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     Elisabeth (?) married Gaucher (?) Sire de Montmirail, son of Dalmace (?) and Agnes (?).^2,3,4

     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 139.²

; Per Med Lands:
     "GAUCHER de la Ferté-Gaucher (-before 1177). Seigneur de la Ferté-Gaucher. Henri Comte de Troyes confirmed that “Andreas dominus de Feritate Gaucherii” had confirmed donations to Molesme made by his predecessor “bone memorie Gaucherius quondam dominus de Feritate Gaucherii...Helias filius eius” (for the soul of “uxoris sue Elizabeth”) and donated property himself for the soul of “uxoris sue Holdeardis” by charter dated [24 Apr 1177/9 Apr 1178][174].
     "m ELISABETH, daughter of ---. Henri Comte de Troyes confirmed that “Andreas dominus de Feritate Gaucherii” had confirmed donations to Molesme made by his predecessor “bone memorie Gaucherius quondam dominus de Feritate Gaucherii...Helias filius eius” (for the soul of “uxoris sue Elizabeth”) and donated property himself for the soul of “uxoris sue Holdeardis” by charter dated [24 Apr 1177/9 Apr 1178][175]."
Med Lands cites: Elisabeth (?) was living in 1128.²

     Gaucher (?) Sire de Montmirail married Elisabeth (?)^5,3,6

Gaucher (?) Sire de Montmirail died before 1177.⁶
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 139.³ Gaucher (?) Sire de Montmirail was also known as Gaucher de la Ferté-Gaucher Seigneur de la Ferté-Gaucher.⁶

; Per Med Lands:
     "GAUCHER de la Ferté-Gaucher (-before 1177). Seigneur de la Ferté-Gaucher. Henri Comte de Troyes confirmed that “Andreas dominus de Feritate Gaucherii” had confirmed donations to Molesme made by his predecessor “bone memorie Gaucherius quondam dominus de Feritate Gaucherii...Helias filius eius” (for the soul of “uxoris sue Elizabeth”) and donated property himself for the soul of “uxoris sue Holdeardis” by charter dated [24 Apr 1177/9 Apr 1178][174].
     "m ELISABETH, daughter of ---. Henri Comte de Troyes confirmed that “Andreas dominus de Feritate Gaucherii” had confirmed donations to Molesme made by his predecessor “bone memorie Gaucherius quondam dominus de Feritate Gaucherii...Helias filius eius” (for the soul of “uxoris sue Elizabeth”) and donated property himself for the soul of “uxoris sue Holdeardis” by charter dated [24 Apr 1177/9 Apr 1178][175]."
Med Lands cites: He was living in 1112.³

     Agnes (?) married Dalmace (?)^1,2

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 139.¹

     Dalmace (?) married Agnes (?)^2,3

Dalmace (?) died after 1061.¹
      .

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 139.³ He was living in 1061.³

     Adelaide de Mareuil Dame de Bussy-Lettree married Hélie de Montmirail Vicomte de la Ferte-Gaucher, son of Gaucher (?) Sire de Montmirail and Elisabeth (?),
;
Her 1st husband.^1,4,5,6 Adelaide de Mareuil Dame de Bussy-Lettree married Anseric I de Montréal Seigneur de Montréal, son of Hugues de Chacenay seigneur de Montréal and Helvide de Baudément, circa 1145
;
Her 2nd husband.^7,4
Adelaide de Mareuil Dame de Bussy-Lettree died after 1170.⁴
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "HELIE de Montmirail (-before 1145). “Gaucherio de Basoches, Helia de Montmirail, Guidone de Dampierre...” witnessed the undated charter (dated to [1140]) under which "miles...Robertus de Courtenont" donated "medietatem decimæ de Fresne" to Meaux Saint-Pharon with consent given by “Gaucherio de Castellione de cuius feodo res ipsa erat cum uxore sua Ada”[1131].
     "m as her first husband, ADELAIS de Pleurs, daughter of [JEAN Vicomte de Mareuil/MANASSES de Pleurs] & his wife --- de Ramerupt (-after 1170). There is some doubt about Adelais’s parentage. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis specifies that one daughter (unnamed, mentioned second) of "Andreas comes de Rameruth" married "Iohannes vicecomes de Maruel" by whom she had "Manassem de Plaierris et sororem eius, quam duxit Helyas de Monte-Mirail, de qua nati sunt Galcherus et Andreas et Hugo Prorulliensis abbas; defuncto vero Helia, nupsit domino de Monte-regali, cui peperit liberos"[1132]. However, the charter dated to [1150] quoted below indicates that her father was Manassès (assuming that “socer” can be translated in its strict sense of father-in-law). She married secondly (1145 or before) Anséric [I] Seigneur de Montréal. The date of her second marriage is set by the charter dated 1145 under which [her husband] "Ansericus de Monteregio" donated property to Pontigny, with the support of “--- uxor eiusdem Anserici”[1133]. The charter dated to [1150], under which “Ansericus Montisregii dominus” recorded an agreement between the monks of Pontigny and “dominum Manasserium socerum meum” relating to “prato...supra Marsegni” which the latter had claimed[1134], suggests that the Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis may be inaccurate in recording the name of Anséric’s father-in-law, assuming that “socer” can be translated in its strict sense. "...Ansericus dominus Montisregalis et uxor eius Adelaidis..." at the donation of land near “boscum domini Montisregalis” to Reigny abbey made by “Ivo de Avalone...”[1135]. "Ansericus de Monteregali…Ansericus filius eius…Johannes minor frater eiusdem et eorum mater Aalidis, Heluis filia eius" attested the donation to Reigny by "Ivo de Avalone" by charter dated 1164[1136]. “Ansericus dominus Montisregalis” recorded an agreement with Reigny abbey, with the consent of “Aalaydis uxor mea et Ansericus et Johannes filii mei et Sibilla predicti Anserici filii mei uxor”, by charter dated 1170[1137]. "Ansericus de Monteregali" donated property to the church of Notre-Dame de Montréal, for the soul of "Alaydis uxoris meæ" and with the consent of "Ansericus et Johannes filii mei et Sybilla predicti Anserici uxor", by charter dated 1170[1138]."
Med Lands cites: EDV-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 139.⁸

