
     Reference: van de Pas cites:
     1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. V 670
     2. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 150.2

Family 2

Child

Family 3

Katherine Borthwick
Child

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cunynghame - Lord Kilmaurs, and Earl of Glencairn, p. 150. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Cunningham, 4th Earl of Glencairn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00112054&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Katherine Borthwick: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00112055&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alexander Cunningham, 5th Earl of Glencairn 'the Good Earl': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00112052&tree=LEO

Janet Cunningham of Caprington1

F, #55743
FatherSir John Cunningham of Caprington1
MotherElizabeth Cuninghame1
Last Edited23 Apr 2018
     Janet Cunningham of Caprington married Alexander Cuninghame 5th Earl of Glencairn, son of William Cuninghame 4th Earl of Glencairn and Katherine Borthwick, on 22 January 1550; his 2nd wife, date is of contract or similar.1,2

Family

Alexander Cuninghame 5th Earl of Glencairn b. c 1510, d. 23 Dec 1574

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cunynghame - Lord Kilmaurs, and Earl of Glencairn, p. 150. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alexander Cunningham, 5th Earl of Glencairn 'the Good Earl': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00112052&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.

Sir John Cunningham of Caprington1

M, #55744
Last Edited15 May 2003
     Sir John Cunningham of Caprington married Elizabeth Cuninghame, daughter of William Cuninghame 4th Earl of Glencairn.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cunynghame - Lord Kilmaurs, and Earl of Glencairn, p. 150. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Margaret/Elizabeth Campbell of West Loudon1

F, #55745
Last Edited23 Apr 2018
     Margaret/Elizabeth Campbell of West Loudon married William Cuninghame 4th Earl of Glencairn, son of Cuthbert Cuninghame 3rd Earl of Glencairn and Marion/Mariot Douglas; His 3rd wife.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cunynghame - Lord Kilmaurs, and Earl of Glencairn, p. 150. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Cunningham, 4th Earl of Glencairn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00112054&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.

Elizabeth Cuninghame1

F, #55746
FatherWilliam Cuninghame 4th Earl of Glencairn1 d. 1547
Last Edited23 Apr 2018
     Elizabeth Cuninghame married Sir John Cunningham of Caprington.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cunynghame - Lord Kilmaurs, and Earl of Glencairn, p. 150. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

John Darcy 2nd Lord Darcy of Chiche1

M, #55749, d. 1580
FatherSir Thomas Darcy KG, 1st Baron Darcy of Chiche1,2 b. 1506, d. 28 Jun 1558
MotherElizabeth de Vere1
Last Edited15 Nov 2008
     John Darcy 2nd Lord Darcy of Chiche married Frances Rich, daughter of Richard Rich 1st Baron Rich and Elizabeth Jenks.1
John Darcy 2nd Lord Darcy of Chiche died in 1580.1

Family 2

Child

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Darcy - Barons Darcy, of Chiche, Essex, p. 157. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas Darcy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00109321&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.

Frances Rich1

F, #55750
FatherRichard Rich 1st Baron Rich1 b. c 1496, d. 12 Jun 1567
MotherElizabeth Jenks2 d. 16 Dec 1558
Last Edited15 May 2003
     Frances Rich married John Darcy 2nd Lord Darcy of Chiche, son of Sir Thomas Darcy KG, 1st Baron Darcy of Chiche and Elizabeth de Vere.1
     Frances Rich dau. of Richard, Lord Rich.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Darcy - Barons Darcy, of Chiche, Essex, p. 157. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Jenks: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062034&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.

Richard Rich 1st Baron Rich1,2

M, #55751, b. circa 1496, d. 12 June 1567
Last Edited13 Dec 2012
     Richard Rich 1st Baron Rich was born circa 1496 at Parish of St. Lawrence Jewry.2 He married Elizabeth Jenks circa 1535.2
Richard Rich 1st Baron Rich died on 12 June 1567 at Rochford, England.2
     Richard Rich 1st Baron Rich per van de Pas: [quote] Said to have been a member of Cambridge University; Barrister, J. P. Hertfordshire and Essex; a Commissioner of Sewers, Middlesex; MP for Colchester; Clerk of the Recognisances of Debt; Attorney-General of Wales and the Counties Palatine of Chester and Flint; Solicitor-General from 10 October 1533 til April 1536. According to Foss's 'Judges of England': 'In this period of two years and a half, by his intrigues, his degrading subserviency, and his bold-faced perjury, though he paved the way to worldly honours, he at the same time secured to his name the everlasting infamy that attaches to it.'

