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     Eudes des Barres seigneur du Plessis-Brunet was born circa 1180.¹ He married Héloïse de Sens in 1202.¹

Eudes des Barres seigneur du Plessis-Brunet died in 1232.¹

     Héloïse de Sens was born in 1185.¹ She married Eudes des Barres seigneur du Plessis-Brunet, son of Guillaume I "L'Achille de son temps" des Barres seigneur d’Oissery et Forfry et de La Ferté-Alais, comte de Rochefort and Hélissende de Chaumont vicomtesse de Sens, dame de Chaumont-sur-Yonne, Quenne, Augy et Chitry, in 1202.¹

Héloïse de Sens died in 1253.¹

     Pierre des Barres seigneur de Chaumont-sur-Yonne was born circa 1205.¹ He married Alix de Saint-Vérain in 1255.¹

Pierre des Barres seigneur de Chaumont-sur-Yonne died in 1261.¹

     Alix de Saint-Vérain married Pierre des Barres seigneur de Chaumont-sur-Yonne, son of Eudes des Barres seigneur du Plessis-Brunet and Héloïse de Sens, in 1255.¹

Alix de Saint-Vérain died in 1285.¹

     Guillaume III des Barres comte de Châlons, seigneur d’Oissery et de La Ferté-Alais was born between 1185 and 1190.¹ He married Béatrix/Beatrice de Châlons Comtesse de Châlons, daughter of Guillaume II/IV de Châlons Comte de Châlons and Béatrix (?) de Souabe, before 1200
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Her 2nd husband; His 1st wife. Racines et Histoire says m. by 1200.^3,4,5,6,2 Guillaume III des Barres comte de Châlons, seigneur d’Oissery et de La Ferté-Alais married Héloïse Britaud de Nangis vicomtesse de Provins before July 1248
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His 2nd wife.^2,4
Guillaume III des Barres comte de Châlons, seigneur d’Oissery et de La Ferté-Alais died on 15 November 1249 at Nicosia, Cyprus.^4,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "BEATRIX (-Tournus 7 Apr 1227, bur Abbaye de la Ferté-sur-Grosne). The necrology of Saint-Vincent confirms that Guillaume's successor was his daughter when it records the death "III Non Jan" of "W Cabilonensis comes", adding "et pro filia sua comitissa"[553]. Her first marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1227 under which "Simon de Joinville, comme mari de Béatrix, fille d'Etienne comte d'Auxonne et de Béatrix comtesse de Chalon" swore homage to the duke of Burgundy for the château de Marnay[554]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not been identified. She succeeded her father in 1203 as Ctss de Chalon. “Beatrix cometissa Cabilonensis” made an agreement with the abbey of Autun Saint-Martin relating to “mansis in territorio de Chenovis” by charter dated Aug 1226[555]. The necrology of Saint-Vincent records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Beatrix nobilis comitissa Cabilonensis"[556]. The necrology of Maizières records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Beatricis comitisse Cabilonensis"[557].
     "m firstly ([1186], divorced [1197/1199]) as his first wife, ETIENNE [III] Comte d'Auxonne, son of ETIENNE [II] Comte d'Auxonne [Bourgogne-Comté] & his wife Judith de Lorraine (before Oct 1172-Marnay 16 Mar 1241).
     "m secondly (before 1200) as his first wife, GUILLAUME [III] des Barres Seigneur d'Oissery, de Saint-Pathus et de Silly, son of GUILLAUME [II] des Barres Comte de Rochefort Seigneur d’Oissery et de la Ferté-Alais[558] & his wife Amice of Leicester (-Nicosia 15 Nov [1249])."
Med Lands cites:

; Crusader "Albideouis."¹

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 433.³ Guillaume III des Barres comte de Châlons, seigneur d’Oissery et de La Ferté-Alais was also known as Eudes des Barres.⁵

