Margery de Thwenge1

F, #67441
FatherSir John de Thwenge Knt.1 b. 1261, d. 2 Dec 1330
MotherJoan de Mauley1 d. 13 Jul 1347
Last Edited28 Jun 2006

Citations

  1. [S1766] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 29 Aug 2005 "Constable Connections - Sir Robert and his 'cousin' Edmund de Thweng"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 29 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 29 Aug 2005."

Sir Guy III Botetourte Knt., of of Ellinghall, Norfolk1

M, #67443, d. 1316
FatherGuy II Botetourte2
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Sir Guy III Botetourte Knt., of of Ellinghall, Norfolk married Ada (?)2

Sir Guy III Botetourte Knt., of of Ellinghall, Norfolk died in 1316.2
     GAV-24 GKJ-23.

Citations

  1. [S2181] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 19 Sept 2007: "Parentage of Sir John Botetourt, 1st Lord Botetourt"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 Sept 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 19 Sept 2007."
  2. [S2186] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 26 Sept 2007: "Botetourt Family Pedigree"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Sept 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 26 Sept 2007."
  3. [S1767] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 31 Aug 2005 "C.P. Addition: Further evidence of John Botetourt's parentage"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 31 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 31 Aug 2005."
  4. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Botetourt 6: p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Ada (?)1

F, #67444
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Ada (?) married Sir Guy III Botetourte Knt., of of Ellinghall, Norfolk, son of Guy II Botetourte.2

     GAV-24.

Citations

  1. [S1767] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 31 Aug 2005 "C.P. Addition: Further evidence of John Botetourt's parentage"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 31 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 31 Aug 2005."
  2. [S2186] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 26 Sept 2007: "Botetourt Family Pedigree"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Sept 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 26 Sept 2007."
  3. [S2181] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 19 Sept 2007: "Parentage of Sir John Botetourt, 1st Lord Botetourt"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 Sept 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 19 Sept 2007."
  4. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Botetourt 6: p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Roger Botetourte1

M, #67445
FatherSir Guy III Botetourte Knt., of of Ellinghall, Norfolk1,2 d. 1316
MotherAda (?)1
Last Edited7 Jan 2008
      ; In 1998 the noted author, F.N. Craig, published a brilliant article entitled "The Parentage of John Botetourt" which was published in The American Genealogist, 63 (1988) 145-153. In his article, Mr. Craig identified Sir John Botetourt, 1st Lord Botetourt (died 1324), as the son of Guy Botetourt, Knt., of Upton, Ellingham, and Kerebrook, Norfolk, by his wife, Ada. I have not restudied Mr. Craig's article, but I believe he based his identification of Sir John Botetourt's parentage on the passage of lands from Sir Guy Botetourt to Sir John Botetourt, among them the manors of Upton, Ellingham, and Kerebrook, Norfolk.

In the intervening time, I posted here on the newsgroup further
evidence which confirmed Mr. Craig's identification (see copy of my
earlier post below). I found one record in which Sir John Botetourt is
stated to have had a brother, Robert, and another record in which
Robert Botetourt, a priest, is called a son of Guy Botetourt. I also
showed that Sir John Botetourt named a daughter, Ada, presumably in
honor of his mother.

Recently I found still more evidence to confirm Mr. Craig's
identification. The Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries, 2nd
ser. 4 (1869): 200-201 has an interesting article by C.S. Perceval, in
which Mr. Perceval discusses a deed dated 1323 issued by Master Roger
Boteturte, son of Sir Guy Boteturte (described in the deed as 'nobilis
vir' [i.e., nobleman]).

Mr. Perceval adds the following statement: "Of Roger Boteturte and his
brother, Robert, who, as appears by another deed relating to this
property, had been jointly enfeoffed with him by their father, I find
no particulars."

So, once again we find a reference to Robert Botetourt, and Mr.
Perceval shows that he was the brother of Master Roger Botetourt, son
of Sir Guy Botetourt.

Given that John Botetourt had a brother, Robert, who was the son of Sir
Guy Botetourt, and given that Robert Botetourt had a brother, Roger,
who was a son of Sir Guy Botetourt, I believe that, together with the
passage of the three manors, these records provide conclusive evidence
that Sir John, Robert, and Roger Botetourt were all sons of Sir Guy
Botetourt.

Lastly, I might note that Master Roger Botetourt is called nobleman in
his deed. This suggests to me that the Botetourt family probably has
something important in their ancestry which has not yet been detected.

Comment are invited.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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COPY OF EARLIER POST

From: royalances...@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) - Find messages by
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Date: 20 Oct 2002 15:47:31 -0700

Dear Newsgroup ~

Someone wrote me this week that they were surprised to learn that John
Botetourt, Knt., lst Lord Botetourt (died 1324), was the son of Guy
Botetourt, Knt., of Upton, Ellingham, and Kerebrook, Norfolk, rather
than a bastard son of King Edward I as they previously thought was the
case. In replying back to the person, I realized I had additional
evidence in my files to support John Botetourt's correct parentage.

In the book, Records of the Wardrobe and Household, 1286-1289 (1986),
by B.F. Byerly, reference is made on pg. 258 to Robert brother of John
Botetourt. In Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers: Letters 2
(1895): 15, reference is made in 1306 to Robert son of Guy Botetourt,
a priest. I presume the same Robert Botetourt is involved in both
records. If correct, taken together, these two records would indicate
that John and Robert Botetourt were sons of Guy Botetourt.

Beyond that, I've noted in an earlier post that my research indicates
that John Botetourt, Knt., lst Lord Botetourt, had a hitherto
unnoticed daughter, Ada, who married John de St. Philibert, Knt., of
Eaton Hastings, co. Berks. The name Ada presumably derives from John
Botetourt's mother, Ada, wife of Guy Botetourt. Several immigrants
descend from Ada Botetourt, wife of John de St. Philibert.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalances...@msn.com.1

Citations

  1. [S1767] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 31 Aug 2005 "C.P. Addition: Further evidence of John Botetourt's parentage"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 31 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 31 Aug 2005."
  2. [S2186] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 26 Sept 2007: "Botetourt Family Pedigree"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Sept 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 26 Sept 2007."

