Geoffrey de Vere Lord of Clun1,2

M, #14851, d. 1170
FatherAubrey II de Vere of Great Addington & Drayton, co. Northampton2 b. b 1090, d. 15 May 1141
MotherAlice (Adeliza) Fitz Gilbert de Clare2 d. c 1166
Last Edited17 Sep 2001
     Geoffrey de Vere Lord of Clun married unknown (?)2
Geoffrey de Vere Lord of Clun died in 1170.2 He married Isabel de Say, daughter of Elias de Say Lord of Clun, before 1186.1,3

Family 1

unknown (?)

Family 2

Isabel de Say d. c 1199

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 86, FITZ ALAN 5. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), pp. 251-252, de VERE of Oxford 2:ii.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

William Boterel1

M, #14852, d. 1209
FatherWilliam Boterel2
MotherAlicia Corbet2 d. b 1149
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited3 Dec 2004
     William Boterel married Isabel de Say, daughter of Elias de Say Lord of Clun, before 1188; her 3rd husband.1,3
William Boterel died in 1209.2
     William Boterel William Boterel
----------------------------------------
Death: 1209[12]

held 12 knights' fees of the Earl of Cornwall, 1166
(DD, p. 182)[12]

3rd husband of Isabel de Say [ancestress of the Earls of Arundel]
(she m. previously William fitz Alan)

Spouse: Isabel de Say
Father: Elias de Say, of Clun, co. Salop.
Marr: aft 1170[12]

Children: William (-1242)
SOURCES

12. K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants," The Boydell
Press, Woodbridge, 2002, cited by Rosie Bevan, 'Re: de
Stuteville' Jul 2, 2002, p. 723 (Osmund de Stuteville), full
title: Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons,
Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae
Baronum.2 GAV-25.

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 86, FITZ ALAN 5. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1629] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 April 2004: "CP Addition: Ancestry of the Lords Botreaux"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Apr 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 April 2004."
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry1

M, #14853, d. 1160
FatherAlan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry2,3
MotherAveline (?) de Hesdin3,4
ReferenceGAV24 EDV24
Last Edited9 Apr 2004
     William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry married Christian (?)3 William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry married Isabel de Say, daughter of Elias de Say Lord of Clun.3
William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry died in 1160.1
     GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-25.

William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry William fitz Alan, feudal Baron of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire and Castellan of Shrewsbury in 1138, when he was besieged in Shrewsbury Castle by KING STEPHEN but escaped, was with the EMPRESS MAUD at the siege of Winchester 1141, and was restored to his lands by her s HENRY II 1155, when he also set about recovering the Barony of Oswestry that had been retaken from his family by the Welsh under Madoc ap Maredudd, founded Haughmond Abbey, and d 1160. He m 1st, Christian (called by Ordeirc Vitalis a niece of Robert fitz Roy, Earl of Gloucester, natural s of KING HENRY I), and by her had a dau Christian (who m Hugh Pantulf). He m 2nd Isabel (who m 2nd before 11866 Geoffrey de Vere; and 3rd before 1188 William Boterel, and d c 1199), heiress of the Honour of Clun, dau of Elias de Say, Ld of Clun, and by her had a son.3

William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry lived at Oswestry, Shropshire, England.3

Family 2

Isabel de Say d. c 1199
Child

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 86, FITZ ALAN 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 3.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aveline de Hesdin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046344&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.

Christiana Fitz Alan1

F, #14854
FatherWilliam Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry1,2 d. 1160
MotherChristian (?)2
Last Edited24 Nov 2002
     Christiana Fitz Alan married Hugh Pantulph in 1170.3

Family

Hugh Pantulph d. b 28 Dec 1224

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 86, FITZ ALAN 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), p. 86, FITZ ALAN 4:ii.

Hugh Pantulph1,2

M, #14855, d. before 28 December 1224
Last Edited10 Sep 2001
     Hugh Pantulph married Christiana Fitz Alan, daughter of William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry and Christian (?), in 1170.1
Hugh Pantulph died before 28 December 1224.2

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 86, FITZ ALAN 4:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), p. 191 PANTULPH 4.

Alan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry1,2

M, #14856
FatherFleald Fitz Alan3,2 b. b 1080, d. a 1101
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited24 Nov 2002
     Alan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry married Aveline (?) de Hesdin, daughter of Arnulf (?) Seigneur de Hesdin and Emmelina (?).2,4
     GAV-25 EDV-25 GKJ-26.

