(?) de Gant1
F, #21121, b. circa 1117
Father | Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln1 b. c 1077, d. 1139 |
Mother | Maud (Matilda) (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre1 b. c 1077, d. 1139 |
Reference | EDV24 |
Last Edited | 14 Aug 2019 |
(?) de Gant married William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs, son of William fitz Ragemer.2
(?) de Gant was born circa 1117 at Folkingham, Lincolnshire, England.1
EDV-24.
(?) de Gant was born circa 1117 at Folkingham, Lincolnshire, England.1
EDV-24.
Family | William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs b. c 1117, d. b 1198 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I43973
- [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire1,2
M, #21122, b. 1265, d. 1 September 1311
Father | Robert de Welle3 b. c 1235, d. b 24 Sep 1265 |
Mother | Isabel de Periton b. c 1235, d. b 5 Jan 1315 |
Reference | EDV20 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2019 |
Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire was buried at Greenfield Priory, Lincolnshire, England. He was born in 1265 at Lincolnshire, England. He married Joan Engaine, daughter of Sir John I d'Engaine and Joan de Greinville, circa 1296.1,2
Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire died on 1 September 1311.2
EDV-20.
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XII/2 439
2. A Genealogical History of the domrant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the british Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, reference: 572.2 Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire was also known as Adam de Welles.
Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire died on 1 September 1311.2
EDV-20.
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XII/2 439
2. A Genealogical History of the domrant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the british Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, reference: 572.2 Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire was also known as Adam de Welles.
Family | Joan Engaine b. c 1247, d. 1 Jun 1315 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, FitzWalter Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adam de Welle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139494&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Welle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139492&tree=LEO
Joan Engaine
F, #21123, b. circa 1247, d. 1 June 1315
Father | Sir John I d'Engaine1 b. c 1227, d. 5 Jan 1297 |
Mother | Joan de Greinville1,2 b. c 1240, d. a 2 Nov 1305 |
Reference | EDV20 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2019 |
Joan Engaine was buried at Greenfield Priory, Lincolnshire, England. She was born circa 1247 at Laxton, Northamptonshire, England. She married Walter Fitz Walter, son of Sir Robert fitz Walter Knt., 1st Lord Fitz Walter, of Little Dunmow, Essex and Devorguilla de Burgh, in 1286.3
Joan Engaine married Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire, son of Robert de Welle and Isabel de Periton, circa 1296.3,4
Joan Engaine died on 1 June 1315.3
EDV-20 GKJ-20.
Joan Engaine married Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire, son of Robert de Welle and Isabel de Periton, circa 1296.3,4
Joan Engaine died on 1 June 1315.3
EDV-20 GKJ-20.
Family 1 | Walter Fitz Walter b. 1275, d. 1293 |
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Family 2 | Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire b. 1265, d. 1 Sep 1311 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I2233
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan de Greinville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00397949&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, FitzWalter Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adam de Welle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139494&tree=LEO
Muriel/Muriella Keith1,2
F, #21124, b. circa 1363, d. May 1449
Father | Sir William Keith 1st Marischal of Scotland3,2,4 b. c 1340, d. bt 13 May 1407 - 2 Jun 1413 |
Mother | Margaret Fraser5,6,4 |
Last Edited | 3 Sep 2019 |
Muriel/Muriella Keith was born circa 1363.4 She married Robert Stewart 1st Duke of Albany, son of Robert II Stewart King of the Scots and Elizabeth Mure of Rowallan, on 4 May 1380
; His 2nd wife; date is of contract or similar.1,2,4
Muriel/Muriella Keith died in May 1449; van de Pas syas died "bef 1 Jujne 1449."1,2,4
; per van de Pas: "A dispensation, dated at Fondi on 14 January 1378/1379, reports: To the bishop of Moray. Faculty to dispense Reginald Cheyn, donzel, and Murielle, damselle, daughter of Sir William de Keth, of Moray and Aberdeen dioceses, from the impediment to marriage arising from the third and fourth degrees of consanguinity.
Muriel Keith, the future second wife of Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany, was contracted to marry Reginald le Cheyne, son of Sir Reginald le Cheyne by his wife Helen of Strathearn. Reginald likely never married Muriel Keith, and is known to have died without progeny. Robert Stewart and Muriel Keith had a dispensation to marry dated 4 May 1380, so Reginald likely died some time before that date."4
Reference: van de Pas cites:
1. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family, London, 1973 . 317
1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 159.4
; His 2nd wife; date is of contract or similar.1,2,4
Muriel/Muriella Keith died in May 1449; van de Pas syas died "bef 1 Jujne 1449."1,2,4
; per van de Pas: "A dispensation, dated at Fondi on 14 January 1378/1379, reports: To the bishop of Moray. Faculty to dispense Reginald Cheyn, donzel, and Murielle, damselle, daughter of Sir William de Keth, of Moray and Aberdeen dioceses, from the impediment to marriage arising from the third and fourth degrees of consanguinity.