Robert de Hauteville1

M, #67446, b. between 1062 and 1064, d. after May 1103
FatherRobert I "Guiscard/Weasel" de Hauteville Count then Duke of Apulia, Calabria, and Sicily, Pr of Salerno1 b. c 1015, d. 17 Jul 1085
MotherSichelgaita/Sigelgaita (?) Princess of Salerno1 b. c 1040, d. 27 Jul 1090
Last Edited3 Sep 2005
     Robert de Hauteville was born between 1062 and 1064.1
Robert de Hauteville died after May 1103.1
      ; Robert,vraisemblablement le second fils, intervient pour la première fois en
février 1076 dans une donation de son père à la cathédrale Ste-Marie de
Melfi (MENAGER, 1981a, n° 23). Il était sans doute âgé de 12 à 14 ans. Sa
dernière intervention est de mai 1103 (HOUBEN, 1985, n° 81). D¹après P.
SKINNER, 2000, p 627.1 He was living between February 1076 and May 1103.1

Citations

  1. [S1768] Thierry Stasser, "Stasser email 31 Aug 2005 "Re: Children of Robert Guiscard and Sikelgaita"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/z4ODwK98jjs/m/5BxUDWlyvxcJ) to e-mail address, 31 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Stasser email 31 Aug 2005."

Guy de Hauteville1

M, #67447, b. before 1065, d. 5 July 1108
FatherRobert I "Guiscard/Weasel" de Hauteville Count then Duke of Apulia, Calabria, and Sicily, Pr of Salerno2,3 b. c 1015, d. 17 Jul 1085
MotherSichelgaita/Sigelgaita (?) Princess of Salerno1,4 b. c 1040, d. 27 Jul 1090
Last Edited7 Sep 2020
     Guy de Hauteville was born before 1065.1
Guy de Hauteville died on 5 July 1108.1
      ; Guy, le troisième fils, naquit également avant 1065. Il n¹est documenté qu¹à partir de janvier 1082 dans un acte de ses parents en faveur de St-Orenzo de Tarente (MENAGER, 1981a, n° 40, III, p 128). Il mourut le 5 juillet 1108 (GARUFI, 1922, p 92 : III N. I. AD millesimo C. VIII. Indictione prima depositio Guidonis f. Roberti ducis).1

Citations

  1. [S1768] Thierry Stasser, "Stasser email 31 Aug 2005 "Re: Children of Robert Guiscard and Sikelgaita"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/z4ODwK98jjs/m/5BxUDWlyvxcJ) to e-mail address, 31 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Stasser email 31 Aug 2005."
  2. [S1768] Thierry Stasser, "Stasser email 31 Aug 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 31 Aug 2005, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/z4ODwK98jjs/m/5BxUDWlyvxcJ
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Guiscard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080255&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sigelgaita de Salerno: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080257&tree=LEO

Mabilia de Hauteville1

F, #67448, d. 1132
FatherRobert I "Guiscard/Weasel" de Hauteville Count then Duke of Apulia, Calabria, and Sicily, Pr of Salerno1 b. c 1015, d. 17 Jul 1085
MotherSichelgaita/Sigelgaita (?) Princess of Salerno1 b. c 1040, d. 27 Jul 1090
Last Edited13 Jul 2009
     Mabilia de Hauteville married Guillaume de Grandmesnil, son of Hugh I de Grandmesnil Count of Grentmesnil, seigneur de Brokesborne and Adelaide/Aelis de Beaumont-sur-Oise.1

Mabilia de Hauteville died in 1132.
      ; En 1081, Robert Guiscard reçut une ambassade de l¹empereur Henri IV, en
conflit avec la papauté, et qui proposait une union entre son fils Conrad,
futur roi des Romains, et une fille du duc (Le projet de mariage est révélé
par une lettre datée de mai 1081 de Grégoire VII à l¹abbé Didier du Mont
Cassin, par laquelle il se plaint que le duc ne lui envoie pas l¹aide
promise contre l¹empereur (Reg. Greg. VII, IX, 11, p 588-589 ). CHALANDON,
1907, t 1, p 247 ;COWDREY, 1983, p 147-148 ; LOUD, 2000b, p 214-215). Il ne
pouvait s¹agir que de Mabilia, car les trois aînées étaient déjà mariées et
la quatrième prisonnière à Constantinople. Guiscard toutefois déclina
l¹offre . Peu après, il maria Mabilia à Guillaume de Grandmesnil, neveu de
l¹abbé Robert de Ste-Marie de Sant¹Eufemia, et lui donna en dot quinze
châteaux en Calabre. Second fils de Hugues de Grandmesnil et d¹Adélaïde de
Beaumont sur Oise, Guillaume fit d¹abord partie de l¹entourage de Guillaume
le Conquérant, lequel le fiança à une des filles de son frère utérin Robert
de Mortain (Ord. VITAL, t 4, p 230 et 338 ). Entre 1075 et 1080 il émigra en
Italie du Sud et participa à l¹expédition de Robert Guiscard contre Durazzo
en juillet 1081 (Ord. VITAL , t 4, p 16 et 338). Son mariage avec Mabilia,
la dernière fille non mariée de Robert et Sichelgaita, le rendit maître de
quinze châteaux en Calabre, notamment dans la vallée du Crati, et les
domaines de Crotone et Oriolo. Orderic Vital place le mariage après la mort
de Guiscard, en 1088 (Ord. VITAL t 4, p 338; JAMISON, 1939, p 199 ;
MENAGER, 1975, p 316-317 ; DECAENS, 1994, p 136-137). Guillaume participa à
plusieurs expéditions de son beau-père et se trouvait à son chevet lorsqu¹il
mourut en juillet 1085 . En 1093, il se révolta contre son beau-frère Roger
et dut s¹enfuir à Constantinople . Il participa ensuite à la première
croisade avec ses frères Yves et Alberic . Il revint en Calabre où il mourut
avant janvier 1114 . Sa veuve lui survécut jusqu¹en 1132 .1

Family

Guillaume de Grandmesnil d. b Jan 1114

Citations

  1. [S1768] Thierry Stasser, "Stasser email 31 Aug 2005 "Re: Children of Robert Guiscard and Sikelgaita"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/z4ODwK98jjs/m/5BxUDWlyvxcJ) to e-mail address, 31 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Stasser email 31 Aug 2005."

