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     Hugues II de Mont-Saint-Jean seigneur de Pouillenay, de Mont-Saint-Jean, Othoisey, Chatel-Censoir, puis de Charny married Elizabeth de Vergy, daughter of Hervé de Vergy, before 1152.^1,2

Hugues II de Mont-Saint-Jean seigneur de Pouillenay, de Mont-Saint-Jean, Othoisey, Chatel-Censoir, puis de Charny died after 1180.¹
      ; per Racines et Histoire: "sans alliance ni postérité.³" EDV-26 GKJ-26. He was living in 1180.¹

     Gui I de Mont-Saint-Jean Sire de Mont-Saint-Jean married (?) de Saulx, daughter of Gui de Saulx.¹

Gui I de Mont-Saint-Jean Sire de Mont-Saint-Jean died circa 1152.¹
     EDV-27 GKJ-27.

     Richilde de Clermont married Dreux III de Mello.

     Dreux III de Mello married Richilde de Clermont, daughter of Hugues II de Creil dit «de Mouchy» (?) Seigneur de Mouchy, Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis and Marguerite de Montdidier of Roucy.

Dreux III de Mello died in 1153.¹

     Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze married Clemence de Mayenne Dame d'Angon, daughter of Geoffroy II/III de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne and Isabelle (?) de Meulan, dame de Beaumont-Le-Roger.^1,4,3,2
Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze was born circa 1150.²
Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze died on 13 January 1196 at Palestine; Leo van de Pas says d. ca 1195.^1,3,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 718a.¹

; Robert de Sable
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Death: 13 Jan 1196, Palestine (on crusade)[1]
Father: Robert de Sable (-1151)
Mother: Hersinde

seigneur de Sable, de la Suze et de Briollay
founder of the abbey of le Peray-aux-Nonnains, and Bois-Renou, 1189[2]

companion of Richard Coeur-de-Lion on the 3rd Crusade;
commander of the English flotilla together with Richard de Camville
[in port at Lisbon, July 1190]

member of the 'financial and disciplinary committee' established at
Messina, Sicily in October 1190 to enforce ban against gambling and
'to control the army's common chest, the fund which took over and
administered half the possessions of those who died while on crusade.
Among its members were the masters of the Temple and the Hospital,
Duke Hugh of Burgundy, Robert de Sable and Andrew de Chauvigny.'[3]

cf. ES I, Band III, Tafel 718 A[2]

Spouse: Clemence de Mayenne
Death: ca 1190[2]
Father: Juhel of Mayenne (-1161)
Mother: Clemence d'Alencon

Children: Geoffrey (->1200)
Philippe
Marguerite (->1238)
Sources:
1. Mike Talbot, "Lusignan and Fougeres," Feb 10, 1999, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, additional information and correction from Olivier Cocheril.
2. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-1995 [3rd series], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
3. John Gillingham, "Richard I," New Haven: Yale University Press, 1999, 129.³ EDV-25 GKJ-25.

     Clemence de Mayenne Dame d'Angon married Robert IV de Nevers seigneur de Sablé, seigneur de La Suze, son of Robert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé and Hersende d'Anthenaise.^7,1,8,2

Clemence de Mayenne Dame d'Angon died circa 1190; Ravilious cites: Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-1995 [3rd series], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.^8,2

     EDV-25 GKJ-25.

     Juhael I de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne married Clémence de Ponthieu, daughter of Guillaume I 'Talvas' (?) Comte de Alençon. Duc de Alençon, Comte de Ponthieu & Montreuil. and Hélie/Alice/Ela (?) de Bourgogne, before 1120.^1,2,6,7

Juhael I de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne died on 23 December 1161.^8,1,2
     EDV-27 GKJ-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 133.¹

