Rose Peverel1

F, #20701, b. circa 1091, d. before 1185
ReferenceGAV24 EDV24
Last Edited15 Feb 2003
     Rose Peverel married Rollo/Raoul de Harcourt Lord of Willes, son of Robert "le Fort" (?) Seigneur d'Harcourt and Colette (?) d'Argouges.1 Rose Peverel was born circa 1091 at Bourne, Cambridgeshire, England.1
Rose Peverel died before 1185.1
     GAV-24 EDV-24.

Guillaume (?) Sire d'Harcourt, Cailleville, beauficel et Stanton1,2,3

M, #20702, b. circa 1100, d. after 1154
FatherRobert "le Fort" (?) Seigneur d'Harcourt1,2,4,5 b. c 1060, d. a 1100
MotherColette (?) d'Argouges1,2,6 b. c 1039
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited25 Sep 2020
     Guillaume (?) Sire d'Harcourt, Cailleville, beauficel et Stanton was born circa 1100 at Shenton, Leicestershire, England.7,8 He married Huë d'Amboise, daughter of Sulpice II «Le Hutin» d'Amboise Seigneur d'Amboise and Agnès de Donzy, circa 1125.1,9,10,8
Guillaume (?) Sire d'Harcourt, Cailleville, beauficel et Stanton died after 1154; Racines et Histoire (Harcourt & Amboise) say d. aft 1124. Med Lands says d. aft 1154.1,11,8,5
     ; Per Genealogics:
     “Guillaume was the son of Robert 'le Fort', seigneur d'Harcourt, and Colette d'Argouges. He succeeded his father as lord of Harcourt, Cailleville, Beauficel, Bourgtheroulde, Boissey-le-Châtel, Bouville and Renneville. In 1124 he fought for Henry I, king of England, against the supporters of William Clito of Normandy, count of Flanders, son of the deposed Robert II Curthose, duke of Normandy, Henry's brother.
     “Guillaume gave the estate of Stanton and its dependencies to the abbey of Geroldon in Leicester, England, as recorded in its cartulary.
     “With his wife Hue d'Amboise, Guillaume had ten children, of whom Robert II, Yves and Eve would have progeny. It is not recorded when Guillaume died, but he was succeeded in his Norman estates by Robert II and in his English estates by Yves, the founder of the English branch of the Harcourt family.”.10

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 58.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 123.10


; This is the same person as ”Guillaume d'Harcourt” at Wikipédia (FR).12

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME d’Harcourt (-after 1154). The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Wills fil Rob fil Anschet" after the death of "Rob fratris sui" in Leicestershire[859]. A charter dated [1154] records that "Ph[ilippus] Baiocensis episcopus…Willelmus de Braiosa et Willelmus de Harecourt" donated the church of Sumtinges to the Templars[860]. Seigneur d’Harcourt, de Cailleville, de Beauficel et de Boissey-le-Châtel. “A...regina” granted “manerium meum de Stanton” in four parts to Reading convent, to the Knights Templars, to “Milisendi cognatæ meæ uxori Roberti Marmium”, and to “Willielmo de Harestactu”, undated[861]. “Willielmus de Harvecurt” donated “totam terram Stantunie” to Garendon abbey (Leicestershire), with the consent of “Yvonis fratris mei et Agnetis matris mee”, by charter dated 1148[862]. Pope Anastasius IV (1153/54) confirmed donations to Garendon abbey, including the donation of “tertiam partem totius terre Stantune” made by “Willielmi de Haurucurth” with the consent of “Yvonis fratris sui et Agnetis matris ipsorum”, by undated charter[863].
     "m ---. The name of Guillaume’s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
[859] Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), Leicestershire, p. 88.
[860] Actes Henri II, Tome I, LXXXIV, p. 89.
[861] Kennett (1818), p. 154, footnote.
[862] Nichols (1804), Vol. III, Part II, Garendon Chartulary, p. 815.
[863] Nichols (1804), Vol. III, Part II, Garendon Chartulary, p. 813.11
GAV-25 EDV-25 GKJ-26.

; Per Genealogy.EU (Harcourt 1): “C1. Guillaume Sire d'Harcourt, etc, +after 1124; m.Hue d'Amboise”


Per Racines et Histoire (Harcourt): “Guillaume 1er d’Harcourt + après 1124 (1147 ?) seigneur d’Harcourt, Calleville, Beauficel, BoisseyLe-Châtel (27) et Stanton
     ép.1124 Hue d’Amboise”


Per Racines et Histoire (Amboise): “? Hue d’Amboise
     ép. Guillaume d’Harcourt ° ~1100 + après 1124 seigneur d’Harcourt, Cailleville, Beauficel et Stanton”.13,5,8

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 1 page (Harcourt family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028877&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Amboise.pdf, p.3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert 'le Fort': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028874&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, famille d’ Harcourt, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Harcourt.pdf
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Colette d'Argouges: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028875&tree=LEO
  7. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1312
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Amboise & Clermont d’Amboise, Bussy, Aubijoux, etc., p.3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Amboise.pdf
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hue d'Amboise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028878&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028877&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/DUTCH%20NOBILITY.htm#BeatrixBredaMArnoutWesemaal. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  12. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guillaume d'Harcourt: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_d%27Harcourt. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt1.html
  14. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028885&tree=LEO
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix d'Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028883&tree=LEO
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve d'Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028881&tree=LEO
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Yves d'Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028887&tree=LEO

Huë d'Amboise1,2,3,4

F, #20703, b. circa 1102, d. circa 1153
FatherSulpice II «Le Hutin» d'Amboise Seigneur d'Amboise5 b. b 1106, d. 24 Aug 1153
MotherAgnès de Donzy4 b. c 1110, d. a 2 Mar 1155
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited25 Sep 2020
     Huë d'Amboise was born circa 1102 at Shenton, Leicestershire, England.6 She married Guillaume (?) Sire d'Harcourt, Cailleville, beauficel et Stanton, son of Robert "le Fort" (?) Seigneur d'Harcourt and Colette (?) d'Argouges, circa 1125.1,7,8,9
Huë d'Amboise died circa 1153.6
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Harcourt 1): “C1. Guillaume Sire d'Harcourt, etc, +after 1124; m.Hue d'Amboise”


Per Racines et Histoire (Harcourt): “Guillaume 1er d’Harcourt + après 1124 (1147 ?) seigneur d’Harcourt, Calleville, Beauficel, BoisseyLe-Châtel (27) et Stanton
     ép.1124 Hue d’Amboise”


Per Racines et Histoire (Amboise): “? Hue d’Amboise
     ép. Guillaume d’Harcourt ° ~1100 + après 1124 seigneur d’Harcourt, Cailleville, Beauficel et Stanton”.10,11,9 GAV-25 EDV-25 GKJ-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt, 1974, Martin, Georges. 58.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 1 page (Harcourt family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hue d'Amboise: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028878&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005: "Le Bouteiller/Breaute (Baillon)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ) to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005."
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Amboise.pdf, p.3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Amboise & Clermont d’Amboise, Bussy, Aubijoux, etc., p.3: Maison d’ Amboise & Clermont d’Amboise, Bussy, Aubijoux, etc.
  6. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31112
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hue d'Amboise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028878&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028877&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Amboise & Clermont d’Amboise, Bussy, Aubijoux, etc., p.3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Amboise.pdf
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt1.html
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, famille d’ Harcourt, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Harcourt.pdf
  12. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028885&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix d'Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028883&tree=LEO
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve d'Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028881&tree=LEO
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Yves d'Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028887&tree=LEO

Yves (Ivo) d'Harcourt1,2

M, #20704, b. 1130, d. 1180
FatherGuillaume (?) Sire d'Harcourt, Cailleville, beauficel et Stanton3,1,2,4 b. c 1100, d. a 1154
MotherHuë d'Amboise1,2,5 b. c 1102, d. c 1153
ReferenceGAV24 EDV24
Last Edited25 Sep 2020
     Yves (Ivo) d'Harcourt was born in 1130 at Leicestershire, England.6
Yves (Ivo) d'Harcourt died in 1180.6
     ; inherited his f's English lands.3 GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 220
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 123, 139.1 Yves (Ivo) d'Harcourt was also known as John Ivo de Harcourt.6,1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Yves d'Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028887&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 1 page (Harcourt family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt1.html
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028877&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hue d'Amboise: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028878&tree=LEO
  6. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1311
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Robert Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028888&tree=LEO

Raintrude/Ramentrudis de Soissons1,2,3

F, #20705
FatherGuillaume II Busac (?) Comte d'Eu, Hiemois, Soissons et Troyes1,4,5,6,7 b. c 1020, d. 1076
MotherAdélaide/Aelis/Adelais de Soissons Cts de Troyes et de Soissons1,4,8,9 b. c 1042, d. 1105
ReferenceEDV28 GKJ26
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Raintrude/Ramentrudis de Soissons married Ives de Nesle, son of Ivres II de Nesle.3,10,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:16.3 EDV-28 GKJ-26. Raintrude/Ramentrudis de Soissons was also known as Ramentrudis de Soisson.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "--- de Soissons . The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Renaldum et Iohannem comites et Manassem episcopum Suessionensem, horum soror Yvoni de Nigella" gave birth to "comitem Radulfum"[688]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Rainaldum comitem Suessonis et Iohannem…et Manassem Suessionensem episcopum et filias" as children of "comes Suessionis Guilermus", specifying that one daughter (unnamed) married "Ivoni de Neella" by whom she had "Radulfum eiusdem castri dominum. Radulfus genuit Yvonem comitem Suessionis et Radulfum castellanum de Bruges et Theodericum Cameracensem archidiaconum"[689].
     "m IVES de Nesle, son of --- (-after 1076)."
Med Lands cites:
[688] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[689] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 12, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.4


; Per Med Lands:
     "IVES de Nesle, son of --- (-after 1076). “...Odonis vicecomitis...Odonis fratris comitis...Roberti Peronensis, Ivonis Hamensis, Ivonis Nigellensis, Hugonis Calniacensis, Odonis filii Roberti Peronensis...” subscribed the charter dated 1076 under which “Heribertus...Viromanduorum comes” confirmed donations to Saint-Prix made by “prædecessor noster Albertus”[690].
     "m --- de Soissons, daughter of GUILLAUME Comte de Soissons & his wife Adela Ctss de Soissons. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Renaldum et Iohannem comites et Manassem episcopum Suessionensem, horum soror Yvoni de Nigella" gave birth to "comitem Radulfum"[691]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Rainaldum comitem Suessonis et Iohannem…et Manassem Suessionensem episcopum et filias" as children of "comes Suessionis Guilermus", specifying that one daughter (unnamed) married "Ivoni de Neella" by whom she had "Radulfum eiusdem castri dominum. Radulfus genuit Yvonem comitem Suessionis et Radulfum castellanum de Bruges et Theodericum Cameracensem archidiaconum"[692]."
Med Lands cites:
[690] Hémeré, C. (1643) Augusta Viromanduorum (Paris), Regestum veterum charta, p. 37.
[691] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[692] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 12, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.11
She was living in 1115.12

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  2. [S1841] Leo van de Pas, "van de Pas email 24 Nov 2004 "Re: Husband(s) of Alice de Roucy?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 24 Nov 2004. Hereinafter cited as "van de Pas email 24 Nov 2004."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Ramentrudis) de Soissons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120728&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#RamentrudisSoissonsMIvesNesle. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume Bussac: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120726&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#GuillaumeSoissonsdied1076
  7. [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, Comte Guillaume de Soissons, "Busac": https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I113747&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adélaide de Soissons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00636363&tree=LEO
  9. [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Adelaide de Soissons: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I390239&tree=1
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Ives de Nesle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120727&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#IvesNesleMRamentrudisSoissons
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rainurde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120730&tree=LEO

Raoul/Radulf I de Nesle Seigneur de Nesle1,2

M, #20706, d. circa 1125
FatherIves de Nesle2,3,4 d. a 1076
MotherRaintrude/Ramentrudis de Soissons5,6
ReferenceEDV27 GKJ26
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Raoul/Radulf I de Nesle Seigneur de Nesle married Rainurde (?)7
Raoul/Radulf I de Nesle Seigneur de Nesle died circa 1125; Genealogy.EU days d. aft 1119; Med Lands says d. 1125 or after.8,9
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:16.2 EDV-27 GKJ-26.

; Per Genealogy.EU: "F2. Raintrude; m.Raoul I de Nesle (+after 1119.)10,9"

; Per Med Lands:
     "RAOUL [I] de Nesle (-1125 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitem Radulfam" as son of "Yvoni de Nigella" & his wife[693]. Seigneur de Nesle.
     "m RAINURDE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not been identified. 1115."
Med Lands cites: [693] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.9 He was living in 1103.2

Citations

  1. [S1841] Leo van de Pas, "van de Pas email 24 Nov 2004 "Re: Husband(s) of Alice de Roucy?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 24 Nov 2004. Hereinafter cited as "van de Pas email 24 Nov 2004."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Radulf: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120729&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Ives de Nesle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120727&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#_Toc494629916
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Ramentrudis) de Soissons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120728&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#IvesNesleMRamentrudisSoissons
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rainurde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120730&tree=LEO
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#RaoulSoissondied1125
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Normany family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ives II de Nesle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120731&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#IvesIINesleSoissonsdied1178

Ives de Nesle1

M, #20707, d. after 1076
FatherIvres II de Nesle2
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Ives de Nesle married Raintrude/Ramentrudis de Soissons, daughter of Guillaume II Busac (?) Comte d'Eu, Hiemois, Soissons et Troyes and Adélaide/Aelis/Adelais de Soissons Cts de Troyes et de Soissons.3,4,5
Ives de Nesle died after 1076.6
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "--- de Soissons . The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Renaldum et Iohannem comites et Manassem episcopum Suessionensem, horum soror Yvoni de Nigella" gave birth to "comitem Radulfum"[688]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Rainaldum comitem Suessonis et Iohannem…et Manassem Suessionensem episcopum et filias" as children of "comes Suessionis Guilermus", specifying that one daughter (unnamed) married "Ivoni de Neella" by whom she had "Radulfum eiusdem castri dominum. Radulfus genuit Yvonem comitem Suessionis et Radulfum castellanum de Bruges et Theodericum Cameracensem archidiaconum"[689].
     "m IVES de Nesle, son of --- (-after 1076)."
Med Lands cites:
[688] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[689] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 12, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.5
EDV-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:16.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "IVES de Nesle, son of --- (-after 1076). “...Odonis vicecomitis...Odonis fratris comitis...Roberti Peronensis, Ivonis Hamensis, Ivonis Nigellensis, Hugonis Calniacensis, Odonis filii Roberti Peronensis...” subscribed the charter dated 1076 under which “Heribertus...Viromanduorum comes” confirmed donations to Saint-Prix made by “prædecessor noster Albertus”[690].
     "m --- de Soissons, daughter of GUILLAUME Comte de Soissons & his wife Adela Ctss de Soissons. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Renaldum et Iohannem comites et Manassem episcopum Suessionensem, horum soror Yvoni de Nigella" gave birth to "comitem Radulfum"[691]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Rainaldum comitem Suessonis et Iohannem…et Manassem Suessionensem episcopum et filias" as children of "comes Suessionis Guilermus", specifying that one daughter (unnamed) married "Ivoni de Neella" by whom she had "Radulfum eiusdem castri dominum. Radulfus genuit Yvonem comitem Suessionis et Radulfum castellanum de Bruges et Theodericum Cameracensem archidiaconum"[692]."
Med Lands cites:
[690] Hémeré, C. (1643) Augusta Viromanduorum (Paris), Regestum veterum charta, p. 37.
[691] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1070, MGH SS XXIII, p. 796.
[692] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 12, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.7

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Radulf: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120729&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31935
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Ramentrudis) de Soissons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120728&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Ives de Nesle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120727&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#RamentrudisSoissonsMIvesNesle
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#_Toc494629916
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#IvesNesleMRamentrudisSoissons

Ivres II de Nesle1

M, #20708
FatherIvres I de Nesle1
ReferenceEDV29
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     EDV-29.