Alan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry ALAN fitz Flaald, feudal Baron of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire (Vicecomes for the King) from 1101, was high in favour with KING HENRY I, whom he may have aided with other Bretons when HENRY was besieged in Mont St Michel in 1091. He founded Sporle Priory in Norfolk as a cell of St Florent before 1122; m Aveline, dau of Arnulf, seigneur de Hesdin in Picardy, who held great estates in England at the time of Domesday Book in 1086, and had issue.2

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 3:iii.
  4. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aveline de Hesdin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046344&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  5. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 3:i.

Jordan Fitz Alan1

M, #14857, b. before 1130
FatherAlan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry1
MotherAveline (?) de Hesdin2,3
Last Edited9 Apr 2004
     Jordan Fitz Alan married Mary (?)1,2 Jordan Fitz Alan was born before 1130.1
     Jordan Fitz Alan Jordan, hereditary Steward of Dol, "a valiant and illustrious man'' according to his agreement with the Abbot of Marmoutier to whom he made restitution in 1130 after a disagreement; m Mary, and left two sons.2

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 3:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aveline de Hesdin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046344&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.

Mary (?)1

F, #14858
Last Edited28 Aug 2001

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 3:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland1,2

M, #14859, d. 1177
FatherAlan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry1
MotherAveline (?) de Hesdin2,3
ReferenceGAV25 EDV24
Last Edited11 Sep 2007
     Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland married Eschina of Huntlaw (?), daughter of Thomas de Molle of London.1,2
Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland died in 1177.4
     Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland WALTER FITZ ALAN, 1ST GREAT STEWARD OF SCOTLAND, was granted that hereditary office (the greatest under the Scottish Crown) with vast estates by KING DAVID I (1124-1153), founded Paisley Priory for Cuniac monks, c 1163, and was made a lay bro of the Benedictine Order, repelled an invasion of Renfrewshire by the Islesmen 1164; and d 1177. He m Eschyne de Molle (widow of Robert de Croc), probably dau of Thomas of the Lundins and sis of Malcolm, 1st hereditary Doorward of Scotland, and by her left issue.2 GAV-25 EDV-24.

Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland Following the death of King Alexander III in 1286, a period of
uncertainty ensued in Scotland which (one could argue) lasted until
the Scots victory at Bannockburn in June 1314. Early in this
period Robert de Brus, lord of Annandale and "next in line" (so he
thought) to the Scots throne after Alexander's infant granddaughter
in Norway, sought to protect his present position and future
possibilities by entering into an agreement with a number of Scots
and Irish magnates, thereafter frequently referred to as the
"Turnberry Band".

Politically, the agreement at Turnberry has been the subject of
much discussion and debate. In genealogical terms, the agreement
merits some reconsideration given the evidence recently discussed
concerning the relationships of the Earls of Dunbar to the Bruce
Lords of Annandale and others [1].

The following is an accurate, if abbreviated, rendering of the
agreement (the full Latin text will follow in a 2nd post):

" Bond by Patrick Earl of Dunbar, Patrick, John, and
Alexander his sons, Walter Stewart, Earl of Menteith,
Alexander and John his sons, Robert of Bruce, Lord of
Annandale, and Robert of Bruce, Earl of Carrick, and
Richard of Bruce his sons, James, Steward of Scotland,
and John his brother, Enegus, son of Dovenald, and
Alexander his lawful son, whereby they engage to adhere
to Sir Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster, and Sir Thomas
of Clare in all their affairs, and to stand faithfully
by them and their accomplices against all their
adversaries, saving their fidelity to the King of
England, and also to him who should obtain the kingdom
of Scotland by reason of relationship to Alexander
King of Scotland last deceased.
At Turnebyry in Carrick, on the eve of St.
Matthew, 20th September 1286.... " [2]

The following chart reflects the common descent of all the
Scots lords who agreed to this bond from Walter fitz Alan the
Steward (d. 1177). In fact, Patrick, Earl of Dunbar and Robert de
Brus, lord of Annandale are shown to have been 1st cousins: they
were also 2nd cousins 1x removed, by common descent from Henry of
Scotland, Earl of Northumberland and Huntingdon (d. 1152) and Ada
de Warenne. Walter le Stewart, Earl of Menteith was their 2nd
cousin: James le Stewart and his brother John (later of Bonkil),
and Angus 'Mor' mac Donald of the Isles, were nephews of Earl
Walter.


