Galiena filia Waldevi (?)1

F, #68671
FatherWaldeve fitz Gospatric of Bolton and Bassenthwaite, co. Cumbs.1 d. a 1186
Last Edited7 Oct 2007
     Galiena filia Waldevi (?) married Philip de Moubray.1
     Galiena filia Waldevi (?) per Ravilious:
Galiena 'filia Waldevi'
coheir of her father

her lands included Inverkeithing and Balmeny

cf. SP III:245[2]

Spouse:     Philip de Moubray

Children:     Roger (->1233)
Ravilious cites: 1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
3. "Durham Cathedral Muniments: Miscellaneous Charters," Durham University Library Archives & Special Collections, http://flambard.dur.ac.uk:6336/dynaweb/handlist/ddc/dcdmisch/@Generic__BookTextView/10523
4. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland," Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I), full title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland, Preserved in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
5. "A History of Cumberland," Vol. I, London: Archibald Constable and Company Limited, Vol. I, Appendix: The Pipe Rolls.
6. Joseph Bain, "Notes on the Trinitarian or Red Friars in Scotland, and on a Recently Discovered Charter of Alexander III. Confirming the Foundation of Houstoun by Cristiana Fraser, widow of Sir Roger de Moubray," Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries, 12 December 1887, pp. 26 et seq.
7. "Alexander II, King of Scotland," Dictionary of National Biography, New York: MacMillan and Co. (London: Smith, Elder & Co.), Vol. I (1885), pp. 261-264.
8. Joseph Stevenson, "Documents illustrative of the history of Scotland from the death of King Alexander the Third to the Accession of Robert Bruce," Edinburgh: H. M. General Register House, 1870 (Vol. I), 1870 (Vol. II).
9. Rev. Charles Moor, D.D., F.S.A., "Knights of Edward I," Pubs. of the Harleian Society, 1929-1930, 3 Vols. (Vols. 80-83 in series).
10. "Calendar of the Patent Rolls," preserved in the Public Record Office, Edward I. A.D. 1301-1307, London: for the Public Record Office, 1898, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
11. W. H. Bliss, ed., "Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and Ireland," Papal Letters, Vol. II (A.D. 1305 - 1342), London: for the Public Record Office, 1895, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
12. William Fraser, "The Red Book of Menteith," Edinburgh: 1880.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com, history and evidences concerning the Earls and Earldom of Mentieth.1

Family

Philip de Moubray

Citations

  1. [S2136] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Feb 2007: "Re: Philip Mowbray, Gov. of Stirling Castle"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Feb 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Feb 2007."

Christiana filia Waldevi (?)1

F, #68672
FatherWaldeve fitz Gospatric of Bolton and Bassenthwaite, co. Cumbs.1 d. a 1186
Last Edited7 Oct 2007
     Christiana filia Waldevi (?) married Duncan de Lascelles.1

Family

Duncan de Lascelles

Citations

  1. [S2136] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Feb 2007: "Re: Philip Mowbray, Gov. of Stirling Castle"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Feb 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Feb 2007."

William Foliot1

M, #68675, d. after 1129
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited23 Feb 2008
     William Foliot married Lady Agnes d'Arches of Appleton, daughter of Osbern d'Arches; her 3rd husband.1
William Foliot died after 1129.1
     GAV-26.

Family 2

Child

Citations

  1. [S2137] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007."

Herbert de St. Quinton1

M, #68676, d. 1369
Last Edited12 Oct 2008
     Herbert de St. Quinton married Lady Agnes d'Arches of Appleton, daughter of Osbern d'Arches; her 1st husband.1
Herbert de St. Quinton died in 1369.2

Citations

  1. [S2137] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007."
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Fitz Hugh 8: p. 324. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Richard Foliot1

M, #68677, d. before 25 July 1206
FatherJordan Foliot1 b. c 1120
MotherBeatrice (?)1
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited23 Feb 2008
     Richard Foliot married Beatrice Bardolf.1
Richard Foliot died before 25 July 1206.1
     GAV-24.

