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     Robert de Courci married Rohese de Grandmesnil, daughter of Hugh I de Grandmesnil Count of Grentmesnil, seigneur de Brokesborne and Adelaide/Aelis de Beaumont-sur-Oise, circa 1089.¹

Robert de Courci died circa 1131.¹

     Maria Ordonez de Aza married Diego Gonsalez de Ceballos.²

     Diego Gonsalez de Ceballos married Maria Ordonez de Aza, daughter of Diego Ordonez de Aza.¹

Diego Gonsalez de Ceballos died circa 1250.¹

     Gonsalo Diaz de Ceballos married Antolina de Hoces.²

Gonsalo Diaz de Ceballos died circa 1300.¹

     Antolina de Hoces married Gonsalo Diaz de Ceballos, son of Diego Gonsalez de Ceballos and Maria Ordonez de Aza.¹

     Gomez Gonsales Salvadores married Urraca Diaz de Cifontes, daughter of Diego Ansurez de Cifontes and Maria Pelayez de Cisneros.¹

Gomez Gonsales Salvadores died in 1111.¹

     Rodrigo Gomez de Sandoval married Elvira (?)²

     Elvira (?) married Rodrigo Gomez de Sandoval, son of Gomez Gonsales Salvadores and Urraca Diaz de Cifontes.¹

     Thurstan de Montfort-sur-Risle married Albreda (?)³
Thurstan de Montfort-sur-Risle was born in 1028 at Normandy, France.^1,2
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "[THURSTAN de Montfort-sur-Risle . The Chronicon Beccensis Abbatiæ records that [his son] "Willermus, nobili Normannorum prosapia originem...in...castro super Rislam...Monsfortis...pater eius Turstinus, mater...Albereda" succeeded as third abbot of Bec[1312]. The parentage of Thurstan is not known. From a chronological point of view, it appears more likely that he was the son of Hugues [I] Seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle than his brother, but this is not beyond all doubt.]
     "m ALBREDA, daughter of ---. Her marriage and family origin are confirmed by the Chronicon Beccensis Abbatiæ which records that "Willermus, nobili Normannorum prosapia originem...in...castro super Rislam...Monsfortis...pater eius Turstinus, mater...Albereda...Rogerii de Bello Monte patris Roberti comitis Mellenti ex uxore neptis" succeeded as third abbot of Bec[1313].
     "Thurstan & his wife had one child:
Med Lands cites: GAV-28 EDV-28.

     (?) de Bostenburgh married William Bertram.^2,3
(?) de Bostenburgh was born in 1054 at Normandy, France.^1,4
     GAV-27 EDV-27.

     William Bertram married (?) de Bostenburgh, daughter of Thurstan de Montfort-sur-Risle.^1,2
William Bertram was born in 1050 at Dignan, Normandy, France.^1,2
     GAV-27 EDV-27.

     Richard Bertram married Sybilla de Mitford, daughter of Sir John de Mitford.^2,3
Richard Bertram was born circa 1076 at Normandy, France.^1,4
     GAV-26 EDV-26.

     Sybilla de Mitford married Richard Bertram, son of William Bertram and (?) de Bostenburgh.^2,1
Sybilla de Mitford was born in 1080 at Mitford, Northumberland, England.^2,3
     GAV-26 EDV-26.

     Thurstan de Montfort married Juliana Murdac.²

Thurstan de Montfort died in 1191.¹
     GAV-25 EDV-26.

     Juliana Murdac married Thurstan de Montfort, son of Hugh IV de Montfort seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle and Adeline de Beaumont.¹

     GAV-25 EDV-26.

     Henry de Montfort married Rose (?)²

Henry de Montfort died circa 1191.¹
     GAV-24 EDV-25.

     Rose (?) married Henry de Montfort, son of Thurstan de Montfort and Juliana Murdac.¹

     GAV-24 EDV-25 GKJ-24.

     Thurstan II de Montfort died in 1216.¹
     GAV-23 EDV-24.

     Sir Piers/Peter de Montfort Knt., of Beaudesert, Warwickshire was born circa 1240 at Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England.³ He married Maud/Matilda de la Mare, daughter of Matthew de la Mare and Joan de Neville, circa 1260
; Complete Peerage vol. 9, p. 127 has Peter/Piers married, circa 1260, to Maud, daughter and heir of Matthew, son of Henry de la Mare, "whith whom he had Ashtead in Surrey" (citing Victoria County History of Surrey, vol. 3, p. 248). It comments that their son John appears to have been of age in 1284/5.

Then under "Mare or de la Mare" (vol. 8, p. 463) appears John de la Mare, son of Matthew de la Mare by Florence, eldest daughter and coheir of Roger de Akeni or Akeny of Bradwell. Some further information about Matthew is given in a chart pedigree. (To complicate matters, this John married Pernel de Dunstanville, the widow of Robert de Montfort (d. 1274), described as a younger son of Piers de Montfort [thus presumably a younger brother of the Piers who married Maud/Matilda de la Mare].)

