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     Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes was born after 1101.⁵ He married Mahaut/Maud de Saint-Omer, daughter of Guillaume II de Saint-Omer Châtelain de Saint-Omer and Mélisende de Picquigny, between 1136 and 1137.^{8,5,6,9,10,11}

Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes died in 1169 at Newton, England.^12,13,8,5,6
Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes was buried in 1169 at Saint-Inglevert .¹⁴
     EDV-25 GKJ-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; This is the same person as "Arnould Ier de Guînes" at Wikipédia (Fr.)¹⁵ Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes was also known as Arnulf II Count of Guînes.¹³

; Per Med Lands:
     "ARNOUL van Gent, son of WENEMAR [I] Burggraaf van Gent & his second wife Gisela de Guines (-Newton, England 1169, bur Saint-Inglevert). He succeeded as Comte de Guines in 1146 after his great-niece Beatrix de Bourbourg was divorced by her first husband Aubrey [III] de Vere Earl of Oxford, who had been Comte de Guines de iure uxoris. "Arnoudus comes Ghisnensis" granted tax exemptions in his county to Gant Saint-Pierre by charter dated to [1127/69], signed by "Walterus comes, Alelmus de Ghisnes…Arnulfus vicecomes…"[1209]. “Arnulfus…Gisnensium comes et Mathildis […de S. Audomaro] comitissa uxor mea et Balduinus filius meus” donated property to "Abbati Gunfrido de Claromaresch" by charter dated to [1145][1210]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records the death of "comes Arnoldus" in 1169[1211]. The Chronica Andrensis records the death of "Arnoldus comes Gisnensis" while in England "in propria mansione sua apud Nevetona" and his burial "in Sontingeveld"[1212].
     "m (before [1145]) MATHILDE de Saint-Omer, daughter of GUILLAUME [II] Châtelain de Saint-Omer & his wife Mélisende de Picquigny (-after [1145]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Mathildis" as daughter of "Willelmus Andomarensis castellanus" & his wife, specifying that Mathilde married "Arnoldus Gandavensis" and brought Tournai as her dowry[1213]. “Arnulfus…Gisnensium comes et Mathildis […de S. Audomaro] comitissa uxor mea et Balduinus filius meus” donated property to "Abbati Gunfrido de Claromaresch" by charter dated to [1145][1214]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Guines): "A1. [2m.] Cte Arnould I, Cte de Guines, +1169; m. Mahaut, dau.of Guillaume de Saint-Omer by Millisende de Picquigny."¹⁴

; Per Racines et Histoire (Guînes): "Arnould II de Gand = Arnould 1er de Guines + 1169 (Ninventone=Newenton=Newton, GB) comte de Guines (1146, après sa petite-nièce Béatrix de Bourbourg et son ex-mari Aubrey III de Vere, earl of Oxford et comte de Guines) et de Gand
     ép.avant 1145 (~1135/37) Mahaut (Mathilde) de Saint-Omer, douairière de Tournai (fille de Guillaume II, Châtelain de Saint-Omer et de Mélisende de Picquigny ; de lignée carolingienne)"


Per Racines et Histoire (Gand): "2) Arnoul II de Gand (Arnould 1er de Guines) + ~1169 (Ninventone=Newenton=Newton, GB) succède à Guines à son oncle maternel Manassès (reçoit les serments & hommages de tous les nobles de son comté dès son accession au pouvoir ; s’intitule : «Arnoul, par la grâce de Dieu, comte de Guines» ; bienfaiteur ~1150/51 des églises de Thérouanne, Saint-Martin et Clairmarais)
     ép. Mahaut (Mathilde) de Saint-Omer ° ~1115 (fille de Guillaume et de Mélissende de Picquigny)"


Per Racines et Histoire (Saint-Omer): "Mathilde (Mahaut) de Saint-Omer ° ~1115 + après 1145 dame de Tournehem, douairière de Tournai (donation à Clairmarais par charte en 1145)
     ép. ~1136/37 Arnoul(d) 1er, comte de Guines (alias Arnould II de Gand) + ~1169 (Ninventone = Newenton = Newton, GB) comte de Gand (fils de Wenemar 1er, burggraf van Gent et de Gisela/Ghisle de Guines.)^16,17,9"