Family

Beatrice Bardolf
Child

Citations

  1. [S2137] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007."

Beatrice Bardolf1

F, #68678
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited23 Feb 2008
     Beatrice Bardolf married Richard Foliot, son of Jordan Foliot and Beatrice (?).1
     GAV-24.

Family

Richard Foliot d. b 25 Jul 1206
Child

Citations

  1. [S2137] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007."

Jordan Foliot1

M, #68679, b. circa 1120
FatherWilliam Foliot1 d. a 1129
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited23 Feb 2008
     Jordan Foliot married Beatrice (?)1 Jordan Foliot was born circa 1120.2
     GAV-25.

Jordan Foliot per Ravilious: "held three fees of Henry de Lacy of Pontefract in 1166."1

Family

Beatrice (?)
Children

Citations

  1. [S2137] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007."
  2. [S2139] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 14 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 14 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 14 Mar 2007."

Beatrice (?)1

F, #68680
Last Edited29 Apr 2018
     Beatrice (?) married Jordan Foliot, son of William Foliot.1

Family

Jordan Foliot b. c 1120
Children

Citations

  1. [S2137] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007."

Jordan Foliot1

M, #68681, b. circa 1150
FatherJordan Foliot1 b. c 1120
MotherBeatrice (?)1
Last Edited9 Oct 2007
     Jordan Foliot was born circa 1150.2

Citations

  1. [S2137] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007."
  2. [S2139] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 14 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 14 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 14 Mar 2007."

Henry Foliot1

M, #68682
FatherJordan Foliot1 b. c 1120
MotherBeatrice (?)1
Last Edited9 Oct 2007

Citations

  1. [S2137] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007."

William Foliot1

M, #68683, d. before 1166
FatherWilliam Foliot1 d. a 1129
MotherLady Agnes d'Arches of Appleton1
Last Edited9 Oct 2007
     William Foliot died before 1166.1
     He was living between 1143 and 1154.1

Citations

  1. [S2137] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007 : "Re: Foliot Notes and Query"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 Mar 2007."

Sir John de Harcla1

M, #68686, d. 1322
Father(?) de Harcla1
Last Edited14 Oct 2007
     Sir John de Harcla married Emerade (?)1
Sir John de Harcla died in 1322.1
     Sir John de Harcla Regarding the family of Sir Michael de Harcla, the Transactions, CWAAS article, "Sir Andrew de Harcla, earl of Carlisle," states that Andrew had at least five brothers;

1). William "who in 1278 is mentioned as son and heir to Michael, who served under Robert de Clifford in Edward 1st army at Falkirk in 1298. In 1286 he had been tried but acquitted of complicity in the murder of Nicholas de Hastings, the only one condemed being the man who shot the fatal arrow."

2). Sir John "who was a soldier like his brother Andrew and closely associated with him. He was deputy sheriff to him at one time, a knight bachelor in 1300 and died in 1322 leaving a widow Ermerade and a son and heir Andrew aged 3 years."

3). Michael "who was summoned as Magister Michael de Harcla (that is a cleric with a university degree) to the parliament of York on Nov. 14, 1322, "appointed thereto by the Bishop of Carlisle as one of his Procurators to appear on his behalf." In 1321 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat for peace with Bruce, but on his brother Andrew's arrest he fell under the King's suspicion and his goods were ordered seised on Feb. 1, 1323."

4). Sir James de Harcla and Henri his brother "both of whom died before August 6, 1324. "James de Harcla (who later became a knight) with Sir John de Harcla, Richard de Hoddelstone, Patrick de Culwenne, and 50 men-at-arms, were keeping the Castle of Carlisle in Nov. 1316 (during Sir Andrew's captivity) while Sir Robert de Leybourne (Andrew's brother-in-law) is keeping the town."

5). "Henri was a clerk in the holy orders; he was instituted Rector of Dacre in 1296, but was non-resident, a vicar being appointed with salary."