Muriel Keith, the future second wife of Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany, was contracted to marry Reginald le Cheyne, son of Sir Reginald le Cheyne by his wife Helen of Strathearn. Reginald likely never married Muriel Keith, and is known to have died without progeny. Robert Stewart and Muriel Keith had a dispensation to marry dated 4 May 1380, so Reginald likely died some time before that date."4
Reference: van de Pas cites:
1. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family, London, 1973 . 317
1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 159.4
Family | Robert Stewart 1st Duke of Albany b. bt 1339 - 1340, d. 2 Sep 1420 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (New York, NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 13: Scotland: Houses of Bruce and Stuart. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page (see KINTORE, E).
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Muriella Keith: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046289&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Fraser: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177703&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Fraser: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177703&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Elizabeth Stewart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006105&tree=LEO
William de Welle
M, #21125, b. circa 1177, d. circa 1241
Father | Robert de Welle b. c 1147, d. c 1206 |
Mother | Maud (?) b. c 1147, d. a 1218 |
Reference | EDV22 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2019 |
William de Welle was born circa 1177 at Lincolnshire, England. He married Emma de Grainsby, daughter of William de Grainsby, circa 1207.1
William de Welle died circa 1241.
EDV-22.
William de Welle died circa 1241.
EDV-22.
Family | Emma de Grainsby d. a 30 Sep 1226 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Grainsby: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00042725&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Welle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139492&tree=LEO
Isabel de Periton
F, #21126, b. circa 1235, d. before 5 January 1315
Reference | EDV21 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2019 |
Isabel de Periton was buried at Malton Priory, Yorkshire, England. She married Robert de Welle, son of William de Welle and Emma de Grainsby.1
Isabel de Periton was born circa 1235 at Faxton, Northamptonshire, England.
Isabel de Periton died before 5 January 1315.
EDV-21.
Isabel de Periton was born circa 1235 at Faxton, Northamptonshire, England.
Isabel de Periton died before 5 January 1315.
EDV-21.
Family | Robert de Welle b. c 1235, d. b 24 Sep 1265 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Welle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139492&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
Robert de Welle1
M, #21127, b. circa 1235, d. before 24 September 1265
Father | William de Welle1 b. c 1177, d. c 1241 |
Mother | Emma de Grainsby2,1 d. a 30 Sep 1226 |
Reference | EDV21 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2019 |
Robert de Welle married Isabel de Periton.1
Robert de Welle was born circa 1235 at Lincolnshire, England.
Robert de Welle died before 24 September 1265.1
EDV-21.
; Leo van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XII/2 438.3
Robert de Welle was born circa 1235 at Lincolnshire, England.
Robert de Welle died before 24 September 1265.1
EDV-21.
; Leo van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XII/2 438.3
Family | Isabel de Periton b. c 1235, d. b 5 Jan 1315 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Welle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139492&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Grainsby: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00042725&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Welle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00042725&tree=LEO
Sir William Keith 1st Marischal of Scotland1,2,3
M, #21128, b. circa 1340, d. between 13 May 1407 and 2 June 1413
Father | Sir Edward de Keith of Syntoun4,2 d. b 1350 |
Mother | Isabella Syntoun5,6 |
Last Edited | 20 Aug 2019 |
Sir William Keith 1st Marischal of Scotland married Margaret Fraser, daughter of Sir John Fraser of Aberbothnot,
; per Stirnet: m. Mary Hamilton (dau of Sir James Hamilton of Cadzow). The identification of Earl William's wife is not certain. She may have been Marjorie Fraser, dau of Alexander Fraser of Kinnell and Lovat. She died before 11.1442.2,3,7 Sir William Keith 1st Marischal of Scotland was born circa 1340.2
Sir William Keith 1st Marischal of Scotland died between 13 May 1407 and 2 June 1413.2
; per van de Pas: "Sir William Keith added greatly to the power and possessions of the family by his marriage to Margaret, the only child and heiress of Sir John Fraser, eldest son of Alexander Fraser, High Chamberlain of Scotland, by his wife Mary, sister of Robert The Bruce. He obtained with her large estates in Kincardine or Mearns, which from this time forward became the principal residence of the Keith family.