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELAIS de Pleurs (-after 1170). There is some doubt about Adelais’s parentage. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis specifies that one daughter (unnamed, mentioned second) of "Andreas comes de Rameruth" married "Iohannes vicecomes de Maruel" by whom she had "Manassem de Plaierris et sororem eius, quam duxit Helyas de Monte-Mirail, de qua nati sunt Galcherus et Andreas et Hugo Prorulliensis abbas; defuncto vero Helia, nupsit domino de Monte-regali, cui peperit liberos"[541]. However, the charter dated to [1150] quoted below indicates that her father was Manassès (assuming that “socer” can be translated in its strict sense of father-in-law). The date of her second marriage is set by the charter dated 1145 under which [her husband] "Ansericus de Monteregio" donated property to Pontigny, with the support of “--- uxor eiusdem Anserici”[542]. The charter dated to [1150], under which “Ansericus Montisregii dominus” recorded an agreement between the monks of Pontigny and “dominum Manasserium socerum meum” relating to “prato...supra Marsegni” which the latter had claimed[543]. "...Ansericus dominus Montisregalis et uxor eius Adelaidis..." at the donation of land near “boscum domini Montisregalis” to Reigny abbey made by “Ivo de Avalone...”[544]. "Ansericus de Monteregali…Ansericus filius eius…Johannes minor frater eiusdem et eorum mater Aalidis, Heluis filia eius" attested the donation to Reigny by "Ivo de Avalone" by charter dated 1164[545]. “Ansericus dominus Montisregalis” recorded an agreement with Reigny abbey, with the consent of “Aalaydis uxor mea et Ansericus et Johannes filii mei et Sibilla predicti Anserici filii mei uxor”, by charter dated 1170[546]. "Ansericus de Monteregali" donated property to the church of Notre-Dame de Montréal, for the soul of "Alaydis uxoris meæ" and with the consent of "Ansericus et Johannes filii mei et Sybilla predicti Anserici uxor", by charter dated 1170[547].
     "m firstly HELIE de Montmirail, son of --- (-before 1145).
m secondly (1145 or before) ANSERIC [I] Seigneur de Montréal, son of HUGUES de Chacenay Seigneur de Montréal & his wife Helvide de Baudémont (([1119/23]-25 or 26 Jan 1174).]"
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; Per Med Lands:
     "ANSERIC [I] de Montréal ([1119/23]-25 or 26 Jan 1174). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Anserici, Guilelmi, Andree et Milonis" as brothers of "Guido de Dampetra" Bishop of Chalon[65], the first named being the older uterine brother of the last three. Anséric [I] may have been a minor until the early 1140s, probably born at the end of his father’s life: the first source in which he is named as seigneur de Montréal is dated 1145, earlier charters naming as seigneur Guy, who is assumed to have been Anséric’s stepfather who would have held the seigneurie in his stepson’s place until he reached the age of majority. "Eluidis Montis regali domina" donated property to Jully-les-Nonnains, with the consent of "Anserici filii sui", by charter dated 1129[66]. "Guido de Dampetra…et uxor eius…Elvidis et filii Anserici et Guillelmus" approved the donation by "Lethericus de Baudimonto" to the Templars at Provins, by charter dated 1133[67]. Seigneur de Montréal. Seigneur de Montmirail, de iure uxoris. "Ansericus de Monteregio" donated property which stretched from "Nentri ad Trementiacum usque ad semitam...de Massengi ad Chableiam ex parte Villeri" to Pontigny, with the support of “--- uxor eiusdem Anserici”, by charter dated 1145, witnessed by “Andreas de Baldament, Bernardus capellanus de Monteregio, Guido de Dompetræ et Guido filius eius...Garnerius de Dompetræ...”[68]. A charter dated 1145 records an agreement between Pontigny abbey and Auxerre Saint-Germain concerning property donated by “Ansericus de Monteregali”[69]. "Ansericus de Monteregali" confirmed the donation of pasturage and other rights to Reigny abbey, made by “pater eius Hugo et mater eius Aluisa”, before leaving for Jerusalem with Louis VII King of France by charter dated 1147[70]. Sénéchal de Bourgogne. “...Anserico senescalco...” witnessed the charter dated 1150 under which Eudes II Duke of Burgundy donated property held by “domnus Regnerius de Rupe senescaldus meus” to the abbey of Puy-d’Orbe[71]. “Ansericus Montisregii dominus” recorded an agreement between the monks of Pontigny and “dominum Manasserium socerum meum” relating to “prato...supra Marsegni” which the latter had claimed, by charter dated to [1150][72]. A charter dated 1153 records the presence of "...Ansericus dominus Montisregalis et uxor eius Adelaidis..." at the donation of land near “boscum domini Montisregalis” to Reigny abbey made by “Ivo de Avalone...”[73]. "Ansericus de Monteregali…Ansericus filius eius…Johannes minor frater eiusdem et eorum mater Aalidis, Heluis filia eius" attested the donation to Reigny by "Ivo de Avalone" by charter dated 1164[74]. “Ansericus dominus Montisregalis” recorded an agreement with Reigny abbey, with the consent of “Aalaydis uxor mea et Ansericus et Johannes filii mei et Sibilla predicti Anserici filii mei uxor”, by charter dated 1170[75]. "Ansericus de Monteregali" donated property to the church of Notre-Dame de Montréal, for the soul of "Alaydis uxoris meæ" and with the consent of "Ansericus et Johannes filii mei et Sybilla predicti Anserici uxor", by charter dated 1170[76]. The necrology of Notre-Dame de Montréal records the death "26 Jan" of "Ansericus dominus Montis Regalis, qui quatuor familias apud Sivriacum dedit" [which links with the 1170 charter quoted above][77]. The necrology of Molesme records the death "VIII Kal Feb" of "Ansericus de Monteregali qui edificavit domum Sanctimonialum"[78].
     "m (1145 or before) as her second husband, ADELAIS de Pleurs, widow of HELIE de Montmirail, daughter of [JEAN Vicomte de Mareuil/MANASSES de Pleurs] & his wife --- de Ramerupt (-after 1170). There is some doubt about Adelais’s parentage. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis specifies that one daughter (unnamed, mentioned second) of "Andreas comes de Rameruth" married "Iohannes vicecomes de Maruel" by whom she had "Manassem de Plaierris et sororem eius, quam duxit Helyas de Monte-Mirail, de qua nati sunt Galcherus et Andreas et Hugo Prorulliensis abbas; defuncto vero Helia, nupsit domino de Monte-regali, cui peperit liberos"[79]. However, the charter dated to [1150] quoted below indicates that her father was Manassès (assuming that “socer” can be translated in its strict sense of father-in-law). The date of her second marriage is set by the charter dated 1145 under which [her husband] "Ansericus de Monteregio" donated property to Pontigny, with the support of “--- uxor eiusdem Anserici”[80]. The charter dated to [1150], under which “Ansericus Montisregii dominus” recorded an agreement between the monks of Pontigny and “dominum Manasserium socerum meum” relating to “prato...supra Marsegni” which the latter had claimed[81], suggests that the Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis may be inaccurate in recording the name of Anséric’s father-in-law, assuming that “socer” can be translated in its strict sense. "...Ansericus dominus Montisregalis et uxor eius Adelaidis..." at the donation of land near “boscum domini Montisregalis” to Reigny abbey made by “Ivo de Avalone...”[82]. "Ansericus de Monteregali…Ansericus filius eius…Johannes minor frater eiusdem et eorum mater Aalidis, Heluis filia eius" attested the donation to Reigny by "Ivo de Avalone" by charter dated 1164[83]. “Ansericus dominus Montisregalis” recorded an agreement with Reigny abbey, with the consent of “Aalaydis uxor mea et Ansericus et Johannes filii mei et Sibilla predicti Anserici filii mei uxor”, by charter dated 1170[84]. "Ansericus de Monteregali" donated property to the church of Notre-Dame de Montréal, for the soul of "Alaydis uxoris meæ" and with the consent of "Ansericus et Johannes filii mei et Sybilla predicti Anserici uxor", by charter dated 1170[85]."
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     Jean (?) Vicomte de Mareuil et de Pleurs married NN de Ramerupt, daughter of André I de Ramerupt Sire de Ramerupt et d'Arcis-sur-Aube and Adèle/Adelisa (?).^2,1