Walter fitz Alan = Eschina
steward of K David I I
_______________I______________
I I
William = Cristina (= <2> Patrick Alan fitz Walter
de Brus I of Dunbar) le Steward (d. 1204)
I I
__________I_____ I
I I I
Euphemia Robert Walter fitz Alan
= Patrick de Brus le Steward (d. 1241)
E of Dunbar = Isabel of I
d. 1232 Huntingdon I
I I ______ _________I____________
I I I I I I I
PATRICK ROBERT = Isabel I Alexander WALTER NN (dau)
E of Dunbar Lord of I de I le E of = Donald
= Cecilia Annandale I Clare I Steward Menteith of the
filia Joh. d. 1295 I ___I d. 1283 I Isles
I I I I I I
__I_____ ________I Richard ___I_ ____I____ I
I I I I I I I I I I
PATRICK I ROBERT I THOMAS JAMES I ALEXANDER I ANGUS
E of I Carrick I Clare Steward I E of I Donald
Dunbar> I I = Egidia I Menteith> I d. 1296
___I_ ____I ______I ________I ____I___
I I I I I I I
JOHN I RICHARD JOHN JOHN de ALEXANDER I
_____I de Brus le Steward Menteith I
I (of Bonkil) ______I
ALEXANDER I
Angus Og
mac Donald


Although inadequately reflected, the Irish lords involved in
the "Band" were closely linked if not related by this common
Stewart descent. Thomas de Clare, of Inchiquin and Youghal, was
the nephew of Robert de Brus' wife Isabel de Clare, and a first
cousin of his sons Robert and Richard (namesake of Thomas' father
Richard de Clare). Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster (d. 1326), was
the brother of Egidia (or Giles) de Burgh, the wife of James le
Stewart.

Certainly the earls and lords who bound themselves by this
agreement had their own particular interests at heart. The parts
they would play in the subsequent history of Scotland range from
the heroic (Sir John Stewart's death in 1298 as a captain at the
Battle of Falkirk, fighting together with William Wallace comes to
mind) to the infamous (John de Menteith is the Sir John who
subsequently captured William Wallace in 1305, turning him over to
English justice). However, we can now see that this group was
more closely related than was previously understood, which
provides a new perspective for further study of the Turnberry Band
and other aspects of this period.

Cheers,

John *


NOTES

[1] See SGM threads: <: CP Correction: Cristina, 2nd wife of
Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1232)>, wife of Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1248)> and Cecilia, wife of Patrick, Earl of Dunbar>, 29 October 2004. An
ahnentafel for Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1308) is given in
the SGM thread , 1
November 2004.

[2] The Red Book of Menteith II:xxxi, No. 12. The Latin text
(to be provided in a followup post) is found at II:219-220
[also in Bain's Historical Documents Pertaining to Scotland I:22]


* John P. Ravilious.5

Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland made the hereditary Great Steward of Scotland by David I, and was ancestor of the Stewarts.1 He was 1st Great Steward of Scotland circa 1163.2

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 3:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aveline de Hesdin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046344&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1776] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 30 Oct 2004 "CP Correction: Cristina, 2nd wife of Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1232)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 30 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 30 Oct 2004."
  5. [S1826] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004 "The 'Turnberry Band' : A Genealogical Perspective"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Nov 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004."
  6. [S2086] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006: "re: Eupheme de Brus"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 5 Aug 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006."

Eschina of Huntlaw (?)1

F, #14860
FatherThomas de Molle of London2,3
ReferenceGAV25 EDV24
Last Edited11 Sep 2007
     Eschina of Huntlaw (?) married Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland, son of Alan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry and Aveline (?) de Hesdin.4,2 Eschina of Huntlaw (?) married Robert de Croc.4,2
     GAV-25 EDV-24.

Eschina of Huntlaw (?) (widow of Robert de Croc), probably dau of Thomas of the Lundins and sis of Malcolm, 1st hereditary Doorward of Scotland.2 Eschina of Huntlaw (?) was also known as Eschyne de Molle.4

Family 1

Robert de Croc

Citations

  1. [S2086] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006: "re: Eupheme de Brus"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 5 Aug 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 5 Aug 2006."
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, thomas de Molle, of London: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006183&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 3:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  5. [S1776] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 30 Oct 2004 "CP Correction: Cristina, 2nd wife of Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1232)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 30 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 30 Oct 2004."
  6. [S1826] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004 "The 'Turnberry Band' : A Genealogical Perspective"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Nov 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004."