When Sir William Keith resolved to erect a castle as a place of safety during the troubled times in which he lived, he took the precaution first of all to build a church for the parish in a more convenient place; but the Bishop of St. Andrews thought it fit to excommunicate him on the pretence that he had violated consecreated ground. Sir William, however, appealed to Pope Benedict XIII stating the whole circumstances of the case, the urgent need of such a fortress, and the compensation he had made for the site by building another church. The Pontiff, on learning the real state of matters, issued a Bull, dated 18 July 1394, decided the appeal in Sir William's favour, directing the Bishop to remove the excommunication, and to permit the baron to retain possession of the castle on the payment of a certain sum to the Church."2
; van de Pas cites:
1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VIII 472;I 79
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: 159
3. The Great Historic Families of Scotland, London, 1889, Taylor, James, Reference: biography.2
; per Stirnet: m. Mary Hamilton (dau of Sir James Hamilton of Cadzow). The identification of Earl William's wife is not certain. She may have been Marjorie Fraser, dau of Alexander Fraser of Kinnell and Lovat. She died before 11.1442.2,3,7 Sir William Keith 1st Marischal of Scotland was born circa 1340.2
Sir William Keith 1st Marischal of Scotland died between 13 May 1407 and 2 June 1413.2
; per van de Pas: "Sir William Keith added greatly to the power and possessions of the family by his marriage to Margaret, the only child and heiress of Sir John Fraser, eldest son of Alexander Fraser, High Chamberlain of Scotland, by his wife Mary, sister of Robert The Bruce. He obtained with her large estates in Kincardine or Mearns, which from this time forward became the principal residence of the Keith family.
When Sir William Keith resolved to erect a castle as a place of safety during the troubled times in which he lived, he took the precaution first of all to build a church for the parish in a more convenient place; but the Bishop of St. Andrews thought it fit to excommunicate him on the pretence that he had violated consecreated ground. Sir William, however, appealed to Pope Benedict XIII stating the whole circumstances of the case, the urgent need of such a fortress, and the compensation he had made for the site by building another church. The Pontiff, on learning the real state of matters, issued a Bull, dated 18 July 1394, decided the appeal in Sir William's favour, directing the Bishop to remove the excommunication, and to permit the baron to retain possession of the castle on the payment of a certain sum to the Church."2
; van de Pas cites:
1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VIII 472;I 79
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: 159
3. The Great Historic Families of Scotland, London, 1889, Taylor, James, Reference: biography.2
Family | Margaret Fraser |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page (see KINTORE, E). Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Keith: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140253&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2022] Stirnet Genealogy, online http://www.stirnet.com/, Keith 02 - Families covered: Keith of Keith, Keith Marischal, Keith of Pittendrum, Keith of Troup
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/kk/keith02.htm. Hereinafter cited as Stirnet Genealogy. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Edward Keith, of Syntoun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00059293&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabella Syntoun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026986&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabella Syntoun (Sinton), of Sinton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026986&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Fraser: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177703&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Robert de Keith: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00186450&tree=LEO
- [S2022] Stirnet Genealogy, online http://www.stirnet.com/, Keith 01 (Families covered: Keith of Keith):
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/kk/keith01.htm#inverg - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Christiana Keith: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116903&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Keith, Marischal of Scotland: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140253&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Keith: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116920&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Keith, Lady of Aboyne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046331&tree=LEO
- [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (New York, NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 13: Scotland: Houses of Bruce and Stuart. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Muriella Keith: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046289&tree=LEO
William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs1
M, #21129, b. circa 1117, d. before 1198
Father | William fitz Ragemer1 |
Reference | EDV24 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2019 |
William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs married (?) de Gant, daughter of Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln and Maud (Matilda) (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre.1
William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs was born circa 1117.
William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs died before 1198.1
EDV-24.
William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs was born circa 1117.
William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs died before 1198.1
EDV-24.
Family | (?) de Gant b. c 1117 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
Robert de Welle
M, #21130, b. circa 1147, d. circa 1206
Father | William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs1 b. c 1117, d. b 1198 |
Mother | (?) de Gant b. c 1117 |
Reference | EDV23 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2019 |
Robert de Welle married Maud (?)
Robert de Welle was born circa 1147 at Lincolnshire, England.
Robert de Welle died circa 1206.
EDV-23.
Robert de Welle was born circa 1147 at Lincolnshire, England.
Robert de Welle died circa 1206.
EDV-23.
Family | Maud (?) b. c 1147, d. a 1218 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
Emma de Grainsby
F, #21131, d. after 30 September 1226
Father | William de Grainsby1 |
Reference | EDV22 |
Last Edited | 14 Aug 2019 |
Emma de Grainsby married William de Welle, son of Robert de Welle and Maud (?), circa 1207.1
Emma de Grainsby died after 30 September 1226.1
EDV-22.
; Leo van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XII/2 437.1 She was living on 30 September 1226.1
Emma de Grainsby died after 30 September 1226.1
EDV-22.
; Leo van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XII/2 437.1 She was living on 30 September 1226.1
Family | William de Welle b. c 1177, d. c 1241 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Grainsby: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00042725&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Welle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139492&tree=LEO
Maud (?)
F, #21132, b. circa 1147, d. after 1218
Reference | EDV23 |
Last Edited | 12 Aug 2019 |
Maud (?) married Robert de Welle, son of William fitz Walter de Welle of Wells, co. Lincs and (?) de Gant.
Maud (?) was born circa 1147.
Maud (?) died after 1218.
EDV-23.
Maud (?) was born circa 1147.
Maud (?) died after 1218.
EDV-23.
