Sir Robert de Eure1

M, #68701
FatherSir Hugh de Eure Knt.1 b. c 1230, d. b 10 Aug 1304
MotherNN Bertram1 b. c 1250
Last Edited11 Nov 2007
     Sir Robert de Eure married Isabella de Merlay.1

Family

Isabella de Merlay d. b 1271

Citations

  1. [S2148] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 19 April 2007: "Re: de Clavering family"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 19 April 2007."

Isabella de Merlay1

F, #68702, d. before 1271
Last Edited11 Nov 2007
     Isabella de Merlay married Sir Robert de Eure, son of Sir Hugh de Eure Knt. and NN Bertram.1

Isabella de Merlay died before 1271.1

Citations

  1. [S2148] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 19 April 2007: "Re: de Clavering family"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 19 April 2007."

Godescal/Gottschalk II de Morialmé1,2

M, #68703, b. circa 1100
FatherGottschalk (Godescal) de Trognée (Jauche)1,2
MotherAlpaïs (Alpaïde) (?) dame de Morialmé, Florennes et Auvelais1,2 b. c 1075
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited30 Dec 2013
     Godescal/Gottschalk II de Morialmé married Hedwige de Felnesse.1
Godescal/Gottschalk II de Morialmé was born circa 1100.2
     GAV-24.

; Thursday, 19 April, 2007

Hello All,

An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as
Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.

The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?

Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.

Cheers,

John

_______________________________________________

<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
__________________________I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
______________I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
__________________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
_______________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9

Wikipedia, on Morialmé

Historique [modifier]
la première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos
régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé.
________________________________________________________________________

* John P. Ravilious.1

Citations

  1. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Hedwige de Felnesse1,2

F, #68704
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited30 Dec 2013

Citations

  1. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Gottschalk (Godescal) de Trognée (Jauche)1,2,3

M, #68705
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited5 Jun 2020
     Gottschalk (Godescal) de Trognée (Jauche) married Alpaïs (Alpaïde) (?) dame de Morialmé, Florennes et Auvelais, daughter of Arnoul (Arnaud) III (?) de Florennes, seigneur de Morialmé, Avoué d’Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, Soumoy, Dampremy and Yvette (?), in 1094.2

     GAV-26. Gottschalk (Godescal) de Trognée (Jauche) was also known as Godescal de Trognée.2

Citations

  1. Racines et Histoire and Ravilious have slightly different descendancies and ancestors here.
  2. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 4.

Alpaïs (Alpaïde) (?) dame de Morialmé, Florennes et Auvelais1,2,3,4

F, #68706, b. circa 1075
FatherArnoul (Arnaud) III (?) de Florennes, seigneur de Morialmé, Avoué d’Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, Soumoy, Dampremy2 d. 1115
MotherYvette (?)2
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited5 Jun 2020
     Alpaïs (Alpaïde) (?) dame de Morialmé, Florennes et Auvelais was born circa 1075.2 She married Gottschalk (Godescal) de Trognée (Jauche) in 1094.3

     GAV-26.

Citations

  1. Racines et Histoire and Ravilious have slightly different descendancies here.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 4.

Unknown (?)1

F, #68707
FatherRofrit (?)1 d. bt 836 - 839
MotherDauferada (?)2
ReferenceGAV35
Last Edited6 Jun 2020
     Unknown (?) married Landolfo I (?) Gastaldo di Capua, 1st Duca di Capua, son of Pando (?).1,3

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "LANDOLF [I], son of PANDO & his wife --- (-[842/44]). "Landulph Maticu [=magnarum maxillarum], filius Pald" was installed as gastald and Count of Capua, dated to 815 by the editor of the MGH edition[1431]. Erchempert records "Landolfus" as "Capuæ…gastaldeus" when recording that he supported Siconulf, son of Sico Prince of Benevento, in the civil war with Arechis Prince of Benevento (dated to 839/42)[1432]. Arab mercenaries from Benevento burnt the old city of Capua in 841, after which a new city was built a few kilometres away[1433]. The Chronicon Vulturnense records that "Landulfus comes" left "Capua vetere", which he had held for 25 years and 3 months, and moved "in monticulum…Tripliscus qui alio nomine…Sicopolis" in 841, and died three years later[1434]. Count Landolf built a heavily fortified castrum overlooking the city of Capua, referred to as "Rebelopolis"[1435]. The Cronica de Monasterio Sanctissimi Benedicti record that "Landolfus senior" held "Capua veterem" for 25 years and 4 months and built "civitatem nobam in monte Trifisco" which he held for a further one year and eight months[1436].
     "m ---, daughter of [ROFRIT & his wife Dauferada ---]. The parentage of the wife of Landolf [I] is suggested by the Chronicon Salernitanum which names "Adelchisi Rofrit filius…et suum cognatum Landolfum comite Capuano"[1437]. Stasser suggests that "cognatus" should be interpreted as brother-in-law in this context, and therefore that Landolf´s wife was the daughter of Rofrit[1438]. that is correct, she could also have been the sister of Adelchis´s own wife."
Med Lands cites:
[1431] Cronica de Monasterio Sanctissimi Benedicti, "Comites Capuæ", MHG SS III, p. 205, and Chronicon Comitum Capuæ, MHG SS III, p. 207.
[1432] Erchemperti Historia Langobardorum 15, MGH SS III, p. 246.
[1433] Kreutz (1996), p. 69.
[1434] Chronicon Vulturnense, Liber II, RIS I.2, p. 392.
[1435] Chronicon Salernitanum, ch. 58, p. 58, cited in Kreutz (1996), pp. 69 and 178 footnote 59.
[1436] Cronica de Monasterio Sanctissimi Benedicti, "Comites Capuæ", MHG SS III, p. 205.3