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE de Saint-Omer (-after [1145]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names (in order) "Mathildis…Eufemia…Gisla de Monasteriolo…Luchgardis et Beatrix" as the five daughters of "Willelmus Andomarensis castellanus" & his wife, specifying that Mathilde married "Arnoldus Gandavensis" and brought Tournai as her dowry[991]. “Arnulfus…Gisnensium comes et Mathildis […de S. Audomaro] comitissa uxor mea et Balduinus filius meus” donated property to "Abbati Gunfrido de Claromaresch" by charter dated to [1145][992].
     "m (before [1145]) ARNOUL [I] Comte de Guines, son of WENEMAR [I] Burggraaf van Gent & his second wife Gisela de Guines (-1169)."
Med Lands cites: He was Comte de Guînes
Per Wikipédia (Fr.): Seconde famille de Guînes (issue des châtelains de Gand)
     "1137-1169 : Arnould Ier (fils de Wenemar de Gand et de Gisèle de Guînes), épouse Mahaut de Saint-Omer (°v.1115 †?) between 1137 and 1169.¹⁸

     Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent was born before 1088.¹ He married Lutgarde (?) in 1101
; his 1st wife.^5,2,4 Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent married Gisele de Guines, daughter of Baudouin I (?) Comte de Guines and Adele/Christina (?), in 1106
; his 2nd wife.^1,6,2,4
Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent died circa 1140.
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 81.¹ EDV-28 GKJ-28. He was living in 1088.¹

     Gisele de Guines married Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent, son of Lambert II (?) Burggraf van Gent and Geyla (?), in 1106
; his 2nd wife.^7,8,2,4
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; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 81.¹

     Baudouin I (?) Comte de Guines married Adele/Christina (?), daughter of Floris (Florent) I (?) Graaf van Holland and Gertrude (?) von Sachsen.^1,2,3,4

Baudouin I (?) Comte de Guines died in 1091.
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 81.⁵