Family | Robert de Welle b. c 1147, d. c 1206 |
Child |
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Margaret Bardolf1
F, #21133, b. circa 1304, d. before 1345
Father | Sir Thomas Bardolf KB, 2nd Lord Bardolf1,2 b. 4 Oct 1282, d. 15 Dec 1328 |
Mother | Lady Agnes de Grandson1,3 b. c 1285, d. 11 Dec 1357 |
Reference | EDV19 |
Last Edited | 2 Oct 2019 |
Margaret Bardolf was buried at Greenfield Priory, Lincolnshire, England. She was born circa 1304. She married Adam de Welle 3rd Lord Welle, son of Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire and Joan Engaine, before 1334.1
Margaret Bardolf died before 1345.
Margaret Bardolf was buried at Lady Chapel, Greenfield Priory, England.1
EDV-19.
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 22
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XII 441.1
Margaret Bardolf died before 1345.
Margaret Bardolf was buried at Lady Chapel, Greenfield Priory, England.1
EDV-19.
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 22
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XII 441.1
Family | Adam de Welle 3rd Lord Welle b. 22 Jul 1304, d. Feb 1345 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Bardolf: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027646&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas Bardolf, 2nd Lord Bardolf: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139512&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Beauchamp: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139513&tree=LEO
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), HUMPHREY 10, p. 188. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Humphrey 9: p. 401. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
Adam de Welle 3rd Lord Welle1
M, #21134, b. 22 July 1304, d. February 1345
Father | Sir Adam de Welle 1st Baron Welles, of Welle, Lincolnshire2 b. 1265, d. 1 Sep 1311 |
Mother | Joan Engaine b. c 1247, d. 1 Jun 1315 |
Reference | EDV19 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2019 |
Adam de Welle 3rd Lord Welle was buried at Greenfield Priory, Lincolnshire, England. He was born on 22 July 1304. He married Margaret Bardolf, daughter of Sir Thomas Bardolf KB, 2nd Lord Bardolf and Lady Agnes de Grandson, before 1334.3
Adam de Welle 3rd Lord Welle died in February 1345 at age 40.
EDV-19.
Adam de Welle 3rd Lord Welle died in February 1345 at age 40.
EDV-19.
Family | Margaret Bardolf b. c 1304, d. b 1345 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de la Warr Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adam de Welle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139494&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Bardolf: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027646&tree=LEO
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), HUMPHREY 10, p. 188. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Humphrey 9: p. 401. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
Elizabeth Wells
F, #21135
Father | Adam de Welle 3rd Lord Welle b. 22 Jul 1304, d. Feb 1345 |
Mother | Margaret Bardolf b. c 1304, d. b 1345 |
Last Edited | 12 Nov 2001 |
Elizabeth Wells married an unknown person before 14 October 1338.
Diego Gomez de Sandoval1
M, #21136, d. 1134
Father | Gomez Gonsales Salvadores1 d. 1111 |
Mother | Urraca Diaz de Cifontes1 |
Last Edited | 14 Nov 2020 |
Family | Maria Rodriguez de Asturias |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I28620
Andrew Stuart1
M, #21137, d. before 1413
Father | Robert Stewart 1st Duke of Albany1 b. bt 1339 - 1340, d. 2 Sep 1420 |
Mother | Muriel/Muriella Keith1,2 b. c 1363, d. May 1449 |
Last Edited | 24 Apr 2018 |
Andrew Stuart died before 1413; dsp.1
Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Muriella Keith: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046289&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
Diego Martinez de Villamayor
M, #21138, d. 1176
Father | Martin Diaz de Sandoval |
Mother | Maria Garcia de Villamayor |
Last Edited | 14 Nov 2020 |
Diego Martinez de Villamayor married Maria Ponce de Minerva.
Diego Martinez de Villamayor died in 1176.
Diego Martinez de Villamayor died in 1176.
Family | Maria Ponce de Minerva |
Child |
Maria Ponce de Minerva
F, #21139
Last Edited | 8 Oct 2020 |
Maria Ponce de Minerva married Diego Martinez de Villamayor, son of Martin Diaz de Sandoval and Maria Garcia de Villamayor.
Family | Diego Martinez de Villamayor d. 1176 |
Child |
Martin Diaz de Sandoval
M, #21140
Father | Diego Gomez de Sandoval d. 1134 |
Mother | Maria Rodriguez de Asturias |
Last Edited | 14 Nov 2020 |
Family | Maria Garcia de Villamayor |
Child |
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Maria Garcia de Villamayor
F, #21141
Last Edited | 14 Nov 2020 |
Maria Garcia de Villamayor married Martin Diaz de Sandoval, son of Diego Gomez de Sandoval and Maria Rodriguez de Asturias.
