Geoffrey le Mareschal (?)

M, #20431
FatherGoisfried de Bec le Marshal
ReferenceGAV25 EDV24
Last Edited12 Feb 2003
     GAV-25 EDV-24.

Goisfried de Bec le Marshal

M, #20432
FatherRollo de Bec
ReferenceGAV26 EDV25
Last Edited14 Feb 2003
     GAV-26 EDV-25.

Rollo de Bec

M, #20433
FatherAngotus (Angot) «Crêpin» Crespin seigneur du Bec-Crespin b. 975
MotherHéloïse (Loïse, Louise) (?) de Guines
ReferenceGAV27 EDV26
Last Edited12 Feb 2010
     GAV-27 EDV-26.

Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes1,2,3

M, #20434, b. after 1101, d. 1169
FatherWenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent4,2,3,5,6 b. b 1088, d. c 1140
MotherGisele de Guines7,2,3,5,6
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes was born after 1101.5 He married Mahaut/Maud de Saint-Omer, daughter of Guillaume II de Saint-Omer Châtelain de Saint-Omer and Mélisende de Picquigny, between 1136 and 1137.8,5,6,9,10,11

Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes died in 1169 at Newton, England.12,13,8,5,6
Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes was buried in 1169 at Saint-Inglevert .14
     EDV-25 GKJ-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:81.
2. Liste des comtes de Guines French Wikipedia.5


; This is the same person as "Arnould Ier de Guînes" at Wikipédia (Fr.)15 Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes was also known as Arnulf II Count of Guînes.13

; Per Med Lands:
     "ARNOUL van Gent, son of WENEMAR [I] Burggraaf van Gent & his second wife Gisela de Guines (-Newton, England 1169, bur Saint-Inglevert). He succeeded as Comte de Guines in 1146 after his great-niece Beatrix de Bourbourg was divorced by her first husband Aubrey [III] de Vere Earl of Oxford, who had been Comte de Guines de iure uxoris. "Arnoudus comes Ghisnensis" granted tax exemptions in his county to Gant Saint-Pierre by charter dated to [1127/69], signed by "Walterus comes, Alelmus de Ghisnes…Arnulfus vicecomes…"[1209]. “Arnulfus…Gisnensium comes et Mathildis […de S. Audomaro] comitissa uxor mea et Balduinus filius meus” donated property to "Abbati Gunfrido de Claromaresch" by charter dated to [1145][1210]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records the death of "comes Arnoldus" in 1169[1211]. The Chronica Andrensis records the death of "Arnoldus comes Gisnensis" while in England "in propria mansione sua apud Nevetona" and his burial "in Sontingeveld"[1212].
     "m (before [1145]) MATHILDE de Saint-Omer, daughter of GUILLAUME [II] Châtelain de Saint-Omer & his wife Mélisende de Picquigny (-after [1145]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Mathildis" as daughter of "Willelmus Andomarensis castellanus" & his wife, specifying that Mathilde married "Arnoldus Gandavensis" and brought Tournai as her dowry[1213]. “Arnulfus…Gisnensium comes et Mathildis […de S. Audomaro] comitissa uxor mea et Balduinus filius meus” donated property to "Abbati Gunfrido de Claromaresch" by charter dated to [1145][1214]."
Med Lands cites:
[1209] Gand Saint-Pierre 205, p. 127.
[1210] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, LXV, p. 391.
[1211] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 73, MGH SS XXIV, p. 596.
[1212] Willelmi Chronica Andrensis 58, MGH SS XXIV, p. 708, undated but the date "1169" is added in the margin by the editor.
[1213] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 46 and 47, MGH SS XXIV, p. 584.
[1214] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, LXV, p. 391.6


; Per Genealogy.EU (Guines): "A1. [2m.] Cte Arnould I, Cte de Guines, +1169; m. Mahaut, dau.of Guillaume de Saint-Omer by Millisende de Picquigny."14

; Per Racines et Histoire (Guînes): "Arnould II de Gand = Arnould 1er de Guines + 1169 (Ninventone=Newenton=Newton, GB) comte de Guines (1146, après sa petite-nièce Béatrix de Bourbourg et son ex-mari Aubrey III de Vere, earl of Oxford et comte de Guines) et de Gand
     ép.avant 1145 (~1135/37) Mahaut (Mathilde) de Saint-Omer, douairière de Tournai (fille de Guillaume II, Châtelain de Saint-Omer et de Mélisende de Picquigny ; de lignée carolingienne)"


Per Racines et Histoire (Gand): "2) Arnoul II de Gand (Arnould 1er de Guines) + ~1169 (Ninventone=Newenton=Newton, GB) succède à Guines à son oncle maternel Manassès (reçoit les serments & hommages de tous les nobles de son comté dès son accession au pouvoir ; s’intitule : «Arnoul, par la grâce de Dieu, comte de Guines» ; bienfaiteur ~1150/51 des églises de Thérouanne, Saint-Martin et Clairmarais)
     ép. Mahaut (Mathilde) de Saint-Omer ° ~1115 (fille de Guillaume et de Mélissende de Picquigny)"


Per Racines et Histoire (Saint-Omer): "Mathilde (Mahaut) de Saint-Omer ° ~1115 + après 1145 dame de Tournehem, douairière de Tournai (donation à Clairmarais par charte en 1145)
     ép. ~1136/37 Arnoul(d) 1er, comte de Guines (alias Arnould II de Gand) + ~1169 (Ninventone = Newenton = Newton, GB) comte de Gand (fils de Wenemar 1er, burggraf van Gent et de Gisela/Ghisle de Guines.)16,17,9"

