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     Geoffrey de Vere Lord of Clun married unknown (?)²

Geoffrey de Vere Lord of Clun died in 1170.² He married Isabel de Say, daughter of Elias de Say Lord of Clun, before 1186.^1,3

     William Boterel married Isabel de Say, daughter of Elias de Say Lord of Clun, before 1188
; her 3rd husband.^1,3
William Boterel died in 1209.²
      ; William Boterel
----------------------------------------
Death: 1209[12]

held 12 knights' fees of the Earl of Cornwall, 1166
(DD, p. 182)[12]

3rd husband of Isabel de Say [ancestress of the Earls of Arundel]
(she m. previously William fitz Alan)

Spouse: Isabel de Say
Father: Elias de Say, of Clun, co. Salop.
Marr: aft 1170[12]

Children: William (-1242)
SOURCES

12. K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants," The Boydell
Press, Woodbridge, 2002, cited by Rosie Bevan, 'Re: de
Stuteville' Jul 2, 2002, p. 723 (Osmund de Stuteville), full
title: Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons,
Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae
Baronum.²

     William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry married Christian (?)³
William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry married Isabel de Say, daughter of Elias de Say Lord of Clun.³

William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry died in 1160.¹
     GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-25.

; William fitz Alan, feudal Baron of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire and Castellan of Shrewsbury in 1138, when he was besieged in Shrewsbury Castle by KING STEPHEN but escaped, was with the EMPRESS MAUD at the siege of Winchester 1141, and was restored to his lands by her s HENRY II 1155, when he also set about recovering the Barony of Oswestry that had been retaken from his family by the Welsh under Madoc ap Maredudd, founded Haughmond Abbey, and d 1160. He m 1st, Christian (called by Ordeirc Vitalis a niece of Robert fitz Roy, Earl of Gloucester, natural s of KING HENRY I), and by her had a dau Christian (who m Hugh Pantulf). He m 2nd Isabel (who m 2nd before 11866 Geoffrey de Vere; and 3rd before 1188 William Boterel, and d c 1199), heiress of the Honour of Clun, dau of Elias de Say, Ld of Clun, and by her had a son.³

William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry lived at Oswestry, Shropshire, England.³

     Christiana Fitz Alan married Hugh Pantulph in 1170.³

     Hugh Pantulph married Christiana Fitz Alan, daughter of William Fitz Alan Baron of Oswestry and Christian (?), in 1170.¹

Hugh Pantulph died before 28 December 1224.²

     Alan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry married Aveline (?) de Hesdin, daughter of Arnulf (?) Seigneur de Hesdin and Emmelina (?).^2,4

     GAV-25 EDV-25 GKJ-26.

; ALAN fitz Flaald, feudal Baron of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire (Vicecomes for the King) from 1101, was high in favour with KING HENRY I, whom he may have aided with other Bretons when HENRY was besieged in Mont St Michel in 1091. He founded Sporle Priory in Norfolk as a cell of St Florent before 1122; m Aveline, dau of Arnulf, seigneur de Hesdin in Picardy, who held great estates in England at the time of Domesday Book in 1086, and had issue.²

     Jordan Fitz Alan married Mary (?)^1,2
Jordan Fitz Alan was born before 1130.¹
      ; Jordan, hereditary Steward of Dol, "a valiant and illustrious man'' according to his agreement with the Abbot of Marmoutier to whom he made restitution in 1130 after a disagreement; m Mary, and left two sons.²

     Mary (?) married Jordan Fitz Alan, son of Alan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry and Aveline (?) de Hesdin.^1,2

     Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland married Eschina of Huntlaw (?), daughter of Thomas de Molle of London.^1,2

Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland died in 1177.⁴
      ; WALTER FITZ ALAN, 1ST GREAT STEWARD OF SCOTLAND, was granted that hereditary office (the greatest under the Scottish Crown) with vast estates by KING DAVID I (1124-1153), founded Paisley Priory for Cuniac monks, c 1163, and was made a lay bro of the Benedictine Order, repelled an invasion of Renfrewshire by the Islesmen 1164; and d 1177. He m Eschyne de Molle (widow of Robert de Croc), probably dau of Thomas of the Lundins and sis of Malcolm, 1st hereditary Doorward of Scotland, and by her left issue.² GAV-25 EDV-24.