; Per Med Lands:
     "daughter . The parentage of the wife of Landolf [I] is suggested by the Chronicon Salernitanum which names "Adelchisi Rofrit filius…et suum cognatum Landolfum comite Capuano"[312]. Stasser suggests that "cognatus" should be interpreted as brother-in-law in this context, and therefore that Landolf´s wife was the daughter of Rofrit[313]. If that is correct, she could also have been the sister of Adelchis´s own wife.
     "m LANDOLF [I] Count of Capua, son of PANDO & his wife --- (-[842])."
Med Lands cites:
[312] Chronicon Salernitanum 80, MGH SS III, p. 507.
[313] Stasser, T. Où sont les femmes?, a paper presented to the International Medieval Congress at Leeds 13 July 2000, available at http://www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/prosop/oks.stm [7 Dec 2002], and Stasser, T. (2008) Où sont les femmes? (Oxford), p. 356.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#dauRofritMLandolfICapua. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#DauferadaMRofrit.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#LandolfICapuadied842.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#Landenolfdied859.

Dauferada (?)1

F, #68708
FatherDaufer 'Mutus' (?)1 d. b Mar 852
ReferenceGAV36
Last Edited6 Jun 2020
     Dauferada (?) married Rofrit (?), son of Daufer (?).1,2

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ROFRIT (-[836/39]). The Chronicon Salernitanum records the conspiracy involving "Rofrit cum germano suo…Potelfrit, filii…Dauferii" which culminated in "Agelmundus" assassinating Grimoald IV Prince of Benevento (dated to May 818), and Daufer making a pilgrimage to Jerusalem in expiation of the crime[306]. Thesaurarius and referendarius of Sico I Prince of Benevento from [821] to [836]. The epitaph of "Rofrit" records his death aged 60[307].
     "m DAUFERADA, daughter of --- (-17 Oct ----). The epitaph of "Dauferada…Rofrit…iugalis" 17 Oct aged 45[308]. Her parentage is not known. The Chronicon Salernitanum names "Rofrit" and "sua principessa cognata", the latter referring from the context to the wife of Sicard Prince of Benevento (who is named in another passage of the same source as the daughter of Daufer "Mutus")[309]. If, as consistently suggested by Stasser, the word "cognata" can be interpreted as brother-in-law, it is possible that Rofrit´s second wife was Dauferada, daughter of Daufer "Mutus" & his wife --- [310]. Other examples suggest that “cognata” had acquired that meaning in later centuries, but that in the 9th century it was not necessarily so limited. If that is correct, there must be other possibilities for the parentage of Dauferada."
Med Lands cites:
[306] Chronicon Salernitanum 48-50, MGH SS III, pp. 494-5.
[307] Stasser, T. Où sont les femmes?, a paper presented to the International Medieval Congress at Leeds 13 July 2000, available at http://www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/prosop/oks.stm [7 Dec 2002], and Stasser, T. (2008) Où sont les femmes? (Oxford), p. 77, quoting Westerburgh, U. (1957) Beneventan Ninth Century Poetry (Stockholm), p. 32.
[308] Stasser (2008), p. 78, quoting Westerburgh, U. (1957) Beneventan Ninth Century Poetry (Stockholm), p. 30.
[309] Chronicon Salernitanum 79, MGH SS III, p. 506.
[310] Stasser (2008), p. 385.2
GAV-36.

; Per Med Lands:
     "DAUFERADA . The Chronicon Salernitanum names "Rofrit" and "sua principessa cognata", the latter referring from the context to the wife of Sicard Prince of Benevento (who is named in another passage of the same source as the daughter of Daufer "Mutus", see above)[659]. If, as consistently suggested by Stasser, the word "cognata" can be interpreted as brother-in-law, then it is possible that Rofrid´s wife was Adelchisa´s sister[660]. Other examples suggest “cognata” had acquired that meaning in later centuries, but that in the 9th century it was not necessarily so limited. If that is correct, there must be other possibilities for the parentage of Dauferada. The epitaph of "Dauferada…Rofrit…iugalis" records her death 17 Oct aged 45[661].
     "m ROFRIT, son of DAUFER & his wife --- (-[836/39])."
Med Lands cites:
[659] Chronicon Salernitanum 79, MGH SS III, p. 506.
[660] Stasser, T. Où sont les femmes?, a paper presented to the International Medieval Congress at Leeds 13 July 2000, available at http://www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/prosop/oks.stm [7 Dec 2002], and Stasser, T. (2008) Où sont les femmes? (Oxford), p. 385.
[661] Stasser (2008), p. 78, quoting Westerburgh, U. (1957) Beneventan Ninth Century Poetry (Stockholm), p. 30.1

Family

Rofrit (?) d. bt 836 - 839
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#DauferadaMRofrit. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#dauRofritMLandolfICapua.

Potelfrit (?)1

M, #68709, d. after 818
FatherDaufer (?)1 d. a 818
ReferenceGAV34
Last Edited6 Jun 2020
     Potelfrit (?) died after 818.1
     GAV-34.

