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     Alan de Dinan vicomte de Dinan was born circa 1090.⁶ He married Eleanor/Aginore (?) de Penthievre, daughter of Etienne I (?) Comte de Tréguier et de Lamballe, Lord of Richmond and Hawise (Hedwig) (?) de Guincamp, in 1135.^1,6,7,8,9,4

Alan de Dinan vicomte de Dinan died before 1166.^1,6,4
Alan de Dinan vicomte de Dinan died after 1173.²
      ; per John Ravilious: Alan de Dinan[1]
Death:     bef 1166[2]
Occ:     vicomte de Dinan
Father:     Geoffroi II de Dinan (->1122)
Mother:     Orieldis

of Burton, co. Northants.

seigneur de Dinan-Becherel
champion of Henry I in tournament against that of King Louis VI of France at Gisors, ca. 1109 [DD 433[3]]
supporter of the Empress Matilda against Stephen, from 1135[3]

'Alan, the grantee of Henry I, was succeeded as tenant at will in the whole of Burton by Roland de Dinant, who was holding it in 1166 and 1173.'[2]

identification as father of Emma de Dinan, wife of Robert de Vitre by Todd A. Farmerie (citing CP; also re: Aginore de Penthievre as wife of Alan, not Oliver- as per K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants p. 434[3])[4]

see also Ancestral Roots 7th ed., p. 178, citing 'The Moriarity Notebooks, vol.13'[5]

Spouse:     Aginore of Richmond[4]
Father:     Stephen, count of Brittany and lord of Richmond (-1135)
Mother:     Hawisa de Guincamp(->1134)

Children:     Emma (-1208)
               Roland (-<1190)

Sources:
1. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the
United Kingdom.
2. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Eleanor de Vitre," August 15, 2002, paper copy:
library of John P. Ravilious, citations from Rosie Bevan :
rbevan@paradise.net.nz, citation from Victoria County History of
Northants., vol. 3, p. 181 [which cites Red Book of Exchequer, Rolls series, 331-2; Great Roll of the Pipe (Pipe Roll Soc.), xi, 119; xii, 54; xxi, p.53].
3. K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants," The Boydell Press,
Woodbridge, 2002.
4. Mike Talbot, "Vitri," June 24, 1998, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
additional commentary by Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu).
5. Frederick L. Weis (add/corr, Walter L Sheppard Jr.), "Ancestral
Roots of Certain American Colonists," Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co.¹

Alan de Dinan vicomte de Dinan lived at Burton, Northamptonshire, England.¹

; van de Pas cites: 1. The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XI 378
2. Europaische Stammtafeln, J. A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: XIV 136
3. Victoria County History of Northants, volume 3, Reference: being grantee of Henry I
4. Domesday Descendants, The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, 2002, Keats-Rohan, K. S. B.⁶

; per van de Pas: [quote] At Gisors about 1109, Alan was champion of Henry I, King of England, in a tournament against Louis VI, King of France. From 1135 onwards he was a supporter of the Empress Matilda against Stephen de Blois. 'Alan the grantee of Henry I, was succeeded as tenant at will in the whole of Burton by Roland de Dinan, who was holding it in 1166 and 1173. [end quote]⁶

; Weis AR 108-27.¹⁰ GAV-24 EDV-25 GKJ-24. Alan de Dinan vicomte de Dinan was also known as Oliver II de Dinan Vicomte de Dinan, Seigneur de Dinan-Becherel.⁶

     Patrick d'Evreux 1st Earl of Salisbury married Maud (?)
;
His 1st wife.^6,4,7 Patrick d'Evreux 1st Earl of Salisbury was born circa 1122 at Salisbury, Wiltshire Unitary Authority, Wiltshire, England.^4,8 He married Ela Talvas (?) de Ponthieu, daughter of Guillaume I 'Talvas' (?) Comte de Alençon. Duc de Alençon, Comte de Ponthieu & Montreuil. and Hélie/Alice/Ela (?) de Bourgogne, circa 1149
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His 2nd wife; her 2nd husband. Genealogics says m. 1149; Med Lands says m. "1152 of before."^{9,10,11,12,13,4,7}
Patrick d'Evreux 1st Earl of Salisbury died circa 7 April 1168 at near Poitiers, Departement de la Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France (now); per Burke's Extinct Peerages: killed by Guy de Lusignan in Aquitaine while returning from a pilgrimage to St. James of Compostella.^1,2,4,5
Patrick d'Evreux 1st Earl of Salisbury was buried after 7 April 1168 at Abbey Of Saint Hilaire, Poitiers, Departement de la Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1122, Salisbury, Wiltshire Unitary Authority, Wiltshire, England
     DEATH     27 Mar 1168 (aged 45–46), Poitiers, Departement de la Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
     Patrick FitzWalter or Patrick de Salisbury, 1st Earl of Salisbury, Patrick d'Evereaux. Patrick was the son of Walter FitzEdward de Salisbury and Sibilla de Chaworth, the grandson of Edward de Devereux, Patrick de Chaworth and Sybil de Hesdin. He was an Anglo Norman noble, and uncle to William Marshall.
     Patrick's first wife is unknown, his second wife was Ela Talvas, the daughter of William Talvas, Comte de Ponthieu. They had four children including William FitzPatrick de Saresbury, the 2nd Earl of Salisbury, Walter and Philip.
     In 1141, Patrick, a Salisbury constable, married his sister, Sybil to John FitzGilbert, a rival of Patrick's. He transferred his loyalties from King Stephen to Empress Mathilda, gaining the friendship of John the Marshal and being declared the first Earl of Salisbury. Patrick also became the governor of Poitou, served as a steward of the household of Empress Matilda, and was a Lieutenant to Henry II in Aquitaine, France, and captain general of the King's forces. Patrick minted his own coins, struck in the town of Salisbury.
     Patrick was slain by Guy de Lusignan's forces during battle at Poitou after he had returned from a pilgrimage to Saint James of Compostella, Spain.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Walter Fitz Edward 1091–1147
          Sibilla de Chaworth 1100–1140
     Spouse
          Ela Talvas FitzWalter 1118–1174
     Siblings
          Hawise de Salisbury de Dreux 1118–1151
          Sybilla de Salisbury 1126–1176
     Children
          William Fitzpatrick 1154–1196
     BURIAL     Abbey Of Saint Hilaire, Poitiers, Departement de la Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
     Maintained by: Anne Shurtleff Stevens
     Originally Created by: Jerry Ferren
     Added: 30 Dec 2010
     Find a Grave Memorial 63487389.⁸
      ; Per Burke's: "Patrick de Evereux, who, being steward of the household to the Empress Maud, was advanced by that princess to the dignity of Earl of Salisbury, and was one of the subscribing witnesses, as such, to the agreement made between King Stephen and Henry, Duke of Normandy, in the 18th year of that monarch's reign [1151/2]. In the 10th Henry II [1163/4], his lordship was a witness to the recognition of the ancient laws and liberties of England, and in two years afterwards, upon the aid then assessed for marrying the king's dau., he certified his knights' fees at severnty eight and two-fifths. The earl being the king's lieutenant in Aquitaine, and captain general of his forces there, was slain in 1167, by Guy de Lusignan, upon his return from a pilgrimage to St. James of Compostella, and was s. by his son, William de Evereux, 2nd Earl of Salisbury..."² GAV-23 EDV-24.

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Per Genealogics:
     "Patrick was born about 1122, the son of Walter FitzEdward of Salisbury and Sibylle de Chanort.
     "Before 1141 Patrick was constable of Salisbury, a powerful local official but not a nobleman. That year Patrick married his sister Sybille to John Marshal, who had been a local rival of his, and he transferred his allegiance from King Stephen to the Empress Matilda. This political move gained him his earldom, and the friendship of John Marshal, who was to send his younger son William to stay with him. It was in Patrick's household where the famous William Marshal first learned about knighthood.
     "Patrick also minted his own coins, struck in the county town of Salisbury during the so called 'baronial issues' of 1135-1153. Only four examples have survived, three of which are in the Conte collection.
     "Patrick married twice. Nothing is known about his first wife Maud; his second wife was Ela de Ponthieu, daughter of Guillaume I Talvas, comte de Ponthieu et Alençon, and Hélie de Bourgogne, whom he married in 1149. In 1150 they had a son William who would have progeny, followed by three others, including Walter and Philip. Patrick was killed at Poitiers, France, on 27 March 1168 in an ambush by forces of Guy de Lusignan, who would later become count of Jaffa and Ascalon, and king of Jerusalem."⁴

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Burke's: Earldom of Salisbury: The first creation of this title took place some time between June 1142 and 1147, when the EMPRESS MAUD, HENRY I's daughter, made Patrick de Salisbury an Earl. He is sometimes referred to as Earl of Wiltshire and sometimes as Earl of Salisbury, usually the latter. At this time an earldom was an official position rather than title of honour, but was often held by successive members of the same family (see NORTHUMBERLAND, D, preliminary remarks), though not necessarily by right. Patrick was descended from a line of men who had been Sheriffs of Wiltshire from shortly after the Norman Conquest and who may even have been of English rather than Norman origin. Patrick's son succeeded him as Earl but died leaving an only child, a daughter called Ela or Isabel. RICHARD I arranged her marriage to William Longespee ('Long Sword'), his illegitimate half-brother by HENRY II."¹⁴

Reference: Weis [1992:101] Line 108-26.⁹ Patrick d'Evreux 1st Earl of Salisbury was also known as Patrick de Salisbury 1st Earl of Salisbury.^15,16

; This is the same person as Patrick, 1st Earl of Salisbury at Wikipedia, and as Patrick de Salisbury at Wikipédia (Fr.)^17,18