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 139.¹

     NN de Ramerupt married Jean (?) Vicomte de Mareuil et de Pleurs.^1,4

     EDV-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 139.¹

     Ada de Roucy-Ramerupt married Gauthier d'Ath Seigneur d'Ath
;
Her 2nd husband.^1,2,4,3,5,6 Ada de Roucy-Ramerupt married Geoffroy de Guise Seigneur de Guise
;
Her 1st husband.^9,10,6,11 Ada de Roucy-Ramerupt married Thierri I d'Avesnes Seigneur d'Avesnes et de Leuze, son of Wedric II 'Le Barbu' d'Avesnes chatelain et seigneur d'Avesnes and (?) de Chièvres,
;
Her 3rd husband.^9,6
Ada de Roucy-Ramerupt died after 1121.^12,6
      ; Per Med Lands (Ref. #1):
     "GAUTHIER de Chimay (-after 1065). “…Walteri de Cimai…” subscribed the charter dated 1065 under which Philippe I King of France confirmed the foundation of Hasnon abbey by “Iohannes vir illustris et Eulalia soror eius”[1653]. Defossez suggests that Gauthier de Chimay (died “before 1082”) was the same person as Gauthier d’Ath, that his son Alard (“1088”, died “before 1090”, born to an unidentified first wife) was the father of the siblings Alard [II] and Béatrix who are named below (by his wife “Havilde”), and that Béatrix d’Ath (wife of Arnoul de Hainaut, see the Ath chapter in the present document) was Gauthier’s daughter by his “second” wife Alix de Ramerupt[1654]. The primary sources which confirm the dates quoted by Defossez, and the name of Alard’s wife, have not been identified. "
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; Per Med Lands (Ref. #2):
     "GAUTHIER d’Ath, son of ---. Seigneur d’Ath. Defossez suggests that Gauthier d’Ath was the same person as Gauthier de Chimay (died “before 1082”), that his son Alard de Chimay (“1088”, died “before 1090”) was born to an unidentified first wife, and that Béatrix d’Ath (wife of Arnoul de Hainaut, see below) was his daughter by his “second” wife Alix de Ramerupt[552].
     "m as her second husband, ADA de Ramerupt, widow of GEOFFROY Seigneur de Guise, daughter of HILDUIN [IV] de Montdidier et de Ramerupt Comte de Roucy & his wife Adelaide de Roucy (-bur Abbaye de Liessies). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ada…de Guisia" as sixth daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy[553]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "quartam…Hilduini comitis filiam Adam" as wife firstly of "Godefridus de Guisia" and secondly of "Galterum de Aat et genuit filias; quarum una tradita est Gerardo de Audenarde, que peperit Arnulfum et Godefridum atque Heinricum et ceteros." and thirdly of "Theoderico de Avesnis"[554]. She married thirdly Thierry Seigneur d'Avesnes."
Med Lands cites: GAV-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Ada de Roucy-Ramerupt was also known as Ade/Ada de Montdidier.⁵