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME [III] des Barres, son of GUILLAUME [II] des Barres Comte de Rochefort Seigneur d’Oissery et de la Ferté-Alais[593] & his wife Amice of Leicester (-Nicosia 15 Nov [1249]). The Historia Albigensium of Pierre de Vaux-Cernay records that "miles juvenis et frater comitis nostri ex parte matris…Guillelmus de Barris" was present at the siege of "castrum Murelli", dated to 1212 from the context[594]. "Dominus Guido…de Gallandia" donated property to Meaux Saint-Faron, with the consent of "dominæ Agnetis uxoris meæ et filiorum meorum", by charter dated Aug 1220, witnessed by "Dominus Guillelmus juvenis de Barris et dominus Johannes de Gallandia fratres mei"[595]. "Guillelmus de Barris" donated property to Fontaines, with the consent of "Helewidis uxoris meæ, Johannis et Guillelmi filiorum meorum", by charter dated Jul 1248[596].
     "m firstly (before 1200) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Chalon, divorced wife of ETIENNE [III] Comte d'Auxonne, daughter and heiress of GUILLAUME [II] [de Thiern] Comte de Chalon-sur-Saône & his wife --- (-Tournus 7 Apr 1227, bur Abbaye de la Ferté-sur-Grosne). Her first marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1227 under which "Simon de Joinville, comme mari de Béatrix, fille d'Etienne comte d'Auxonne et de Béatrix comtesse de Chalon" swore homage to the duke of Burgundy for the château de Marnay[597]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not been identified. She succeeded her father in 1203 as Ctss de Chalon. “Beatrix cometissa Cabilonensis” made an agreement with the abbey of Autun Saint-Martin relating to “mansis in territorio de Chenovis” by charter dated Aug 1226[598]. The necrology of Saint-Vincent records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Beatrix nobilis comitissa Cabilonensis"[599]. The necrology of Maizières records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Beatricis comitisse Cabilonensis"[600].
     "m secondly (before Jul 1248) HELOISE Britaud Vicomtesse de Provins, daughter of HENRI Britaud Seigneur de Nangis & his wife ---. “Johannes Bertaudi miles” confirmed that “Guillelmus dominus de Barris et Heloydis eius uxor, soror præfati Johannis” had sold “vicecomitatus Pruvinensis” to Thibaut IV Comte de Champagne by charter dated Jul 1248[601]. "Guillelmus de Barris" donated property to Fontaines, with the consent of "Helewidis uxoris meæ, Johannis et Guillelmi filiorum meorum", by charter dated Jul 1248[602]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. The necrology of Chambre-Fontaine includes the listing "8 Aug" of "Johannis de Barris militis, domini de Oysseriaco et Helvidis matris eius et Petronillæ et Isabellis uxorum eius" and their donations "in territorio de Oysseriaco" dated 1262[603]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Des Barres): “Guillaume III des Barres «Le Jeune» ° ~1185/90 + 13, 15 ou 16/11/1249 (Nicosie, Chypre, épidémie) chevalier, comte de Chalon (-sur-Saône, 71, environ entre 1200 et 1228, ce titre échéant ensuite ~1228 à Jean de Chalon «L’Antique», issu du premier mariage de Béatrix), seigneur d’Oissery, Forfry, Silly, Ognes, Villegenard, Saint-Pathus et La Ferté-Alais (en partie), croisé en Albigeois, X Muret (12/09/1213), X en Angleterre (fait prisonnier à Lincoln le 24/08/1217) gagé à 40 £ pour la campagne de Bretagne (Antrain, 23/07/1231), sert contre le comte de Champagne (08/06/1236), chevalier de l’hôtel du Roi (dès 1239), croisé (1245/48, embarque à Aigues-Mortes) (demi-frère de Simon IV de Montfort) (témoin en 07/1215 au mariage de Philippe de France, fils de Louis VIII et d’Agnès de Nevers, dame de Donzy ; cité dans une charte de l’Evêque d’Auxerre de 01/1219 ; témoin d’une charte de donation de Gui de Garlande à Saint-Faron de Meaux datée de 08/1220 ; donation au Monastère de Longpont en 1227 ; donation à Fontaines en 07/1248 avec sa femme Helvide (Helewidis) ; vend dès le 24/10/1238 son fief de Vèvre à Hugues, duc de Bourgogne ; vend en 07/1248 sa vicomté de Provins à Thibaud, comte de Champagne) (son contre-sceau porte un château à trois tours accosté de 2 fleurs de lys)
     ép. 1) dès 1200 (sép. 1205) Béatrix de Chalon (alias de Thiern), comtesse de Chalon-Arlay (1203, succède à son père) ° 1174 + 07/04/1227 (Tournus ; inh. à l’Abbaye de La Ferté-sur-Grosne, 77) (fille de Guillaume II de Thiern, comte de Chalon, et de Béatrix de Souabe ; séparée en ~1199 d’Etienne III de Bourgogne-comté, + 16/03/1241 (Marmay) comte de Bourgogne et de Traves, comte d’Auxonne (21) > d’où Béatrix d’Auxonne, épouse de Simon de Joinville dès 1227)
     ép. 2) avant 07/1248 Helvide (Héloïse, Helewidis) Britaud de Nangis, vicomtesse de Provins (77) ° ~1200 + entre 10/1260 & 04/1261 (fille de Pierre (alias Henri), seigneur Châtelain de Nangis, et d’Ermengarde de Boutigny) (encore citée dans une donation de son fils Jean en 1262) (armes : «De gueules, au sautoir d’or») ”.⁴