; Per Med Lands:
     "PATRICK (-killed in battle Poitou [7 Apr] 1168, bur Poitiers, Abbaye de Saint-Hilaire). The Book of Lacock names “Patricium primum comitem Sarum” as son of “Walterus de Saresburia” and his wife “Sibillam de Cadurcia”[1416]. He was created Earl of Wiltshire by Empress Matilda in [Jul 1143], but was usually styled Earl of Salisbury. “Comes Patricius Sarum” donated property to Bradenstoke priory, constructed by “pater meus Walterus de Saresbiria”, for the soul of “Matildis comitissæ uxoris meæ”, by undated charter[1417]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Walterus de Sireburne" used to hold one knight’s fee from the abbot of Glastonbury in Somerset "tempore Regis Henrici" (presumably indicating King Henry I) and that "comes Patricius" now held the same[1418]. Robert of Torigny records the rebellion in 1168 of "Pictavi et Aquitani ex maiori parte" during the course of which Henry II King of England captured "Lizennoium castrum" where he left "regina cum comite Patricio Salesberiense avunculo Rotrodi comitis Perticensis"[1419]. The Chronicle of Gervase records that "comes Patricius Sareberensis" was killed in 1168 "a Pictavensibus"[1420]. Robert of Torigny records that "comes Patricius" was killed "circa…octavas Paschæ" and buried "Sanctum Hylarium"[1421].
     "m firstly MATILDA, daughter of ---. “Comes Patricius Sarum” donated property to Bradenstoke priory, constructed by “pater meus Walterus de Saresbiria”, for the soul of “Matildis comitissæ uxoris meæ”, by undated charter[1422].
     "m secondly as her second husband, ELA de Ponthieu, widow of WILLIAM [III] de Warenne Earl of Surrey, daughter of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte d'Alençon & his wife Hélie de Bourgogne [Capet] (-10 Dec 1174). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “altera” married “tertio Willelmi de Warenna comiti...Surreiæ”[1423]. Her second marriage is confirmed by Robert of Torigny who refers to the wife of "comes Patricius" as "filia Guillermi comitis Pontivi, matre comitisse de Warenna"[1424]. Thomas Becket Archbishop of Canterbury wrote to “Alæ comitissæ Warennæ” concerning the retention from the monks of Lewes of tithes from her dower lands, dated to [1162/74][1425]. The register of Lewes priory records the death “IV Id Dec” in 1174 of “domina Ala comitissa Surregiæ filia comitis de Belesme et uxor Willielmi tertii...anno xxvi post virum suum” and states that it is not known where she was buried (“ubi sepulta est nescitur”)[1426]."
Med Lands cites: He was 1st Earl of Salisbury: The first creation of this title took place some time between June 1142 and 1147, when the EMPRESS MAUD, HENRY I's daughter, made Patrick de Salisbury an Earl. He is sometimes referred to as Earl of Wiltshire and sometimes as Earl of Salisbury, usually the latter. At this time an earldom was an official position rather than title of honour, but was often held by successive members of the same family (see NORTHUMBERLAND, D, preliminary remarks), though not necessarily by right. Patrick was descended from a line of men who had been Sheriffs of Wiltshire from shortly after the Norman Conquest and who may even have been of English rather than Norman origin. Patrick's son succeeded him as Earl but died leaving an only child, a daughter called Ela or Isabel. RICHARD I arranged her marriage to William Longespee ('Long Sword'), his illegitimate half-brother by HENRY II out of either Rosamund/Rosamond Clifford (the 'Fair Rosamond' of tradition) or a woman of obscure antecedents called Hikenai or Ykenai. (Longespee may, however, have been born of some other woman altogether.) between June 1142 and 1147.¹⁴ He was Earl of Salisbury between 1145 and 1168.¹⁷

     Walter Fitz Edward d'Evreux of Salisbury married Sybil de Chaworth, daughter of Patrick de Chaworth and Matilda de Hesdin.^5,2,6,3,7

Walter Fitz Edward d'Evreux of Salisbury died in 1147.^8,5
     GAV-24 EDV-23 GKJ-24. He was founder of Bradenstock Priory.⁸

Reference: Weis [AR7] 66-27
Genealogics cites:
     1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden.
XI 374
     2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 63.^3,8

; "Walter de Evereux, who m. Sibilla de Chaworth. This feudal lord founded the monastery of Bradenstoke, wherein, in his old age, he became a canon. He was s. by his son, Patrick de Evereux."² He was Sheriff of Wiltshire.⁸ Walter Fitz Edward d'Evreux of Salisbury was also known as Gautier d'Evreux, Earl of Salisbury.⁹ Walter Fitz Edward d'Evreux of Salisbury was also known as William de Salisbury.¹⁰

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Per Genealogics:
     "Walter FitzEdward, son of Edward of Salisbury, styled also Walter FitzEdward of Salisbury and Walter the Sheriff, was sheriff of Wiltshire under King Henry I, but lost the office for a time in that reign. In 1130 he was acquitted of four pounds _Danegeld_ in Dorset and seven pounds in Wiltshire. He was present at the Council of Northampton in September 1131. He was with King Stephen at Westminster at Easter 1136, and at Salisbury at Christmas 1139. He founded the Priory of Bradenstoke in Wiltshire, and was a benefactor to Salisbury Cathedral.
     "Walter married Sibylle de Chanort, daughter of Patrick de Chaorces (Chaworth) and Maud, daughter of Ernulf de Hesdin. Sibylle had as her marriage-portion fifteen fees of the old feoffment and one newly made. She died before her husband and was buried near the choir in the Priory of Bradenstoke. He took the habit of a canon there, died in 1147, and was buried in the same grave as his wife. They had three sons, William, Patrick and Walter, and at least two daughters, Havise and Sibylle, of whom Havise would have progeny by both her husbands, Rotrou I, comte du Perche and Robert I, comte de Dreux."⁸

     Sybil de Chaworth married Walter Fitz Edward d'Evreux of Salisbury, son of Edward "the Sheriff" d'Evreux of Salisbury.^4,5,1,6,7

     GAV-24 EDV-23 GKJ-24.

Reference: van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 63.¹ Sybil de Chaworth was also known as Sibyl de Chaources.⁸ Sybil de Chaworth was also known as Sibylle de Chanort.¹

     Mathilde (?) married Siegfried I von Northeim Graf von Northeim
;
His 1st wife?^1,2,3
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "SIEGFRIED, son of --- (-1004). Thietmar names "Siegfried and his son" among those who plotted against Heinrich II “der Zänker” Duke of Bavaria in his rebellion in 984[1496]. Graf von Northeim 1002. Thietmar names "Ethelind" as wife of Count Siegfried, recording that she welcomed Ekkehard I Markgraf von Meissen at Northeim in 1002 and warned him that her husband's sons "Sigifrith and Benno" were plotting to kill him[1497].
     "m firstly MATHILDE, daughter of ---. The Annalista Saxo names "comitissa Machtilde" as wife of "Sigefridus comes de Northeim"[1498].
     "m secondly ETHELINDE, daughter of ---. Thietmar names "Ethelind" as wife of Count Siegfried, recording that she welcomed Ekkehard I Markgraf von Meissen at Northeim in 1002 and warned him that her husband's sons "Sigifrith and Benno" were plotting to kill him[1499]. The text implies that Ethelinde may not have been the mother of the sons in question. However, the fact that Siegfried's great-granddaughter was named Ethelinde suggests a blood relationship with Ethelinde senior. Another possibility is that "comitissa Machtilde" and "Ethelind" were in fact the same person, mother of both Siegfried's sons."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 132.¹

     Gisela de Lluçà married Berenguer Ramón I "el Curvo" (?) Conde de Barcelona, son of Raimund/Ramon III/I Borell (?) Count of Barcelona, Girona and Osona and Ermensinde (?) de Carcassonne, in 1027
;
His 2nd/3rd wife?^7,1,8,5 Gisela de Lluçà married Udalardo II (?) Vizconde de Barcelona, son of Udalardo I (?) Vizconde de Barcelona and Riquilda (?) of Barcelona, in 1054
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Her 2nd husband.^9,3
Gisela de Lluçà died after 1079.^10,2,3
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Barcelona 1): “Ct Berenguer Ramon "el Cuervo" of Barcelona (1017-35) etc, *1005, +1035; 1m: 1018 Sancha de Gascogne; 2m: 1021 Sancha of Castile; 3m: 1027 Gisela de Lluca (+after 1079); For his descendants see http://genealogy.euweb.cz/barcelona/barcelona10.html"”.¹¹
; Per Med Lands:
     "BERENGUER RAMON [I] "el Curvo" de Barcelona, son of RAMON BORRELL [I] Comte de Barcelona & his wife Ermesinde de Carcassonne ([1000/05]-26 May 1035, bur Santa Maria de Ripoll). The Crónica de San Juan de la Peña names "Berenguer" as the son of "Remon Burrel conte de Barchinona"[289]. His birth date is estimated from the Crónica de San Juan de la Peña which records that "Berenguer" died aged 40[290], but this may be exaggerated considering the date of his first betrothal and the fact that his mother continued to exercise her regency until the early 1020s. He succeeded his father in 1017 as Comte de Barcelona, Girona, i Osona. “Ermesendis...comitissa simulque Berengarius prolis mei...comes ac marchio” donated “collo...de...Presa” to Sant Daniel de Girona, in accordance with the wishes of “viro meo domno Raimundo comite bona memoria”, by charter dated 16 Mar 1018[291]. The growth in power of feudal lords, and the consequent breakdown in central authority, led to a reaction to restore public order centred around the Truce of God (1027, 1033) inaugurated by the bishops of Elne and Vic[292]. “Berengarius…Marchio Comes…cum uxore mea Guillia comitissa” donated property to Barcelona Santa Eulalia by charter dated to [1028][293]. The Annales Barcinonenses record the death in 1035 of "Berengarius comes Barchinonensis"[294]. The testament of "Berengarii comiti et marchionis" dated 9 Feb 1035 names his wife, his mother and three sons[295]. The Crónica de San Juan de la Peña records the death in 1034 of "Berenguer" aged 40[296].
     "m firstly (betrothed 1016, Zaragoza 1021[297]) SANCHA Sánchez de Castilla, daughter of SANCHO [I] García Conde de Castilla & his wife Urraca Salvadórez ([1006/07]-26 June 1026, bur Santa Maria de Ripoll). She is named "Sancha daughter of the deceased Conde Sancho", assumed to be Sancho García Conde de Castilla, in her husband's 1025 charter[298]. Bofarull suggests that Sancha was the daughter of Sancho Duke of Gascony[299]. However, if this is correct, it is unclear why her husband would not have claimed the disputed succession to the duchy of Gascony, in her name, after the death of Duke Sancho in 1032.
     "m secondly ([1027]) as her first husband, GUISLA, daughter of --- (-after 1079). According to Europäische Stammtafeln[300], she was Guisla de Lluça, daughter of Sunifred [II] Señor de Lluça i Villanova & his wife Ermesenda de Balsareny. On the other hand Kerrebrouck states that the "third" wife of Berenguer Ramon [I] was "Guisle de Ampurias"[301]. The primary sources which corroborate these hypotheses have not yet been identified. “Berengarius…Marchio Comes…cum uxore mea Guillia comitissa” donated property to Barcelona Santa Eulalia by charter dated to [1028][302]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The testament of "Berengarii comiti et marchionis" dated 9 Feb 1035 names "uxorem meam Guiliam comitissam" and leaves the county of Osona to her, while she remains unmarried, and their son "Guilelmo"[303]. She married secondly Udalard [II] Vescomte de Barcelona. Her second marriage is confirmed by a charter of her son Guillem, dated 1054, in which he names himself "filius…Guislæ feminæ…comitissa…nunc est vice comitissa propter maritum quem habuit post patris mei"[304]."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; This is the same person as ”Guisla de Lluçà” at Wikipedia (Es.)³ GAV-26 EDV-26. Gisela de Lluçà was also known as Guisle d'Ampurias.²