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
     "Baudouin Ier de Guînes, comte de Guînes, (°v.1038 †ap.1091), fils d'Eustache, comte de Guines et de Suzanne de Ghermines (ou de Gramines). Il succéda à son père au comté de Guînes avant 1065.
Biographie
     "L'histoire donne une idée avantageuse de sa valeur, de son savoir et de la régularité de ses mœurs ? il est dit très vaillant, signalé en probité de mœurs, doué d'une prudence et d'une modestie singulières,savant en lettres saintes et très pieux1.
     "Il succède à son père avant 1065, année où il est présent à la cour de Philippe Ier, roi de France, avec le comte de Flandre et autres grands seigneurs, cités dans une charte du roi, expédiée à Corbie, en faveur de l'abbaye d'Hasnon, signée des prélats, comtes et barons présents, dont l'archevêque de Reims Gervais de Belleme, l'évêque de Noyon Baudouin 1er, l'évêque d'Amiens Guy d'Amiens, etc2. Sont également présents Eustache II de Boulogne, comte de Boulogne, Gautier comte d'Hesdin, Gautier châtelain de Douai, Robert avoué d'Arras, seigneur de Béthune, Arnould d'Ardres (seigneurs d'Ardres).
     "En 1070, il prit le parti de Robert le Frison, frère cadet de Baudouin VI de Flandre, contre Richilde de Hainaut et son fils, Arnoul III de Flandre, prétendant au comté de Flandre, dans la guerre pour la Flandre.
     "En 1071, il participa à la bataille de Cassel et Broqueroies.
     "En 1079, il fit le pèlerinage de Saint-Jacques-de-Compostelle avec Enguerrand, seigneur de Lillers. Au retour Baudouin, tomba malade, il fut très bien soigné à l'abbaye Saint-Sauveur de Charroux. En récompense, ils offrirent tous deux de créer des monastères attachés à leurs fiefs. De là provient l'origine des abbayes de Saint-Rotrude d'Andres (près de Guînes) et de Ham (près de Lillers). Beaudoin Ier et Adèle Chrétienne, son épouse furent inhumés dans l'abbaye d'Andernes. Cette abbaye fut ruinée par les Anglais en 1347, rétablie ensuite, et totalement détruite en 1544 par les mêmes Anglais.
     "Baudoin Ier eut une guerre de plume et d'épée contre Arnoul Ier, seigneur d'Ardres, (Seigneurs d'Ardres), rapporte le chroniqueur Lambert d'Ardres. Selon ce dernier, il renonça lorsque Arnoul Ier fit allégeance à Robert II, fils de Robert le Frison, devenu comte de Flandre le 22 février 1071 en tant que vainqueur de la bataille de Cassel, en l'absence de celui-ci parti en pèlerinage en Terre-Sainte.
     "Baudouin meurt vers 1091, sept ans après sa femme. Il est enterré auprès d'elle dans la chapelle de l'abbaye d'Andres1
Mariage et enfants
     "Il épousa Adèle Chrétienne de Hollande (°v.1045 †1085), fille de Florent Ier de Hollande. Ils eurent pour enfants:
** Gisèle ou Gilette (°v.1075 †?), épouse vers 1101 Wenemar de Gand (°v.1070 † 1120) 3e Burgrave de Gand, puis châtelain de Gand, seigneur de Bornhem. Le couple donna naissance notamment à un fils Arnoul de Gand, futur Arnould Ier de Guînes
Références
1. Du Chesne, cité dans les sources, p. 22
2. André Du Chesne, cité dans les sources, p. 20-21
3. Le cartulaire de Marcigny-sur-Loire. Essai de reconstitution d'un manuscrit disparu éd. J. Richard, Paris, 1953.
4. Du Chesne, option citée, p. 23
5. Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 25, MGH SS XXIV, p. 574.
6. Guy comte de "Forois" de l'Historia comitum Ghisnensium Lire en ligne [archive]
Voir aussi
Sources
** L'art de vérifier les dates des faits historiques, des chartes, des chroniques et autres anciens … par Maur-François Dantine, Charles Clémencet, Saint-Allais (Nicolas Viton), Ursin Durand, François Clément
** Notice historique sur l'état ancien et moderne du Calaisis, de l'Ardresis et des pays de … Par Pierre Jean M. Collet.
** André Du Chesne, Histoire généalogique des maisons de Guines, d'Ardres, de Gand et de Coucy et de quelques autres familles illustres, Paris, 1632, lire en ligne [archive].
Articles connexes
** Comté de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comt%C3%A9_de_Gu%C3%AEnes
** Liste des comtes de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Gu%C3%AEnes
** Eustache Ier de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustache_Ier_de_Gu%C3%AEnes
** Manassès Ier de Guînes: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manass%C3%A8s_Ier_de_Gu%C3%AEnes."⁶

; Per Genealogy.EU: "[her parentage is not conclusively proven] Adela=Christina, +1085; m.Cte Baudoin I de Guines."^2,4

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Baudouin 1er de Guines + avant 1097 ou ~1100 comte de Guines (dès 1065) (fonde l’Abbaye d’Ardres en 1097)
     ép. Adélaïde (Adela, Adèle, Christina) de Westfriesland (Hollande) + 1085/87 (très probable fille de Floris (Florent) 1er, comte de Hollande (WestFrise), et de Gertrud de Saxe.)⁷"

