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     Henri de Ferrières seigneur de Ferrières et de Chambrais was born circa 1036 at Tutbury, Staffordshire, England.^3,2 He married Bertha Roberts circa 1061.^3,4,2

Henri de Ferrières seigneur de Ferrières et de Chambrais died in 1101 at Tutbury, Staffordshire, England.²
Henri de Ferrières seigneur de Ferrières et de Chambrais was buried in 1101 at Tutbury, Staffordshire, England.^5,2
     He was sire de Ferrieres and Chambrains, Normandy at Normandy, France.

; "The first of this eminent family that settled in England was Henry de Feriers (son of Walcheline de Feriers, a Norman), who obtained from William the Conqueror, a grant of Tutbury Castle, co. Stafford with extensive possessions in other shires, of which 114 manors were in Derbyshire. This person must have been of considerable rank, not only from these enormous grants, but from the circumstances of his being one of the commissioners appointed by the Conqueror to make the great survey of the kingdom. He was the founder of the priory of Tutbury, which he liberally endowed. By Berta his wife, he had issue, Egenulph, d. v. p; William, d. v. p; Robert, his successor; Gundred; and Emmeline. His only surviving son and heir, Robert de Ferrers..."⁶ GAV-25 EDV-25 GKJ-26. Henri de Ferrières seigneur de Ferrières et de Chambrais was also known as Henry de Ferrieres Lord of Ferrieres.^3,5,7,4 Henri de Ferrières seigneur de Ferrières et de Chambrais was also known as Henry de Ferrers Lord Ferrers.⁸

; Weis AR-7 132C-28.⁹ He was Lord of Tutbury and Lechlade circa 1070.²

     Hugh II de Mortimer Lord Mortimer of Wigmore was born circa 1100 at Wigmore, Herefordshire Unitary Authority, Herefordshire, England.⁴ He married Maud/Matilda Le Meschin, daughter of William de Meschines Lord of Skipton-in-Craven, co. York and Cecily de Rumilly Lady of Skipton, in 1150
;
Her 2nd husband.^4,2,7
Hugh II de Mortimer Lord Mortimer of Wigmore was buried between 1180 and 1181 at Wigmore Abbey, Wigmore, Herefordshire Unitary Authority, Herefordshire, England; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1117
     DEATH     26 Feb 1180 (aged 62–63), Wigmore, Herefordshire Unitary Authority, Herefordshire, England
     Hugh names his father and paternal grandfather in a charter of confirmation to Saint-Victor-en-Caux. In 1144 he initiated the reconquest of the Marches conquered by the Welsh after the death of King Henry I, capturing Rhys ap Howel in 1145, killing Meredith ap Madog in 1146, and blinding the former in 1148.
Hugh married and had a son also named HughHugh de Mortimer was a Norman English medieval baron.
     He was the son of Hugh de Mortimer. He was Lord of Wigmore Castle, Cleobury Mortimer and at times, Bridgnorth, Bishop's Castle and Maelienydd
During the Anarchy of King Stephen's reign, Mortimer was an ardent royalist until 1148. This was because Wigmore Castle had been confiscated from his father by King Henry I.
     He did quarrel violently with his neighboring Lords, mostly with Miles, earl of Hereford, his son Roger and Josse de Dinant, lord of Ludlow. Hugh was one of the Barons who objected to Henry II's demand for the return of Royal castles in 1155. Henry II launched a campaign in May 1155 against Hugh, simultaneously besieging his three principal castles of Wigmore, Bridgnorth and Cleobury. On July 7, 1155, Hugh formally submitted to Henry II at the Council at Bridgnorth. He was allowed to keep his own two castles (though Cleobury had been destroyed during the siege) but Bridgnorth returned to the crown
     About 1148 a Hugh married Maud Le Meschin, daughter of William Le Meschin, lord of Skipton, Yorkshire, and Cecily de Rumigny. Matilda was the widow of Philip Belmeis of Tong. Their son:
     **Roger Mortimer of Wigmore succeeded his father as lord of Wigmore.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Ralph Mortimer 1054–1137
          Melisende de Ferrers 1065–1088
     Spouse
          Maud Meschin unknown–1214
     Siblings
          Hawise de Mortimer d'Aumale 1078–1139
     Children
          Roger Mortimer 1158–1214
     BURIAL     Wigmore Abbey, Wigmore, Herefordshire Unitary Authority, Herefordshire, England
     Maintained by: A.D.L
     Originally Created by: L. C. B.
     Added: 22 Aug 2010
     Find a Grave Memorial 57482765.⁸
Hugh II de Mortimer Lord Mortimer of Wigmore died between 26 February 1180 and 1181 at Cleobury.^9,1,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 383.⁴

; Per Genealogics:
     "Hugh was born before 1117, the son of Ralph de Mortemer, seigneur de Saint Victor-en-Caux, and his wife Melisende. Between 1148 and 1153 Hugh married Maud Le Meschin, daughter of William Meschin, lord of Copeland, and Cecily de Rumilly, lady of Skipton, and the widow of Philip Belmeis of Tong, in Shropshire. They had a son Roger who would have progeny.
     "Hugh was described as 'a proud and turbulent spirit'. Wigmore Castle had been confiscated from his father by King Henry I. However during the anarchy of King Stephen's reign he was one of Stephen's ardent supporters. He only seems to have returned to England from his Norman estates in 1137. After the death of Stephen, Hugh opposed the accession of King Henry II. Inducing Roger, earl of Hereford, to fortify his castles of Gloucester and Hereford against Henry, he did the same with his castles of Cleobury, Wigmore and Bridgenorth (a royal castle he had taken over). Gilbert Foliot, bishop of Hereford, persuaded his kinsman, the earl of Hereford, to submit to the king, but Hugh held out, forcing the king to raise an army against him.
     "At that time, Hugh was also embroiled in a feud with Joceas de Dynant, lord of Ludlow, which had reached the point where Joceas would not leave his own castle for fear of being taken prisoner. To counteract this, Joceas placed his spies around Hugh and was able to capture him. Hugh was detained until he paid a ransom of 3,000 marks of silver.
     "Hugh was one of the barons who objected to Henry II's demand for the return of royal castles in 1155. Henry II launched a campaign in May 1155 against Hugh, simultaneously besieging his three principal castles of Wigmore, Bridgnorth and Cleobury. On 7 July 1155 Hugh formally submitted to Henry II at the Council at Bridgnorth. He was allowed to keep his own two castles (though Cleobury had been destroyed during the siege) but Bridgnorth returned to the crown. Often engaged in fighting against the Welsh, Hugh erected fortified castles in Wales. He also finished the abbey of Wigmore started by his father, and in his old age he became a canon in the abbey. He died in 1188."⁴

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Hugh de Mortimer (c.1100 – 26 February 1180/81) was a Norman English medieval lord.
Lineage
     "The son of Ranulph de Mortimer, he was Lord of Wigmore Castle, Stratfield Mortimer, Cleobury Mortimer and at times, Bridgnorth, Bishop's Castle and Maelienydd.
Anarchy
     "During the Anarchy of King Stephen's reign, Mortimer was an ardent royalist[clarification needed] until at least 1148. This was because Wigmore Castle had been confiscated from his father by King Henry I. He only seems to have returned to England from his Norman estates in 1137.
Private Wars
     "He did quarrel violently with his neighbouring Lords, most notably with Miles, earl of Hereford, his son Roger and Josce de Dinan, lord of Ludlow. The latter ambushed Mortimer and only released him after the payment of a substantial ransom. During this time Mortimer also took over the Royal castle at Bridgnorth.
Opposition to King Henry II
     "Hugh was one of the Barons who objected to Henry II's demand for the return of Royal castles in 1155. Henry II launched a campaign in May 1155 against Hugh, simultaneously besieging his three principal castles of Wigmore, Bridgnorth and Cleobury. On 7 July 1155, Hugh formally submitted to Henry II at the Council at Bridgnorth. He was allowed to keep his own two castles (though Cleobury had been destroyed during the siege) but Bridgnorth returned to the crown.[1]
Marriage & issue
     "Between 1148 and 1155 Hugh married Maud le Meschin (also known as Maud/Matilde du Bessin), daughter of William Meschin, Lord of Skipton, Yorkshire, and Cecily de Rumilly. Maud (Matilda) was the widow of Philip Belmeis of Tong. Hugh and Maud's son Roger Mortimer of Wigmore succeeded his father as Lord of Wigmore. Hugh and Maud had three other sons, Hugh (killed in a tournament), Ralph, and William. Hugh may have died 26 Feb 1180/81 in Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire, England, and was buried at Wigmore.[2]
Notes
1. Warren, p. 60-61
2. "England, Earls Created 1207-1466". Retrieved 27 July 2014.
Sources
** Cawley, Charles, Medieval Lands Project on the Mortimers and the Earls of March, Medieval Lands database, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy,[self-published source][better source needed]: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#_Toc127590546
** Remfry., P.M., Wigmore Castle, 1066 to 1181 (ISBN 1-899376-14-3)
** Weis, Frederick Lewis Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonist Who Came To America Before 1700 (7th ed.), line 136-24
** Davies, Norman, The Isles: A History
** Barber, Richard, Henry Plantagenet
** Warren, W.L. (1973). Henry II. ISBN 0-520-03494-5."¹⁰

