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     Maria (?) married Konstantinos V (?) Emperor of Byzantium, son of Leo III (?) Emperor of Byzantium and Maria (?),
; his 2nd wife.¹
Maria (?) died in 751.¹

     Leo III (?) Emperor of Byzantium married Maria (?)¹
Leo III (?) Emperor of Byzantium was born in 675.¹
Leo III (?) Emperor of Byzantium died in 741.¹
      ; Emperor of Byzantium.¹

     Maria (?) married Leo III (?) Emperor of Byzantium.¹

     Anna (?) married Artavsdios (?) Emperor of Byzantium.¹

     Artavsdios (?) Emperor of Byzantium married Anna (?), daughter of Leo III (?) Emperor of Byzantium and Maria (?).¹

Artavsdios (?) Emperor of Byzantium died circa 743.¹
      ; Emperor of Byzantium.¹

     Chrodobertus II (Robert) (?) Count Palatine married Doda/Detta (?)^1,5,4,6
Chrodobertus II (Robert) (?) Count Palatine was born before 653; mentioned.²
Chrodobertus II (Robert) (?) Count Palatine died after 678; Genealogy.EU (Capet 1) says d. aft 678; Med Lands says d. bef 12 Sep 677.^1,6
     GAV-35 EDV-36 GKJ-37.

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (cAPET 1): “Chrodobertus=Robert II, Chancelor for King Clothar III, was made a count 678; m.Doda N”.¹

; Per Genealogy.EU (Capet 1): “C1. Chrodobertus=Robert II, Chancelor for King Clothar III, was made a count 678; m.Doda N”.⁷

; Per Med Lands:
     "CHRODBERT [Robert] [II] (-before 12 Sep 677). According to Europäische Stammtafeln[519], Chrodbert [II] was the son of "Lambert [I] nobilis in Neustria †after 650", who in turn was the son of Chrodbert [I] (see above). No reference has been found to "Lambert [I]" in any of the primary sources so far consulted and it has been decided to omit him until a positive identification can be made. "Chlodovius rex Francorum" confirmed the privileges of the abbey of St Denis by charter dated 22 Jun 653, subscribed by "…Chradoberctus…"[520]. Chancellor for King Clothar III 658. "Childericus rex Francorum, Chadicho duce, Rodeberto comite" donated property to the monastery of St Gregory in Alsace by charter dated 4 Mar 673, the editor of the compilation identifying "Rodeberto comite" as "comes Alsatiæ superioris sive Sundgaviæ"[521]. Comes palatinus 2 Oct 678.
     "m DODA, daughter of --- (-before 12 Sep 677). The Vita Leudegarii names "Rotpertus et uxor Tota"[522]. "Theudericus rex Francorum" donated property held by "Detta relicta Chrodoberctho quondam" to "Chainoni diacono" by charter dated 12 Sep 677[523]."
Med Lands cites:
; NB: There seems to be disagreement about the descent from Chrodobert (Robert).
     I. Genealogics shows
1 Chrodobertus (Robert), nobleman in Neustria, courtier of Dagobert I
     2 Lambert (I) (Lantbertus), Referendarius to Dagobert I, King of Neustria d. Aft 650
          3 Chrodobertus (Robert), Count Palatine, Chancellor of Chlotar III m. Doda|Detta
               4 Lambert (II) (Lantbertus) d. Bef 741 m. Chrotlind
                    5 Rutpert I, Duke in Haspengau m. Williswint
Genealogics cites:


     II. Genealogy.EU (Capet 1) follows Genealogics, showing:
A1. Chrodobertus=Robert, living 630
     B1. Lambert I, +after 650
          C1. Chrodobertus=Robert II, m.Doda N
               D1. Ct Lambert II, living 741
                    E1. Robert I, Duke in Haspengau


     III. Med Lands argues that there were two Mairodomos, named CHRODBERT [Robert] [I] and CHRODBERT [Robert] [II], and shows no relation between them.
Chrodbert #1 per Med Lands:
     "CHRODBERT [Robert] [I] . The Vita Lantberti names "Hrotbertus ac Haltbertus" as "avunculi" of "Lambertus vir…nobilissimi generis prosapia ortus", specifying that "Hrotbertus" was "summus palatii referendarius"[513]. Referendarius of King Dagobert I 8 Apr 630. Anulus of King Clotaire III. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[514], Chrodbert [I] and his brothers were sons of "Charibert nobilis in Neustria †635". No reference has been found to this person in any of the primary sources so far consulted and it has been decided to omit him until a positive identification can be made.
     "m ---. The name of Chrodbert’s wife is not known.
     "Chrodbert [I] & his wife had one child:
Here Med Lands cites:


Chrodbert #2 per Med Lands:
     "CHRODBERT [Robert] [II] (-before 12 Sep 677). According to Europäische Stammtafeln[519], Chrodbert [II] was the son of "Lambert [I] nobilis in Neustria †after 650", who in turn was the son of Chrodbert [I] (see above). No reference has been found to "Lambert [I]" in any of the primary sources so far consulted and it has been decided to omit him until a positive identification can be made. "Chlodovius rex Francorum" confirmed the privileges of the abbey of St Denis by charter dated 22 Jun 653, subscribed by "…Chradoberctus…"[520]. Chancellor for King Clothar III 658. "Childericus rex Francorum, Chadicho duce, Rodeberto comite" donated property to the monastery of St Gregory in Alsace by charter dated 4 Mar 673, the editor of the compilation identifying "Rodeberto comite" as "comes Alsatiæ superioris sive Sundgaviæ"[521]. Comes palatinus 2 Oct 678.
     "m DODA, daughter of --- (-before 12 Sep 677). The Vita Leudegarii names "Rotpertus et uxor Tota"[522]. "Theudericus rex Francorum" donated property held by "Detta relicta Chrodoberctho quondam" to "Chainoni diacono" by charter dated 12 Sep 677[523].
     "Chrodbert [II] & his wife had [one possible child]:
Med Lands cites:


From here, the descent to the Rutpert I shown as #5 in Genealogic's descent, is as follows:
1 CHRODBERT [Robert] [II] (-before 12 Sep 677)
2 [LAMBERT [II] (-before 741)
3 ROBERT [I] ([700/10]-before 764) Comte de Hesbaie m ([730]) WILLISWINDA
Conclusion: It seems that:
This leaves the questions for Med Lands of:
I have chosen to use the Genealogics/Genealogy.EU lineage. GA Vaut.^6,8,9,4,10 He was living in 653.⁴

     Doda/Detta (?) married Chrodobertus II (Robert) (?) Count Palatine, son of Lambert I (Lanbertus) (?).^1,2,3,4

Doda/Detta (?) died before 12 September 677.⁴
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "CHRODBERT [Robert] [II] (-before 12 Sep 677). According to Europäische Stammtafeln[519], Chrodbert [II] was the son of "Lambert [I] nobilis in Neustria †after 650", who in turn was the son of Chrodbert [I] (see above). No reference has been found to "Lambert [I]" in any of the primary sources so far consulted and it has been decided to omit him until a positive identification can be made. "Chlodovius rex Francorum" confirmed the privileges of the abbey of St Denis by charter dated 22 Jun 653, subscribed by "…Chradoberctus…"[520]. Chancellor for King Clothar III 658. "Childericus rex Francorum, Chadicho duce, Rodeberto comite" donated property to the monastery of St Gregory in Alsace by charter dated 4 Mar 673, the editor of the compilation identifying "Rodeberto comite" as "comes Alsatiæ superioris sive Sundgaviæ"[521]. Comes palatinus 2 Oct 678.
     "m DODA, daughter of --- (-before 12 Sep 677). The Vita Leudegarii names "Rotpertus et uxor Tota"[522]. "Theudericus rex Francorum" donated property held by "Detta relicta Chrodoberctho quondam" to "Chainoni diacono" by charter dated 12 Sep 677[523]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Capet 1): “C1. Chrodobertus=Robert II, Chancelor for King Clothar III, was made a count 678; m.Doda N”.⁵ GAV-35.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1961 9.⁶

     Lambert I (Lanbertus) (?) was born before 8 April 630; mentioned 8 April 630.⁴
Lambert I (Lanbertus) (?) died after 650; Genealogy.EU and Genealogics say d. aft 650; Med Lands says d. bef 741.^1,4,5
     Reference: Genealogics cites: He was Referendarius to Dagobert I, King of Neustria.² GAV-36 EDV-37 GKJ-38.
; NB: There seems to be disagreement about the descent from Chrodobert (Robert).
     I. Genealogics shows
1 Chrodobertus (Robert), nobleman in Neustria, courtier of Dagobert I
     2 Lambert (I) (Lantbertus), Referendarius to Dagobert I, King of Neustria d. Aft 650
          3 Chrodobertus (Robert), Count Palatine, Chancellor of Chlotar III m. Doda|Detta
               4 Lambert (II) (Lantbertus) d. Bef 741 m. Chrotlind
                    5 Rutpert I, Duke in Haspengau m. Williswint
Genealogics cites:


     II. Genealogy.EU (Capet 1) follows Genealogics, showing:
A1. Chrodobertus=Robert, living 630
     B1. Lambert I, +after 650
          C1. Chrodobertus=Robert II, m.Doda N
               D1. Ct Lambert II, living 741
                    E1. Robert I, Duke in Haspengau


     III. Med Lands argues that there were two Mairodomos, named CHRODBERT [Robert] [I] and CHRODBERT [Robert] [II], and shows no relation between them.
Chrodbert #1 per Med Lands:
     "CHRODBERT [Robert] [I] . The Vita Lantberti names "Hrotbertus ac Haltbertus" as "avunculi" of "Lambertus vir…nobilissimi generis prosapia ortus", specifying that "Hrotbertus" was "summus palatii referendarius"[513]. Referendarius of King Dagobert I 8 Apr 630. Anulus of King Clotaire III. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[514], Chrodbert [I] and his brothers were sons of "Charibert nobilis in Neustria †635". No reference has been found to this person in any of the primary sources so far consulted and it has been decided to omit him until a positive identification can be made.
     "m ---. The name of Chrodbert’s wife is not known.
     "Chrodbert [I] & his wife had one child:
Here Med Lands cites:


Chrodbert #2 per Med Lands:
     "CHRODBERT [Robert] [II] (-before 12 Sep 677). According to Europäische Stammtafeln[519], Chrodbert [II] was the son of "Lambert [I] nobilis in Neustria †after 650", who in turn was the son of Chrodbert [I] (see above). No reference has been found to "Lambert [I]" in any of the primary sources so far consulted and it has been decided to omit him until a positive identification can be made. "Chlodovius rex Francorum" confirmed the privileges of the abbey of St Denis by charter dated 22 Jun 653, subscribed by "…Chradoberctus…"[520]. Chancellor for King Clothar III 658. "Childericus rex Francorum, Chadicho duce, Rodeberto comite" donated property to the monastery of St Gregory in Alsace by charter dated 4 Mar 673, the editor of the compilation identifying "Rodeberto comite" as "comes Alsatiæ superioris sive Sundgaviæ"[521]. Comes palatinus 2 Oct 678.
     "m DODA, daughter of --- (-before 12 Sep 677). The Vita Leudegarii names "Rotpertus et uxor Tota"[522]. "Theudericus rex Francorum" donated property held by "Detta relicta Chrodoberctho quondam" to "Chainoni diacono" by charter dated 12 Sep 677[523].
     "Chrodbert [II] & his wife had [one possible child]:
Med Lands cites:


From here, the descent to the Rutpert I shown as #5 in Genealogic's descent, is as follows:
1 CHRODBERT [Robert] [II] (-before 12 Sep 677)
2 [LAMBERT [II] (-before 741)
3 ROBERT [I] ([700/10]-before 764) Comte de Hesbaie m ([730]) WILLISWINDA
Conclusion: It seems that:
This leaves the questions for Med Lands of:
I have chosen to use the Genealogics/Genealogy.EU lineage. GA Vaut.^5,3,6,7,8

     Chrodobertus I (Robert) (?) died after 630.¹
     GAV-37 EDV-38 GKJ-39.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 10.⁴ He was nobleman in Neustria, courtier of Dagobert I.² Chrodobertus I (Robert) (?) was also known as Robert I (?)¹

; NB: There seems to be disagreement about the descent from Chrodobert (Robert).
     I. Genealogics shows
1 Chrodobertus (Robert), nobleman in Neustria, courtier of Dagobert I
     2 Lambert (I) (Lantbertus), Referendarius to Dagobert I, King of Neustria d. Aft 650
          3 Chrodobertus (Robert), Count Palatine, Chancellor of Chlotar III m. Doda|Detta
               4 Lambert (II) (Lantbertus) d. Bef 741 m. Chrotlind
                    5 Rutpert I, Duke in Haspengau m. Williswint
Genealogics cites:


     II. Genealogy.EU (Capet 1) follows Genealogics, showing:
A1. Chrodobertus=Robert, living 630
     B1. Lambert I, +after 650
          C1. Chrodobertus=Robert II, m.Doda N
               D1. Ct Lambert II, living 741
                    E1. Robert I, Duke in Haspengau


     III. Med Lands argues that there were two Mairodomos, named CHRODBERT [Robert] [I] and CHRODBERT [Robert] [II], and shows no relation between them.
Chrodbert #1 per Med Lands:
     "CHRODBERT [Robert] [I] . The Vita Lantberti names "Hrotbertus ac Haltbertus" as "avunculi" of "Lambertus vir…nobilissimi generis prosapia ortus", specifying that "Hrotbertus" was "summus palatii referendarius"[513]. Referendarius of King Dagobert I 8 Apr 630. Anulus of King Clotaire III. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[514], Chrodbert [I] and his brothers were sons of "Charibert nobilis in Neustria †635". No reference has been found to this person in any of the primary sources so far consulted and it has been decided to omit him until a positive identification can be made.
     "m ---. The name of Chrodbert’s wife is not known.
     "Chrodbert [I] & his wife had one child:
Here Med Lands cites:


Chrodbert #2 per Med Lands:
     "CHRODBERT [Robert] [II] (-before 12 Sep 677). According to Europäische Stammtafeln[519], Chrodbert [II] was the son of "Lambert [I] nobilis in Neustria †after 650", who in turn was the son of Chrodbert [I] (see above). No reference has been found to "Lambert [I]" in any of the primary sources so far consulted and it has been decided to omit him until a positive identification can be made. "Chlodovius rex Francorum" confirmed the privileges of the abbey of St Denis by charter dated 22 Jun 653, subscribed by "…Chradoberctus…"[520]. Chancellor for King Clothar III 658. "Childericus rex Francorum, Chadicho duce, Rodeberto comite" donated property to the monastery of St Gregory in Alsace by charter dated 4 Mar 673, the editor of the compilation identifying "Rodeberto comite" as "comes Alsatiæ superioris sive Sundgaviæ"[521]. Comes palatinus 2 Oct 678.
     "m DODA, daughter of --- (-before 12 Sep 677). The Vita Leudegarii names "Rotpertus et uxor Tota"[522]. "Theudericus rex Francorum" donated property held by "Detta relicta Chrodoberctho quondam" to "Chainoni diacono" by charter dated 12 Sep 677[523].
     "Chrodbert [II] & his wife had [one possible child]:
Med Lands cites:


From here, the descent to the Rutpert I shown as #5 in Genealogic's descent, is as follows:
1 CHRODBERT [Robert] [II] (-before 12 Sep 677)
2 [LAMBERT [II] (-before 741)
3 ROBERT [I] ([700/10]-before 764) Comte de Hesbaie m ([730]) WILLISWINDA
Conclusion: It seems that:
This leaves the questions for Med Lands of:
I have chosen to use the Genealogics/Genealogy.EU lineage. GA Vaut.^5,4,6,7,8 He was living on 8 April 630.^1,4

     Charibert (?) died before 636.^3,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 10.⁴ GAV-39.

; Per Genealogy.EU (Capet 1): “Charibert, a noble in Neustria ca 636, had issue”.³

     Rupert|Cancor (?) Graf im Breisgau, Oberrheingau, etc married Angila (?)^1,3

Rupert|Cancor (?) Graf im Breisgau, Oberrheingau, etc died after 782.^1,3
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 10.² GAV-35.

; Per Med Lands:
     "CANCOR (-771). Graf im Rheingau. "Cancor…Rhenensis pagi comes cum matre sua…Williswinda vidua Ruperti comitis" founded Kloster Lorsch by charter dated 764[506]. "Williswinda…et filius meus Cancor" donated "villam…in pago Wormatiense…Hagenheim super fluvium Salusiam", inherited from "genitoris mei…Adelhelmi", to monastery "Lauresham in pago Rhenense super fluvium Wisgotz" by charter dated 12 Jul 764, signed by "…Heimerici filii Cancronis"[507]. The Chronicon Laureshamense records the donation dated "764 IV Id Iul" in Hagenheim by "Williswinda…et filius meus Cancor comes"[508]. "Cancor et Angila conjux mea" donated property "in illa marcha de Bisistat…de dote Angilæ" [Birstatt] to Lorsch by charter dated 1 Jun 770, signed by "Thurincberti fratris ipsius Cancronis et Heimerici filii sui"[509]. The Annalium Laureshamensium record the death in 771 of "Cancor"[510].
     "m ANGILA, daughter of --- (-after 1 Jun 770). "Cancor et Angila conjux mea" donated property "in illa marcha de Bisistat…de dote Angilæ" [Birstatt] to Lorsch by charter dated 1 Jun 770, signed by "Thurincberti fratris ipsius Cancronis et Heimerici filii sui"[511]. The Chronicon Laureshamense records the donation of "villa Bisistat" dated 1 Jun 770 by "comitis Cancronis et uxoris eius Angila"[512]."
Med Lands cites:

     Angila (?) married Rupert|Cancor (?) Graf im Breisgau, Oberrheingau, etc, son of Robert I (?) Comte de Hesbaie, Count Palatine, Graf im Oberrheingau und Wormsgau and Williswint (?).^1,2

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "CANCOR (-771). Graf im Rheingau. "Cancor…Rhenensis pagi comes cum matre sua…Williswinda vidua Ruperti comitis" founded Kloster Lorsch by charter dated 764[506]. "Williswinda…et filius meus Cancor" donated "villam…in pago Wormatiense…Hagenheim super fluvium Salusiam", inherited from "genitoris mei…Adelhelmi", to monastery "Lauresham in pago Rhenense super fluvium Wisgotz" by charter dated 12 Jul 764, signed by "…Heimerici filii Cancronis"[507]. The Chronicon Laureshamense records the donation dated "764 IV Id Iul" in Hagenheim by "Williswinda…et filius meus Cancor comes"[508]. "Cancor et Angila conjux mea" donated property "in illa marcha de Bisistat…de dote Angilæ" [Birstatt] to Lorsch by charter dated 1 Jun 770, signed by "Thurincberti fratris ipsius Cancronis et Heimerici filii sui"[509]. The Annalium Laureshamensium record the death in 771 of "Cancor"[510].
     "m ANGILA, daughter of --- (-after 1 Jun 770). "Cancor et Angila conjux mea" donated property "in illa marcha de Bisistat…de dote Angilæ" [Birstatt] to Lorsch by charter dated 1 Jun 770, signed by "Thurincberti fratris ipsius Cancronis et Heimerici filii sui"[511]. The Chronicon Laureshamense records the donation of "villa Bisistat" dated 1 Jun 770 by "comitis Cancronis et uxoris eius Angila"[512]."
Med Lands cites: GAV-35.