Fleald Fitz Alan1

M, #14862, b. before 1080, d. after 1101
FatherAlan (?)2,3 b. b 1045
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited24 Nov 2002
     Fleald Fitz Alan was born before 1080.4
Fleald Fitz Alan died after 1101.4
     GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-27.

Fleald Fitz Alan FLAALD, hereditary Steward of Dol, consented before 1080 to a grant of land by his elder bro Alan to the Abbey of St Florent, was on the Welsh border c 1101; and was s by his son, ALAN fitz Flaald.3

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 1.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 3:iii.

Alan (?)1

M, #14863, b. before 1045
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited24 Nov 2002
     Alan (?) was born before 1045.1
     Alan (?) ALAN, a Breton noble, living c 1045, was hereditary Steward of Dol in Britanny, and had three sons.2

Alan (?) Stuart Lineage: The historic House of Stuart or Stewart take their surname from their mediaeval office of hereditary Great Steward of Scotland, which is still held by their descendant in the female line, HRH PRINCE CHARLES. Before they came to Scotland, the family were noble Bretons, hereditary Stewards of Dol nine centuries ago, and were connected with the Counts of Dol and Dinan who were a branch of the ancient ruling dynasty of Britanny. So they were probably ultimately Ancient Britons in origin: and it is perhaps fitting that the family gave the first monarchs to united Great Britain.

They became Kings of Scots in 1371, and were Sovereigns of England and Ireland as well, 1603-1715; while various branches of their male line (whether lawful or natural, and assuming several surnames) have held the Principality of Wales and the English dukedoms of Cornwall, York, Gloucester, Cambridge, Kendal, Monmouth, Cleveland, Southampton, Northumberland and Berwick, as also the ancient Earldoms of Arundel and Surrey, the Irish Earldom of Blesington and also the Ld Lieutenantcy of Ireland, the Scottish dukedoms of Rothesay, Albany, Ross and Lennox, and the Marquisate of Ormond (the first four dukes and the first marquis ever cr in Scotland being all Stuarts), the Scots earldoms of Fife, Atholl, Mar, Angus, Strathearn, Caithness, March, Buchan Menteith, Orkeny Carrick, Bothwell, Arran and Traquair, the French dukedoms of Touraine and FitzJames (as Peers of France) and the Counties of Beaumont-le-Roger, Boulogne, Auvergne and Evreux (a Stuart was Constable of France and several became Marshals of France), the Italian duchy of Terranuova and the Viceroyalty of Naples, the Spanish dukedoms of Alba, Veragua, Arjona, Montoro, Huescar, Galisteo, Liria and Xerica (many Stuarts were Grandees of Spain of the First Class), with the County-Duchy of Olivares, the county of Montijo and many other marquisates and counties, also the hereditary offices of Admiral of the Indies and Grand Constable of Navarre. They have received three Cardinal's hats, and have given two Prime Ministers to Great Britain; while many members of their race have been Knights of the Garter and of the Golden Fleece, as also of the Thistle which they founded.

Branches of their male line (mostly illegitimate) still hold the English dukedoms of Richmond, Grafton and St Albans, the British marquessate of Bute, earldom of Wharncliffe and barony of Southampton, the United Kingdom dukedom of Gordon, viscountcies of Daventry and Stuart of Findhorn and barony of Montagu, the Irish earldom of Castle Stewart, the Scottish Dukedoms of Buccleuch, Lennox, and Queensberry, also earldoms of Galloway and Moray, the French dukedom of Aubigny and the Spanish dukedom of Penaranda; besides several baronetcies. The present Earl of Moray descends in the male line from Robert Stuart, Duke of Albany, Regent of Scotland 1388-1420, yr s of KING ROBERT II, and has inherited his Stuart earldom in the female line through the heiress of James Stuart, Earl of Moray, Regent of Scotland 1567-1570, natural s of KING JAMES V .2 GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28.

Alan (?) hereditary steward of Dol in Brittany.1

Family

Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 1:i.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 1:iii.