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGH [II] de Mortimer, son of RALPH [I] de Mortimer & his [second/third wife Mabel ---/---] (-Cleobury [26 Feb] [1180/81], bur Wigmore). A manuscript narrating the foundation of Wigmore Abbey names “Radulpho de Mortuomari…filium suum Hugonem”[259]. Ralph is named as the father of Hugh in other sources which are quoted below. Debate surrounding Hugh [II] de Mortimer has focussed on whether there was one individual named Hugh Mortimer or two, father and son, during the 12th century. The difficulty is that Hugh [II]´s career would have been unusually long if there had been only one person named Hugh. Eyton proceeds on the assumption that there was only one Hugh [II] de Mortimer, who was the father of Roger de Mortimer (who died in 1214)[260]. He bases this on the manuscript narrating the foundation of Wigmore Abbey, which is quoted throughout this section of the present document, although he does suggest that the document is unreliable[261]. More recently, Paul Remfry has also suggested that there was only one Hugh [II] de Mortimer[262]. All the sources which are quoted below suggest a continuous career of one individual, there being no hint about a succession from father to son during the period in question. The Complete Peerage, on the other hand, suggests that it "would seem a chronological impossibility" if there had been only one Hugh de Mortimer, considering that Ralph [I] de Mortimer was already married to his second wife in 1088 and that his supposed grandson Roger de Mortimer died in 1214[263]. It is true that, if we assume that Hugh [II] was born in the last years of the 11th century, he must have been in his late eighties or early nineties if he died in [1180/81]. However, this assumes that (1) Ralph [I]´s second wife was the mother of Hugh [II], and (2) that Ralph [II] died at the beginning of the 12th century. Neither of these assumptions would be correct if Hugh [II] was born from an otherwise unrecorded third marriage of Ralph [I], and if Ralph [I] survived some years after his last appearance in the sources in 1104. Both of these possibilities are discussed further above. Another apparent indication that there must have been two persons named Hugh de Mortimer is the dating of Hugh´s known marriage. This marriage with Matilda, widow of Philip de Belmeis, could not have taken place much before 1150 (her first husband was living in 1145). At that time, Hugh [II] would have been in his fifties if he had been born at the turn of the century. The chronology is thus difficult, but certainly not an "impossibility". Two other facts point to Hugh [II] having a long career. Firstly, William of Newburgh refers to Hugh as "nobilem annis jam plurimis" in 1155[264]. Secondly, the Anglo-Norman history of the foundation of Wigmore abbey records that "Hugh de Mortimer" died "at a good old age".
     "Hugh´s first documented appearance in the sources dates to before 1130: "…Hugone de Mortuomari…" witnessed the charter under which "Giroldus abbas S. Luciani Bellovacensis" confirmed the foundation of the abbey by "Stephano comiti Albæmarlensi"[265]. Although the document is undated, its wording suggests that Etienne Comte d´Aumâle was still alive at the time, therefore dating it to before 1130. Hugues Archbishop of Rouen confirmed donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by charter dated 1137, including property "apud Wellas" in "feudo Hugonis de Mortuo mari" and property "apud Sanctum Victorem" donated by "Radulfi de Mortuo mari et filii eius Hugonis", the property described in an earlier part of the same document as "de feudo Hugonis de Mortuo mari"[266]. "Hugo de Mortuo mari" confirmed the donations made "tam a patre meo Radulfo, quam ab avo meo Rogerio" to Saint-Victor-en-Caux, and other past donations including all donations of property in England "antequam duxissem uxorem", by undated charter issued "in communi expeditione Domini Normannie", witnessed by "Hugonem et Vuillelmum filios meos…Ricardum de Altifago…Renaldum de Vassumvilla…Brianim de Jai et Heliam patrem eius…Vuillelmum fratrem meum…"[267]. In 1144, he initiated the reconquest of the Marches conquered by the Welsh after the death of King Henry I, capturing Rhys ap Howel in 1145, killing Meredith ap Madog in 1146, and blinding the former in 1148[268]. The Annales Cambriæ record that "Hugo de Mortuo Mari" captured "Resum filium Hoeli" in 1145, killed "Maredut filium Madauc filium Ithuert" in 1146, and blinded "Resum filium Hoeli" in prison in 1148[269]. William of Newburgh records that "Hugonem de Mortuomari virum fortem et nobilem annis jam plurimis" ("annis jam plurimis" indicating that the passage refers to Hugh [I]) refused to surrender "castro de Brigia" to King Henry II, dated to 1155[270]. Robert de Torigny records that "Hugo de Mortuo Mari, vir arrogantissimus et de se præsumens" fortified "castella sua" against the king, who captured and destroyed "Bruge, Wigemore, Cleoberei", in 1155, but adding in a later passage in the same year that "Non Jul…Hugo de Mortuo Mari" made peace with the king and "castellis Bruge et Wigemore" were returned[271]. The Complete Peerage says that Hugh [II] "seems to have died in the period [1148/50]"[272]. However, the passage from William of Newburgh, quoted above, indicates that Hugh [II] survived into the reign of King Henry II. “H. de Mortuomari” donated property to Kington St Michael, for the soul of “Rogeri fratris mei”, by undated charter[273]. "Hugo de Mortuo Mari" founded Wigmore abbey by charter witnessed by "the Lord Hugh de Lacy, the Lord Robert Corbet, the Lord Robert Rowles…" (undated, but the names of the witnesses suggest dating to the 1170s), the charter quoted in a charter of King Henry VIII dated 1509[274]. The Red Book of the Exchequer records enfeoffments in the duchy of Normandy in [1172], "Hugo de Mortuo Mari" with 5 knights and 13 knights and one half in his own service[275]. "H. de Mortuomari" donated the church of Vatterville to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by charter dated to after 1179, witnessed by "Hugone filio meo, Rogero filio meo…Willelmo fratre meo, Willelmo nepote meo…Reginaldo de Vassunvilla…"[276]. A manuscript narrating the foundation of Wigmore Abbey records that Hugh died “26 Feb 1185”[277]. The Annals of Worcester record the death in 1185 of “Hugo de Mortuo Mari, fundator abbathiæ de Wiggemore” and his burial “ad ostium capituli Wigorniæ”[278]. An Anglo-Norman history of the foundation of Wigmore abbey records that "Hugh de Mortimer" died "at Cleobury at a good old age and full of good works" ("en bone veleste et pleine de bones eovres"), was buried at Wigmore, and succeeded by his son Roger who "was held in the king´s keeping for the death of one named Cadwallan"[279].
     "m ([1150]) as her second husband, MATILDA de Rumilly, widow of PHILIP de Belmeis, daughter of WILLIAM FitzRanulf Meschin, of Skipton-in-Craven & his wife Cecily de Rumilly (-after 1189[280]). The Complete Peerage explains the the documents which confirm her parentage and second marriage[281]: including (1) pleadings in a suit concerning land at Kimbolton, Hampshire, and in a suit dated Jan 1282 in the Chester County Court, which both name Roger de Mortimer as son and heir of "Maud la Meschine"[282]; (2) Roger Mortimer´s grant of rents in Bisley given to him by "his brothers Philip and Ranulph de Belmeis"[283]; (3) “Philippus de Belmeis” founding Lilleshall Abbey, Shropshire by undated charter, witnessed by “Philippus filius Philippi de Belmis…domina Matilda filia Willielmi Meschin uxor prædicti Philippi de Belmis…”[284]. A manuscript narrating the foundation of Wigmore Abbey records that she was “Matildem Longespey, filiam Willielmi Longespey, ducis Normanniæ”[285] but this is confused and cannot possibly be correct. The undated charter, under which "Hugo de Mortuo mari" confirmed various donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux and other past donations including all donations of property in England "antequam duxissem uxorem"[286], indicates that Hugh married only once."
Med Lands cites: GAV-23.

Reference: Weis [1992:117] 132C-27.⁹

; Per Racines et Histoire: "? Hugues 1er de Mortimer ° ~1108 + 1189 baron de Wigmore, châtelain de Cleobury, Wigmore et Brugges (= Bridgenorth) finit chanoine à l’abbaye de Wigmore
     ép. Mathilde de Briquessart (alias Maud de Meschines) ° 1126/44 (Harringworth) + après 1190 (fille de Guillaume de Briquessart, dit de Meschines, et de Cécile de Romilly ; veuve de ?) tige de la branche anglaise des Mortimer.¹¹ "

     Sir John de Stonegrave of Stonegrave, Yorkshire married Ida Wake, daughter of Sir Baldwin Wake Knt., Lord of Bourne and Liddel and Ela de Beauchamp, before 1273
; left issue.^4,5,2,3
Sir John de Stonegrave of Stonegrave, Yorkshire died on 20 April 1295.^1,3
     GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-24.