Family

Child

Raoul (?) seigneur de Nesle, chatelain de Bruges1

M, #20709, d. circa 1135
FatherRaoul/Radulf I de Nesle Seigneur de Nesle2,3 d. c 1125
MotherRainurde (?)4
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited1 Nov 2020
     Raoul (?) seigneur de Nesle, chatelain de Bruges married Gertrude (?) de Montaigu, daughter of Lambert (?) Cte de Montaigu et de Clermont and Gertrud (?) de Louvain; her 1st husband.5
Raoul (?) seigneur de Nesle, chatelain de Bruges died circa 1135.6
     EDV-25 GKJ-25.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Radulf: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120729&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#RaoulSoissondied1125. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rainurde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120730&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gertrude de Montaigu: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120737&tree=LEO
  6. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31856
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean I de Nesle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139964&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul de Nesle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026381&tree=LEO

Gertrude (?) de Montaigu1,2

F, #20710
FatherLambert (?) Cte de Montaigu et de Clermont1 d. 1140
MotherGertrud (?) de Louvain
ReferenceGKJ25
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Gertrude (?) de Montaigu married Raoul (?) seigneur de Nesle, chatelain de Bruges, son of Raoul/Radulf I de Nesle Seigneur de Nesle and Rainurde (?); her 1st husband.1 Gertrude (?) de Montaigu married Everard III Radulf de Mortagne Burggrave of Doornick, Castellan of Tournai, son of Everard II Radulf de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne, Burggrave of Doornick and NN de Hainaut; his 2nd wife; her 2nd husband.3,4,1
     GKJ-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 16.1 Gertrude (?) de Montaigu was living in 1146.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gertrude de Montaigu: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120737&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31855
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard III Radulf de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174522&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174586&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean I de Nesle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139964&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul de Nesle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026381&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Jean I de Nesle Burggraaf of Brugge, Sire de Nesle1

M, #20711, d. between 1197 and 1200
FatherRaoul (?) seigneur de Nesle, chatelain de Bruges1 d. c 1135
MotherGertrude (?) de Montaigu1,2
ReferenceEDV25 GKJ24
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Jean I de Nesle Burggraaf of Brugge, Sire de Nesle married Elisabeth (?) de Peteghem, daughter of Jean I van Peteghem Seigneur de Peteghem & Cysoing and Péronelle d’Oisy (?) d'Avesnes.3,1
Jean I de Nesle Burggraaf of Brugge, Sire de Nesle died between 1197 and 1200.1
     EDV-25 GKJ-24.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 16.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean I de Nesle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139964&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gertrude de Montaigu: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120737&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Peteghem: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139965&tree=LEO
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Coucy 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/coucy1.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ade de Nesle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028234&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#JeanNesledied1239. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Everard III Radulf de Mortagne Burggrave of Doornick, Castellan of Tournai1,2,3

M, #20712, d. after 1189
FatherEverard II Radulf de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne, Burggrave of Doornick1,2,4
MotherNN de Hainaut1,2,5
Last Edited18 Jun 2020
     Everard III Radulf de Mortagne Burggrave of Doornick, Castellan of Tournai married Matilda/Maud de Bethune, daughter of Guillaume I de Bethune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg et de Warneton and Clémence d'Oisy; his 1st wife.1,2,6 Everard III Radulf de Mortagne Burggrave of Doornick, Castellan of Tournai married Gertrude (?) de Montaigu, daughter of Lambert (?) Cte de Montaigu et de Clermont and Gertrud (?) de Louvain; his 2nd wife; her 2nd husband.1,2,7
Everard III Radulf de Mortagne Burggrave of Doornick, Castellan of Tournai died after 1189.8,1
     ; Everard III Radulf, Burggrave of Doornick, living 1189; 1m: Matilda de Bethune, whom he later repudiated; 2m: Gertrude (widow of Radulf de Nesle, Burggrave of Bruges) dau.of Ct Lambert de Montaigu; for their issue see http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html.1

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1154
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 88.2 He was living in 1157.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard III Radulf de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174522&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard II Radulf de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174525&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilde de Hainault: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174526&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174523&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gertrude de Montaigu: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120737&tree=LEO
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilda de Tournai: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163344&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174586&tree=LEO

Everard II Radulf de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne, Burggrave of Doornick1,2

M, #20714
FatherWalter de Mortagne Burggrave of Doornick, Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne3,2 b. b 1086, d. a 1137
MotherPetronella (?)4
Last Edited14 Aug 2019
     Everard II Radulf de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne, Burggrave of Doornick married NN de Hainaut, daughter of Baudouin III de Hainaut Count of Hainaut and Yolande (Jolante) (?) de Gueldre, in 1144; her 2nd husband.2,1,5,6
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1153.1 Everard II Radulf de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne, Burggrave of Doornick was living in 1135.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard II Radulf de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174525&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174527&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Petronella: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174528&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilde de Hainault: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174526&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders2.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard III Radulf de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174522&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin de Tournai: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120752&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroi de Tournai: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106853&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jolande de Tournai: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120751&tree=LEO

Everard I Radulf de Mortagne burgrave van Doornick (Tournai), seigneur de Mortagne, Castellan of Tournai1,2,3

M, #20715, d. 1147
FatherAlard I (?) de Peteghem1,4 d. c 1067
ReferenceEDV27 GKJ26
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Everard I Radulf de Mortagne burgrave van Doornick (Tournai), seigneur de Mortagne, Castellan of Tournai married Francka (?); his 1st wife.5,2,1 Everard I Radulf de Mortagne burgrave van Doornick (Tournai), seigneur de Mortagne, Castellan of Tournai married Helewide (?); his 2nd wife.6
Everard I Radulf de Mortagne burgrave van Doornick (Tournai), seigneur de Mortagne, Castellan of Tournai died in 1147.7
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1152
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 88.2 EDV-27 GKJ-26. Everard I Radulf de Mortagne burgrave van Doornick (Tournai), seigneur de Mortagne, Castellan of Tournai was also known as Evrard Radou 1er châtelain de Tournai.7

Family 1

Helewide (?)

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard I Ralph de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174529&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aubigne.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alard I de Peteghem: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00178118&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Francka: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174530&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helewide: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174531&tree=LEO
  7. [S2121] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2007: "the house of Avesnes, and the advocates of Tournai"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RWs6Dh0Y6uw/m/LdZiVfpelkoJ) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2007."
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf, p. 2.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ade/Ida de Mortagne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120749&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IdaMortagneMGauthierOisyAvesnes. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alard de Tournai: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120750&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174527&tree=LEO

Ade/Ida de Mortagne1,2,3,4,5

F, #20716
FatherEverard I Radulf de Mortagne burgrave van Doornick (Tournai), seigneur de Mortagne, Castellan of Tournai2,4,6,5 d. 1147
MotherFrancka (?)1,7,4,6,5
ReferenceEDV26 GKJ25
Last Edited18 Dec 2020
     Ade/Ida de Mortagne married Wautier/Gautier I 'Le Beau' d;Oisy d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze, son of Fastre II (Fastradus) (?) d'Oisy, Vogt of Doornick, avoué de Tournai and Richilde (alisa Mathilde) (?).1,8,9,4,10,11,6,5
     EDV-26 GKJ-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 50.6 Ade/Ida de Mortagne was also known as Ada de Mortagne-Tournai.12

; Per Med Lands:
     "[IDA de Mortagne . The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "Idam, filiam Everardi castellani Tornacensis" as wife of "Gualterus"[1894]. The chronology for her parentage as reported in the Liber is very tight. Her paternal grandmother must have been born in [1107] at the earliest, while Ida apparently gave birth to ten children by her marriage, before her husband died in 1147. It would make more sense if Ida was the sister, not daughter, of Everard [II], assuming that she was related to this family at all. A charter dated to [1145] records commitments by the abbot of Anchin to the inhabitants of Avesnes and names "Gozewinus Avesnensis castri dominus [et] uxore sua Agnete…Walterus successor et nepos suus [et] uxore sua Ida et filio suo Teoderico"[1895].
     "m GAUTHIER [I] d’Oisy Seigneur d’Avesnes, son of FASTRE [II] d’Oisy & his wife Richilde --- (-1147).]"
Med Lands cites:
[1894] Herimanni, Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis 57, MGH SS XIV, p. 299.
[1895] Duvivier (1898), p. 300.5


; Per Racines et Histoire (Avesnes): “Wautier (Gauthier) 1er d’Avesnes (alias d’Oisy) «Pulechel» ou «Pulkel» («Le Beau») ° ~1110 +X 1147 (par les troupes de l’Evêque de Liège, Henri II de Leez) seigneur d’Avesnes, Condé-sur-l’Escaut, Landrecies et Leuze, Avoué & vicomte de Tournai (1127)
     ép. Ade (Ide) de Mortagne (Tournai) (fille unique d’Evrard 1er Radulf, burgrave van Doornick (Châtelain de Tournai), seigneur de Mortagnesur-l’Escaut, et de Franka)”


Per Racines et Histoire (van Peteghem): “1) Ida (ou Ade) van Peteghem
     ép. Gauthier 1er d’Avesnes «Le Beau» + ~1147/49”.13,14

; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders 3): “B1. Wautier I d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze, *ca 1110, +1147/after 1149; m.Ade, dau.of Everard I Radulf, Bgve of Doornick, Lord of Mortagne”


Per Genealogy.EU (Doornick 1): “C3. Ida; m.Walter d'Avesnes (+after 1149)”.8,15

; Per Med Lands:
     "GAUTHIER [I] d'Oisy (-1147). The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "Galterum…germani sui [=Gosceguinus] Fastradi filium", specifying that his paternal uncle appointed him as his successor, and that he succeeded in "castrum Avesniense totamque pene regionem illam que dicitur Bracbantus"[746]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "nepos suus ex sorore Walterus cognomina Plukellus" succeeded "Goswinus de Oysiaco, castellanus Cameracensis"[747]. Seigneur d'Avesnes, de Condé et de Leuze 1127. A charter dated to [1145] records commitments by the abbot of Anchin to the inhabitants of Avesnes and names "Gozewinus Avesnensis castri dominus [et] uxore sua Agnete…Walterus successor et nepos suus [et] uxore sua Ida et filio suo Teoderico"[748].
     "m IDA [de Mortagne, daughter of EVERARD [I] Radoul Châtelain de Tournai, Seigneur de Mortagne & his wife Richilde de Hainaut]. The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "Idam, filiam Everardi castellani Tornacensis" wife of "Gualterus"[749]. The chronology for her parentage as reported in the Liber is very tight. Her paternal grandmother must have been born in [1107] at the earliest, while Ida apparently gave birth to ten children by her marriage, before her husband died in 1147. It would make more sense if Ida was the sister, not daughter, of Everard [II], assuming that she was related to this family at all. A charter dated to [1145] records commitments by the abbot of Anchin to the inhabitants of Avesnes and names "Gozewinus Avesnensis castri dominus [et] uxore sua Agnete…Walterus successor et nepos suus [et] uxore sua Ida et filio suo Teoderico"[750]."
Med Lands cites:
[746] Herimanni, Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis 57, MGH SS XIV, p. 299.
[747] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.
[748] Duvivier (1898), p. 300.
[749] Herimanni, Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis 57, MGH SS XIV, p. 299.
[750] Duvivier (1898), p. 300.11

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard I Ralph de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174529&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ade/Ida de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120749&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IdaMortagneMGauthierOisyAvesnes. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ade/Ida de Mortagne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120749&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Francka: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174530&tree=LEO
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders3.html
  9. [S2121] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2007: "the house of Avesnes, and the advocates of Tournai"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RWs6Dh0Y6uw/m/LdZiVfpelkoJ) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2007."
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wautier I d'Oisy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120748&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#GauthierOisyAvesnesdied1147
  12. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005: "Le Bouteiller/Breaute (Baillon)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ) to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005."
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille & seigneurs d’ Avesnes, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Tournai & de Mortagne Famille Van Peteg(h)em, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/van-Peteghem-Tournai.pdf
  15. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Petronille d'Avesnes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121885&tree=LEO
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#PetronilleOisyM1JanPeteghem
  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#ThierryOisydiedbefore1106
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicholas: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120741&tree=LEO
  20. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#NicolasAvesnesdied116911171B

Wautier/Gautier I 'Le Beau' d;Oisy d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze1,2,3,4,5,6,7