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADA de Ramerupt (-after 1121, bur Abbaye de Liessies). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "quartam…Hilduini comitis filiam Adam" as wife firstly of "Godefridus de Guisia" and secondly of "Galterum de Aat" and thirdly of "Theoderico de Avesnis"[664]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ada…de Guisia" as sixth daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy[665]. "Wido Lescheriensis…et Guisiensis" granted rights to the abbey of Saint-André du Câteau, for the souls of "meæ et coniugis meæ Adeluyæ", by undated charter, signed by "filiorum meorum Adam et Burgardi…" and later confirmed by the bishop of Laon by charter dated 1121 at the request of "Guido de Gusia rogatu uxoris suæ Adeluyæ et matris suæ Adæ" and with the consent of "filiis suis Adam et Burchardo"[666]. She built the convent of Lessies with her third husband, where she retired after his death and was buried[667].
     "m firstly GEOFFROY Seigneur de Guise, son of ---.
     "m secondly GAUTHIER Seigneur d’Ath, son of ---.
     "m thirdly THIERRY Seigneur d'Avesnes, son of WEDRICUS "Ad-barbam" d'Avesnes & his wife --- (-[1106])."
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; Per Med Lands:
     "GEOFFROY de Guise . The construction of the castle of Guise, which replaced the old fortress, is generally attributed to Godefroi de Guise[421]. Seigneur de Guise.
     "m as her first husband, ADA de Ramerupt, daughter of HILDUIN [IV] de Montdidier et de Ramerupt Comte de Roucy & his wife Adelaide de Roucy ([1040/60]-after 1121, bur Abbaye de Liessies). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ada…de Guisia" as sixth daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy[422]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "quartam…Hilduini comitis filiam Adam" as wife firstly of "Godefridus de Guisia" and secondly of "Galterum de Aat" and thirdly of "Theoderico de Avesnis"[423]. She married secondly Gauthier Seigneur d’Ath, and thirdly Thierry Seigneur d'Avesnes. "Wido Lescheriensis…et Guisiensis" granted rights to the abbey of Saint-André du Câteau, for the souls of "meæ et coniugis meæ Adeluyæ", by undated charter, signed by "filiorum meorum Adam et Burgardi…" and later confirmed by the bishop of Laon by charter dated 1121 at the request of "Guido de Gusia rogatu uxoris suæ Adeluyæ et matris suæ Adæ" and with the consent of "filiis suis Adam et Burchardo"[424]. She built the convent of Lessies with her third husband, where she retired after his death and was buried[425]."
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; Per Racines et Histoire (Guise): “Geoffroi de Guise (Godefridus de Gusgia), seigneur de Guise fl 1100 (+ dès 1087 ?) (on lui attribue le château de Guise, remplacant une ancienne forteresse)
     ép. Ada (Ade, Adèle) de Roucy-Ramerupt ° entre 1040 & 1060 + après 1121 (inh. à Liessies) (4° ou 6° (selon les sources) fille d’Hilduin IV (Ebles selon Alberic de Trois-Fontaines) de Montdidier et de Ramerupt, comte de Roucy, et d’Adélaïde, comtesse de Roucy ; ép. 2) Gauthier, seigneur d’Ath et de Nivelle ; ép. 3) Thierri, seigneur d’Avesnes) (elle édifie le couvent de Lessies avec son 3° mari et, veuve, s’y retire définitivement)”.¹⁵

; Per Med Lands:
     "THIERRY (-[1106]). The Chronicon Lætiense names "Theodericus" as one of the sons of "Wedricus cognomen Ad-barbam"[715]. Seigneur d'Avesnes. Robert Count of Flanders confirmed the possessions of Cambrai Saint-Aubert “in villa de Keans” by charter dated 1102, in the presence of “Everardi de Tornaco, Theodorici de Avethuis...”[716]. The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "Theoderico Avesniensi" as husband of "Ada [filia Hilduini comitis]"[717]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that the "abbatia de Letiis" was restored by "Theodericum de Avesnis et Aldam uxoris eius"[718]. “Gossuini de Montibus, Theoderici de Avesnis, Theoderici de Aldenarda, [Segardi] de Ceocs, Manasse de Betunia, Fastredi, Walteri de Lens, Walcheri de Chirvia, Anselli de Ribodimonte...” subscribed a charter dated 1084 for the abbey of Saint-Denis en Brocqueroie[719].
     "m as her third husband, ADA de Ramerupt, widow firstly of GEOFFROY Seigneur de Guise and secondly of GAUTHIER Seigneur d’Ath, daughter of HILDUIN [IV] de Montdidier et de Ramerupt Comte de Roucy & his wife Adelaide de Roucy (-bur Abbaye de Liessies). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "quartam…Hilduini comitis filiam Adam" as wife firstly of "Godefridus de Guisia" and secondly of "Galterum de Aat" and thirdly of "Theoderico de Avesnis"[720]. The Chronicon Lætiense names "Ada" as wife of "Theodericus"[721]. The Chronicon Lætiense names "Ada de Avesnis cognata" of "Ebalus filius [Petronillæ]"[722]. She and her third husband built the convent of Lessies, where she retired after his death and was buried[723]."
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; Per Racines et Histoire (Avesnes): “Thierri 1er d’Avesnes + 1106 (par Isaac de Berlaimont, pendant une chasse en forêt de Mormal) seigneur d’Avesnes et de Leuze (restaure, avec sa femme, l’Abbaye de Liessies ; achève le château érigé par son père)
     ép. Ada de Roucy-Ramerupt (fille de Hilduin IV, seigneur de Montdidier et Ramerupt, comte de Roucy, et d’Ade de Reims (Adèle, Adélaïde de Roucy) ; veuve de 1) Geoffroi, seigneur de Guise et de 2) Gautier, seigneur d’Ath)
     sans postérité”.⁹ She was living in 1095.⁵

     Geoffroy de Guise Seigneur de Guise married Ada de Roucy-Ramerupt, daughter of Hildouin IV de Montdidier comte de Montdidier, seigneur de Ramerupt, d’Arcis et de Breteuil, comte de Roucy and Adele (Adelix) de Roucy,
;
Her 1st husband.^3,4,5,6
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ADA de Ramerupt (-after 1121, bur Abbaye de Liessies). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "quartam…Hilduini comitis filiam Adam" as wife firstly of "Godefridus de Guisia" and secondly of "Galterum de Aat" and thirdly of "Theoderico de Avesnis"[664]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ada…de Guisia" as sixth daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy[665]. "Wido Lescheriensis…et Guisiensis" granted rights to the abbey of Saint-André du Câteau, for the souls of "meæ et coniugis meæ Adeluyæ", by undated charter, signed by "filiorum meorum Adam et Burgardi…" and later confirmed by the bishop of Laon by charter dated 1121 at the request of "Guido de Gusia rogatu uxoris suæ Adeluyæ et matris suæ Adæ" and with the consent of "filiis suis Adam et Burchardo"[666]. She built the convent of Lessies with her third husband, where she retired after his death and was buried[667].
     "m firstly GEOFFROY Seigneur de Guise, son of ---.
     "m secondly GAUTHIER Seigneur d’Ath, son of ---.
     "m thirdly THIERRY Seigneur d'Avesnes, son of WEDRICUS "Ad-barbam" d'Avesnes & his wife --- (-[1106])."
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Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg.⁶ EDV-27.