; van de Pas cites: Ancestors of Cassandra Elizabeth Taylor 2003, Taylor, Nathaniel, Reference: Wentworth Line.¹ Sir John de Stonegrave of Stonegrave, Yorkshire was also known as John de Steynegreve.⁴

     Isabel de Condet (Cundy) married Hugh (The Elder) de Bardolf.^2,1
Isabel de Condet (Cundy) was born after 1136.¹
Isabel de Condet (Cundy) died after 1166.²
      ; Birth: aft 1136
Death: aft 1165[12]

had manor of South Carlton, co. Lincoln as her maritagium [Grimston, co. Notts either her inheritance or also part of her maritagium][13]

identified as daughter of Robert de Condet and Adeliza 'le Meschin'[12], and
as granddaughter of Ranulf, Earl of Chester[12]
[supported by indication of the lands of her maritagium]

Spouse: Hugh Bardolf
Death: ca 1176[12]
Father: NN Bardolf

Children: Beatrice (-<1225)
Hugh (->1197)
Robert (-<1225)
NN
NN (-<1225)
Juliana (-<1218)
Matilda (->1225.)¹ GAV-25.

; Weis [AR7] 132D-28.³ She was living in 1166.²

     Nicholas de Audley 1st Lord Audley of Heleigh was born on 11 November 1289 at Heighly, Staffordshire, England; Richardsons says b. 11 Nov. 1292.^5,6,1 He married Joan Martin, daughter of William Martin 1st Lord Martin and Eleanor Fitz Piers, before 6 June 1313
; her 2nd husband.^7,8,1,2,9
Nicholas de Audley 1st Lord Audley of Heleigh died on 28 November 1316 at Heighly, Staffordshire, England, at age 27; van de Pas says d. 1319.^5,6,1,2
     GKJ-22.

; van de Pas cites: Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, Reference: 182.² Nicholas de Audley 1st Lord Audley of Heleigh was also known as Nicholas de Alditheley 1st Baron Audley of Heleigh.^8,2

; Weis [AR7] 71-33.¹⁰ He was M.P. between 1312 and 1316.⁵ He was Lord Audley of Heleigh on 8 January 1313.⁸

     Joan Martin was born circa 1296.³ She married Henry de Lacy 3rd Earl of Lincoln, son of Edmund de Lacy 2nd Earl of Lincoln and Alaisia del Vasto, before 16 June 1310
; Her 1st husband.^2,3 Joan Martin married Nicholas de Audley 1st Lord Audley of Heleigh, son of Sir Nicholas de Audley Knt., Lord Audley and Katherine Giffard, before 6 June 1313
; her 2nd husband.^5,1,2,6,3
Joan Martin died before 27 October 1322.^7,2,3
      ; van de Pas cites: Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, Reference: 182.³

     William Martin 1st Lord Martin was born circa 1257.¹ He married Eleanor Fitz Piers, daughter of Sir Reginald (Reynold) Fitz Piers Lord of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock and Alice/Amice de Stanford of Stanford Dingley, co. Berks, before January 1281.^4,5,6,1

William Martin 1st Lord Martin died before 8 October 1324.¹
William Martin 1st Lord Martin died before 8 October 1324.⁵
      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VII 686.¹

; Weis [AR7] line 71-33.⁴

     Eleanor Fitz Piers was born at Bleweny, Wales.⁴ She married Henry de Lacy Earl of Lincoln.⁵
Eleanor Fitz Piers married Sir John de Mohun, son of Sir John de Mohun od dunster and Joan de Ferrers.^6,1
Eleanor Fitz Piers married William Martin 1st Lord Martin, son of Nicholas Martin Baron of Kemes and Maud de Brian, before January 1281.^5,4,1,7

      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VII 686; VIII 537; IX 21.¹

; Weis [AR7] line 71-33.⁵

     Simon de Joinville Senechal of Champagne was born circa 1180.³ He married Ermengarde de Montclair before 1209
;      His 1st wife.^3,4,5,6 Simon de Joinville Senechal of Champagne married Beatrix (?) d'Auxonne-Bourgogne, daughter of Etienne III (?) Cmte d'Auxonne and Béatrix/Beatrice de Châlons Comtesse de Châlons, in 1222
;
Her 2nd husband; His 2nd wife.^7,8,9,10,3,4
Simon de Joinville Senechal of Champagne died circa April 1233; Genealogics and Med Lands say d. May 1233.^1,8,3,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Ravilious email: Brad, there is no Lusignan/Angouleme ancestry involved with Alix de Joinville. She was the younger daughter of the historian/seneschal Jean de Joinville, great-uncle of Joan (or Jeanne) de Joinville/Geneville:

Simon = Beatrice de
de Joinville I Auxonnne
d. ca. Apr 1233 I
______________________I________________
I I I
Jean de Joinville Geoffrey = Maud
d. 1317 de Joinville I de Lacy
= 2) Alix de Reynel d. 1314 I
(or Risnel) ____I
I I
________________I______ ___________I___________
I I I I I I I
Jean Anseau I ALIX Geoffrey Piers Simon
_____I = Jean dvp dvp bef dvp
I or John 8 Jun 1292
I of Lancaster Lord of Trim
I = Jeanne de Lusignan
Marguerite I
I
JEANNE/JOAN de Geneville
heiress of her grandparents
d. 19 Oct 1356
= Roger de Mortimer
(ex. 1330.)¹


; This is the same person as ”Simon de Joinville” at Wikipédia (Fr.)¹¹

; Per Genealogics:
     “Simon was a younger son of Geoffroi IV de Joinville, seneschal of Champagne, and Helvide de Dampierre. About 1204 he succeeded his brother Geoffroi V, who was killed in the Holy Land. Between June 1209 and March 1210 Simon fought in the Albigensian Crusade, and took part in the battles in the area around the castle of Montségur. Between 1205 and 1209 he married Ermengarde de Montcler, daughter of Jean de Walcourt dit de Montcler. They had a son Geoffroi who remained childless, and two daughters, Isabelle and Béatrix, who both married.
     “Ermengarde died in 1218, and about 1222 Simon married Beatrice d'Auxonne-Bourgogne, daughter of Etienne III de Bourgogne, comte d'Auxonne, and Beatrix, comtesse de Châlons. Beatrice descended on her father's side from a collateral line of the ancient house of Burgundy-Ivrea, and she could count the imperial house of the Hohenstaufen as her relatives. She was divorced from Aymon II, sire de Faucigny, with whom she had two daughters of whom Agnès married Peter II de Savoie, earl of Richmond. She and Simon had six children of whom Jean, Geoffrey and Simon continued the house of Joinville. Their son Guillaume became archdeacon of Salins, and their two daughters Marie and Heloise both married.
     “From 1216 Simon was involved in the war of succession over Champagne. He sided with the party of the pretender Philippe de Champagne (a daughter of Henri II, comte de Champagne, king of Jerusalem) and her husband Erard I, comte de Brienne, against the ruling count Thibaut IV-I (the future king of Navarre) and his mother Blanca de Navarre. Simon rebelled over the position of seneschal to the counts of Champagne, which he had first held in 1206. While this position was in his family de facto, Simon wanted it to be made over to his family by right, which was denied him by Blanca while she acted as regent of Champagne for her son. Like all the insurgents, Simon was excommunicated because of the rebellion by Pope Honorius III as well as the bishop of Châlons. After the mightiest supporter of the insurgents, Thibault I, duke of Lorraine, was defeated in 1218 by Emperor Friedrich II, Simon also had to submit, and his excommunication was lifted in 1218. Countess Blanca granted him hereditary status for the position of seneschal, in return for Simon's promise that he would remain loyal.
     “Also in July 1218 Simon left to take part in the Fifth Crusade, from which he returned in September 1220. As seneschal he settled a dispute in 1221 between Countess Blanca and the count of Rethel. In 1226 he joined Count Thibaut IV-I in the rebellion of the barons of France against the regency of Blanche of Castile following the death of her husband King Louis VIII, but in January 1227 he joined his count on her side. Thereupon the barons turned against Champagne, where Simon successfully defended Troyes in 1229 against the counts of Bar and Boulogne and then laid waste to the Barrois, for which he was excommunicated by the bishop of Toul, an ally of the count of Bar. The fighting ended in 1230 after the intervention of Queen Blanche.
     “In March 1233 Count Thibaut IV-I again confirmed Simon in the hereditary position of seneschal for which he had long fought, but he died in May of that year.
     “After Simon's death Beatrice held the position of seneschal on behalf of her under-age eldest son Jean. When he reached his majority, Beatrice took over the estate and castle of Vaucouleurs and administered it until the majority of her second son Geoffroi. She then withdrew to her inherited castle of Marnay which she left to her third son Simon.”.³ He was Seigneur de Vaucouleurs at France.¹² EDV-21.