Guillaume de Grandmesnil1

M, #67449, d. before January 1114
FatherHugh I de Grandmesnil Count of Grentmesnil, seigneur de Brokesborne1 b. 1030, d. 22 Feb 1098
MotherAdelaide/Aelis de Beaumont-sur-Oise1 b. c 1040, d. 11 Jul 1091
Last Edited9 Aug 2009
     Guillaume de Grandmesnil married Mabilia de Hauteville, daughter of Robert I "Guiscard/Weasel" de Hauteville Count then Duke of Apulia, Calabria, and Sicily, Pr of Salerno and Sichelgaita/Sigelgaita (?) Princess of Salerno.1

Guillaume de Grandmesnil died before January 1114.1
      ; En 1081, Robert Guiscard reçut une ambassade de l¹empereur Henri IV, en
conflit avec la papauté, et qui proposait une union entre son fils Conrad,
futur roi des Romains, et une fille du duc (Le projet de mariage est révélé
par une lettre datée de mai 1081 de Grégoire VII à l¹abbé Didier du Mont
Cassin, par laquelle il se plaint que le duc ne lui envoie pas l¹aide
promise contre l¹empereur (Reg. Greg. VII, IX, 11, p 588-589 ). CHALANDON,
1907, t 1, p 247 ;COWDREY, 1983, p 147-148 ; LOUD, 2000b, p 214-215). Il ne
pouvait s¹agir que de Mabilia, car les trois aînées étaient déjà mariées et
la quatrième prisonnière à Constantinople. Guiscard toutefois déclina
l¹offre . Peu après, il maria Mabilia à Guillaume de Grandmesnil, neveu de
l¹abbé Robert de Ste-Marie de Sant¹Eufemia, et lui donna en dot quinze
châteaux en Calabre. Second fils de Hugues de Grandmesnil et d¹Adélaïde de
Beaumont sur Oise, Guillaume fit d¹abord partie de l¹entourage de Guillaume
le Conquérant, lequel le fiança à une des filles de son frère utérin Robert
de Mortain (Ord. VITAL, t 4, p 230 et 338 ). Entre 1075 et 1080 il émigra en
Italie du Sud et participa à l¹expédition de Robert Guiscard contre Durazzo
en juillet 1081 (Ord. VITAL , t 4, p 16 et 338). Son mariage avec Mabilia,
la dernière fille non mariée de Robert et Sichelgaita, le rendit maître de
quinze châteaux en Calabre, notamment dans la vallée du Crati, et les
domaines de Crotone et Oriolo. Orderic Vital place le mariage après la mort
de Guiscard, en 1088 (Ord. VITAL t 4, p 338; JAMISON, 1939, p 199 ;
MENAGER, 1975, p 316-317 ; DECAENS, 1994, p 136-137). Guillaume participa à
plusieurs expéditions de son beau-père et se trouvait à son chevet lorsqu¹il
mourut en juillet 1085 . En 1093, il se révolta contre son beau-frère Roger
et dut s¹enfuir à Constantinople . Il participa ensuite à la première
croisade avec ses frères Yves et Alberic . Il revint en Calabre où il mourut
avant janvier 1114 . Sa veuve lui survécut jusqu¹en 1132 .1 He was Crusader in the 1st Crusade.1

Family

Mabilia de Hauteville d. 1132

Citations

  1. [S1768] Thierry Stasser, "Stasser email 31 Aug 2005 "Re: Children of Robert Guiscard and Sikelgaita"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/z4ODwK98jjs/m/5BxUDWlyvxcJ) to e-mail address, 31 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Stasser email 31 Aug 2005."

Rainard I de Toul Seigneur de Dampierre1

M, #67450, d. 1191
Last Edited26 Dec 2019
     Rainard I de Toul Seigneur de Dampierre married Euphemie (?)
;
His 1st wife.1 Rainard I de Toul Seigneur de Dampierre married Dominica (?)
;
Possibly his 2nd wife.1
Rainard I de Toul Seigneur de Dampierre died in 1191.1
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "RAINARD [I], son of HENRI de Toul & his wife --- (-[1191]). Seigneur de Dampierre [en-Astenois]. Guy Bishop of Châlons confirmed the possessions of Montier abbey, including the confirmation made by Rainard “dominus de Damperre filius Henrici” of donations made by “predecessores eius Fredericus comes et Henricus filius eius”, undated, but recorded in a bull of Pope Alexander III dated 1163[428]. “Renard comte de Dampierre et Euphémie sa femme” donated the chapel of Saint-Pierre in the castle of Dampierre to Toussaint-en-l’Ile abbey, together with part “des dîmes...de Rahericourt et Vuailemmont”, by charter dated 1170[429]. The Feoda Campanie dated [1172] includes “...Renardus Domni Petri...” in De Vitriaco et appenditiis[430]. “R. dominus Damni Petra” donated fields “sub Nigro-Loco” to Neuville-au-Temple, with the consent of “H. femine mee et filiorum meorum”, by charter dated to before 1177[431]. Comte de Dampierre [en-Astenois]. “Henri châtelain de Vitry” declared that “Gaucher d’Etrepy” had donated property to Cheminon by charter dated 1181, witnessed by “Renard comte de Dampierre, Roger de Chimai, Bertrand de Ste-Menehould...”[432]. “R. comes Domus Petri et castellanus de Vitriaco et...Heluys castellana Vitriaci” donated a serf at Vitry to Neuville-au-Temple by charter dated 1190[433].
     "m [firstly] EUPHEMIE, daughter of ---. “Renard comte de Dampierre et Euphémie sa femme” donated the chapel of Saint-Pierre in the castle of Dampierre to Toussaint-en-l’Ile abbey, together with part “des dîmes...de Rahericourt et Vuailemmont”, by charter dated 1170[434].
     "m secondly DOMINICA, daughter of ---. Barthélemy refers to an undated charter which records Rainard’s donation to Montier of “une terre située entre le sentier de Villulacurt...et le chemin de Dammartin à Epense” which names “la femme du seigneur de Dampie[rre...Dominica”[435]. This name is unusual and one possibility is that it was some sort of nickname. If that is correct, it is possible that she was the same person as Euphémie.] "
Med Lands cites:
[428] Barthélemy ‘Dampierre-en-Astenois’ (1882), p. 37 (no citation reference).
[429] Barthélemy (1861), Vol. II, Appendice, no. 59, p. 419.
[430] Longnon (1901), Tome I, Les Fiefs, 1ère Partie, p. 13.
[431] Barthélemy (1861), Vol. I, Pièces justificatives, Neuville-lèz-Chalons, 20, p. 403.
[432] Cheminon Notre-Dame, p. 57.
[433] Barthélemy (1861), Vol. I, Pièces justificatives, Neuville-lèz-Chalons, 32, p. 407.
[434] Barthélemy (1861), Vol. II, Appendice, no. 59, p. 419.
[435] Barthélemy ‘Dampierre-en-Astenois’ (1882), p. 38 (no citation reference).1

Family 1

Dominica (?)