; Per Med Lands:
     "POTELFRIT (-after 818). The Chronicon Salernitanum records the conspiracy involving "Rofrit cum germano suo…Potelfrit, filii…Dauferii" which culminated in "Agelmundus" assassinating Grimoald IV Prince of Benevento (dated to May 818)[316].
     "m ---. The name of Potelfrit´s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites: [316] Chronicon Salernitanum 48-50, MGH SS III, pp. 494-5.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#dauPotelfritMLandenolf. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Rose de Lucy1

F, #68710
FatherSir Richard "the Loyal" de Lucy Knt., of Chipping Ongar1,2 b. c 1120, d. 14 Jul 1179
MotherRohese (?) de Boulogne1,2 b. 1104, d. 1176
Last Edited7 Jun 2020
     Rose de Lucy married William de Mounteney
;
Her 1st husband.3 Rose de Lucy married Michael Capra
;
Her 2nd husband.4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: A Rose by Any Other Name: Another Daughter of Richard de Lucy 2014, Bevan, Rosie ; Peter G. M. Dale.2

Family 1

Michael Capra

Family 2

William de Mounteney

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard 'the Loyal' de Lucy, of Chipping Ongar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00463741&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rose de Lucy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00648340&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Mounteney: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00648339&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Michael Capra: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00648341&tree=LEO

Helvide (?) (?)1

F, #68711
Last Edited6 Jun 2020
     Helvide (?) (?) married Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé, son of Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut and Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde),
; Ravilious mentions Arnoul marrying a "Helvide". Genealogics (citing ES) and Med Lands say he m. "Ermentrude".1,2,3
      ; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
     "An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
     "The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
     "Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________

<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
     "La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
     "Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
     "Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."1

Citations

  1. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Arnauddied10021010. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Elbert de Florennes Seigneur de Florennes1,2

M, #68712, d. 28 March 977
Last Edited6 Jun 2020
     Elbert de Florennes Seigneur de Florennes married Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde), daughter of Erlebaud (?) seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay and Alpaïs (?) de France,
;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.1,3,2,4 Elbert de Florennes Seigneur de Florennes married Hersende (?)
;
His 1st wife.1,2
Elbert de Florennes Seigneur de Florennes died on 28 March 977.2
     ; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
     "An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
     "The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
     "Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________

<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
     "La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
     "Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
     "Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."1
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
     "Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."5

; Per Med Lands:
     "EILBERT (-28 Mar 977). The Historia Walciodorensis monasterii names "comes Eilbertus pater comes Ebroinus"[416]. Seigneur de Florennes. The Historia Walciodorensis monasterii records that "comes Ebroinus [et] Berta" had seven sons named (in order) "comes Eilbertus, secundus comes Uddo de Foix, deinde comes Heribertus de Sancto Quintino, Gerardus de Odenarde, comes Boso, comes Witerus et Macuardus venerabilis episcopus", recording in a later passage that Eilbert and Heribert captured "Karolus rex" in 922 and held him at Péronne[417], although most of this appears to be pure fantasy. "Otto…rex" confirmed the foundation of Kloster Waulsort "Walciodorus…in pago Ardenna" by "nobili viro Eilberto…et uxor sua Heresuindis" by charter dated 19 Sep 946[418].
     "m firstly HERESWIND, daughter of --- (-[1 Jan] ----). The necrology of Gorze records the death "Kal Jan" of "Hersindis comitissa"[419], which may refer to the wife of Eilbert as her father-in-law's death is also recorded in the same source.
     "m secondly (after 964) as her second husband, ALPAIDE, widow of GODEFROI Comte de Hainaut [GOTTFRIED associate Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia], daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[420], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[421]. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[422]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[423]."
Med Lands cites:
[416] Historia Walciodorensis monasterii 1, MGH SS XIV, p. 505.
[417] Historia Walciodorensis monasterii 3 and 5, MGH SS XIV, pp. 505 and 508.
[418] D O I 81, p. 160.
[419] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 267.
[420] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[421] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[422] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[423] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.2

Family 1

Hersende (?)

Citations

  1. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#EilbertFlorennesdied977. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Morialmé: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S2150] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007: "Re: Query: the lords of Morialm"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007."

Alpaide (?)1

F, #68717
FatherGodefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut1 d. 5 Aug 964
MotherAlpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde)1 b. c 921, d. 986
Last Edited5 Jun 2020
     Alpaide (?) married Etienne de Brakel.1

      ; Thursday, 19 April, 2007

Hello All,

An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as
Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.

The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?

Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.

Cheers,

John

_______________________________________________

<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
__________________________I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
______________I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
__________________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
_______________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9

Wikipedia, on Morialmé

Historique [modifier]
la première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos
régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé.
________________________________________________________________________

* John P. Ravilious.1

Family

Etienne de Brakel

Citations

  1. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."

Gerard 'the Great' (?) Bishop of Cambrai1

M, #68719
FatherGodefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut1 d. 5 Aug 964
MotherAlpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde)1 b. c 921, d. 986
Last Edited5 Jun 2020
      ; Thursday, 19 April, 2007

Hello All,

An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as
Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.

The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?

Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.

Cheers,

John

_______________________________________________

<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
__________________________I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
______________I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
__________________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
_______________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9

Wikipedia, on Morialmé

Historique [modifier]
la première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos
régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé.
________________________________________________________________________

* John P. Ravilious.1 Gerard 'the Great' (?) Bishop of Cambrai was Bishop of Cambrai between 1013 and 1051.1

Citations

  1. [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."