Although these two Matthew de la Mares are contemporaries, it does appear that they are different men, so that Maud/Matilda was not the sister of John de la Mare of Bradwell.^4,1
Sir Piers/Peter de Montfort Knt., of Beaudesert, Warwickshire died in 1287.¹
     GAV-21 EDV-22.

     Maud/Matilda de la Mare was born between 1245 and 1250.² She married Sir Piers/Peter de Montfort Knt., of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, son of Piers de Montfort of Beaudesert and Alice de Audley, circa 1260
; Complete Peerage vol. 9, p. 127 has Peter/Piers married, circa 1260, to Maud, daughter and heir of Matthew, son of Henry de la Mare, "whith whom he had Ashtead in Surrey" (citing Victoria County History of Surrey, vol. 3, p. 248). It comments that their son John appears to have been of age in 1284/5.

Then under "Mare or de la Mare" (vol. 8, p. 463) appears John de la Mare, son of Matthew de la Mare by Florence, eldest daughter and coheir of Roger de Akeni or Akeny of Bradwell. Some further information about Matthew is given in a chart pedigree. (To complicate matters, this John married Pernel de Dunstanville, the widow of Robert de Montfort (d. 1274), described as a younger son of Piers de Montfort [thus presumably a younger brother of the Piers who married Maud/Matilda de la Mare].)

Although these two Matthew de la Mares are contemporaries, it does appear that they are different men, so that Maud/Matilda was not the sister of John de la Mare of Bradwell.^3,2
      ; I have had a puzzle with the Mara (la Mare) family who held Ashtead in Surrey. This fee passed to the Montforts of Beaudesert by the marriage of the heir Maud to Piers de Montfort (d.1286/87) [CP IX:27]. I have had correspondence with Kay Allen about this. Kay’s original post suggested that Maud was the dau. of Matthew (d.ca.1270), of Bradwell, Essex, by Florence de Akeni. dau. and coheir of Roger de Akeni (d.<1241), of Bradwell, by Joan his wife. According to CP VIII:463-464 & the chart facing p.464 Maud does not get a mention as a dau. of Matthew and certainly not as his heir. The heir was Matthew’s son, John lord Mare and John’s heir was his surviving dau., Florence.

In VCH Surrey 3:248 & note 14, & 252 the succession in Ashtead seems clear. Henry de la Mare (d.<1260) left his granddaughter (by his son Matthew), Maud, as his heir. It would seem probable that Matthew predeceased his father i.e. some time before 1260. The Bradwell Matthew d.1270. So it does seem that the two families are distinct (though they may well be related since they both had ties to the Montforts).

There was another Henry de la Mare (d.1236/39) who held Steeple Aston, Oxon and Winterbourne Gunner, Wilts. Henry was the son and heir of Richard de la Mare (d.<1220), of the same. Henry’s heir and probably his dau. was Gunnor who married Geoffrey fitz William and had issue. Round in discussing the serjeanty of the usher of the king’s hall remarks "the name was not rare and does not imply the common origin of all those who bore it." [VCH Oxon XI:31; J H Round *The King's Serjeants & Officers of State with their Coronation Services* (London, 1911), pp.104, 109-110].

The upshot of this would seem to be that this Ashtead family of Mare is quite distinct from the Bradwell or the Winterbourne Gunner families. If there are connections (and there well may be), they are not obvious.

From: rgbor@cyllene.uwa.edu.au (Richard Borthwick)
Subject: re: de la Mare
Date: 1999/02/26
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; Below is a new and expanded ancestry table for Maud de la Mare (living 1280), wife of Peter de Montfort (died 1287) of Beaudesert, Warwickshire. This table is based on my recent research on the de la Mare ancestry. Due to Maud's legion number of descendants, I know many newsgroup members will be keenly interested in this information. Please note that the parentage of Maud de la Mare's mother, Joan, still hasn't yet been established.

I wish to thank my friend and colleague, Mike Anthony, for his valuable assistance in the preparation of this ancestry table.

Comments are invited.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: douglasrichardson@royalancestry.net
Website: www.royalancestry.net

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ANCESTRY TABLE OF MAUD DE LA MARE, WIFE OF SIR PETER DE MONTFORT

1. Maud de la Mare, daughter and co-heiress, born say 1245/50, living 1280, m. in or after 1260 and probably by 1271 Peter de Montfort, Knt., of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, and, in right of his wife, of Ashtead (or Ashstead), Surrey, and Hinton (in Hurst), Berkshire. He died 1287.

2. Matthew de la Mare, Knt., living 1245/6, dead before 1260.

3. Joan (_____), died about 1280. She married (2nd) before 1260 Walter de la Hyde, Knt., of Cokeham (in Sompting) and Stammerham (in Horsham), Sussex, steward of the Earl of Gloucester, patron of Cokeham Hospital. Walter was living in 1278. Sometime prior to 1262, Joan had the grant of the manor of Norton Fitzwarren, Somerset from Sir John de Gatesden (possibly her step-father).