M, #20717, b. circa 1110, d. between 1147 and 1149
FatherFastre II (Fastradus) (?) d'Oisy, Vogt of Doornick, avoué de Tournai8,3,9,10,11,6,7 b. c 1075, d. b 5 Aug 1111
MotherRichilde (alisa Mathilde) (?)8,12,13,6,7 b. c 1080
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited18 Dec 2020
     Wautier/Gautier I 'Le Beau' d;Oisy d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze married Ade/Ida de Mortagne, daughter of Everard I Radulf de Mortagne burgrave van Doornick (Tournai), seigneur de Mortagne, Castellan of Tournai and Francka (?).14,8,3,5,6,7,15,16 Wautier/Gautier I 'Le Beau' d;Oisy d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze was born circa 1110.8,4,5
Wautier/Gautier I 'Le Beau' d;Oisy d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze died between 1147 and 1149; killed by the soldiers of the Bission of Liege, Henri II de Leez; Genealogics and Med Lands say d. 1147.8,4,5,6,7
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "[IDA de Mortagne . The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "Idam, filiam Everardi castellani Tornacensis" as wife of "Gualterus"[1894]. The chronology for her parentage as reported in the Liber is very tight. Her paternal grandmother must have been born in [1107] at the earliest, while Ida apparently gave birth to ten children by her marriage, before her husband died in 1147. It would make more sense if Ida was the sister, not daughter, of Everard [II], assuming that she was related to this family at all. A charter dated to [1145] records commitments by the abbot of Anchin to the inhabitants of Avesnes and names "Gozewinus Avesnensis castri dominus [et] uxore sua Agnete…Walterus successor et nepos suus [et] uxore sua Ida et filio suo Teoderico"[1895].
     "m GAUTHIER [I] d’Oisy Seigneur d’Avesnes, son of FASTRE [II] d’Oisy & his wife Richilde --- (-1147).]"
Med Lands cites:
[1894] Herimanni, Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis 57, MGH SS XIV, p. 299.
[1895] Duvivier (1898), p. 300.16


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 50.6

; Per Ravilious: Wautier I d'Oisy
     Death:     1147[2],[1]
     Occ:     lord of Avesnes, Conde and Leuze
      advocatus of Tournai [Vogt of Doornik]
     ' Walter le beau ', lord of Avesnes [ "Walterus dominus de Avethnis, agnomine Pelukels " - Gislebert of Mons, Chronicon Hanoniense, 43 (p. 75)[2]]
     Spouse:     Ada of Tournai
     Father:     Everard I, châtelain of Tournai
     Children:     Nicholas (-~1170)
           Everard (-1190)
           Thierry
Ravilious cites: 1. Paul Theroff, "The Counts of Flanders and Hainault," Paul Theroff's Dynastic Genealogy Files, http://worldroots.clicktron.com/brigitte/theroff/
2. Leon Vanderkindere, ed., "La Chronique de Gislebert de Mons," Bruxelles: Libraire Kiessling et C'ie, 1904, courtesy Googlebooks.
3. Sir Steven Runciman, "A History of the Crusades (3 vols)," Cambridge Univ. Press, 1954.
4. Sir Steven Runciman, "A History of the Crusades (3 vols)," Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1954.
5. Mike Talbot, "de Guise," Feb 6, 1999, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.“.17
EDV-26 GKJ-25.

; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders 3): “B1. Wautier I d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze, *ca 1110, +1147/after 1149; m.Ade, dau.of Everard I Radulf, Bgve of Doornick, Lord of Mortagne”


Per Genealogy.EU (Doornick 1): “C3. Ida; m.Walter d'Avesnes (+after 1149)”.8,18

; Per Racines et Histoire (Avesnes): “Wautier (Gauthier) 1er d’Avesnes (alias d’Oisy) «Pulechel» ou «Pulkel» («Le Beau») ° ~1110 +X 1147 (par les troupes de l’Evêque de Liège, Henri II de Leez) seigneur d’Avesnes, Condé-sur-l’Escaut, Landrecies et Leuze, Avoué & vicomte de Tournai (1127)
     ép. Ade (Ide) de Mortagne (Tournai) (fille unique d’Evrard 1er Radulf, burgrave van Doornick (Châtelain de Tournai), seigneur de Mortagnesur-l’Escaut, et de Franka)”


Per Racines et Histoire (van Peteghem): “1) Ida (ou Ade) van Peteghem
     ép. Gauthier 1er d’Avesnes «Le Beau» + ~1147/49”.9,19

; Per Med Lands:
     "GAUTHIER [I] d'Oisy (-1147). The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "Galterum…germani sui [=Gosceguinus] Fastradi filium", specifying that his paternal uncle appointed him as his successor, and that he succeeded in "castrum Avesniense totamque pene regionem illam que dicitur Bracbantus"[746]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "nepos suus ex sorore Walterus cognomina Plukellus" succeeded "Goswinus de Oysiaco, castellanus Cameracensis"[747]. Seigneur d'Avesnes, de Condé et de Leuze 1127. A charter dated to [1145] records commitments by the abbot of Anchin to the inhabitants of Avesnes and names "Gozewinus Avesnensis castri dominus [et] uxore sua Agnete…Walterus successor et nepos suus [et] uxore sua Ida et filio suo Teoderico"[748].
     "m IDA [de Mortagne, daughter of EVERARD [I] Radoul Châtelain de Tournai, Seigneur de Mortagne & his wife Richilde de Hainaut]. The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "Idam, filiam Everardi castellani Tornacensis" wife of "Gualterus"[749]. The chronology for her parentage as reported in the Liber is very tight. Her paternal grandmother must have been born in [1107] at the earliest, while Ida apparently gave birth to ten children by her marriage, before her husband died in 1147. It would make more sense if Ida was the sister, not daughter, of Everard [II], assuming that she was related to this family at all. A charter dated to [1145] records commitments by the abbot of Anchin to the inhabitants of Avesnes and names "Gozewinus Avesnensis castri dominus [et] uxore sua Agnete…Walterus successor et nepos suus [et] uxore sua Ida et filio suo Teoderico"[750]."
Med Lands cites:
[746] Herimanni, Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis 57, MGH SS XIV, p. 299.
[747] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.
[748] Duvivier (1898), p. 300.
[749] Herimanni, Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis 57, MGH SS XIV, p. 299.
[750] Duvivier (1898), p. 300.7

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders3.html
  3. [S2121] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2007: "the house of Avesnes, and the advocates of Tournai"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RWs6Dh0Y6uw/m/LdZiVfpelkoJ) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2007."
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aubigne.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf, p. 2.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wautier I d'Oisy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120748&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#GauthierOisyAvesnesdied1147. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders3.html
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille & seigneurs d’ Avesnes, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Fastre II d'Oisy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120746&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#FastreIOisydiedbefore1092
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120747&tree=LEO
  13. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Avesnes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Avesnes#Seconde_maison_d'Avesnes_(maison_d'Oisy). Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ade/Ida de Mortagne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120749&tree=LEO
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IdaMortagneMGauthierOisyAvesnes
  17. [S2121] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2007," e-mail to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2007, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RWs6Dh0Y6uw/m/LdZiVfpelkoJ
  18. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  19. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Tournai & de Mortagne Famille Van Peteg(h)em, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/van-Peteghem-Tournai.pdf
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Petronille d'Avesnes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121885&tree=LEO
  21. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#PetronilleOisyM1JanPeteghem
  22. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#ThierryOisydiedbefore1106
  23. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicholas: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120741&tree=LEO
  24. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#NicolasAvesnesdied116911171B

Nicholas (?) d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze1,2,3,4,5,6

M, #20718, b. circa 1129, d. between 1169 and 1171
FatherWautier/Gautier I 'Le Beau' d;Oisy d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze1,7,8,9,4,6 b. c 1110, d. bt 1147 - 1149
MotherAde/Ida de Mortagne10,1,3,8,11,4,6
ReferenceEDV23 GKJ24
Last Edited23 Dec 2020
     Nicholas (?) d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze was born circa 1129.1,12 He married Mathilde/Mahaut/Maud de La Roche, daughter of Henri I (?) de Namur, Comte de La Roche and Mathilde (?) von Limburg, before 1150;
Her 2nd husband.13,1,14,3,15,16,17,6
Nicholas (?) d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze died between 1169 and 1171; Ravilious says d. ca 1170.1,3,4,16
     ; Per Ravilious: Nicholas of Avesnes
Death:     abt 1170[1]
Occ:     lord of Avesnes
lord of Avesnes
Walter of Avesnes was succeeded by his son Nicholas:
' Waltero predicto succesit Nicholaus filius ejus, homo pacificus et discretus...
Ille Nicholaus uxorem habuit Mathildem, filiam Henrici comitis de Rocha in Ardenna, patrui sepedicti Henrici comitis Namurcensis, et Alidis comitisse Hanoniensis... ' [Gislebert of Mons, Chronicon Hanoniense, 43 (pp. 76-77)[2]]
Spouse:     Mahaut de la Roche[1]
Father:     Henri, comte de la Roche (-1138)
Mother:     Mahaut of Limburg
Children:     Jacques (-1191)
      Fastré.
Ravilious cites:
1. Paul Theroff, "The Counts of Flanders and Hainault," Paul Theroff's Dynastic Genealogy Files, http://worldroots.clicktron.com/brigitte/theroff/
2. Leon Vanderkindere, ed., "La Chronique de Gislebert de Mons," Bruxelles: Libraire Kiessling et C'ie, 1904, courtesy Googlebooks.
3. Sir Steven Runciman, "A History of the Crusades (3 vols)," Cambridge Univ. Press, 1954.
4. Sir Steven Runciman, "A History of the Crusades (3 vols)," Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1954.
5. Mike Talbot, "de Guise," Feb 6, 1999, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.“.3,18

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 50.4

; This is the same person as ”Nicholas d'Oisy, Lord of Avesnes” at Wikipedia and as ”Nicolas d'Avesnes” at Wikipédia (FR).19,20 EDV-23 GKJ-24.

; Per Med Lands:
     "NICOLAS d'Oisy, son of GAUTHIER [I] d'Oisy & his wife Ade [Ide] de Mortagne (-[1169/71]). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Nicolaum, Yvonem, Fastradum et episcopum Everardum Tornacensem" as the sons of "Galterum de Avennis" & his wife Ida[786]. The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "altero filio suo [=Gualterus] Nicholao", specifying that he succeeded in "castrum Avesniense et Bracbantum"[787]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "filius eius Nicolaus Plukellus" succeeded "Walterus cognomina Plukellus"[788]. Seigneur d'Avesnes, de Condé et de Leuze. "Evrardus…Tornacensis episcopus" confirmed the donation by "Johannes advocatus Cisonii" to Cysoing, in the presence of "fratrum meorum Nicolai…de Avesnis et Gossuini advocati Tornacensis", by charter dated to [1174/86], confirmed after the donor’s death by "domna Petronilla uxor eius soror mea et Petrus supradicti Johannis frater"[789].
     "m (before 1150) as her second husband, MATHILDE de la Roche, widow of THIERRY [I] Seigneur de Walcourt, daughter of HENRI [I] de Namur Comte de la Roche & his wife Mathilde de Limbourg. The Genealogica comitum Buloniensium names "Mathildis" as daughter of "Henricum comitem de Rupe", specifying that she was mother of "Iacobum Avesnensem"[790]. The Chronicon Hanonense of Baudouin d’Avesnes names "Mehaut" as daughter of "Henri…quens de Durbuis", her first husband "signour de Wallecourt Weri de Walecourt" and her second husband "Nicholas d'Avesnes"[791]. The Chronicon Hanoniense of Giselbert names "Mathildem filiam Henrici comitis de Roche in Ardenna" as wife of "Nicholaus filius [Walteri…de Avethnes]", adding that she obtained “comitatum de Rocha et advocatias Stabulacensis ecclesia” from the comte de Namur and the emperor[792]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Fredericus archidyaconus Sancti Lamberti Leodiensis, qui postea factus archiepiscopus de Tyre, et soror eius Mathildis" as children of "Albertus de Rupe", specifying that Mathilde married firstly "Theoderico de Walecurt" by whom she was mother of "Werricum de Rupeforti et matrem Theoderici de Hufalize, cuius filius Henricus de Hufalize", and secondly "Nicolao de Avenes"[793]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "filius eius Nicolaus Plukellus" married "Machtildem filiam Henrici comitis de Rupe in Ardenna", whose first husband was "domini de Walecourt"[794]."
Med Lands cites:
[786] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1099, MGH SS XXIII, p. 812.
[787] Herimanni, Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis 57, MGH SS XIV, p. 300.
[788] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.
[789] Cysoing XXXII, p. 41.
[790] Genealogica comitum Buloniensium MGH SS IX, p. 301.
[791] Chronicon Hanonense quod dicitur Balduini Avennensis 47, MGH SS XXV, p. 420.
[792] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[793] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.6


; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders 3): “C2. Nicolas, sn d'Avesnes, etc, *ca 1129, +1169/71; m.before 1150 Mahaut de Laroche (*ca 1133.)21"
; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 2): “F4. Matilda de Laroche, *1133; 1m: Thierry I de Walcourt (+ca 1147); 2m: before 1150 Nicolas d'Avesnes (+1169/71)”.22
; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE de La Roche . The Genealogica comitum Buloniensium names "Mathildis" daughter of "Henricum comitem de Rupe"[159]. The Chronicon Hanonense of Baudouin d’Avesnes names "Mehaut" as daughter of "Henri…quens de Durbuis", her first husband "signour de Wallecourt Weri de Walecourt" and her second husband "Nicholas d'Avesnes"[160]. The Chronicon Hanoniense of Giselbert names "Mathildem filiam Henrici comitis de Roche in Ardenna" as wife of "Nicholaus filius [Walteri…de Avethnes]", adding that she obtained “comitatum de Rocha et advocatias Stabulacensis ecclesia” from the comte de Namur and the emperor[161]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Fredericus archidyaconus Sancti Lamberti Leodiensis, qui postea factus archiepiscopus de Tyre, et soror eius Mathildis" as children of "Albertus de Rupe", specifying that Mathilde married firstly "Theoderico de Walecurt" by whom she was mother of "Werricum de Rupeforti et matrem Theoderici de Hufalize, cuius filius Henricus de Hufalize", and secondly "Nicolao de Avenes"[162]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "filius eius Nicolaus Plukellus" married "Machtildem filiam Henrici comitis de Rupe in Ardenna", whose first husband was "domini de Walecourt"[163].
     "m firstly THIERRY [I] Seigneur de Walcourt, son of WERY [I] Seigneur de Walcourt & his wife Adelaide --- (-[1147/48]).
     "m secondly (before 1150) NICOLAS d'Oisy Seigneur d'Avesnes, son of WAUTIER [I] d'Oisy & his wife Ade [Ide] de Mortagne (-[1169/71])."
Med Lands cites:
[159] Genealogica comitum Buloniensium MGH SS IX, p. 301.
[160] Chronicon Hanonense quod dicitur Balduini Avennensis 47, MGH SS XXV, p. 420.
[161] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[162] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[163] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.17