Elizabeth Bigod1

F, #68721, b. circa 1445
FatherSir Ralph Bigod Knt., of Settrington1,2 b. 1410, d. 29 Mar 1461
MotherAnne de Greystoke1,3 b. c 1417, d. 23 Mar 1477
Last Edited1 Oct 2019
     Elizabeth Bigod married Sir John Aske of Aughton, Yorks.1
Elizabeth Bigod was born circa 1445.1

Family

Sir John Aske of Aughton, Yorks b. 1443, d. 1497
Child

Citations

  1. [S2152] Brad Verity, "Verity email 25 Apr 2007: "Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicide Counsel"," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 25 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 25 Apr 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Ralph Bigod, of Settrington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00127763&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Anne Greystoke: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00127764&tree=LEO

Sir John Aske of Aughton, Yorks1

M, #68722, b. 1443, d. 1497
Last Edited17 Nov 2007
     Sir John Aske of Aughton, Yorks married Elizabeth Bigod, daughter of Sir Ralph Bigod Knt., of Settrington and Anne de Greystoke.1
Sir John Aske of Aughton, Yorks was born in 1443.1
Sir John Aske of Aughton, Yorks died in 1497.1

Family

Elizabeth Bigod b. c 1445
Child

Citations

  1. [S2152] Brad Verity, "Verity email 25 Apr 2007: "Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicide Counsel"," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 25 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 25 Apr 2007."

James Higginbotham1

M, #68723
FatherCol. George Washington Higginbotham1 b. 20 Dec 1786, d. 30 Apr 1863
MotherElizabeth Cashwell1
Last Edited19 Oct 2017

Citations

  1. [S2354] Ancestry.Com Web Site, online http://search.ancestry.com/, History of the Higginbotham name seen on the Oliver Higginbotham family tree Ancestry.com on 19 Oct 2017 at: Found: https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/5407581/person/-1457480964/media/405545c0-5871-4a6b-be00-51d2e3304c3e. Hereinafter cited as Ancestry.Com Web Site.

Eyla Muñoz (?)1,2

F, #68724
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited23 Dec 2020
     Eyla Muñoz (?) married Gonzalo Munoz (?) Conde de Asturias de Santillana, son of Munio Gonzalez (?) Conde de Alaba and Tigridia Ansúrez (?).3,4,2

      ; Per de Almeida:
"1. Manrique Perez de Lara, 1. lord of Molina, d. 1164 at an unknown age
2. Pedro González de Lara, count, d. 1130 (lover of Queen Urraca of León y Castilla) at an unknown age [b]
3. Eva
4. Gonzalo Muñoz, count in Lara at an unknown age
5. Sandina Rodríguez
8. Munio González, count of the Astúrias, d. 1097 at an unknown age
9. Maior Rodríguez
16. Gonzalo Muñoz, count of the Astúrias, d. 1053 at an unknown age
17. Eyla Muñoz
32. Munio González, d. 1047 at an unknown age
33. Tigridia Ansúrez
64. Gonzalo Garcia de Castilla, d. 1011 at an unknown age
65. N...
128. García Fernández, count sovereign of Castilla, d. 995 at an unknown age
129. Ava de Ribagorza
256. Fernando González, count of Castilla at an unknown age [b]
257. Sancha Sánchez of Pamplona
258. Raimundo II., count of Ribagorza
259. Gersende de Fézensac
512. Gonzalo Fernández, count in Burgos, count of Castilla at an unknown age [b][c]
513. Muniadona Nuñez, "la Cometissima"
514. Sancho I Garcez, King of Pamplona
515. Toda Aznares of Aragón
516. Bernardo, count of Ribagorza
517. Toda Galíndez of Aragón, señora de Sobrarbe
518. Guillaume Garcez de Gascogne, count of Fézensac [c]
519. Gracinde de Rouerge
1024. Fernando González "el Negro" de Castrosiero at an unknown age [b][c]
1025. Gontiña Muñoz
1026. Nuño Ordóñez, Infante de Galiza [c]
1027. N... de Castilla
1028. García Ximenez at an unknown age
1029. Daldidis de Paillars
1030. Aznar II Galindes, count of Aragón, d. 893 at an unknown age
1031. Onega Garcez de Pamplona
1034. Galindo III. Aznar, count of Aragón, d. 922 at an unknown age
1035. Acibelle de Gascogne
1036. García Sanchez "el Curvo", duc de Gascogne [c]
1037. Amuna d'Agen
1038. Raymond II, count of Toulouse and Rouerge at an unknown age [c]
1039. Gunilda de Barcelona

Almost all of the last generation have long ahnentafels.
at an unknown age Actas do 17º Congresso Internacional de Ciências Genealógica e Heráldica Instituto Português de Heráldica Lisboa, 1986
[b] Nobiliário das Famílias de Portugal Felgueiras Gayo Carvalhos de Basto, 2ª Edição Braga, 1989
[c] A Herança Genética de D. Afonso Henriques Luiz de Mello Vaz de São Payo Universidade Moderna, 1ª Edição Porto, 2002
Best regards, Francisco.3

Reference: Genealogics cites: Actas do 17 Congresso Internacional de Ciéncias Genealógica e Heráldica, Inst. Port. de Heráldica, Lisboa, 1986.2 GAV-27.