There were also at least two sisters;

6). Isabel "who married Richard le Fraunces also named de Vernon."

7). Sarah "wife and widow of the oft-mentioned Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland, who was, among other things, "Admiral of the Fleet on the Western sea of Scotland", and died in 1327 or 1328. It was Sarah who was empowered to collect the remains of Sir Andrew and commit them to "ecclesiastical sepulture," five years after his death." Source, Transactions, CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1929, article, Sir Andrew de Harcla, Earl of Carlisle, pgs. 99-101.

Sir Robert de Leybourne was also MP for Westmorland in 1315, and appointed the Governor of Egremont Castle in 1322, but was stripped of the position a year later. Sarah and Robert de Leybourne had a daughter Eleanor whom married Sir William de Laval, Knt. (of the Seaton Delavals).

Sarah supposedly was first married to Thomas de Musgrave of Musgrave in Westmorland, and had by him Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Knt. (? 1st Lord Musgrave, summoned to parliament in 1350) of Hartley in Westmorland whom married Margaret de Ros of Yolton in Yorkshire.

Can anyone confirm if Sarah de Harcla was indeed the mother of Sir Thomas de Musgrave of Hartley in Westmorland?1

Family

Emerade (?)
Child

Citations

  1. [S2144] Tim Cartmell, "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007: "Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007."

Emerade (?)1

F, #68687
Last Edited14 Oct 2007
     Emerade (?) married Sir John de Harcla, son of (?) de Harcla.1

Family

Sir John de Harcla d. 1322
Child

Citations

  1. [S2144] Tim Cartmell, "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007: "Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007."

Andrew de Harcla1

M, #68688, d. 1319
FatherSir John de Harcla1 d. 1322
MotherEmerade (?)1
Last Edited14 Oct 2007
     Andrew de Harcla died in 1319; aged 3 at his father's deathin 1322.1

Citations

  1. [S2144] Tim Cartmell, "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007: "Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007."

Sir James de Harcla1

M, #68689, d. before 6 August 1324
Father(?) de Harcla1
Last Edited14 Oct 2007
     Sir James de Harcla died before 6 August 1324.1
     Sir James de Harcla Regarding the family of Sir Michael de Harcla, the Transactions, CWAAS article, "Sir Andrew de Harcla, earl of Carlisle," states that Andrew had at least five brothers;

1). William "who in 1278 is mentioned as son and heir to Michael, who served under Robert de Clifford in Edward 1st army at Falkirk in 1298. In 1286 he had been tried but acquitted of complicity in the murder of Nicholas de Hastings, the only one condemed being the man who shot the fatal arrow."

2). Sir John "who was a soldier like his brother Andrew and closely associated with him. He was deputy sheriff to him at one time, a knight bachelor in 1300 and died in 1322 leaving a widow Ermerade and a son and heir Andrew aged 3 years."

3). Michael "who was summoned as Magister Michael de Harcla (that is a cleric with a university degree) to the parliament of York on Nov. 14, 1322, "appointed thereto by the Bishop of Carlisle as one of his Procurators to appear on his behalf." In 1321 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat for peace with Bruce, but on his brother Andrew's arrest he fell under the King's suspicion and his goods were ordered seised on Feb. 1, 1323."

4). Sir James de Harcla and Henri his brother "both of whom died before August 6, 1324. "James de Harcla (who later became a knight) with Sir John de Harcla, Richard de Hoddelstone, Patrick de Culwenne, and 50 men-at-arms, were keeping the Castle of Carlisle in Nov. 1316 (during Sir Andrew's captivity) while Sir Robert de Leybourne (Andrew's brother-in-law) is keeping the town."

5). "Henri was a clerk in the holy orders; he was instituted Rector of Dacre in 1296, but was non-resident, a vicar being appointed with salary."

There were also at least two sisters;

6). Isabel "who married Richard le Fraunces also named de Vernon."