; Per Med Lands:
     "GEOFFROY de Guise . The construction of the castle of Guise, which replaced the old fortress, is generally attributed to Godefroi de Guise[421]. Seigneur de Guise.
     "m as her first husband, ADA de Ramerupt, daughter of HILDUIN [IV] de Montdidier et de Ramerupt Comte de Roucy & his wife Adelaide de Roucy ([1040/60]-after 1121, bur Abbaye de Liessies). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ada…de Guisia" as sixth daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy[422]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "quartam…Hilduini comitis filiam Adam" as wife firstly of "Godefridus de Guisia" and secondly of "Galterum de Aat" and thirdly of "Theoderico de Avesnis"[423]. She married secondly Gauthier Seigneur d’Ath, and thirdly Thierry Seigneur d'Avesnes. "Wido Lescheriensis…et Guisiensis" granted rights to the abbey of Saint-André du Câteau, for the souls of "meæ et coniugis meæ Adeluyæ", by undated charter, signed by "filiorum meorum Adam et Burgardi…" and later confirmed by the bishop of Laon by charter dated 1121 at the request of "Guido de Gusia rogatu uxoris suæ Adeluyæ et matris suæ Adæ" and with the consent of "filiis suis Adam et Burchardo"[424]. She built the convent of Lessies with her third husband, where she retired after his death and was buried[425]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Guise): “Geoffroi de Guise (Godefridus de Gusgia), seigneur de Guise fl 1100 (+ dès 1087 ?) (on lui attribue le château de Guise, remplacant une ancienne forteresse)
     ép. Ada (Ade, Adèle) de Roucy-Ramerupt ° entre 1040 & 1060 + après 1121 (inh. à Liessies) (4° ou 6° (selon les sources) fille d’Hilduin IV (Ebles selon Alberic de Trois-Fontaines) de Montdidier et de Ramerupt, comte de Roucy, et d’Adélaïde, comtesse de Roucy ; ép. 2) Gauthier, seigneur d’Ath et de Nivelle ; ép. 3) Thierri, seigneur d’Avesnes) (elle édifie le couvent de Lessies avec son 3° mari et, veuve, s’y retire définitivement)”.⁷ Geoffroy de Guise Seigneur de Guise was living in 1100.⁷

     Halvise (?) de Laon married Hilduin/Herloin II (?) Comte d'Arcis-sur-Aube, son of Herloin/Hilduin I (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil and Hersende/Hélissende de Ramerupt Dame de Ramerupt, comtesse d’Arcis-sur-Aube.¹

      ; Per Racines et Histoire (de Boubers): “Herloin ou Hilduin II comte d’Arcis-sur-Aube
     ép. Halvise de Laon”.² GAV-28.

     Garnier II de Trainel Sire de Trainel died between 31 December 1194 and 1195.¹
     EDV-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹

     Anseau I de Trainel Sire de Trainel married Hélissent de Montmirail dame d’Esternay).^6,1

Anseau I de Trainel Sire de Trainel died before February 1153.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 155.¹ EDV-26.

     Hélissent de Montmirail dame d’Esternay) married Anseau I de Trainel Sire de Trainel, son of Ponce/Pons I de Traînel Seigneur de Pont-sur-Seine and Melisende dite Caravicina de Montlhéry.^1,3

     EDV-26.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 155.¹ Hélissent de Montmirail dame d’Esternay) was living in 1155.¹

     Gui de Vergy seigneur de Vergy, Autrey et Beaumont married Alix d'Autrey de Beaumont-sur-Vingeanne et d'Autrey, daughter of Hugues (?) Sire de Beaumont et d'Autrey, circa 1140.^5,1,3

Gui de Vergy seigneur de Vergy, Autrey et Beaumont died after 1191.³
     EDV-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹ He was living in 1169.¹

     Alix d'Autrey de Beaumont-sur-Vingeanne et d'Autrey married Gui de Vergy seigneur de Vergy, Autrey et Beaumont, son of Simon de Vergy seigneur de Vergy et du Châtel-Censoir and Elisabeth/Ermengarde (?), circa 1140.^1,4,2

     EDV-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹ Alix d'Autrey de Beaumont-sur-Vingeanne et d'Autrey was also known as Adélaïde d’Autrey dame de Beaumont-sur-Vingeanne et Autrey.² She was living in 1169.¹

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹ Simon de Vergy Sieur de Beaumont-sur-Vingeanne was living in 1173.¹

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹

     Elisabeth/Ermengarde (?) married Simon de Vergy seigneur de Vergy et du Châtel-Censoir, son of Savaric (?) de Semur and Elisabeth (?) Dame de Vergy.^2,1

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹

     Simon de Vergy seigneur de Vergy et du Châtel-Censoir married Elisabeth/Ermengarde (?)^1,5

Simon de Vergy seigneur de Vergy et du Châtel-Censoir died in 1140.¹
     EDV-26.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹

; van de Pas shows this Simon de Vergy as the son of Savaric. Racines et Histoire shows another Simon de Vergy between this Simon and Savaric.^2,1

     Savaric (?) de Semur married Elisabeth (?) Dame de Vergy, daughter of Gerard (?) Sire de Vergy.^2,1

Savaric (?) de Semur died after 1113.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹

     Elisabeth (?) Dame de Vergy married Savaric (?) de Semur.^1,3

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.¹

     Welf I (?) Graf von Altdorf, von der Linzgau und Argengau died before 876; Leo van de Pas says d. bef 876; Welf 1 page says d. bef 876.^3,1
      ; This is the same person as ”Welf I” at Wikipedia and as ”Welf II. (Linzgau)” at Wikipedia (DE).^8,9

; Per Genealogy.EU: "B1. Welf I Gf im Argengau und Linzgau, +before 876; NOTE: the editors of Europaeische Stammtafeln now hold the position that Welf's parentage cannot be proved, but that it is extremely likely that he was son of Conrad (or, if not, of Conrad's brother Rudolf.)¹⁰'

; Per Med Lands:
     "WELF (-before 876). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Graf im Linzgau 842/850. Graf im Alpgau 852/858. m ---. The name of Welf's wife is not known. Graf Welf & his wife had [two possible children]: GAV-33. Welf I (?) Graf von Altdorf, von der Linzgau und Argengau was also known as Welf I (?) Graf im Argengau und Linzgau.¹

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 11.²

     Konrad (?) Graf im Linzgau was Leo van de Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 11.¹

; Count of Linzgau.¹

     Hugo Abbas (?) Archbishop of Koln; Cte d'Auxerre, de Tours et d'Angers, Margrave of Neustria died on 12 May 886 at Orléans, Departement du Loiret, Centre, France (now).^1,2,5
Hugo Abbas (?) Archbishop of Koln; Cte d'Auxerre, de Tours et d'Angers, Margrave of Neustria was buried after 12 May 886 at Abbey of St. Germain in Auxerre, Auxerre, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, France
     DEATH     12 May 886, France
     Hugh the Abbot (died 12 May 886) was a member of the Welf family, a son of Conrad I of Auxerre and Adelaide. After his father's death, his mother apparently married Robert the Strong, the margrave of Neustria. On Robert's death in 866, Hugh became the regent and guardian for Robert's sons, Odo and Robert.
     Hugh entered the monastery and rose to become abbot of Saint-Germain d'Auxerre. Despite his vows, he was no peaceful, contemplative monk but the epitome of the warrior-monk of his age.
     Hugh was endued with great political sense and fought the Vikings vigorously. He was the archchaplain of the royal court and one of the chief ministers of the joint-kings Louis III and Carloman. Hugh tried to maintain the alliance of the related Carolingian monarchs against the Vikings. He united all the Carolingian kingdoms against the usurper Boso of Provence. He supported Charles the Fat on his succession to West Francia in 884, but he died before he could lend aid to the defense of Paris during the siege of 885–86.
     Family Members
     Parents
      Conrad I l'Ancien the Elder unknown–876
      Princess Adelaide Tours
     Siblings
      Conrad II le Jeune d'Auxerre unknown–876
     Half Siblings
      Robert Robertin 866–923
     Children
      Petronelle d'Auxerre d'Anjou
     BURIAL     Abbey of St. Germain in Auxerre, Auxerre, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 14 Feb 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 142611175.^8,5
     ;      There is some dispute as to the father of Petronilla/Petronelle who m. Tertulle. Genealogy.EU says that she was the dau. of Hugo "Le Abbe" (Hugo, Abbot of St. Quintin, 802-844), an illeitimate son of Charlemagne (hereinafter Hugo #2). However, Find A Grave's memorial for Petronilla/Petronelle (#147096299) says that her father was Hugo "The Abbot" Welf (unk-886), a son of Conrad I of Auxerre (hereinafter Hugo #2).
     Two articles in Wikipedia on Hugo #1 (Abbot of Saint-Quentin and son of Charlemagne), and Hugo #2 (unk-886) discusses the confusion and assigns Petronilla/Petronelle as the dau. of Hugo #2 and thus granddau. of Conrad I.
Per Wikipedia - Hugo #1:
     Hugh (abbot of Saint-Quentin) - Hugh (802–844) was the illegitimate son of Charlemagne and his concubine Regina, with whom he had one other son: Bishop Drogo of Metz (801–855). Along with Drogo and his illegitimate half-brother Theodoric, Hugh was tonsured and sent from the palace of Aachen to a monastery in 818 by his father's successor, Louis the Pious, following the revolt of King Bernard of Italy.[1] Hugh rose to become abbot of several abbacies: Saint-Quentin (822/23), Lobbes (836), and Saint-Bertin (836). In 834,[1] he was made imperial archchancellor by his half-brother.[2]
     On Louis's death in 840, his sons began to fight over the inheritance. In 841, Hugh sided with his nephew Charles the Bald against Louis and Lothair.[3] In 842, Charles spent Christmas with Hugh at Saint-Quentin on his eastern frontier.[4] Hugh's interventions probably secured Saint-Quentin for Charles's kingdom in the division that came with the Treaty of Verdun (843).[5]
     Hugh was part of the small army which, on its way south to join Charles at Toulouse, was ambushed by Pippin II in the Angoumois on 14 June 844. Hugh was killed by a lance, and according to the anonymous verse lament composed about his death—called the Rhythmus de obitu Hugonis abbatis or Planctus Ugoni abbatis[6]—Charles wept over his body.[7][8]
     Hugh is sometimes confused with Hugh the Abbot, resulting in the erroneous claim that he had a daughter, Petronilla, who married Tertullus of Anjou, the semi-legendary father of Ingelger, first count of Anjou. The late accounts of the Angevin origins actually make Petronilla a kinswoman of Hugh the Abbot, not of Charlemagne's son. (emphasis added)
Notes
1. McKitterick 1983, p. 134.
2. McKitterick 1983, p. 84.
3. Nelson 1992, p. 121.
4. Nelson 1992, p. 131.
5. Nelson 1992, p. 134.
6. MGH, Poetae II, p. 139.
7. Nelson 1992, p. 141.
8. McKitterick 1983, p. 294.
Sources
-- McKitterick, Rosamond (1983). The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians, 751–987. London: Longman.
-- Nelson, J. L. (1992). Charles the Bald. London: Longman.
Per Wikipedia - Hugo #2:
     Hugh the Abbot (died 12 May 886) was a member of the Welf family, a son of Conrad I of Auxerre and Adelaide. After his father's death, his mother apparently married Robert the Strong, the margrave of Neustria. On Robert's death in 866, Hugh became the regent and guardian for Robert's sons, Odo and Robert.
     Hugh entered the monastery and rose to become abbot of Saint-Germain d'Auxerre. Despite his vows, he was no peaceful, contemplative monk but the epitome of the warrior-monk of his age. King Charles the Bald sent him on a military expedition to the Nivernais. One can see in this the clerical tendency to support the reigning dynasty against the great vassals. Hugh welcomed Charles when the king had to flee during an 858 invasion of Louis the German, when his vassals refused him aid and rebelled under Robert the Strong. When Robert regained favour, Hugh was exiled to Lotharingia, where he became archbishop of Cologne (864). He was called back to France soon, however.
     In 866, upon Robert's death, Hugh received all the former's abbacies, including Noirmoutiers and Saint-Martin de Tours, counties, including Tours, and the margraviate between the Seine and the Loire (Neustria). The only lands the sons of Robert inherited were in Beauce and Touraine. Despite being Robert's opponent during his life, after his death Hugh became the guardian of Robert's children. Hugh was endued with great political sense and fought the Vikings vigorously. He was the archchaplain of the royal court and one of the chief ministers of the joint-kings Louis III and Carloman. Hugh tried to maintain the alliance of the related Carolingian monarchs against the Vikings. He united all the Carolingian kingdoms against the usurper Boso of Provence. He supported Charles the Fat on his succession to West Francia in 884, but he died before he could lend aid to the defence of Paris during the siege of 885–86.
Sources
-- MacLean, Simon. Kingship and Politics in the Late Ninth Century: Charles the Fat and the end of the Carolingian Empire. Cambridge University Press: 2003.^{9,10,11,12,13,14} GAV-31.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 11.¹

