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     Katherine Arden married Sir Edward Devereux 1st Baronet Devereux, son of Walter Devereux KG, PC, 3rd Lord Ferrers of Chartley, 1st Viscount Hereford and Margaret Garneys.^1,3
Katherine Arden was born circa 1556.³
Katherine Arden died on 2 November 1627.³
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal The Isabel of Essex volume London, 1908., Ruvigny and Raineval, The Marquis of. Table XXIX
     2. The Complete Baronetage, London, Microprint 1983. , Cokayne, George Edward. I 88
     3. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938. 1286
     4. The Genealogist Published in New York . 2002.³

     (?) de Bardolf died before 1 July 1225.¹
     GAV-24.

; per Ravilious: "unnamed daughter; died before 1 July 1225, on which date her daughter Iseude was recorded as having done homage for his inheritance of her uncle, Robert Bardolf[14],[15]"
Ravilious cites:
14. Charles Roberts, ed., "Excerpta ex Rotulis Finium," The
Commissioners of the Public Records of the Kingdom, Vol I
(1216-1246), 1835, full title: Excerpta e Rotulis Finium in Turri
Londinensi asservatis, Henrico Tertio Rege, A.D. 1216-1272.
15. John P. Ravilious, "Re: DD Correction: the Bardolfs of Ilketshall,
Suffolk, Waddington, Lincs. & c.," January 19, 2003, email,
therav3@aol.com (paper copy: library of John Ravilious, cites
Excerpta e Rotulis Finium, I:129, also Complete Peerage (Grey;
Poyntz; Bardolf);, contributions by Paul Reed, FASG (re: Farrer,
Honors and Knights Fees, ii:17 and others), Todd Farmerie, Cris
Nash and Roz Griston.¹

     Sir Richard de Grey married Lucy (?)¹

Sir Richard de Grey died before 26 May 1298; Ravilious cites5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and
the United Kingdom.¹
      ; Death: bef 26 May 1298[5]
knt., of Sandiacre, co. Derbys.
summoned to attend the King at Shrewsbury by writ dated 28 June 1283,
directed 'Ricardo de Grey' [CP VI:166]

' In 1294 Richard de Grey and Lucy his wife settled the manor of
Erliston [Arleston] which was of her right on Lucy, da. of the said
Richard de Grey, and the heirs of her body; and the manor of
Sutton-in-Dale (also of the right of Lucy, the wife) on Henry de
Sutton for life (Feet of Fines, Derby, Mich. 22 Edw. I). '
[CP VI:166, note (d)[5]]

cf. CP VI:165-6[5]
Spouse: Lucy
Children: Lucy
William (-<1298.)¹

     Lucy (?) married Sir Richard de Grey, son of Sir William de Grey Knt., of Cavendish, Landford and Sandiacre, co. Derbys.¹

     William de Grey married Joan (?)¹

William de Grey died before 26 May 1298; d.v.p.¹

     Joan (?) married William de Grey, son of Sir Richard de Grey and Lucy (?).¹

     Richard de Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. married Felicia (?)¹
Richard de Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. was born circa 25 March 1288.¹
Richard de Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. died before 24 December 1310.¹
      ; Revilious cites: CP VI:166.¹

     Felicia (?) married Richard de Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys., son of William de Grey and Joan (?).¹

     Sir William de Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. was born circa 1307.¹
Sir William de Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. died in 1369.¹
      ; Revilious cites: CP VI:167.¹

     Alice de Grey married Sir Edward Hillary, son of Henry Hillary.¹

      ; Heir of her father, Revilious cites: CP VI:167 and note (g.)¹

     Sir Edward Hillary married Alice de Grey, daughter of Sir William de Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys.¹

Sir Edward Hillary died in 1362.¹
      ; Ravilious cites: 5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and
the United Kingdom.¹

     John Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. married Emma (?)¹
John Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. was born before 1355.¹
John Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. died on 6 September 1403.¹
      ; Birth: bef 1355[5]
Death: 6 Sep 1403[5]

of Sandiacre, co. Derbys.

Sheriff of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, 1395[5]

birth name John Hillary:
' after his father's death in the custody of his grandfather, Sir
William de Grey. On or before 13 May 1390 he assumed the name of
Grey. ' [5]

cf. CP VI:168[5]
Genealogics I00272015[16], cites The Lineage and Ancestry of
H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977.,
Gerald Paget, Reference: Q 116505

Spouse: Emma

Children: Isabel (ca1377-)
Alice (ca1382-.)¹ John Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. was also known as John Hillary.¹ He was Sheriff of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire in 1395.¹

     Emma (?) married John Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys., son of Sir Edward Hillary and Alice de Grey.¹

     Alice Grey married John Leek Esq.¹
Alice Grey was born circa 1382.¹
      ; Birth: ca 1382[5]

coheir of her father

cf. CP VI:168[5]
Genealogics I00272014[16], cites The Lineage and Ancestry of
H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977.,
Gerald Paget, Reference: Q 116505

Spouse: John Leek, Esq.