About 1535, certainly before May 1536, he married Elizabeth Jenks, daughter of a London grocer, William Jenks of Gynkes, and they became the parents of eleven children. In April 1535 he assisted at the examination of the three Carthusian monks, who were executed shortly after at Tyburn. He also helped in the judicial murders of Fisher and St. Thomas More. From 1533 to April 1536 he was Chancellor of the Court of Augmentations, which was set up by statue to deal with the confiscated estates of the lesser monasteries.

In 1536 he became MP, probably for Essex, and Speaker of the House of Commons; knighted between May and August 1536; in 1539 Groom of the Privy Chamber to meet Queen Anne of Cleves; P.C. before 10 August 1540; Treasurer of the wards against France and Scotland; in 1544 accompanied King Henry VIII to Boulogne; on 30 December 1545, M. P. for Essex; and an assistant executor of the King's will, for which King Henry VIII left him £
200.

On 16 February 1547 King Edward VI created him Baron Rich. From 23 October 1547 till 21 December 1551 he was Lord chancellor. He was also one of the 26 peers who, on 21 June 1553, subscribed for the settlement of the Croun by Edward VI on lady Jane Grey. On 24 June 1553 he was granted the honor of Rayleigh; declared for Queen Mary and was a Commissioner of claims for her Coronation, 28 August 1553.

In November 1558 he was appointed to accompany Queen Elizabeth I to London, and on 23 December 1558, a member of the Committeee to ascertain what lands were granted by the Crown under Queen Mary. On 16 December 1558 his wife died in London and was buried on 18 December at Rochford, Essex. He himself died at Rochford on 12 June 1567 and was buried at Felsted on the 8th of July. [end quote]2

Richard Rich 1st Baron Rich van de Pas cites: 1. The Complete Peerage, London, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lorde de Walden, Reference: X 774
2. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 451
3. The Lineage and Ancestry of H. R. H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: O 29665.2

Richard Rich 1st Baron Rich Lord chancellor of England.1

Family

Elizabeth Jenks d. 16 Dec 1558
Children

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Darcy - Barons Darcy, of Chiche, Essex, p. 157. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard Rich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062029&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugh Rich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062037&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary Rich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062035&tree=LEO
  5. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Peyton 16: p. 581. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  6. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Rich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062030&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Etheldreda Rich: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062039&tree=LEO

Ulick de Burgh1

M, #55753
FatherWilliam 'Athankip' de Burgh1
Mother(?) Mac Jordan1
Last Edited16 May 2003
     Ulick de Burgh ancestor of the Earls and Marquesses of Clanricarde.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 161. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Sir Edmond de Burgh1

M, #55754
FatherWilliam 'Athankip' de Burgh1
Mother(?) Mac Jordan1
Last Edited16 May 2003
     Sir Edmond de Burgh from whom the (extinct) Viscounts Bourke of Mayo, and the extant Earls of Mayo.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 161. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Richard de Burgh1

M, #55755
FatherWilliam 'Athankip' de Burgh1
Mother(?) Mac Jordan1
Last Edited16 May 2003

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 161. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Redmond de Burgh1

M, #55756
FatherWilliam 'Athankip' de Burgh1
Mother(?) Mac Jordan1
Last Edited16 May 2003
     Redmond de Burgh from whom several eminent families of Burke, in the count of Galway, have descended.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 161. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Sir Thomas de Burgh1

M, #55757
FatherWilliam 'Athankip' de Burgh1
Mother(?) Mac Jordan1
Last Edited16 May 2003
     Sir Thomas de Burgh Lord Treasurer of Ireland in 1331.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 161. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