; Per Med Lands:
     "HELOISE Britaud . Vicomtesse de Provins. “Johannes Bertaudi miles” confirmed that “Guillelmus dominus de Barris et Heloydis eius uxor, soror præfati Johannis” had sold “vicecomitatus Pruvinensis” to Thibaut IV Comte de Champagne by charter dated Jul 1248[241]. "Guillelmus de Barris" donated property to Fontaines, with the consent of "Helewidis uxoris meæ, Johannis et Guillelmi filiorum meorum", by charter dated Jul 1248[242]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The necrology of Chambre-Fontaine includes the listing "8 Aug" of "Johannis de Barris militis, domini de Oysseriaco et Helvidis matris eius et Petronillæ et Isabellis uxorum eius" and their donations "in territorio de Oysseriaco" dated 1262[243].
     "m as his second wife, GUILLAUME [III] des Barres, son of GUILLAUME [II] des Barres Comte de Rochefort Seigneur d’Oissery et de la Ferté-Alais[244] & his wife Amice of Leicester (-Nicosia 15 Nov [1249])."
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     Béatrix (?) de Souabe married Guillaume II/IV de Châlons Comte de Châlons, son of Guillaume II de Châlons Comte de Châlons.¹

     Héloïse Britaud de Nangis vicomtesse de Provins was born circa 1200.³ She married Guillaume III des Barres comte de Châlons, seigneur d’Oissery et de La Ferté-Alais, son of Guillaume/William II des Barres seigneur d’Oissery, Forfry, Saint-Pathus, Silly, Ognes, Gondreville, et La Ferté-Alais and Amice de Beaumont Countess of Leicester, before July 1248
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His 2nd wife.^4,2
     ; Per Racines et Histoire (Des Barres): “Guillaume III des Barres «Le Jeune» ° ~1185/90 + 13, 15 ou 16/11/1249 (Nicosie, Chypre, épidémie) chevalier, comte de Chalon (-sur-Saône, 71, environ entre 1200 et 1228, ce titre échéant ensuite ~1228 à Jean de Chalon «L’Antique», issu du premier mariage de Béatrix), seigneur d’Oissery, Forfry, Silly, Ognes, Villegenard, Saint-Pathus et La Ferté-Alais (en partie), croisé en Albigeois, X Muret (12/09/1213), X en Angleterre (fait prisonnier à Lincoln le 24/08/1217) gagé à 40 £ pour la campagne de Bretagne (Antrain, 23/07/1231), sert contre le comte de Champagne (08/06/1236), chevalier de l’hôtel du Roi (dès 1239), croisé (1245/48, embarque à Aigues-Mortes) (demi-frère de Simon IV de Montfort) (témoin en 07/1215 au mariage de Philippe de France, fils de Louis VIII et d’Agnès de Nevers, dame de Donzy ; cité dans une charte de l’Evêque d’Auxerre de 01/1219 ; témoin d’une charte de donation de Gui de Garlande à Saint-Faron de Meaux datée de 08/1220 ; donation au Monastère de Longpont en 1227 ; donation à Fontaines en 07/1248 avec sa femme Helvide (Helewidis) ; vend dès le 24/10/1238 son fief de Vèvre à Hugues, duc de Bourgogne ; vend en 07/1248 sa vicomté de Provins à Thibaud, comte de Champagne) (son contre-sceau porte un château à trois tours accosté de 2 fleurs de lys)
     ép. 1) dès 1200 (sép. 1205) Béatrix de Chalon (alias de Thiern), comtesse de Chalon-Arlay (1203, succède à son père) ° 1174 + 07/04/1227 (Tournus ; inh. à l’Abbaye de La Ferté-sur-Grosne, 77) (fille de Guillaume II de Thiern, comte de Chalon, et de Béatrix de Souabe ; séparée en ~1199 d’Etienne III de Bourgogne-comté, + 16/03/1241 (Marmay) comte de Bourgogne et de Traves, comte d’Auxonne (21) > d’où Béatrix d’Auxonne, épouse de Simon de Joinville dès 1227)
     ép. 2) avant 07/1248 Helvide (Héloïse, Helewidis) Britaud de Nangis, vicomtesse de Provins (77) ° ~1200 + entre 10/1260 & 04/1261 (fille de Pierre (alias Henri), seigneur Châtelain de Nangis, et d’Ermengarde de Boutigny) (encore citée dans une donation de son fils Jean en 1262) (armes : «De gueules, au sautoir d’or») ”.²
; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME [III] des Barres, son of GUILLAUME [II] des Barres Comte de Rochefort Seigneur d’Oissery et de la Ferté-Alais[593] & his wife Amice of Leicester (-Nicosia 15 Nov [1249]). The Historia Albigensium of Pierre de Vaux-Cernay records that "miles juvenis et frater comitis nostri ex parte matris…Guillelmus de Barris" was present at the siege of "castrum Murelli", dated to 1212 from the context[594]. "Dominus Guido…de Gallandia" donated property to Meaux Saint-Faron, with the consent of "dominæ Agnetis uxoris meæ et filiorum meorum", by charter dated Aug 1220, witnessed by "Dominus Guillelmus juvenis de Barris et dominus Johannes de Gallandia fratres mei"[595]. "Guillelmus de Barris" donated property to Fontaines, with the consent of "Helewidis uxoris meæ, Johannis et Guillelmi filiorum meorum", by charter dated Jul 1248[596].
     "m firstly (before 1200) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Chalon, divorced wife of ETIENNE [III] Comte d'Auxonne, daughter and heiress of GUILLAUME [II] [de Thiern] Comte de Chalon-sur-Saône & his wife --- (-Tournus 7 Apr 1227, bur Abbaye de la Ferté-sur-Grosne). Her first marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1227 under which "Simon de Joinville, comme mari de Béatrix, fille d'Etienne comte d'Auxonne et de Béatrix comtesse de Chalon" swore homage to the duke of Burgundy for the château de Marnay[597]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not been identified. She succeeded her father in 1203 as Ctss de Chalon. “Beatrix cometissa Cabilonensis” made an agreement with the abbey of Autun Saint-Martin relating to “mansis in territorio de Chenovis” by charter dated Aug 1226[598]. The necrology of Saint-Vincent records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Beatrix nobilis comitissa Cabilonensis"[599]. The necrology of Maizières records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Beatricis comitisse Cabilonensis"[600].
     "m secondly (before Jul 1248) HELOISE Britaud Vicomtesse de Provins, daughter of HENRI Britaud Seigneur de Nangis & his wife ---. “Johannes Bertaudi miles” confirmed that “Guillelmus dominus de Barris et Heloydis eius uxor, soror præfati Johannis” had sold “vicecomitatus Pruvinensis” to Thibaut IV Comte de Champagne by charter dated Jul 1248[601]. "Guillelmus de Barris" donated property to Fontaines, with the consent of "Helewidis uxoris meæ, Johannis et Guillelmi filiorum meorum", by charter dated Jul 1248[602]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. The necrology of Chambre-Fontaine includes the listing "8 Aug" of "Johannis de Barris militis, domini de Oysseriaco et Helvidis matris eius et Petronillæ et Isabellis uxorum eius" and their donations "in territorio de Oysseriaco" dated 1262[603]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "HELOISE Britaud . Vicomtesse de Provins. “Johannes Bertaudi miles” confirmed that “Guillelmus dominus de Barris et Heloydis eius uxor, soror præfati Johannis” had sold “vicecomitatus Pruvinensis” to Thibaut IV Comte de Champagne by charter dated Jul 1248[241]. "Guillelmus de Barris" donated property to Fontaines, with the consent of "Helewidis uxoris meæ, Johannis et Guillelmi filiorum meorum", by charter dated Jul 1248[242]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The necrology of Chambre-Fontaine includes the listing "8 Aug" of "Johannis de Barris militis, domini de Oysseriaco et Helvidis matris eius et Petronillæ et Isabellis uxorum eius" and their donations "in territorio de Oysseriaco" dated 1262[243].
     "m as his second wife, GUILLAUME [III] des Barres, son of GUILLAUME [II] des Barres Comte de Rochefort Seigneur d’Oissery et de la Ferté-Alais[244] & his wife Amice of Leicester (-Nicosia 15 Nov [1249])."
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     Dalmace (?) de Brioude married Geoffroi I (Arlebaud) de Semur baron de Semur-en-Brionnais, son of Jocerand "Bers" de Semur seigneur de Semur-en-Brionnais and Ricoaire (Richoara) (?).¹