     Heimrich/Heimo (?) Graf in der Wetterau died on 5 May 795 at Lune, Elbe, Germany (now); killed in battle.^5,4
     GAV-35.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 10; III 54.⁴ Heimrich/Heimo (?) Graf in der Wetterau was also known as Heimrich (?) Count in Oberrheingau.^2,6

; Per Genealogy.EU (Capet 3):
"Heimrich, Count in Oberrheingau, had issue:
     A1. Ct Robert, +ca 805
          B1. Ct Cancor, fl 812
          B2. Ct Robert, fl 817
     A2. Ct Heinrich, fl 812; m.Hadaburg N
          B1. Ct Poppo I in Saalgau
               C1. Henri I, Duke of Austrasia, +k.a.Paris before 28.8.886, bur St.Medard at Soissons
                    D1. Ct Adalbert, +executed 9.6.906
                    D2. Ct Adalhard, +executed 903
                    D3. Ct Henri II, +k.a.902/3
                         E1. Ct Henri III, +ca 935
                              F1. Ct Henri IV, Archbp of Trier, +Rome 964
                              F2. Ct Berthold von Nordgau, +980; m.Eiliswinth von Walbeck
                              F3. Poppo de Austrasia, Bp of Würzburg, +II.961
                         E2. Hadui, +903; m.869/70 Duke Otto of Saxony (+912)
               C2. Duke Poppo II of Sorbenmark, living 906
                    D1. Ct Adalbert of Grabfeld and Tullfeld, fl 915
                    D2. Ct Poppo III, +945
               B2. Ct Heimerich, +836“.⁶

; Per Genealogics:
     “On 12 Jul 764 founded Lorsch Abbey with his father and grandmother”.⁴

     Count Anselm (?) died in 778 at Ronceveaux.¹

     Rupert (?) died after 779.¹
      ; Abbot.¹

     Ruodhaid/Chrothais (?) and Charles Martel "the Hammer" (?) King of the Franks were associated; Mistress of Charles Martel.^3,4,2,5 GAV-35.

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Ruodhaid was a mistress of Charles Martel with whom she had the following children:[1]
** Bernard (c. 720–787)
** Hieronymus, son of Charles Martel (c.722- after 782)
** Remigius, Archbishop of Rouen (d. 771)
** Aldana, wife of Theoderich, Count of Autun
References
1. Schreiber, Karl-Heinz (2002). "Ruodhaid-Nebenfrau Karl Martells". Genealogie Mittelalter (in German). self-published. Archived from the original on 2007-05-29."¹

Reference: Genealogics cites; Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 52.⁴

     Count Guntram (?) died after 837.¹

     Oda (?) married Walaho IV (?) Graf im Wormsgau.^1,4,2,5

      ; Per Med Lands. "[ODA . The primary source which confirms her suggested parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. It is presumably speculative. m WALACHO [Walo]² Graf im Wormsgau, son of --- (-before 891).]

     Walaho IV (?) Graf im Wormsgau married Oda (?), daughter of Rutpert/Robert III (?) Count in Wormsgau and Oberrheinsgau and Waldrada/Wiltrud (?).^1,2,4,3

Walaho IV (?) Graf im Wormsgau died before 891.^2,3
     ; NB:
     The ancestry of Werner, Count of Worms and progrenitor of the Salian dynasty, is now considered to be unknown/uncertain. My original information was based on Weis 7th ed. [1992]. Now I have seen that while Weis 7th ed. [1992] showed Werner, Count of Worms (#19) as the son of Conrad the Old, Count of Logenahe; Weis 8th ed. [2004] has revised line to show no father for Werner.
     Genealogics shows Werner as the son of Werner IV.
     Genealogy.EU (Salian Family) shows Werner (IV), the son of a series of Warners back to Warner I.
     Med Lands shows no ancestors for Werner.
     Wikipedia says that Werner was Werner V and "presumably" the son of Werner IV. Wikiepdia (DE) discusses three (not musutually exclusive theories regarding the parents of Werner V, including he likelihood that he was the son of Werner IV (also known as Walaho IV).
Conclusion: I have removed the link that I earlier had between Werner and Conrad 'the Old' and now show his father as Werner/Walaho IV. GA Vaut.^{5,6,7,8,9,10,2,11}

; Per Med Lands. "[ODA . The primary source which confirms her suggested parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. It is presumably speculative. m WALACHO [Walo]⁴ Graf im Wormsgau, son of --- (-before 891).] GAV-33.