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE de Saint-Omer (-after [1145]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names (in order) "Mathildis…Eufemia…Gisla de Monasteriolo…Luchgardis et Beatrix" as the five daughters of "Willelmus Andomarensis castellanus" & his wife, specifying that Mathilde married "Arnoldus Gandavensis" and brought Tournai as her dowry[991]. “Arnulfus…Gisnensium comes et Mathildis […de S. Audomaro] comitissa uxor mea et Balduinus filius meus” donated property to "Abbati Gunfrido de Claromaresch" by charter dated to [1145][992].
     "m (before [1145]) ARNOUL [I] Comte de Guines, son of WENEMAR [I] Burggraaf van Gent & his second wife Gisela de Guines (-1169)."
Med Lands cites:
[991] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 46 and 47, MGH SS XXIV, p. 584.
[992] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, LXV, p. 391.11
He was Comte de Guînes
Per Wikipédia (Fr.): Seconde famille de Guînes (issue des châtelains de Gand)
     "1137-1169 : Arnould Ier (fils de Wenemar de Gand et de Gisèle de Guînes), épouse Mahaut de Saint-Omer (°v.1115 †?)
** Béatrix de Guînes (°v.1140 †?)
** Baudouin II de Guînes (°v.1135 †2 janvier 1205)
between 1137 and 1169.18

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174413&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (GGuines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Chapter 3. GENT: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc111525106. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wenemar I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174410&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174413&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#ArnoulIGentGuinesdied1169B
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisele de Guines: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174412&tree=LEO
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Châtelains de Saint-Omer & Morbecque, Fauquembergues, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Saint-Omer.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Saint-Omer: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174414&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#MahautStOmerMArnouldIGuines
  12. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 158A-26, p. 141. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  13. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 84-85, de FIENNES 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Arnould Ier de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnould_Ier_de_Gu%C3%AEnes. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  16. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Guines, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Guines.pdf
  17. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Châtelains de Gand (Burggrafen van Gent) seigneur d’Aalst (Alost) & Famille Vilain de Gand, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Gand.pdf
  18. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Gu%C3%AEnes
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adélide de Guines: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108479&tree=LEO
  20. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#AdelidaGuinesM1HuguesLilleM2RobertWavrin
  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudoin II de Guines: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174406&tree=LEO

Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent1,2

M, #20435, b. before 1088, d. circa 1140
FatherLambert II (?) Burggraf van Gent3,2,4 d. c 1085
MotherGeyla (?)3 d. c 1071
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited3 Nov 2020
     Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent was born before 1088.1 He married Lutgarde (?) in 1101
; his 1st wife.5,2,4 Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent married Gisele de Guines, daughter of Baudouin I (?) Comte de Guines and Adele/Christina (?), in 1106
; his 2nd wife.1,6,2,4
Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent died circa 1140.
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 81.1 EDV-28 GKJ-28. He was living in 1088.1

Family 2

Lutgarde (?)

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wenemar I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174410&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (GGuines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  3. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31869
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Chapter 3. GENT: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc111525106. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lutgarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174411&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174413&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174413&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#ArnoulIGentGuinesdied1169B
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siger I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164662&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wenemar II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00263266&tree=LEO

Gisele de Guines1,2

F, #20436
FatherBaudouin I (?) Comte de Guines3,1,2,4 d. 1091
MotherAdele/Christina (?)5,6 d. 1085
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited7 Nov 2020
     Gisele de Guines married Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent, son of Lambert II (?) Burggraf van Gent and Geyla (?), in 1106
; his 2nd wife.7,8,2,4
     EDV-28.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 81.1

Family

Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent b. b 1088, d. c 1140
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisele de Guines: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174412&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (GGuines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174509&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Chapter 3. GENT: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc111525106. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adele: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174510&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#SibylleRoseGuinesMHenriBourbourg
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wenemar I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174410&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174413&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174413&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#ArnoulIGentGuinesdied1169B
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siger I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164662&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wenemar II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00263266&tree=LEO

Baudouin I (?) Comte de Guines1

M, #20437, d. 1091
FatherEustace (?) Count de Guines d. 1052
MotherSusanne de Gramines
Last Edited19 Oct 2020
     Baudouin I (?) Comte de Guines married Adele/Christina (?), daughter of Floris (Florent) I (?) Graaf van Holland and Gertrude (?) von Sachsen.1,2,3,4

Baudouin I (?) Comte de Guines died in 1091.
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 81.5