; This is the same person as ”Juhel II de Mayenne” at Wikipédia (FR).⁹

; Per Med Lands:
     "JUHEL [I] de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux). "Walterii de Meduana…[et] uxor eius Adelina et filius eorum Hamelinus…alter filius Juhellus" consented to a donation by "Ruellonius de Gorron, filius Gaufredi" of the church of Brecé to Marmoutier, by charter dated to [1099/1124][381]. "Radulfus Filgeriensis" with "his wife Avitia" donated property to the abbey of Holy Trinity, Savigny by charter dated 7 Mar 1113, subscribed by "…Hamelinus Meduanensis, Johellus frater eius"[382]. "Rotbertus miles de Sancto Dionisio" confirmed the donation of property to Mont-Saint-Michel by "pater meus Rotbertus Sancti Dionisii", agreeing to obtain the consent of "Hamelino de Meduana domino meo" by charter dated 1116, signed by "Juhellis fratris Hamelini Meduani"[383]. He succeeded his brother in [1119] as Seigneur de Mayenne. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Joheli de Meduana" in Middlesex[384]. Seigneur de Gorron d'Ambrières et de Châteauneuf 1135[385]. "Juhellus Goualterii filius, dominus castelli Meduanæ…matre mea Adelina et sorore Felicia" organised the transfer of the monks of Saint-Martin to Mayenne castle, for the souls of "Gaufredi…avi mei et Gualterii patris mei…Hamelini fratris mei", by charter dated 1144, witnessed by "…Hugo de Lavalle…"[386]. The 1157 Pipe Roll records "Joheli de Maiena" in Somerset, and "Joheli de Maiena" (twice) under "Nova Placita & Nove Conventiones" in Devonshire[387].
     "m (before [1126]) CLEMENCE de Ponthieu, daughter of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu et d'Alençon, Seigneur de Montgommery et de Bellême & his [first wife ---] (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “una” married “Iuhello filio Walterii de Meduana”[388]. The chronology suggests that Clémence was born from an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage of her father. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[389]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "CLEMENCE de Ponthieu (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “una” married “Iuhello filio Walterii de Meduana”[636]. As noted above, the chronology suggests that Clémence was born from an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage of her father. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[637].
     "m (before [1126]) JUHEL Seigneur de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux)."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Ponthieu): “Clémence de Ponthieu (alias de Bellême) ° 1115 + un 30/11 avant 1189
     ép. avant 1120 (ou 1145 ?) Juhel (Joël) 1er de Mayenne + 23/12/1161 (fils de Gauthier IV de Mayenne et d’Alix (Aline) de Beaugency)”.¹⁰

     Clémence de Ponthieu married Juhael I de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne, son of Gautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne and Adeline/Alix de Presles, before 1120.^9,10,1,3

Clémence de Ponthieu died before 30 November 1189.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "JUHEL [I] de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux). "Walterii de Meduana…[et] uxor eius Adelina et filius eorum Hamelinus…alter filius Juhellus" consented to a donation by "Ruellonius de Gorron, filius Gaufredi" of the church of Brecé to Marmoutier, by charter dated to [1099/1124][381]. "Radulfus Filgeriensis" with "his wife Avitia" donated property to the abbey of Holy Trinity, Savigny by charter dated 7 Mar 1113, subscribed by "…Hamelinus Meduanensis, Johellus frater eius"[382]. "Rotbertus miles de Sancto Dionisio" confirmed the donation of property to Mont-Saint-Michel by "pater meus Rotbertus Sancti Dionisii", agreeing to obtain the consent of "Hamelino de Meduana domino meo" by charter dated 1116, signed by "Juhellis fratris Hamelini Meduani"[383]. He succeeded his brother in [1119] as Seigneur de Mayenne. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Joheli de Meduana" in Middlesex[384]. Seigneur de Gorron d'Ambrières et de Châteauneuf 1135[385]. "Juhellus Goualterii filius, dominus castelli Meduanæ…matre mea Adelina et sorore Felicia" organised the transfer of the monks of Saint-Martin to Mayenne castle, for the souls of "Gaufredi…avi mei et Gualterii patris mei…Hamelini fratris mei", by charter dated 1144, witnessed by "…Hugo de Lavalle…"[386]. The 1157 Pipe Roll records "Joheli de Maiena" in Somerset, and "Joheli de Maiena" (twice) under "Nova Placita & Nove Conventiones" in Devonshire[387].
     "m (before [1126]) CLEMENCE de Ponthieu, daughter of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte de Ponthieu et d'Alençon, Seigneur de Montgommery et de Bellême & his [first wife ---] (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “una” married “Iuhello filio Walterii de Meduana”[388]. The chronology suggests that Clémence was born from an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage of her father. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[389]."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 13:133.¹

; NB: Genealogics says that Clemence's mother was Helie de Bourgogne, but Med Lands says she was an un-named first wife of Clemence's father. Racines et Histoire mentions a possible 1st wife as "Mathilde ?," but doesn't assign children to the wives.
     Med Lands states: "This first marriage is strongly suggested by the marriage date of Guillaume’s daughter Clémence. She is named in Jul 1128 with her son "Gaufrido primogenito" (see below). The addition of the word "primogenito" suggests that there was at least one other younger child at that date. This would place her marriage in late 1125 at the very latest. It is extremely unlikely, therefore, that she could have born from Guillaume’s marriage to Hélie de Bourgogne, the death of whose first husband is recorded in late Apr 1112. The other indication is the unlikelihood that Hélie de Bourgogne could have had eleven children by her second husband, considering her own estimated birth date.]“.^5,1 EDV-25.