Alan Fitz Alan1

M, #14864, d. 1097
FatherAlan (?)1,2 b. b 1045
Last Edited24 Nov 2002
     Alan Fitz Alan died in 1097; probably died during the First Crusade, of which he was a leader.1
     Alan Fitz Alan Alan, hereditary Steward of Dol, was one of the leaders of the First Crusade, 1097, on which he probably perished.2

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 1:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Rhiwallon Fitz Alan1,2

M, #14865
FatherAlan (?)1 b. b 1045
Last Edited24 Nov 2002
     Rhiwallon Fitz Alan lived at St. Florent at Saumur, Brittany, France; monk.2

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 85, FITZ ALAN 1:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Perronelle (?)1

F, #14866
ReferenceGAV24 EDV24
Last Edited1 Aug 2009
     Perronelle (?) married Robert Fitz Piers, son of Piers de Lutegareshale and Maud de Mandeville Lady of Costow, Wiltshire; her 1st husband.1,2 Perronelle (?) married Eustace/Enetau de Baliol 4th Baron of Bywell, son of Bernard II de Baliol 3rd Baron of Bywell and Agnes de Picquigny, circa October 1198.1,2
     Perronelle (?) "...the widow of Robert Fitzpiers."3 GAV-24 EDV-24. Perronelle (?) was also known as Petronille (?)4,3

Family 1

Robert Fitz Piers b. c 1160, d. a 1185

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 87, Fitz GEOFFREY 1:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Baliol.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Extinct Peerages, p. 21. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31318

Alexander de Baliol Lord Baliol1

M, #14867, d. 1279
FatherSir John I de Baliol Knt., of Barnard Castle, Regent of Scotland1 b. c 1212, d. bt 24 Nov 1268 - 12 Oct 1269
MotherDevorguilla Galloway1 b. c 1218, d. bt 28 Jan 1289 - 1290
Last Edited31 Mar 2003
     Alexander de Baliol Lord Baliol married Eleanor de Genoure.1
Alexander de Baliol Lord Baliol died in 1279; dsp.1
     Alexander de Baliol Lord Baliol The barony inhereited by this fedal lord consisted of more than five-and-twenty extensive lorships.1

Family

Eleanor de Genoure

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Extinct Peerages, p. 21. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

William de Boclande1

M, #14869, d. before 15 April 1216
FatherHugh de Boclande of Buckland1 d. a 1176
MotherMaud de Mandeville Lady of Costow, Wiltshire1 b. c 1138, d. a 1176
Last Edited28 Aug 2001
     William de Boclande married Maud de Say, daughter of William de Say of Kimbolton.1,2
William de Boclande died before 15 April 1216.1

Family

Maud de Say d. b 28 Mar 1222

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 87, Fitz GEOFFREY 1:iv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Maud de Say1,2

F, #14870, d. before 28 March 1222
FatherWilliam de Say of Kimbolton2 d. b 1 Aug 1177
Last Edited28 Dec 2002
     Maud de Say married William de Boclande, son of Hugh de Boclande of Buckland and Maud de Mandeville Lady of Costow, Wiltshire.1,2
Maud de Say died before 28 March 1222.1,2
     Maud de Say Maud; m William de Boclande (of Buckland), half-bro of her sis's husb, and d just prior to 28 March 1222, having had three daus.2

Family

William de Boclande d. b 15 Apr 1216

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 87, Fitz GEOFFREY 1:iv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say1

M, #14871, b. 17 June 1314, d. before 7 August 1375
FatherGeoffrey (IV) de Say 2nd Lord Say, Baron of West Greenwich, Kent1 b. 30 Apr 1305, d. 26 Jun 1359
MotherLady Maud de Beauchamp1 d. 28 Jul 1369
Last Edited11 Dec 2012
     Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say married Beatrice de Brewes, daughter of Sir Thomas de Brewes Knt., Lorde Brewes, of Tetbury, Gloucestershire, ec.1,2 Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say was born on 17 June 1314.1
Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say died before 7 August 1375.1
     Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say WILLIAM de SAY, 3rd LORD (Baron) SAY; b 17 June 1314; ktd Oct 1361; m Beatrice de Brewes, dau of 1st and last (no descendant of his was summoned to Parl in this so-called peerage) Lord (Baron) Breouse/Brewes/Brewose, and d by 7 Aug 1375.1 He was 3rd LORD (Baron) SAY.1

Family

Beatrice de Brewes
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Norfolk 6.i: p. 551. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Gregory Cromwell KB, 1st Baron Cromwell1,2,3,4