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
     "Baudouin Ier de Guînes, comte de Guînes, (°v.1038 †ap.1091), fils d'Eustache, comte de Guines et de Suzanne de Ghermines (ou de Gramines). Il succéda à son père au comté de Guînes avant 1065.
Biographie
     "L'histoire donne une idée avantageuse de sa valeur, de son savoir et de la régularité de ses mœurs ? il est dit très vaillant, signalé en probité de mœurs, doué d'une prudence et d'une modestie singulières,savant en lettres saintes et très pieux1.
     "Il succède à son père avant 1065, année où il est présent à la cour de Philippe Ier, roi de France, avec le comte de Flandre et autres grands seigneurs, cités dans une charte du roi, expédiée à Corbie, en faveur de l'abbaye d'Hasnon, signée des prélats, comtes et barons présents, dont l'archevêque de Reims Gervais de Belleme, l'évêque de Noyon Baudouin 1er, l'évêque d'Amiens Guy d'Amiens, etc2. Sont également présents Eustache II de Boulogne, comte de Boulogne, Gautier comte d'Hesdin, Gautier châtelain de Douai, Robert avoué d'Arras, seigneur de Béthune, Arnould d'Ardres (seigneurs d'Ardres).
     "En 1070, il prit le parti de Robert le Frison, frère cadet de Baudouin VI de Flandre, contre Richilde de Hainaut et son fils, Arnoul III de Flandre, prétendant au comté de Flandre, dans la guerre pour la Flandre.
     "En 1071, il participa à la bataille de Cassel et Broqueroies.
     "En 1079, il fit le pèlerinage de Saint-Jacques-de-Compostelle avec Enguerrand, seigneur de Lillers. Au retour Baudouin, tomba malade, il fut très bien soigné à l'abbaye Saint-Sauveur de Charroux. En récompense, ils offrirent tous deux de créer des monastères attachés à leurs fiefs. De là provient l'origine des abbayes de Saint-Rotrude d'Andres (près de Guînes) et de Ham (près de Lillers). Beaudoin Ier et Adèle Chrétienne, son épouse furent inhumés dans l'abbaye d'Andernes. Cette abbaye fut ruinée par les Anglais en 1347, rétablie ensuite, et totalement détruite en 1544 par les mêmes Anglais.
     "Baudoin Ier eut une guerre de plume et d'épée contre Arnoul Ier, seigneur d'Ardres, (Seigneurs d'Ardres), rapporte le chroniqueur Lambert d'Ardres. Selon ce dernier, il renonça lorsque Arnoul Ier fit allégeance à Robert II, fils de Robert le Frison, devenu comte de Flandre le 22 février 1071 en tant que vainqueur de la bataille de Cassel, en l'absence de celui-ci parti en pèlerinage en Terre-Sainte.
     "Baudouin meurt vers 1091, sept ans après sa femme. Il est enterré auprès d'elle dans la chapelle de l'abbaye d'Andres1
Mariage et enfants
     "Il épousa Adèle Chrétienne de Hollande (°v.1045 †1085), fille de Florent Ier de Hollande. Ils eurent pour enfants:
** Gisèle ou Gilette (°v.1075 †?), épouse vers 1101 Wenemar de Gand (°v.1070 † 1120) 3e Burgrave de Gand, puis châtelain de Gand, seigneur de Bornhem. Le couple donna naissance notamment à un fils Arnoul de Gand, futur Arnould Ier de Guînes
** Adèle ou Alix (°v.1080 †v.1142), femme de Geoffroi IV3, seigneur de Semur en Brionnais, remarqué dans toute la Bourgogne par sa piété. Le mariage est célébré par Geoffroy de Boulogne, évêque de Paris, frère d'Eustache II de Boulogne, et parent d'Adèle. Un des enfants du couple, Geofffroy V, estimé un des plus braves chevaliers de son temps, va revendiquer un momment le comté de Guînes après la mort de son oncle Manassès Ier de Guînes, mais devra s'effacer au profit du futur Arnould Ier de Guînes4.
** Manassès dit Robert (°v.1075 †18 décembre 1137), comte de Guînes
** Foulques, part en Terre-Sainte, devient Comte de Beyrouth, et fut inhumé en ce lieu
** Guy, cité avec ses frères dans des chartes de l'abbaye d'Andres et de l'abbaye Saint-Léonard de Guînes, comte de Forez vers 1105-11155'6, inhumé dans l'abbaye d'Andres auprès de son père4.
** Hugues, archidiacre de Thérouanne. En tant que tel, il souscrit à une donation faite par son frère Manassès à l'abbaye d'Andres en 1097. Puis il quitte l'habit ecclésiastique, prend les armes, est chevalier. Il sera enterré lui aussi à l'abbaye d'Andres4.

Références
1. Du Chesne, cité dans les sources, p. 22
2. André Du Chesne, cité dans les sources, p. 20-21
3. Le cartulaire de Marcigny-sur-Loire. Essai de reconstitution d'un manuscrit disparu éd. J. Richard, Paris, 1953.
4. Du Chesne, option citée, p. 23
5. Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 25, MGH SS XXIV, p. 574.
6. Guy comte de "Forois" de l'Historia comitum Ghisnensium Lire en ligne [archive]
Voir aussi
Sources
** L'art de vérifier les dates des faits historiques, des chartes, des chroniques et autres anciens … par Maur-François Dantine, Charles Clémencet, Saint-Allais (Nicolas Viton), Ursin Durand, François Clément
** Notice historique sur l'état ancien et moderne du Calaisis, de l'Ardresis et des pays de … Par Pierre Jean M. Collet.
** André Du Chesne, Histoire généalogique des maisons de Guines, d'Ardres, de Gand et de Coucy et de quelques autres familles illustres, Paris, 1632, lire en ligne [archive].
Articles connexes
** Comté de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comt%C3%A9_de_Gu%C3%AEnes
** Liste des comtes de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Gu%C3%AEnes
** Eustache Ier de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustache_Ier_de_Gu%C3%AEnes
** Manassès Ier de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manass%C3%A8s_Ier_de_Gu%C3%AEnes."6

; Per Genealogy.EU: "[her parentage is not conclusively proven] Adela=Christina, +1085; m.Cte Baudoin I de Guines."2,4