; Per Med Lands:
     "SIMON de Joinville, son of GEOFFROY [IV] Seigneur de Joinville & his wife Helvide de Dampierre (-May 1233). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Gaufridus, Robertus, Symon et Guido milites et Guilelmus clericus" as five brothers "apud Ionevillam", recording that Simon obtained Joinville[361]. "Geofroi V Trouillard Sire de Joinville senechal de Champagne" donated property to the abbey of Boulancourt with the consent of his mother Helvide de Dampierre and his brothers Guillaume archdeacon of Chalons, Robert and Simon by charter dated 1191[362]. Seigneur de Joinville. “Symon Joniville dominus” donated rights “in passagio et in venta Joniville” to Joinville Saint-Laurent, for the anniversary of “fratris mei Gaufridi bone memorie” who died “apud Acram”, by charter dated 1204[363]. "Simon de Joinville" confirmed his father's previous donations to the monastery at Mathons by charter dated 1206[364]. “Simon miles...dominus de Joinville” donated “patronatum ecclesiæ de Faverchinis” to Floreffe, with the consent of “uxoris meæ Ermengardis filiæ domini Johannis de Monte Claro”, by charter dated 20 Jun 1210[365]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that Erard de Brienne captured the castle of Joinville from Simon in early 1216[366]. Seneschal of Champagne. “Symon dominus Joviville senescallus Campanie” renounced claims “super riveria de Blesa” in favour of Montiérender abbey by charter dated 1214[367]. “Symon dominus Joniville et senescallus Campanie” renounced rights in favour of Ecurey abbey by charter dated 1218[368]. Disputes between Simon de Joinville and the count of Champagne were settled by agreement dated 7 Jun 1218, under which Simon pledged to help Thibaut IV Comte de Champagne and his mother Ctss Blanche against Erard de Brienne, in return for recognition of his hereditary right to the sénéchaussée de Champagne[369]. “Symon dominus Jovisville seneschallus Campanie” swore homage to “comes Barri” for property “apud Buincuriam et Robancuriam et Bures et Baincuriam et Germaium et Juvigneis” by charter dated 21 Dec 1221[370]. “Symon dominus Joniville senescallus Campanie” acknowledged holding “castrum de Marnai” as a fief from Hugues Duke of Burgundy, with the consent of “Beatricis uxoris mee”, by charter dated late-Sep 1230[371]. “Symon dominus Joniville seneschallus Campanie” donated property to Joinville Saint-Laurent for his own anniversary by charter dated Feb 1232 (O.S.)[372]. The year of his death is set by the charter of his widow dated 1233 in which he is named as deceased (see below).
     "m firstly ([1205/before 1209]) ERMENGARDE de Montclair, daughter of JEAN de Walcourt dit de Montclair & his wife --- (-after 23 Jul 1218). “Simon miles...dominus de Joinville” donated “patronatum ecclesiæ de Faverchinis” to Floreffe, with the consent of “uxoris meæ Ermengardis filiæ domini Johannis de Monte Claro”, by charter dated 20 Jun 1210[373]. "Simon Sire de Joinville frère et successeur de Geoffroi V Trouillart" donated property to the abbey of Boulancourt with the consent of his wife Ermengarde dame de Monteclere by charter dated 1 Aug 1210[374]. She was heiress of the château de Montclair, which passed to her son. "Simon seigneur de Joinville, sénéchal de Champagne" donated property to Clairvaux, with the consent of "sa femme Ermengart, de son fils Geoffroy, de ses filles Isabelle et Béatrix", by charter dated 1216[375]. “Ermengardis domina Montisclari” constituted “medietati totius terræ mariti sui Simonis domini Joinvillæ, Campaniæ senescalli…in dotalitio", naming "Gaufridus filius suus primogenitus", by charter dated 6 Jul 1218[376]. "Simon seigneur de Montclair et Ermengart sa femme" relinquished rights to the abbey of Mettlach, by charter dated 23 Jul 1218[377]. "Simon dominus de Monteclaro" pledged rights to Kloster Mettlach, for the anniversary of "coniux mea Ermengardis bone memorie", by charter dated 23 Jul 1218 [presumably misdated considering the other charter of the same date quoted above][378].
     "m secondly (before 1224) as her second husband, BEATRIX d'Auxonne, divorced wife of AIMON [II] Seigneur de Faucigny, daughter of ETIENNE [III] Comte d'Auxonne [Bourgogne-Comté] & his wife Beatrix de Chalon (-11 Apr 1260, bur La Charité). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the testament of her daughter "Agnetis dominæ Fuciniaci", dated 9 Aug 1268, which made bequests to "dominæ Beatrici dominæ de Thoria et Villario sorori suæ et filiis suis…Simoni de Joinville dom. de Jaiz fratri suo"[379]. Her parentage is indicated by the charter dated Jul 1225 under which "Simon seigneur de Joinville, sénéchal de Champagne" reached an agreement with "Jean de Chalon son beau-frère", by charter dated Jul 1225[380]. It is confirmed by the charter dated 1227 under which "Simon de Joinville, comme mari de Béatrix, fille d'Etienne comte d'Auxonne et de Béatrix comtesse de Chalon" swore homage to the duke of Burgundy for the château de Marnay[381]. Dame de Marnay. "Simon seigneur de Joinville, sénéchal de Champagne" donated property to Molesme, with the consent of "sa femme Béatrix", by charter dated 1224[382]. “Beatrix de Joinville senechalesse de Champagne et...Hues chevaliers de Fronville” judged a dispute involving Evaux abbey which was to be settled by “nostre sire Simon de bonne mémoire ça en ariers sire de Joinville” by charter dated 1233[383]. "Beatrix dame de Joinville executrice testamentaire de Simon sire de Joinville son mari mort l'année précédente" donated property to the abbey of Boulancourt by charter dated Feb 1235[384]. “Jehans cuens de Bourgoingne et sires de Salins” confirmed the donation to the abbey of la Charité made by “Beatris ma suer dame de Marnay” and by “Simon son fil seignour de Jays” by charter dated Dec 1255[385]. The necrology of the abbey of La Charité records the death “XIII Kal Apr” 1260 of “Beatricis filiæ comitis Stephani in conventu dominæ de Mernay”[386]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Joinville): “Simon de Joinville ° ~1175 + 05/1233 seigneur de Sailly puis de comte de Joinville (52) et Bures, Sénéchal de Champagne (1224), X pour le duc de Lorraine (1214) (confirme précédente donations de son père au Monastère de Mathon 1206 ; son château de Joinville est saisi par Erard de Brienne début 1216 ; obtient le Sénéchalat héréditaire de Champagne contre son alliance avec le comte Thibaut IV et sa mère la comtesse Blanche contre les prétentions des Brienne par agrément 07/06/1218 ; donations avec sa 1ère femme Ermengarde et leurs enfants : 01/08/1210 à l’Abbaye de Boulancourt puis à Clairvaux 1216 ; restituent des droits à l’Abbaye de Mettlach 23/07/1218 ; concède au Prieuré de Vaucouleurs un terrain en 1223 pour la fondation d’une chapelle dédiée à Saint-Laurent ; donation avec sa 2nde femme Béatrix à Molesme 1224 pour une fondation de chapelle dédiée à Saint-Laurent ; agrément avec Jean de Chalon, son beau-frère 07/1225 ; hommage au duc de Bourgogne pour le château de Marnay 1227)
     ép.1) avant 1209 (~1205/06 ?) Ermengarde de Montclair (de Walcourt), dame Châtelaine de Montclair (Sarre, Mettlach) + après 23/07/1218 (fille d’Arnold, seigneur de Montclair-Walcourt dit «de Montclair», Avoué de l’Abbaye de Merzig (Sarre) (reçoit en 1218 de son mari un douaire de terres à Vaucouleurs et Montiers-sur-Saulx)
     ép.2) dès 1224 (ou 1215/19 ?) Béatrix d’Auxonne (de Bourgogne, de Marnay), dame de Marnay (70) + 11/04/1260 (fille d’Etienne III, comte d‘Auxonne (Bourgogne-Comté) et de Béatrix, comtesse de Chalon (1203) ; divorcée d’Aimon II, seigneur de Faucigny -74 > dont 2 filles Béatrix et Agnès, femme de Pierre IV de Savoie) (donation, comme exécutrice testamentaire de son mari, à l’Abbaye de Boulancourt 02/1235 ; fonde la chapelle castrale de Vaucouleurs 1234)”.¹³ He and Beatrix (?) d'Auxonne-Bourgogne were Per Genealogy.EU (Ivrea 2): “C5. Beatrix de Bourgogne, +1260; m.Simon de Joinville (+1233)”.¹⁴