Children: William.¹

     John Leek Esq married Alice Grey, daughter of John Grey of Sandiacre, co. Derbys. and Emma (?).¹

      ; Birth: ca 1382[5]

coheir of her father

cf. CP VI:168[5]
Genealogics I00272014[16], cites The Lineage and Ancestry of
H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977.,
Gerald Paget, Reference: Q 116505

Spouse: John Leek, Esq.

Children: William
Raviliious cites: 5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and
the United Kingdom.¹

     Ralph Leche of Chatsworth married Elizabeth Leake, daughter of Thomas Leake Esq., of Hasland, co. Derby and Margaret Fox, after 1527
; her 2nd husband.^1,2

     John Hardwick of Hardwick, Derbyshire married Elizabeth Pinchbeck, daughter of Sir Thomas Pinchbeck Knt., of Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire and Anne Greene.^4,2,3
John Hardwick of Hardwick, Derbyshire was born circa 1470.^1,2
John Hardwick of Hardwick, Derbyshire died between 22 February 1506 and 1507.^1,3,2
      ; van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: O 29125.³

     Elizabeth Pinchbeck married John Hardwick of Hardwick, Derbyshire, son of John Hardwick of Hardwick, Derbyshire and Elizabeth Bakewell.^3,2,7

      ; van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: O 29126.³

     Thomas Cavendish of Cavendish Overhall married Alice Smith of Podbrook Hall.^2,3

Thomas Cavendish of Cavendish Overhall died in 1524.^1,2
      ; van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: ancestor M 7281.²

     Alice Smith of Podbrook Hall married Thomas Cavendish of Cavendish Overhall.^3,2

Alice Smith of Podbrook Hall died on 12 July 1515.^1,2
      ; van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: ancestor M 7281.²

     John de Sanford married Alice Basset.

     GAV-22 EDV-22.

; In a message dated 9/10/05 12:07:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rbevan@paradise.net.nz writes:

<< John de Sanford=Cecily de Sewardstone
|
John de Sanford=Alice Basset
|
Gilbert de Sanford=Loretta la Zouche
|
Alice de Sanford=Robert de Vere >>


Thank you Rosie, this extends the ancestry I had for James Claypoole, the immigrant, who descends from this Alice.
Will Johnson.¹

     Alice Basset married John de Sanford, son of John de Sanford and Cecily de Sewardstone.

     GAV-22 EDV-22.

; In a message dated 9/10/05 12:07:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rbevan@paradise.net.nz writes:

<< John de Sanford=Cecily de Sewardstone
|
John de Sanford=Alice Basset
|
Gilbert de Sanford=Loretta la Zouche
|
Alice de Sanford=Robert de Vere >>


Thank you Rosie, this extends the ancestry I had for James Claypoole, the immigrant, who descends from this Alice.
Will Johnson.¹

     John de Sanford married Cecily de Sewardstone.

      ; In a message dated 9/10/05 12:07:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rbevan@paradise.net.nz writes:

<< John de Sanford=Cecily de Sewardstone
|
John de Sanford=Alice Basset
|
Gilbert de Sanford=Loretta la Zouche
|
Alice de Sanford=Robert de Vere >>


Thank you Rosie, this extends the ancestry I had for James Claypoole, the immigrant, who descends from this Alice.
Will Johnson.¹ GAV-23 EDV-23.¹

     Cecily de Sewardstone married John de Sanford.

      ; In a message dated 9/10/05 12:07:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rbevan@paradise.net.nz writes:

<< John de Sanford=Cecily de Sewardstone
|
John de Sanford=Alice Basset
|
Gilbert de Sanford=Loretta la Zouche
|
Alice de Sanford=Robert de Vere >>

Thank you Rosie, this extends the ancestry I had for James Claypoole, the immigrant, who descends from this Alice.
Will Johnson.¹ GAV-23 EDV-23.¹

     Unknown (?) married Sir John Hawkwood
; his 1st wife.^1,2
      ; The problem is that Sir John Hawkwood appears to have been married twice.