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Baudouin 1er de Guines + avant 1097 ou ~1100 comte de Guines (dès 1065) (fonde l’Abbaye d’Ardres en 1097)
     ép. Adélaïde (Adela, Adèle, Christina) de Westfriesland (Hollande) + 1085/87 (très probable fille de Floris (Florent) 1er, comte de Hollande (WestFrise), et de Gertrud de Saxe.)7"

; Per Med Lands:
     "BAUDOUIN de Guines, son of EUSTACHE Comte de Guines & his wife Susanne de Grimmingen (-before 1097). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Balduinum, Willelmum et Reinelmum, Adelam et Beatricem" as the children of "Eustacius [comes Ghisnensi]" & his wife[1163]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Guines. An undated charter records donations to the chapel of Notre-Dame "in castro Gisnensi", including the donation made by "Balduinus comes Gisnensis" of "duas mansiones in castro supra dicto et terram de Hautingahem…" with the consent of "filiis suis Manasse, Fulcone, Hugone, Widone et Mathilde", witnessed by "Ida Boloniensi comitissa, Ernulfo de Arda, Elemberto vicecomite, Mauritio et Alulpho filio eius…"[1164]. "Balduini comitis et uxoris sive filiorum" donated property to "monachorum cœnobii S. Salvatoris Carosensis" by charter dated 1084[1165]. The cartulary of the abbey of Charroux records the founding of the abbey of Ardres by "Balduinius comes Gisnensis" in 1097, confirmed following his death by "filius eius Manasses", the charter being subscribed by "Hugo archidiaconus frater Manassis comitis…Fulco frater comitis"[1166]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records the death of "Balduinus" and his burial "cum duobus filiis suis Widone et Hugone, Andrie"[1167].
     "m ADELA [Christina] [of Holland, daughter of FLORIS I Count [of Holland] & his wife Gertrud of Saxony] (-1085). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "viri Lotharie et milicie ducis florigeri Florentini filiam Adelam…dicta Cristiana" as wife of "Balduinum [comem Ghisnensi]"[1168]. The passage contains no direct reference to the Counts of Holland, although the first name "Florentinus" is indicative and has not been found in other contemporary noble families. If Adela belonged to the family of the Counts of Holland, the text is chronologically consistent with Count Floris I being her father. This hypothesis assumes that the text correctly names Adela's father in the first place. This is far from certain in light of the numerous inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the early parts of the Historia. In addition, none of the names typically associated with the family of the Counts of Holland are found among the couple's descendants. Jean Bishop of Tournai confirmed the foundation of the monastery of Andres by "Balduinum piæ memoriæ comitem Gisnensem uxoremque eius Athelam" by charter dated 1122 which names "filiisque eius Manasse, Fulcone, Hugone, Widone"[1169]."
Med Lands cites:
[1163] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 23, MGH SS XXIV, p. 573.
[1164] Duchesne (1631), Guines, Preuves, p. 25.
[1165] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, XXIII, p. 354.
[1166] Charroux, XIX, p. 115.
[1167] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 33, MGH SS XXIV, p. 578, undated but "c 1100" has been added in the margin by the editor.
[1168] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 25, MGH SS XXIV, p. 573.
[1169] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, XLI, p. 373.8

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174509&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Holland 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/holland/holland1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adele: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174510&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HOLLAND.htm#AdelaChristinadied1085MBaudouinIGuines. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174509&tree=LEO
  6. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Baudouin Ier de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudouin_Ier_de_Gu%C3%AEnes. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Guines, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Guines.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#SibylleRoseGuinesMHenriBourbourg
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisele de Guines: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174412&tree=LEO
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (GGuines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Chapter 3. GENT: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc111525106
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Manassès I dit Robert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00571452&tree=LEO

Adele/Christina (?)1,2

F, #20438, d. 1085
FatherFloris (Florent) I (?) Graaf van Holland2,3,4,5,6 b. c 1017, d. 28 Jun 1061
MotherGertrude (?) von Sachsen2,3,4,6,7 b. c 1028, d. 4 Aug 1113
ReferenceEDV29
Last Edited19 Oct 2020
     Adele/Christina (?) married Baudouin I (?) Comte de Guines, son of Eustace (?) Count de Guines and Susanne de Gramines.8,2,3,4

Adele/Christina (?) died in 1085.2
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: "[her parentage is not conclusively proven] Adela=Christina, +1085; m.Cte Baudoin I de Guines."2,4

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Baudouin 1er de Guines + avant 1097 ou ~1100 comte de Guines (dès 1065) (fonde l’Abbaye d’Ardres en 1097)
     ép. Adélaïde (Adela, Adèle, Christina) de Westfriesland (Hollande) + 1085/87 (très probable fille de Floris (Florent) 1er, comte de Hollande (WestFrise), et de Gertrud de Saxe.)9"