; Following the death of King Alexander III in 1286, a period of
uncertainty ensued in Scotland which (one could argue) lasted until
the Scots victory at Bannockburn in June 1314. Early in this
period Robert de Brus, lord of Annandale and "next in line" (so he
thought) to the Scots throne after Alexander's infant granddaughter
in Norway, sought to protect his present position and future
possibilities by entering into an agreement with a number of Scots
and Irish magnates, thereafter frequently referred to as the
"Turnberry Band".

Politically, the agreement at Turnberry has been the subject of
much discussion and debate. In genealogical terms, the agreement
merits some reconsideration given the evidence recently discussed
concerning the relationships of the Earls of Dunbar to the Bruce
Lords of Annandale and others [1].

The following is an accurate, if abbreviated, rendering of the
agreement (the full Latin text will follow in a 2nd post):

" Bond by Patrick Earl of Dunbar, Patrick, John, and
Alexander his sons, Walter Stewart, Earl of Menteith,
Alexander and John his sons, Robert of Bruce, Lord of
Annandale, and Robert of Bruce, Earl of Carrick, and
Richard of Bruce his sons, James, Steward of Scotland,
and John his brother, Enegus, son of Dovenald, and
Alexander his lawful son, whereby they engage to adhere
to Sir Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster, and Sir Thomas
of Clare in all their affairs, and to stand faithfully
by them and their accomplices against all their
adversaries, saving their fidelity to the King of
England, and also to him who should obtain the kingdom
of Scotland by reason of relationship to Alexander
King of Scotland last deceased.
At Turnebyry in Carrick, on the eve of St.
Matthew, 20th September 1286.... " [2]

The following chart reflects the common descent of all the
Scots lords who agreed to this bond from Walter fitz Alan the
Steward (d. 1177). In fact, Patrick, Earl of Dunbar and Robert de
Brus, lord of Annandale are shown to have been 1st cousins: they
were also 2nd cousins 1x removed, by common descent from Henry of
Scotland, Earl of Northumberland and Huntingdon (d. 1152) and Ada
de Warenne. Walter le Stewart, Earl of Menteith was their 2nd
cousin: James le Stewart and his brother John (later of Bonkil),
and Angus 'Mor' mac Donald of the Isles, were nephews of Earl
Walter.


Walter fitz Alan = Eschina
steward of K David I I
_______________I______________
I I
William = Cristina (= <2> Patrick Alan fitz Walter
de Brus I of Dunbar) le Steward (d. 1204)
I I
__________I_____ I
I I I
Euphemia Robert Walter fitz Alan
= Patrick de Brus le Steward (d. 1241)
E of Dunbar = Isabel of I
d. 1232 Huntingdon I
I I ______ _________I____________
I I I I I I I
PATRICK ROBERT = Isabel I Alexander WALTER NN (dau)
E of Dunbar Lord of I de I le E of = Donald
= Cecilia Annandale I Clare I Steward Menteith of the
filia Joh. d. 1295 I ___I d. 1283 I Isles
I I I I I I
__I_____ ________I Richard ___I_ ____I____ I
I I I I I I I I I I
PATRICK I ROBERT I THOMAS JAMES I ALEXANDER I ANGUS
E of I Carrick I Clare Steward I E of I Donald
Dunbar> I I = Egidia I Menteith> I d. 1296
___I_ ____I ______I ________I ____I___
I I I I I I I
JOHN I RICHARD JOHN JOHN de ALEXANDER I
_____I de Brus le Steward Menteith I
I (of Bonkil) ______I
ALEXANDER I
Angus Og
mac Donald


Although inadequately reflected, the Irish lords involved in
the "Band" were closely linked if not related by this common
Stewart descent. Thomas de Clare, of Inchiquin and Youghal, was
the nephew of Robert de Brus' wife Isabel de Clare, and a first
cousin of his sons Robert and Richard (namesake of Thomas' father
Richard de Clare). Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster (d. 1326), was
the brother of Egidia (or Giles) de Burgh, the wife of James le
Stewart.