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders3.html
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  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicholas: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120741&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wautier I d'Oisy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120748&tree=LEO
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  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ade/Ida de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120749&tree=LEO
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  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#MathildelaRocheM2NicolasAvesnes
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  19. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_d%27Oisy,_Lord_of_Avesnes. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  20. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Nicolas d'Avesnes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_d%27Avesnes. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  21. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 3: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders3.html#NA
  22. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html#MHL
  23. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00275711&tree=LEO
  24. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jacques d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020643&tree=LEO
  25. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#JacquesAvesnesdied1191
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Mathilde/Mahaut/Maud de La Roche1,2,3,4,5

F, #20719, b. circa 1133
FatherHenri I (?) de Namur, Comte de La Roche6,7,8,9,3,4,5 b. 1070, d. b 1138
MotherMathilde (?) von Limburg1,3,10,8,9,4,5 b. c 1095, d. a 1148
ReferenceEDV23 GKJ24
Last Edited18 Dec 2020
     Mathilde/Mahaut/Maud de La Roche was born circa 1133.11,1,12 She married Thierry I de Walcourt Seigneur de Walcourt;
Her 1st husband.13,1,12,9,5,14,15 Mathilde/Mahaut/Maud de La Roche married Nicholas (?) d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze, son of Wautier/Gautier I 'Le Beau' d;Oisy d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze and Ade/Ida de Mortagne, before 1150;
Her 2nd husband.16,11,1,17,9,4,5,18
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "NICOLAS d'Oisy, son of GAUTHIER [I] d'Oisy & his wife Ade [Ide] de Mortagne (-[1169/71]). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Nicolaum, Yvonem, Fastradum et episcopum Everardum Tornacensem" as the sons of "Galterum de Avennis" & his wife Ida[786]. The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "altero filio suo [=Gualterus] Nicholao", specifying that he succeeded in "castrum Avesniense et Bracbantum"[787]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "filius eius Nicolaus Plukellus" succeeded "Walterus cognomina Plukellus"[788]. Seigneur d'Avesnes, de Condé et de Leuze. "Evrardus…Tornacensis episcopus" confirmed the donation by "Johannes advocatus Cisonii" to Cysoing, in the presence of "fratrum meorum Nicolai…de Avesnis et Gossuini advocati Tornacensis", by charter dated to [1174/86], confirmed after the donor’s death by "domna Petronilla uxor eius soror mea et Petrus supradicti Johannis frater"[789].
     "m (before 1150) as her second husband, MATHILDE de la Roche, widow of THIERRY [I] Seigneur de Walcourt, daughter of HENRI [I] de Namur Comte de la Roche & his wife Mathilde de Limbourg. The Genealogica comitum Buloniensium names "Mathildis" as daughter of "Henricum comitem de Rupe", specifying that she was mother of "Iacobum Avesnensem"[790]. The Chronicon Hanonense of Baudouin d’Avesnes names "Mehaut" as daughter of "Henri…quens de Durbuis", her first husband "signour de Wallecourt Weri de Walecourt" and her second husband "Nicholas d'Avesnes"[791]. The Chronicon Hanoniense of Giselbert names "Mathildem filiam Henrici comitis de Roche in Ardenna" as wife of "Nicholaus filius [Walteri…de Avethnes]", adding that she obtained “comitatum de Rocha et advocatias Stabulacensis ecclesia” from the comte de Namur and the emperor[792]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Fredericus archidyaconus Sancti Lamberti Leodiensis, qui postea factus archiepiscopus de Tyre, et soror eius Mathildis" as children of "Albertus de Rupe", specifying that Mathilde married firstly "Theoderico de Walecurt" by whom she was mother of "Werricum de Rupeforti et matrem Theoderici de Hufalize, cuius filius Henricus de Hufalize", and secondly "Nicolao de Avenes"[793]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "filius eius Nicolaus Plukellus" married "Machtildem filiam Henrici comitis de Rupe in Ardenna", whose first husband was "domini de Walecourt"[794]."
Med Lands cites:
[786] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1099, MGH SS XXIII, p. 812.
[787] Herimanni, Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis 57, MGH SS XIV, p. 300.
[788] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.
[789] Cysoing XXXII, p. 41.
[790] Genealogica comitum Buloniensium MGH SS IX, p. 301.
[791] Chronicon Hanonense quod dicitur Balduini Avennensis 47, MGH SS XXV, p. 420.
[792] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[793] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.18


; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders 3): “C2. Nicolas, sn d'Avesnes, etc, *ca 1129, +1169/71; m.before 1150 Mahaut de Laroche (*ca 1133.)19"

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/1 50 ; VII 68.
2. Genealogie der Graven van Holland Zaltbommel, 1969. , Dr. A. W. E. Dek, Reference: 36.9
Mathilde/Mahaut/Maud de La Roche was also known as Mathilde/Mahaut de Namur.20 EDV-23 GKJ-24.

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 2): “F4. Matilda de Laroche, *1133; 1m: Thierry I de Walcourt (+ca 1147); 2m: before 1150 Nicolas d'Avesnes (+1169/71)”.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE de La Roche . The Genealogica comitum Buloniensium names "Mathildis" daughter of "Henricum comitem de Rupe"[159]. The Chronicon Hanonense of Baudouin d’Avesnes names "Mehaut" as daughter of "Henri…quens de Durbuis", her first husband "signour de Wallecourt Weri de Walecourt" and her second husband "Nicholas d'Avesnes"[160]. The Chronicon Hanoniense of Giselbert names "Mathildem filiam Henrici comitis de Roche in Ardenna" as wife of "Nicholaus filius [Walteri…de Avethnes]", adding that she obtained “comitatum de Rocha et advocatias Stabulacensis ecclesia” from the comte de Namur and the emperor[161]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Fredericus archidyaconus Sancti Lamberti Leodiensis, qui postea factus archiepiscopus de Tyre, et soror eius Mathildis" as children of "Albertus de Rupe", specifying that Mathilde married firstly "Theoderico de Walecurt" by whom she was mother of "Werricum de Rupeforti et matrem Theoderici de Hufalize, cuius filius Henricus de Hufalize", and secondly "Nicolao de Avenes"[162]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "filius eius Nicolaus Plukellus" married "Machtildem filiam Henrici comitis de Rupe in Ardenna", whose first husband was "domini de Walecourt"[163].
     "m firstly THIERRY [I] Seigneur de Walcourt, son of WERY [I] Seigneur de Walcourt & his wife Adelaide --- (-[1147/48]).
     "m secondly (before 1150) NICOLAS d'Oisy Seigneur d'Avesnes, son of WAUTIER [I] d'Oisy & his wife Ade [Ide] de Mortagne (-[1169/71])."
Med Lands cites:
[159] Genealogica comitum Buloniensium MGH SS IX, p. 301.
[160] Chronicon Hanonense quod dicitur Balduini Avennensis 47, MGH SS XXV, p. 420.
[161] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[162] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[163] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.5


; Per Racines et Histoire (Avesnes): “Nicolas «Le Beau» d’Oisy (d’Avesnes) ° ~1129 + dès 1169/71 seigneur d’Avesnes (1169), Condé, Landrecies et Leuze
     ép. dès 1150 Mahaut de La Roche (ou de Namur) ° ~1133 (fille d’Henri 1er de Namur, comte de La Roche, et de Mechtild/Mathilde de Limbourg ; veuve de Thierri, seigneur de Walcourt + après 1147)”.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "THIERRY [I] de Walcourt (-[1147/48]). "...Theodorici filii Widerici de Valcourt..." subscribed the charter dated [1126/37] under which Henri Bishop of Toul confirmed donations to Saint-Mansuy made by “Simon...dux Lotharingorum et marchio...”[1073]. Seigneur de Walcourt. "Theodoricus dominus Hornensis" acknowledged receipt of money from "Arnulphum dominum et avunculum comitem Lossensem" and also holding the castle of Horn from him, by charter dated 1147, witnessed by "Theodorici comitis de Hostade, generi nostri Godefridi comitis Durasii, Giselberti subadvocati sancti Trudonis, Alberonis Lossensis et Arnoldi domini de Stinvort, fratrum et cognatorum nostrorum, Arnoldi D. de Peterssem, domini Theodorici D. de Walicuria…"[1074]. The Chronicon Hanonense of Baudouin d’Avesnes names "signour de Wallecourt Weri de Walecourt" when recording his marriage[1075].
     "m as her first husband, MATHILDE de la Roche, daughter of HENRI [I] de Namur Comte de la Roche & his wife Mathilde de Limbourg. The Genealogica comitum Buloniensium names "Mathildis" daughter of "Henricum comitem de Rupe"[1076]. The Chronicon Hanonense of Baudouin d’Avesnes names "Mehaut" as daughter of "Henri…quens de Durbuis", her first husband "signour de Wallecourt Weri de Walecourt" and her second husband "Nicholas d'Avesnes"[1077]. The Chronicon Hanoniense of Giselbert names "Mathildem filiam Henrici comitis de Roche in Ardenna" as wife of "Nicholaus filius [Walteri…de Avethnes]", adding that she obtained “comitatum de Rocha et advocatias Stabulacensis ecclesia” from the comte de Namur and the emperor[1078]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Fredericus archidyaconus Sancti Lamberti Leodiensis, qui postea factus archiepiscopus de Tyre, et soror eius Mathildis" as children of "Albertus de Rupe", specifying that Mathilde married firstly "Theoderico de Walecurt" by whom she was mother of "Werricum de Rupeforti et matrem Theoderici de Hufalize, cuius filius Henricus de Hufalize", and secondly "Nicolao de Avenes"[1079]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "filius eius Nicolaus Plukellus" married "Machtildem filiam Henrici comitis de Rupe in Ardenna", whose first husband was "domini de Walecourt"[1080]. She married secondly (before 1150) Nicolas d'Oisy Seigneur d'Avesnes."
Med Lands cites:
[1073] Calmet (1748), Tome V, Preuves, col. clxi.
[1074] Wolters, M. J. (ed.) (1849) Codex Diplomaticus Lossensis (Gand) 90, p. 48.
[1075] Chronicon Hanonense quod dicitur Balduini Avennensis 47, MGH SS XXV, p. 420.
[1076] Genealogica comitum Buloniensium MGH SS IX, p. 301.
[1077] Chronicon Hanonense quod dicitur Balduini Avennensis 47, MGH SS XXV, p. 420.
[1078] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[1079] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[1080] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.4

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde (Mahaut) de La Roche: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027142&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2121] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2007: "the house of Avesnes, and the advocates of Tournai"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RWs6Dh0Y6uw/m/LdZiVfpelkoJ) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2007, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RWs6Dh0Y6uw/m/LdZiVfpelkoJ. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2007."
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille & seigneurs d’ Avesnes, p. 3; http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#MathildelaRocheM2NicolasAvesnes. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
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Jacques (?) seigneur d'Avesnes, Leuse, Conde and Guise1,2,3,4

M, #20720, b. circa 1150, d. 7 September 1191
FatherNicholas (?) d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze5,2,4,3,6,7,8 b. c 1129, d. bt 1169 - 1171
MotherMathilde/Mahaut/Maud de La Roche5,2,3,4,9,8 b. c 1133
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited18 Dec 2020
     Jacques (?) seigneur d'Avesnes, Leuse, Conde and Guise was born circa 1150 at Avesnes, France.1,2,4,3 He married Adelvie/Ameline (?) de Guise, daughter of Bernard/Bouchard (?) seigneur de Guise and Alix (?), between 1163 and 1168; Genealogics says m. 1180; Racines et Histoire (Avenses) says m. aft 1163 and bef 1185; Med Lands says m. 1163-68; Genealogy.EU (Flanders 3) says m. 1180.10,5,3,2,4,11,12,13
Jacques (?) seigneur d'Avesnes, Leuse, Conde and Guise died on 7 September 1191 at near Arsuf, Palestine.1,3,2,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Genealogie der Graven van Holland Zaltbommel, 1969. , Dr. A. W. E. Dek, Reference: 36.2

; Per Genealogics:
     “Jacques was born about 1150, the son of Nicolas, sire d'Avesnes and Mathilde (Mahaut) de La Roche. About 1180 he married Ameline de Guise, daughter of Bernhard/Bouchard de Guise and his wife Alix. Jacques and Ameline had seven children of whom two sons and three daughters would have progeny.
     “Constable of Flanders, Jacques joined the Third Crusade under Richard 'the Lionheart'. On 7 September 1191 the Crusaders confronted Saladin's forces near Arsuf in Palestine. This extract from _The History of the Crusades_ by Joseph François Michaud (1853) graphically describes the battle in which Jacques lost his life:
     “'The Crusaders advanced towards the city of Arsuf, marching over a long but narrow plain, intersected by torrents, ravines, and marshes, and covered in many places with fragments of rock, marine plants, and reeds. They had the sea on their right, and on the left rose the steep mountains of Naplouse, defended by the inhabitants of the country and the troops of Saladin. At every passage of a torrent, at every dune or hillock of sand, at every village, a fresh contest had to be sustained, whilst the Mussulman archers, placed upon the heights, annoyed them unceasingly with their arrows. Richard 'the Lionheart's army marched in order of battle; the cavalry being placed in the centre; whilst the foot, closing their ranks, presented an impenetrable wall to the enemy, and braved their constantly renewed attacks.
     “'The army of the sultan got in advance of the Crusaders, and laid waste everything in their way; exhausting their efforts and ingenuity to retard, or entirely stop their march. Across the plain of Arsuf flowed a torrent which cast itself into the sea near the ramparts of the city; and not far from this torrent, a wood of oaks, which historians call the forest of Sarun, and which is believed to be the forest celebrated by Tasso, extended along the declivities of the mountains of Naplouse: it was upon this spot Saladin awaited the Crusaders to offer them decisive battle.
     “'A part of his army covered the heights, whilst the remainder encamped upon the banks of the torrent of Arsuf. The Christians soon arrived in face of their enemy, and drew up in order of battle. The Danes, Flemings, and Tuscans, commanded by Jacques d'Avesnes, formed the van. Richard marched in the centre, at the head of the English, Normans, Gascons, the Syrian troops, and those of the count of Champagne the rear-guard was composed of French and Germans, under the orders of the duke of Burgundy and Leopold of Austria. Whilst the archers were showering their arrows from a distance, Saladin passed through the ranks, and roused the courage of his soldiers, who replied him with the cries of Allah ac bar! -- God is powerful. Profound silence prevailed in the Christian army; the black cuirasses of the Crusaders seeming to darken the horizon, whilst sixty thousand swords gleamed out from amidst clouds of dust. All at once the Christian infantry opened their ranks, and the cavalry rushed forward towards the enemy, drawn up on the banks of the torrent of Arsuf. Jacques d'Avesnes, who commanded them, penetrated twice into the closely-pressed ranks of the Saracens, and twice was compelled to retreat in disorder. At the third charge his leg was severed by the stroke of a sabre, but he still pursued the infidels, when the arm with which he fought was struck off at a blow. The Christian hero fell amidst the enemy, calling aloud upon Richard, and conjuring him to avenge his death.'”.2