     Arsinde (?) de Comminges married Guillaume II 'le Liberateur' de Taillefer (?) Cte d'Arles et Provence, Toulouse, son of Boson II (?) Comte d'Avignon et Arles, Cte de Provence and Constance (?) de Provence,
; his 1st wife.^1,2,3
Arsinde (?) de Comminges died between 981 and 982.⁴
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME [II] “le Libérateur”, son of BOSON Comte [d´Arles] & his wife Constantia --- ([955]-Avignon 993 after 29 Aug, bur Sarrians, église de Sainte-Croix). "Boso comes et uxor sua Constantia…illorum filii…Willelmus comes, Rotbaldus comes, Pontius juvenis" signed the charter dated May [963] under which "Gencius et uxor mea Aiburga" donated property "in pago Aquense superiore ad castrum…Ansoyse" to Monmajour[215]. The order of birth of the two older sons of Boson is unclear. The May [963] charter suggests that Guillaume was his older son. However, the name order is reversed inthe charter dated Mar 965 under which "eius filio Rothboldo et fratre eius Wilelmo comite" consented to the charter of "Bosoni comitis, filii Rothboldi quondam"[216], which suggests that Rotbald was older. Comte de Provence, charters showing that both he and his brother Rotbald were recorded as counts during the same period, although it is not known whether this was a joint countship or whether there was a geographical split between their jurisdictions. Marquis de Provence. "Vuilelmus marchius Arelatense Provintie" donated property "in comitatu Avinionense, in agro Rupiano, in loco…la Lona" to Saint-Victor, Marseille by charter dated 17 Apr 979, signed by "Arsinda comitissa"[217]. "Willelmus comes" donated property to Cluny by charter dated 28 Aug [990] signed by "Rodbaldus comes, Adalaix comitissa, Wilelmus comes et filius eius Wilelmus"[218]. "Dominus princeps et marchio istius provinciæ…Willelmus cum coniuge sua…Adelaix et filio suo…Willelmo" restored property to the abbey of Saint-Césaire d´Arles by charter dated 992, subscribed by "Domnus Rotbaldus comes…Willelmus comes filius Rotbaldi et uxor sua Lucia, Wilelmus comes Tolosanus et uxor sua Ema…"[219]. He became a monk.
     "m firstly (before Apr 970) ARSINDE, daughter of --- (-after 17 Apr 979). "Wilelmus comes Provincie et coniunx mea Arsinna" donated property to Saint-Victor de Marseille by charter dated Apr 970[220]. "Vuilelmus marchius Arelatense Provintie" donated property "in comitatu Avinionense, in agro Rupiano, in loco…la Lona" to Saint-Victor, Marseille by charter dated 17 Apr 979, signed by "Arsinda comitissa"[221]. Szabolcs de Vajay suggests that the first wife of Guillaume was the sister of Adelais, whose first testament dated 4 Oct 978 names her, basing the hypothesis on onomastics and favorable chronology[222]. Under this testament of "Adelais", she donated her foundation "Narbonam…sanctique Salvatoris" to "sororibus meis et domnæ Arsindæ comitissæ", bequeathed "mea hereditas de Vidiliano" to "Arsindi sorori meæ", "alodes de Tolomiano" to "Ermesindi", and "mea hereditas de Artimiciano" to "Garsindi"[223]. The wording suggests that "Arsindi…Ermesindi…Garsindi" were all sisters of the testator. It is probable that "domnæ Arsindæ comitissæ" in this document was the wife of Guillaume [II] Comte de Provence as no other Ctss Arsende has been identified at the time. However, the wording of the passage in which she is named suggests that she was a different person from "Arsindi sorori meæ". Szabolcs de Vajay suggests (as reported by Settipani: the Szabolcs article has not yet been consulted) that the testator was the possible daughter of Arnaud [I] Comte de Comminges. She can be identified as Adelais, widow of Matfried Vicomte de Narbonne, as the document names the couple´s two sons whose affiliation is confirmed by other primary sources. As explained more fully in the document TOULOUSE, KINGS, DUKES & COUNTS, other primary source documentation suggests that the wife of Vicomte Matfried may have been the daughter of Raymond Pons Comte de Toulouse. If this is correct, the chronology suggests that her sister would have been too old to have married Guillaume [II] Comte de Provence.
     "m secondly ([984/86]) as her fourth husband, ADELAIS [Blanche] d'Anjou, widow firstly of ETIENNE de Brioude, secondly of RAYMOND IV Comte de Toulouse, divorced wife (thirdly) of LOUIS V King of the West Franks, daughter of FOULQUES II "le Bon" Comte d’Anjou & his first wife Gerberge --- ([945/50]-1026, bur Montmajour, near Arles). Her parentage and first marriage are confirmed by the Chronicle of Saint-Pierre du Puy which names "comes Gaufridus cognomento Grisogonella…Pontius et Bertrandus eius nepotes…matre eorum Adalaide sorore ipsius"[224], the brothers Pons and Bertrand being confirmed in other sources as the sons of Etienne de Brioude, for example the charter dated 1000 under which "duo germani fratres…Pontius, alter Bertrandus" donated property to Saint-Chaffre for the souls of "patris sui Stephani matrisque nomine Alaicis"[225]. Adelais's second and third marriages are confirmed by Richer who records the marriage of Louis and "Adelaidem, Ragemundi nuper defuncti ducis Gothorum uxorem" and their coronation as king and queen of Aquitaine[226]. The Chronicon Andegavensi names "Blanchiam filiam Fulconis Boni comitis Andegavensis" as wife of the successor of "Lotharius rex Francorum", but confuses matters by stating that the couple were parents of "filiam Constantiam" wife of Robert II King of France[227]. The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence names "Blanchiam" as the wife of "Lotharius rex…Ludovicum filium" but does not give her origin[228]. She was crowned Queen of Aquitaine with her third husband on the day of their marriage. The Libro de Otiis Imperialibus names "Blanchiam" as wife of "Ludovicus puer [filius Lotharii]"[229]. Rodulfus Glaber refers to the unnamed wife of "Ludowicum" as "ab Aquitanis partibus uxorem", recounting that she tricked him into travelling to Aquitaine where "she left him and attached herself to her own family"[230]. Richer records her marriage with "Wilelmum Arelatensem" after her divorce from Louis[231]. Her fourth marriage is confirmed by the Historia Francorum which names "Blanca sorore Gaufridi comitis Andegavensis" as wife of "Guillelmi comitis Arelatensis"[232]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Blanche comitisse Arelatensis" as mother of "Constantia [uxor Robertus rex]", specifying that she was "soror Gaufridi Grisagonelli"[233]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "Blanca sorore eius" ( "eius" referring incorrectly to Foulques "Nerra" Comte d'Anjou) as wife of "Guillelmi Arelatensis comitis" and as mother of Constance, wife of Robert II King of France[234]. "Dominus princeps et marchio istius provinciæ…Willelmus cum coniuge sua…Adelaix et filio suo…Willelmo" restored property to the abbey of Saint-Césaire d´Arles by charter dated 992, subscribed by "Domnus Rotbaldus comes…Willelmus comes filius Rotbaldi et uxor sua Lucia, Wilelmus comes Tolosanus et uxor sua Ema…"[235]. "Adalaiz comitissa" donated property to Saint-Victor de Marseille by charter dated 1003[236]. This charter is subscribed by "Emma comitissa…Wilelmus comes", the second of whom was presumably the son of Adelais but the first of whom has not been identified. "Pontius…Massiliensis ecclesie pontifex" issued a charter dated 1005 with the consent of "domni Rodhbaldi comitis et domne Adalaizis comitisse, domnique Guillelmi comitis filii eius"[237]. "Adalax comitissa mater Villelmi quondam Provintie comitis et Geriberga eque comitissa…eiusdem principis olim uxor" donated property to Saint-Victor de Marseille for the soul of their late son and husband respectively by charter dated 1018[238]. No explanation has been found for her having been named Adelais in some sources and Blanche in others, as it is difficult to interpret the documentation as meaning that they refer to two separate individuals. [Adelais may have married fifthly (before Sep 1016) as his second wife, Othon Guillaume Comte de Mâcon et de Nevers [Bourgogne-Comté]. Adelais's supposed fifth marriage is deduced from the following: Count Othon-Guillaume's wife is named Adelais in several charters[239], and Pope Benedict VIII refers to "domnæ Adeleidi comitissæ cognomento Blanchæ" with "nuruique eius domnæ Gerbergæ comitissæ" when addressing her supposed fifth husband in a document dated Sep 1016[240], Gerberga presumably being Count Othon-Guillaume's daughter by his first wife who was the widow of Adelaide-Blanche d´Anjou's son by her fourth husband. However, the document in question appears not to specify that "domnæ Adeleidi…" was the wife of Othon Guillaume and the extracts seen (the full text has not yet been consulted) do not permit this conclusion to be drawn. It is perfectly possible that the Pope named Adelais-Blanche in the letter only in reference to her relationship to Othon Guillaume´s daughter. If her fifth marriage is correct, Adelais would have been considerably older than her new husband, and probably nearly sixty years old when she married (Othon-Guillaume's first wife died in [1002/04]), which seems unlikely. Another difficulty is presented by the entries dated 1018, 1024 and 1026, quoted above and below, which appear to link Adelais to Provence while, if the fifth marriage was correct, she would have been with her husband (whose death is recorded in Sep 1026) in Mâcon.] "Vuilelmus filius Rodbaldi" donated property "in comitatu Aquense in valle…Cagnanam" to Marseille Saint-Victor by charter dated 1024, signed by "Adalaiz comitissa, Vuilelmus comes filius Rodbaldi"[241]. A manuscript written by Arnoux, monk at Saint-André-lès-Avignon, records the death in 1026 of "Adalax comitissa"[242]. The necrology of Saint-Pierre de Mâcon records the death "IV Kal Jun" of "Adalasia comitissa vocata regali progenie orta"[243]. An enquiry dated 2 Jan 1215 records that "comitissa Blanca" was buried "apud Montem Majorem"[244].
Med Lands cites:

     Alice Deincourt Baroness d'Eyncourt and Grey, of Rotherfield was born between 25 February 1403 and 1404.¹ She married William III Lovel 7th Lord Lovel of Titchmarsh, 4th Lord Holand, son of Sir John VIII Lovel Knt., 6th Lord Lovel of Titchmarsh, Lord Holand and Alianor/Eleanor La Zouche, before 31 August 1422.^1,2,3,4
Alice Deincourt Baroness d'Eyncourt and Grey, of Rotherfield married Sir Ralph Boteler Knt., KG, 7th (last) Baron Sudeley, son of Sir Thomas le Boteler Knt., de jure 4th Lord Sudeley and Alice de Beauchamp, circa 8 January 1463.^1,2

Alice Deincourt Baroness d'Eyncourt and Grey, of Rotherfield died between 10 February 1473 and 1474.¹
      ; "Alice, Baroness d'Eyncourt and Grey of Rotherfield, sole heiress of her father, mother, brother, and sister. She m. William, Baron Lovel (of Tichmarsh) and Holland, chief of the male line of the illustrious house of Yvery in Normandy, named Lupellus, afterwards Lovel. In the 24th Henry VI, in consideration of his eminent services abroad to Henry V and Henry VI, and his infirmity of body, he had exemption for life from attendance in parliament, and d. 13 June, 33rd Henry VI, leaving, by the said Alice d'Eyncourt, who survived him, John, his successor, and William, who ultimately became heir-male of his said father and mother, William, Lord Lovel, and Alice, Lady d'Eyncourt, and was the ancestor of the present family of Tennyson-D
Eyncourt, of Bayons manor, co. Lincoln. Alice Lady d'Eyncourt, afterwards m. Ralph, Lord Boteler of Sudeley, who d. 13th Edward IV, and by his had one son, who d. an infant, and she d. 15th Edward IV. Her eldest son, John, became Lord Lovel and Holland, but d. before his mother, 4th Edward IV. By his wife Joane, only dau. and heiress of John, Lord Beaumont, he had a son Francis, and two daus., Joane and Frideswide. ..."⁵

     John Deincourt 5th Lord Deincourt, 12th Lord d'Eyncourt married Joane Grey, daughter of Robert de Grey Knt., 5th Lord Grey of Rotherfield and Elizabeth de la Plaunche, before 17 February 1401.^3,4

John Deincourt 5th Lord Deincourt, 12th Lord d'Eyncourt died in 1422; dsp.²
      ; "John, 12th Lord d'Eyncourt, who m. Johanna, dau. and sole heiress of Robert de Grey, 5th Baron Grey, of Rotherfield, and d. 7th Henry IV, leaving issue, William, 13th Lord d'Eyncourt, his son and heir, and two daus., Alice and Margaret ..."²

     Rotbald II/III (?) Comte de Provence married Ermengarde (?) circa 1005.^6,3,7

Rotbald II/III (?) Comte de Provence died in 1014.³
     Reference: Genealogics cites: GAV-27. Rotbald II/III (?) Comte de Provence was also known as Rotbald (?) de Venaissin, Count of Provence.⁸ Rotbald II/III (?) Comte de Provence was also known as Roubaud III (?) comte de Provence.^6,3

     Engelberge/Ingelberga (?) of Alsace/di Spoleto married Louis II "The Younger" (?) King of Italy, Emperor of the East Franks, son of Lothair I (?) King of Italy, Holy Roman Emperor, King of Bavaria and Irmgard/Ermengarde (?) Countess of Tours, Queen of Italy, in 842
; Weis (AR7, line 141B-16) says m. before 5 Oct 0851; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says m. 855.^4,2,1,5,6
Engelberge/Ingelberga (?) of Alsace/di Spoleto died circa 900.^4,3
      ; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1): “C1. [1m.] King Louis II of Italy (844-875), Emperor of East Franks (855-875), *ca 822, +Brescia 12.8.875; m.855 Engelburge of Alsace/di Spoleto (*by 855 +890)”.⁷

; Per Med Lands:
     "LOUIS "le Jeune" ([825]-near Brescia 12 Aug 875, bur Milan, San Ambrosio). Regino names "Hludowicum, Hlotharium et Carolum" as the three sons of Emperor Lothar & his wife[650]. He was sent to Italy as king in 844, crowned in Rome in 844 as LOUIS King of Italy by Pope Sergius II. After the Arab sack of Rome in 846, he led troops south to arrange better protection for the city. They started by unsuccessfully attempting to recapture Bari, but more importantly Louis was able to achieve a settlement to the civil war between Benevento and Salerno by arranging a division of territories between the two sides under the Radelgisi et Siginulfi Divisio Ducatus Beneventani signed in early 849[651]. He was crowned joint Emperor LOUIS II in Rome in Apr 850 by Pope Leo IV, ruling jointly with his father. He was sole emperor after the death of his father in 855. He claimed part of the territory inherited by his brother Lothaire, a final settlement being achieved between the three brothers at Orbe, Jura in Oct 856. He acquired Geneva, Lausanne and Sitten from his brother Lothaire in 859. After the death of his brother Charles in 863, Louis and his surviving brother Lothaire agreed a division of Charles's territories, Louis taking half of Provence and part of Transjuranian Burgundy. On the death of his brother Lothaire, their uncle Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks appropriated his territories ignoring Emperor Louis's protests[652]. From his base at Benevento King Louis began preparations to recapture Bari from the Arabs in 865. He negotiated Byzantine naval help for the project in 868/69, the agreement being confirmed by his daughter's betrothal. However, the Byzantine fleet which arrived in summer 869 departed abruptly, although the reasons for this are unclear, and the betrothal was terminated. Bari eventually fell in Feb 871 to a combined Frankish/Lombard army[653]. [Betrothed ([842/43], contract broken) to [--- of Byzantium], daughter of Emperor THEOPHILOS & his wife Theodora ---. This betrothal is referred to by Settipani[654]. According to the Continuata Constantinopolitana, the negotiations did not get as far as a formal betrothal[655].]
     "m (betrothed 851 before 5 Oct, [852]) ENGELBERGA, daughter of --- (-[896/901]). "Hludowicus…imperator augustus" names "sponsam nostram Angilbergam" in a charter dated 5 Oct [860] by which he granted Campo Miliacio in the county of Modena to her[656]. Her origins are unknown. According to some secondary sources[657], she was Engelberga, daughter of Adalgis [I] Count of Parma, Duke of Spoleto [Supponidi]. Jean-Noël Mathieu highlghts that this is supported only by Count Suppo [III] being referred to in 870 as consobrinus of the emperor´s wife[658]. The origin of Empress Engelberga is discussed briefly by Odegaard, who dismisses the proposed Supponidi connection but proposes no alternative theory[659]. Some clue is also suggested by Emperor Karl III who confirmed grants to "Angilbergam…Hludouuici…imperatori consobrini nostri coniugem augustam, dilectam sororem nostram" by charter dated 23 Mar 880[660]. In addition, Emperor Karl refers to Engelberga's daughter as "neptam nostram Hermingardam…filioque suo Hludouuico nepoti nostro et sororibus eius"[661]. Jean-Noël Mathieu suggests that these references could mean that Engelberga was the uterine half-sister of the emperor, the daughter of his mother Emma by an otherwise unknown first marriage[662]. However, this assumes that "soror" and "neptis" should be interpreted in these documents in their strictest sense, although a wide variety of meaning is attributed to the terms in contemporary sources. Another possibility is that Engelberta was related to Emperor Karl III through his wife Richardis who was the daughter of Graf Erchanger (see FRANCONIA). The different possibilities are too numerous and uncertain for further speculation about Engelberga´s parentage to be worthwhile. Engelberga´s over-bearing manner triggered her arrest and that of her husband at Benevento in Aug 871, although their release was negotiated within a month by the bishop of Benevento[663]. "Hludowicus…imperator augustus" granted the abbey of San Salvatore to "nostra coniux…Angilberga ante filiam…nostrum Hermengardem" by charter dated at Venosa 28 Apr 868[664]. Suspected of supporting the usurpation of her son-in-law King Boso, she was imprisoned in a convent in Alemannia by Charles III "le Gros" King of the East Franks, but returned to Italy with his permission in Oct 882[665]. Abbess of San Sisto at Piacenza in 896."
Med Lands cites:

; NB: Med Lands sums up a discussion of the possible ancestors by saying, "The different possibilities are too numerous and uncertain for further speculation about Engelberga´s parentage to be worthwhile." Wikipédia (Fr.), helpfully, presents graphic charts of four leading theories as to her parents, but sums up its very helpful discussion with, "Sa famille est inconnue" (Her family is unknown). I can only agree. GA Vaut.^6,8,9

; This is the same person as:
”Engelberga” at Wikipedia and as
”Engelberge (femme de Louis II)” at Wikipédia (FR).^10,8 GAV-32 EDV-32 GKJ-33.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977, Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 88.¹¹

     Rhys ap Tewdwr Prince of South Wales married Gwladys ferch Rhiwallon, daughter of Rhiwallon ap Cynfan of Powys.^2,3

Rhys ap Tewdwr Prince of South Wales died in 1093.²
     GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-25.