; Per Med Lands:
     "WALACHO [Walo] [I] (-before 891). Graf im Nidagau. "Walaho comes" donated property "in pago Nithagowe in Selbahe" to Kloster Bleidenstatt by charter dated 3 Dec 881[591]. Graf im Wormsgau. "Hludowicus…rex" granted property "in pago Wormazfeld in comitatu Walonis…in Alahesheim" to Humboldo by charter dated 22 Sep 881[592].
     "m ODA, daughter of ROBERT [III] Graf im Worsmgau & his wife Wiltrud ---. "
Med Lands cites: Walaho IV (?) Graf im Wormsgau was also known as Werner IV (?) Graf im Speyergau.¹²

; This is the same person as ”Walaho IV.” at Wikipedia (DE).²

     Agane (?) married Robert I "le Fort" (?) Cte de Paris, de Angers et de Tours, son of Rutpert/Robert III (?) Count in Wormsgau and Oberrheinsgau and Waldrada/Wiltrud (?),
;
His 1st wife.^1,2
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ROBERT "le Fort", son of --- ([815/30]-killed in battle Brissarthe 2 Jul 866). Robert´s birth date range is estimated assuming that his known sons were born in [850/60] as shown below. The parentage of Robert "le Fort" is obscure. Some general indications of his origin are found in near contemporary sources, but these are contradictory. An unspecific Franconian origin is favoured by the Annales Xantenses which name him “Ruodbertus…ortus de Francia, dux Karoli” when recording his death[3], and by Widukind who refers to his son King Eudes as “ex orientalibus Francia”[4]. A Saxon origin is suggested by two sources: firstly, Richer names “ex equestre ordine Rotbertum” as father of King Eudes and his “avum…paternum Witichinum advenam Germanum”[5]; secondly, the Miracula Sancti Benedicti names “Robertus, Andagavensis comes, Saxonici generis vir”[6]. Abbon refers to his son Eudes King of France as "Neustrien…fils de la Neustrie"[7]. Other early sources specifically state that nothing is known of the origins of Robert, for example Rodulphus Glaber ("cuius genus…oscurum")[8]. The possible identity of Robert´s mother is suggested by the charter dated 20 Feb "anno XXVII regnante domino Carolo…rege" under which "Robertus…beati Martini abbas…et comes" confirmed donations to Tour Saint-Martin made "olim…ab Odone quondam comite Aurelianensi avunculo nostro et Willelmo eius filio"[9]. However, there are two possible interpretations of the dating clause of this document. If it refers to Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks, whose reign is normally dated from the death of his father in Jun 840, the year would be [867] the year after Robert "le Fort" died. Another possibility is that the clause refers to Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks, in which case the year would be 920, indicating that the donor was the future Robert I King of France, rather than Robert "le Fort", although this would not change the significance of the relationship described ("avunculus" could also have been used in the document in the sense of "great-uncle"). As discussed further below, Anatole de Barthélemy uses this document as part of his argument for identifying Guillaume Comte de Blois as the father of Robert "le Fort". However, "avunculus" in its strict sense indicates "maternal uncle" and, while the terms "patruus" (paternal uncle) and "avunculus" (maternal uncle) are frequently used interchangeably in contemporary primary source documentation, it is possible that the relationship was through a sister of the two brothers Eudes Comte d´Orléans and Guillaume Comte de Blois, who could have been the mother of Robert "le Fort". If this is correct, he would have been Robert "le Fort", son of --- & his wife ---. It should be emphasised that this hypothesis is speculative. Another possibility is that, assuming that the donor was the future Robert I King of France as suggested, the relationship could have been through his mother, the wife of Robert "le Fort", who could have been the niece of the brothers Eudes Comte d´Orléans and Guillaume Comte de Blois.
     "Four more specific suggestions about Robert´s paternal ancestry have been made:
     "Firstly, many modern secondary sources identify him as Robert [Rodbert], son of Rodbert Graf im Wormsgau & his wife Wiltrud ---, who was first named in Germany in 836 as "son of the late Rodbert Graf von Wormsgau", in a donation to Mettenheim[10]. No primary source has yet been found which points specifically towards this suggested co-identity, although it is consistent with the Franconian origin referred to by the Annales Xantenses and by Widukind, as noted above. It is assumed that the suggestion is based primarily on onomastics, although the first secondary source which proposed the connection has not yet been identified and therefore has not been checked. The author in question may have assumed that Robert was a unique name among noblemen in France in the first half of the 9th century, although this ignores Robert Seigneur [comte] à Sesseau en Berry, who was the possible brother of the wife of Pepin I King of Aquitaine (see the document CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY). The timing of the supposed arrival of Robert from Franconia, assuming that the co-identity is correct, is not ideal either. Robert would presumably have fled Germany after opting to support Charles II “le Chauve” King of the West Franks in the latter´s fight against his brother Ludwig II "der Deutsche” King of the East Franks. This dispute is dated to 858/59: King Ludwig invaded in Aug 858, when King Charles was faced with widespread rebellion, and was defeated in Jan 859. However, Robert "le Fort" is already named as missus in Maine, Anjou and Touraine in Nov 853, in a document issued by King Charles II (see below), unless of course this document refers to Robert Seigneur [comte] à Sesseau, which is not impossible.