7). Sarah "wife and widow of the oft-mentioned Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland, who was, among other things, "Admiral of the Fleet on the Western sea of Scotland", and died in 1327 or 1328. It was Sarah who was empowered to collect the remains of Sir Andrew and commit them to "ecclesiastical sepulture," five years after his death." Source, Transactions, CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1929, article, Sir Andrew de Harcla, Earl of Carlisle, pgs. 99-101.

Sir Robert de Leybourne was also MP for Westmorland in 1315, and appointed the Governor of Egremont Castle in 1322, but was stripped of the position a year later. Sarah and Robert de Leybourne had a daughter Eleanor whom married Sir William de Laval, Knt. (of the Seaton Delavals).

Sarah supposedly was first married to Thomas de Musgrave of Musgrave in Westmorland, and had by him Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Knt. (? 1st Lord Musgrave, summoned to parliament in 1350) of Hartley in Westmorland whom married Margaret de Ros of Yolton in Yorkshire.

Can anyone confirm if Sarah de Harcla was indeed the mother of Sir Thomas de Musgrave of Hartley in Westmorland?1

Citations

  1. [S2144] Tim Cartmell, "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007: "Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007."

Henri de Harcla1

M, #68690, d. before 6 August 1324
Father(?) de Harcla1
Last Edited14 Oct 2007
     Henri de Harcla died before 6 August 1324.1
     Henri de Harcla Regarding the family of Sir Michael de Harcla, the Transactions, CWAAS article, "Sir Andrew de Harcla, earl of Carlisle," states that Andrew had at least five brothers;

1). William "who in 1278 is mentioned as son and heir to Michael, who served under Robert de Clifford in Edward 1st army at Falkirk in 1298. In 1286 he had been tried but acquitted of complicity in the murder of Nicholas de Hastings, the only one condemed being the man who shot the fatal arrow."

2). Sir John "who was a soldier like his brother Andrew and closely associated with him. He was deputy sheriff to him at one time, a knight bachelor in 1300 and died in 1322 leaving a widow Ermerade and a son and heir Andrew aged 3 years."

3). Michael "who was summoned as Magister Michael de Harcla (that is a cleric with a university degree) to the parliament of York on Nov. 14, 1322, "appointed thereto by the Bishop of Carlisle as one of his Procurators to appear on his behalf." In 1321 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat for peace with Bruce, but on his brother Andrew's arrest he fell under the King's suspicion and his goods were ordered seised on Feb. 1, 1323."

4). Sir James de Harcla and Henri his brother "both of whom died before August 6, 1324. "James de Harcla (who later became a knight) with Sir John de Harcla, Richard de Hoddelstone, Patrick de Culwenne, and 50 men-at-arms, were keeping the Castle of Carlisle in Nov. 1316 (during Sir Andrew's captivity) while Sir Robert de Leybourne (Andrew's brother-in-law) is keeping the town."

5). "Henri was a clerk in the holy orders; he was instituted Rector of Dacre in 1296, but was non-resident, a vicar being appointed with salary."

There were also at least two sisters;

6). Isabel "who married Richard le Fraunces also named de Vernon."

7). Sarah "wife and widow of the oft-mentioned Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland, who was, among other things, "Admiral of the Fleet on the Western sea of Scotland", and died in 1327 or 1328. It was Sarah who was empowered to collect the remains of Sir Andrew and commit them to "ecclesiastical sepulture," five years after his death." Source, Transactions, CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1929, article, Sir Andrew de Harcla, Earl of Carlisle, pgs. 99-101.

Sir Robert de Leybourne was also MP for Westmorland in 1315, and appointed the Governor of Egremont Castle in 1322, but was stripped of the position a year later. Sarah and Robert de Leybourne had a daughter Eleanor whom married Sir William de Laval, Knt. (of the Seaton Delavals).

Sarah supposedly was first married to Thomas de Musgrave of Musgrave in Westmorland, and had by him Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Knt. (? 1st Lord Musgrave, summoned to parliament in 1350) of Hartley in Westmorland whom married Margaret de Ros of Yolton in Yorkshire.