; Per Med Lands:
     "BAUDOUIN de Guines, son of EUSTACHE Comte de Guines & his wife Susanne de Grimmingen (-before 1097). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Balduinum, Willelmum et Reinelmum, Adelam et Beatricem" as the children of "Eustacius [comes Ghisnensi]" & his wife[1163]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Guines. An undated charter records donations to the chapel of Notre-Dame "in castro Gisnensi", including the donation made by "Balduinus comes Gisnensis" of "duas mansiones in castro supra dicto et terram de Hautingahem…" with the consent of "filiis suis Manasse, Fulcone, Hugone, Widone et Mathilde", witnessed by "Ida Boloniensi comitissa, Ernulfo de Arda, Elemberto vicecomite, Mauritio et Alulpho filio eius…"[1164]. "Balduini comitis et uxoris sive filiorum" donated property to "monachorum cœnobii S. Salvatoris Carosensis" by charter dated 1084[1165]. The cartulary of the abbey of Charroux records the founding of the abbey of Ardres by "Balduinius comes Gisnensis" in 1097, confirmed following his death by "filius eius Manasses", the charter being subscribed by "Hugo archidiaconus frater Manassis comitis…Fulco frater comitis"[1166]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records the death of "Balduinus" and his burial "cum duobus filiis suis Widone et Hugone, Andrie"[1167].
     "m ADELA [Christina] [of Holland, daughter of FLORIS I Count [of Holland] & his wife Gertrud of Saxony] (-1085). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "viri Lotharie et milicie ducis florigeri Florentini filiam Adelam…dicta Cristiana" as wife of "Balduinum [comem Ghisnensi]"[1168]. The passage contains no direct reference to the Counts of Holland, although the first name "Florentinus" is indicative and has not been found in other contemporary noble families. If Adela belonged to the family of the Counts of Holland, the text is chronologically consistent with Count Floris I being her father. This hypothesis assumes that the text correctly names Adela's father in the first place. This is far from certain in light of the numerous inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the early parts of the Historia. In addition, none of the names typically associated with the family of the Counts of Holland are found among the couple's descendants. Jean Bishop of Tournai confirmed the foundation of the monastery of Andres by "Balduinum piæ memoriæ comitem Gisnensem uxoremque eius Athelam" by charter dated 1122 which names "filiisque eius Manasse, Fulcone, Hugone, Widone"[1169]."
Med Lands cites:
[1163] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 23, MGH SS XXIV, p. 573.
[1164] Duchesne (1631), Guines, Preuves, p. 25.
[1165] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, XXIII, p. 354.
[1166] Charroux, XIX, p. 115.
[1167] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 33, MGH SS XXIV, p. 578, undated but "c 1100" has been added in the margin by the editor.
[1168] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 25, MGH SS XXIV, p. 573.
[1169] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, XLI, p. 373.10
EDV-29 GKJ-29.

; Per Med Lands:
     "[ADELA [Christina] (-1085). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "viri Lotharie et milicie ducis florigeri Florentini filiam Adelam…dicta Cristiana" as wife of "Balduinum [comem Ghisnensi]"[367]. The passage contains no direct reference to the Counts of Holland, although the first name "Florentinus" is indicative and has not been found in other contemporary noble families. If Adela belonged to the family of the Counts of Holland, the text is chronologically consistent with Count Floris I being her father. This hypothesis assumes that the text correctly names Adela's father in the first place. This is far from certain in light of the numerous inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the early parts of the Historia. In addition, none of the names typically associated with the family of the Counts of Holland are found among the couple's descendants.
     "m BAUDOUIN I Comte de Guines, son of EUSTACHE Comte de Guines & his wife Susanne de Grimmingen (-[1100]).]"
Med lands cites: [367] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 25, MGH SS XXIV, p. 573.4

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 81.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adele: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174510&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Holland 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/holland/holland1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adele: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174510&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HOLLAND.htm#AdelaChristinadied1085MBaudouinIGuines. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Floris I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00018662&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HOLLAND.htm#FlorisIdied1061
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gertrud von Sachsen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00018661&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174509&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Guines, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Guines.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#SibylleRoseGuinesMHenriBourbourg
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Manassès I dit Robert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00571452&tree=LEO

Eustace (?) Count de Guines

M, #20439, d. 1052
FatherRaoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne d. 1036
MotherRoselle de St. Pol
ReferenceGAV28 EDV29
Last Edited12 Feb 2003
     Eustace (?) Count de Guines married Susanne de Gramines.

Eustace (?) Count de Guines died in 1052.
     GAV-28 EDV-29.

Susanne de Gramines

F, #20440
ReferenceGAV28 EDV29
Last Edited14 Feb 2003
     Susanne de Gramines married Eustace (?) Count de Guines, son of Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne and Roselle de St. Pol.

     GAV-28 EDV-29.

Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne1

M, #20441, d. 1036
FatherArdolph (?) comte de Guines b. 966, d. 996
MotherMathilde/Maud (?) de Boulogne
ReferenceGAV29 EDV30
Last Edited12 Feb 2010
     Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne married Roselle de St. Pol, daughter of (?) de St. Pol Count de St. Pol, circa 1000.2

Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne died in 1036.
      ; "The origin of this most ancient and distinguished family is traced from the Counts of Guisnes, in Picardy, a race of nobles descended from the Scandinavian rulers of Denmark. Rodolph, 3rd Count of Guisnes, had three sons, by his wife Rosetta, dau. of the Count de St. Pol, all of whom accompanied William the Conqueror in his expedition against England, in 1066, and contributing to the triumph of their chief, shared amply in the spoils of conquest. One of the brothers returned to his native country; the other two adopted that which they had so gallantly helped to win, and abided there. Of these, Sir William le Blount, the younger, was general of foot at Hastings, and was rewarded by grants of seven lordships in Lincolnshire; his son was seated at Saxlingham, in Norfolk, and the great granddau. of that gentleman, sole heiress of her line, Maria le Blount, marrying, in the next century, Sir Stephen le Blount, the descendant and representative of her great-great-great-uncle, Sir Robert le Blount, united the families of the two brothers."3 GAV-29 EDV-30. Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne was also known as Rodolph (?) 3rd Count of Guisnes.3 Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne was also known as Rodolphe (?) de Guines.4

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Crespin.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roselle de Saint-Paul: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079576&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, Abeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 54. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rodolphe de Guines: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079575&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louise de Guines: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079574&tree=LEO

Roselle de St. Pol

F, #20442
Father(?) de St. Pol Count de St. Pol1
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited7 Jul 2006
     Roselle de St. Pol married Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne, son of Ardolph (?) comte de Guines and Mathilde/Maud (?) de Boulogne, circa 1000.2

     GAV-27.