; Per Med Lands:
     "BAUDOUIN de Guines, son of EUSTACHE Comte de Guines & his wife Susanne de Grimmingen (-before 1097). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Balduinum, Willelmum et Reinelmum, Adelam et Beatricem" as the children of "Eustacius [comes Ghisnensi]" & his wife[1163]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Guines. An undated charter records donations to the chapel of Notre-Dame "in castro Gisnensi", including the donation made by "Balduinus comes Gisnensis" of "duas mansiones in castro supra dicto et terram de Hautingahem…" with the consent of "filiis suis Manasse, Fulcone, Hugone, Widone et Mathilde", witnessed by "Ida Boloniensi comitissa, Ernulfo de Arda, Elemberto vicecomite, Mauritio et Alulpho filio eius…"[1164]. "Balduini comitis et uxoris sive filiorum" donated property to "monachorum cœnobii S. Salvatoris Carosensis" by charter dated 1084[1165]. The cartulary of the abbey of Charroux records the founding of the abbey of Ardres by "Balduinius comes Gisnensis" in 1097, confirmed following his death by "filius eius Manasses", the charter being subscribed by "Hugo archidiaconus frater Manassis comitis…Fulco frater comitis"[1166]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records the death of "Balduinus" and his burial "cum duobus filiis suis Widone et Hugone, Andrie"[1167].
     "m ADELA [Christina] [of Holland, daughter of FLORIS I Count [of Holland] & his wife Gertrud of Saxony] (-1085). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "viri Lotharie et milicie ducis florigeri Florentini filiam Adelam…dicta Cristiana" as wife of "Balduinum [comem Ghisnensi]"[1168]. The passage contains no direct reference to the Counts of Holland, although the first name "Florentinus" is indicative and has not been found in other contemporary noble families. If Adela belonged to the family of the Counts of Holland, the text is chronologically consistent with Count Floris I being her father. This hypothesis assumes that the text correctly names Adela's father in the first place. This is far from certain in light of the numerous inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the early parts of the Historia. In addition, none of the names typically associated with the family of the Counts of Holland are found among the couple's descendants. Jean Bishop of Tournai confirmed the foundation of the monastery of Andres by "Balduinum piæ memoriæ comitem Gisnensem uxoremque eius Athelam" by charter dated 1122 which names "filiisque eius Manasse, Fulcone, Hugone, Widone"[1169]."
Med Lands cites:

     Adele/Christina (?) married Baudouin I (?) Comte de Guines, son of Eustace (?) Count de Guines and Susanne de Gramines.^8,2,3,4

Adele/Christina (?) died in 1085.²
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: "[her parentage is not conclusively proven] Adela=Christina, +1085; m.Cte Baudoin I de Guines."^2,4

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Baudouin 1er de Guines + avant 1097 ou ~1100 comte de Guines (dès 1065) (fonde l’Abbaye d’Ardres en 1097)
     ép. Adélaïde (Adela, Adèle, Christina) de Westfriesland (Hollande) + 1085/87 (très probable fille de Floris (Florent) 1er, comte de Hollande (WestFrise), et de Gertrud de Saxe.)⁹"

; Per Med Lands:
     "BAUDOUIN de Guines, son of EUSTACHE Comte de Guines & his wife Susanne de Grimmingen (-before 1097). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Balduinum, Willelmum et Reinelmum, Adelam et Beatricem" as the children of "Eustacius [comes Ghisnensi]" & his wife[1163]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Guines. An undated charter records donations to the chapel of Notre-Dame "in castro Gisnensi", including the donation made by "Balduinus comes Gisnensis" of "duas mansiones in castro supra dicto et terram de Hautingahem…" with the consent of "filiis suis Manasse, Fulcone, Hugone, Widone et Mathilde", witnessed by "Ida Boloniensi comitissa, Ernulfo de Arda, Elemberto vicecomite, Mauritio et Alulpho filio eius…"[1164]. "Balduini comitis et uxoris sive filiorum" donated property to "monachorum cœnobii S. Salvatoris Carosensis" by charter dated 1084[1165]. The cartulary of the abbey of Charroux records the founding of the abbey of Ardres by "Balduinius comes Gisnensis" in 1097, confirmed following his death by "filius eius Manasses", the charter being subscribed by "Hugo archidiaconus frater Manassis comitis…Fulco frater comitis"[1166]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records the death of "Balduinus" and his burial "cum duobus filiis suis Widone et Hugone, Andrie"[1167].
     "m ADELA [Christina] [of Holland, daughter of FLORIS I Count [of Holland] & his wife Gertrud of Saxony] (-1085). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "viri Lotharie et milicie ducis florigeri Florentini filiam Adelam…dicta Cristiana" as wife of "Balduinum [comem Ghisnensi]"[1168]. The passage contains no direct reference to the Counts of Holland, although the first name "Florentinus" is indicative and has not been found in other contemporary noble families. If Adela belonged to the family of the Counts of Holland, the text is chronologically consistent with Count Floris I being her father. This hypothesis assumes that the text correctly names Adela's father in the first place. This is far from certain in light of the numerous inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the early parts of the Historia. In addition, none of the names typically associated with the family of the Counts of Holland are found among the couple's descendants. Jean Bishop of Tournai confirmed the foundation of the monastery of Andres by "Balduinum piæ memoriæ comitem Gisnensem uxoremque eius Athelam" by charter dated 1122 which names "filiisque eius Manasse, Fulcone, Hugone, Widone"[1169]."
Med Lands cites: EDV-29 GKJ-29.