Can anyone confirm if Sarah de Harcla was indeed the mother of Sir Thomas de Musgrave of Hartley in Westmorland?1

Citations

  1. [S2144] Tim Cartmell, "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007: "Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007."

(?) de Harcla1

M, #68691
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited14 Oct 2007
     (?) de Harcla Regarding the family of Sir Michael de Harcla, the Transactions, CWAAS article, "Sir Andrew de Harcla, earl of Carlisle," states that Andrew had at least five brothers;

1). William "who in 1278 is mentioned as son and heir to Michael, who served under Robert de Clifford in Edward 1st army at Falkirk in 1298. In 1286 he had been tried but acquitted of complicity in the murder of Nicholas de Hastings, the only one condemed being the man who shot the fatal arrow."

2). Sir John "who was a soldier like his brother Andrew and closely associated with him. He was deputy sheriff to him at one time, a knight bachelor in 1300 and died in 1322 leaving a widow Ermerade and a son and heir Andrew aged 3 years."

3). Michael "who was summoned as Magister Michael de Harcla (that is a cleric with a university degree) to the parliament of York on Nov. 14, 1322, "appointed thereto by the Bishop of Carlisle as one of his Procurators to appear on his behalf." In 1321 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat for peace with Bruce, but on his brother Andrew's arrest he fell under the King's suspicion and his goods were ordered seised on Feb. 1, 1323."

4). Sir James de Harcla and Henri his brother "both of whom died before August 6, 1324. "James de Harcla (who later became a knight) with Sir John de Harcla, Richard de Hoddelstone, Patrick de Culwenne, and 50 men-at-arms, were keeping the Castle of Carlisle in Nov. 1316 (during Sir Andrew's captivity) while Sir Robert de Leybourne (Andrew's brother-in-law) is keeping the town."

5). "Henri was a clerk in the holy orders; he was instituted Rector of Dacre in 1296, but was non-resident, a vicar being appointed with salary."

There were also at least two sisters;

6). Isabel "who married Richard le Fraunces also named de Vernon."

7). Sarah "wife and widow of the oft-mentioned Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland, who was, among other things, "Admiral of the Fleet on the Western sea of Scotland", and died in 1327 or 1328. It was Sarah who was empowered to collect the remains of Sir Andrew and commit them to "ecclesiastical sepulture," five years after his death." Source, Transactions, CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1929, article, Sir Andrew de Harcla, Earl of Carlisle, pgs. 99-101.

Sir Robert de Leybourne was also MP for Westmorland in 1315, and appointed the Governor of Egremont Castle in 1322, but was stripped of the position a year later. Sarah and Robert de Leybourne had a daughter Eleanor whom married Sir William de Laval, Knt. (of the Seaton Delavals).

Sarah supposedly was first married to Thomas de Musgrave of Musgrave in Westmorland, and had by him Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Knt. (? 1st Lord Musgrave, summoned to parliament in 1350) of Hartley in Westmorland whom married Margaret de Ros of Yolton in Yorkshire.

Can anyone confirm if Sarah de Harcla was indeed the mother of Sir Thomas de Musgrave of Hartley in Westmorland?1

Family

Children

Citations

  1. [S2144] Tim Cartmell, "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007: "Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007."

Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland1

M, #68693, d. between 1327 and 1328
Last Edited14 Oct 2007
     Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland married Sarah de Harcla, daughter of (?) de Harcla.1
Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland died between 1327 and 1328.1
     Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland Regarding the family of Sir Michael de Harcla, the Transactions, CWAAS article, "Sir Andrew de Harcla, earl of Carlisle," states that Andrew had at least five brothers;

1). William "who in 1278 is mentioned as son and heir to Michael, who served under Robert de Clifford in Edward 1st army at Falkirk in 1298. In 1286 he had been tried but acquitted of complicity in the murder of Nicholas de Hastings, the only one condemed being the man who shot the fatal arrow."