; This is the same person as ”James of Avesnes” at Wikipedia and as ”Jacques Ier d'Avesnes” at Wikipédia (FR).14,15 EDV-22 GKJ-23.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Avesnes): “Nicolas «Le Beau» d’Oisy (d’Avesnes) ° ~1129 + dès 1169/71 seigneur d’Avesnes (1169), Condé, Landrecies et Leuze
     ép. dès 1150 Mahaut de La Roche (ou de Namur) ° ~1133 (fille d’Henri 1er de Namur, comte de La Roche, et de Mechtild/Mathilde de Limbourg ; veuve de Thierri, seigneur de Walcourt + après 1147)”.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "JACQUES d'Avesnes ([1150]-killed in battle Arsuf, Palestine 7 Sep 1191). The Genealogica comitum Buloniensium names "Iacobum Avesnensem" as son of "Mathildis [filiam Henricum comitem de Rupe]"[794]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Iacobum et Idam castellanam Sancti Audemari" as children of "Nicolao de Avenes" & his wife[795]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Iacobum" as son of "Nicholaus filius [Walteri…de Avethnes]" & his wife[796]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Jacobum et Fastradum" as the two sons of "Nicolaus Plukellus"[797]. The Chronicon Hanoniense of Gislebert names "Widrico de Walecourt" as brother of "Iacobus…de Avethnis", when recording that the latter claimed “comitatu de Roka” for the former and for himself[798]. Seigneur d'Avesnes, de Leuze et de Condé. The Chronicon Hanoniense records "Iacobus de Avethnis, Egidius de Sancto Oberto, Rasso de Gaura" among the knights who served Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut at the siege of "castrum Bretenghes" [Brettingen] in the war with “Henricus comes Namurcensis et Lusceleborch”, dated to 1172 in a later passage[799]. Seigneur de Guise, by right of his wife: “Elbert Jacob seigneur de Guise et Lesquielles et Adeline sa femme” recognised the freedoms of the forest adjacent to the monastery of Eparcy by charter dated 1174[800]. The Breve Chronicon Buciliensis records that “Nicolaus dominus de Rumigniaco” settled disputes with the church of Bucilly in 1181, with the agreement of “Hugo frater ipsius Nicolai”, and with “dominus Jacobus de Guisia, dominus Raynaldus de Roseto et dominus Nicolaus de Barbenchon” as guarantors[801]. "The bravest knight in Flanders", he left on crusade in [Sep] 1189[802]. He arrived off Acre in [Nov] 1189 and took part in the siege of the town[803]. He was killed in battle fighting Saladin with Richard I King of England[804]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Iacobus de Avethnia" among those who died in Palestine in [1191][805]. The Chronicle of Ernoul records that "Jakemes d'Avesnes li bons chevaliers" was killed fighting the Muslims at Arsuf[806]. The Annales Aquicinctini record that "Iacobus de Avesnis" was killed by Saracens in 1192[807]. The necrology of Brogne records the death "VII Id Sep" of "domnus Jacobus de Avenes"[808].
     "m ([1163/68]) ADELINE de Guise, daughter of BOUCHARD Seigneur de Guise & his wife --- (-after 1200). The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Adelviam Buchardi de Guisa filiam" as wife of "Iacobum [filium Nicholai…de Avethnes]"[809]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" married "Adeluyam unicam filiam Bouchardi domini de Guisia"[810]. The Breve Chronicon Buciliensis records that “Adeluya domina Guisiæ” donated property to Bucilly in 1196 for the soul of “mariti sui Jacobi de Avenis”, with the consent of “Gualteri filii sui cæterorum liberorum suorum”[811]. “Jacobus dominus de Landreceis filius magni Jacobi domini de Avesnis et de Guisia” granted freedoms to the town of Landrecies, with the consent of “Addelinæ matris meæ et domini fratris mei Walteri de Avesnis et Nicolai de Etroeungt”, by charter dated 1200[812]."
Med Lands cites:
[794] Genealogica comitum Buloniensium MGH SS IX, p. 301.
[795] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[796] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[797] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.
[798] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 536.
[799] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, pp. 520, 522-3.
[800] Barthélemy, E. de (1879) Analyse du cartulaire de l’abbaye de Foigny (Vervins) (“Foigny (1879)”), IV, p. 8.
[801] Demarsy, A. (1870) Breve Chronicon Abbatiæ Buciliensis (Laon) (“Breve Chronicon Buciliensis”), p. 14.
[802] Stubbs, W. (ed.) (1847) Gesta Regis Henrici Secundi Benedicti Abbatis, The Chronicle of the reigns of Henry II and Richard I 1169-1192, known commonly under the name of Benedict of Peterborough (London) (“Benedict of Peterborough”) Vol. II, p. 94, cited in Runciman (1978), Vol. 3, p. 9.
[803] RHC, Historiens occidentaux II, Historia Rerum in partibus transmarinis gestarum ("L'estoire de Eracles Empereur et la conqueste de la terre d'Outremer"), Continuator (“WTC”) XXIV.XVII, p. 127.
[804] WTC XXVI.VII, p. 185.
[805] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 579.
[806] Mas Latrie, M. L. (ed.) (1871) Chronique d'Ernoul et de Bernard le Trésorier (Paris) (“Ernoul”), 24, p. 283.
[807] Annales Aquicinctini 1192, MGH SS XVI, p. 505.
[808] Brogne Necrology, p. 340.
[809] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[810] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.
[811] Breve Chronicon Buciliensis, p. 16.
[812] Reiffenberg (1844), Tome I, Cartulaires de Hainaut, XVI, p. 330.4


; Per Racines et Histoire (Avesnes): “Jacques 1er d’Avesnes ° ~1150 (Avesnes) +X 07/09/1191 (Arsuf, Palestine, en X Saladin avec Richard 1er d’Angleterre) seigneur d’Avesnes, Condé, Leuze, Landrecies
Trelon et Guise, croisé (09/1189), X 1189 (siège d’Acre) «Le plus brave chevalier des Flandres»
ép. après 1163/68 & dès 1185 (~1180 ?) Adeline (Adelvie, Ameline, Adélaïde) de Guise ° ~1159 + 1185 (Guise) (fille de Bouchard, seigneur de Guise (~1155) et d’Alix) (citée dans une charte de fondation en mémoire de son défunt mari 1196)”

Per Racines et Histoire (Guise): “Adeline (Améline, Adelvia, Adeluya) de Guise ° ~1159 + 1196 ou peu après (1204 ?) dame de Guise (d’abord sous tutelle de son oncle Godefroi ; donation en 1196 à Bucilly pour l’âme de son époux défunt, du consentement de son fils Gauthier & de ses autres enfants)
ép. après 1163/68 & avant 1185 (~1180 ?) Jacques 1er d’Avesnes ° ~1150 (Avesnes) +X 07/09/1191 (Arsuf, Palestine) seigneur d’Avesnes, Condé, Leuze, Landrecies, Trelon et Guise, croisé (09/1189) (fils de Nicolas, seigneur d’Avesnes, et de Mahaut de La Roche)”.3,11

; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders 2): “D1. Jacques, sn d'Avesnes, Leuse, Conde and Guise, *Avesnes ca 1150, +k.a. nr Arsuf, Palestine 7.9.1191; m.1180 Adele de Guise (*Guise ca 1159), dau.of Bernard de Guise and Alix N”.16

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELINE de Guise (-after 1200). The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Adelviam Buchardi de Guisa filiam" as wife of "Iacobum [filium Nicholai…de Avethnes]"[451]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" married "Adeluyam unicam filiam Bouchardi domini de Guisia"[452]. The Breve Chronicon Buciliensis records that “Adeluya domina Guisiæ” donated property to Bucilly in 1196 for the soul of “mariti sui Jacobi de Avenis”, with the consent of “Gualteri filii sui cæterorum liberorum suorum”[453]. “Jacobus dominus de Landreceis filius magni Jacobi domini de Avesnis et de Guisia” granted freedoms to the town of Landrecies, with the consent of “Addelinæ matris meæ et domini fratris mei Walteri de Avesnis et Nicolai de Etroeungt”, by charter dated 1200[454].
     "m ([1163/68]) JACQUES d'Avesnes, son of NICOLAS Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Mahaut de la Roche ([1150]-killed in battle Arsuf, Palestine 7 Sep 1191)."
Med Lands cites:
[451] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[452] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF, Tome XIII, p. 560.
[453] Breve Chronicon Buciliensis, p. 16.
[454] Reiffenberg (1844), Tome I, Cartulaires de Hainaut, XVI, p. 330.13

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Adelvie/Ameline (?) de Guise1,2,3,4,5,6

F, #20721, b. 1159, d. 1207
FatherBernard/Bouchard (?) seigneur de Guise7,8,2,5,3,4,6
MotherAlix (?)8,9,2,4,3,5
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited7 Dec 2020
     Adelvie/Ameline (?) de Guise was born in 1159.10 She married Jacques (?) seigneur d'Avesnes, Leuse, Conde and Guise, son of Nicholas (?) d'Oisy, sn d'Avesnes, de Conde et de Leuze and Mathilde/Mahaut/Maud de La Roche, between 1163 and 1168; Genealogics says m. 1180; Racines et Histoire (Avenses) says m. aft 1163 and bef 1185; Med Lands says m. 1163-68; Genealogy.EU (Flanders 3) says m. 1180.11,2,4,12,13,5,3,6
Adelvie/Ameline (?) de Guise died in 1207 at Guise, France (now); Racines et Histoire says d. 1185.2,10
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders 2): “D1. Jacques, sn d'Avesnes, Leuse, Conde and Guise, *Avesnes ca 1150, +k.a. nr Arsuf, Palestine 7.9.1191; m.1180 Adele de Guise (*Guise ca 1159), dau.of Bernard de Guise and Alix N”.14

; Per Med Lands:
     "JACQUES d'Avesnes ([1150]-killed in battle Arsuf, Palestine 7 Sep 1191). The Genealogica comitum Buloniensium names "Iacobum Avesnensem" as son of "Mathildis [filiam Henricum comitem de Rupe]"[794]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "Iacobum et Idam castellanam Sancti Audemari" as children of "Nicolao de Avenes" & his wife[795]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Iacobum" as son of "Nicholaus filius [Walteri…de Avethnes]" & his wife[796]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Jacobum et Fastradum" as the two sons of "Nicolaus Plukellus"[797]. The Chronicon Hanoniense of Gislebert names "Widrico de Walecourt" as brother of "Iacobus…de Avethnis", when recording that the latter claimed “comitatu de Roka” for the former and for himself[798]. Seigneur d'Avesnes, de Leuze et de Condé. The Chronicon Hanoniense records "Iacobus de Avethnis, Egidius de Sancto Oberto, Rasso de Gaura" among the knights who served Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut at the siege of "castrum Bretenghes" [Brettingen] in the war with “Henricus comes Namurcensis et Lusceleborch”, dated to 1172 in a later passage[799]. Seigneur de Guise, by right of his wife: “Elbert Jacob seigneur de Guise et Lesquielles et Adeline sa femme” recognised the freedoms of the forest adjacent to the monastery of Eparcy by charter dated 1174[800]. The Breve Chronicon Buciliensis records that “Nicolaus dominus de Rumigniaco” settled disputes with the church of Bucilly in 1181, with the agreement of “Hugo frater ipsius Nicolai”, and with “dominus Jacobus de Guisia, dominus Raynaldus de Roseto et dominus Nicolaus de Barbenchon” as guarantors[801]. "The bravest knight in Flanders", he left on crusade in [Sep] 1189[802]. He arrived off Acre in [Nov] 1189 and took part in the siege of the town[803]. He was killed in battle fighting Saladin with Richard I King of England[804]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Iacobus de Avethnia" among those who died in Palestine in [1191][805]. The Chronicle of Ernoul records that "Jakemes d'Avesnes li bons chevaliers" was killed fighting the Muslims at Arsuf[806]. The Annales Aquicinctini record that "Iacobus de Avesnis" was killed by Saracens in 1192[807]. The necrology of Brogne records the death "VII Id Sep" of "domnus Jacobus de Avenes"[808].
     "m ([1163/68]) ADELINE de Guise, daughter of BOUCHARD Seigneur de Guise & his wife --- (-after 1200). The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Adelviam Buchardi de Guisa filiam" as wife of "Iacobum [filium Nicholai…de Avethnes]"[809]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" married "Adeluyam unicam filiam Bouchardi domini de Guisia"[810]. The Breve Chronicon Buciliensis records that “Adeluya domina Guisiæ” donated property to Bucilly in 1196 for the soul of “mariti sui Jacobi de Avenis”, with the consent of “Gualteri filii sui cæterorum liberorum suorum”[811]. “Jacobus dominus de Landreceis filius magni Jacobi domini de Avesnis et de Guisia” granted freedoms to the town of Landrecies, with the consent of “Addelinæ matris meæ et domini fratris mei Walteri de Avesnis et Nicolai de Etroeungt”, by charter dated 1200[812]."
Med Lands cites:
[794] Genealogica comitum Buloniensium MGH SS IX, p. 301.
[795] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[796] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[797] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.
[798] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 536.
[799] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, pp. 520, 522-3.
[800] Barthélemy, E. de (1879) Analyse du cartulaire de l’abbaye de Foigny (Vervins) (“Foigny (1879)”), IV, p. 8.
[801] Demarsy, A. (1870) Breve Chronicon Abbatiæ Buciliensis (Laon) (“Breve Chronicon Buciliensis”), p. 14.
[802] Stubbs, W. (ed.) (1847) Gesta Regis Henrici Secundi Benedicti Abbatis, The Chronicle of the reigns of Henry II and Richard I 1169-1192, known commonly under the name of Benedict of Peterborough (London) (“Benedict of Peterborough”) Vol. II, p. 94, cited in Runciman (1978), Vol. 3, p. 9.
[803] RHC, Historiens occidentaux II, Historia Rerum in partibus transmarinis gestarum ("L'estoire de Eracles Empereur et la conqueste de la terre d'Outremer"), Continuator (“WTC”) XXIV.XVII, p. 127.
[804] WTC XXVI.VII, p. 185.
[805] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 579.
[806] Mas Latrie, M. L. (ed.) (1871) Chronique d'Ernoul et de Bernard le Trésorier (Paris) (“Ernoul”), 24, p. 283.
[807] Annales Aquicinctini 1192, MGH SS XVI, p. 505.
[808] Brogne Necrology, p. 340.
[809] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[810] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 560.
[811] Breve Chronicon Buciliensis, p. 16.
[812] Reiffenberg (1844), Tome I, Cartulaires de Hainaut, XVI, p. 330.13