Citations

  1. [S2151] Francisco Tavares de Almeida, "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007: "Re: manrique de lara"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/83Ttp72p5m8/m/ex0K4muXITkJ) to e-mail address, 7 Oct 2007. Hereinafter cited as "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eyla Muñoz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00515440&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2151] Francisco Tavares de Almeida, "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007," e-mail to e-mail address, 7 Oct 2007, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/83Ttp72p5m8/m/ex0K4muXITkJ
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gonzalo Muñoz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00515439&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Conde Munio González de Cantabria: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00093526&tree=LEO

Tigridia Ansúrez (?)1

F, #68725
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited23 Dec 2020
     Tigridia Ansúrez (?) married Munio Gonzalez (?) Conde de Alaba, son of Gonzalo Garcia de Lara de Castile.1,2

     ; Per de Almeida:
"1. Manrique Perez de Lara, 1. lord of Molina, d. 1164 at an unknown age
2. Pedro González de Lara, count, d. 1130 (lover of Queen Urraca of León y Castilla) at an unknown age [b]
3. Eva
4. Gonzalo Muñoz, count in Lara at an unknown age
5. Sandina Rodríguez
8. Munio González, count of the Astúrias, d. 1097 at an unknown age
9. Maior Rodríguez
16. Gonzalo Muñoz, count of the Astúrias, d. 1053 at an unknown age
17. Eyla Muñoz
32. Munio González, d. 1047 at an unknown age
33. Tigridia Ansúrez
64. Gonzalo Garcia de Castilla, d. 1011 at an unknown age
65. N...
128. García Fernández, count sovereign of Castilla, d. 995 at an unknown age
129. Ava de Ribagorza
256. Fernando González, count of Castilla at an unknown age [b]
257. Sancha Sánchez of Pamplona
258. Raimundo II., count of Ribagorza
259. Gersende de Fézensac
512. Gonzalo Fernández, count in Burgos, count of Castilla at an unknown age [b][c]
513. Muniadona Nuñez, "la Cometissima"
514. Sancho I Garcez, King of Pamplona
515. Toda Aznares of Aragón
516. Bernardo, count of Ribagorza
517. Toda Galíndez of Aragón, señora de Sobrarbe
518. Guillaume Garcez de Gascogne, count of Fézensac [c]
519. Gracinde de Rouerge
1024. Fernando González "el Negro" de Castrosiero at an unknown age [b][c]
1025. Gontiña Muñoz
1026. Nuño Ordóñez, Infante de Galiza [c]
1027. N... de Castilla
1028. García Ximenez at an unknown age
1029. Daldidis de Paillars
1030. Aznar II Galindes, count of Aragón, d. 893 at an unknown age
1031. Onega Garcez de Pamplona
1034. Galindo III. Aznar, count of Aragón, d. 922 at an unknown age
1035. Acibelle de Gascogne
1036. García Sanchez "el Curvo", duc de Gascogne [c]
1037. Amuna d'Agen
1038. Raymond II, count of Toulouse and Rouerge at an unknown age [c]
1039. Gunilda de Barcelona

Almost all of the last generation have long ahnentafels.
at an unknown age Actas do 17º Congresso Internacional de Ciências Genealógica e Heráldica Instituto Português de Heráldica Lisboa, 1986
[b] Nobiliário das Famílias de Portugal Felgueiras Gayo Carvalhos de Basto, 2ª Edição Braga, 1989
[c] A Herança Genética de D. Afonso Henriques Luiz de Mello Vaz de São Payo Universidade Moderna, 1ª Edição Porto, 2002
Best regards, Francisco.3 GAV-28.

Citations

  1. [S2151] Francisco Tavares de Almeida, "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007: "Re: manrique de lara"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/83Ttp72p5m8/m/ex0K4muXITkJ) to e-mail address, 7 Oct 2007. Hereinafter cited as "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Conde Munio González de Alaba: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00515437&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2151] Francisco Tavares de Almeida, "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007," e-mail to e-mail address, 7 Oct 2007, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/83Ttp72p5m8/m/ex0K4muXITkJ
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gonzalo Muñoz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00515439&tree=LEO

Gracinde (?) de Rouerge1

F, #68726
FatherRaimund II (?) Comte de Nîmes et d'Albi, de Toulouse1 b. c 857, d. bt 923 - 924
MotherGuinidilda d’Urgel1 d. b 924
ReferenceGAV31
Last Edited22 Jul 2020

Citations

  1. [S2151] Francisco Tavares de Almeida, "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007: "Re: manrique de lara"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/83Ttp72p5m8/m/ex0K4muXITkJ) to e-mail address, 7 Oct 2007. Hereinafter cited as "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007."
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GASCONY.htm#dauGuillaumeFezensacMRaimundoRibagorza. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/gasccent.htm#OdonFezensacdiedbefore985B
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GASCONY.htm#GarciaGasconydiedafter920B
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/gasccent.htm#BernardArmagnacdiedafter1029B