Family 2

Euphemie (?)
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamchalons.htm#BeatriceDampierreMMathieuLorraineToul. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Euphemie (?)1

F, #67451
Last Edited26 Dec 2019
     Euphemie (?) married Rainard I de Toul Seigneur de Dampierre
;
His 1st wife.1
      ; Per Med Lands: "m [firstly] EUPHEMIE, daughter of ---. “Renard comte de Dampierre et Euphémie sa femme” donated the chapel of Saint-Pierre in the castle of Dampierre to Toussaint-en-l’Ile abbey, together with part “des dîmes...de Rahericourt et Vuailemmont”, by charter dated 1170[434]."
Med Lands cites: [434] Barthélemy (1861), Vol. II, Appendice, no. 59, p. 419.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamchalons.htm#BeatriceDampierreMMathieuLorraineToul. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Gersende (?)1

F, #67452
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Gersende (?) married Foucaud I de La Roche Seigneur de la Roche en Angoumois.1,2,3

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "FOUCAUD [I] de la Roche (-after 1037, maybe after 1047). ["Fulcaudus et mater mea et fratres mei" donated property "in pago Alienense in viccaria Santi Joannis Baptistæ in villa…Antezanis" to Saint-Jean d’Angély by charter dated to [995][1455].] Seigneur de la Roche en Angoumois. Père Anselme states that Foucaud and his children are named in a charter dated 1019 under which Guillaume Bishop of Angoulême donated the church of Saint-Bibien de Niœul to the abbey of Uzerche[1456]. "…Fulchaldi de Rocha, Guidonis filii sui, Ademari fratris eius…" signed the charter dated Aug 1019 under which "Guido et uxor mea Emma…et filii nostri Geraldus, Ademarus, Petrus" donated "ecclesiam…Sancti Bibiano…a Nioli" to Uzerche[1457]. "Fulcaldus de la Rocha et Guido et Ademarus filii ipsius Fulcodii" subscribed the charter dated 10 Sep 1019 under which Guillaume Bishop of Angoulême confirmed the same donation[1458]. "Fulcaudus de Castrum…Rocha" returned property which he had usurped to the abbey of Saint-Cybard d’Angoulême, with the consent of "Jarsande" his wife, by charter dated 1026[1459]. "Fulcaudus" donated property at "Rabaut" to Saint-Jean d’Angély by charter dated 1037[1460]. ["...Fucaudi de Rupe..." subscribed the charter dated 1047 under which "Goffredus comes et uxor mea Agnes" founded Notre-Dame de Saintes and donated numerous properties[1461]. It is not certain whether the subscriber was Foucaud [I] de la Roche or his son Foucaud.]
     "m GERSENDE, daughter of --- (-after 1026). "Fulcaudus de Castrum…Rocha" returned property which he had usurped to the abbey of Saint-Cybard d’Angoulême, with the consent of "Jarsande" his wife, by charter dated 1026[1462]."
Med Lands cites:
[1455] Cartulaire de Saint-Jean d'Angély, Archives historiques de la Saintonge et de l'Aunis Tome XXX (Paris, Saintes, 1901) ("Saint-Jean d’Angély"), XLVII, p. 74.
[1456] Père Anselme, Tome IV, p. 419, which cites no primary source.
[1457] Uzerche, 61, p. 110.
[1458] Uzerche, 63, p. 112.
[1459] Père Anselme, Tome IV, p. 419, which cites no primary source.
[1460] Père Anselme, Tome IV, p. 419, which cites no primary source. This charter is not in the cartulary "Saint-Jean d’Angély".
[1461] Saintes Notre-Dame, I, p. 1.
[1462] Père Anselme, Tome IV, p. 419, which cites no primary source.3
GAV-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 10:29.1 Gersende (?) was living in 1026.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gersende: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050845&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Foucaud I de La Roche: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050844&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANGOULEME.htm#_Toc518630926. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gui I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050846&tree=LEO

Hermann III (?) Duke of Swabia1

M, #67453, b. before 995, d. 1012
FatherHermann II (?) Duke of Swabia1 b. 950, d. b 4 May 1003
MotherGerberge/Guepa (?) de Bourgogne1,2 b. 965, d. 7 Jul 1019
Last Edited16 Jan 2020
     Hermann III (?) Duke of Swabia was born before 995.1
Hermann III (?) Duke of Swabia died in 1012.1

Citations

  1. [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberge de Bourgogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120358&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf1,2

M, #67454
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited29 Aug 2020
     Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf married Gerberge van Julich, daughter of 'Duke' Godefroy van Julich Count Palatine, Lord of Julich and Ermentrudis (?).2

     GAV-28. Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf was living in 987.2

Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf was listed as a resident in Sanford Humphrey and Jane Primm's household in the census report on 18 July 1860 at Stafford Court House, Stafford Co., Virginia, USA; p. 891, lines 21-27, dewlling 555, family 5587
21 HUMPHREY, Sanford 47 [1813] M Farmer $1000 $4000 VA
22 " , Jane 51 [1809] F VA
23 " , Joseph 17 [1843] M Farmer VA
24 " , Kitty 15 [1845] F VA
25 " , John 13 [1847] M VA
26 " , James 12 [1848]M VA
27 " , Susan 10 [1850] F VA.3

Citations

  1. [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, graaf Megingoz 'the Brown': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726529&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S5337] 1860 Federal Census, 1860 Census VA Stafford Co Stafford Court House, Year: 1860; Census Place: Stafford, Virginia; Roll: M653_1375; Page: 891; Family History Library Film: 805375 accessed 29 Jan 2022
    Info: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7667&h=34119829
    Image: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/7667/images/4298870_00361?usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&pId=34119829

Gerberge van Julich1,2

F, #67455, d. circa 995
Father'Duke' Godefroy van Julich Count Palatine, Lord of Julich3 d. c 949
MotherErmentrudis (?)4
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited29 Aug 2020
     Gerberge van Julich married Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf.5

Gerberge van Julich died circa 995.2
     GAV-28.