; This is the same person as ”Hugh the Abbot” at Wikipedia and as ”Hugo Abbas” at Wikipedia (DE).^15,16

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGO (-Orléans 12 May 886, bur Saint-Germain d'Auxerre). The Annales Bertiniani name "Hugoni clerico, avunculi sui [=Karoli regis] Chonradi filio" when recording that he received the counties of Tours and Angers in 866[1781]. Abbot of Saint-Germain d'Auxerre 853. The Miraculis Sancti Germani names "Hugo" as one of the sons of "Chuonradus princeps" who continued to patronise the church of Saint-Germain at Auxerre after their father's death[1782]. Imperial missus in Auxerre in 853. Abbot of Saint-Riquier until 861. Abbot of Saint-Bertin 859/62. He was a supporter of King Lothar 861/865. He was elected Archbishop of Köln in 864. The Annales Xantenses record that "quidam tirannicus Hugo…filius predicti Cuonradi" (the previous paragraph naming "Cuonradi fratris quondam Iuthit reginæ") succeeded as archbishop of Köln[1783]. Marquis de Neustrie, Comte de Tours et d'Angers 866. Comte d'Auxerre in [866], assuming that Hugues was appointed to succeed Robert "le Fort" in this as well as the latter's other counties, although the primary source which confirms this beyond doubt has not yet been identified. Abbot of Saint-Martin de Tours 866. Abbot of St Vaast, Arras [874]. Abbot of Saint-Aignan, Orléans before 876. Abbot of Saint-Julien d'Auxerre 877. Chaplain of the imperial chapel in [880]. "Hugo consobrinus eius [Conradi]" succeeded his cousin [as Abbot of Saint-Colombe de Sens] in 882, recording that he was "clericatus in Palatio"[1784]. "Karolus…imperator augustus" confirmed a donation by "Hugo…propinquus noster" of property "villam Apiarias in pago Aurelianensi" to "episcopo Adalaldo archiepiscopo simulque Rainoni episcopo, fratri eiusdem" at the request of "Odo comes" by charter dated 27 Oct 886[1785]. Regino records the death in 887 of "Hugo abba" at Orléans and his burial "apud Sanctum Germanum Autisiodoro"[1786]. The necrology of Auxerre cathedral records the death 12 May of "Hugo abbas"[1787]."
Med Lands cites: He was Archbishop of cologne in 864 at Köln, Germany (now). He was Archbishop of Köln between 864 and 866 at Köln, Germany (now).^1,5

     Rudolph I (?) Comte de Ponthieu et de Sens married Hruodun (?)^2,8,3
Rudolph I (?) Comte de Ponthieu et de Sens was born circa 802.⁷
Rudolph I (?) Comte de Ponthieu et de Sens died on 6 January 866; Genealogics says d. 6 Jan 866; Med Lands says d. 15 Oct. 1866.^1,2,3
      ; Per Wikipedia:
     "Count Rudolph (or Rudolf) of Ponthieu (died 866) was a son of Welf (also Hwelf or Welf I) by Hedwig of Bavaria and thus a brother of Judith of Bavaria, wife of Emperor Louis the Pious. Through Judith’s influence, her brother Rudolph acquired and became Lay Abbot of the Abbeys of Saint Riquier and Jumieges.
     "In April 830, Frankish nobility revolted against Emperor Louis in order to "liberate" him from the influence of his wife Judith. Louis was placed under house arrest, whilst Judith and her brothers Rudolph and Count Conrad I of Auxerre were imprisoned in Aquitanian monasteries. The two brothers were later freed when their nephew Charles the Bald assumed the throne.
Marriage and children
     "Rudolph was married to Hruodun (died 867), who bore him:
References
** The Carolingians, A family who forged Europe by Pierre Riche (translated by Michael Idomir Allen), University of Philadelphia Press, 1993
** I Conti de' Marsi e la loro discendenze fino alla fondazione dell'Aquila by Cesare Rivera, Teramo, 1915.⁷