; Prince Deheubarth (technically Seisyllwg and Dyfed) 1153-97.⁴ He was King of Deheubarth, [Ashley, pp. 337-338] RHYS AP TEWDWR Deheubarth, 1078-93. Rhys was one of the more memorable of the later kings of Deheubarth, and the last of any significance. He claimed the rulership after the death of RHYS AB OWAIN, his second cousin. He had a good claim to the throne, being fifth in descent from Hywel DDA, but he needed to prove himself against the ever vigorous CARADOG AP GRUFFYDD, his third cousin and also fifth in descent from Hywel Dda. Caradog mustered his forces in 1081 and pressed Rhys back to the coast, until Rhys was forced to seek refuge in the church at St David's in Dyfed. Rhys combined forces with the exiled GRUFFYDD AP CYNAN of Gwynedd and the two defeated and killed Caradog at the decisive battle of Mynydd Cam. Rhys was now firmly in control of Deheubarth, and a strong ally of Gruffydd, who had likewise regained Gwynedd. Later in 1081, WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR led an expedition into southern Wales. Ostensibly a visit to the shrine of St David, William used it to free Norman prisoners isolated in various remote castles. There is little doubt that William and Rhys met and agreed a treaty whereby Rhys was allowed to rule in Deheubarth without any threat from the Normans provided he kept the peace and paid an annual tribute of forty pounds. This arrangement continued satisfactorily up to and beyond William's death in 1087.
Rhys was able to rule in relative calm and prosperity for a few years, but by 1088 conflict returned to the kingdom. In that year he was attacked by MADOG AP BLEDDYN and his brothers with such ferocity that he was forced to seek refuge in Ireland. He soon raised the help of a Danish fleet with which he returned and defeated his enemies, killing Madog and his brother Rhiryd. In 1091 Rhys's authority was again challenged, this time from within his own kingdom, when the nobility in Dyfed offered the crown to Gruffydd, the son of MAREDUDD AB OWAIN, who had been killed in 1072. Gruffydd had been in exile in England all these years and would have done well to stay there. He and his supporters met Rhys at the estuary of the river Towy, on the borders of Dyfed and Ystrad Tywi, where Rhys was the victor and Gruffydd was slain.
During these latter years the Normans, now ruled by WILLIAM II who exercised less control over them, had been battling their way along the Welsh border, making gains in Gwent and Brycheiniog. In April 1093 Rhys became involved in a skirmish with the Normans at Aberhonddu in Brycheiniog where he was killed. The exact nature of his death is uncertain and there are hints of treachery. His death, though, was a fatal blow to southern Wales. Until then William Rufus had respected Rhys's authority while the tribute had been paid. With his death, the agreement was annulled, and the Normans flooded into Morgannwg and Deheubarth. It was from this point that the independence of Wales was gravely eroded.
Rhys had married Gwladys, the daughter of Rhiwallon ap Cynfan of Gwynedd, sometime around 1080. Their son, GRUFFYDD, briefly regained rulership within Deheubarth, though only in the territory of Cantref Mawr, whilst his grandson, RHYS, formally dropped the title of king. His daughter Nesta, was known for her beauty and had many lovers. She married Gerald of Pembroke, with whom she had several children, and became the grandmother of Giraldus Cambrensis, but she was also the mistress of HENRY I by whom she had at least one son. In 1109 she was abducted by OWAIN AP CADWGAN, for which reason she became known as Helen of Wales. It is tempting to think that Nesta served as a model for Guinevere in the Arthurian stories that began to emerge in the twelfth century, as many would remember her beauty and escapades. between 1078 and 1093.³

     Gwladys ferch Rhiwallon married Rhys ap Tewdwr Prince of South Wales, son of Tewdwr Mawr ap Cadell.^2,1

     GAV-24 EDV-24.

     GAV-25 EDV-25.

.²

     Bego/Begue I (?) Comte de Paris, Marquis of Septimanie was born between 755 and 760.^9,6 He married Alpaïs/Alpaide (?) Princess of the Holy Roman Empire, daughter of Louis I "The Pious, The Fair, le Debonnaire" (?) King of Aquitaine, King of the Franks, Emperor of the West and Theodelinde (?) de Sens, circa 806
;
Possibly his 2nd wife wife.^{10,1,11,12,6,13,14}
Bego/Begue I (?) Comte de Paris, Marquis of Septimanie died on 28 October 816 at France (now).^15,3,6,13
      ; Per Wikipedia (Fr.): "selon Maurice Chaume et selon Michael Mitterauer, une fille Engeltrude qui épouse Unroch I., cte en Alémanie et duc du Frioul.¹⁶"



; Per Genealogics: "Bego was born about 755/760, the second son of Gerhard I, count of Paris, from his marriage with Rotrud. Until 811 Bego was count of Toulouse and margrave _(marchio)_ of Septimania. When his elder brother Etienne of Paris died in 811, Bego succeeded him and remained count of Paris until his death. After a first marriage with an unknown lady, about 806 he married Alpais de France, an illegitimate daughter of Emperor Louis I 'the Pious', son of Charlemagne. In his last years he was one of the confidants of the emperor, having already been in Louis' entourage when he was king of Aquitaine. From his marriage to Alpais, Bego had two sons, Leuthard and Eberhard, and a daughter Susanna whom some sources attribute to his first wife. Only Susanna is recorded with progeny, marrying Wulfhard between 825 and 830. Bego is remembered mainly because he had the monastery of Saint-Maur-des-Fossés in Paris restored by Benedict of Aniane. Bego died on 28 October 816. After his death Alpais became abbess of the convent of St. Pierre de Rheims, which she had been given by her father, Emperor Louis."⁶



; Per Wikipedia:
     "Beggo (died 28 October 816) was the son of Gerard I of Paris. He was appointed Count of Toulouse, Duke of Septimania, Duke of Aquitaine, and Margrave of the Hispanic March in 806 and followed his father as Count of Paris in 815.
     "In 806, William of Gellone abdicated and Charlemagne appointed Beggo to take his place in Toulouse and the March of Gothia. He did not succeed his father in Paris, but was later placed in the comital office there, but did not live long after that.
     "He married Alpais or Alpheidis. Their children were:
* Leuthard II, who later ruled Paris
* Eberhard
* Landrade
* Susanna, whose son was Adalhard, eighth Count of Paris
* Engeltrude, whose son was Eberhard of Friuli.¹¹



; Per Wikipedia (Fr.):
     "Bégon de Paris (v. 755/760-28 octobre 816) comte de Paris, comte de Toulouse et marquis de Septimanie (Maison des Girardides).
Biographie
     "Bégon1 est le fils du comte Gérard Ier de Paris. Il a pour frères les comtes Étienne de Paris (v.754 - † 811/815) et Leuthard Ier de Paris († vers 813), et pour sœur Ava (Aba) de Morvois v 778- † 8 novembre 839.[réf. nécessaire]
     "Vers 806, il épouse Alpaïs2(793/794 - † 23 juillet 852 ou après), fille de l'empereur Louis le Pieux ou, plus vraisemblablement, fille illégitime de Charlemagne et de l'une de ses nombreuses concubines. Il a les enfants suivants :
     ** Le futur comte Leuthard II de Paris
** Eberhard
** selon Maurice Chaume et selon Michael Mitterauer, une fille Engeltrude qui épouse Unroch I., cte en Alémanie et duc du Frioul
** probablement Landrade, qui épouse le comte Donat Ier de Melun (v.790 - † ap.858/av.871)3, et ont comme enfants4 :
** Suzanne qui épouse le comte Vulfard de Flavigny avec lequel elle a pour enfants :
     "Il est nommé chambrier du roi Louis d'Aquitaine (et futur empereur d'Occident 814-840, fils de Charlemagne).
     "À partir de 806, il devient comte de Toulouse et marquis de Septimanie dont il contrôle la marche en remplacement de Guillaume de Gellone.
     "En 815, il succède à son frère Étienne de Paris au titre de comte de Paris et contribue à la prospérité de l'abbaye Saint-Pierre-du-Fossé.
     "Il meurt le 28 octobre 816. Son frère Leuthard Ier de Paris lui succède comme comte de Paris.
Notes et références
1. Le comte Bégon de Paris sur le site de la Fondation pour la généalogie médiévale [archive]
2. Paternité d'Alpais ? Sur le site Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [archive]
3. Bulletin de la Société historique et archéologique de Corbeil, d'Étampes et du Hurepoix - De Société historique et archéologique de Corbeil, d'Étampes et du Hurepoix - Publié par ( ?), 1904 : « On peut conclure d’un tel acte que Donat était le très proche parent de Bégon – plus probablement son gendre, car la femme de Donat portait le nom de Landrée (Landrade), comme une sœur de Charles Martel, fille de Pépin de Héristal et d’une autre Alpaïde. »
4. La Province du Maine - Par Société des archives historiques du Maine, Société des archives historiques du Cogner
Voir aussi
Bibliographie complémentaire
** Annick Miro, « Deux comtes au service de Louis le Pieux : Bégon (806–816) et Bérenger (816–835), semper fideles », Le Moyen Âge, vol. CXX, no 2,? 2014, p. 377-417 (lire en ligne [archive]).
Articles connexes
** Histoire de Paris: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_de_Paris
** Maison des Girardides: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girardides
** Comté de Paris - Liste des comtes de Paris: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Paris
** Comté de Toulouse - Liste des comtes de Toulouse: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Toulouse."¹⁶



; Per Med Lands:
     "BEGO (-28 Oct 816). Depoin suggests that Bego was the son of Gérard Comte de Paris[109]. He appears to assume this on the basis of the hereditary nature of the county of Paris, although it is far from clear that Carolingian counties in France at the time were routinely transmitted to family members by inheritance. Comte. King Charles I authorised “comes...Bego” to dispose of property at Bry [sur-Marne] by charter dated 23 Apr 789, reference to which exists only in a copy made by Baluze[110]. [Marquis de Septimanie]: Bego governed the county of Toulouse as "marchio" for Septimania from 806. “Bigo...comes” donated property to “presbitero...Crisogonio” at the monastery of Alaon by charter dated to [806/14][111]. He was chambrier, equivalent to viceroy, for Louis King of Aquitaine (son of Emperor Charlemagne)[112]. Comte de Paris [815], succeeding comte Stephanus. He founded the abbey of Saint-Maur-des-Fossés near Paris. Emperor Louis I granted immunities to Saint-Maur-des-Fossés at the request of “Bego fidelius noster” and “Begoni...comitis” by two charters dated 20 Jun 816[113]. The Annales Hildesheimenses record the death of "Bicgo de amici regis" in 815 (which date must be incorrect)[114]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "V Kal Nov" of "Begoni comitis"[115].
     "[m firstly ---. There is no proof of this possible first marriage of Bego. However, as noted below, if his wife Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, there would have been a considerable age difference between her and Bego, which suggests the possibility of an earlier marriage.]
     "m [secondly] ([806]) ALPAIS, illegitimate daughter of [Emperor LOUIS I & his mistress ---] ([793/94]-23 Jul 852 or after, bur [Reims]). Flodoard refers to "Ludowicus Alpheidi filie sue uxori Begonis comitis"[116]. The Annales Hildesheimenses name "filiam imperatoris…Elpheid" as the wife of "Bicgo de amici regis" when recording the death of her husband[117]. Settipani discusses the debate about the paternity of Alpais, preferring the theory that Emperor Charles I was her father[118]. If Emperor Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before [793/94], given his known birth date in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had [three] children by her husband before his death in 816. However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the ages of these children when their father died. The question of her paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the probable daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of his estimated birth date. After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in [817]. She was still there 29 May 852.
     "Bego & his [second] wife had three children:
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977, Rösch, Siegfried, 87.⁶ He was Chamberlain of Louis of Aquitaine.¹⁷ GAV-31 EDV-34 GKJ-34.