Citations

  1. [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberge van Julich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726530&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, 'duke' Godefroy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726532&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrudis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726531&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, graaf Megingoz 'the Brown': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726529&tree=LEO

Maurice de Berkeley1

M, #67456
FatherSir James de Berkeley Knt., of Little Marshfield, Gloucestershire1,2,3 b. c 1353/54, d. 13 Jun 1405
MotherElizabeth Bluet1,2,3 d. 24 May 1419
Last Edited4 Dec 2012

Citations

  1. [S1743] Michael K. Blewett, pdf file on the internet, accessed 20 Aug 2005, http://bluett.com/blewett/EarlyEnglandResearch.pdf. Cites: The Peerage of England, Vol. IV, p.14-16 By: Arthur Collins Published London: Printed for W. Strahan, etc., MDCCLXXIC.
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Berkeley 10: p. 100. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S2365] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 18 April 2010: "Complete Peerage Addition: Elizabeth Bluet, wife of James Berkeley, Knt.," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 18 April 2010. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 18 April 2010."

Walter Blewett of Ragland1

M, #67457
FatherRalph Blewett of Lackham1
MotherAla/Alicia fitz Nicholas fitz Harding1
Last Edited3 Sep 2005
      ; The tenants who do appear in the Marshal’s entourage on a regular basis were all very significant men. The most important was Ralph Bloet. The Bloets could not be ignored by any lord of Striguil. It was not just that they were the principal tenants of the honor of Striguil in Wales and England. Ralph Bloet’s brother William had married a sister of the late Earl Richard Strongbow, the castle of Chepstow before William Marshall obtained Earl Richard’s Heiress. It was Ralph who would have formally delivered Chepstow castle to the Marshall or his attorneys in the summer of 1189. The extensive English lands of the Bloets were a useful piece in the jigsaw of influence he was building up in the south-west of England. Their manors lay in Gloucestershire, northern Hampshire, Wiltshire and Somerset, precisely the areas in which the Marshall was developing ambitions to raise an affinity. Ralph’s other brother, Walter , was castellan of Raglan and a great man in northern Gwent. Ralph too was an important character in the Marches of Wales. He had married Nest, a sister of Iorwerth ap Owain, the Welsh ruler of Caerleon and the hereditary enemy of the lords of Chepstow.1

; It is not known when the first 'motte-and-bailey' castle was built at Raglan, however a castle was in existence by 1174 when Raglan was granted to Walter Bloet by Richard de Clare, lord of nearby Chepstow. During the13th and 14th centuries Raglan remained a minor holding of a purely military nature, continuing in the Bloet family until passing to the Berkeleys through marriage in 1399.
Source: William Marshall, Court, Career and Chivalry in the Angevin Empire 1147-1219, P 139 Arthur: David Crouch Edited by: David Bates Published by: Pearson Education Limited; Edinburgh Gate, Harlow, Essex CM20 2je, England; First Published 1953; Longman Group UK Limited 1990 ISBN 0-582-03787-5 and ISBN 0-582-03786-7.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1743] Michael K. Blewett, pdf file on the internet, accessed 20 Aug 2005, http://bluett.com/blewett/EarlyEnglandResearch.pdf

Ralph Blewett of Lackham1

M, #67458
FatherRaoul/Ralph Blewett of Hampshire1
Last Edited3 Sep 2005
     Ralph Blewett of Lackham married Ala/Alicia fitz Nicholas fitz Harding, daughter of Nicholas fitz Robert fitz Harding and Ala (?) de Gloucester.

Citations

  1. [S1743] Michael K. Blewett, pdf file on the internet, accessed 20 Aug 2005, http://bluett.com/blewett/EarlyEnglandResearch.pdf

Ala/Alicia fitz Nicholas fitz Harding1

F, #67459
FatherNicholas fitz Robert fitz Harding1
MotherAla (?) de Gloucester1
Last Edited3 Sep 2005
     Ala/Alicia fitz Nicholas fitz Harding married Ralph Blewett of Lackham, son of Raoul/Ralph Blewett of Hampshire.

Citations

  1. [S1743] Michael K. Blewett, pdf file on the internet, accessed 20 Aug 2005, http://bluett.com/blewett/EarlyEnglandResearch.pdf

Nicholas fitz Robert fitz Harding1

M, #67460
Last Edited3 Sep 2005
     Nicholas fitz Robert fitz Harding married Ala (?) de Gloucester.

Citations

  1. [S1743] Michael K. Blewett, pdf file on the internet, accessed 20 Aug 2005, http://bluett.com/blewett/EarlyEnglandResearch.pdf

Ala (?) de Gloucester1

F, #67461
Last Edited3 Sep 2005
     Ala (?) de Gloucester married Nicholas fitz Robert fitz Harding.

Citations

  1. [S1743] Michael K. Blewett, pdf file on the internet, accessed 20 Aug 2005, http://bluett.com/blewett/EarlyEnglandResearch.pdf

Raoul/Ralph Blewett of Hampshire1

M, #67462
FatherWalter Blewett "the Viking"1 b. c 987
Last Edited3 Sep 2005

Citations

  1. [S1743] Michael K. Blewett, pdf file on the internet, accessed 20 Aug 2005, http://bluett.com/blewett/EarlyEnglandResearch.pdf

Walter Blewett "the Viking"1

M, #67463, b. circa 987
Last Edited3 Sep 2005
     Walter Blewett "the Viking" was born circa 987.1
      ; per Blewett: "the name Bloet is of Viking origin. they arrived in Northern Scotland in 870 AD and their descendeants landed in Northern France in 911 AD. Source: Valerie White."1 Walter Blewett "the Viking" was also known as Walter Bluet.1

Citations

  1. [S1743] Michael K. Blewett, pdf file on the internet, accessed 20 Aug 2005, http://bluett.com/blewett/EarlyEnglandResearch.pdf