4. Henry de la Mare, Knt., of Ashtead, Surrey, and Hinton (in Hurst), Diddenham (in Shinfield), Farley Hill, and Sheepbridge (in Swallowfield), Berkshire, seneschal (or bailiff) of William Longespee II, Earl of Salisbury, royal justice, born say 1200, died abroad 1256. The roll in which his clerk kept the earliest of his cases is the
earliest assize roll known to have survived.

5. Unknown wife

6. ?Perhaps Sir John de Neville - see earlier posts regarding this theory.

7. ?Perhaps Hawise de Courtenay - see earlier posts regarding this theory.

8. William de la Mare, Knt., of Ashtead (or Ashstead) and Mitcham, Surrey, and Harlaxton and Londonthorpe, Lincolnshire, Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex, 1217-1226, born say 1175 (adult before 1200), died shortly before Oct. 1239.

9. Basile, living 1204.

16. William de la Mare, of Wickensands (in Albourne) and Woodmancote, Sussex, and, in right of his wife, of Ashtead (or Ashstead) and Mitcham, Surrey, and Harlaxton, Lincolnshire, living 1180's, died before 1200. He married before 1183.

17. Lecia Fitz Ralph, living 1180's

34. Ralph Fitz Robert, of Rouen in Normandy, and of Mitcham, Surrey and Bedfont, Middlesex. He married before 1140.

35. Mary Fitz Laurence, heiress sometime after 1175 of her brother, Robert Fitz Lawrence

70. Laurence de Rouen (also known as Laurence de Saint Sepulchre), of Rouen in Normandy, and Ashtead (or Ashstead) and Ravensbury (in Mitcham), Surrey, living 1130. He also held lands in Essex and London.² GAV-21 EDV-22. Maud/Matilda de la Mare was living in 1280.²

     John de Montfort 1st Baron Montfort of Beaudesert married Alice de la Plaunche, daughter of William de la Plaunche.^1,4
John de Montfort 1st Baron Montfort of Beaudesert was born circa 1263; Complete Peerage vol. 9, p. 127 has Peter/Piers married, circa 1260, to Maud, daughter and heir of Matthew, son of Henry de la Mare, "whith whom he had Ashtead in Surrey" (citing Victoria County History of Surrey, vol. 3, p. 248). It comments that their son John appears to have been of age in 1284/5.^5,1
John de Montfort 1st Baron Montfort of Beaudesert died before 11 May 1296.¹

     Alice de la Plaunche married John de Montfort 1st Baron Montfort of Beaudesert, son of Sir Piers/Peter de Montfort Knt., of Beaudesert, Warwickshire and Maud/Matilda de la Mare.^4,3

      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: IX 128.³ Alice de la Plaunche was living in 1303.³

     Piers (Peter) de Montfort married Lora Astley
; not married.¹

     Peter Corbet 2nd Lord Corbet of Caus married Beatrice de Beauchamp, daughter of John de Beauchamp of Hatch (Hache), co. Somerset and Cicely de Vivonia.¹
Peter Corbet 2nd Lord Corbet of Caus was born circa 1269.¹
Peter Corbet 2nd Lord Corbet of Caus died on 26 May 1322; dsp.^1,2
      ; "Peter Corbet, 2nd baron, succeeding his father in the estates of his family, joined with Harry de la Pomeroy in petitioning parliament for the domains of the Valletort family, to which estates they were now become the heirs; but, as King Edward II had himself been found, by inquisition, to be heir to the Earl o Cornwall, the grantee of "Roger de Vauter", the last of the Valletorts who possessed the estates, the petitioners did not find favour in their suit. This Peter Corbet had also summons to parliament, as Baron Corbet, of Caus, until his death on 26 May, 1322. He d. s. p., and the line of the family was continued by the youngest of the three brothers, John Corbet, 3rd baron..."²

     Beatrice de Beauchamp married Peter Corbet 2nd Lord Corbet of Caus, son of Piers/Peter Corbet 1st Baron Corbet of Caus and Joan de Mortimer.²
Beatrice de Beauchamp was born circa 1276 at Hatch Beauchamp, co. Somerset, England.¹
Beatrice de Beauchamp died in 1347.¹

     Alianora de Beauchamp married Fulk VI Fitz Warin 2nd Lord Fitzwarine, son of Sir Fulk V Fitz Warin 1st Lord Fitzwarine and Margaret ferch Gruffudd.²

     Fulk VI Fitz Warin 2nd Lord Fitzwarine married Alianora de Beauchamp, daughter of John de Beauchamp of Hatch (Hache), co. Somerset and Cicely de Vivonia.¹

Fulk VI Fitz Warin 2nd Lord Fitzwarine died in 1336.¹
     He was 2nd Lord Fitzwarine.³