Certainly the earls and lords who bound themselves by this
agreement had their own particular interests at heart. The parts
they would play in the subsequent history of Scotland range from
the heroic (Sir John Stewart's death in 1298 as a captain at the
Battle of Falkirk, fighting together with William Wallace comes to
mind) to the infamous (John de Menteith is the Sir John who
subsequently captured William Wallace in 1305, turning him over to
English justice). However, we can now see that this group was
more closely related than was previously understood, which
provides a new perspective for further study of the Turnberry Band
and other aspects of this period.

Cheers,

John *


NOTES

[1] See SGM threads: <: CP Correction: Cristina, 2nd wife of
Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1232)>, wife of Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1248)> and Cecilia, wife of Patrick, Earl of Dunbar>, 29 October 2004. An
ahnentafel for Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (d. 1308) is given in
the SGM thread , 1
November 2004.

[2] The Red Book of Menteith II:xxxi, No. 12. The Latin text
(to be provided in a followup post) is found at II:219-220
[also in Bain's Historical Documents Pertaining to Scotland I:22]


* John P. Ravilious.⁵

; made the hereditary Great Steward of Scotland by David I, and was ancestor of the Stewarts.¹ He was 1st Great Steward of Scotland circa 1163.²

     Eschina of Huntlaw (?) married Walter Fitz Alan 1st Great Steward of Scotland, son of Alan Fitz Fleald Baron of Oswestry and Aveline (?) de Hesdin.^4,2
Eschina of Huntlaw (?) married Robert de Croc.^4,2

     GAV-25 EDV-24.

; (widow of Robert de Croc), probably dau of Thomas of the Lundins and sis of Malcolm, 1st hereditary Doorward of Scotland.² Eschina of Huntlaw (?) was also known as Eschyne de Molle.⁴

     Fleald Fitz Alan was born before 1080.⁴
Fleald Fitz Alan died after 1101.⁴
      ; Per Burke's: "FLAALD, hereditary Steward of Dol, consented before 1080 to a grant of land by his elder bro Alan to the Abbey of St Florent, was on the Welsh border c 1101; and was s by his son, ALAN fitz Flaald."³ GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-27. Fleald Fitz Alan was also known as Flaald Hereditary Steward of Dol.⁵

     Alan (?) was born before 1045.¹
      ; Burke's: "ALAN, a Breton noble, living c 1045, was hereditary Steward of Dol in Britanny, and had three sons."²

; Per Burke's Stuart Lineage:
     "The historic House of Stuart or Stewart take their surname from their mediaeval office of hereditary Great Steward of Scotland, which is still held by their descendant in the female line, HRH PRINCE CHARLES. Before they came to Scotland, the family were noble Bretons, hereditary Stewards of Dol nine centuries ago, and were connected with the Counts of Dol and Dinan who were a branch of the ancient ruling dynasty of Britanny. So they were probably ultimately Ancient Britons in origin: and it is perhaps fitting that the family gave the first monarchs to united Great Britain.
     "They became Kings of Scots in 1371, and were Sovereigns of England and Ireland as well, 1603-1715; while various branches of their male line (whether lawful or natural, and assuming several surnames) have held the Principality of Wales and the English dukedoms of Cornwall, York, Gloucester, Cambridge, Kendal, Monmouth, Cleveland, Southampton, Northumberland and Berwick, as also the ancient Earldoms of Arundel and Surrey, the Irish Earldom of Blesington and also the Ld Lieutenantcy of Ireland, the Scottish dukedoms of Rothesay, Albany, Ross and Lennox, and the Marquisate of Ormond (the first four dukes and the first marquis ever cr in Scotland being all Stuarts), the Scots earldoms of Fife, Atholl, Mar, Angus, Strathearn, Caithness, March, Buchan Menteith, Orkeny Carrick, Bothwell, Arran and Traquair, the French dukedoms of Touraine and FitzJames (as Peers of France) and the Counties of Beaumont-le-Roger, Boulogne, Auvergne and Evreux (a Stuart was Constable of France and several became Marshals of France), the Italian duchy of Terranuova and the Viceroyalty of Naples, the Spanish dukedoms of Alba, Veragua, Arjona, Montoro, Huescar, Galisteo, Liria and Xerica (many Stuarts were Grandees of Spain of the First Class), with the County-Duchy of Olivares, the county of Montijo and many other marquisates and counties, also the hereditary offices of Admiral of the Indies and Grand Constable of Navarre. They have received three Cardinal's hats, and have given two Prime Ministers to Great Britain; while many members of their race have been Knights of the Garter and of the Golden Fleece, as also of the Thistle which they founded.
     "Branches of their male line (mostly illegitimate) still hold the English dukedoms of Richmond, Grafton and St Albans, the British marquessate of Bute, earldom of Wharncliffe and barony of Southampton, the United Kingdom dukedom of Gordon, viscountcies of Daventry and Stuart of Findhorn and barony of Montagu, the Irish earldom of Castle Stewart, the Scottish Dukedoms of Buccleuch, Lennox, and Queensberry, also earldoms of Galloway and Moray, the French dukedom of Aubigny and the Spanish dukedom of Penaranda; besides several baronetcies. The present Earl of Moray descends in the male line from Robert Stuart, Duke of Albany, Regent of Scotland 1388-1420, yr s of KING ROBERT II, and has inherited his Stuart earldom in the female line through the heiress of James Stuart, Earl of Moray, Regent of Scotland 1567-1570, natural s of KING JAMES V."² GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28. He was Per Boyer: "hereditary steward of Dol in Brittany."¹