Elizabeth Talbot1

F, #67465, b. circa 1380
FatherSir Richard Talbot 4th Lord Talbot de Blackmere1 b. c 1361, d. bt 8 Sep 1396 - 9 Sep 1396
MotherAnkaret le Strange Baroness Strange of Blackmere1 b. c 1361, d. 1 Jun 1413
Last Edited3 Sep 2005
     Elizabeth Talbot was born circa 1380.1 She married John de Arundel 13th/6th Earl of Arundel, 3rd Lord Mautravers, son of Sir John de Arundel Knt., 2nd Lord Arundel and Elizabeth le Despenser, before 1397.1

      ; CP, Volume 1, p. 247: "He [John d'Arundel, Lord Mautravers, 13th or 7th Earl of Arundel] m.,
before 1407, Eleanor, da. of Sir John Berkeley, of Beverstone, co.
Gloucester..."

Arundel's marriage to Eleanor Berkeley of Beverstone was his second.
His first marriage was to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Richard, 4th
Lord Talbot and Ankaret le Strange, Lady of Blakemere.

>From 'Accounts of the Stewards of the Talbot Household at Blakemere
1392-1425' edited by Barbara Ross [Shropshire Record Series, Volume 7, 2003], p. 46 n. 2:

"Pollard [historian A.J. Pollard], 'Family of Talbot'[his 1968 PhD. thesis], 11, says that Eliz. may have been the eldest Talbot child,
that she played a fairly active role in her mother's household and may
have become a nun; however in P.R.O. 'Calendar of papal registers:
letters', vi. 71, there is a letter dated 6 Id. Oct. (10 Oct.) 1405 to
the Bishop of Hereford conveying a mandate to dispense John de Arundell
donsell and Eliz. de Talbot damsel, of the dioceses of Salisbury and
Hereford, allowing them to remain in the unconsummated marriage which
they formerly contracted, in ignorance, as they afterwards learned,
that they were related in the third and fourth degree."

John d'Arundel and Elizabeth Talbot were related as so:

Edmund, Earl of Arundel (k. 1326), had a son(A) and dau(B):
A) Richard, Earl of Arundel (d. 1376), who had
A2) John d'Arundel (d. 1379), Lord Mautravers, who had
A3) John d'Arundel (1364-1390), who had
A4) John d'Arundel, Lord Mautravers - groom

B) Mary of Arundel, Lady Strange of Blakemere (d. 1396), had
B2) Ankaret, Lady Strange of Blakemere (d. 1413), who had
B3) Elizabeth Talbot - bride

The groom, John d'Arundel, Lord Mautravers, was born in 1385. The
bride was a few years older. In the Salop IPM [18 Sept. 1383] of
Elizabeth, Lady Strange of Blakemere (1373-1383), first wife of Thomas
Mowbray, 1st duke of Norfolk, it was found that "Richard Talbot [4th Lord Talbot] has begotten two daughters, Elizabeth and Mary, both of
whom are still living."

CP, Volume 12 pt. 1, p. 616, states that Richard Talbot and Ankaret le
Strange were married "before 23 Aug. 1383", using the death of
Elizabeth, countess of Nottingham, as the parameter. But Barbara Ross,
'Stewards of the Talbot Household', states (p. 3) that Richard Talbot
"had been married, since at least 1377, to Ankaretta Lady Strange whose
inheritance Blakemere was."

Elizabeth Talbot, the eldest child, was born about 1380, and was about
five years older than her contracted husband John d'Arundel. Unlike
the next daughter, Mary Talbot (c.1382-1433), whose son and heir Sir
Thomas Greene was born 10 Feb. 1400, Elizabeth was still living in her
mother's household in 1401-2.

The marriage of John d'Arundel and Elizabeth Talbot was likely
contracted before 1396/7, when her father Richard, Lord Talbot, and
John's great-uncle and guardian the Earl of Arundel were still alive.
It seems highly unlikely that the parties were unaware they were
related, as is stated in the 1405 papal letter. What likely happened
was that the death of Lord Talbot and the execution of the Earl of
Arundel, led to a delay in the marriage going forward.

When Henry IV restored Thomas Fitzalan (1381-1415) to his father's
estates and earldom of Arundel in Oct. 1400, it may be that the
19-year-old earl was not eager to rush forward the marriage of his
kinsman (and heir male) John d'Arundel before he himself was married.
Elizabeth's two eldest Talbot brothers, Gilbert and John (future earl
of Shrewsbury), along with their stepfather Lord Furnival, fought with
the young earl of Arundel in Henry IV's Welsh wars. In 1405, the
marriage of the earl to Beatriz of Portugal was being negotiated, and
it may be at that point that it was determined to allow the marriage of
20-year-old John d'Arundel to 25-year-old Elizabeth Talbot to finally
move forward and be consummated.

As the eldest son of John d'Arundel and Eleanor Berkeley was born in
February 1408, John's marriage to Elizabeth Talbot was either annulled
due to the 1405 request for the papal dispensation not being granted,
or - more likely - ended due to Elizabeth's death in 1406/7. She is
not mentioned in the 1411-12, 1417-18, 1419-20 or 1424-5 Steward of
Blakemere accounts, though all three of her sisters are.

Finally, 'Collins Peerage' and other 19th-century genealogies say that
Elizabeth, daughter of Richard Talbot and Ankaret le Strange, was
married to Hugh de Cokesey. This stems from confusion with Elizabeth's
half-sister Joan Neville (b. 1404), daughter of Lord Furnival and
Ankaret le Strange. She was married to Sir Hugh de Cokesey (1405-1445)
by 1420, and predeceased him without issue.

Many thanks to Linda Jack for pointing out the existence of Barbara
Ross's book on the Stewards of Blakemere!1

Citations

  1. [S1773] Brad Verity, "Verity email 5 April 2005 "CP Addition: Marriage of John d'Arundel, Lord Mautravers & Elizabeth Talbot"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 5 April 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 5 April 2005."