     Gérard I (?) Comte de Paris was born in 740 at France (now).^2,4 He married Rotrude (?) d'Austrasia, daughter of Carloman/Karloman (?) Maiordomus in Austrasia and Unknown (?), before 760
; According to their Find A Grave memorials, their olfes child listed, Begue (Bego) was born in 760.^{5,1,6,7,4,8,9}
Gérard I (?) Comte de Paris died before 27 March 779 at City of Paris, Île-de-France, France (now).^10,2,8
Gérard I (?) Comte de Paris was buried before 27 March 779 at Saint Arnoul Royal Abbey, Metz, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     740, France
     DEATH     779 (aged 38–39), City of Paris, Île-de-France, France
     Count of Paris. Gerard I of Paris. Gerard I of Paris (d. 779) was a count of Paris. He was the founder of the House of Girardids. Biography. According to various sources, he married a certain Rotrude who may have been a daughter of Carloman, son of Charles Martel. Wikipedia
     Parents:
* Geraud de Limoges
* Rotilde de Brosse
     Family Members
     Spouse
      Rotrou d'Austrasia unknown–772
     Children
      Begue de Paris 760–816
      Leuthard de Paris 765–813
      Ava de Morvois de Tours 769–839
     BURIAL     Saint Arnoul Royal Abbey, Metz, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 25 May 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 146957010.²
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 75.¹

; This is the same person as ”Gerard I of Paris” at Wikipedia and as ”Gérard Ier de Paris” at Wikipédia (FR).


This is also the same person as ”Gaerhardus pr?mus d? P?r?s?i, Gérard Ier de Paris” at Royaume Europe.^10,3,9


; Per Wikipedia (Fr.):
     "Gérard Ier de Paris1 est un comte de Paris, mort en 779. Il est le fondateur de la Maison des Girardides.
Biographie
     "Selon diverses sources, il aurait épousé Rotrude, une fille de Carloman, fils de Charles Martel. De cette union sont nés :
     "Son fils Étienne de Paris lui succède au titre de comte de Paris.
Voir aussi
** Histoire de Paris
** Empire carolingien - Maison des Girardides
** Comté de Paris - Liste des comtes de Paris
Notes et références
1. Gérard de Paris sur le site de la Fondation pour la généalogie médiévale [archive]
2. « Généalogie du Comté de Paris » [archive], sur Royaume Europe, 28 octobre 2018 (consulté le 28 mai 2019.)³"
GAV-32 EDV-35 GKJ-35.

; Per Med Lands:
     "GERARD [I] (-[before 27 Mar 779]). "Pippinus maior domus" donated property to the abbey of St Denis by charter dated 11 Feb 747, which names "fidelibus nostris…Haginone, Theudeberto, Remedio, Gerehardo, Fulgario, Bovilone, Walcherio, Rauchingo et Ermenaldo comite palatii nostro"[49]. "Pippinus rex Francorum" confirmed a donation to Fulrad Abbot of Saint-Denis by charter dated 1 Mar 752 which names "fidelibus nostris…Milone, Rotgario, Cheimgaudo, Crothardo, Gerichardo, Autgario et Wiberto comite palatii nostri"[50]. Comte de Paris. The charter dated 8 Jul 753, under which King Pepin confirmed properties of Saint-Denis, refers to “Carlus” being expelled [from Saint-Denis] “per Soanahylde cupiditate et Gairefredo Parisius comite insidiante”[51]. "Pippinus rex Francorum" confirmed a donation to the abbey of Saint-Denis by "Gerardum comitem" by charter dated 30 Oct 759[52]. "Pippinus rex Francorum" donated property to found Kloster Prüm by charter dated 13 Aug 762 which names "coniux mea Bertrada…genitor suus Heribertus" and was subscribed by (first column) "Droconi comitis, Warini comitis, Baugulfi comitis, Troanie comitis, Herloini comitis, Rachulfi comitis" and (second column) "Chrodardi comitis, Welenti comitis, Gerhardi comitis, Waltarii comitis, Gunberti comitis, Warini comitis"[53]. "Carolus…rex Francorum et Langobardorum" granted the monastery of Plaisir to Folrad abbot of Saint-Denis by charter dated 28 Jul 775 which name "fidelibus…Ghaerardo, Bernardo, Radulfo, Hilderado, Ermenaldo, Hebroino, Theudbaldo, Agneone comitibus, Haltberto, Laumberto, Haererico et Anselmo comite palatio nostro"[54]. A charter dated 27 Mar 779, under which King Karl I confirmed rights of Saint-Germain des Prés, refers to rights of "Gaerhardus comes" in “Villanoua”[55]. It is not clear from the text of this document whether Gérard was alive or deceased at the time.
     "m ROTRUD, daughter of ---. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "III Non Dec" of "Hrottrudis coniugis Gerehardi"[56]."
Med Lands cites: He was Count of Paris between 743 and 755.⁵

     Rotrude (?) d'Austrasia married Gérard I (?) Comte de Paris before 760
; According to their Find A Grave memorials, their olfes child listed, Begue (Bego) was born in 760.^{1,5,2,6,7,8,9}
Rotrude (?) d'Austrasia was buried in 772 at Saint Arnoul Royal Abbey, Metz, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, France
     DEATH     772, City of Paris, Île-de-France, France
     Princess of Austrasia
     Family Members
     Parents
          Carloman I 751–771
          Alard d'Austrasia
     Spouse
          Gérard I de Paris 740–779
     Children
          Begue de Paris 760–816
          Leuthard de Paris 765–813
          Ava de Morvois de Tours 769–839
     BURIAL     Saint Arnoul Royal Abbey, Metz, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 25 May 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 146956276.⁶
Rotrude (?) d'Austrasia died in 772 at Paris, City of Paris, Île-de-France, France (now).⁶
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GERARD [I] (-[before 27 Mar 779]). "Pippinus maior domus" donated property to the abbey of St Denis by charter dated 11 Feb 747, which names "fidelibus nostris…Haginone, Theudeberto, Remedio, Gerehardo, Fulgario, Bovilone, Walcherio, Rauchingo et Ermenaldo comite palatii nostro"[49]. "Pippinus rex Francorum" confirmed a donation to Fulrad Abbot of Saint-Denis by charter dated 1 Mar 752 which names "fidelibus nostris…Milone, Rotgario, Cheimgaudo, Crothardo, Gerichardo, Autgario et Wiberto comite palatii nostri"[50]. Comte de Paris. The charter dated 8 Jul 753, under which King Pepin confirmed properties of Saint-Denis, refers to “Carlus” being expelled [from Saint-Denis] “per Soanahylde cupiditate et Gairefredo Parisius comite insidiante”[51]. "Pippinus rex Francorum" confirmed a donation to the abbey of Saint-Denis by "Gerardum comitem" by charter dated 30 Oct 759[52]. "Pippinus rex Francorum" donated property to found Kloster Prüm by charter dated 13 Aug 762 which names "coniux mea Bertrada…genitor suus Heribertus" and was subscribed by (first column) "Droconi comitis, Warini comitis, Baugulfi comitis, Troanie comitis, Herloini comitis, Rachulfi comitis" and (second column) "Chrodardi comitis, Welenti comitis, Gerhardi comitis, Waltarii comitis, Gunberti comitis, Warini comitis"[53]. "Carolus…rex Francorum et Langobardorum" granted the monastery of Plaisir to Folrad abbot of Saint-Denis by charter dated 28 Jul 775 which name "fidelibus…Ghaerardo, Bernardo, Radulfo, Hilderado, Ermenaldo, Hebroino, Theudbaldo, Agneone comitibus, Haltberto, Laumberto, Haererico et Anselmo comite palatio nostro"[54]. A charter dated 27 Mar 779, under which King Karl I confirmed rights of Saint-Germain des Prés, refers to rights of "Gaerhardus comes" in “Villanoua”[55]. It is not clear from the text of this document whether Gérard was alive or deceased at the time.
     "m ROTRUD, daughter of ---. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "III Non Dec" of "Hrottrudis coniugis Gerehardi"[56]."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 75.² GAV-32 EDV-35 GKJ-35. Rotrude (?) d'Austrasia was also known as Rotrou (?) d'Austrasia.³

     Carloman/Karloman (?) Maiordomus in Austrasia married Unknown (?), daughter of Alard (?).^3,2
Carloman/Karloman (?) Maiordomus in Austrasia was born circa 715; Genealogy.EU says b. ca 715; Med Lands says b. 705/710.^5,4
Carloman/Karloman (?) Maiordomus in Austrasia died between 4 December 754 and 17 August 755 at Montecasino; Weis says d. 754; Genealogics says d. 17 Aug 755; Genealogics.EU says d. 4 Dec 754/17 Aug 755; Med Lands says d. 4 Dec 754.^3,5,2,4
     GAV-33.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 2.²

; This is the same person as ”Carloman (mayor of the palace)” at Wikipedia and as ”Carloman (fils de Charles Martel)” at Wikipédia (FR).^9,10

; Per Weis: “Carloman, by (1), Mayor of the Palace, d. 754; m. prob. a dau. of Alard, brother of Garnier, ancestor of the Margraves of Spoleto.”.³