; Per Med Lands:
     "CLEMENCE de Ponthieu (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “una” married “Iuhello filio Walterii de Meduana”[636]. As noted above, the chronology suggests that Clémence was born from an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage of her father. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[637].
     "m (before [1126]) JUHEL Seigneur de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux)."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Ponthieu): “Clémence de Ponthieu (alias de Bellême) ° 1115 + un 30/11 avant 1189
     ép. avant 1120 (ou 1145 ?) Juhel (Joël) 1er de Mayenne + 23/12/1161 (fils de Gauthier IV de Mayenne et d’Alix (Aline) de Beaugency)”.²

     Thomas Stewart 2nd Lord Innermeath married Janet Keith, daughter of Sir William Keith 1st Earl Marischal and Mary Hamilton, in 1481.¹

Thomas Stewart 2nd Lord Innermeath died on 9 September 1513 at Battle of Flodden Field, Northumberland, England.²
      ; Thomas, 2nd Ld Innermeath, who was k at the battle of Flodden, 9 Sept 1513. He m 1481, Janet, widow of the Master of Rothes, and dau of William, 1st Earl Marischal of Scotland (see KINTORE, E), and left with other issue, Richard, 3rd Ld Innermeath.³

     Alan Stewart died circa 1463; dsp, died in prison.^1,2

     Archibald Stewart was born before 1452.⁴
Archibald Stewart died after 1452.⁴
      ; Archibald, named in the entail of Lorn, 1452.¹

     Robert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé was born circa 1122.¹ He married Hersende d'Anthenaise, daughter of Savaric d'Anthenaise, circa 1148.¹

Robert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé died before 1152.¹
     EDV-26 GKJ-26.

     Hersende d'Anthenaise married Robert III de Sablé seigneur de Sablé, son of Lisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé and Tephanie de Briole, circa 1148.¹

Hersende d'Anthenaise died circa 1151.
     EDV-26 GKJ-26.

     Savaric d'Anthenaise married an unknown person.

     EDV-27 GKJ-27.

     Hamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise married Dometi (?)
Hamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise was born in 1040.
Hamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise died in 1106.
     EDV-27 GKJ-28.

     Dometi (?) married Hamelin (?) Sire d'Anthenaise.

     EDV-27 GKJ-28.

     Lisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé married Tephanie de Briole, daughter of Geoffroy de Briole and Garnoise di Jarze', before 1120.¹

Lisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé died before 1145.¹
     EDV-27 GKJ-27.

     Tephanie de Briole married Lisiard de Sablé seigneur de Sablé, son of Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable and Hersende de La Suze, before 1120.¹

     EDV-27 GKJ-27. Tephanie de Briole was also known as Tiphaine de Briollay.¹

     Geoffroy de Briole married Garnoise di Jarze'.

Geoffroy de Briole died circa 1103.
     EDV-28 GKJ-28.

     Garnoise di Jarze' married Geoffroy de Briole.

     EDV-28 GKJ-28.

     Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable married Hersende de La Suze.
Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable was born circa 1063.²
Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable died in 1110.^1,2

     Hersende de La Suze married Robert II (?) Vicomte de Sable, son of Robert "the Burgundian" (?) de Nevers, Vicomte de Sable, seigneur de Craon and Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé.

     EDV-28 GKJ-28.

     Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé married Robert "the Burgundian" (?) de Nevers, Vicomte de Sable, seigneur de Craon, son of Renaud I (?) Count of Nevers & Auxerre and Advisa (?) de France, Comtesse d'Auxerre,
; Ravilious cites: Peter Stewart, "Adèle, dau. of Robert II," 25 June 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites no. 92, diploma of Robert's son King Henry I, in _Diplomata belgica ante annum millesimum centesimum scripta_, edited by Maurits Gysseling & Anton Koch, 2 vols, Bouwstoffen en Studiën voor de Geschiedenis en de Lexicografie van het Nederlands 1.^1,2 Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé was born circa 1035.²
Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé died before 1067.²
     EDV-27 GKJ-28. Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé was also known as Blanche (?) dame de Sablé.³

     Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel was born circa 1000 at Normandy, France.
Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel died between 1039 and 1040; killed in battle. Racines et Histoire says "en fcombattant Vauquelin de Ferrières."^2,3,5
     GAV-28 EDV-28.

