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     Elizabeth Bullock was born on 21 December 1782 at Burlington Co., New Jersey, USA.¹ She married David Taylor on 13 February 1806 at Upper Springfield, Burlington Co., New Jersey, USA.¹

Elizabeth Bullock died on 30 November 1834 at age 51.¹
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     Hannah Bunting was born circa 1817.¹
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     Susan Deacon Woolman was born circa 1812.¹ She married John Bullock Taylor, son of David Taylor and Elizabeth Bullock, on 27 September 1832.¹

Susan Deacon Woolman died on 17 April 1852.¹
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     Francis Aaronson was born on 15 March 1854.¹
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      ; per Powys-Lybbe: [quote] In message of 26 Jan, "John P. Ravilious" wrote:

> > I've not seen the article: much of Clay's work I've used (re:
> > Thornhill and others) comes from "Early Yorkshire Families".

Yes, Clay refers to this Thornhill article in his Early Yorkshire
Families which prompted me to search it out.

> > The pedigree as you lay it out agrees in almost all regards with
> > what I have, minus a sibling or two. I note the following, the second
> > of which is of greater promise:
> >
> > A. Jordan fitz Essulf had a son Jordan, most likely an elder son, who
> > either ob.v.p. or has been conflated over time with his father; the
> > pedigree is sound genealogically, as the ultimate successor was Jordan
> > fitz Essulf's son, " (3) Richard de Thornhill ( - <1209)". The
> > following is what I have re: Jordan de Thornhill, son of Jordan (the
> > second item is not so clear as to which individual is intended):
> >
> > grant dated c1199-c1216:
> > ' Grant by William, son of Pain de Denebj, to Jordan, son of Jordan de
> > Thornhill, of two bovates of land in Denebj, held of Simon, son of
> > Michael de Denebi, paying annually half a pound of cumin, or
> > two-pence.
> >
> > Witnesses, John de Birkin, and Roger his brother, Germanns de
> > Thornhill, Richard, son of Jordan, William son of Thomas, William son
> > of John, Robert son of Dolrin, Adam de Mirefield, Simon de Denebj,
> > John de Thornhill, who wrote the Charter.' - A2A, West Yorkshire
> > Archive Service, Calderdale: Papers of the Armytage family of
> > Kirklees Hall [KM/1 - KM/857], KM/2

Clay gives an abstract of this.

> >
> > ' Grant by Richard son of Henry de Tofteschath to Jordan de Thorenhill
> > of all his land etc in Tofeschath' (Toftshaw, Yk) ' - A2A,
> > Nottinghamshire Archives: Savile of Rufford: Deeds and Estate Papers
> > [DD/SR/13 - DD/SR/205], DD/SR/28/1/7

Clay does not show this but says Jordan held of the king one carucate of
land in Lancs, from Book of Fees, I, 210.

Clay is not clear why he reports Richard as the elder brother to Jordan
and there in only one deed that he refers to that contains anything on
Richard.

> > B. The pedigree below shows Sir Richard de Thornhill (# 5) with two
> > wives: (1) Margaret, mother of his children, and (2) Maud. This is
> > most interesting, as all sources I've seen to date give him the one
> > wife, Maud, called Matilda de Fixby by Joseph Foster [1].

Clay refers to a fine of 1256 that includes Richard de Thornhill and
Margaret his wife; (Final Concorde of Lincoln, Lincoln record series
vol xvii, 127)

> > I had theorized previously that the mother Sir John de Thornhill
> > and his brother Brian, rector of Bedale, co. Yorks. ca 1301-1343, was
> > more likely a sister of Sir Brian fitz Alan of Bedale.

Clay includes "it is quite possible that the pedigree in Harleian Soc,
xvi, 317, which gives Maud as a sister of Brian FitzAlan of Bedale is
correct".

> > If in fact their mother was named Margaret, and was a prior spouse of
> > Sir Richard de Thornhill, that possibility certainly looks more
> > promising.
> >
> > Sir Brian fitz Alan of Bedale did have a sister Margery, but she
> > is a poor candidate to have been the wife of Sir Richard de Thornhill
> > as she was still alive in 1310 [2]. The chronology you present below,
> > with Sir Richard being b. ca. 1228 and his son Sir John marrying
> > Beatrice before 1286, makes it more likely that Margaret, wife of Sir
> > Richard, could have been an aunt (not sister) of Sir Brian fitz Alan:
> > if this were true, she would have been daughter to Brian fitz Alan of
> > Bedale (d. aft 17 Jul 1242, grandfather of the famous Sir Brian),
> > probably by his wife Alice Hansard. This would also (if true) make
> > Brian de Thornhill, rector of Bedale, the namesake of his grandfather
> > Brian fitz Alan.
> >
> > If any FitzAlan connections show themselves in Clay's Thornhill
> > article, that would be of great interest.