2). Sir John "who was a soldier like his brother Andrew and closely associated with him. He was deputy sheriff to him at one time, a knight bachelor in 1300 and died in 1322 leaving a widow Ermerade and a son and heir Andrew aged 3 years."

3). Michael "who was summoned as Magister Michael de Harcla (that is a cleric with a university degree) to the parliament of York on Nov. 14, 1322, "appointed thereto by the Bishop of Carlisle as one of his Procurators to appear on his behalf." In 1321 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat for peace with Bruce, but on his brother Andrew's arrest he fell under the King's suspicion and his goods were ordered seised on Feb. 1, 1323."

4). Sir James de Harcla and Henri his brother "both of whom died before August 6, 1324. "James de Harcla (who later became a knight) with Sir John de Harcla, Richard de Hoddelstone, Patrick de Culwenne, and 50 men-at-arms, were keeping the Castle of Carlisle in Nov. 1316 (during Sir Andrew's captivity) while Sir Robert de Leybourne (Andrew's brother-in-law) is keeping the town."

5). "Henri was a clerk in the holy orders; he was instituted Rector of Dacre in 1296, but was non-resident, a vicar being appointed with salary."

There were also at least two sisters;

6). Isabel "who married Richard le Fraunces also named de Vernon."

7). Sarah "wife and widow of the oft-mentioned Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland, who was, among other things, "Admiral of the Fleet on the Western sea of Scotland", and died in 1327 or 1328. It was Sarah who was empowered to collect the remains of Sir Andrew and commit them to "ecclesiastical sepulture," five years after his death." Source, Transactions, CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1929, article, Sir Andrew de Harcla, Earl of Carlisle, pgs. 99-101.

Sir Robert de Leybourne was also MP for Westmorland in 1315, and appointed the Governor of Egremont Castle in 1322, but was stripped of the position a year later. Sarah and Robert de Leybourne had a daughter Eleanor whom married Sir William de Laval, Knt. (of the Seaton Delavals).

Sarah supposedly was first married to Thomas de Musgrave of Musgrave in Westmorland, and had by him Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Knt. (? 1st Lord Musgrave, summoned to parliament in 1350) of Hartley in Westmorland whom married Margaret de Ros of Yolton in Yorkshire.

Can anyone confirm if Sarah de Harcla was indeed the mother of Sir Thomas de Musgrave of Hartley in Westmorland?1 He was Admiral of the Fleet on the Western sea of Scotland.1 He was MP for Westmorland in 1315.1

Family

Sarah de Harcla

Citations

  1. [S2144] Tim Cartmell, "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007: "Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Mar 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Cartmell email 25 Mar 2007."

Margaret Neville1,2,3

F, #68694, d. 17 October 1498
FatherRichard "The Kingmaker" Neville KG, 1st Earl of Warwick, 2nd Earl of Salisbury1,4,5 b. 22 Nov 1428, d. 14 Apr 1471
Last Edited25 Jan 2009
     Margaret Neville married Sir Richard Huddleston Knt., KB, of Blennerhasser and Upmanby, Cumberland, son of Sir John Huddleston of Millom, Cumberland and Mary Fenwick, before 1477; her 1st husband.1,6,3 Margaret Neville married Sir Lancelot Threlkeld Knt., KB, of Yanwath, Westmorland, son of Sir Lancelot Threlkeld Knt., of Threlkeld, Cumberland and Margaret Bromflete, before 1492; her 2nd husband; no children per Richardson.7
Margaret Neville died on 17 October 1498.1,7
     Margaret Neville per Verity: "illegitimate."1

Citations

  1. [S2145] Brad Verity, "Verity email 4 Apr 2007: "Descents From Edward III For 1st Baron Wenlock (1784-1852)"," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 4 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 4 Apr 2007."
  2. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Anne de Beauchamp: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023299&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Montagu 12.i: p. 512. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard Nevill 'the Kingmaker': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023298&tree=LEO
  5. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Montagu 12: pp. 511-512.
  6. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Hudleston: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023302&tree=LEO
  7. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Montagu 12.i: pp. 512-513.