M, #14872, b. after 1516, d. 4 July 1551
FatherThomas Cromwell Earl of Essex, 1st Lord Cromwell, Baron Cromwell of Okeham1,2,3,4 d. 24 Jul 1540
MotherElizabeth Wykes3,4
Last Edited12 Dec 2012
     Gregory Cromwell KB, 1st Baron Cromwell was born after 1516; van de Pas says b. 1513.3,4 He married Elizabeth Seymour, daughter of Sir John Seymour Knt., KB, of Wolf Hall, Wiltshire and Margaret (Margery) Wentworth, before 1538.1,5,6,3,7,8
Gregory Cromwell KB, 1st Baron Cromwell died on 4 July 1551 at Launde, Leicestershire, England.9,3,4,8
     Gregory Cromwell KB, 1st Baron Cromwell van de Pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 146
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: III 557
3. Descendants of Elizabeth Cheyne, 2008 , Bradley, Hal.4

Gregory Cromwell KB, 1st Baron Cromwell per van de Pas: "Only son and heir of Thomas Cromwell, Earl of Essex, and Elizabeth Wykes, Gregory Cromwell in 1528 was educated at Cambridge, probably at Pembroke Hall, whence his tutor , John Chekyng writes, 27 July 1528 to his father, that Gregory 'is rather slow but diligent'. Gregory Cromwell and Elizabeth Seymour married before 1538. Elizabeth Seymour, was the widow of Sir Anthony Ughtred and daughter of Sir John Seymour of Wolf Hall and Margery Wentworth as well sister of Jane Seymour who would become the wife of King Henry VIII and of Edward Seymour the future Lord Protector of England. Gregory and Elizabeth had five children.

On 29 June 1540 a bill of _attainder_ against his father passed both houses, whereby all his honours were forfeited. Thomas Cromwell was condemned to death without trial, and executed 28 July 1540, on Tower Hill, declaring that he died 'in the catholic faith'.

About five months after his father's death, 18 December 1540, Gregory was created Baron Cromwell. He was one of the forty knights created K. B. on 20 February 1547 at the coronation of Edward VI. Edward VI granted Gregory the manor of Liddington, Rutland.

Gregory Cromwell died 4 July 1551 at Launde and was buried at Launde Abbey. His widow married John Paulet, 2nd Marquess of Winchester. After her death, before 9 June 1563, she was buried in Basing Church."4 He was 1st Baron Cromwell on 18 December 1540.10,6,3

Family

Elizabeth Seymour b. 1509, d. b 9 Jun 1563
Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Somerset Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cromwell - Baron Cromwell of Okeham, co. Rutland, Earl of Essex, p. 146. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Cromwell 15: p. 247. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S1490] Leo van de Pas Web Site "Leo's Genealogics Website", online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gregory Cromwell: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00052566&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Leo's Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Winchester Family Page.
  6. [S1429] Notable British Families, Notable British Families CD # 367, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cromwell - Barons Cromwell and Earls of Ardglass, pp. 146-7.
  7. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Seymour: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00052567&tree=LEO
  8. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Paulet 16: pp. 572-3.
  9. [S1429] Notable British Families, Notable British Families CD # 367, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Cromwell - Barons Cromwell and Earls of Ardglass, p. 147.
  10. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Cromwell Family Page.
  11. [S1490] Leo's Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry Cromwell: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00052557&tree=LEO

Maud Fitz Wauter1,2

F, #14873, d. before 26 January 1213
FatherRobert Fitz Walter de Clare feudal Lord of Woodham Walter2,3 d. 9 Dec 1235
MotherGunnor de Valognes2,3
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     Maud Fitz Wauter married Geoffrey de Mandeville 5th Earl of Essex, son of Geoffrey Fitz Piers 4th Earl of Essex and Beatrice de Say; his 1st wife.1,2,3
Maud Fitz Wauter died before 26 January 1213.2
     Maud Fitz Wauter Maud fitz Walter - Death:     bef 26 Jan 1213[5], 1st daughter, and coheiress of her mother; lst wife of Geoffrey de Mandeville[5]
Spouse:     Geoffrey de Mandeville
Death:     23 Feb 1215, London (jousting accident)[5]
Father:     Geoffrey FitzPiers (-1213)
Mother:     Beatrix de Say (-<1197)
Sources:
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.2

Maud Fitz Wauter Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.2 Maud Fitz Wauter was also known as Maud fitz Robert.3 Maud Fitz Wauter was also known as Maud fitz Walter.2

Family

Geoffrey de Mandeville 5th Earl of Essex b. c 1168, d. 23 Feb 1215

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 87-88, Fitz GEOFFREY 2:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  3. [S1784] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 29 July 2005 "Descendants of Sir Richard de Lucy and Rohese of Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 29 July 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 29 July 2005."