     GAV-29.

     Jocerand "Bers" de Semur seigneur de Semur-en-Brionnais married Ricoaire (Richoara) (?)¹

Jocerand "Bers" de Semur seigneur de Semur-en-Brionnais died between 993 and 994.¹
     GAV-30. He was seigneur de Semur-en-Brionnais circa 925.¹

     Ricoaire (Richoara) (?) married Jocerand "Bers" de Semur seigneur de Semur-en-Brionnais, son of Froilan (?) de Chamilly, seigneur de Semur-en-Brionnais.¹

     GAV-30.

     GAV-28.

     Etienne (?) vicomte de Thiers married Blanche (alias Ermengarde) de Donzy, daughter of Geoffroi II de Semur baron de Semur-en-Brionnais and Mahaut/Mathilde de Châlons Dame de Donzy.¹
Etienne (?) vicomte de Thiers was born circa 985.¹

     Adélaïde (ou Mathilde ?) de Vergy married Geoffroi I de Donzy baron de Donzy, seigneur de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher, son of Geoffroi II de Semur baron de Semur-en-Brionnais and Mahaut/Mathilde de Châlons Dame de Donzy.¹
Adélaïde (ou Mathilde ?) de Vergy was born circa 968.¹
Adélaïde (ou Mathilde ?) de Vergy died circa 1017.¹
     GAV-28.

     Geoffroi I de Donzy baron de Donzy, seigneur de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher married Adélaïde (ou Mathilde ?) de Vergy, daughter of Gérard de Vergy comte en Bourgogne and Elisabeth de Châlons.¹
Geoffroi I de Donzy baron de Donzy, seigneur de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher was born circa 987.¹
Geoffroi I de Donzy baron de Donzy, seigneur de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher died in 1037; per Racines et Histoire: "exéc., Loches ou Amboise ? sur ordre du comte d’Anjou."¹
     GAV-28.

     Geoffroi II de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, co-comte de Châlons was born circa 1040.¹
Geoffroi II de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, co-comte de Châlons died after 1097.¹
     GAV-26.

; Crusader.¹

     Helvide (?) de Soissons married Hugues le Blanc de La Ferté-Milon seigneur de La Ferté-Milon, Braines et Vivières.¹

     GAV-26.