García I/II Sanchez "el Curvo" (?) duc et marquis de Gascogne1,2,3,4

M, #68727, b. 860, d. 926
FatherSancho II Sánchez (?) duc de Vasconie5,6 b. bt 825 - 835, d. bt 854 - 864
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited11 Aug 2020
     García I/II Sanchez "el Curvo" (?) duc et marquis de Gascogne was born in 860; Genealogics says b. 860; Med Lands says b. 850/860.7,4 He married Amuna/Amunia d'Angoulême, daughter of Vulgrin I (?) Comte d'Angoulême et de Perigord and Regelindis (Roselinde) (?) de Septimanie, comtesse d'Agen, circa 875
;
Her 2nd husband. de Almeida [2007] says m. ca 850. Racines et Histoire says m. 890/900; Wikipédia (Fr.) says m. ca 875.1,8,9,7,4,6
García I/II Sanchez "el Curvo" (?) duc et marquis de Gascogne died in 920.6
García I/II Sanchez "el Curvo" (?) duc et marquis de Gascogne died in 926; Racines et Histoire says d. 926; Genealogics says d. ca 904; Med Lands says d. aft 920.2,7,4
      ; Per Wikipedia:
     "García II Sánchez (Basque: Gartzia Antso, French: Garsie-Sanche le Tors or le Courbé, Gascon: Gassia Sans, Latin: Garsia Sancius Corvum, died circa 930), called the Bent, was the duke of Gascony from sometime before 887 to his death.
     "He was probably a son of Sancho Sánchez or of Sancho Mitarra, though older sources give a genealogy with a Spanish origin.[1]
     "His ancestry is, in the end, unknown. He may have been a cousin of Arnold, who some sources claim acted as regent during his minority following his father’s death in 864 (if his father was Sánchez). Other sources place Arnold as Sancho’s successor and date his death to that same year. Whatever the case, García was in power by 887.
     "In that year, he appeared in a charter issued by the grandees of Aquitaine assembled at Bourges to decide on a course of action in the twilight of the reign of Charles the Fat. In 904, he was using the title comes et marchio in limitibus oceani: "count and margrave to the limits of the ocean." García was the first of a line of dukes which ruled Gascony until 1032 and incorporated the county of Bordeaux into its demesne. García’s daughter Andregoto married one Raymond, who fathered William the Good, Count of Bordeaux. García divided his domain between his three sons by Amuna:
** Sancho IV inherited a rump duchy of Gascony with the ducal title
** William inherited the county of Fézensac (including Armagnac)
** Arnold inherited the county of Astarac
** Andregoto, mother of William the Good, Count of Bordeaux
** Garsinda, married Raymond III Pons, Count of Toulouse
** Acibella, married Galindo II Aznárez, Count of Aragon

Notes
1. Higounet, p 44, calls it "phantasmagorical".
Sources
** Higounet, Charles. Bordeaux pendant le haut moyen age. Bordeaux, 1963."3



;
Per Genealogics: "Garcia II Sánchez, called 'the Bent', was the ruler of Gascony from sometime before 887 to his death. He was probably a son of Sancho Sánchez or of Sancho Mitarra, though older sources give a genealogy with a Spanish origin. His ancestry is, in the end, unknown. In 887 he appeared in a charter issued by the grandees of Aquitaine assembled at Bourges to decide on a course of action in the twilight of the reign of King Charles 'the Fat'. In 904 he was using the title _comes at marchio in limitibus oceani:_ 'count and margrave to the limits of the ocean.' Garcia was the first of a line of dukes who ruled Gascony until 1032 and incorporated the county of Bordeaux into its demesne. Garcia divided his domain between his three sons: Sancho IV inherited a rump duchy of Gascony with the ducal title, Guillaume inherited the county of Fézensac (including Armagnac) and Arnold inherited the county of Astarac. Garcia died about 904."7



; NB: The identification of Sancho II Sanchez as the father for Garcia II Sanches is only speculation, described in Wikipedia, though I have chosen to include it here. GA Vaut.10,11



; Per Wikipedia (Fr.):
     "Garcia II Sanche, Garsie-Sanche le Tors ou le Courbé (basque : Gartzia Antso, espagnol : García II Sánchez, gascon : Gassia Sans, latin : Garsia Sancius Corvum fut comte de Gascogne de 886/887 jusqu’à sa mort après 9201.
     "Aucun document contemporain ne livre ses origines sur lesquelles les historiens sont partagés : origine inconnue, ou issu des princes de Navarre ou encore des précédents comtes gascons1.
     "En 867 il apparait dans une charte publiée par les grands d’Aquitaine assemblés à Bourges pour décider d’une action lors du crépuscule du règne de Charles le Gros. En 904, il utilisa le titre de comes et marchio in limitibus oceani (« comte et marquis jusqu’aux limites de l’océan »).
     "Garcia fut le premier d’une lignée de comtes puis ducs qui gouverna la Gascogne jusqu’en 1032 et incorpora le comté de Bordeaux dans son domaine.
     "Garcia divisa son domaine entre ses trois fils.
Union et descendance
     "Il épouse vers 875 Aminia d'Angoulême, fille de Vulgrin Ier d'Angoulême, et en a six enfants :
** Sanche Garcie, qui hérita du comté de Gascogne
** Guillaume Garcie2, qui hérita du comte de Fezensac (y compris l’Armagnac).
** Arnaud Garcie d'Astarac3, qui hérita du comté d’Astarac.
** Acibella, épouse de Galindo II Aznárez, comte d’Aragon
** Andregoto, épouse de Raimond, comte de Bordeaux.
** Garsinda, épouse de Raimond III Pons, comte de Toulouse