; Per Med Lands:
     "CARLOMAN ([705/10]-4 Dec 754, bur Vienne ). Einhard names "Karlomannum…et Pippinum atque Grifonem" as the three sons of "Karlus maior domus" when recording the latter's death[207]. The Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis names (in order) "Pipinum, Karlomannum, Griphonem et Bernardum" sons of "Karolus senior…ex regina"[208]. "Karlomanni filii eius" subscribed the charter dated 1 Jan 722 under which "Karolus maiorum domus filius Pippini quondam" donated property "castrum…Fethna sitam in pago Nifterlaco" to the monastery "infra muros Traiecto castro"[209]. He succeeded his father as maior domus, jointly with his brother Pépin. Einhard records that their stepmother incited her son Grifo to rebel against them, during the course of which Carloman imprisoned Grifo "in Novo-castello...juxta Arduennam", adding that it was said that Grifo remained imprisoned there until Carloman left for Rome (dated to late 747, see below)[210]. In the division of territories agreed with his brother, Carloman governed Austrasia, Alemannia, Thuringia and northern Alsace. The brothers were faced with revolts in Frisia, Bavaria, Alemannia and Aquitaine. As a symbolic assertion of their authority, they nominated Childeric III as [Merovingian] king in 743. Einhard records that "Karlomannus" was in Saxony at "castrum Hohseoburg" and there accepted the surrender of "Theodericum Saxonem illius loci primarium" in 743[211]. "Childerichus rex Francorum" with "Karolomanno maiores domus, rectori palatio nostro" confirmed donations to the monastery of Stablo and Malmedy by charter dated Jul 744[212]. In 745, Carloman's brother Pépin appropriated the province of Alemannia for himself. Carloman reasserted his authority with an expedition against the Alemans in 746, massacring the leaders who had betrayed him to his brother. This triggered the defection of his other supporters, and Carloman relinquished power. The Chronicon Sancti Medardi Suessionensis records that “Carlomannus frater Pippini junioris” became a monk in 745 and that “Pippinus junior parvus frater eius” obtained the whole of “Principatum Francorum”[213]. The Royal Frankish Annals record that, after 15 Aug 747, he left for Rome, where he built the monastery of St Sylvester on Monte Soracte before moving to the monastery of St Benedict at Monte Cassino where he became a monk[214]. He returned to France in 753 to oppose the request by Pope Stephen III (II) for Frankish help against the Lombards[215]. The Annales Moselleni record the death in 754 of "Karlamannus"[216].
     "m ---. The name of Carloman's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 2): “D2. Karloman, Maiordomus in Austrasia (741-747), *ca 715, +Vienne 4.12.754/17.8.755; m.Alard N”.¹ He was Mayor (Maiordomus) of the Palace of Austrasia between 741 and 747.¹¹

     Unknown (?) married Carloman/Karloman (?) Maiordomus in Austrasia, son of Charles Martel "the Hammer" (?) King of the Franks and Chrotrud/Rotrou/Rotrude (?) of Austrasia.^2,3

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "CARLOMAN ([705/10]-4 Dec 754, bur Vienne ). Einhard names "Karlomannum…et Pippinum atque Grifonem" as the three sons of "Karlus maior domus" when recording the latter's death[207]. The Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis names (in order) "Pipinum, Karlomannum, Griphonem et Bernardum" sons of "Karolus senior…ex regina"[208]. "Karlomanni filii eius" subscribed the charter dated 1 Jan 722 under which "Karolus maiorum domus filius Pippini quondam" donated property "castrum…Fethna sitam in pago Nifterlaco" to the monastery "infra muros Traiecto castro"[209]. He succeeded his father as maior domus, jointly with his brother Pépin. Einhard records that their stepmother incited her son Grifo to rebel against them, during the course of which Carloman imprisoned Grifo "in Novo-castello...juxta Arduennam", adding that it was said that Grifo remained imprisoned there until Carloman left for Rome (dated to late 747, see below)[210]. In the division of territories agreed with his brother, Carloman governed Austrasia, Alemannia, Thuringia and northern Alsace. The brothers were faced with revolts in Frisia, Bavaria, Alemannia and Aquitaine. As a symbolic assertion of their authority, they nominated Childeric III as [Merovingian] king in 743. Einhard records that "Karlomannus" was in Saxony at "castrum Hohseoburg" and there accepted the surrender of "Theodericum Saxonem illius loci primarium" in 743[211]. "Childerichus rex Francorum" with "Karolomanno maiores domus, rectori palatio nostro" confirmed donations to the monastery of Stablo and Malmedy by charter dated Jul 744[212]. In 745, Carloman's brother Pépin appropriated the province of Alemannia for himself. Carloman reasserted his authority with an expedition against the Alemans in 746, massacring the leaders who had betrayed him to his brother. This triggered the defection of his other supporters, and Carloman relinquished power. The Chronicon Sancti Medardi Suessionensis records that “Carlomannus frater Pippini junioris” became a monk in 745 and that “Pippinus junior parvus frater eius” obtained the whole of “Principatum Francorum”[213]. The Royal Frankish Annals record that, after 15 Aug 747, he left for Rome, where he built the monastery of St Sylvester on Monte Soracte before moving to the monastery of St Benedict at Monte Cassino where he became a monk[214]. He returned to France in 753 to oppose the request by Pope Stephen III (II) for Frankish help against the Lombards[215]. The Annales Moselleni record the death in 754 of "Karlamannus"[216].
     "m ---. The name of Carloman's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 2): “D2. Karloman, Maiordomus in Austrasia (741-747), *ca 715, +Vienne 4.12.754/17.8.755; m.Alard N”.⁵

; Per Weis: “Carloman, by (1), Mayor of the Palace, d. 754; m. prob. a dau. of Alard, brother of Garnier, ancestor of the Margraves of Spoleto.”.² GAV-33.

     Alard (?) was born circa 670.⁴
     GAV-36 EDV-37 GKJ-37.

; Weis AR 191-12.¹

     Ternois di Friuli married Gebhard (?) Count of Logenahe.^1,2
Ternois di Friuli was born in 825.²
      ; Per Wikipedai: (as daughter of Unruoch of Friuli and Engeltrude) "Ternois of Friuli, a daughter (b. 825), who married Count Gebhard Nieder-Lahngau."²

; Weis [AR7] 192-16.¹

     Gebhard (?) Count of Logenahe married Ternois di Friuli, daughter of Unruoch di Friuli Count of Ternois and Engletrude (?) de Paris.^1,2
Gebhard (?) Count of Logenahe was born circa 835.³
Gebhard (?) Count of Logenahe died after 879.³
     Gebhard (?) Count of Logenahe was also known as Gebhard (?) Count in the Nieder-Lahngau.^3,2 He was Count of Logenahe between 832 and 860.¹

     Eudes (?) Count of Logenahe married Unknown (?), daughter of Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania,
; "m. (prob.) a dau. of Conrad I of Burgundy.¹
     Eudes (?) Count of Logenahe was Count of Logenahe between 861 and 879.¹

     Unknown (?) married Eudes (?) Count of Logenahe, son of Gebhard (?) Count of Logenahe and Ternois di Friuli,
; "m. (prob.) a dau. of Conrad I of Burgundy.¹
      .¹

     Conrad "The Old" (?) Count of Logenahe married Glismode (?) of Worms, daughter of Walahon (?) Count of Worms and Uta (?).¹

Conrad "The Old" (?) Count of Logenahe died in 906.¹
     He was Count of Logenahe.¹
; NB:
     The ancestry of Werner, Count of Worms and progrenitor of the Salian dynasty, is now considered to be unknown/uncertain. My original information was based on Weis 7th ed. [1992]. Now I have seen that while Weis 7th ed. [1992] showed Werner, Count of Worms (#19) as the son of Conrad the Old, Count of Logenahe; Weis 8th ed. [2004] has revised line to show no father for Werner.
     Genealogics shows Werner as the son of Werner IV.
     Genealogy.EU (Salian Family) shows Werner (IV), the son of a series of Warners back to Warner I.
     Med Lands shows no ancestors for Werner.
     Wikipedia says that Werner was Werner V and "presumably" the son of Werner IV. Wikiepdia (DE) discusses three (not musutually exclusive theories regarding the parents of Werner V, including he likelihood that he was the son of Werner IV (also known as Walaho IV).
Conclusion: I have removed the link that I earlier had between Werner and Conrad 'the Old' and now show his father as Werner/Walaho IV. GA Vaut.^{3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10}

     Glismode (?) of Worms married Conrad "The Old" (?) Count of Logenahe, son of Eudes (?) Count of Logenahe and Unknown (?).¹

Glismode (?) of Worms died in 924.¹
      ; "...Glismode of Worms, d. 924, dau. of Uta and Walahon, Count of Worms, dranddau. of Meingaud, Count of Worms 862-881, and great granddau. of Witichin, Count of Soisson 835-844."¹

     Walahon (?) Count of Worms married Uta (?)¹

      .¹

     Uta (?) married Walahon (?) Count of Worms.¹

     Werner IV (?) Graf im Speyergau was born between 840 and 875; Genealogics says b. ca 899; Genealogy.EU says b. 810/75.^8,2
Werner IV (?) Graf im Speyergau died between 917 and 919; Genealogics says d. 935; Genealogy.EU says d. 917/919; Med Lands says d. 920.^8,2,4 He married Hicha (?) von Schwaben, daughter of Burkhard II (?) Duke of Swabia and Reginlinde (?) of Nellenburg.^9,2

     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band I, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. 4.²

; This is the same person as ”Werner V (Salian)” at Wikipedia and as ”Werner (Salier)” at Wikipedia (DE).^4,3

; Per Genealogy.EU (Salian): “Werner IV, *ca 870/875, +917/919; he had a son:Konrad "der Rote'”.⁵

; Per Genealogics:
     “Werner was born about 899, the son and heir of Werner IV, Graf im Speyergau. His mother may have been a sister of Konrad I, the emperor-elect. He is the first definite progenitor of the Salian dynasty of German kings.
     “Werner married Hicha von Schwaben, daughter of Burchard II, Herzog von Schwaben, and his wife Regilinde. Their only son Konrad 'the Red', duke of Lorraine, would have progeny. Werner died about 935.”.²

; NB:
     The ancestry of Werner, Count of Worms and progrenitor of the Salian dynasty, is now considered to be unknown/uncertain. My original information was based on Weis 7th ed. [1992]. Now I have seen that while Weis 7th ed. [1992] showed Werner, Count of Worms (#19) as the son of Conrad the Old, Count of Logenahe; Weis 8th ed. [2004] has revised line to show no father for Werner.
     Genealogics shows Werner as the son of Werner IV.
     Genealogy.EU (Salian Family) shows Werner (IV), the son of a series of Warners back to Warner I.
     Med Lands shows no ancestors for Werner.
     Wikipedia says that Werner was Werner V and "presumably" the son of Werner IV. Wikiepdia (DE) discusses three (not musutually exclusive theories regarding the parents of Werner V, including he likelihood that he was the son of Werner IV (also known as Walaho IV).
Conclusion: I have removed the link that I earlier had between Werner and Conrad 'the Old' and now show his father as Werner/Walaho IV. GA Vaut.^{10,11,5,12,4,3,6,2} GAV-32.