     Garne de Toucy married Geoffroi III de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher et de Cosne,comte de Gien, son of Hervé II de Donzy seigneur de Donzy et Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher, comte de Châlons and Mahaut Le Blanc de La Ferté-Milon.¹
Garne de Toucy was born circa 1112.¹
Garne de Toucy died in 1151.¹
     EDV-26.

     Hugues Le Manceau (?) married Béatrice de Toucy.¹

     Béatrice de Toucy married Hugues Le Manceau (?)¹

     EDV-27.

     Suanehildis (?) married Emmo von Looz Graf von Looz, son of Giselbert von Looz Graf von Looz and Luitgarde (?) de Namur.¹

Suanehildis (?) died on 31 March 1100.¹
     ; NB There is uncertainty concerning the wife of Emmo and the mother of Emmo's children.
     Genealogy.EU (Looz 1) and Genealogics call her Irmingard of Hoorne.
     Med Lands and Wikipedia say she was (or probably was) Suanehildis, possibly a dau. of Dirk III.
I have chosen to show both marriages, but to show Suanehildis as the mother of Emmo's children. G A Vaut.^3,1,4,5,6,7



; Per Med Lands:
     "EMMO [Immo], son of [GISELBERT Comte de Looz] & his wife [Liutgarde de Namur] (-17 Jan 1078). The Vita Arnulfi names "Emmonem et Ottonem fratrem eius" as sons of Liutgarde, daughter of Albert [I] Comte de Namur[790]. From a chronological point of view, it is not possible for Emmo and his brother to have been the children of Otto de Looz who, as stated above, is recorded in another source as the husband of Liutgarde de Namur. No primary source has been identified which confirms that Emmo and Otto were the sons of Comte Giselbert, although this suggested parentage would fit the chronology of the family. Comte de Looz. “...Ottonis advocati et fratris eius Emmonis comitis de Los, Alberti comitis de Musal...” signed the charter dated 1059 under which “Fredericus...Lothariencium dux” donated a serf to Saint-Trond[791]. The necrology of Liège Saint-Lambert records the death "XVII Kal Feb" of "Emononis comitis"[792].
     "m ---. The identity of the wife of Comte Emmo has not been established beyond doubt. The Annalista Saxo names "Bertrada, soror Suanehildis comitisse de castro quod dicitur Lon in Hasbania, cuius filius fuit Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" as wife of Graf Dietrich (identified as Dietrich I Graf von Katlenburg)[793]. As noted in the document HOLLAND, no primary source has been identified which indicates that Bertrada was the daughter of Dirk III Count of Holland. Nevertheless, from a chronological point of view Count Dirk is the most likely father, assuming that Bertrada was a member of that family. "Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" in this passage must be identified as Arnaud [I] Comte de Looz, who is recorded as the son of Emmo Comte de Looz. If that is correct, the wife of Emmo was Suanehildis of Holland, daughter of Dirk III "Hierosolymita" Count of Holland & his wife Othelindis [von Haldensleben] (-31 Mar [1100]). From a chronological point of view, the suggestion is feasible: the birth of the children of Count Dirk III must be dated to [1010/35], while Comte Emmo´s children were probably born in [1040/60]. The necrology of Liège Saint-Jacques points to this being the correct solution when it records the death 31 Mar of “Spannehildis comitissima de Los” and her donation[794]. Verdonk indicates that she died in 1100 on a pilgrimage to Rome[795]. [The Vita Andreæ, first abbot of Averboden, in the Chronicle written by Nicolas Hogeland Abbot of Middelburg, records that "comitis Arnoldi Lossensis" descended "ex parte matris" from "Cliviæ comitibus"[796], which would be inconsistent with this hypothesis but, as pointed out below, Klaversma notes that this source is a 17th century forgery and is therefore unreliable[797].] The dubious late-18th century Recueil généalogique de familles originaires des Pays-Bas indicates that Comte Emmo married “Ermingarde, fille héritière de Conrard sire de Hornes et de Machtilde de Juliers, laquelle fit de belles donations à St. Barthelemi de[ Liège et à notre Dame de Hui”[798]. No primary source is cited to confirm this statement and no reliable reference has been found to any such early family of Heren van Horne (see the document DUTCH NOBILITY). Possibly the statement is linked to the 17th century forgery which suggests that Horne was inherited by Emmo’s son Thierry, as noted below. The reference to the “donations à St. Barthelemi de Liège” suggests that this person was identified as "Ermengardis comitissa" whose donation is dated 1078[799], and presumably also as "Ermengardis" who made similar donations to the churches of Sainte-Marie et Saint-Lambert de Liège by charter dated 5 Feb 1078[800]. No primary source has been found which links Ermengarde to Looz while Daris, in his mid-19th century Histoire de Looz, indicated that the idea had no foundation[801]. It is suggested elsewhere in the present document that the donor in question was the widow of Gozelon Comte de Montaigu.]"
Med Lands cites: GAV-28.