Nichole Bardolf1

F, #67466
FatherHugh Bardolf 1st Lord Bardolf of Wormegay1,2 b. c 29 Sep 1259, d. b 20 Aug 1304
MotherIsabel Aguillon Lady of Perching1 b. 25 Mar 1258, d. b 28 May 1323
Last Edited2 Oct 2019
      ; Dear Bevan,

Many thanks for that find, and for sharing this 'CP
Correction' with the list. The records of the tenure of Perching,
Sussex confirms the existence of a daughter Margery Bardolf, and
provides strong circumstantial evidence for the relationship
of the de Poynings family (and now of that of Giles de Arderne)
to the Lords Bardolf.

Following is a bare-bones pedigree as derived from the
account in VCH (and a few other sources, CP included):


William Bardolf = Juliana de Sir Robert = Joan de
of Wormegay, I Gournay Aguillon I Ferrers
d. 1289 I d. Feb 1285/6 I
I____ ___________I
I I
Hugh Bardolf = Isabel Aguillon
Lord Bardolf I d. 1323
__________________________I_________________
I I I I
Sir Thomas William Nichole Margery
Lord Bardolf d.s.p. = (1) Sir Robert = Sir Michael
d. 1328 I de Arderne de Poynings
______________I (2) Thomas Wale k. 1314
I ________________________I____
I I I I I
Giles de Sir Thomas Margery
Arderne d. 1339 = Sir Edmund
fl. 1346 I Bacon
I d. 1349
I I
Sir Michael de I
Poynings V
fl. 1349;
d. March 1368/9



Your contribution is much appreciated! Good luck, and
good (continued) hunting.

Cheers, John.

Citations

  1. [S1774] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 17 Jun 2005 "Re: CP Addition? - Margery/Margaret wife of Michael de Poynings"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jun 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 17 Jun 2005."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugh Bardolf, 1st Baron Bardolf, of Wirmegay: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139510&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Margery Bardolf1,2

F, #67467
FatherHugh Bardolf 1st Lord Bardolf of Wormegay1,3 b. c 29 Sep 1259, d. b 20 Aug 1304
MotherIsabel Aguillon Lady of Perching1 b. 25 Mar 1258, d. b 28 May 1323
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited2 Oct 2019
     Margery Bardolf married Sir Michael de Poynings, son of Sir Luke de Poynings and Hawise (?), before 8 June 1298.4,2

     Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. X 659
     2. Hugh Bardolf Family History Report 2015, Ravilious, John.2

;
Per Ravilious email:"Dear Bevan,
     "Many thanks for that find, and for sharing this 'CP Correction' with the list. The records of the tenure of Perching, Sussex confirms the existence of a daughter Margery Bardolf, and provides strong circumstantial evidence for the relationship of the de Poynings family (and now of that of Giles de Arderne) to the Lords Bardolf.
     "Following is a bare-bones pedigree as derived from the account in VCH (and a few other sources, CP included):

William Bardolf = Juliana de Sir Robert = Joan de
of Wormegay, I Gournay Aguillon I Ferrers
d. 1289 I d. Feb 1285/6 I
I____ ___________I
I I
Hugh Bardolf = Isabel Aguillon
Lord Bardolf I d. 1323
__________________________I_________________
I I I I
Sir Thomas William Nichole Margery
Lord Bardolf d.s.p. = (1) Sir Robert = Sir Michael
d. 1328 I de Arderne de Poynings
______________I (2) Thomas Wale k. 1314
I ________________________I____
I I I I I
Giles de Sir Thomas Margery
Arderne d. 1339 = Sir Edmund
fl. 1346 I Bacon
I d. 1349
I I
Sir Michael de I
Poynings V
fl. 1349;
d. March 1368/9

     "Your contribution is much appreciated! Good luck, and good (continued) hunting.
     "Cheers, John.1 Margery Bardolf was living in February 1334.5

Family

Sir Michael de Poynings d. 24 Jun 1314
Children

Citations

  1. [S1774] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 17 Jun 2005 "Re: CP Addition? - Margery/Margaret wife of Michael de Poynings"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Jun 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 17 Jun 2005."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margery Bardolf: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00668551&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugh Bardolf, 1st Baron Bardolf, of Wirmegay: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139510&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Michael de Poynings: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117767&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margery: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117768&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Thomas de Poynings: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117769&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margery de Poynings: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00109300&tree=LEO

Pons de Gévaudun Comte de Gévaudun1,2

M, #67468, d. between 26 February 1011 and 1016
FatherEtienne I de Brioude Comte de Gévaudan, vicomte-abbé de Brioude1,3,4,2 d. c 975
MotherAdelaide (Adela, Blanche) (?) d'Anjou, Countess of Toulouse1,3,2 b. bt 942 - 947, d. 29 May 1026
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited13 Sep 2020
     Pons de Gévaudun Comte de Gévaudun married Unknown (?)
;
His 1st wife.2 Pons de Gévaudun Comte de Gévaudun married Unknown (?)
;
His 3rd wife.2 Pons de Gévaudun Comte de Gévaudun married Teutberga/Theutberga (?) between 1001 and 1008
;
Her 2nd husband; His 2nd wife.5,2
Pons de Gévaudun Comte de Gévaudun died between 26 February 1011 and 1016; Med Lands says murdered 26 Feb 1011/1016.2
     GAV-28.