     Alan Fitz Alan died in 1097; probably died during the First Crusade, of which he was a leader.¹
      ; Alan, hereditary Steward of Dol, was one of the leaders of the First Crusade, 1097, on which he probably perished.²

     Rhiwallon Fitz Alan lived at St. Florent at Saumur, Brittany, France; monk.²

     Perronelle (?) married Robert Fitz Piers, son of Piers de Lutegareshale and Maud de Mandeville Lady of Costow, Wiltshire,
; her 1st husband.^1,2 Perronelle (?) married Eustace/Enetau de Baliol 4th Baron of Bywell, son of Bernard II de Baliol 3rd Baron of Bywell and Agnes de Picquigny, circa October 1198.^1,2

      ; "...the widow of Robert Fitzpiers."³ GAV-24 EDV-24. Perronelle (?) was also known as Petronille (?)^4,3

     Alexander de Baliol Lord Baliol married Eleanor de Genoure.¹

Alexander de Baliol Lord Baliol died in 1279; dsp.¹
      ; The barony inhereited by this fedal lord consisted of more than five-and-twenty extensive lorships.¹

     William de Boclande married Maud de Say, daughter of William de Say of Kimbolton.^1,2

William de Boclande died before 15 April 1216.¹

     Maud de Say married William de Boclande, son of Hugh de Boclande of Buckland and Maud de Mandeville Lady of Costow, Wiltshire.^1,2

Maud de Say died before 28 March 1222.^1,2
      ; Maud; m William de Boclande (of Buckland), half-bro of her sis's husb, and d just prior to 28 March 1222, having had three daus.²

     Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say married Beatrice de Brewes, daughter of Sir Thomas de Brewes Knt., Lorde Brewes, of Tetbury, Gloucestershire, ec.^1,2
Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say was born on 17 June 1314.¹
Sir William (V) de Say Knt., 3rd Lord Say died before 7 August 1375.¹
      ; WILLIAM de SAY, 3rd LORD (Baron) SAY; b 17 June 1314; ktd Oct 1361; m Beatrice de Brewes, dau of 1st and last (no descendant of his was summoned to Parl in this so-called peerage) Lord (Baron) Breouse/Brewes/Brewose, and d by 7 Aug 1375.¹ He was 3rd LORD (Baron) SAY.¹

     Gregory Cromwell KB, 1st Baron Cromwell was born after 1516; van de Pas says b. 1513.^3,4 He married Elizabeth Seymour, daughter of Sir John Seymour Knt., KB, of Wolf Hall, Wiltshire and Margaret (Margery) Wentworth, before 1538.^1,5,6,3,7,8