; Per Med Lands:
     " [SUANEHILDIS (-31 Mar [1100]). The Annalista Saxo names "Bertrada, soror Suanehildis comitisse de castro quod dicitur Lon in Hasbania, cuius filius fuit Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" as wife of Graf Dietrich (identified as Dietrich I Graf von Katlenburg)[370]. As noted above, no primary source has been identified which indicates that Bertrada was the daughter of Dirk III Count of Holland. Nevertheless, from a chronological point of view Count Dirk is the most likely father, assuming that Bertrada was a member of this family. "Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" in this passage must be identified as Arnaud [I] Comte de Looz, who is recorded as the son of Emmo Comte de Looz. If that is correct, Suanehildis was the wife of Emmo. From a chronological point of view, the suggestion is feasible: the birth of the children of Count Dirk III must be dated to [1010/35], while Comte Emmo´s children were probably born in [1040/60]. The necrology of Liège Saint-Jacques points to this being the correct solution when it records the death 31 Mar of “Spannehildis comitissima de Los” and her donation[371]. Verdonk indicates that she died in 1100 on a pilgrimage to Rome[372]. [The Vita Andreæ, first abbot of Averboden, in the Chronicle written by Nicolas Hogeland Abbot of Middelburg, records that "comitis Arnoldi Lossensis" descended "ex parte matris" from "Cliviæ comitibus"[373], which would be inconsistent with this hypothesis but, as pointed out below, Klaversma notes that this source is a 17th century forgery and is therefore unreliable[374].] m EMMO Comte de Looz [Immo], son of [GISELBERT Comte de Looz] & his wife [Liutgarde de Namur] (-17 Jan 1078]).] "
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     Ermessende de Donzy dame d’Ouchy married Anseau II (?) seigneur de Trainel, son of Anseau I de Trainel Sire de Trainel and Hélissent de Montmirail dame d’Esternay),
;
His 1st wife.¹ Ermessende de Donzy dame d’Ouchy was born circa 1135.¹
Ermessende de Donzy dame d’Ouchy died in 1175.¹

     Béatrix (?) married Etienne I de Blois Comte de Sancerre, son of Thibaud (Theobald) IV «Le Grand» ou « Le Vieux» de Blois comte de Blois, Chartres, Meaux et Troyes, comte de Champagne and Mathilde (Maud) (?) von Sponheim, of Carinthia, circa 1176
; his 2nd wife.¹

     Agénor (?) married Etienne I de Blois Comte de Sancerre, son of Thibaud (Theobald) IV «Le Grand» ou « Le Vieux» de Blois comte de Blois, Chartres, Meaux et Troyes, comte de Champagne and Mathilde (Maud) (?) von Sponheim, of Carinthia, circa 1187
; his 3rd wife.¹

     Guillaume «Gouët» de Donzy baron de Donzy was born circa 1170.¹
Guillaume «Gouët» de Donzy baron de Donzy died in 1191 at Acre, HaTzafon (Northern District), Palestine (Israel now).¹

     Philippe de Donzy seigneur de Donzy married Alix de Cours-Les-Barres.¹

Philippe de Donzy seigneur de Donzy died in 1194.¹

      ; religieux à La Charité.¹