; Per Med Lands:
     "ERMENGARDE de Montclair (-after 23 Jul 1218). “Simon miles...dominus de Joinville” donated “patronatum ecclesiæ de Faverchinis” to Floreffe, with the consent of “uxoris meæ Ermengardis filiæ domini Johannis de Monte Claro”, by charter dated 20 Jun 1210[1020]. "Simon Sire de Joinville frère et successeur de Geoffroi V Trouillart" donated property to the abbey of Boulancourt with the consent of his wife Ermengarde dame de Monteclere by charter dated 1 Aug 1210[1021]. She was heiress of the château de Montclair, which passed to her son. "Simon seigneur de Joinville, sénéchal de Champagne" donated property to Clairvaux, with the consent of "sa femme Ermengart, de son fils Geoffroy, de ses filles Isabelle et Béatrix", by charter dated 1216[1022]. “Ermengardis domina Montisclari” constituted “medietati totius terræ mariti sui Simonis domini Joinvillæ, Campaniæ senescalli…in dotalitio", naming "Gaufridus filius suus primogenitus", by charter dated 6 Jul 1218[1023]. "Simon seigneur de Montclair et Ermengart sa femme" relinquished rights to the abbey of Mettlach, by charter dated 23 Jul 1218[1024]. "Simon dominus de Monteclaro" pledged rights to Kloster Mettlach, for the anniversary of "coniux mea Ermengardis bone memorie", by charter dated 23 Jul 1218 [presumably misdated considering the other charter of the same date quoted above][1025].
     "m ([1205/before 1209]) as his first wife, SIMON Seigneur de Joinville, son of GEOFFROI [IV] Seigneur de Joinville & his wife Helvide de Dampierre (-May 1233)."
Med Lands cites: Simon de Joinville Senechal of Champagne was Crusader - Albigensian Crusade between June 1209 and March 1210.³

     Joan de Vivonia Lady of Chewton was born in 1251.^2,1 She married Ingram de Percy circa 10 May 1262.²
Joan de Vivonia Lady of Chewton married Aymeric X (?) vicomte de Rochechouart, son of Aymeric IX (?) vicomte de Rochechouart and Jeanne d'Angles Dame de Tonnay-Charente, before 13 May 1264
; her 1st husband.³ Joan de Vivonia Lady of Chewton married Sir Reginald (Reynold) Fitz Piers Lord of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock, son of Peter (Piers) Fitz Herbert Lord of Blaen Llyfni and Alice de Warkworth, circa 1274.^4,5,6

Joan de Vivonia Lady of Chewton died on 1 June 1314.^2,1
     Joan de Vivonia Lady of Chewton lived at Chewton, co. Somerset, England.⁷

Reference: Weis AR7 122-32; van de Pas cites: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter, Reference: 238.^4,1 Joan de Vivonia Lady of Chewton was also known as Joan de Vivonne.¹

     Sir Otes de Holand Kg died; dsp.¹

     Katherine Giffard married Sir Nicholas de Audley Knt., Lord Audley, son of Sir James de Audley Baron Audley of Heleigh, co. Stafford and Ela de Longespee of Stratton Audley, co. Oxford.^4,1,2,5,3
Katherine Giffard was born in 1272; Richards says "aged 27 in 1299."^4,2,3
      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: I 338/9.³ GKJ-23. Katherine Giffard was also known as Catherine Giffard.³ She was living in 1322 at Ledbury Priory, Herefordshire, England; nun at Ledbury Priory.^4,2,3

     Richard de Camville of Middleton, co. Oxford married Eustacia Basset of Bicester, co. Oxford, daughter of Gilbert Basset of Bicester, co. Oxford and Egeline de Courtenay, circa 1199
; Ravilious cites:
12. "Gerard de Camville [article]," Dictionary of National Biography,
Oxford Univ. Press, p. 856: Gerard de Camville.
15. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Clemence Dauntsey," Nov 16, 2001,
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, information also posted by Todd
A. Farmerie.^4,1,3
Richard de Camville of Middleton, co. Oxford died before 1230; dvm.³
     GAV-22 EDV-22.

; per Ravilious: [quote] Richard de Camville[5]

Death: bef 1230, d.v.m.[3]

of Avington, co. Berks., Godington, Stoney Middleton, and Stratton, co. Oxon.
lord of Camville

his father purchased the marriage of Eustache Basset, widow of Thomas de Verdun in 1199 (Paul Reed, FASG citing the Pipe Rolls)[15],[12]

record from the plea rolls, 1207/8:
' Curia Regis Roll. Mich. 9. John, m. 4.

Oxon. - The Prior of Kenilworth sued Nicholas de Verdun (called to warranty by Richard de Canvill and Eustachia, his wife) for the next presentation to the church of Hethe.

Lecelina de Clinton.
I
Bertram de Verdun.
_______I___________________________________________________
I I
Thomas de Verdun, = Eustachia. = Richard de Nicholas de Verdun,
first husband, Canvill, the defendant.
ob. s.p. second husband.
' [Gen XX:165[16]]


Spouse: Eustache Basset[2]
Father: Gilbert Basset (-<1205)
Mother: Egeline de Courtenay
Marr: ca 1199[15],[12]

Children: Idoine (-<1252) [end quote].³

; Weis [AR7] 122-29.⁴

     Eustacia Basset of Bicester, co. Oxford married Thomas de Verdun, son of Bertram de Verdun,
; her 1st husband.³ Eustacia Basset of Bicester, co. Oxford married Richard de Camville of Middleton, co. Oxford, son of Gerald de Camville Lord of Camville and Nichola/Nicola de la Haye, circa 1199
; Ravilious cites:
12. "Gerard de Camville [article]," Dictionary of National Biography,
Oxford Univ. Press, p. 856: Gerard de Camville.
15. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Clemence Dauntsey," Nov 16, 2001,
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, information also posted by Todd
A. Farmerie.^4,1,3
     GAV-22 EDV-22.

; Weis [AR7] 122-29.⁴

     Gilbert Basset of Bicester, co. Oxford married Egeline de Courtenay, daughter of Renaud de Courtenay Lord of Courtenay and Hawise d'Aincourt.⁴

     GAV-23 EDV-23 GKJ-23. Gilbert Basset of Bicester, co. Oxford was Sheriff of Oxfordshire.¹

.⁵

     Maud Grey was born circa 1346 at Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, England.² She married Sir John Botetourte of Little Linford, Buckinghamshire, son of John Botetourte 2nd Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle and Joyce La Zouche de Mortimer, on 28 November 1358
; her 1st husband; Richardson says m. "shortly after 28 Nov. 1358."^7,8,5,2,1 Maud Grey married Sir Thomas de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt, son of Sir William de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton-Harcourt, co. Oxfo and Joan de Grey, between 1370 and 1374
; her 2nd husband; Genealogy.EU (Harcourt 7 page) says m. 1370; Leo van de Pas says m. 1370; Weis (AR7) says m. ca 1374.^{9,8,10,11,2,1,3}
Maud Grey died on 29 January 1394.¹
Maud Grey was buried after 29 January 1394 at in an altar tomb, Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to Amercia bef.1700 7th Edition, Frederick Lewis Weis, Reference: 33.^2,4 Maud Grey was also known as Maud/Alice/Eleanor de Grey.^8,5,2,1

     John le Strange 2nd Baron Strange of Blackmere was born circa 1306.^3,2 He married Ankaret Boteler, daughter of William le Botiller 1st Lord Botiller of Wem and Oversley, co. Warwick and Ela de Herdeburgh, circa 1328
; her 1st husband.^4,3,5,2
John le Strange 2nd Baron Strange of Blackmere died on 21 July 1349.^4,2
     He was 2nd LORD (Baron) STRANGE (of Blackmere.³

; JOHN LESTRANGE, 2nd LORD (Baron) STRANGE (of Blackmere), JP (Salop 1332); b c 1305; fought at Crécy 1346; m as her 1st husb Ankaret (m 2nd Sir Thomas de Ferrers and d 8 Oct 1361), dau of William Boteler, of Wem, Salop, and d 21 July 1349.³

; van de pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XII/1 343.²

John le Strange 2nd Baron Strange of Blackmere lived at Whitchurch, Shropshire, England.⁶

; Weis [AR7] 8-32.⁷

     Sir John Talbot Knt., KG, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, 1st Earl of Waterford was born circa 1384.^5,2 He married Maude de Neville Baroness Furnivall, daughter of Thomas de Neville 5th Lord Furnivall and Joan de Furnivalle Baroness Furnivall, before 12 March 1406/7.^5,2,6,4
Sir John Talbot Knt., KG, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, 1st Earl of Waterford married Lady Margaret Beauchamp Baroness Berkeley, Baroness Lisle, daughter of Sir Richard de Beauchamp KB, KG, 13th Earl of Warwick and Elizabeth de Berkeley Baroness Berkeley, Lisle and Teyes, on 6 September 1425 at Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England.^7,1,2,8,9

Sir John Talbot Knt., KG, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, 1st Earl of Waterford died on 17 July 1453 at Battle of Châtillon, Castillon on the Dordogne, France; killed in the Battle of Castillon against the French (the last battle of the Hundred Years War.)^5,7,10,2,4
Sir John Talbot Knt., KG, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, 1st Earl of Waterford was buried after 17 July 1453 at St. Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England.^7,4
     He was 7th Lord Talbot.⁷ He was 6th Lord Furnival (jure uxoris), called to Parl as LORD (Baron) De FURNYVALL or De HALOMSHIRE [sic] in right of his w 26 Oct 1409.^7,6 He was Lord Strange of Blackmere.⁷