John de Burgh1

M, #55758
FatherWilliam 'Athankip' de Burgh1
Mother(?) Mac Jordan1
Last Edited16 May 2003

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 161. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Henry de Burgh1

M, #55759
FatherWilliam 'Athankip' de Burgh1
Mother(?) Mac Jordan1
Last Edited16 May 2003

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 161. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Edmond na Feisoge de Burgh1

M, #55760
FatherRichard 'the Red' de Burgh 2nd Earl of Ulster and Connaught1 b. 1259, d. 29 Jul 1326
MotherMargaret (Margery) (?) of Guines1 b. 1262, d. 1304
Last Edited16 May 2003
     Edmond na Feisoge de Burgh died; murdered by his kinsman, Edward Bourke McWilliam.1 He married Slany O'Brien, daughter of Turlogh O'Brien Lord of Thomond.1
     Edmond na Feisoge de Burgh ancestor of the Burkes, Lords of Castle Connel and Brittas.1

Family

Slany O'Brien

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 162. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

William de Burgh1

M, #55763, d. after 1337
FatherRichard 'the Red' de Burgh 2nd Earl of Ulster and Connaught1 b. 1259, d. 29 Jul 1326
MotherMargaret (Margery) (?) of Guines1 b. 1262, d. 1304
Last Edited16 May 2003
     William de Burgh died after 1337.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 162. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Maud de Burgh1,2

F, #55764, d. 1320
FatherRichard 'the Red' de Burgh 2nd Earl of Ulster and Connaught1,2 b. 1259, d. 29 Jul 1326
MotherMargaret (Margery) (?) of Guines1,2 b. 1262, d. 1304
Last Edited19 Jan 2009
     Maud de Burgh married Gilbert de Clare 7th Earl of Gloucester & Hertford, son of Sir Gilbert de Red de Clare Knt., 6th Earl of Hertford & Gloucester and Joan d'Acre (?) Princess of England, Countess of Gloucester and Hertford, on 29 September 1308 at Waltham Abbey, Essex, England.1,2
Maud de Burgh was buried in 1320 at Tewkesbury Abbey, Gloucestershire, England.2
Maud de Burgh died in 1320.2

Family

Gilbert de Clare 7th Earl of Gloucester & Hertford b. 11 May 1291, d. 24 Jun 1314

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 162. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Montagu 6.i: p. 506. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Aveline de Burgh1

F, #55765
FatherRichard 'the Red' de Burgh 2nd Earl of Ulster and Connaught2,1 b. 1259, d. 29 Jul 1326
MotherMargaret (Margery) (?) of Guines2,1 b. 1262, d. 1304
Last Edited24 Sep 2005
     Aveline de Burgh married John Bermingham Earl of Louth between June 1308 and October 1320.2,1
     Aveline de Burgh In a message dated 19/09/2005 21:13:32 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 9/18/05 6:41:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:

<< CP Corrections John Bermingham earl of Louth (d 1329) CP originally gave the wife of John Bermingham's (earl of Louth, d 1329) as Aveline, da. of Richard (DE BURGH), 2nd EARL OF ULSTER. The Ulster page was corrected by Vol XIV where his wife is said to be possibly daughter of Arnoul III, Count of Guisnes [the ref to this correction is an article in the Geneal Mag., vol 20, 1982 pp 335-40, which I have not seen] Below is the entry from Chris Philips page extends this correction to the Earl of Louth.



Corrections to CP on Chris Philips web pages
LOUTH Volume 8, page 170:
He [John de Bermingham, earl of Louth (d. 1329)] m. between June 1308 and Oct. 1320, Aveline, da. of Richard (DE BURGH), 2nd EARL OF ULSTER [I.], by Margaret, da. of Sir John DE BURGH, of Lanvaley.

In a correction of volume 12, part 2, p.176 (Ulster) in volume 14, the identification of Margaret as a daughter of Sir John de Burgh is removed, and instead she is said to be "possibly daughter of Arnoul III, Count of Guisnes, by Alice, daughter of Enguerrand III, Lord of Coucy". >>

I'm confused by this. It appears to me that you are saying
1) CP originally gave the wife of John, Earl of Louth as Aveline dau of Richard, 2nd Earl of Ulster and instead his wife should be dau of Arnoul, Count of Guisnes.
2) Louth volume 8 states he married Aveline dau of Richard, 2nd Earl of Ulster
3) CP volume 12, says that MARGARET was the dau of Arnoul, Count of Guisnes.