Notes et références
Christian Settipani « La1. noblesse du Midi carolingien: études sur quelques grandes familles d'Acquitaine et du Languedoc du IXe au XIe siècle, Toulousain, Périgord, Limousin, Poitou, Auvergne » UPR, 2004, page 81 à 82. [archive]
2. (en) Charles Cawley, « Gascony » [archive], sur Medieval Lands, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, 2006-2016.
3. (en) Charles Cawley, « Gascony » [archive], sur Medieval Lands, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, 2006-2016.
Bibliographie
** Christian Settipani, La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien, Oxford, Linacre College, Unit for Prosopographical Research, coll. « Occasional Publications / 5 », 2004, 388 p. (ISBN 1-900934-04-3)
** Higounet, Charles. Bordeaux pendant le haut moyen âge. Bordeaux, 1963."6

; Per Med Lands:
     "GARCIA [I] "le Tors/el Curvo" Sancho, son of SANCHO "Mitarra/Menditarra" Duke of Gascony & his wife --- ([850/60]-after 920). The Genealogica Comitum Guasconiæ names "Garsiam-Sancium Curvum" as son of "Mitarra-Sancius"[80]. His birth date is estimated consistent with his father’s estimated birth date range. Comte de Gascogne. He is named in charters dated [886/87][81]. “Rex Fortunio Garcianes” reviewed the territories of the monastery of San Julián de Labasal, at the request of “comite Galindo Asnar”, by charter dated 893, whose dating clause records “...Garcia Sanz in Gallias, Raimundus in Paliares, pagani...Mohomet Ebenlupu in Balleterra et Mohomet Atauel in Osca...”[82]. "Walfridus…abba…monachorum monasterii Soricinensis" sold "cella Modulfi", donated by "Arrichoatus comes", to "dominus Garcias, comes et marchio in limitibus oceanis" by charter dated Oct 904, which names "uxoris suæ Aminianæ et…filiis et filiabus"[83]. "Garsias Sanctii consul filius regis Sancii" granted "Astaracensem pagum" to "Arnaldo filio meo" by charter dated to [920], signed by "Garciæ Sancii Consulis, Sancii Wilhelmi comitis filii, Salii Vivari, Sancii Amanevi, Gumbaudi, Eneci fratris eius"[84].
     "m AMUNA [Munia], daughter of ---. "Walfridus…abba…monachorum monasterii Soricinensis" sold "cella Modulfi", donated by "Arrichoatus comes", to "dominus Garcias, comes et marchio in limitibus oceanis" by charter dated Oct 904, which names "uxoris suæ Aminianæ et…filiis et filiabus"[85]. Jaurgain suggests that "Aminiane", wife of Garcia, was the daughter of Guillaume Comte [de Bordeaux] and [Duke of Gascony] whom (it seems) Garcia’s father succeeded, in order to explain in particular the transmission of the name Guillaume into Garcia’s family[86]. The chronology is not ideal for this suggestion. Guillaume Comte [de Bordeaux] is last recorded when he was captured in 848. Jaurgain says “très probablement, il survécut longtemps à ce désastre”. No indication has been found which indicates that Jaurgain’s speculation is correct. Given the estimated birth dates of Garcia’s children, it is unlikely that their mother was born before [860], which would mean that Guillaume survived for a considerable time during which the sources were silent about his career. In any case, the name “Munia” suggests that Garcia’s wife was of Spanish origin. The Historia Abbatiæ Condomensis records that "comitissa…coniux…Garsiæ Principis cognomento Curvi" restored the convent of Condom[87].
     "Comte Garcia I & his wife had [seven] children."
Med Lands cites:
[80] Genealogia Comitum Guasconiæ, RHGF, Tome XII, p. 386.
[81] Settipani, Christian. La noblesse du Midi carolingien : e?tudes sur quelques grandes familles d'Aquitaine et du Languedoc du IXe au XIe sie?cles : Toulousain, Pe?rigord, Limousin, Poitou, Auvergne. Oxford : Prosopographica et genealogica, 2004. p. 81.
[82] San Juan de la Peña, Vol. I, 7, p. 31.
[83] Jaurgain (1898), p. 192, quoting Gallia Christiana t. I, Instrum., p. 170.
[84] Jaurgain (1898), pp. 180 and 285-6, quoting Extrait des Archives de la Chambre des Comptes de Montpellier, ex ms. Berd, and Brugeles (1736), Preuves de la troisième partie, 81.
[85] Jaurgain (1898), p. 192, quoting Gallia Christiana t. I, Instrum., p. 170.
[86] Jaurgain (1898), p. 198.
[87] Ex Historia Abbatiæ Condomensis, RHGF, Tome XI, p. 394.4
GAV-28.