; Sir JOHN TALBOT, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury (technically the Earldom was designated as being of 'Salop' or 'Shropshire' but ever afterwards, indeed in the grantee's own lifetime, its bearers have been known as Earls of 'Shrewsbury') (E) and 1st Earl of Waterford (I), so cr 20 May 1442 and 17 July 1446 (when also made Hereditary Steward of Ireland) respectively, though called to Parl 26 Oct 1409 by writs made out to LORD (Baron) De FURNYVALL/De HALOMSHIRE (see PETRE, B) in right of his 1st w (see below) during her lifetime and as LORD (Baron) TALBOT (of Hallamshire) afterwards, also according to later doctrine 7th LORD (Baron) TALBOT and 7th or 10th LORD (Baron) STRANGE (of Blackmere) on his niece ANKARET's death 1421, KG (1424), JP (Derbys Feb 1407/8, Salop and Staffs March 1409/10); b c 1384; King's Esq 1407, ktd by 1413, King's Lt Ireland Feb 1413/4 and March 1444/5, Justiciar Ireland Jan-April 1425, campaigned Hundred Years War: Battle of Verneuil 1424, took Laval March 1427/8, also Nogent-le Roi and was at Siege of Orleans 1428-29, cdr Battle of Patay June 1429 (captured but subsequently ransomed), took Patay 1433, Joigny 1434, Beaumont-sur-Oise May 1434, Creil June 1434 and Clermont, cr by HENRY VI COUNT OF CLERMONT en Beauvoisis (part of a policy pursued by HENRYs V and VI of making their chief commanders nobles in English-occupied France with French fiefs), present Siege of Saint-Denis Sept 1435, retook Pays de Caux 1436, won Battle of Ris (nr Rouen) late 1436, took Ivry and Pontoise Jan-Feb 1436/7, held Le Croty 1437, Marshal of France by 6 April 1437, took Longueville 1438, reinforced Meaux 1439 and Pontoise several times, destroyed Poissy 1441, conducted Siege of Dieppe 1442, Keeper Porchester Castle and Govr Portsmouth Feb 1451/2, Lt of Aquitaine 1452, retook Bordeaux Oct 1452, took Fronsac March 1452/3, finally killed with his 4th s (3rd here noticed; see below) at the rout of Castillon (the last battle of the Hundred Years War) 17 July 1453; m 1st by 12 March 1406/7 Maud, BARONESS FURNIVALL(E) in her own right according to later doctrine (d c 1423), dau and heiress of Thomas Nevill(e), 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e) (see above, also ABERGAVENNY, M) in right of his 1st wife. The 1st Earl m 2nd 6 Sept 1425 Lady Margaret Beauchamp (d 14 June 1467), est dau and coheir of Richard, Earl of Warwick (see WARWICK, BROOKE and, E) by his 1st w Elizabeth (only child of 5th Lord (Baron) Berkeley (qv) of the 1295 cr, and deemed by later doctrine to have been Baroness Berkeley and Baroness Lisle in her own right, though on her death they would have fallen into abeyance between her three daus and coheirs even by the same later doctrine).² GKJ-17.

; Faris (1999, p. 350): [quote] JOHN TALBOT, Knt., K.G., Lord Furnival jure uxoris, Lord Strange of Blackmere, 7th Lord Talbot, second son, was born in 1384. He was married for the first time before 12 Mar. 1406/7 to MAUD NEVILLE, Lady Furnivall de jure, daughter of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnivall (of Magna Carta Surety descent and descendant of Charlemagne), by Joan, daughter of William, Lord Furnivall (of Magna Carta Surety descent and descendant of Charlemagne). She was born in 1392, and with her he acquired the great family estates of the family of Furnivall in Hallamshire, of which the castle of Sheffield was the caput. They had three sons. In consequence of his marriage he was summoned to Parliament from 26 Oct. 1409 by writs directed Johanni Talbot de Furnyvall'. She died in 1423, and was buried at Worksop Priory, co. Nottingham. On the death of his niece Ankaret in 1421, he succeeded to the Baronies of Strange (of Blackmere) and of Talbot. He was married for the second time on 6 Sep. 1425 at Warwick Castle, to MARGARET BEAUCHAMP, eldest daughter of Richard Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, by his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Berkeley, Lord Berkeley. She was born in 1404, and was co-heiress to her mother. They had four sons and two daughters. He fought in the war in France
from 1424. For his services he was created Earl of Shrewsbury on 20 May 1442. He was appointed King's Lieutenant of Ireland (being lord of the honour of Wexford), and was created Earl of Waterford on 17 July 1446. JOHN TALBOT, Earl of Shrewsbury, was slain, aged seventy, together with his son John, Lord Lisle (son of that name by the second marriage), in an attack on the French at Castillon on the Dordogne on 17 July 1453, and was buried, with monumental inscription, at St. Alkmund's, Whitchurch, co. Salop. His widow died on 14 June 1467, and was buried in the Jesus Chapel of St. Paul's.
Collins-Brydges (1812) 3:11-17. Clay (1913), p. 217. Bulkeley (1933), pp. 72-73. C.P. 11:698-704, 704 footnote c (1949). C.P. 12(1):620 (1953). Paget (1977), p. 405. [end quote] He was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.⁵ He was 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford qv in 1442.^5,10

     Maude de Neville Baroness Furnivall was born in 1392; Utz #2 29 May 2005 says b. ca 1392.^5,1,4 She married Sir John Talbot Knt., KG, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, 1st Earl of Waterford, son of Sir Richard Talbot 4th Lord Talbot de Blackmere and Ankaret le Strange Baroness Strange of Blackmere, before 12 March 1406/7.^5,3,1,4

Maude de Neville Baroness Furnivall died in 1423; Utz #2 29 May 2005 says d. ca 1423.^5,3,1,4
Maude de Neville Baroness Furnivall was buried in 1423 at Worksop Priory, Nottinghamshire, England.^6,4
      ; per Burke's Peerage: "MAUD de Nevill(e), BARONESS FURNIVALL(E) in her own right according to later doctrine; b c 1392; m by 12 March 1406/7, as his 1st w, 1st Earl of Shropshire or Shrewsbury (see SHREWSBURY and WATERFORD, E), who, however, before his cr as Earl in 1442 was called to Parl 26 Oct 1409 as LORD De FURNYVALL or De HALOMSHIRE [sic] in right of his w, and d c 1423, having had issue (see PETRE, B.)⁷"

; MAUD de Nevill(e), de jure BARONESS FURNIVALL(E) in her own right according to later doctrine; b c 1392; m by 12 March 1406/7, as his 1st w, Sir John TALBOT, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford (qv), who was called to Parl as LORD (Baron) De FURNYVALL or De HALOMSHIRE [sic] in right of his w 26 Oct 1409, and d c 1423.¹ She was de jure BARONESS FURNIVALL(E) in her own right according to later doctrine.¹ GKJ-17.

     Thomas de Neville 5th Lord Furnivall was born circa 1362.⁵ He married Joan de Furnivalle Baroness Furnivall, daughter of William de Furnivalle 4th Lord Furnivall and Thomasine (?), on 1 July 1379.^6,1,2,5,4
Thomas de Neville 5th Lord Furnivall married Ankaret le Strange Baroness Strange of Blackmere, daughter of John le Strange 4th Baron Strange of Blackmere and Lady Mary (Isabel) Fitz Alan de Arundel, before 4 July 1401.^7,1,8,9

Thomas de Neville 5th Lord Furnivall died on 14 March 1406; dspm; Utz #2 29 May 2005 says d. 14 Mar 1406/07.^1,5
Thomas de Neville 5th Lord Furnivall was buried at Worksop Priory, Nottinghamshire, England.⁵
Thomas de Neville 5th Lord Furnivall died on 12 March 1406/7.¹⁰
     He was 5th LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL(E) in right of his wife, though called to Parl by writ 20 Aug 1383 as NEVILL OF HALUMSHIRE [sic].² GKJ-17.