; Per Racines et Histoire (Avesnes): “Jacques 1er d’Avesnes ° ~1150 (Avesnes) +X 07/09/1191 (Arsuf, Palestine, en X Saladin avec Richard 1er d’Angleterre) seigneur d’Avesnes, Condé, Leuze, Landrecies
Trelon et Guise, croisé (09/1189), X 1189 (siège d’Acre) «Le plus brave chevalier des Flandres»
ép. après 1163/68 & dès 1185 (~1180 ?) Adeline (Adelvie, Ameline, Adélaïde) de Guise ° ~1159 + 1185 (Guise) (fille de Bouchard, seigneur de Guise (~1155) et d’Alix) (citée dans une charte de fondation en mémoire de son défunt mari 1196)”

Per Racines et Histoire (Guise): “Adeline (Améline, Adelvia, Adeluya) de Guise ° ~1159 + 1196 ou peu après (1204 ?) dame de Guise (d’abord sous tutelle de son oncle Godefroi ; donation en 1196 à Bucilly pour l’âme de son époux défunt, du consentement de son fils Gauthier & de ses autres enfants)
ép. après 1163/68 & avant 1185 (~1180 ?) Jacques 1er d’Avesnes ° ~1150 (Avesnes) +X 07/09/1191 (Arsuf, Palestine) seigneur d’Avesnes, Condé, Leuze, Landrecies, Trelon et Guise, croisé (09/1189) (fils de Nicolas, seigneur d’Avesnes, et de Mahaut de La Roche)”.4,5 EDV-22 GKJ-23.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Genealogie der Graven van Holland, Zaltbommel, 1969 , Dek, Dr. A. W. E. 36.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELINE de Guise (-after 1200). The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Adelviam Buchardi de Guisa filiam" as wife of "Iacobum [filium Nicholai…de Avethnes]"[451]. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" married "Adeluyam unicam filiam Bouchardi domini de Guisia"[452]. The Breve Chronicon Buciliensis records that “Adeluya domina Guisiæ” donated property to Bucilly in 1196 for the soul of “mariti sui Jacobi de Avenis”, with the consent of “Gualteri filii sui cæterorum liberorum suorum”[453]. “Jacobus dominus de Landreceis filius magni Jacobi domini de Avesnis et de Guisia” granted freedoms to the town of Landrecies, with the consent of “Addelinæ matris meæ et domini fratris mei Walteri de Avesnis et Nicolai de Etroeungt”, by charter dated 1200[454].
     "m ([1163/68]) JACQUES d'Avesnes, son of NICOLAS Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Mahaut de la Roche ([1150]-killed in battle Arsuf, Palestine 7 Sep 1191)."
Med Lands cites:
[451] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 511.
[452] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF, Tome XIII, p. 560.
[453] Breve Chronicon Buciliensis, p. 16.
[454] Reiffenberg (1844), Tome I, Cartulaires de Hainaut, XVI, p. 330.6

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Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes1,2

F, #20722, b. 1180, d. 23 September 1216
FatherJacques (?) seigneur d'Avesnes, Leuse, Conde and Guise3,4,5,6,7,8 b. c 1150, d. 7 Sep 1191
MotherAdelvie/Ameline (?) de Guise1,9,5,4,3,6,8,10 b. 1159, d. 1207
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited7 Dec 2020
     Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes was born in 1180.2,11 She married Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien, son of Englebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien, and Elizabeth van de Aa, before 2 December 1193;
His 2nd (?) wife.12,5,4,13,3,6
Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes died on 23 September 1216; Racines et Histoire (Avesnes) and Genealogics says d. ca 23 Sep 1216; Med Lands says d. 22 Sep aft 1215.2,11,6
     EDV-24 GKJ-23.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/1:50.3 She and Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien were Per Med Lands:
     "IDA [Adelaide] d'Avesnes (-22 Sep, after 1215). There is some confusion about the name of the wife of Engelbert [III] d’Enghien. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "tertia…filia…Adeluya" married "domino de Enghien Engelberto" by whom she had one son and two daughters and naming their descendants[829]. She is named Ida in the following documents. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193[830]. "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged “decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines” to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of “dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonis de Gavre junioris”, by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.)[831]. "Engelbertus dominus d’Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of “uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo”, by charter dated 1215[832]. Miræus records the death “X Kal Oct” of "Ida domina de Angien", her burial at Bellingen, and her donation of “decimam de Broiges...terræ arabulis apud Herines”[833]. Butkens (without citing any primary sources) names "Ide d’Avesnes" as the first wife of Engelbert and "Adelive d’Oudenaerden" (sister of “Gisbert Sire d’Audenarde”, by whom he says Engelbert was childless) as his second[834]. As Gislebert Heer van Oudenaarde was recorded as deceased in 1181 (see the document FLANDERS NOBILITY), Butkens’s suggestion appears unlikely to be correct. No source has been found which indicates any connection between the Enghien and Oudenaarde families, apart from the May 1246 quoted below under Engelbert’s son Sohier.
     "m ENGELBERT [III] Seigneur d'Enghien, son of ENGELBERT [II] d’Enghien & his wife Elisabeth --- (-22 Feb [1244/1246])."
Med Lands cites:
[829] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, pp. 560-1.
[830] Van De Perre, D. ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’, Het Land van Alst, Tome 69 (2017), Bijlage 2, p. 196, consulted at (3 Apr 2020).
[831] Duvivier (1903), 196, p. 357.
[832] Butkens (1724), Vol. II, p. 114.
[833] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CLVII, p. 742.
[834] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, p. 608, and Vol. II, p. 119.6


; Per Genealogy.EU (Avesnes): “Ida d’Avesnes ° ~1180 + 23/09/1266
     ép. Englebert IV d’Enghien ° ~1185 + ~1242 ”.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "ENGELBERT [III] d'Enghien, son of ENGELBERT [II] Seigneur d’Enghien & his wife Elisabeth --- (-22 Feb [1244/46]). His parentage is confirmed by the following charter: “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem, Walterus et Gerardus de Adengem, Ingelbertus filius eius” witnessed a charter dated 1189[1273]. [Baudouin IX Count of Flanders granted himself “advocatiam” of Ninove and confirmed many donations, including the donation of “quatuor bonaria terræ” made by “Ingelbertus de Adenghem” with the consent of “filii sui Ingelberti”, by charter dated 1201[1274]. It is assumed that this donation was made many years earlier by Engelbert [II] and his son.] “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, while “eadem Elisabeth“ also promised to obtain the consent of “Wilhelmo genero suo et uxore suo”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193, the same document recording that eight days later “præfatus dominus Ingelbertus” died “in Ninive” where he was buried and where “uxore et filiis eius Ingelberto et Gisla et uxore Ingelberti” placed their donation on the altar[1275]. Seigneur d’Enghien. The Chronicon Hanoniense records that Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut besieged "Anghien castrum" in 1191, but confirmed possession to “Engleberto de Anghien”[1276]. “Engerbertus de Anghien...” witnessed the charter dated 1196 under which Baudouin Count of Flanders confirmed the restoration of “Gislardus” at “Herinis villa” subject to rights of Mons Sainte-Waudru[1277]. “…Aegidii de Trasnis, Ingelberti de Adenghem…” witnessed the charter dated 1197 under which Baudouin IX Count of Flanders confirmed a donation to Ninove[1278]. “Ingelbertus de Aienghem” donated property “in loco...Keth in parrochia de Marcha juxta Aienghem” to Grimbergen, and confirmed “nonam partem decime de Herinis” donated by “avia mea domina Beltris de Aienghem”, for the anniversary of “patris nostri Ingelberti”, by charter dated 13 Jun 1200[1279]. “...Engelbertus de Aengien...” subscribed the charter dated 28 Jul 1200 which declared the laws of the county of Hainaut[1280]. “...Egidius de Trasiniis, Sigerus frater eius, Engelbertus de Aengien, Egidius de Brena, Alexander de Stenkirca...” witnessed the charter dated 1201 under which Baudouin IX Count of Flanders confirmed “decimis apud Dergnau et apud Gage” to Cambron[1281]. "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged “decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines” to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of “dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonis de Gavre junioris”, by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.)[1282]. “Englebertus dominus de Angien” confirmed the donation made to Cambron by “Wichardus de Escausines homo meus” by charter dated to [1207], subscribed by “Petri de Saintes, Galteri de Longerue, Henrici avunculi mei, Balduini de Ham, Nicholai de Ronkieres, hominum meorum...”[1283]. “Englebertus dominus de Engien” confirmed the donation made to Cambron by “Hawidis de Runchieres et Henricus filius eius” by charter dated 1212[1284]. “Englebertus de Aengien” donated “partem decime...apud Papengien” to Cambron by charter dated 4 Aug 1213, witnessed by “Sigerus filius meus...”[1285]. “Engelbertus dominus de Aienghien” confirmed the donation of "vi bonaria quæ jacent in parochia Anderlechtensi" to Voorst abbey made by "Elisabeth mater mea piæ memoriæ" by charter dated 1214, witnessed by “Castellani de Bruxella, Leonii domini de Aa...”[1286]. "Engelbertus dominus d’Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of “uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo”, by charter dated 1215[1287]. “Ingelbertus dominus de Aengien” donated “terram...et nemus de Bouttegnies in parochia de Roncheres” to Cambron, with the consent of “filiorum meorum Sygeri et Jacobi”, by charter dated May 1218[1288]. “Engelbert seigneur d’Aengin” donated “la dîme de Parvo Aengin” to Saint-Denis-en-Broqueroie, reserving usufruct to “son fils Hugues clerc chanoine de Tournai”, by charter dated May 1219, sealed by “Sohier son fils aîné”[1289]. “Engelbertus dominus de Angien” confirmed the donation of property “in territorio de Lembeke” made by “pie memorie Jacobus filius meus” to Cambrai, with the consent of “fratris sui alterius filii mei Sygeri”, by charter dated 1223[1290]. The testament of “Ingelbertus D[ominus] de Aienghien”, dated Mar 1224 (O.S.) in the presence of “Sigero filio meo primogenito”, ordered the payment of debts of his debts “necnon uxoris mee et filii mei Jacobi”, chose burial in “ecclesie de Bellinghen”, sealed by “sigillum Sigeri filii mei et sigillum Ostonis Patrui cum meo”[1291]. “Engelbertus dominus de Enghien” confirmed the donation made to "ecclesiæ de Cantiprato" made by "dominus Joannes de Monte miles", with the consent of "Sigerus primogenitus domini de Enghien", by charter dated Jun 1234[1292]. “Englebertus dominus de Aenghien” confirmed the donation of revenue from land “in parrochia de Brege” to Mons Sainte-Waudru, with the consent of “Sygeri militis filii et heredis mei”, by charter dated Nov 1242[1293]. "Ingelbertus dominus de Aynghem" confirmed the donation of land "in loco...Helbergh" to Ninove made by "dominus Cauderon miles de Boscho" by charter dated Sep 1243[1294]. Miræus records the death “VIII Kal Mar” of "Engelbertus dominus de Angien", his donation, and his request “ad extremum” for burial at Bellingen, presumably extracted from the necrology of Bellingen although he does not specify this[1295]. He presumably died before May 1246, the date of the charter of his son Sohier quoted below.
     "m (before [2] Dec 1193) IDA [Adelaide] d’Avesnes, daughter of JACQUES Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Adeline de Guise (-22 Sep, after 1215). There is some confusion about the name of Engelbert [III]’s wife. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "tertia…filia…Adeluya" married "domino de Enghien Engelberto"[1296]. She is named Ida in the following documents. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193[1297]. "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged “decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines” to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of “dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonis de Gavre junioris”, by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.)[1298]. "Engelbertus dominus d’Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of “uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo”, by charter dated 1215[1299]. Miræus records the death “X Kal Oct” of "Ida domina de Angien", her burial at Bellingen, and her donation of “decimam de Broiges...terræ arabulis apud Herines”[1300]. Butkens (without citing any primary sources) names "Ide d’Avesnes" as the first wife of Engelbert and "Adelive d’Oudenaerden" (sister of “Gisbert Sire d’Audenarde”, by whom he says Engelbert was childless) as his second[1301]. As Gislebert Heer van Oudenaarde was recorded as deceased in 1181 (see the document FLANDERS NOBILITY), Butkens’s suggestion appears unlikely to be correct. No source has been found which indicates any connection between the Enghien and Oudenaarde families, apart from the May 1246 quoted below under Engelbert’s son Sohier."
Med Lands cites:
[1273] Roobaert & Vanhollebeke ‘Le Liber Chronotaxis’ (2003), Tableau, p. 23, citing “acte 6, p. 143” [AE Gand, Abbaye Ninove, 70, fo. 143].
[1274] Præmonstratensis Annales (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccxxxviii.
[1275] Van De Perre ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’ (2017), Bijlage 2, p. 196.
[1276] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 578.
[1277] Mons Sainte-Waudru, Tome I, XXXIII, p. 59.
[1278] Ninove, LXXV, p. 810.
[1279] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome XI, Documents extraits du cartulaire de Grimberghen, VII, p. 19.
[1280] Devillers (1869), Tome IV, p. 8.
[1281] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Lumbisa, XXI, p. 750.
[1282] Duvivier (1903), 196, p. 357.
[1283] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Hauruth, V, p. 559.
[1284] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Hauruth, IX, p. 562.
[1285] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Lumbisa, XLVII, p. 770.
[1286] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Notitia Ecclesiarum Belgii, CLXXXII, p. 757.
[1287] Butkens (1724), Vol. II, p. 114.
[1288] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Hauruth, XXII, p. 573.
[1289] Devillers (1869), Tome V, XLI, p. 133.
[1290] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Hauruth, XXVI, p. 576.
[1291] Vanhollebeke ‘Le testament d’Engelbert d’Enghien’ (2004), p. 10.
[1292] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Notitia Ecclesiarum Belgii, CLXXIII, p. 752.
[1293] Mons Sainte-Waudru, Tome I, CXXII, p. 193.
[1294] Smet, J. J. (1841) Recueil des chroniques de Flandre (Brussels), Tome II, Appendices, Codex diplomaticus abbatiæ Ninoviensis ("Ninove (Smet, Tome II)"), CXCI, p. 887.
[1295] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CLVII, p. 742.
[1296] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, pp. 560-1.
[1297] Van De Perre ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’ (2017), Bijlage 2, p. 196.
[1298] Duvivier (1903), 196, p. 357.
[1299] Butkens (1724), Vol. II, p. 114.
[1300] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CLVII, p. 742.
[1301] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, p. 608, and Vol. II, p. 119.13