Reference:
Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/3:563
2. Biogr. details drawn from Wikipedia. biographical details.7 García I/II Sanchez "el Curvo" (?) duc et marquis de Gascogne was also known as Garcia II Sánchez 'le Tors ou le Courbé' de Gascogne Comte de Gascogne.6 García I/II Sanchez "el Curvo" (?) duc et marquis de Gascogne was also known as Garcia Sanchez Duke of Gascony. García I/II Sanchez "el Curvo" (?) duc et marquis de Gascogne was also known as Garcia II Sánchez 'le Tors' Duc de Gascogne.7
; Per Racines et Histoire (Angoulême): "? Amuna d’Angoulême ° ~875 + ~905 comtesse d’Agen
ép. 1) ~885 Awriya Al kassi
ép. 2) ~890/900 Garcia II Sanchez «O Curvado» + 926 duc de Gascogne, comte et marquis

postérité Fezensac, Armagnac."8 He was Duc de Vasconie. (See attached map of Vasconie ca 740 - from Wikipedia: Par Cette image a été réalisée par Zorion (User:Zorion) et placée sous les licences ci-dessus. Vous êtes libre de la réutiliser, pour n'importe quelle utilisation, tant que vous me citez en tant qu'auteur, Wikimedia Commons en tant que site et suivez les instructions des licences.Si vous modifiez, transformez ou adaptez cette création, pourriez-vous avoir l'amabilité de me laisser un message sur cette page. Merci — Travail personnelMap from Garikoitz Estornés Zubizarreta Ducado de Vasconia (Auñamendi Eusko Entziklopedia), CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=34980820) between 886 and 920.12

Citations

  1. [S2151] Francisco Tavares de Almeida, "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007: "Re: manrique de lara"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/83Ttp72p5m8/m/ex0K4muXITkJ) to e-mail address, 7 Oct 2007. Hereinafter cited as "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Angouleme.pdf, p.2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garc%C3%ADa_II_S%C3%A1nchez_of_Gascony. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GASCONY.htm#GarciaGasconydiedafter920B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GASCONY.htm#GarciaGasconydiedafter920A
  6. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Garcia II Sanche de Gascogne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcia_II_Sanche_de_Gascogne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Garcia II Sánchez 'le Tors', Duc de Gascogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00631166&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes d’ Angoulême, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Angouleme.pdf
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Iberia 5 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/iberia/iberia5.html
  10. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sancho_II_S%C3%A1nchez_of_Gascony
  11. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 24 March 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  12. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes et ducs de Gascogne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_et_ducs_de_Gascogne
  13. [S1868] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005: "Toulouse according to Settipani"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Jan 2005, Bunot cites Christian Settipani, La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005."
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Garsinda of Gascony: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140032&tree=LEO
  15. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_I_of_Astarac
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/gasccent.htm#ArnaudGarciaAstaracdied960B
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sancho IV Garcés, Duc de Gascogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00631168&tree=LEO
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Acibella Garcés of Gascony: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120387&tree=LEO
  19. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GASCONY.htm#AcibellaGascogneMGalindoAznarAragon
  20. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GASCONY.htm#AndregotoMRaymondBordeaux

Bernard III de Béarn Comte de Bigorre1

M, #68728
FatherCentulle V/I Gaston 'the Young' de Béarn vicomte de Béarn, d'Oloron et de Brulhois, comte de Bigorre (jure uxoris)1 b. c 1045, d. 1090
MotherBeatriz I (?) comtesse de Bigorre1 b. c 1059, d. a 14 Oct 1095
Last Edited8 May 2020
     Bernard III de Béarn Comte de Bigorre married Adalmur de Fézensac Heiress de Fézensac
;
Her 1st husband.2
      ; See Wikipédia (Fr.) for more information.3 Bernard III de Béarn Comte de Bigorre was Comte de Bigorre between 1090 and 1113.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bernard III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00574012&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalmur de Fézensac: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139114&tree=LEO
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Bernard III de Bigorre: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_III_de_Bigorre. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).

Elisabeth|Eleanor Markenfield1,2

F, #68729, b. between 1510 and 1515, d. before 1535
FatherSir Ninian Markenfield Knt., of Merkenfield Hall1,3,2 b. c 1480, d. 25 Mar 1528
MotherDorothy Gascoigne1,3,2 d. b 1526
Last Edited3 Sep 2020
     Elisabeth|Eleanor Markenfield married Robert Aske of Aughton, Yorks, Heir of Aughton, son of John Aske of Aughton, Yorks and Eleanor Ryther,
;
His 1st wife.1,4,2 Elisabeth|Eleanor Markenfield was born between 1510 and 1515.1,2
Elisabeth|Eleanor Markenfield died before 1535.1

Citations

  1. [S2152] Brad Verity, "Verity email 25 Apr 2007: "Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicide Counsel"," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 25 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 25 Apr 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth|Eleanor Markenfield: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00407492&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Mauleverer 14: p. 498. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Aske, of Aughton: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00407491&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Aske, of Aughton: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00407493&tree=LEO

Elizabeth Dawnay1

F, #68730
FatherSir John Dawnay of Sessay1,2 d. 2 Mar 1553
MotherDorothy Neville1,2 b. 29 Mar 1496, d. 1532
Last Edited3 Sep 2020
     Elizabeth Dawnay married Robert Aske of Aughton, Yorks, son of Robert Aske of Aughton, Yorks, Heir of Aughton and Elisabeth|Eleanor Markenfield.1,3,2

     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Collins's Peerage of England, 1812 , Collins, Arthur; Sir Egerton Brydges. 8:455.
2. Acclom of Moreby, The Visitation of Yorkshire 1584/5 by Robert Glover, printed 1875, Foster, Joseph. 81.
3. The Genealogist [of London] new series. 21:36.2
Elizabeth Dawnay was also known as Elizabeth Dawney.2

Citations

  1. [S2152] Brad Verity, "Verity email 25 Apr 2007: "Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicide Counsel"," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 25 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 25 Apr 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Dawney: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00407494&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Aske, of Aughton: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00407493&tree=LEO