Sir Brian de Thornhill, d. 1343, son of Sir Richard, son of Sir John,
son of Richard, son of Jordan fitz Essulf, was rector of Bedale (and was
not a knight). Clay refers to the possibility that his step-mother may
have been a FitzAlan of Bedale, leading one to the conclusion that this
was how Brian got that job. In 1292, his nephew Sir John was in
Scotland on the king's service with Brian FitzAlan (Cal. Pat. Rolls,
1281-92, p. 468) and in 1294 he was in the household of Brian FitzAlan
(Cal. Chancery Warrants, i, 47).

Clay has an explanation of how Maud was referred to by Foster as Maud
of Fixby: "Apart from the Christian name there seems to be no evidence
whatever for this statement [by Foster]; and is is probable that the
marriage was confused with that of a later Richard de Thornhill, who
acquired Fixby my marriage with Margaret de Totehill." There are
several refutations of Foster's work in this account by Clay, leading
one, or me anyhow, to wonder what Foster was doing. Though Clay adds
later, on the misidentification of Simon Thornhill's wife as Mary or
Elizabeth Babthorpe: "This is only another illustration of the
difficulties which prevent a satisfactory identification of the wives of
most members of the Thornhill family".

-- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org [end quote].²

; per Ravilious: [quote] I've not seen the article: much of Clay's work I've used (re: Thornhill and others) comes from "Early Yorkshire Families". I'd be most interested in a copy of the article.

The pedigree as you lay it out agrees in almost all regards with what I have, minus a sibling or two. I note the following, the second of which is of greater promise:

A. Jordan fitz Essulf had a son Jordan, most likely an elder son, who either ob.v.p. or has been conflated over time with his father; the pedigree is sound genealogically, as the ultimate successor was Jordan fitz Essulf's son, " (3) Richard de Thornhill ( - <1209)". The following is what I have re: Jordan de Thornhill, son of Jordan (the second item is not so clear as to which individual is intended):

grant dated c1199-c1216: ' Grant by William, son of Pain de Denebj, to Jordan, son of Jordan de Thornhill, of two bovates of land in Denebj, held of Simon, son of Michael de Denebi, paying annually half a pound of cumin, or two-pence.

Witnesses, John de Birkin, and Roger his brother, Germanns de
Thornhill, Richard, son of Jordan, William son of Thomas, William son
of John, Robert son of Dolrin, Adam de Mirefield, Simon de Denebj, John
de Thornhill, who wrote the Charter.' - A2A, West Yorkshire Archive
Service, Calderdale: Papers of the Armytage family of Kirklees Hall
[KM/1 - KM/857], KM/2

' Grant by Richard son of Henry de Tofteschath to Jordan de Thorenhill of all his land etc in Tofeschath' (Toftshaw, Yk) ' - A2A, Nottinghamshire Archives: Savile of Rufford: Deeds and Estate Papers [DD/SR/13 - DD/SR/205], DD/SR/28/1/7

B. The pedigree below shows Sir Richard de Thornhill (# 5) with two wives: (1) Margaret, mother of his children, and (2) Maud. This is most interesting, as all sources I've seen to date give him the one wife, Maud, called Matilda de Fixby by Joseph Foster [1].

I had theorized previously that the mother Sir John de Thornhill and his brother Brian, rector of Bedale, co. Yorks. ca 1301-1343, was more likely a sister of Sir Brian fitz Alan of Bedale. If in fact their mother was named Margaret, and was a prior spouse of Sir Richard de Thornhill, that possibility certainly looks more promising.

Sir Brian fitz Alan of Bedale did have a sister Margery, but she is a poor candidate to have been the wife of Sir Richard de Thornhill as she was still alive in 1310 [2]. The chronology you present below, with Sir Richard being b. ca. 1228 and his son Sir John marrying Beatrice before 1286, makes it more likely that Margaret, wife of Sir Richard, could have been an aunt (not sister) of Sir Brian fitz Alan: if this were true, she would have been daughter to Brian fitz Alan of Bedale (d. aft 17 Jul 1242, grandfather of the famous Sir Brian), probably by his wife Alice Hansard. This would also (if true) make Brian de Thornhill, rector of Bedale, the namesake of his grandfather Brian fitz Alan.