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [I] "cum barba" de Montfort-sur-Risle (-killed in battle [1035/45]). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Turstinus...de Bastenburc” had “duos filios Willelmum Bertrannum et Hugonem cum barba de Monteforti”[1285]. "…Hugo vicecomes filius Turstingi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1030] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy confirmed rights of Mont Saint-Michel[1286]. Seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Hugo de Monteforti filius Tustini” and “Walchelino de Ferrariis” [a later passage names him “Henricus de Ferrariis”] fought and killed each other, dated to the early part of the reign of Guillaume II Duke of Normandy from the context of the passage[1287].
     "m ---. The name of Hugues's wife is not known.
     "Hugues [I] & his wife had [four] children."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/4:498.⁵ Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel was also known as Hugh I de Montfort Count of Montfort-sur-Risle. Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel was also known as Hugh de Montfort.¹ Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel was also known as Hugh Barbatus.¹

     Jean/Janet Forbes married John Stewart 3rd Earl of Atholl, son of John Stewart 2nd Earl of Atholl and Janet Campbell, before 1542
; her 1st husband.¹ Jean/Janet Forbes married Alexander Hay of Delgaty
; her 2nd husband.¹ Jean/Janet Forbes married William Leslie of Balquhain
; her 3rd husband.¹
      ; 5b Janet; m 1st 3rd Earl of Atholl of the 1457 cr (see MORAY, E); m 2nd Alexander Hay of Delgaty; m 3rd William Leslie of Balquhain (see LESLIE, Bt.)²

     Beatrix (?) de Saint-Valéry married Guermond II de Picquigny chevalier, seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens, son of Arnoul de Picquigny chevalier, seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens.^1,4

Beatrix (?) de Saint-Valéry was buried before 13 February 1144 at Abbaye de Saint-Jean .⁵
Beatrix (?) de Saint-Valéry died before 13 February 1144.^1,2,6
     GAV26.

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "Béatrix de Daours († 13 février 1144), fille de Jean de Daours, seigneur de Daours."⁴

; Per Med Lands:
     "[BEATRIX] de Saint-Valéry (-before 13 Feb 1144, bur Abbaye de Saint-Jean). Domesday Descendants records that the daughter of Renaud de Saint-Valéry was the mother of "Gerard II de Picquigny vidame d’Amiens", presumably indicating Gérard [II], and cites the cartulary of Oseney[760]. The chronology for this connection does not appear ideal, assuming that the dates of the members of the Picquigny family are accurately recorded in the present document. However, a connection (maybe a family relationship) between the Saint-Valéry and Picquigny families is shown by the letter written by Pope Alexander III to Henri Archbishop of Reims, dated 29 Mar 1154, to enforce reparations from "vicedominus Pinciniaco, Bern. de S. Walerico et Gualterius Tyrellus" for the damage which they had caused to the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Selincourt[761]. The wife of Guermond [I] is called Beatrix in secondary sources but the primary source on which this is based, as well as the source which records her date of death and place of burial which are shown above, has not yet been identified.
     "m GUERMOND [I] de Picquigny Vidame d’Amiens, son of --- (-after 1131).]"
Med Lands cites: Beatrix (?) de Saint-Valéry was also known as Beatrix de Daours.⁴

; Per Racines et Histoire (Saint-Valéry, et al): "1) Béatrix de Saint-Valéry + avant 13/02/1144
     ép. Guermond 1er de Picquigny, Vidame d’Amiens + après 1131 postérité Picquigny dont Gérard II"
Per Racines et Histoire (Picquigny): "Guermond II (ou Wermond) de Picquigny ° ~1080 + ~1131 (1128 ?) chevalier, Vidame d’Amiens, croisé (1096), Patriarche Latin de Jérusalem (~04/1118/1119-1128, succède à Arnould), réunit le Concile de Naplouse (1120), Régent du Royaume de Jérusalem (1123-24) pour Baudouin II (emprisonne Adam, Châtelain d’Amiens ; affronte une rebellion communale 1113-17 à Amiens, dans un conflit opposant l’Evêque Adam, le Châtelain Enguerrand, Thomas de Marle et le Roi Louis VI)
     ép. Béatrix de Daours + peu avant 13/02/1144 (inh.)⁶"

     Constance/Clemence de Picquigny married Giles II de Beaumez seigneur de Beaumetz, chevalier, marechal de Cambresis, châtelain de Bapaume, son of Baudouin de Beaumez seigneur de Beaumetz, chevalier, marechal de Cambresis, châtelain de Bapaume, circa 1130.¹

     Guermond III de Picquigny was born circa 1145.¹ He married Flandrine (?) d'Amiens circa 1175.¹

Guermond III de Picquigny died in 1206.¹

     Marguerite de Ponthieu was born circa 1180.¹ She married Enguerrand I de Picquigny seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens, son of Guermond III de Picquigny and Flandrine (?) d'Amiens, in 1209.^6,2

Marguerite de Ponthieu died between 6 November 1224 and 11 November 1224.¹