; per Burke's Peerage: "THOMAS de NEVILL(E), regarded as (5th) LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL(E) in right of his w, though called to Parl by writ 20 Aug 1383 as NEVILL OF HALUMSHIRE [sic]; agreed in Parl to clandestine incarceration of RICHARD II 23 Oct 1399, Keeper Annandale and Constable Lochmaben Castle in W Scottish Marches 23 Oct 1399, Keeper Alnwick, Berwick and Warkworth Castles 1403, memb gt cncl of HENRY IV 1404, Jt War Treasurer 1404-06, Treasurer of England July-Nov 1406; m 1st by 1 July 1379 Joan de Furnevalle, BARONESS FURNIVALL(E) in her own right according to later doctrine (b c 1369), dau and heir of 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivalle (see PETRE, B) of the 1295 cr, and had issue ... The (6th) LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL(E)/NEVILL OF HALUMSHIRE m 2nd by 4 July 1401 Ankaret, dau and eventual heir of 1st Lord (Baron) Strange or Lestrange of the 1360 cr (see ST DAVIDS, V) and widow of Lord (Baron) Talbot (of Blackmere) (see SHREWSBURY and WATERFORD, E), and dspm 14 March 1406/7."^6,1

     Joan de Furnivalle Baroness Furnivall was born circa October 1368.^4,3 She married Thomas de Neville 5th Lord Furnivall, son of Sir John de Neville K.G., 3rd Lord Neville of Raby and Maud de Percy, on 1 July 1379.^5,1,4,3,6

Joan de Furnivalle Baroness Furnivall died before 1401.³
Joan de Furnivalle Baroness Furnivall was buried at Worksop Priory, Nottinghamshire, England.³
     She was de jure BARONESS FURNIVALL(E) in her own right according to later doctrine.⁴

; JOAN de Furnivall(e), de jure BARONESS FURNIVALL(E) in her own right according to later doctrine; b c 1368; m by 1 July 1379, as his 1st w, Thomas de NEVILL(E) (see ABERGAVENNY, M), regarded as 5th LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL(E) in right of his w, though called to Parl by writ 20 Aug 1383 as NEVILL OF HALUMSHIRE [sic].⁴

.⁵ GKJ-18.

     William de Furnivalle 4th Lord Furnivall was born on 25 August 1326 at Alton, Staffordshire, England.^2,4 He married Thomasine (?) between 3 February 1365 and 20 January 1366
; her 2nd husband.^2,4
William de Furnivalle 4th Lord Furnivall died on 12 April 1383 at age 56; dspm.²
William de Furnivalle 4th Lord Furnivall was buried after 12 April 1383 at Worksop Priory, Nottinghamshire, England.⁴
      ; WILLIAM de FURNIVALL(E), 4th LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL(E); b 25 Aug 1326; held the Manor of Farnham Royal, Bucks, by service of providing a glove for the King's right hand on his coronation day and supporting the King's right arm while he held the sceptre; these services were rendered by (a) 4th LORD at RICHARD II's coronation, (b) Thomas Nevill, in right of his w, at HENRY IV's coronation, (c) the 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford, again in right of his w, at HENRY V's coronation, (d) the 5th Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford and de jure 10th LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL at EDWARD VI's coronation, (e) the 7th Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford and de jure 12th LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL at JAMES I's coronation and (f) the 6th Duke of Norfolk and de jure 15th LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL at CHARLES II's coronation, on the the last two occasions by virtue of tenure of the Manor of Worksop, which the 7th Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford and de jure 12th LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL had exchanged for Farnham Royal; m between 3 Feb 1364/5 and 20 Jan 1365/6 Thomasine, widow of Sir John de Dagworth, of Dagworth, Suffolk, and Bradwell, Essex, and dspm 12 April 1383, leaving an only daughter.² GKJ-19.

.⁵ He was 4th LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL(E.)²

     Sir John Talbot KG, KB, PC, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford, Baron Furnivall was born circa 1413.^5,6 He and Katherine Burnell were engaged in 1416; Richardson says "She was affianced as a child in 1416 to John Talbot, afterwards 2nd earl of Shrewsbury...but did not marry him."⁷ Sir John Talbot KG, KB, PC, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford, Baron Furnivall married Lady Elizabeth Butler, daughter of James Butler 4th Earl of Ormond and Joan de Beauchamp, before March 1445
; Utz #2 29 May 2005 says m. bef March 1443/44.^5,2,4,8,9
Sir John Talbot KG, KB, PC, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford, Baron Furnivall died on 10 July 1460 at Battle of Northampton, Northamptonshire, England.^5,6,2
Sir John Talbot KG, KB, PC, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford, Baron Furnivall was buried after 10 July 1460 at Worksop Priory, Nottinghamshire, England.^6,4
      ; JOHN TALBOT, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford, KG (1457), KB (1426), PC (1453), JP (Derbys 1441, W R Yorks March 1441/2, Herts and Notts 1443); b c 1413; Ld Chllr Ireland 1446, Treasurer England 1456-58; m by March 1444/5 Lady Elizabeth Butler (d 8 Sept 1473), only dau of 4th Earl of Ormonde (see 1970 edn ORMONDE, M), and was ka with his bro Sir Christopher at Battle of Northampton 10 July 1460.² He was 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford.^10,2

; Sir JOHN TALBOT, 1st VISCOUNT LISLE, also 1st LORD AND BARON OF LISLE, so cr 30 Oct 1451 and 26 July 1444 respectively; b c 1426; m Joan, dau and coheir of Thomas Chedder and widow of Richard Stafford, and was ka Battle of Castillon 17 July 1453, leaving.¹¹ GKJ-16.

; Faris (1999, p. 350): [quote] JOHN TALBOT, Knt., K.G., 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, Lord Treasurer of England, son and heir by first marriage, was born about 1413 (aged forty and more at death of father). He was married before March 1444 to ELIZABETH BUTLER, daughter of James Butler, 4th Earl of Ormond (descendant of King Edward I), by Joan (descendant of King Edward I), daughter of William Beauchamp, Lord Abergavenny. She was born in 1420 [see BUTLER 7 for her ancestry]. They had five sons and two daughters. JOHN TALBOT, Earl of Shrewsbury, was slain, with his brother Sir Christopher Talbot at the battle of Northampton on 10 July 1460, fighting on the Lancastrian side, and was buried, with monumental inscription, at Worksop Priory, co. Nottingham. His widow died on 8 Sep. 1473, and was buried at Shrewsbury Abbey (M.I.)
Collins-Brydges (1812) 3:17-19. Clay (1913), p. 217. Bulkeley (1933), p. 73. C.P. 11:704-705, 704 footnote e (1949) (corrects 2:435 footnote J). Paget (1977), p. 249.
Children & grandchild of John Talbot, by Elizabeth Butler:
i.     GILBERT TALBOT [see next].
ii.     ANNE TALBOT, died 17 May 1494, married 1467 HENRY VERNON, Knt., of Haddon, born 1445, Sheriff, Governor of Arthur, Prince of Wales, built Haddon Hall, died testate 13 Apr. 1515 (P.C.C. 9 Holder), son of William Vernon, Knt., of Haddon, co. Derby (of Magna Carta Surety descent and descendant of Charlemagne), by Margaret, daughter of William Swinfen, of Lichfield, co. Stafford.
Collins-Brydges (1812) 3:19. H.S.P. 13:207 (1878) (1612 Vis. Essex). Clay (1913), p. 217. Paget (1977), p. 264 (he born 1441, died 2 Apr. 1515).
a.     ELIZABETH VERNON, married ROBERT CORBET [see FERRERS 5]. [end quote] He was 7th LORD (Baron) FURNIVALL(E.)¹² He was Lord Treasurer of England between 1456 and 1458.^5,2

     Lady Elizabeth Butler was born in 1420.⁷ She was born on 21 December 1421; The authoritative Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 704-705 (sub Shrewsbury) has a good account of the life history of John Talbot, K.G., 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury. Regarding his marriage, the following information is provided:

"He married, before March 1444/5, Elizabeth, daughter of James (Butler), 4th Earl of Ormond [Ireland], by his 1st wife, Joan, daughter of William (Beauchamp), Lord Abergavenny ... She died 8 and was buried 11 Sept. 1473, in Shrewsbury Abbey." END OF QUOTE.

No information is provided regarding Elizabeth Butler's birthdate. However, the Redaction of Somer's Chronicle records her birth as follows:

"1421. Et Elizabeth comitissa salissopie in festo Sancti thome apostoli." [Reference: Camden Miscellany 34 (Camden Soc. 5th Ser. 10) (1997): 279].

The above record shows that Elizabeth Butler was born 21 Deecember 1421.

For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World colonists who descend from Elizabeth (Butler) Talbot, Countess of Shrewsbury:

1. Robert Abell.
2. Grace Chetwode.
3. Anne Mauleverer.
4. Thomas Rudyard.

For further details regarding the descents to the individual colonists, see Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry (2004) or Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (2005).

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net.⁸

She married Sir John Talbot KG, KB, PC, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford, Baron Furnivall, son of Sir John Talbot Knt., KG, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, 1st Earl of Waterford and Maude de Neville Baroness Furnivall, before March 1445
; Utz #2 29 May 2005 says m. bef March 1443/44.^7,1,9,8,3
Lady Elizabeth Butler died on 8 September 1473 at Shrewsbury Abbey, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England.^7,10,1
Lady Elizabeth Butler was buried on 11 September 1473 at Shrewsbury Abbey, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England.⁹
     GKJ-16.