; van de Pas cites: Information in regard Crepin/Bec-Crespin from HRH Princess Michael.2 Roselle de St. Pol was also known as Rosetta de St. Pol.1 Roselle de St. Pol was also known as Roselle de Saint-Paul.2

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, Abeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 54. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roselle de Saint-Paul: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079576&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louise de Guines: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079574&tree=LEO

Ardolph (?) comte de Guines1

M, #20443, b. 966, d. 996
FatherSiegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes2,1,3,4,5 b. c 940, d. c 965
MotherElstrude (?) de Flandres b. c 941, d. a 966; Born posthumously2,1,6
ReferenceGAV30 EDV29
Last Edited14 Jul 2020
     Ardolph (?) comte de Guines married Mathilde/Maud (?) de Boulogne, daughter of Ernicule (Arnoul II) (?) de Boulogne.2,1
Ardolph (?) comte de Guines was born in 966.
Ardolph (?) comte de Guines died in 996.
     GAV-30 EDV-29 GKJ-28.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2114] Doug Smith, "Smith email 17 Dec 2006 "Early Comtes de Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Dec 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Smith email 17 Dec 2006."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siegfried I 'le Danois': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331109&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#SiegfriedGuinesdied965. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Gu%C3%AEnes. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elftrude of Flanders: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331110&tree=LEO

Mathilde/Maud (?) de Boulogne1

F, #20444
FatherErnicule (Arnoul II) (?) de Boulogne2,3,1 d. 972
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited21 Jun 2009
     Mathilde/Maud (?) de Boulogne married Ardolph (?) comte de Guines, son of Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes and Elstrude (?) de Flandres.3,1

     GAV-28.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I30813
  3. [S2114] Doug Smith, "Smith email 17 Dec 2006 "Early Comtes de Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Dec 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Smith email 17 Dec 2006."

John Bethune 2nd of Balfour1

M, #20446
Last Edited20 Aug 2019
     John Bethune 2nd of Balfour married Catherine Stewart, daughter of Sir Robert Stewart of Innermeath,
; had issue (see BURKE's L.G. 1906 edn.)2,1,3,4
     Reference:
Genealogics cites:
1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 508
2. Burke's Landed Gentry. (1972) 859.4 John Bethune 2nd of Balfour was also known as John Beatoun of Balfour.2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stewart of Appin Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Katherine Stewart: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006347&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John Bethune, 2nd of Balfour: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006348&tree=LEO

Isabel Stewart1

F, #20447
FatherSir John Stewart Lord of Innermeath and Lorn, 1st of Grandtully1,3 d. 26 Apr 1421
MotherIsobel/Isabella de Ergadia1,2 d. 21 Dec 1439
Last Edited19 Aug 2019
     Isabel Stewart married Sir William Oliphant of Aberdalgy
; her 1st husband.4,5 Isabel Stewart married Sir David Murray of Gask
; her 2nd husband.

Family

Sir William Oliphant of Aberdalgy

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel de Ergadia (MacDougall): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046286&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Stewart, Lord of Lorne and Innermeath, 1st of Grandtully: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046285&tree=LEO
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page (see BURKE's Dormant & Extinct Peerages, OLIPHANT, L.).
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stewart of Appin Family Page.

James Dundas 11th of that Ilk1,2

M, #20450, d. between 1430 and 1431
Last Edited4 Jul 2006
     James Dundas 11th of that Ilk married Christian Stewart, daughter of Sir John Stewart Lord of Innermeath and Lorn, 1st of Grandtully and Isobel/Isabella de Ergadia,
; his 2nd wife, had issue.1,2
James Dundas 11th of that Ilk died between 1430 and 1431.2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stewart of Appin Family Page.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN Dundas: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108449&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Louis de Bournonville

M, #20451, d. circa 1126
FatherGerard de Bournonville d. 1084
MotherEleburg de Seclis
ReferenceGAV25 EDV26
Last Edited13 Feb 2003
     Louis de Bournonville married Silvie (?)1

Louis de Bournonville died circa 1126.
     GAV-25 EDV-26.

Gerard de Bournonville

M, #20452, d. 1084
FatherGuillaume de Bournonville d. 1071
Mother(?) de Bournonville
ReferenceGAV26 EDV27
Last Edited13 Feb 2003
     Gerard de Bournonville married Eleburg de Seclis.

Gerard de Bournonville died in 1084.
     GAV-26 EDV-27.

Eleburg de Seclis

F, #20453
ReferenceGAV26 EDV27
Last Edited14 Feb 2003
     Eleburg de Seclis married Gerard de Bournonville, son of Guillaume de Bournonville and (?) de Bournonville.

     GAV-26 EDV-27.