What I have is
Sir John Hawkwood
born about 1325 Hedingham, Sible, England
died 17 March 1394 Florence, Italy
married (1) ....name not known to me
--------parents of Antiochia Mary, married Sir William Coggeshall
married (2) May 1377 in Milan, Donnina Visconti, illegitimate daughter of Barnabo Visconti, Lord of Milan, by Porina
-------parents of (at least) Anna , Caterina (married Konrad Prospergh), Zannetta (married NN Brezaglia, Count of Porcia)

This means that the Coggeshall descendants miss out on the Visconti ancestry. Can anyone add to this?
Many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


----- Original Message ----- From: "bonnie"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: Coggeshall - Hawkwood


> "Sutliff" wrote:
>
> << Yes, Leo, Henry d. 1375 was father of William (1358-1426).
> His wife was Joan Welle, daughter of Sir William Welle of Great Sampford, Essex and Exning, Suffolk.
>
> I believe Alice Cogeshall's sister Matilda, wife of John St. George d. bef. 1425 of Hatley St. George, Camb. .... >>
>
> Are there additional siblings for Alice Coggeshall?
> How much is known of her maternal grandmother (wife of John Hawkwood) [allegedly?] from the family of a duke of Milan?
>
> Thank you,
> Bonnie
> Oakland, California.²

; I posted (in the archives) a mention of this book when I purchased it last March at Harrods. The author discusses Hawkwood's first wife on page 47. She goes on to further speculate that she may well have been a de Vere:

"There is evidence to support a marriage, though this, his first spouse, has never been identified, although it is generally agreed that the union produced a daughter, Antiocha. The name suggests that Hawkwood's wife may have been a de Vere: it is associated with a miracle that was said to have occurred during the fighting in Antioch during the First Crusade in 1098. Night was falling and the Saracens were stealing away in the darkness when a bright star appeared on Robert de Vere's shield, illuminating the battlefield and allowing the Christians to overwhelm the enemy."

HS

P. S. John Hawkwood's father Gilbert died in late July 1340 and requested burial at Saint Peter's Church in Sible Hedingham (about a mile from the Vere residence in Castle Hedingham). John Hawkwood had an elder brother also named John. She assumes that Hawkwood's mother (unnamed) predeceased her husband. Daughter Beatrice is not mentioned in the book.

wrote in message
news:20d.92e62d8.30595720@aol.com...

>> There has recently been published a biography of John Hawkwood, but I
>> don't
>> think it gives any details of his first wife. I did start reading it, but
>> did not get very far.
>>
>> "Hawkwood Diabolical Englishman" by Frances Stonor Saunders published by
>> Faber and Faber, London 2004.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> In a message dated 14/09/2005 05:10:29 GMT Standard Time,
>> bonniegaia@comcast.net writes:
>>
>> Sutliff" wrote:
>>
>> << Yes, Leo, Henry d. 1375 was father of William (1358-1426).
>> His wife was Joan Welle, daughter of Sir William Welle of Great
>> Sampford, Essex and Exning, Suffolk.
>>
>> I believe Alice Cogeshall's sister Matilda, wife of John St. George d.
>> bef. 1425 of Hatley St. George, Camb. .... >>
>>
>>
>> Bonnie replied
>>
>>
>>
>> Are there additional siblings for Alice Coggeshall?
>> How much is known of her maternal grandmother (wife of John Hawkwood)
>> [allegedly?] from the family of a duke of Milan?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bonnie
>> Oakland, California.¹

     Antiochia Mary Hawkwood married Sir William de Coggeshall of Codham Hall, son of Sir Henry de Coggeshall Mp and Joan de Welle.^2,3

      ; The problem is that Sir John Hawkwood appears to have been married twice.

What I have is
Sir John Hawkwood
born about 1325 Hedingham, Sible, England
died 17 March 1394 Florence, Italy
married (1) ....name not known to me
--------parents of Antiochia Mary, married Sir William Coggeshall
married (2) May 1377 in Milan, Donnina Visconti, illegitimate daughter of Barnabo Visconti, Lord of Milan, by Porina
-------parents of (at least) Anna , Caterina (married Konrad Prospergh), Zannetta (married NN Brezaglia, Count of Porcia)

This means that the Coggeshall descendants miss out on the Visconti ancestry. Can anyone add to this?
Many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


----- Original Message ----- From: "bonnie"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: Coggeshall - Hawkwood


> "Sutliff" wrote:
>
> << Yes, Leo, Henry d. 1375 was father of William (1358-1426).
> His wife was Joan Welle, daughter of Sir William Welle of Great Sampford, Essex and Exning, Suffolk.
>
> I believe Alice Cogeshall's sister Matilda, wife of John St. George d. bef. 1425 of Hatley St. George, Camb. .... >>
>
> Are there additional siblings for Alice Coggeshall?
> How much is known of her maternal grandmother (wife of John Hawkwood) [allegedly?] from the family of a duke of Milan?
>
> Thank you,
> Bonnie
> Oakland, California.¹