; Per Racines et Histoire (Enghien): “Englebert III d’Enghien ° ~1160 + 23/02/1244 (teste 03/1225) chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien (reconstruit la forteresse d’Enghien début XIII° ; nombreux dons à l’Abbaye de Cambron ; allié du duc de Louvain, il doit finalement se soumettre au comte de Hainaut ; témoin d’un acte du comte de Hainaut 03-04/1189)
     ép. 1) ~1200 Ide (Adelaïde, Adelheide) d’Audenaerde ° ~1185 (fille d’Arnould III ou de Gilbert II et de Richilde van Peteghem ; demi-soeur d’Alix de Zotteghem, épouse de Sohier d’Enghien)
     ép. 2) Ide d’Avesnes ° ~1180 + 23/09 ou 19/10/1217 (fille de Jacques et d’Améline de Guise (ou d’Henri, Châtelain de Mons-en-Havré ?)”.4

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32434
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
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  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#JacquesAvesnesdied1191
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  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ameline de Guise: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020644&tree=LEO
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  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIVEnghiendied1242
  14. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32347
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  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115604&tree=LEO
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  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelive d'Enghien: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164687&tree=LEO

Gobert VII d'Aspremont Sire d'Aspremont, de Dun et de Rouvres1,2,3

M, #20723, b. circa 1217, d. between 24 August 1278 and April 1280
FatherSaint Gobert VI d'Aspremont Sire d'Aspremont et de Dun4,2,5,3 b. c 1187, d. c 20 Aug 1263
MotherJulienne de Rozoy Dame de Chaumont2,6,5,3 d. a Jun 1251
Last Edited4 Nov 2020
     Gobert VII d'Aspremont Sire d'Aspremont, de Dun et de Rouvres was born circa 1217.7 He married Agnès de Coucy, daughter of Thomas II de Coucy Seigneur de Vervins and Mahaut/Maud de Réthel Dame de Trie-le-Badoul, in 1254.1,2,3,8,9,10
Gobert VII d'Aspremont Sire d'Aspremont, de Dun et de Rouvres died between 24 August 1278 and April 1280.2,3
     ; Per Racines et Histoire (Coucy): “Agnès de Coucy ° avant 1248 + 1277
     ép. ~1254 (ou plutôt 1258 ?) Gobert VII d’Aspremont + 1279 (fils de Gobert VI et de Julienne de Rozoy)”.8

; Per Med Lands:
     "AGNES de Coucy (-1277). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “frater eius Gobbertus” succeeded "primogenitus Joffridus” (of “Juliana" and "domino Goberto de Asperomonte") married “Agnete filia domini Thomæ de Couchi” and had “duos...filios...primogeniti Joffridus et alterius Thomas” (who married “duas sorores, filias domini de Kieverain”) and “duas filias”[321]. “Gobert sire d’Aspremont” agreed the dower of “Agnès sa femme” over “la moitié de toute sa terre et un château à son choix” by charter dated Apr 1255[322]. “Gobert sire d’Aspremont et Agnès sa femme” renounced the succession of “feu Mgr Thomas de Coucy sire de Vervins leur père et de Mad. Mahault sa veuve leur mère” in favour of “Mgr Thomas de Coucy leur frère Sgr de Vervins”, noting that the last named had granted revenue from “Pertes, Châtillon-sur-Bar, Poix et Parfondeval” as dowry, by charter dated May 1259[323].
     "m ([1254]) GOBERT [VII] Seigneur d'Aspremont, son of GOBERT [VI] Seigneur d’Aspremont & his wife Juliane de Rozoy (-[24 Aug 1278/Apr 1280], bur Verdun Franciscan convent)."
Med Lands cites:
[321] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, pp. 561.
[322] Dom Villevieille (Passier), Tome III, p. 261.
[323] Dom Villevieille (Passier), Tome III, p. 261.10


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XI 36, 37.2

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
     "Gobert VII d'Apremont, (vers 1217 - 1279), seigneur d'Apremont, de Dun et de Rouvres, il participe au tournoi de Chauvency en 1285 et part avec ses frères à la croisade de Louis IX3.
     "Il épouse en 1254 Agnès, (? - 1277), fille de Thomas II de Coucy, seigneur de Vervins fils de Raoul Ier de Coucy, et de Mahaut de Rethel, fille de Hugues II comte de Rethel, puis en secondes noces Marie de Belrain. Du premier mariage il a :
** Geoffroi III qui suit,
** Thomas, (vers 1259 - 1299), seigneur de Chaumont-en-Porcien, il participe au tournoi de Chauvency en 1285, il épouse Jeanne de Quiévrain,
** Mahaut, (vers 1270 - 1329), elle assiste au tournoi de Chauvency en 1285 avec Isabelle de Quiévrain, elle épouse en 1324 Jean Ier de Sarrebruck-Commercy,
** Agnès, elle épouse Henri de Forbach,
** Adèle, elle épouse Wauthier III de Lignange,
** Jeanne, (vers 1260 - après 1321), il participe au tournoi de Chauvency en 1285, elle épouse en 1282 Frédéric IV von Leiningen, (vers 1245 - 1316),
** Jean III, dit « de Richecourt », évêque de Verdun de 1297 à 1302."7


; Per Med Lands:
     "GOBERT [VII] d’Aspremont (-[24 Aug 1278/Apr 1280], bur Verdun Franciscan convent). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “frater eius Gobbertus” succeeded "primogenitus Joffridus” (of “Juliana" and "domino Goberto de Asperomonte")[706]. The testament of “Joffrois cunes de Salebruges, sires d’Apremont”, dated Jan 1249 (O.S.) “en Egypte près de la Messoire”, appointed as his heir “mon signour Gobert mon frère...sauf le douaire Lorette ma femme contesse de Salebruges”, and names “Jehan mon frère prevost de Montfaucon”, witnessed by “li evesques de Soissons, messires Jehans de Joinville senechaus de Champaigne, li sires de la Fesche”[707]. Seigneur d’Aspremont. “Gobert sire d’Apremont et de Dun, Julienne Dame de Dun sa mère, Richard de Prouville et Richard son fils” disenfranchised “le lieu de Lyon, devant Dun” by letters dated Apr 1251[708]. “Julienne Dame d’Aspremont” acknowledged holding “[le] tiers de Chaumont qui avoit appartenu à Roger de Roset son frère” from the Comte de Champagne, naming “Gobert Sgr d’Apremont son fils” as guarantor, by charter dated Jun 1251[709]. “Jn d’Audenarde sire de Rosoy” donated “tout ce que sa sœur Marie Dame de Beauregnies veuve de Godefroy de Louvain tenoit de luy en fief en la ville de Wasegnies” to “Gobert sire d’Aspremont son cousin” by charter dated 1265[710].
     "m ([1254]) AGNES de Coucy, daughter of THOMAS de Coucy Seigneur de Vervins & his wife Mathilde de Rethel (-1277). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “frater eius Gobbertus” succeeded "primogenitus Joffridus” (of “Juliana" and "domino Goberto de Asperomonte") married “Agnete filia domini Thomæ de Couchi” and had “duos...filios...primogeniti Joffridus et alterius Thomas” (who married “duas sorores, filias domini de Kieverain”) and “duas filias”[711]. “Gobert sire d’Aspremont” agreed the dower of “Agnès sa femme” over “la moitié de toute sa terre et un château à son choix” by charter dated Apr 1255[712]. “Gobert sire d’Aspremont et Agnès sa femme” renounced the succession of “feu Mgr Thomas de Coucy sire de Vervins leur père et de Mad. Mahault sa veuve leur mère” in favour of “Mgr Thomas de Coucy leur frère Sgr de Vervins”, noting that the last named had granted revenue from “Pertes, Châtillon-sur-Bar, Poix et Parfondeval” as dowry, by charter dated May 1259[713]."
Med Lands cites:
[706] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, pp. 561.
[707] Documents Vosges, Tome VIII, p. 13.
[708] Dom Villevieille (Passier), Tome III, p. 260.
[709] Dom Villevieille (Passier), Tome III, p. 260.
[710] Dom Villevieille (Passier), Tome III, p. 261.
[711] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, pp. 561.
[712] Dom Villevieille (Passier), Tome III, p. 261.
[713] Dom Villevieille (Passier), Tome III, p. 261.3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Coucy 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/coucy1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gobert VII: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028221&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#GobertVIIAspremontdied1278. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gobert VI: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027120&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#GobertVIAspremontdied1263B
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Julienne de Rozoy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027121&tree=LEO
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Aspremont: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Aspremont. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, seigneurs de Coucy Boves & Vervins, Montmirail (alias Montmirel) & Chimay, p. 11: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Coucy.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Coucy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028222&tree=LEO
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  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut d'Aspremont: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079356&tree=LEO
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Jeanne d'Aspremont-Briey: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105511&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jeanne d'Aspremont-Briey: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105511&tree=LEO

Elisabeth (?) de Peteghem1

F, #20724
FatherJean I van Peteghem Seigneur de Peteghem & Cysoing2,3 d. b 1154
MotherPéronelle d’Oisy (?) d'Avesnes4,2
ReferenceGKJ24
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Elisabeth (?) de Peteghem married Jean I de Nesle Burggraaf of Brugge, Sire de Nesle, son of Raoul (?) seigneur de Nesle, chatelain de Bruges and Gertrude (?) de Montaigu.1,5
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 16.1 GKJ-24.

Family

Jean I de Nesle Burggraaf of Brugge, Sire de Nesle d. bt 1197 - 1200
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Peteghem: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139965&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121884&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Petronille d'Avesnes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121885&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean I de Nesle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139964&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Coucy 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/coucy1.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ade de Nesle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028234&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#JeanNesledied1239. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Yolande de Lusignan1

F, #20725, d. 10 November 1305
FatherHugues XI "le Brun" de Lusignan Comte de la Marche et Angouleme,Comte de Ponthieu1 b. c 1221, d. Apr 1250
MotherYolande de Dreux Cts de Penthievre et de Porhoet1 b. 1218, d. 10 Oct 1272
Last Edited12 Apr 2009
     Yolande de Lusignan married Pierre 1 (?) seigneur de Préaux.1
Yolande de Lusignan died on 10 November 1305.1

Family

Pierre 1 (?) seigneur de Préaux

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Angouleme.pdf, p.8. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Geoffroi III de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher et de Cosne,comte de Gien1,2,3

M, #20726, b. circa 1110, d. between 1157 and 1158
FatherHervé II de Donzy seigneur de Donzy et Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher, comte de Châlons4,3 b. c 1065, d. bt 1120 - 1121
MotherMahaut Le Blanc de La Ferté-Milon4,3
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited7 Nov 2020
     Geoffroi III de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher et de Cosne,comte de Gien married Garne de Toucy, daughter of Hugues Le Manceau (?) and Béatrice de Toucy.3 Geoffroi III de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher et de Cosne,comte de Gien was born circa 1110.5
Geoffroi III de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher et de Cosne,comte de Gien died between 1157 and 1158.1,6,5
     EDV-26.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 435.1 Geoffroi III de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher et de Cosne,comte de Gien was also known as Godefroi seigneur de Donzy, de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher et de.7

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy III de Donzy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139710&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005: "Le Bouteiller/Breaute (Baillon)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ) to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005."
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hervé II de Donzy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139706&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 2.
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Blois-Champagne.pdf, p. 7.
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 4.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hervé III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036179&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdnevers.htm#HerveIIIdied1187B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Blois 1 page ("THE HOUSE OF CHAMPAGNE-BLOIS"): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/blois/blois1.html#B2T1
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Blois 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/blois/blois3.html
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermesinde de Donzy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164585&tree=LEO

Hervé III de Donzy comte de Gien, Baron de Donzy, seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir et Saint-Aignan1,2,3