Family | Martin Diaz de Sandoval |
Child |
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Robert Stuart1
M, #21142
Father | Robert Stewart 1st Duke of Albany1 b. bt 1339 - 1340, d. 2 Sep 1420 |
Mother | Muriel/Muriella Keith1,2 b. c 1363, d. May 1449 |
Last Edited | 24 Apr 2018 |
Robert Stuart was living in 1431.1
Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Muriella Keith: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046289&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
Maria Rodriguez de Asturias
F, #21143
Last Edited | 7 Oct 2020 |
Maria Rodriguez de Asturias married Diego Gomez de Sandoval, son of Gomez Gonsales Salvadores and Urraca Diaz de Cifontes.
Family | Diego Gomez de Sandoval d. 1134 |
Children |
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Gutierre Ruiz de Sandoval
M, #21144, d. circa 1196
Father | Rodrigo Fernandez de Sandoval |
Last Edited | 14 Nov 2020 |
Family | Ines de Rada |
Child |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I29303
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I29296
Rodrigo Fernandez de Sandoval
M, #21145
Father | Fernan Diaz de Sandoval d. c 1127 |
Last Edited | 14 Nov 2020 |
Family | |
Child |
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Fernan Diaz de Sandoval
M, #21146, d. circa 1127
Father | Diego Gomez de Sandoval d. 1134 |
Mother | Maria Rodriguez de Asturias |
Last Edited | 14 Nov 2020 |
Fernan Diaz de Sandoval died circa 1127.
Family | |
Child |
Ines de Rada1
F, #21147
Last Edited | 14 Nov 2020 |
Family | Gutierre Ruiz de Sandoval d. c 1196 |
Child |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I29303
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I29296
NN (?) of Metz1
F, #21148, b. circa 836
Last Edited | 23 Aug 2020 |
NN (?) of Metz married Thierry II (?) Count in the Chaumois, son of Theodoric VI 'le Trésorier' (?) Comte d'Autun.1
NN (?) of Metz was born circa 836.1
NN (?) of Metz was born circa 836.1
Family | Thierry II (?) Count in the Chaumois b. c 830, d. b 893 |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44190
Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy1,2,3,4
M, #21149, b. circa 860, d. after 925
Father | Manassès I (?) Comte de Dijon5,4 d. a 912 |
Reference | GAV29 |
Last Edited | 13 Dec 2020 |
Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy was born circa 860.1 He married Ermengarde (?) of Burgundy, daughter of Boson V (?) Ct of Bourges, Cte de Vienne et d'Arles, Duke of Lombardy, Governor of Provence, King of Provence, King of Aquitaine and Ermengarde (?) of Italy, Queen of Provence.6,7,3,8,4
Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy died after 925; Gordon Banks says d. 918; Med Lands says d. 925 or aft.2,4
GAV-29.
Reference: Gordon Banks cites: Marlyn Lewis, The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York (Arvada, CO: HT Communications, 1999).2
; This is the same person as ”Manassès Ier de Chalon” at at Wikipédia (FR).9
; NB: There is no agreement about the ancestry of Manassès II.
Genealogics show no parents for him.
Med Lands shows him as the son of Manassès I (d. aft 912). Med Lands cites a charter "of "Manasses comes" witnessed by "Walo filius eius et Manasses comes iunior" [6]," and the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which in 906 names "comes Manasses Divionensi", specifying that "Walo et alterius Manasses comes iunior" were his sons [7]." Med Lands shows no further ancestors for this Manassès I.
Med Lands cites:
Wikipédia (Fr.) says: "Manassès serait le fils de Manassès, comte de Dijon [1], ou de Théodoric (Thierry), seigneur de Vergy, lui-même supposé fils de Warin Ier d'Auvergne [2]." Wikipédia (Fr.) cites:
Conclusion: I don't find either of the proposed ancestries particularly convincing. However, I have now ended the line with Manassès I as father of Manassès II, and no earlier ancestors. GA Vaut.3,5,9,10 Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy was also known as Manasses "le Vieux" Cte de Châlons.7
; Per Med Lands:
"MANASSES [II] (-925 or after). Comte de Dijon. The Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri records that "Manasses" built "monasterium in territorio Augustudunensi in loco montis Vergiaci castri" with the advice of "suæ uxoris Hermengardis fratrisque sui Walonis Æduorum urbis pontificis"[13]. The Chronicle of St Bénigne de Dijon records a donation dated 925 confirmed by "Manasse comite"[14].
"m ERMENGARDE, daughter of --- (-after Jun 924). "Heriveus…Eduorum episcopus" donated property "villam Tilionacum" to the canons of St Nazaire by charter dated 31 Oct 920 which names "genitricis nostræ domnæ Hirmingardis comitissæ et fratrum nostrorum…[et] Walo presul et noster avunculus", signed by "Hirmingardis comitissa, Walonis filii eius, Gisleberti filii eius alterius, Manassæ filii eius"[15]. The Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri names "Manasses…suæ uxoris Hermengardis"[16]. "Warulfus…virum nobilem…filio equivoco eius Warulfo" petitioned "Ermengardis comitisse…seu filii eius Gisleberti comitis" for some donated property of Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon by charter dated Jun 924[17]. A possible origin of Ermengarde is suggested by one version of the Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, as reproduced only in a 17th century secondary source, which records that "Richardus dux et Ingelbertus" installed "Vualonem, fratrem Manasserii comitis qui gener erat B fratris Richardi ducis" as abbot of Flavigny[18]. If this is correct, she was Ermengarde, daughter of Boson King of Provence & [his second wife Ermengardis of Italy]."