Sir Richard Huddleston Knt., KB, of Blennerhasser and Upmanby, Cumberland1,2

M, #68695, b. 1440, d. 1485
FatherSir John Huddleston of Millom, Cumberland3,4,2 d. 1495
MotherMary Fenwick2
Last Edited25 Jan 2009
     Sir Richard Huddleston Knt., KB, of Blennerhasser and Upmanby, Cumberland was born in 1440.1 He married Margaret Neville, daughter of Richard "The Kingmaker" Neville KG, 1st Earl of Warwick, 2nd Earl of Salisbury, before 1477; her 1st husband.1,4,2
Sir Richard Huddleston Knt., KB, of Blennerhasser and Upmanby, Cumberland died in 1485 at Battle of Bosworth Field, Leicestershire, England; van de Pas says d. 1483.1,4,2
     Sir Richard Huddleston Knt., KB, of Blennerhasser and Upmanby, Cumberland van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Landed Gentry , Reference: 1175
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Q 114387
3. The Royal Lineage of Our Noble and Gentle Families, London, 1884, Foster, Joseph, Reference: 128.4

Family

Margaret Neville d. 17 Oct 1498

Citations

  1. [S2145] Brad Verity, "Verity email 4 Apr 2007: "Descents From Edward III For 1st Baron Wenlock (1784-1852)"," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 4 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 4 Apr 2007."
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Montagu 12.i: p. 512. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Hudleston, of Millom: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485066&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Hudleston: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023302&tree=LEO

Margery Conyers1

F, #68696, b. between 1460 and 1465, d. 1524
FatherSir John Conyers Knt., KG, of Hornby, Yorks1,2,3 d. 26 Jul 1469
MotherLady Alice Neville1,2,4 b. c 1437, d. b 11 Dec 1490
Last Edited24 Aug 2008
     Margery Conyers was born between 1460 and 1465.1 She married Sir William Bulmer of Wilton, Yorks. between 1483 and 1485.1
Margery Conyers died in 1524.1

Family

Sir William Bulmer of Wilton, Yorks. b. 1465, d. 1531

Citations

  1. [S2146] Brad Verity, "Verity email 27 Aug 2007: "Descents From Edward III For Anketil Bulmer (1634-1718)"," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 27 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 27 Aug 2007."
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Conyers 14: pp. 227-228. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Conyers: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108516&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Alice Neville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108517&tree=LEO

Sir William Bulmer of Wilton, Yorks.1

M, #68697, b. 1465, d. 1531
Last Edited23 Dec 2007
     Sir William Bulmer of Wilton, Yorks. was born in 1465.1 He married Margery Conyers, daughter of Sir John Conyers Knt., KG, of Hornby, Yorks and Lady Alice Neville, between 1483 and 1485.1
Sir William Bulmer of Wilton, Yorks. died in 1531.1

Family

Margery Conyers b. bt 1460 - 1465, d. 1524

Citations

  1. [S2146] Brad Verity, "Verity email 27 Aug 2007: "Descents From Edward III For Anketil Bulmer (1634-1718)"," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 27 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 27 Aug 2007."

Isabel Lambton1,2

F, #68698
FatherRobert Lambton of Lambton1,3,2
MotherFrances Eure1,4,2 d. a 1575
Last Edited26 Jan 2014
     Isabel Lambton married Sir Nicholas Tempest of Stella, 1st Baronet, son of Thomas Tempest and Elizabeth PLace.5
     Reference: van de Pas cites: The Complete Baronetage, London, 1983. , Cokayne, George Edward, Reference: I 217.2

Family

Sir Nicholas Tempest of Stella, 1st Baronet b. c 1553, d. 26 Mar 1626

Citations

  1. [S2146] Brad Verity, "Verity email 27 Aug 2007: "Descents From Edward III For Anketil Bulmer (1634-1718)"," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 27 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 27 Aug 2007."
  2. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel Lambton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00512471&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Lambton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00057898&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Frances Eure: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00057899&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Nicholas Tempest, of Stella: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00512470&tree=LEO