M, #20727, b. circa 1130, d. 1187
FatherGeoffroi III de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher et de Cosne,comte de Gien4,5,3,6,7 b. c 1110, d. bt 1157 - 1158
MotherGarne de Toucy3,7 b. c 1112, d. 1151
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited24 Nov 2020
     Hervé III de Donzy comte de Gien, Baron de Donzy, seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir et Saint-Aignan was born circa 1130.3 He married Mathilde/Maud Gouët d’Alluyes de Montmirail dame de Montmirail, Alluyes, Brou, Authon, Bazoche, daughter of Guillaume IV Gouët d’Alluyes seigneur d’Alluyes et Montmirail, baron du Perche-Gouët and Isabelle/Elizabeth de Blois de Blois-Champagne, in 1169;
His 1st wife.2,3,8,9,6,7 Hervé III de Donzy comte de Gien, Baron de Donzy, seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir et Saint-Aignan married Clemence de Bourgogne Dame de Donzy, daughter of Hugues II Borel (?) Duc de Bourgogne and Mathilde/Maud de Mayenne;
His 2nd wife.10,3,6,11
Hervé III de Donzy comte de Gien, Baron de Donzy, seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir et Saint-Aignan died in 1187.10,2,6,7
     EDV-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/3 435.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "HERVE [III] de Donzy, son of GEOFFROY [III] Seigneur de Donzy & his second wife Garna de Toucy (-1187). The Historia Gloriosi Regis Ludovici VII records that "Gaufridus de Giemago…Herveus filius eiusdem Gaufridi" objected to his father granting the castle of Gien to his sister as dowry when she married "Stephano de Sancerro"[356]. Gervais abbé de Saint-Germain d'Auxerre and "Gaufredum Donziacum" reached agreements relating to Diges, with the consent of "B…uxor Gaufredi et duo filii eius, Herveus…et Gaufredus", by charter dated 1151[357]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Donzy. “Hugo de La Ferté cognomento Blancus, qui ex parte matris, domini Gaufridi de Donziaco” donated property to La Charité-sur-Loire, approved by “præfatus dominus Gaufridus de Donziaco…cum duobus filiis Herveo et Gaufrido” by charter dated 1151[358]. “Herveus de Donziaco” donated property to La Charité-sur-Loire, with the approval of “Guillelmus Goet et Philippus, filii mei”, by charter dated 1187[359].
     "m firstly MATHILDE Goët, daughter of GUILLAUME [IV] Goët de Montmirail Seigneur d'Alluis & his wife Isabelle de Blois (-22 Jan ----). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not been identified. Robert of Torigny names "Herveus de Juen" as husband of "Guillermus Goeth…primogenitam filiam natam ex una sororem comitis Teobaldi"[360].
     "m secondly ---. The primary source which confirms this second marriage has not been identified. "
Med Lands cites:
[356] Historia Gloriosi Regis Ludovici VII, RHGF, Tome XII, p. 128.
[357] Histoire d’Auxerre (1850), Tome IV, p. 41.
[358] La Charité-sur-Loire LVIII, p. 140.
[359] La Charité-sur-Loire LXXVI, p. 171.
[360] Robert de Torigny, Vol. II, p. 15.7


; Per Racines et Histoire (Donzy): "Hervé III de Donzy ° ~1130 + 1187 baron de Donzy, comte de Gien (avant 1158), seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir et Saint-Aignan
     ép. 1) 1167 Mathilde Gouët de Montmirail ° 1153 (Tours)dame de Montmirail, Alluye, Brou, Authou et Bazoches-du-Perche (fille de Guillaume III Gouët d’Alluyes et d’Elisabeth de Blois)
     ép. 2) Clémence de Bourgogne ° ~1130."12

; Per Racines et Histoire (Alluyes): "Mathilde d’Alluyes ° 1153 (Tours) + après 1180 dame de Montmirail, Alluyes, Brou, Authon, Bazoche
ép.1169 Henri (Hervé) III de Donzy + 1187 comte de Gien (avant 1158), baron de Donzy (1158), seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir et Saint-Aignan en Berry (1158) (renforce le château d’Alluyes et met les douves en eau par un détournement du Loir ; son petit-fils & successeur, Gaucher de Châtillon achèvera le donjon ~1240/50)"

Per Racines et Histoire (Montmirail): "Mathilde (alias Mabile) Gouët d’Alluyes ° 1153 (Tours) + un 22/01 dame de Montmirail (72), Authon-du-Perche (28), La Bazoche-Gouët (28), Brou (28) et Alluyes (28)
ép.1169 Hervé III de Donzy + 1187 comte de Gien (avant 1158), 8° baron de Donzy (58, 1158), Cosne-Cours-sur-Loire (58), Châtel-Censoir (89), Gien (45), Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher (en Berry, 41, 1158), Selles-sur-Cher (41), Romorantin (41) et Vatan (36) (fils de Geoffroi III, seigneur de Donzy et de Garne de Toucy.)13,14"

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hervé III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036179&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 4.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy III de Donzy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139710&tree=LEO
  5. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005: "Le Bouteiller/Breaute (Baillon)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ) to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005."
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hervé III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036179&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdnevers.htm#HerveIIIdied1187B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde/Mabille Goét: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036180&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#dauGuillaumeGoetMHerveIIIDonzy
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 9 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet9.html
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clemence de Bourgogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036184&tree=LEO
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Donzy & de Vergy, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy-Vergy.pdf
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs d’ Alluyes, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Montmirail (Gouët), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Montmirail-Gouet.pdf
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adele de Nevers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165054&tree=LEO
  16. [S1546] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson 26 Aug email "More Kinsfolk: Hervé de Donzy and his wife, Mahaut de Courtenay"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Aug 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 26 Aug 2003."
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdnevers.htm#HerveIVDonzydied1222

Mathilde/Maud Gouët d’Alluyes de Montmirail dame de Montmirail, Alluyes, Brou, Authon, Bazoche1,2,3,4

F, #20728, b. 1153
FatherGuillaume IV Gouët d’Alluyes seigneur d’Alluyes et Montmirail, baron du Perche-Gouët5,3,4,6,7,8,9 b. 1125, d. c 1170
MotherIsabelle/Elizabeth de Blois de Blois-Champagne5,3,4,10,7,8,9 b. 1130, d. a 1180
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited24 Nov 2020
     Mathilde/Maud Gouët d’Alluyes de Montmirail dame de Montmirail, Alluyes, Brou, Authon, Bazoche was born in 1153 at Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now).3,4 She married Hervé III de Donzy comte de Gien, Baron de Donzy, seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir et Saint-Aignan, son of Geoffroi III de Donzy seigneur de Donzy, de Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher et de Cosne,comte de Gien and Garne de Toucy, in 1169;
His 1st wife.3,4,8,9,11,12
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "HERVE [III] de Donzy, son of GEOFFROY [III] Seigneur de Donzy & his second wife Garna de Toucy (-1187). The Historia Gloriosi Regis Ludovici VII records that "Gaufridus de Giemago…Herveus filius eiusdem Gaufridi" objected to his father granting the castle of Gien to his sister as dowry when she married "Stephano de Sancerro"[356]. Gervais abbé de Saint-Germain d'Auxerre and "Gaufredum Donziacum" reached agreements relating to Diges, with the consent of "B…uxor Gaufredi et duo filii eius, Herveus…et Gaufredus", by charter dated 1151[357]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Donzy. “Hugo de La Ferté cognomento Blancus, qui ex parte matris, domini Gaufridi de Donziaco” donated property to La Charité-sur-Loire, approved by “præfatus dominus Gaufridus de Donziaco…cum duobus filiis Herveo et Gaufrido” by charter dated 1151[358]. “Herveus de Donziaco” donated property to La Charité-sur-Loire, with the approval of “Guillelmus Goet et Philippus, filii mei”, by charter dated 1187[359].
     "m firstly MATHILDE Goët, daughter of GUILLAUME [IV] Goët de Montmirail Seigneur d'Alluis & his wife Isabelle de Blois (-22 Jan ----). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not been identified. Robert of Torigny names "Herveus de Juen" as husband of "Guillermus Goeth…primogenitam filiam natam ex una sororem comitis Teobaldi"[360].
     "m secondly ---. The primary source which confirms this second marriage has not been identified. "
Med Lands cites:
[356] Historia Gloriosi Regis Ludovici VII, RHGF, Tome XII, p. 128.
[357] Histoire d’Auxerre (1850), Tome IV, p. 41.
[358] La Charité-sur-Loire LVIII, p. 140.
[359] La Charité-sur-Loire LXXVI, p. 171.
[360] Robert de Torigny, Vol. II, p. 15.12


; Per Racines et Histoire (Donzy): "Hervé III de Donzy ° ~1130 + 1187 baron de Donzy, comte de Gien (avant 1158), seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir et Saint-Aignan
     ép. 1) 1167 Mathilde Gouët de Montmirail ° 1153 (Tours)dame de Montmirail, Alluye, Brou, Authou et Bazoches-du-Perche (fille de Guillaume III Gouët d’Alluyes et d’Elisabeth de Blois)
     ép. 2) Clémence de Bourgogne ° ~1130."13

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE Goët (-22 Jan ----). "Guillaume Goët", on leaving on crusade, confirmed a donation to Gué-de-Launay abbey made by “Bodard de Saint-Michel”, with the consent of “sa femme Isabelle et de ses filles Mathilde et Agnes”, by charter dated 1168[829]. Robert of Torigny names "Herveus de Juen" as husband of "Guillermus Goeth…primogenitam filiam natam ex una sororem comitis Teobaldi"[830].
     "m as his first wife, HERVE [III] Seigneur de Donzy, son of GEOFFROY [III] Seigneur de Donzy & his second wife Garna de Toucy (-1187). "
Med Lands cites:
[829] Tiron Sainte-Trinité, Tome II, p. 79 footnote 1, quoting Archives de la Sarthe, H 84 à H 87.
[830] Robert de Torigny, Vol. II, p. 15.9


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/3 435.8

; Per Racines et Histoire (Alluyes): "Mathilde d’Alluyes ° 1153 (Tours) + après 1180 dame de Montmirail, Alluyes, Brou, Authon, Bazoche
ép.1169 Henri (Hervé) III de Donzy + 1187 comte de Gien (avant 1158), baron de Donzy (1158), seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir et Saint-Aignan en Berry (1158) (renforce le château d’Alluyes et met les douves en eau par un détournement du Loir ; son petit-fils & successeur, Gaucher de Châtillon achèvera le donjon ~1240/50)"

Per Racines et Histoire (Montmirail): "Mathilde (alias Mabile) Gouët d’Alluyes ° 1153 (Tours) + un 22/01 dame de Montmirail (72), Authon-du-Perche (28), La Bazoche-Gouët (28), Brou (28) et Alluyes (28)
ép.1169 Hervé III de Donzy + 1187 comte de Gien (avant 1158), 8° baron de Donzy (58, 1158), Cosne-Cours-sur-Loire (58), Châtel-Censoir (89), Gien (45), Saint-Aignan-sur-Cher (en Berry, 41, 1158), Selles-sur-Cher (41), Romorantin (41) et Vatan (36) (fils de Geoffroi III, seigneur de Donzy et de Garne de Toucy.)14,15"

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde/Mabille Goét: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036180&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1546] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson 26 Aug email "More Kinsfolk: Hervé de Donzy and his wife, Mahaut de Courtenay"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Aug 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 26 Aug 2003."
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 4.
  5. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005: "Le Bouteiller/Breaute (Baillon)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ) to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005."
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume Goét IV de Montmirail: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036181&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#GuillaumeIVGoetdied1170. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde/Mabille Goét: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036180&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#dauGuillaumeGoetMHerveIIIDonzy
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Champagne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020152&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hervé III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036179&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdnevers.htm#HerveIIIdied1187B
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Donzy & de Vergy, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy-Vergy.pdf
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs d’ Alluyes, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf
  15. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Montmirail (Gouët), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Montmirail-Gouet.pdf
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adele de Nevers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165054&tree=LEO
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hervé IV de Donzy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028327&tree=LEO
  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdnevers.htm#HerveIVDonzydied1222

Agnès de Donzy dame de Donzy, Countess de Nevers1

F, #20729, b. circa 1205, d. 1225
FatherHervé IV de Donzy Sire de Donzy, comte de Gien, seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir, Montmirail, Alluye, Authou et Brou, comte de Nevers et de Tonnerre, seigneur de Vierzon2,3,4 b. bt 1173 - 1175, d. bt 22 Jan 1222 - 1223
MotherMahaut/Maud de Courtenay Cts de Nevers, d'Auxerre et de Tonnerre4 b. 1188, d. 12 Oct 1257
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited24 Nov 2020
     Agnès de Donzy dame de Donzy, Countess de Nevers was born circa 1205.1 She married Philippe Le Lion in 1217; her 1st husband, not consummated.1 Agnès de Donzy dame de Donzy, Countess de Nevers married Guy I de Châtillon-Saint-Pol Comte de Saint-Pol, Nevers, Auxerre et Tonnerre, seigneur de Donzy, seigneur de Montjay, Troissy et Pierrefonds, son of Gaucher III de Châtillon Comte de St. Pol, Seigneur de Châtillon-sur-Marne, Croissy, Crécy, Montjay, Crécy et Pierrefonds and Elisabeth (?) Comtesse de St. Pol, in 1221.5,1
Agnès de Donzy dame de Donzy, Countess de Nevers died in 1225.1
     EDV-24.

Family 1

Philippe Le Lion b. 9 Sep 1209, d. 1218

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hervé IV de Donzy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028327&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdnevers.htm#MathildeCourtenaydied1257. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Donzy & de Vergy, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy-Vergy.pdf
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy I de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028318&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaucher de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028320&tree=LEO
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Guy I de Châtillon-Saint-Pol Comte de Saint-Pol, Nevers, Auxerre et Tonnerre, seigneur de Donzy, seigneur de Montjay, Troissy et Pierrefonds1,2

M, #20730, b. after 1196, d. 6 August 1226
FatherGaucher III de Châtillon Comte de St. Pol, Seigneur de Châtillon-sur-Marne, Croissy, Crécy, Montjay, Crécy et Pierrefonds1,3,4,5 b. c 1166, d. Oct 1219
MotherElisabeth (?) Comtesse de St. Pol1,6 b. a 1179, d. b 1240
ReferenceEDV24 GKJ24
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Guy I de Châtillon-Saint-Pol Comte de Saint-Pol, Nevers, Auxerre et Tonnerre, seigneur de Donzy, seigneur de Montjay, Troissy et Pierrefonds was born after 1196.2 He married Agnès de Donzy dame de Donzy, Countess de Nevers, daughter of Hervé IV de Donzy Sire de Donzy, comte de Gien, seigneur de Cosne, Châtel-Censoir, Montmirail, Alluye, Authou et Brou, comte de Nevers et de Tonnerre, seigneur de Vierzon and Mahaut/Maud de Courtenay Cts de Nevers, d'Auxerre et de Tonnerre, in 1221.1,2
Guy I de Châtillon-Saint-Pol Comte de Saint-Pol, Nevers, Auxerre et Tonnerre, seigneur de Donzy, seigneur de Montjay, Troissy et Pierrefonds died on 6 August 1226 at Avignon, France; killed in siege of Avignon.1,2
     EDV-24 GKJ-24.

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 17
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 203.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy I de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028318&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaucher III de Châtillon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027534&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#GaucherIIIChatillonStPoldied1219A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Châtillon (-sur-Marne) & Saint-Pol, Blois, Porcien, etc., p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chatillon.pdf
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027535&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaucher de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028320&tree=LEO
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