Med Lands cites:
Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy died after 925; Gordon Banks says d. 918; Med Lands says d. 925 or aft.2,4
GAV-29.
Reference: Gordon Banks cites: Marlyn Lewis, The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York (Arvada, CO: HT Communications, 1999).2
; This is the same person as ”Manassès Ier de Chalon” at at Wikipédia (FR).9
; NB: There is no agreement about the ancestry of Manassès II.
Genealogics show no parents for him.
Med Lands shows him as the son of Manassès I (d. aft 912). Med Lands cites a charter "of "Manasses comes" witnessed by "Walo filius eius et Manasses comes iunior" [6]," and the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which in 906 names "comes Manasses Divionensi", specifying that "Walo et alterius Manasses comes iunior" were his sons [7]." Med Lands shows no further ancestors for this Manassès I.
Med Lands cites:
[6] Chronique de Saint-Bénigne de Dijon, p. 118.
[7] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 906, MGH SS XXIII, p. 750.
[7] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 906, MGH SS XXIII, p. 750.
Wikipédia (Fr.) says: "Manassès serait le fils de Manassès, comte de Dijon [1], ou de Théodoric (Thierry), seigneur de Vergy, lui-même supposé fils de Warin Ier d'Auvergne [2]." Wikipédia (Fr.) cites:
[1[ « Manassès Ier de Chalon († v. 925) » [archive], dans « Burgundy duchy - Dijon », ch. 1 : « Comtes de Dijon », section A : « Comtes de Dijon », sur MedLands (consulté le 15 décembre 2017).
[2] André Duchesne, Histoire généalogique de la maison de Vergy justifiée par chartes, ti?tres, arrests, & aultres bonnes & certaines preuves, Paris, Sébastien Cramoisy, 1625 (lire en ligne [archive]), p. 23-33.
[2] André Duchesne, Histoire généalogique de la maison de Vergy justifiée par chartes, ti?tres, arrests, & aultres bonnes & certaines preuves, Paris, Sébastien Cramoisy, 1625 (lire en ligne [archive]), p. 23-33.
Conclusion: I don't find either of the proposed ancestries particularly convincing. However, I have now ended the line with Manassès I as father of Manassès II, and no earlier ancestors. GA Vaut.3,5,9,10 Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy was also known as Manasses "le Vieux" Cte de Châlons.7
; Per Med Lands:
"MANASSES [II] (-925 or after). Comte de Dijon. The Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri records that "Manasses" built "monasterium in territorio Augustudunensi in loco montis Vergiaci castri" with the advice of "suæ uxoris Hermengardis fratrisque sui Walonis Æduorum urbis pontificis"[13]. The Chronicle of St Bénigne de Dijon records a donation dated 925 confirmed by "Manasse comite"[14].
"m ERMENGARDE, daughter of --- (-after Jun 924). "Heriveus…Eduorum episcopus" donated property "villam Tilionacum" to the canons of St Nazaire by charter dated 31 Oct 920 which names "genitricis nostræ domnæ Hirmingardis comitissæ et fratrum nostrorum…[et] Walo presul et noster avunculus", signed by "Hirmingardis comitissa, Walonis filii eius, Gisleberti filii eius alterius, Manassæ filii eius"[15]. The Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri names "Manasses…suæ uxoris Hermengardis"[16]. "Warulfus…virum nobilem…filio equivoco eius Warulfo" petitioned "Ermengardis comitisse…seu filii eius Gisleberti comitis" for some donated property of Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon by charter dated Jun 924[17]. A possible origin of Ermengarde is suggested by one version of the Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, as reproduced only in a 17th century secondary source, which records that "Richardus dux et Ingelbertus" installed "Vualonem, fratrem Manasserii comitis qui gener erat B fratris Richardi ducis" as abbot of Flavigny[18]. If this is correct, she was Ermengarde, daughter of Boson King of Provence & [his second wife Ermengardis of Italy]."
Med Lands cites:
[13] Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri, RHGF IX, p. 131.
[14] Chronique de Saint-Bénigne de Dijon, p. 124.
[15] Autun (Charmasse), Vol. I, Part 1, 26, p. 42.
[16] Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri, RHGF IX, p. 131.
[17] Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon 28, p. 53.
[18] Duchesne (1625) Vergy, preuves, p. 17, also quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 373 footnote 80. The text in question does not appear in Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, MGH SS VIII, p. 502.4
[14] Chronique de Saint-Bénigne de Dijon, p. 124.
[15] Autun (Charmasse), Vol. I, Part 1, 26, p. 42.