; Per Med Lands:
     "PONS (-murdered [26 Feb 1011/1016]). "Stephanus filius quondam Bertrandi et Emildis" restored property "manso…Lacus" to Saint-Julien de Brioude which he had usurped after his father died by undated charter, signed by "domina Adalaiz…mariti sui Stephani atque filiorum suorum Poncii et Bertranni"[44]. "Episcopus sedis Aniciensis Vuido" names "Pontii comitis nepotis sui fratrisque eius Bertrandi" in a charter dated 13 Apr 997[45]. Comte de Gévaudan. "Poncius…comes…Gabalitanensis telluris necnon et Forensis patriæ" donated "ecclesiam Langat…in comitatu Gabalitensi, aliam ecclesiam…Favairolas…" to Saint-Julien de Brioude, for the souls of "genitorum suorum Stephani et Alais et uxoris eius Theotbergæ et filiorum eius Stephani et Poncii vel fratrum eius Bertrandi et Willelmus et nepotum eius Stephani, Rotberti et Willelmi", by charter dated Feb [1010], signed by "Roberti vicecomitis, Willelmi fratris eius…"[46]. "Stephanus vicecomes Gabalitanensium cum coniuge mea Aiamolde" founded the monastery of Langogne "in comitatu Gabalitano in vicaria Miliacense in villa…Lingonia secus ripam fluvii Elerii", with the consent of "…Rigaldi fratris mei et Urbani, filiique eius Simonis, Pontii quoque comitis ac Bertrandi fratrum", and donated property including "in comitatu Vivariensi" by charter dated 998[47]. "Duo germani fratres…Pontius, alter Bertrandus" donated property to Saint-Chaffre for the souls of "patris sui Stephani matrisque nomine Alaicis" by charter dated 1000[48]. The Chronicle of Saint-Pierre du Puy names "comes Gaufridus cognomento Grisogonella…Pontius et Bertrandus eius nepotes…matre eorum Adalaide sorore ipsius"[49]. "Poncius…comes…Gabalitanensis" donated property to Saint-Julien de Brioude for the souls of "genitorum meorum Stephani et Alaiz et uxoris meæ Theotberganæ et filiis meis Stephani et Poncii, vel fratribus meis Bertrando et Villelmo et nepotibus meis [Stephanum], Robertum atque Villelmum" by charter dated Feb 1011, subscribed by "Stephanus vicecomes…Rotberti vicecomitis, W. fratris sui…"[50]. The Liber miraculorum Sanctæ Fidæ name "Arsendis, uxor Vuillelmi Tholosani comitis, fratris…Pontii" and specify that the latter was murdered by "Artaldo…privigno suo", in revenge for the repudiation of his mother, Pons's second wife[51].
     "m firstly ---. This first marriage is demonstrated by the chronology of Pons’s children which shows that they could not have been born from his marriage to Theutberga.
     "m secondly ([1001/08], repudiated) as her second husband, THEUTBERGA, widow of ARTAUD Comte [de Lyon et de Forez], daughter of ---]. "Poncius…comes…Gabalitanensis telluris necnon et Forensis patriæ" donated "ecclesiam Langat…in comitatu Gabalitensi, aliam ecclesiam…Favairolas…" to Saint-Julien de Brioude, for the souls of "genitorum suorum Stephani et Alais et uxoris eius Theotbergæ et filiorum eius Stephani et Poncii vel fratrum eius Bertrandi et Willelmus et nepotum eius Stephani, Rotberti et Willelmi", by charter dated Feb [1010], signed by "Roberti vicecomitis, Willelmi fratris eius…"[52]. Her first marriage is confirmed by the Liber miraculorum Sanctæ Fidæ which specifies that "Pontii" was murdered by "Artaldo…privigno suo"[53].
     "m thirdly ---. According to Settipani, Pons repudiated his second wife in order to marry a third wife but he cites no source which confirms this third marriage[54].
     "Pons & his first wife had [three] children:
a) ETIENNE (-murdered 1013). Bishop of Clermont 1011.
b) PONS (-after Feb [1010]).
c) [ADELAIDE . m GERAUD Comte de Forez]"

Med Lands cites:
[44] Brioude 105, p. 122.
[45] Saint-Chaffre CXL, p. 69.
[46] Brioude 331, p. 335.
[47] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 156, col. 331.
[48] Saint-Chaffre CXLIV, p. 70.
[49] Saint-Chaffre, Chronicon Monasterii Sancti Petri Aniciensis, CCCCXII, p. 152.
[50] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 169, col. 357.
[51] Settipani (2004), p. 313, quoting Robertini, L. (ed.) (1994) Liber miraculorum sanctæ Fidæ (Spoleto), p. 56.
[52] Brioude 331, p. 335.
[53] Settipani (2004), p. 313, quoting Robertini, L. (ed.) (1994) Liber miraculorum sanctæ Fidæ (Spoleto), p. 56.
[54] Settipani (2004), p. 313.2

Family 1

Unknown (?)

Family 2

Unknown (?)
Child

Family 3

Teutberga/Theutberga (?) d. a 13 Apr 1013

Citations

  1. [S1778] Roger Tansey, "Tansey email 24 Jan 2005 "Re: d'Auvergne -> Toulouse or Arles"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v7pU1OHfzao/m/FYPj-jP7R0sJ) to e-mail address, 24 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Tansey email 24 Jan 2005."
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulnoreast.htm#PonsGevaudandied10161018. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adélaïde/Alix (Adelaidis, Alaiz, Adelax, Alaicis) alias Blanche (Blanca, Candida) of Anjou: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/adela000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Etienne I de Brioude: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331118&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#ArtaudIForezdied1000
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulnoreast.htm#AdelaideMGeraudForez

Bertrand (?) de Brioude1

M, #67469
FatherEtienne I de Brioude Comte de Gévaudan, vicomte-abbé de Brioude1,2,3 d. c 975
MotherAdelaide (Adela, Blanche) (?) d'Anjou, Countess of Toulouse1,2 b. bt 942 - 947, d. 29 May 1026
Last Edited15 Nov 2019

Citations

  1. [S1778] Roger Tansey, "Tansey email 24 Jan 2005 "Re: d'Auvergne -> Toulouse or Arles"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v7pU1OHfzao/m/FYPj-jP7R0sJ) to e-mail address, 24 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Tansey email 24 Jan 2005."
  2. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adélaïde/Alix (Adelaidis, Alaiz, Adelax, Alaicis) alias Blanche (Blanca, Candida) of Anjou: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/adela000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Etienne I de Brioude: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331118&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Etienne (?) de Brioude1

M, #67470
FatherEtienne I de Brioude Comte de Gévaudan, vicomte-abbé de Brioude1,2,3 d. c 975
MotherAdelaide (Adela, Blanche) (?) d'Anjou, Countess of Toulouse1,2 b. bt 942 - 947, d. 29 May 1026
Last Edited15 Nov 2019

Citations

  1. [S1778] Roger Tansey, "Tansey email 24 Jan 2005 "Re: d'Auvergne -> Toulouse or Arles"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v7pU1OHfzao/m/FYPj-jP7R0sJ) to e-mail address, 24 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Tansey email 24 Jan 2005."
  2. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adélaïde/Alix (Adelaidis, Alaiz, Adelax, Alaicis) alias Blanche (Blanca, Candida) of Anjou: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/adela000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Etienne I de Brioude: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331118&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.