In your first paragraph did you mean to say that it was Aveline's MOTHER whose parentage was incorrect?
Thanks
Will Johnson


Sorry, yes that is what I meant to say.

Adrian.1 Aveline de Burgh was also known as Catherine de Burgh.2

Citations

  1. [S1810] Adrian Channing, "Channing email 19 Sept. 2005: "Re: CP Corrections John Bermingham earl of Louth (d 1329)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Channing email 19 Sept. 2005."
  2. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 162. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

John Bermingham Earl of Louth1

M, #55766, d. 1329
Last Edited24 Sep 2005
     John Bermingham Earl of Louth married Aveline de Burgh, daughter of Richard 'the Red' de Burgh 2nd Earl of Ulster and Connaught and Margaret (Margery) (?) of Guines, between June 1308 and October 1320.1,2
John Bermingham Earl of Louth died in 1329.2
     John Bermingham Earl of Louth In a message dated 19/09/2005 21:13:32 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 9/18/05 6:41:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:

<< CP Corrections John Bermingham earl of Louth (d 1329) CP originally gave the wife of John Bermingham's (earl of Louth, d 1329) as Aveline, da. of Richard (DE BURGH), 2nd EARL OF ULSTER. The Ulster page was corrected by Vol XIV where his wife is said to be possibly daughter of Arnoul III, Count of Guisnes [the ref to this correction is an article in the Geneal Mag., vol 20, 1982 pp 335-40, which I have not seen] Below is the entry from Chris Philips page extends this correction to the Earl of Louth.



Corrections to CP on Chris Philips web pages
LOUTH Volume 8, page 170:
He [John de Bermingham, earl of Louth (d. 1329)] m. between June 1308 and Oct. 1320, Aveline, da. of Richard (DE BURGH), 2nd EARL OF ULSTER [I.], by Margaret, da. of Sir John DE BURGH, of Lanvaley.

In a correction of volume 12, part 2, p.176 (Ulster) in volume 14, the identification of Margaret as a daughter of Sir John de Burgh is removed, and instead she is said to be "possibly daughter of Arnoul III, Count of Guisnes, by Alice, daughter of Enguerrand III, Lord of Coucy". >>

I'm confused by this. It appears to me that you are saying
1) CP originally gave the wife of John, Earl of Louth as Aveline dau of Richard, 2nd Earl of Ulster and instead his wife should be dau of Arnoul, Count of Guisnes.
2) Louth volume 8 states he married Aveline dau of Richard, 2nd Earl of Ulster
3) CP volume 12, says that MARGARET was the dau of Arnoul, Count of Guisnes.

In your first paragraph did you mean to say that it was Aveline's MOTHER whose parentage was incorrect?
Thanks
Will Johnson


Sorry, yes that is what I meant to say.

Adrian.2 He was Earl of Louth.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 162. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1810] Adrian Channing, "Channing email 19 Sept. 2005: "Re: CP Corrections John Bermingham earl of Louth (d 1329)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Channing email 19 Sept. 2005."

Maurice 'the Great' Fitz Thomas 1st Earl of Desmond1,2,3,4

M, #55767, b. 1293, d. between 25 January 1355 and 1356
FatherThomas 'a Nappagh' Fitz Maurice2,5,3,4 b. c Aug 1261, d. 4 Jun 1298
MotherMargaret de Berkeley2,3,4
Last Edited17 Dec 2012
     Maurice 'the Great' Fitz Thomas 1st Earl of Desmond was born in 1293.4 He married Margaret/Katherine de Burgh, daughter of Richard 'the Red' de Burgh 2nd Earl of Ulster and Connaught and Margaret (Margery) (?) of Guines, on 16 August 1312 at Green Castle, co. Down, Ireland; his 2nd wife.6,4 Maurice 'the Great' Fitz Thomas 1st Earl of Desmond married Margaret O'Brien of Thomond, daughter of Conor O'Brien of Thomond, after 1331; his 2nd wife.2,7,8 Maurice 'the Great' Fitz Thomas 1st Earl of Desmond married Aveline Fitz Maurice, daughter of Nicholas Fitz Maurice Lord of Lixnaw, before 20 April 1344; his 3rd wife.2,4
Maurice 'the Great' Fitz Thomas 1st Earl of Desmond died between 25 January 1355 and 1356 at dublin castle, Dublin, Ireland.2,4
     He was 1st Earl of Desmond on 22 August 1329.2