     "Secondly, there is a possible connection between Robert "le Fort" and the family of Aledramn [I] Comte de Troyes, who died in [852] (see CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY). Such indications are provided by Regino who names "Waltgerius comes, nepos Odonis regis, filius scilicet avunculi eius Adalhelmi in Aquitanien" when recording his battle against "Ramnulfum et fratrem eius Gozbertum et Ebulonem abbatum de sancto Dionysio " in Jul 892, and names "Megingaudus comes, nepos supradicti Odonis regis [son of Robert "le Fort"]" when recording his death, also in 892[11]. A further indication is found in the charter dated 14 Sep 937, under which Robert "le Fort"´s grandson "Hugues abbé de Saint-Martin" donated "son alleu de Lachy…dans le comté de Meaux" to Tours Saint-Martin, specifying that he had inherited the property from "comte Aledramnus" who had been granted it by Charlemagne[12]. It should be noted, however, that all these sources would be consistent with the family connection between Robert "le Fort" and Adalhelm being through the female line, or even through Robert´s wife.
     "Thirdly, an interesting possibility is indicated by Europäische Stammtafeln which names the first wife of Comte Robert as "[Agane]"[13]. It cites no corresponding primary source, but presumably the suggestion is based on the Miraculis Sancti Genulfi which names "Agana filia…Byturicensium comes…Wifredus [et]…Oda coniux" as wife of "Roberto viro primoque palatii Pipini regis"[14]. This "Roberto" can probably be identified as Robert Seigneur [comte] à Sesseau en Berry, the supposed brother of the wife of Pepin I King of Aquitaine (this relationship is referred to by Settipani, but he neither quotes nor cites the corresponding source[15]). Could it be possible therefore that he was the same person as Robert "le Fort"? If this was the case, it would be consistent with the Saxon origin which is suggested by Richer and by the Miracula Sancti Benedicti (see above). The supposed father of Robert de Sesseau was Theodebert Comte de Madrie who, it is suspected, was related to the family of Nibelung and Childebrand (see CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY). The Saxon connection of the latter family is suggested by the name Theoderic (nine different individuals named Theoderic have been identified in the family), which was first recorded in Saxony in the family of Widukind by Einhard in 782 (see the document SAXONY).
     "Fourthly, Anatole de Barthélemy suggests that Robert was the son of Guillaume Comte de Blois, who was killed in battle in Jun 834 (see CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY)[16]. This suggestion was accepted by René Merlet[17]. Barthélemy bases his theory on the exchange of property in the county of Blois made by Comte Robert dated 865 (see below), concluding that Robert "avait son principal établissement à Blois…en pleine Neustrie, ce qui confirme singulièrement l´allégation d´Abbon" (who refers to Robert´s Neustrian origin, see above)[18]. Barthélemy also quotes a charter under which "Robertus…beati Martini abbas…et comes" confirmed donations to Tour Saint-Martin made "olim…ab Odone quondam comite Aurelianensi avunculo nostro et Willelmo eius filio", dated 20 Feb "anno XXVII regnante domino Carolo…rege"[19]. As noted above, the dating clause of this document may either refer to King Charles II "le Chauve" or to Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks, in the latter case the donor being the future Robert I King of France not Robert "le Fort", although this would not change the significance of the relationship described ("avunculus" could also have been used in the document in the sense of "great-uncle"). As discussed further above, the term "avunculus" reminds us that the relationship, as described in this charter, could also have been through a sister of the two brothers Eudes Comte d´Orléans and Guillaume Comte de Blois.
     "Whatever the truth about Robert´s parentage, his career in France is recorded with certainty from 853, although Merlet suggests that he was named in a charter dated I Oct 845[20]: Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks restored property to Hincmar Archbishop of Reims which he had previously granted to his supporters, including property granted to "…Rotbertus…", by charter dated 1 Oct 845[21]. This co-identity is not beyond doubt. A document issued by King Charles II "le Chauve" dated Nov 853 names "Dodo episcopus, Hrotbertus et Osbertus" as missi in "Cinnomannio, Andegavensi, atque Turonico, Corboniso, et Sagiso"[22]. The Annales Bertiniani record that "Pippinus" joined with "Rotberto comiti et Britonibus" in 859[23], which suggests that Robert had earlier rebelled against King Charles II in Brittany. Robert submitted to the king's authority, when he was given command of the march of Neustria, which had been confiscated from the Rorgonid family for supporting the revolt of Louis (later King Louis II) against his father[24]. Regino records that King Charles II "le Chauve" invested "Rodberto comiti" with "ducatum inter Ligerim et Sequanam adversum Brittones" in 861[25]. The Annales Bertiniani record that "Rodbertus" attacked "Salomone duce" [duke of Brittany] in 862[26]. The Annales record that King Charles´s son, the future King Louis II "le Bègue", rebelled against his father in 862 and, heading an army of Bretons, defeated "Rotbertum patris fidelem" in 862, after which he burned Angers yet again[27]. Count in the march of Anjou [862/63]: the creation of the "march" of Anjou is