[16] Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri, RHGF IX, p. 131.
[17] Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon 28, p. 53.
[18] Duchesne (1625) Vergy, preuves, p. 17, also quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 373 footnote 80. The text in question does not appear in Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, MGH SS VIII, p. 502.4
Family | Ermengarde (?) of Burgundy b. a 882, d. a 11 Aug 887 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I30097
- [S1608] Banks/Dean Genealogy, online http://www.gordonbanks.com/gordon/family/2nd_Site/geb-p/index.htm, Person Page 120: http://www.gordonbanks.com/gordon/family/2nd_Site/geb-p/p32.htm#i6489. Hereinafter cited as Banks/Dean Genealogy.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Manassès II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00571852&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgddijon.htm#Manassesdied925. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgddijon.htm#_Toc478317745
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I30098
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde de Provence: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00571853&tree=LEO
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Manassès Ier de Chalon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manass%C3%A8s_Ier_de_Chalon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 23 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
- [S1608] Banks/Dean Genealogy, online http://www.gordonbanks.com/gordon/family/2nd_Site/geb-p/index.htm, Person Page 95: http://www.gordonbanks.com/gordon/family/2nd_Site/geb-p/p95.htm#i5201
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgddijon.htm#ErmengardedauManassesMLetaudMacon
- [S1608] Banks/Dean Genealogy, online http://www.gordonbanks.com/gordon/family/2nd_Site/geb-p/index.htm, Person Page 32: http://www.gordonbanks.com/gordon/family/2nd_Site/geb-p/p32.htm#i1791
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120370&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm#GiselbertBurgundydied956
Ermengarde (?) of Burgundy1,2,3
F, #21150, b. after 882, d. after 11 August 887
Father | Boson V (?) Ct of Bourges, Cte de Vienne et d'Arles, Duke of Lombardy, Governor of Provence, King of Provence, King of Aquitaine2,4,3 b. 835, d. 19 Feb 887 |
Mother | Ermengarde (?) of Italy, Queen of Provence4,3 b. c 855, d. b 22 Jun 896 |
Reference | GAV29 |
Last Edited | 13 Dec 2020 |
Ermengarde (?) of Burgundy was born after 882.1,3
Ermengarde (?) of Burgundy died after 11 August 887.3 She married Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy, son of Manassès I (?) Comte de Dijon.1,2,5,6,7
; Per Med Lands:
"MANASSES [II] (-925 or after). Comte de Dijon. The Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri records that "Manasses" built "monasterium in territorio Augustudunensi in loco montis Vergiaci castri" with the advice of "suæ uxoris Hermengardis fratrisque sui Walonis Æduorum urbis pontificis"[13]. The Chronicle of St Bénigne de Dijon records a donation dated 925 confirmed by "Manasse comite"[14].
"m ERMENGARDE, daughter of --- (-after Jun 924). "Heriveus…Eduorum episcopus" donated property "villam Tilionacum" to the canons of St Nazaire by charter dated 31 Oct 920 which names "genitricis nostræ domnæ Hirmingardis comitissæ et fratrum nostrorum…[et] Walo presul et noster avunculus", signed by "Hirmingardis comitissa, Walonis filii eius, Gisleberti filii eius alterius, Manassæ filii eius"[15]. The Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri names "Manasses…suæ uxoris Hermengardis"[16]. "Warulfus…virum nobilem…filio equivoco eius Warulfo" petitioned "Ermengardis comitisse…seu filii eius Gisleberti comitis" for some donated property of Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon by charter dated Jun 924[17]. A possible origin of Ermengarde is suggested by one version of the Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, as reproduced only in a 17th century secondary source, which records that "Richardus dux et Ingelbertus" installed "Vualonem, fratrem Manasserii comitis qui gener erat B fratris Richardi ducis" as abbot of Flavigny[18]. If this is correct, she was Ermengarde, daughter of Boson King of Provence & [his second wife Ermengardis of Italy]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"daughter ([after 882]-after 11 Aug 887). The existence of more than one daughter of King Boson & his second wife is confirmed by the charter dated 11 Aug 887 under which Emperor Karl III confirms a donation by "neptam nostram Hermingardim…filioque suo Hludouuico nepoti nostro et sororibus eius"[70]. It is not known how many other daughters there may have been. The Annales Bertiniani name "Richardus frater Bosonis" when recording that, after the capture of Vienne by the forces of King Carloman, he took “uxorem Bosonis et filiam eius” back to “comitatum suum Augustudensem” in 882[71], which suggests that any other children were born after the siege of Vienne. same person as…? ERMENGARDE (-after Jun 924). One version of the Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, as reproduced only in a 17th century secondary source, records that "Richardus dux et Ingelbertus" installed "Vualonem, fratrem Manasserii comitis qui gener erat B fratris Rich[ardi ducis" as abbot of Flavigny[72] which, if correct, means that the wife of Manassès was the daughter of King Boson. If this is right, her name suggests that she was the daughter of his second wife, although Chaume proposed that she was the daughter of his first marriage[73].