; Per Med Lands:
     "WERNER, son of --- (-[920]). Graf im Speyergau 906: "Hludouuicus…rex" gave property "in pago Spirahgovuue in comitatu Uuerenherii in loco Titinesheim…quicquid Mahtfrid in villa…tenuit" to the bishopric of Worms by charter dated 4 Nov 906[350].
     "m ---. The name of Werner's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

     Konrad "der Rote" (?) Duke of Lotharingia, Graf im Nahegau, Graf im Niddagau was born circa 922.⁶ He married Luitgarde (?) von Sachsen, daughter of Otto I "the Great" (?) Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and Eadgyth (Edith) (?) of Wessex, in 947.^{3,10,1,6,4,11,12}

Konrad "der Rote" (?) Duke of Lotharingia, Graf im Nahegau, Graf im Niddagau died on 10 August 955 at Battle of Lechfeld; killed in battle; Weis [AR7] line 192-20 says d. 955; Genealogy.EU (Salian page) says d. 953; Leo van de Pas says died 10 Aug 955.^3,1,6,4
Konrad "der Rote" (?) Duke of Lotharingia, Graf im Nahegau, Graf im Niddagau was buried after 10 August 955 at Cathedral of St Peter, Worms, Stadtkreis Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     922
     DEATH     10 Aug 955 (aged 32–33), Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
     He was the son of Werner of Speyergau, Count of Worms and Cunigunde, a sister of Conrad of Franconia, King of Germany.
     Conrad was the husband of Luitgarde, daughter of Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor and Eadgyth, daughter of Edward the Elder, King of England. They married in 947 and had one son, Otto of Worms. By this son, Otto, Conrad would become the great-grandfather of Conrad II, Holy Roman Emperor.
     He succeeded his father as Count in the Nahegau, Speyergau, and Wormsgau at his father's death in 941, then procureda additional territory, the Niddagau. Hhe was also invested with Lotharingia by the Holy Roman Emperor, Otto I about 944. In 953, Conrad joined his brother-in-law, Liudolf, Duke of Swabia, in rebellion against Otto I, angry about Conrad's ingratitude. The rebellion was stopped, Otto took Lotharingia from Conrad and granted it to his own brother, Bruno I, Archbishop of Cologne.
     Eventually Conrad and Otto were reconciled, and 955, Conrad was killed in the battle of Lechfeld while fighting alongside Otto against the Magyars.
     According to the chronicler Widukind of Corvey: "Duke Conrad, the foremost of all in combat, suffering from battle fatigue caused by an unusually hot sun, loosened the straps of his armor to catch his breath when an arrow pierced his throat and killed him instantly." Conrad's body was carried in state to Worms, where he was given a lavish funeral and buried at the cathedral there.
     By his son, Otto, Conrad was the great-grandfather of Conrad II, Holy Roman Emperor.
     Family Members
     Spouse
          Liutgard of Saxony 931–953
     BURIAL     Cathedral of St Peter, Worms, Stadtkreis Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
     Maintained by: Anne Shurtleff Stevens
     Originally Created by: Jerry Ferren
     Added: 14 Feb 2012
     Find a Grave Memorial 84970310.¹³
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 3.⁶ GAV-31.

; Per Genealogics:
     “Konrad was born about 922, the son of Werner, Graf im Speyergau. In 941 he succeeded his father in his counties and obtained an additional territory, the Niddagau. In 944 or 945 he was also invested with Lorraine by Otto I 'the Great', king of the Germans, the future Holy Roman Emperor.
     “In 947 he married Liudgard von Sachsen, daughter of Otto I 'the Great' and his first wife Eadgyth of Wessex, daughter of Edward 'the Elder', king of England. He and Liudgard had a son Otto, later duke of Carinthia and Graf im Wormsgau, who would have progeny.
     “In 953 Konrad joined his brother-in-law Liudolf, duke of Swabia, in rebellion against Otto, who bitterly complained about Konrad's ingratitude. The rebellion was quashed and Konrad was deprived of Lorraine, which was granted to Otto's brother Bruno, archbishop of Cologne. Eventually Konrad and Otto were reconciled.
     “In 954 Konrad participated in a successful campaign against the Ukrani of the Uckerland. On 10 August 955 he was killed in the Battle of Lechfeld while fighting alongside Otto against the Magyars. According to the chronicler Widukind of Corvey: 'Duke Konrad, the foremost of all in combat, suffering from battle fatigue caused by an unusually hot sun, loosened the straps of his armour to catch his breath when an arrow pierced his throat and killed him instantly.'
     “Konrad's body was carried in state to Worms, where he was given a lavish funeral and buried at Worms Cathedral by his son Otto. Konrad was the great-grandfather of Konrad II, Holy Roman Emperor.”.⁶

; This is the same person as:
”Conrad, Duke of Lorraine” at Wikipedia and as
”Conrad le Roux” at Wikipédia (Fr.),
and as ”Konrad der Rote” at Wikipedia (De.)^14,15,16 He was Duke of Lorraine.¹⁷ Konrad "der Rote" (?) Duke of Lotharingia, Graf im Nahegau, Graf im Niddagau was also known as Conrad "the Wise", "the Red" (?) Duke of Lorraine & Franconia.^18,1

; Per Med Lands:
     "KONRAD "der Rote/Rufus" (-killed in battle Lechfeld 10 Aug 955, bur Worms Cathedral[351]). Regino records the succession in 943 of "Chuonradus filius Werinheri" as duke after the death of "Otto dux"[352]. It is assumed that "Werinheri" was the same person as Werner who is named in the 906 charter cited above, but this is not beyond doubt. He was installed as KONRAD Duke of Lotharingia in [945]. Widukind records that "Conrado" was installed as Duke of Lotharingia after the deaths of "Oddone, Lothariorum præside, ac regis nepote Heinrico"[353]. "Otto…rex" donated property to Kloster St Petrus Gorze at the request of "Cuonradi Lodariensis ducis" by charter dated 13 Jul 945[354]. Graf im Nahegau: "Otto…rex" donated property "in forasto…Lutara…in pago Nahgouue…in comitatu Cuonradi" to "fideli nostro Franco" at the request of "ducis…Cuonradi" by charter dated 17 Dec 945[355]. "Chuonradus dux Wernharii comitis filius" donated property to the church of Speyer by charter dated 13 Mar 946[356]. Graf im Niddagau: "Otto…rex" granted property "in pago Nitehgouue in comitatu Cuonradi ducis" to "nostro villico Vuetti" at the request of "Cuonardi nostri…comitis" by charter dated 14 Feb 947[357]. "Otto…rex" granted property to the church of Cambrai at the request of "germani nostri Brunonis et Cuonradi ducis atque Herimanni ducis" by charter dated 30 Apr 948[358]. "Otto…rex" confirmed the possession of Abtei Süsteren by Kloster Prüm by charter dated 1 Jun 949, signed by "Cuonradus dux, Herimannus dux, Hezzo comes, Godefridus comes, Rudolfus comes, Reginherus comes"[359]. "Otto…rex" granted property confiscated from "Hatto Aladramque fratres…in villis Bechi et Auici situm in pago Ganipi in comitatu Arnulfi" to the church of St Florin, Koblenz at the request of "ducis nostri Cuonradi eius coniugis filiæ nostræ Liutgartæ" by charter dated 22 Nov 949[360]. He rebelled against his father-in-law, together with his brother-in-law Liudolf Duke of Swabia, but was ultimately forgiven, although deposed in 953 as Duke of Lotharingia. He was killed fighting the Magyars near Augsburg[361]. The necrology of Fulda records the death "955 Id Aug" of "Cuonrat dux"[362]. The necrology of Lüneburg records the death "10 Aug" of "Conradus dux"[363]. The necrology of St Gall records the death "IV Id Aug" of "Perchtoldi comitis et Chuonradi ducis et Uodalrici ac Thietpoldi comitum aliorumque multorem ab Ungaris occisorum"[364]. "Chuonradus…Romanorum imperator augustus" donated property to the church of Worms naming "filii nostri Heinrici Regis, filie quoque nostre Beatricis" for the souls of "parentum nostrorum defunctorum atavi nostri ducis Chuonradi, avie nostre Iudithe, patris nostri Heinrici, patrui nostri ducis Chuonradi eiusque coniugis Mathildis, sororis etiam nostre Iudithe", all buried at Worms Cathedral, by charter dated 30 Jan 1034[365].
     "m ([947]) LIUTGARD of Saxony, daughter of OTTO I "dem Großen" King of Germany & his first wife Eadgyth of Wessex ([931]-18 Nov 953, bur St Alban near Mainz). Regino records that in 947 "Chuonradus dux…Liutgardam filiam regis in matrimonium sumpsit"[366]. "Liudolfo et Liutgarde" are named as the two children of King Otto I and his wife Eadgyth[367]. Widukind records that "Conrado" Duke of Lotharingia married "unicam filiam [regis]"[368]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Salian Family): “Konrad "der Rote", Duke of Upper-Lorraine (943-953), +953; m.947 Luitgarde of Germany (+953)”


Per Genealogy.EU (Liudolfing): “D6. Liutgarde, +953; m.947 Konrad "der Rote", Duke of Upper-Lorraine (+953)”.^19,20

; Per Med Lands:
     "LIUTGARD ([931]-18 Nov 953, bur St Alban, near Mainz). The Annales Quedlingburgenes name "Liudolfo et Liutgarde" as the two children of King Otto I and Eadgyth[273]. Widukind records her marriage to "Conrado"[274]. According to Thietmar, Liutgard was accused by "a certain Cono" of adultery but her name was cleared after Graf Burkhard fought her accuser in combat in her name[275]. "Otto…rex" granted property confiscated from "Hatto Aladramque fratres…in villis Bechi et Auici situm in pago Ganipi in comitatu Arnulfi" to the church of St Florin, Koblenz at the request of "ducis nostri Cuonradi eius coniugis filiæ nostræ Liutgartæ" by charter dated 22 Nov 949[276]. Regino records the death of "Liutgarda filia regis" in 953[277]. The necrology of Merseburg records the death "18 Nov" of "Liudgard filia imperatoris Ottonis"[278]. Thietmar records her burial in "the church of…Alban at Mainz"[279].
     "m ([947]) KONRAD "der Rote" Graf in Franconia Duke of Lotharingia [Salian], son of WERNER Graf im Nahe-, Speyer- und Wormsgau & his wife --- [Konradiner] (-killed in battle Lechfeld 10 Aug 955, bur Worms Cathedral[280]). "Conradus dux" is named as husband of Liutgard when recording their marriage in 949[281]. He rebelled against his father-in-law, together with his brother-in-law Liudolf Duke of Swabia, but was ultimately forgiven although deposed as Duke of Lotharingia. Thietmar records that Duke Konrad, son-in-law of Emperor Otto I, was killed fighting the Magyars near Augsburg and that he was buried at Worms[282]."
Med Lands cites: He was Duke of Lotharingia between 945 and 953.⁴