Family

Gerard de Bournonville d. 1084
Child

Guillaume de Bournonville

M, #20454, d. 1071
FatherEustace (?) Count de Guines d. 1052
MotherSusanne de Gramines
ReferenceGAV27 EDV28
Last Edited13 Feb 2003
     Guillaume de Bournonville married (?) de Bournonville, daughter of Gerard de Bournonville.

Guillaume de Bournonville died in 1071.
     GAV-27 EDV-28.

(?) de Bournonville

F, #20455
FatherGerard de Bournonville1
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited13 Feb 2003
     (?) de Bournonville married Guillaume de Bournonville, son of Eustace (?) Count de Guines and Susanne de Gramines.

     GAV-27 EDV-27.

Janet Stewart1,2

F, #20456
FatherSir John Stewart 2nd Lord of Lorne and Innermeath1,2 d. 20 Dec 1463
MotherFingula of The Isles (?)3
Last Edited3 Jul 2006
     Janet Stewart married Sir Colin Campbell 1st of Glenorchy, Perthshire circa 1448
; his 2nd wife.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stewart of Appin Family Page.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Fingula of The Isles: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00250416&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Elstrude (?) de Flandres1

F, #20457, b. circa 941, d. after 966
FatherArnulf/Arnoul I "The Great" or "The Old" (?) comte de Flandres et d’Artois2,3,4,5,6,7,8 b. bt 885 - 889, d. 27 Mar 965
MotherAdèle/Alix (?) de Vermandois2,1,9,7,8 b. c 910, d. 10 Oct 960
ReferenceGAV29 EDV28
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Elstrude (?) de Flandres was born circa 941; Genealogics says b. ca 941; Genealogy.EU says b. ca 932.2,1,7 She married Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes in 964
; Racines et Histoire says m 960/965; Med Lands says m. 960/62.2,7,10,3,11
Elstrude (?) de Flandres died after 966; Racines et Histoire says b. " dès 966"; Med Lands says d. "966 or after."1,8
      ; According to The Henry Project:
     "Elftrude, said to have been impregnated by Siegfried "the Dane" (Sifridus Dachus), ruler in Guînes (also possibly mythical).
Lambert of Ardres, writing at the end of the twelfth or beginning of the thirteenth century, in his very legendary account of the counts of Guînes, gives count Baldwin III of Flanders a sister Elstrude (i.e., Elftrude) who was impregnated by Siegfried, a relative of the king of Denmark who was then said to be ruling in Guînes ["Habuit autem iam dictus comes Balduinus mire pulchritudinis sororem, a Balduini Ferrei quondam uxore Elstrude nominatam Elstrudem, cuius Sifridus nimio languebat amore; cui post multi amoris colloquia furtivaque ardoris oblectamenta demum nolenti velle, immo nolle volenti, sine vi ludendo vim intulit et eam clanculo impregnavit." Lambert of Ardres, Historia Comitum Ghisnensium, c. 11, MGH SS 24: 568]. This supposedly resulted in the birth of a son, baptised by Arnulf II under the name of Ardolf, who was later first count of Guînes ["... Peperit autem Elstrudis filium, quem Arnoldus Flandrie comes de fonte levavit et nomen ei Ardolphum indidit et imposuit, eiusque omnimode curam egit et matris." ibid., c. 12, MGH SS 24: 568].
     "There are good reasons to question Lambert's reliability on these claims. Not only was he writing well over 200 years after these alleged events (which are not confirmed by sources independent of Lambert), but he makes some serious mistakes (e.g., having Baldwin III survive his father and having his own reign, having Arnulf II be an adult at his succession) which indicate that he was not well informed about the history of Flanders in the middle of the tenth century. In addition, Lambert's story about Siegfried and Elftrude looks suspiciously similar to the story of Baldwin I of Flanders and Judith of France."12

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 2:5.
2. Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 171.7
GAV-29 EDV-28 GKJ-29. Elstrude (?) de Flandres was also known as Elftrude (?) of Flanders.2,1

; Per Racines et Histoire (Flandres): “2) Elstrude de Flandres ° ~932 + dès 966 (29/09/964 ?)
ép. 960/965 Sigfried, comte de Guines + ~965”


Per Racines et Histoire (Guines): “Siegfried (Sifrid) «Le Danois» + 965 ou 968 1er comte héréditaire de Guines (~928/29)
ép. 960/65 Elstrude de Flandres + 966 ou peu après (fille d’Arnoul 1er comte de Flandre et d’Adèle de Vermandois)”.3,13

; Per Med Lands:
     "ELSTRUDE de Flandre (-966[162] or after). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[163]. According to the Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini, the couple were never married[164].
     "m ([960/65]) SIEGFRIED Comte de Guines, son of --- (-[965])."
Med Lands cites:
[162] When she gave birth to her husband's posthumous child.
[163] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 11, MGH SS XXIV, p. 568.
[164] Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini auctore Iohanne Longo de Ipra 27.2, MGH SS XXV, p. 776.8


; Per Genealogy.EU (Flandres 1): “C5. Elftrude, *ca 932; m.964 Siegfried, sn de Guines (+ca 965)”.14