; Per Med Lands:
     "RUDOLF [I], son of WELF [I] Graf in Swabia & his wife Heilwig --- (-15 Oct 866). Thegan names (in order) "Chuonradum et Ruodolfum" brothers of Empress Judith[4]. He was given the abbeys of Saint-Riquier and Jumièges, through the influence of his sister Empress Judith. The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Rodolphe…du sang imperial…oncle du glorieux roi Charles" succeeded abbé Louis as lay abbot of Saint-Riquier[5]. He and his brother Conrad were forcibly tonsured in [Apr 830] by their sister's stepson, Lothar, then in revolt against his father, and sent to Aquitaine "to be held by Pepin"[6]. The Annales Alamannicorum record "Hruodolfus frater Iudith Augustæ" among those who swore allegiance in 864[7]. Comte de Sens. The Annales Bertiniani record the death in 866 of "Rodulfus Karoli regis avunculus"[8]. The Adonis Continuatio records the death in 866 of "avunculus quoque eius [Carolo, Ludovici filii"] Radulfus, consiliarius primusque palatii"[9]. Two contemporary Epitafia commemorate "nobilis…Rhuodulfus", the second recording his death "Idus octavo"[10].
     "m HRUODUN, daughter of --- (-after 867). The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.
Comte Rudolf [I] & his wife had four children:
Med Lands Cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU: "A1. Rudolf I, Cte de Ponthieu, +866; m.Hruodun N (+after 867.)⁸"

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 11.⁹

     Susanna (?) of Paris was born between 805 and 810.¹ She married Vulfard (?) Comte de Flavigny, son of Odaric II (?) comte de Brisgau, between 825 and 830.^{8,1,9,10,11,2}

     GAV-32. GAV-31.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977, Rösch, Siegfried, 87.¹² Susanna (?) of Paris was also known as Susanna (?) de Paris.^13,14

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Wulfhard, comte Palatin de Flavigny (-sur-Ozerain, 21, de 825 à 840) et Susanna de Paris (fille de Bégon, comte de Paris, et d’Alpaïs de Francie.)¹⁰"

     Vulfard (?) Comte de Flavigny married Susanna (?) of Paris, daughter of Bego/Begue I (?) Comte de Paris, Marquis of Septimanie and Alpaïs/Alpaide (?) Princess of the Holy Roman Empire, between 825 and 830.^5,6,3,4,7,8

     GAV-32.

; Per Med Lands:
     "VULFARD. The primary source which names Vulgrinus and his brother Vulfard has not so far been identified. Emperor Louis I confirmed the donation of "Vulfarius comes" of property to "cellulæ in pago Albiensi…Bella-Cella", by charter dated 819[202]. Comte de Flavigny [203].
     "m ([825/30]) SUSANNA, daughter of BEGO Comte de Paris & his wife Alpais [Carolingian] ([805/10]-). "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino" by charter dated 2 Nov 889[204]. The primary source which establishes that Susanna was the daughter of Bego has not yet been identified.
     "Vulfard & his wife had [seven] children."
Med Lands cites:

; This is the same person as ”Wulfhard” at The Henry Project.⁹ Vulfard (?) Comte de Flavigny was also known as Wulfhard (?)⁵

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977, Rösch, Siegfried, 87.¹⁰

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Wulfhard, comte Palatin de Flavigny (-sur-Ozerain, 21, de 825 à 840) et Susanna de Paris (fille de Bégon, comte de Paris, et d’Alpaïs de Francie.)⁴"

     Wulfhard (?) Archbishop of Bourges was born circa 830.¹
Wulfhard (?) Archbishop of Bourges died after 2 November 889.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 87.¹

     Adalhard/Alard (?) Count Palatine of Paris was born circa 830.^1,9
Adalhard/Alard (?) Count Palatine of Paris died after 890.^1,9
      ; Per Med Lands:
     " ADALHARD ([830]-after 890). His parentage is established by the charter dated 2 Nov 889 under which "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino"[210]. He inherited the villa Sennecey from his maternal uncle comte Eberhard. Comte 875. Comte palatin 877. Comte de Paris [885]. m ---. The name of Adalhard's wife is not known. Adalhard & his wife had two children:
Med Lands cites:

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Adalard (or Adalhard) of Paris (c. 830 – 10 October 890)[1][2] was the eighth Count of Paris and a Count palatine.[3] He was the son of Wulfhard of Flavigny and Suzanne of Paris, a daughter of Beggo, Count of Toulouse. His brother Hilduin the Young was the abbot of Saint-Denis. His brother Wulgrin I of Angoulême was appointed Count of Angoulême and Périgord. Adalard followed his uncle Leuthard II.
     "Adalard had two children: a son named Wulfhard and a daughter called Adelaide of Paris (850 – 10 November 901). She married King Louis II of France and had two children with him.
References
1. "CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY". Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. 3 November 2018. Retrieved 6 April 2019.
2. Boaz, A. (2014). Specific Ancestral Lines of the Boaz, Paul, Welty & Fishel Families. Adrienne Boaz. p. 768. ISBN 978-0-692-27837-6. Retrieved 6 April 2019. ... He may have married Susanna sometime around 825 to 830, as the conjectured birth year for Adalhard is circa 830. He died on October 10, 890. Susanna of Paris (Bego, Alpais) may have been born around 805 to 810, and she was the mother of Wulfhard ...
3. Jan, R.L; LeJan, R. (1995). Famille et pouvoir dans le monde franc (VIIe-Xe siècle): essai d'anthropologie sociale. Histoire ancienne et médiévale (in French). Publications de la S."²



; This is the same person as ”Alard/Adalhard” at The Henry Project.³

; Per Genealogics:
     "Adalhard was born about 830, the son of Wulfhard and Susanna of Paris. In 877 he was mentioned as West Frankish count palatine, and between 882 and 890 as the count of Paris. With an unnamed wife, Adalhard had a son Wulfhard who would become abbot of Flavigny, and a daughter Adelheid who would have progeny, marrying Louis II 'the Stammerer', king of West-France. Adalhard died after 10 October 890."¹⁰



Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 87.¹⁰ GAV-31 EDV-32.