Family 1

Margaret/Katherine de Burgh d. 1331

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Stafford - Barons Stafford, Earls of Stafford, Dukes of Buckingham, Barons Stafford, p. 499. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1429] Notable British Families, Notable British Families CD # 367, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Fitzgerald - Earls of Desmond, p. 204.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Berkeley 6.i: p. 97. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Morice FitzThomas: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117257&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas FitzMorice: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117255&tree=LEO
  6. [S1429] Notable British Families, Notable British Families CD # 367, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 162.
  7. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret O'Brien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117259&tree=LEO
  8. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Roos 10: pp. 612-3.
  9. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerald FitzMorice FitzGerald: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117261&tree=LEO

Margaret/Katherine de Burgh1,2

F, #55768, d. 1331
FatherRichard 'the Red' de Burgh 2nd Earl of Ulster and Connaught1,2 b. 1259, d. 29 Jul 1326
MotherMargaret (Margery) (?) of Guines1 b. 1262, d. 1304
Last Edited1 Jun 2008
     Margaret/Katherine de Burgh married Maurice 'the Great' Fitz Thomas 1st Earl of Desmond, son of Thomas 'a Nappagh' Fitz Maurice and Margaret de Berkeley, on 16 August 1312 at Green Castle, co. Down, Ireland; his 2nd wife.1,3
Margaret/Katherine de Burgh died in 1331 at Dublin, Ireland.2

Family

Maurice 'the Great' Fitz Thomas 1st Earl of Desmond b. 1293, d. bt 25 Jan 1355 - 1356

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), De Burgh - Earl of Ulster, p. 162. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1429] Notable British Families, Notable British Families CD # 367, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Fitzgerald - Earls of Desmond, p. 204.
  3. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Morice FitzThomas: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117257&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.

Agnes de Lieras1

F, #55769
Last Edited6 Mar 2004
     Agnes de Lieras married Geraud IV (?) Vicomte de Brosse, son of Bernard I de Brosse.1
     Agnes de Lieras Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 774.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Lieras: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208036&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bernard II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208037&tree=LEO

Gwladus ferch Ithel "Frenin Gwent ap Rhys1

F, #55770
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited29 Sep 2007
     Gwladus ferch Ithel "Frenin Gwent ap Rhys married Madog ap Gruffydd, son of Gruffydd Maelor ap Madog and Angharad ferch Owain Gwynedd.1
     GAV-23.

Gwladus ferch Ithel "Frenin Gwent ap Rhys Gruffudd ap Madog ap Gruffudd Maelor ap Madog (d. 7 Dec. 1269) married Emma de Audley, daughter of Henry de Audley and Bertrade de Mainwaring. His lands were hemmed in by the English marchers, and he was one of three Welsh princes who did not support Dafydd's rebellion against the English in 1244.
Madog ap Gruffudd Maelor ap Madog ap Maredudd (d. 1236) married Gwladus ferch Ithel "Frenin Gwent" ap Rhys ab Ifor ap Hywel ap Morgan Fychan ap Morgan Hir of Gwent. Their children were listed by Peter C. Bartrum as well as Jones in Cymmrodorion (1958), page 30, note 10.
Further detail is in my Medieval Welsh Ancestry of Certain Americans, pp. 9-23.
Carl Boyer.1

Citations

  1. [S2078] Carl Boyer, "Boyer email 4 June 2006: "Re: Question Regarding Wife of Madog ap Gruffudd Maelawr (d. 1236) of Powys Fadog"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Boyer email 4 June 2006."