If any FitzAlan connections show themselves in Clay's Thornhill article, that would be of great interest.
Cheers, John

NOTES

[1] Evidence re: Maud (or Matilda), wife of Sir Richard de Thornhill:

' Matilda, daughter of Thomas de Fixby. ' [pedigree of Thornhill, of Fixby and Riddlesworth: Foster's Yorkshire Pedigrees]

record of grant (undated):
' Grant: Thomas Worre of Thornhill to Lord Richard of Thornhill and Matilda his wife house, toft and croft in Thornhill. ' - A2A, Nottinghamshire Archives: Savile of Rufford: Deeds and Estate Papers [DD/SR/206 - DD/SR/215], DD/SR/209/114

' Lady Maud de Thornehill ', had dower of a third part of a messuage and of a bovate of land in 'Akenschag' , acknowledged, undated [est. c 1300]
' Acknowledgement by John son of Ric de Gomersal that he is bound to John de Thornehill for an annual rent of 6s 8d of sterling for two parts of a messuage and of a bovate in Akenschag', formerly leased but now sold to the said John son of Ric, by John de Thornehill - the third part, which is the dower of lady Maud de Thornehill during her life, to pass to the said John son of Ric after her death ' - A2A, Nottinghamshire Archives: Savile of Rufford: Deeds and Estate Papers [DD/SR/13 - DD/SR/205] , DD/SR/36/13


[2] This record dated 15 Sept 1310:
' Licence to Margery, sister of the late Sir Brian Fitzalan, to have an oratory for three years in the manor of Baynton. ' [Dixon, Fasti Eboracenses I:380]

[end quote]³

; per Powys-Lybbe: [quote] I have finally got a copy of C T Clay's article "The Family of Thornhill" from the Yorks Arch Journal, Vol 29 of 1929, pp. 286-321, though the line to the Savile marriage is only in 287-307. I have not seen this article reported elsewhere on sgm, though doubtless
someone will prove me wrong on that! Clay shows the line to the Saviles as (use a non-proportional font, eg Courier, for a better display):

(1) Essulf
(2) Jordan fitz Essulf ( - >1194)
(3) Richard de Thornhill ( - <1209)
& Alice ( - >1209)
(4) Sir John de Thornhill (<1203 - <1250)
& Olivia de la Mare
(5) Sir Richard de Thornhill* (ca1228 - <1290)
& Margaret
(6) Sir John Thornhill ( - 1322)
& Beatrice ( - ca1328)
m. bef 1286
(7) Brian Thornhill ( - <1369)
& Joan
m. bef 1342
(8) Sir Simon de Thornhill ( - ca1369)
& Elizabeth (?)
(9) Elizabeth Thornhill (ca1368 - >1414)
& Henry Savile ( - 1412)
(5) Sir Richard de Thornhill* (ca1228 - <1290)
& Maud ( - >1290)

Anyone who wants a copy of the (excellent) article for strictly research purposes only, please e-mail me.

-- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org [end quote].¹

     Thomas Iredell Folwell was born on 27 June 1796 at New Jersey, USA.¹ He married Lydia Cook Hazelton, daughter of Stacy Hazelton and Sarah Cook, on 1 September 1835.¹

Thomas Iredell Folwell died on 24 September 1871 at age 75.¹
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     Samuel Comly Folwell was born in 1837.¹
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     Nathan Folwell was born on 3 February 1839.¹
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     William Hazelton Folwell was born on 16 March 1840.¹
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     Robert Cook Folwell was born on 13 June 1842.¹
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     Charles Henry Clay Folwell was buried at Mullica Hill Friends Graveyard, Harrison Township, Gloucester Co., New Jersey, USA. He married Lucretia White.
Charles Henry Clay Folwell was born on 12 October 1844.¹
Charles Henry Clay Folwell died in 1878; Subject: WorldConnect: Post-em posted
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:53:18 -0600
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To: gregv@ma.ultranet.com

Database: gregv
Individual: I16700
Link: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gregv&id=I16700
Name: Maida Barton Follini
Email: follini@ns.sympatico.ca
Note: Charles Henry Clay Folwell died Aug 22, 1878 and is buried in the Mullica Hill Friends Meeting graveyard. Charles's wife waas Lucretia White. Their son was Stacy Hazelton Folwell, b. 1869 d. 1907, unmarried.
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     Nathan Thomas Folwell was born on 21 March 1847.¹
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     Sarah Folwell was born on 17 June 1852.¹
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     Edwin A. Taylor was born circa 1835.¹
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     Charles Taylor Aaronson was born on 25 April 1866.¹
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