Sir Walter Vere1

M, #68699, b. 1405, d. 1487
FatherJohn de Vere1 b. 1387
Last Edited11 Nov 2007
     Sir Walter Vere married Lucia Bassett.1 Sir Walter Vere was born in 1405 at Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.1
Sir Walter Vere died in 1487 at Leicester, Leicestershire, England.1
     Sir Walter Vere per van de Pas: [quote]Someone sent me a fascinating genealogical lineage "produced using the Mormon Family Search PAF software". If this line holds then there may be additional lines for many Americans (and others :-) back to Henry II of England (4) and over 300 lines to Charlemagne

In this line is Sir Euseby Isham 1552/3-1626 who can be found in Gary Boyd Roberts' great book on American presidents as an ancestor of President Thomas Jefferson, however he is also an ancestor of John Marshall 4th Chief Justice of the USA, Thomas Mann Randolph Jr, Governor of Virginia, and General Robert E. Lee.

In this line there are about three generations in question.
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Burke's Extinct Peerage 1866, page 551 shows

Aubrey de Vere, Earl of Oxford married Alice FitzWalter and they had a daugher and two sons Richard his heir, and John d.s.p. 9th Henry V

But the lineage stands and falls on this John d.s.p.
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In the lineage this John was born in 1387 in Oxford, he is given a wife (but no name for her)
They had a son Sir Walter Vere born 1405 in Oxford, died 1487 in Leicester, he married Lucia Bassett.

They had a son Richard married to Isabella Greene and they had a daughter Ellen, who married Thomas Isham
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In Burke's Peerage 1999 page 1518 we find Thomas Isham who married Ellen Vere, daughter of Richard Vere, of Addington.

Can anyone advise whether John dsp really did dsp? Or did he have a son Walter?

With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


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Citations

  1. [S2147] Leo van de Pas, "van de Pas email 11 Nov 2007: "American multiplication - or pie in the sky?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 Nov 2007. Hereinafter cited as "van de Pas email 11 Nov 2007."

Lucia Bassett1

F, #68700
Last Edited11 Nov 2007
     Lucia Bassett married Sir Walter Vere, son of John de Vere.1
     Lucia Bassett per van de Pas: [quote]Someone sent me a fascinating genealogical lineage "produced using the Mormon Family Search PAF software". If this line holds then there may be additional lines for many Americans (and others :-) back to Henry II of England (4) and over 300 lines to Charlemagne

In this line is Sir Euseby Isham 1552/3-1626 who can be found in Gary Boyd Roberts' great book on American presidents as an ancestor of President Thomas Jefferson, however he is also an ancestor of John Marshall 4th Chief Justice of the USA, Thomas Mann Randolph Jr, Governor of Virginia, and General Robert E. Lee.

In this line there are about three generations in question.
-----------------------------------------------
Burke's Extinct Peerage 1866, page 551 shows

Aubrey de Vere, Earl of Oxford married Alice FitzWalter and they had a daugher and two sons Richard his heir, and John d.s.p. 9th Henry V

But the lineage stands and falls on this John d.s.p.
---------------------------------------------------------
In the lineage this John was born in 1387 in Oxford, he is given a wife (but no name for her)
They had a son Sir Walter Vere born 1405 in Oxford, died 1487 in Leicester, he married Lucia Bassett.

They had a son Richard married to Isabella Greene and they had a daughter Ellen, who married Thomas Isham
---------------------------------------------------------
In Burke's Peerage 1999 page 1518 we find Thomas Isham who married Ellen Vere, daughter of Richard Vere, of Addington.

Can anyone advise whether John dsp really did dsp? Or did he have a son Walter?

With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


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Family

Sir Walter Vere b. 1405, d. 1487
Child

Citations

  1. [S2147] Leo van de Pas, "van de Pas email 11 Nov 2007: "American multiplication - or pie in the sky?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 Nov 2007. Hereinafter cited as "van de Pas email 11 Nov 2007."