"m MANASSES [II] Comte de Dijon, son of MANASSES [I] & his wife --- (-925 or after).]"
Med Lands cites:
Ermengarde (?) of Burgundy died after 11 August 887.3 She married Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy, son of Manassès I (?) Comte de Dijon.1,2,5,6,7
; Per Med Lands:
"MANASSES [II] (-925 or after). Comte de Dijon. The Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri records that "Manasses" built "monasterium in territorio Augustudunensi in loco montis Vergiaci castri" with the advice of "suæ uxoris Hermengardis fratrisque sui Walonis Æduorum urbis pontificis"[13]. The Chronicle of St Bénigne de Dijon records a donation dated 925 confirmed by "Manasse comite"[14].
"m ERMENGARDE, daughter of --- (-after Jun 924). "Heriveus…Eduorum episcopus" donated property "villam Tilionacum" to the canons of St Nazaire by charter dated 31 Oct 920 which names "genitricis nostræ domnæ Hirmingardis comitissæ et fratrum nostrorum…[et] Walo presul et noster avunculus", signed by "Hirmingardis comitissa, Walonis filii eius, Gisleberti filii eius alterius, Manassæ filii eius"[15]. The Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri names "Manasses…suæ uxoris Hermengardis"[16]. "Warulfus…virum nobilem…filio equivoco eius Warulfo" petitioned "Ermengardis comitisse…seu filii eius Gisleberti comitis" for some donated property of Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon by charter dated Jun 924[17]. A possible origin of Ermengarde is suggested by one version of the Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, as reproduced only in a 17th century secondary source, which records that "Richardus dux et Ingelbertus" installed "Vualonem, fratrem Manasserii comitis qui gener erat B fratris Richardi ducis" as abbot of Flavigny[18]. If this is correct, she was Ermengarde, daughter of Boson King of Provence & [his second wife Ermengardis of Italy]."
Med Lands cites:
[13] Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri, RHGF IX, p. 131.
[14] Chronique de Saint-Bénigne de Dijon, p. 124.
[15] Autun (Charmasse), Vol. I, Part 1, 26, p. 42.
[16] Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri, RHGF IX, p. 131.
[17] Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon 28, p. 53.
[18] Duchesne (1625) Vergy, preuves, p. 17, also quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 373 footnote 80. The text in question does not appear in Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, MGH SS VIII, p. 502.7
[14] Chronique de Saint-Bénigne de Dijon, p. 124.
[15] Autun (Charmasse), Vol. I, Part 1, 26, p. 42.
[16] Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri, RHGF IX, p. 131.
[17] Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon 28, p. 53.
[18] Duchesne (1625) Vergy, preuves, p. 17, also quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 373 footnote 80. The text in question does not appear in Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, MGH SS VIII, p. 502.7
; Per Med Lands:
"daughter ([after 882]-after 11 Aug 887). The existence of more than one daughter of King Boson & his second wife is confirmed by the charter dated 11 Aug 887 under which Emperor Karl III confirms a donation by "neptam nostram Hermingardim…filioque suo Hludouuico nepoti nostro et sororibus eius"[70]. It is not known how many other daughters there may have been. The Annales Bertiniani name "Richardus frater Bosonis" when recording that, after the capture of Vienne by the forces of King Carloman, he took “uxorem Bosonis et filiam eius” back to “comitatum suum Augustudensem” in 882[71], which suggests that any other children were born after the siege of Vienne. same person as…? ERMENGARDE (-after Jun 924). One version of the Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, as reproduced only in a 17th century secondary source, records that "Richardus dux et Ingelbertus" installed "Vualonem, fratrem Manasserii comitis qui gener erat B fratris Rich[ardi ducis" as abbot of Flavigny[72] which, if correct, means that the wife of Manassès was the daughter of King Boson. If this is right, her name suggests that she was the daughter of his second wife, although Chaume proposed that she was the daughter of his first marriage[73].
"m MANASSES [II] Comte de Dijon, son of MANASSES [I] & his wife --- (-925 or after).]"
Med Lands cites:
[70] DD Karl 165, p. 267.
[71] Annales Bertiniani III 882.
[72] Duchesne (1625) Vergy, Preuves, p. 17, also quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 373 footnote 80, the text in question not appearing in Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, MGH SS VIII, p. 502.
[73] Settipani (1993), p. 373, citing Chaume (1925), p. 266 n. 2.3
GAV-29. Ermengarde (?) of Burgundy was also known as Ermengarde (?) de Provence.6[71] Annales Bertiniani III 882.
[72] Duchesne (1625) Vergy, Preuves, p. 17, also quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 373 footnote 80, the text in question not appearing in Series abbatum Flaviniacensium, MGH SS VIII, p. 502.
[73] Settipani (1993), p. 373, citing Chaume (1925), p. 266 n. 2.3
Family | Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy b. c 860, d. a 925 |
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Citations
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