probably dated to the early 860s, as the Annales Bertiniani name "Rodberto, qui marchio in Andegavo fuerat" in 865[28]. This change of jurisdictional status must have been insufficient to control the Bretons and the Vikings because Robert is named in the Annales Bertiniani in 865 in the context of King Charles imposing direct rule in the area by sending "Hludowicum filium suum" into "Neustriam" and granting him "comitatum Andegavensem et abbatiam Maioris-monasterii et quasdam villas illi", while recording that Robert was compensated with "comitatum Autissiodorensem et comitatum Nivernensem". "Le comte Robert" donated "certains biens…situés dans le comté de Blois, dans la viguerie d´Averdon au village dit Gabrium et faisant partie du domaine de Saint-Lubin" to Actard Bishop of Nantes in exchange for other property "situés au même lieu et dépendant aussi du domaine de Saint-Lubin" by charter dated May 865[29]. Merlet suggests that this charter indicates that Robert "le Fort" was Comte de Blois at the time[30]. However, another possibility is that the county indicated was the "march of Anjou" to which Robert had been appointed count some years before (see above). Comte d'Auxerre and Comte de Nevers 865. The Annales Bertiniani name "Rodbertus et Odo" as "præfecti" in the Seine valley area in 866 when recording that they repelled the Vikings who had sailed up river as far as "castrum Milidunum"[31]. "Odo" is presumably identified as Eudes Comte de Troyes, who died 1 Aug 871 (see CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY) and who, according to René Merlet, may have been the brother of Robert "le Fort"[32]. The Annales Bertiniani record that "Rotbertum et Ramnulfum, Godtfridum quoque et Heriveum comites" were defeated by the Vikings at "Brieserta" in 866, where Robert was killed[33]. The Adonis Continuatio records that "Robertus quoque atque Ramnulfus…inter primos ipsi priores" were killed by the Vikings in 866[34].
     "The name of Comte Robert's wife or wives is not known, but there are indications that he married more than once, maybe three times. One possibility can be dismissed immediately: one passage in the Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne, interpolated into the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines, names "Regine, que cum esset iuvencula fuit concubina Karoli Magni iam senioris" as wife of "Roberti Fortis marchionis"[35]. This is chronologically impossible as Regina must have been born in [785] at the latest (the birth of her older son is recorded in 801), and therefore was far too old to have been Robert´s wife. Three possibilities remain:
     "[m [firstly] ---. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[36], the first wife of Comte Robert was "[Agane]". The primary source on which this is based is not noted, but as stated above, it is probably the Miraculis Sancti Genulfi which names "Agana filia…Byturicensium comes…Wifredus [et]…Oda coniux" as wife of "Roberto viro primoque palatii Pipini regis"[37]. As discussed above, this would mean that Robert "le Fort" was the same person as Robert Seigneur [comte] à Sesseau en Berry. If this co-identity is correct, Agane would have been too old to have been the mother of the recorded children of Robert "le Fort". It would therefore be consistent for her to have been Robert´s first wife.]
     "[m [secondly] ---. If the theories relating to Robert´s possible first and third marriages are correct as set out in the present document, the chronology dictates that the wife who was the mother of his children, born in [850/60], must have been a different person. There is no indication who she might have been, apart from the charter dated 20 Feb "anno XXVII regnante domino Carolo…rege" which is discussed above. If, in accordance with one of the possibilities suggested above, the dating clause in this document refers to the reign of Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks, the donor must have been the future Robert I King of France. In this case, the relationship "avunculus" described in the document could have been through the donor´s mother, the wife of Robert "le Fort" which, if correct, would mean that Robert´s second wife could have been the niece of the brothers Eudes Comte d´Orléans and Guillaume Comte de Blois.]
     "[m [thirdly] ---. Some secondary works[38] assert that the wife of Robert was Adelais [de Tours], widow of Conrad Comte de Paris et d'Auxerre [Welf], daughter of Hugues Comte de Tours & his wife Ava ---. If this is correct, Adelais must have been Comte Robert's second or third wife as Conrad died after 862, by which date Robert's known children were already born. The assertion appears to be based on the Chronicle of St Bénigne de Dijon which names "duo filii Rotberti Andegavorum comitis, frs Hugonis abbatis, senior Odo…Robertus alter"[39], "Hugonis abbatis" being the son of Conrad Comte de Paris and assuming that "frs" is an abbreviation for "fratres". Settipani states that the passage is a 12th century interpolation and has little historical value, although he does suggest that it is likely that the wife of Comte Robert was a close relation of Adelais (without providing the reasoning for his statement)[40]. A family connection between Comte Robert and Conrad Comte de Paris is also suggested by the former being invested with the county of Auxerre in 865, after this county was confiscated from the latter (as recorded by Hincmar[41]), on the assumption that there was some basis of heredity behind the transmission of counties in France at that time (which is probable, but remains unproven). "
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