Thomas de Burgh1

M, #14874
FatherSir Thomas de Burgh KG, 1st Lord Borough of Gainsborough1 b. c 1431, d. bt 18 Mar 1495 - 1496
MotherMargaret de Ros1 d. 10 Dec 1488
Last Edited20 Apr 2003

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Burgh - Barons Burgh, or Borough, of Gainsborough co. Lincoln, p. 90. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Christian fitz Robert1,2

F, #14875, d. circa 17 June 1232
FatherRobert Fitz Walter de Clare feudal Lord of Woodham Walter1,2 d. 9 Dec 1235
MotherGunnor de Valognes1,2
Last Edited23 Nov 2012
     Christian fitz Robert married William fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville 6th Earl of Essex, son of Geoffrey Fitz Piers 4th Earl of Essex and Beatrice de Say, before 18 November 1220; her 1st husband.3,1,2 Christian fitz Robert married Raymond de Burgh before 15 May 1227; her 2nd husband.3,1,2
Christian fitz Robert died circa 17 June 1232; dsp.1,2
     Christian fitz Robert Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.1

Christian fitz Robert Christian fitz Robert - Death:     1232, d.s.p.[7], 2nd daughter, and coheiress of her mother. her heir was her half-brother Walter FitzRobert[7]
she m. 1stly William de Mandeville,
2ndly Raymond de Burgh[7]
Spouse:     William FitzGeoffrey
Death:     bef 3 Jun 1227, d.s.p.[5]
Father:     Geoffrey FitzPiers (-1213)
Mother:     Beatrix de Say (-<1197)
Sources:
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).1
Christian fitz Robert was also known as Christine/Christian Fitz Wauter.3,4,1

Family 2

Raymond de Burgh d. 1 Jul 1230

Citations

  1. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  2. [S1784] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 29 July 2005 "Descendants of Sir Richard de Lucy and Rohese of Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 29 July 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 29 July 2005."
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 87-88, Fitz GEOFFREY 2:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  4. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Extinct Peerages, p. 21. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Raymond de Burgh1

M, #14876, d. 1 July 1230
Last Edited4 Sep 2005
     Raymond de Burgh married Christian fitz Robert, daughter of Robert Fitz Walter de Clare feudal Lord of Woodham Walter and Gunnor de Valognes, before 15 May 1227; her 2nd husband.1,2,3
Raymond de Burgh died on 1 July 1230.3

Family

Christian fitz Robert d. c 17 Jun 1232

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 87-88, Fitz GEOFFREY 2:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1639] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 May 2004: "Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 May 2004."
  3. [S1784] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 29 July 2005 "Descendants of Sir Richard de Lucy and Rohese of Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 29 July 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 29 July 2005."

Henry de Mandeville Dean of Wolverhampton, co. Stafford1

M, #14877
FatherGeoffrey Fitz Piers 4th Earl of Essex1 b. c 1166, d. 14 Oct 1213
MotherBeatrice de Say1 d. b 19 Apr 1197
Last Edited28 Aug 2001

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 87-88, Fitz GEOFFREY 2:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).

Margaret Fitz Piers1

F, #14878
FatherGeoffrey Fitz Piers 4th Earl of Essex1 b. c 1166, d. 14 Oct 1213
MotherAveline de Clare of Hereford1 d. b 4 Jun 1225
Last Edited28 Aug 2001

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 87-88, Fitz GEOFFREY 2:viii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).

Richard Fitz John 2nd Lord Fitz-John1,2

M, #14879, d. before 7 May 1301
FatherSir John Fitz Geoffrey1 b. c 1215, d. 23 Nov 1258
MotherIsabel (Isabella) Le Bigod1 b. 1210
Last Edited7 Jun 2003
     Richard Fitz John 2nd Lord Fitz-John married Emma (?)1
Richard Fitz John 2nd Lord Fitz-John died before 7 May 1301; dsp.1,2

Family

Emma (?)

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 88, Fitz GEOFFREY 3:iv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer, Med English Ancestors (2001).
  2. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Fitz-John - Barons Fitz-John, p. 208-9. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.