Gregory Cromwell KB, 1st Baron Cromwell died on 4 July 1551 at Launde, Leicestershire, England.^9,3,4,8
      ; van de Pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 146
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: III 557
3. Descendants of Elizabeth Cheyne, 2008 , Bradley, Hal.⁴

; per van de Pas: "Only son and heir of Thomas Cromwell, Earl of Essex, and Elizabeth Wykes, Gregory Cromwell in 1528 was educated at Cambridge, probably at Pembroke Hall, whence his tutor , John Chekyng writes, 27 July 1528 to his father, that Gregory 'is rather slow but diligent'. Gregory Cromwell and Elizabeth Seymour married before 1538. Elizabeth Seymour, was the widow of Sir Anthony Ughtred and daughter of Sir John Seymour of Wolf Hall and Margery Wentworth as well sister of Jane Seymour who would become the wife of King Henry VIII and of Edward Seymour the future Lord Protector of England. Gregory and Elizabeth had five children.

On 29 June 1540 a bill of _attainder_ against his father passed both houses, whereby all his honours were forfeited. Thomas Cromwell was condemned to death without trial, and executed 28 July 1540, on Tower Hill, declaring that he died 'in the catholic faith'.

About five months after his father's death, 18 December 1540, Gregory was created Baron Cromwell. He was one of the forty knights created K. B. on 20 February 1547 at the coronation of Edward VI. Edward VI granted Gregory the manor of Liddington, Rutland.

Gregory Cromwell died 4 July 1551 at Launde and was buried at Launde Abbey. His widow married John Paulet, 2nd Marquess of Winchester. After her death, before 9 June 1563, she was buried in Basing Church."⁴ He was 1st Baron Cromwell on 18 December 1540.^10,6,3

     Maud Fitz Walter married Geoffrey de Mandeville 2nd/5th Earl of Essex, 4th Earl of Gloucester, son of Geoffrey Fitz Piers 4th Earl of Essex and Beatrice de Say,
;
His 1st wife.^1,2,3,5,4
Maud Fitz Walter died before 26 January 1213.^2,4
      ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.²

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. V 127.⁴

; Maud fitz Walter - Death:     bef 26 Jan 1213[5], 1st daughter, and coheiress of her mother; lst wife of Geoffrey de Mandeville[5]
Spouse:     Geoffrey de Mandeville
Death:     23 Feb 1215, London (jousting accident)[5]
Father:     Geoffrey FitzPiers (-1213)
Mother:     Beatrix de Say (-<1197)
Sources:
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.² Maud Fitz Walter was also known as Maud fitz Walter.² Maud Fitz Walter was also known as Maud fitz Robert.³

     Christian fitz Robert married William fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville 6th Earl of Essex, son of Geoffrey Fitz Piers 4th Earl of Essex and Beatrice de Say, before 18 November 1220
; her 1st husband.^3,1,2 Christian fitz Robert married Raymond de Burgh before 15 May 1227
; her 2nd husband.^3,1,2
Christian fitz Robert died circa 17 June 1232; dsp.^1,2
      ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.¹

; Christian fitz Robert - Death:     1232, d.s.p.[7], 2nd daughter, and coheiress of her mother. her heir was her half-brother Walter FitzRobert[7]
she m. 1stly William de Mandeville,
2ndly Raymond de Burgh[7]
Spouse:     William FitzGeoffrey
Death:     bef 3 Jun 1227, d.s.p.[5]
Father:     Geoffrey FitzPiers (-1213)
Mother:     Beatrix de Say (-<1197)
Sources:
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).¹
Christian fitz Robert was also known as Christine/Christian Fitz Wauter.^3,4,1

     Raymond de Burgh married Christian fitz Robert, daughter of Robert Fitz Walter de Clare feudal Lord of Woodham Walter and Gunnor de Valognes, before 15 May 1227
; her 2nd husband.^1,2,3
Raymond de Burgh died on 1 July 1230.³

     Richard Fitz John 2nd Lord Fitz-John married Emma (?)¹

Richard Fitz John 2nd Lord Fitz-John died before 7 May 1301; dsp.^1,2