; Per Med Lands:
     "SIEGFRIED, son of --- (-[965]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Sifridus" specifying that he was of Danish origin and "de eiusdem Walberti cognatione progenitus"[879]. His precise relationship with Walbert has not been identified. He was installed as Comte de Guines in 928.
     "m ([960/65]) ELSTRUDE de Flandre, daughter of ARNOUL I Count of Flanders & his [second] wife Adela de Vermandois (-966[880] or after). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[881]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[882]. According to the Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini, the couple were never married, their son Ardolf being illegitimate[883]."
Med Lands cites:
[879] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 7, MGH SS XXIV, p. 566.
[880] When she gave birth to her husband's posthumous child.
[881] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 11, MGH SS XXIV, p. 568.
[882] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 11, MGH SS XXIV, p. 568.
[883] Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini auctore Iohanne Longo de Ipra 27.2, MGH SS XXV, p. 776.11

Family

Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes b. c 940, d. c 965
Child

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders1.html
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Flandre(s) Vlaanderen, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnulf I 'the Great': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00018650&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf_I,_Count_of_Flanders. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLANDERS,%20HAINAUT.htm#ArnoulIdied964B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elftrude of Flanders: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331110&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLANDERS,%20HAINAUT.htm#Elftrudedied966.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adela de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00018651&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siegfried I 'le Danois': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331109&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#SiegfriedGuinesdied965
  12. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Arnulf (Arnoul) I "the Great" or "the Old" (Arnulfus Magnus, Arnulfus Vetulus): https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/arnul000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Guines, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Guines.pdf
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders1.html
  15. [S2114] Doug Smith, "Smith email 17 Dec 2006 "Early Comtes de Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Dec 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Smith email 17 Dec 2006."
  16. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 2.

Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes1,2,3,4,5

M, #20458, b. circa 940, d. circa 965
ReferenceGAV29 EDV28
Last Edited15 Jul 2020
     Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes was born circa 940.6 He married Elstrude (?) de Flandres, daughter of Arnulf/Arnoul I "The Great" or "The Old" (?) comte de Flandres et d’Artois and Adèle/Alix (?) de Vermandois, in 964
; Racines et Histoire says m 960/965; Med Lands says m. 960/62.1,7,6,3,8
Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes died circa 965.1,9,6,8
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ELSTRUDE de Flandre (-966[162] or after). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[163]. According to the Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini, the couple were never married[164].
     "m ([960/65]) SIEGFRIED Comte de Guines, son of --- (-[965])."
Med Lands cites:
[162] When she gave birth to her husband's posthumous child.
[163] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 11, MGH SS XXIV, p. 568.
[164] Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini auctore Iohanne Longo de Ipra 27.2, MGH SS XXV, p. 776.10


; Per Racines et Histoire (Flandres): “2) Elstrude de Flandres ° ~932 + dès 966 (29/09/964 ?)
ép. 960/965 Sigfried, comte de Guines + ~965”


Per Racines et Histoire (Guines): “Siegfried (Sifrid) «Le Danois» + 965 ou 968 1er comte héréditaire de Guines (~928/29)
ép. 960/65 Elstrude de Flandres + 966 ou peu après (fille d’Arnoul 1er comte de Flandre et d’Adèle de Vermandois)”.3,11

; Per Genealogy.EU (Flandres 1): “C5. Elftrude, *ca 932; m.964 Siegfried, sn de Guines (+ca 965)”.12

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 2:5.
2. Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 171.
3. Liste des comtes de Guines French Wikipedia.6
GAV-29 EDV-28 GKJ-29.

; This is the same person as ”Siegfried I van Guînes” at Wikipedia (NL).4

; Per Med Lands:
     "SIEGFRIED, son of --- (-[965]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Sifridus" specifying that he was of Danish origin and "de eiusdem Walberti cognatione progenitus"[879]. His precise relationship with Walbert has not been identified. He was installed as Comte de Guines in 928.
     "m ([960/65]) ELSTRUDE de Flandre, daughter of ARNOUL I Count of Flanders & his [second] wife Adela de Vermandois (-966[880] or after). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[881]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[882]. According to the Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini, the couple were never married, their son Ardolf being illegitimate[883]."
Med Lands cites:
[879] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 7, MGH SS XXIV, p. 566.
[880] When she gave birth to her husband's posthumous child.
[881] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 11, MGH SS XXIV, p. 568.
[882] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 11, MGH SS XXIV, p. 568.
[883] Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini auctore Iohanne Longo de Ipra 27.2, MGH SS XXV, p. 776.8

Family

Elstrude (?) de Flandres b. c 941, d. a 966
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders1.html
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes d'Eu, p. 10: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Eu.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Flandre(s) Vlaanderen, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf
  4. [S4777] Wikipedia - De vrije encyclopedie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Siegfried I van Guînes: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_I_van_Gu%C3%AEnes. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia (NL).
  5. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Gu%C3%AEnes. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siegfried I 'le Danois': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331109&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elftrude of Flanders: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331110&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#SiegfriedGuinesdied965. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf, p. 3.
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLANDERS,%20HAINAUT.htm#Elftrudedied966.
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Guines, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Guines.pdf
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders1.html
  13. [S2114] Doug Smith, "Smith email 17 Dec 2006 "Early Comtes de Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Dec 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Smith email 17 Dec 2006."
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 2.

Guillaume II Crespin seigneur de Tillières1

M, #20460, d. after 1117
FatherGuillaume I Crespin seigneur et baron du Bec, seigneur de Bournainville1 d. a 1082
MotherEve de Montfort-l'Amaury1
Last Edited12 Feb 2010
     Guillaume II Crespin seigneur de Tillières married Agnès (?) dame d’Etrepagny.1

Guillaume II Crespin seigneur de Tillières died after 1117.1