     James Butler 4th Earl of Ormond was born between April 1391 and May 1391; Weis and van de Pas say b. 1392.^6,7,8,1,2 He married Joan de Beauchamp, daughter of Sir William de Beauchamp KG, 1st Lord Abergavenny and Lady Joan Fitz Alan, circa 28 August 1413
; his 1st wife.^6,7,1,2,9 James Butler 4th Earl of Ormond married Elizabeth Fitz Gerald, daughter of Gerald Fitz Maurice 5th Earl of Kildare and Agnes Darcy, circa 18 July 1432
; his 2nd wife.^7,1
James Butler 4th Earl of Ormond died on 23 August 1452 at Ardee, co. Louth, Ireland; died testate.^6,10,1,2
James Butler 4th Earl of Ormond was buried after 23 August 1452 at St. Mary's Abbey, Dublin, co. Cork, Ireland.¹
     He was 4th Earl of Ormond.^11,1

; per van de Pas: [quote]As James was a minor when his father died, the custody of his lands and his marriage were, on 2 October 1405, granted to the King's son Prince Thomas, Duke of Clarence. On 18 December 1407, when he was about fifteen, the young Earl was appointed Deputy of Stephen le Scrope, Deputy to the Duke of Clarence, and was holding the office in April 1408.

As early as 1412 he had a grant in recognition of his great services in the wars in Ireland. In the same year he went overseas, seemingly in the train of the Duke of Clarence, and took part in the successful siege of Rouen which was captured in January 1419. On or before 28 August 1413 he married Joan Beauchamp, daughter of Lord Abergavenny.

On 10 February 1420 he was appointed Lieutenant in Ireland for two years, and he was still acting as such in June and July 1424. Meanwhile in 1423 Lord Talbot had unsuccessfully accused him before the English Council and later before the Duke of Bedford of treason in Ireland. On 1 March 1425 he was appointed Lieutenant for one year. In April 1430 a ship was provided to take him from Bristol to France, where he was in the King's retinue in Calais, when King Henry VI was on his way to Reims for his Coronation, which had to be transferred to Paris. In August 1430 James's wife died and was buried in London.

For his marriage to Lady Joan FitzGerald, widow of Lord Grey, he received Papal dispensation on 29 April 1432, though they were doubly related, and, on 18 July 1432, received Royal licence. In March 1441 he was Deputy to Lord Welles during his absence in England, and was so acting in August 1441. On 27 February 1442 he was appointed Lieutenant for seven years.

In July 1450 he undertook, by indenture, to serve Richard, Duke of York, father of the future King Edward IV, in war as in peace, as well in England as in Ireland, for the term of his life. The last months of his life were spent in military operations in Ireland. He died on 23 August 1452 at Ardee and was buried in St. Mary's Abbey, near Dublin.[end quote]²

; The authoritative Complete Peerage, 10 (1945): 123-126 (sub Ormond) has a good account of the life history of James le Boteler, 4th Earl of Ormond (died 1452). Regarding his birthdate, the following information is given on page 123:

"[He] was probably born in 1392." [footnote d]

Footnote d: "He is said variously to have been aged 12 and 15 in the inquisition taken immediately after his father's death in England [in 1405]; he was presumably born in 1390, having an order for livery of his inheritance in Ireland 8 August 1411, on proof of age, his homage being respited there. because he was then in England, suing out his livery, which he obtained 23 May 1412 (O.D., vol. ii, no. 413; Cal. Close Rolls, 1409-1413, pg. 286.)" END OF QUOTE

So, we have conflicting two statements of James le Boteler's birth, one being "probably in 1392," and one being "presumably born in 1390," with the added information that James was stated to be aged 12 or 15 in 1405 (or born c. 1390 or 1393). So, what is the correct date?

The Redaction of Somer's Chronicle provides the following information regarding his birthdate and birthplace:

"1393. Nativitas Jacobi comitis Ormond 28 maii aput fruglasse." [Reference: Camden Miscellany 34 (Camden Soc. 5th Ser. 10) (1997): 277].

The above chronicle indicates that James [le Boterler], 4th Earl of Ormond, was born at "Fruglasse" 28 May 1393. I'm unable to locate the locality, Fruglasse.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net.¹⁰

GKJ-17. He was Lieutenant of Ireland.^7,1

; Faris (1999, p. 60): [end quote] JAMES BUTLER (or LE BOTILLER), 4th Earl of Ormond, Lieutenant of Ireland, was born probably in 1390. He was married for the first time on or before 28 Aug. 1413 to JOAN BEAUCHAMP, daughter of William de Beauchamp, Lord Bergavenny, by Joan (descendant of King Edward I), daughter of Richard Fitz Alan, 4th Earl of Arundel (descendant of King Henry III). She died on 3 or 5 Aug. 1430, and was buried in the chapel of St. Thomas Acon, London [see BERGAVENNY 8 for her ancestry]. He was married for the second time, with papal dispensation dated 29 Apr. 1432, though the parties were doubly related, to ELIZABETH FITZ GERALD, widow of John Grey, Knt., Lord Grey of Codnor, and daughter of Gerald FitzGerald, 5th Earl of Kildare, by his second wife Agnes Darcy. She was born about 1398 and died on 6 Aug. 1452 s.p. JAMES BUTLER, Earl of Ormond, died at Ardee on 23 Aug. 1452, and was buried in St. Mary's Abbey, near Dublin.
C.P. 10:123-130 (1945) (called The White Earl). C.P. 11:705 (1949).
Children of James Butler, by Joan Beauchamp:
i.     THOMAS BUTLER [see next].
ii.     ELIZABETH BUTLER, married JOHN TALBOT [see TALBOT 61.1 [end quote].

; van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: Page 1909
2. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 428
3. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: X 123.² James Butler 4th Earl of Ormond was also known as James le Boteler 4th Earl of Ormond.¹⁰

     Joan de Beauchamp married James Butler 4th Earl of Ormond, son of James Butler 3rd Earl of Ormond and Anne de Welles, circa 28 August 1413
; his 1st wife.^5,6,2,7,3
Joan de Beauchamp died between 3 August 1430 and 4 August 1430.^5,6,2,3
      ; van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: Page 1909
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: X 125.³

     James Butler 3rd Earl of Ormond was born after 1361; Richardson says "aged 22 in 1382."^7,1,2 He married Anne de Welles, daughter of Sir John de Welle 4th Lord Welles and Margaret (Maud) de Ros, before 17 June 1386.^7,1,2,8

James Butler 3rd Earl of Ormond died on 7 September 1405 at Gowran, Ireland.^7,9,3,1,2
     GKJ-18. He was 3rd Earl of Ormond.¹⁰

; van de Pas cites: 1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: X 121
2. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: Page 1909
3. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 428
4. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter, Reference: 10.¹

; per van de pas: [quote]On 2 March 1383 James was granted custody of his lands, and on 16 November 1383 had licence to come from Ireland, where he was staying 'for the safeguard' of the country, to do homage and sue his inheritance out of the King's hand. On 10 March 1385 he had order for livery, and respite of fealty till 1386, in consideration of his father's good service.

He was in England to do homage on 28 October 1385, and returned in June 1386 to Ireland where he mostly resided. Before 17 June 1386 he married Anne Welles. Like his father, he was several times Chief Governor of Ireland. In February 1389 he was granted the custody of Counties Kilkenny and Tipperary. His transactions for the purchase of Kilkenny Castle from Sir Hugh le Despencer took from 1391 till 1393. In 1396 was the last mention of his wife being alive. In May 1400 King Henry IV appointed him chief commissioner to inquire into certain seditions, also sheriff of Cork, and, in May 1403, chief commissioner to adjourn and continue the Parliament. In September 1405 he died at Gowran where he was buried.[end quote]¹

; Faris (1999, pp. 59-60): [quote] JAMES BUTLER (or LE BOTILLER), 3rd Earl of Ormond, son and heir, was born after 1360. He was in England to do homage on 28 Oct. 1385, and was returning in June 1386 to Ireland, where he mostly resided. Like his father, he was several times Chief Governor of Ireland. He was married before 17 June 1386 to ANNE WELLES, daughter of John de Welles, Knt., 3rd Lord Welles (descendant of Charlemagne), by Maud, daughter of William de Roos, Lord Roos of Helmsley, co. York (of Magna Carta Surety descent and descendant of Charlemagne). She was living in 1396. JAMES BUTLER, Earl of Ormond, died at Gowran on 6 or 7 Sep. 1405, and was buried there.
C.P. 10:121-123 (1945). [end quote]

     Anne de Welles married James Butler 3rd Earl of Ormond, son of James Butler 2nd Earl of Ormond and Elizabeth (Anne) Darcy, before 17 June 1386.^3,4,1,2

Anne de Welles died after 1396.^5,1,2
     GKJ-18.

; van de Pas cites: 1. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 428
2. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: Page 1909
3. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: X 122.^3,2 Anne de Welles was also known as Anne Welles.²

     Sir John de Welle 4th Lord Welles was born on 23 August 1334 at Bonthorpe, Lincolnshire, England.⁴ He married Margaret (Maud) de Ros, daughter of William de Ros 2nd Lord de Ros of Helmsley and Margery de Badlesmere, circa 1344.⁵

Sir John de Welle 4th Lord Welles died on 11 October 1361 at age 27.⁴
     He was 4th Lord (Baron) Welle of the 1299 cr.^1,6,2 EDV-18 GKJ-19.

.^7,8