; Per Med Lands:
     "[ADELA [Christina] (-1085). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "viri Lotharie et milicie ducis florigeri Florentini filiam Adelam…dicta Cristiana" as wife of "Balduinum [comem Ghisnensi]"[367]. The passage contains no direct reference to the Counts of Holland, although the first name "Florentinus" is indicative and has not been found in other contemporary noble families. If Adela belonged to the family of the Counts of Holland, the text is chronologically consistent with Count Floris I being her father. This hypothesis assumes that the text correctly names Adela's father in the first place. This is far from certain in light of the numerous inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the early parts of the Historia. In addition, none of the names typically associated with the family of the Counts of Holland are found among the couple's descendants.
     "m BAUDOUIN I Comte de Guines, son of EUSTACHE Comte de Guines & his wife Susanne de Grimmingen (-[1100]).]"
Med lands cites: [367] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 25, MGH SS XXIV, p. 573.⁴

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 81.³

     Eustace (?) Count de Guines married Susanne de Gramines.

Eustace (?) Count de Guines died in 1052.
     GAV-28 EDV-29.

     Susanne de Gramines married Eustace (?) Count de Guines, son of Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne and Roselle de St. Pol.

     GAV-28 EDV-29.

     Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne married Roselle de St. Pol, daughter of (?) de St. Pol Count de St. Pol, circa 1000.²

Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne died in 1036.
      ; "The origin of this most ancient and distinguished family is traced from the Counts of Guisnes, in Picardy, a race of nobles descended from the Scandinavian rulers of Denmark. Rodolph, 3rd Count of Guisnes, had three sons, by his wife Rosetta, dau. of the Count de St. Pol, all of whom accompanied William the Conqueror in his expedition against England, in 1066, and contributing to the triumph of their chief, shared amply in the spoils of conquest. One of the brothers returned to his native country; the other two adopted that which they had so gallantly helped to win, and abided there. Of these, Sir William le Blount, the younger, was general of foot at Hastings, and was rewarded by grants of seven lordships in Lincolnshire; his son was seated at Saxlingham, in Norfolk, and the great granddau. of that gentleman, sole heiress of her line, Maria le Blount, marrying, in the next century, Sir Stephen le Blount, the descendant and representative of her great-great-great-uncle, Sir Robert le Blount, united the families of the two brothers."³ GAV-29 EDV-30. Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne was also known as Rodolph (?) 3rd Count of Guisnes.³ Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne was also known as Rodolphe (?) de Guines.⁴

     Roselle de St. Pol married Raoul (?) comte de Guines et de Boulogne, son of Ardolph (?) comte de Guines and Mathilde/Maud (?) de Boulogne, circa 1000.²

     GAV-27.

; van de Pas cites: Information in regard Crepin/Bec-Crespin from HRH Princess Michael.² Roselle de St. Pol was also known as Rosetta de St. Pol.¹ Roselle de St. Pol was also known as Roselle de Saint-Paul.²

     Ardolph (?) comte de Guines married Mathilde/Maud (?) de Boulogne, daughter of Ernicule (Arnoul II) (?) de Boulogne.^2,1
Ardolph (?) comte de Guines was born in 966.
Ardolph (?) comte de Guines died in 996.
     GAV-30 EDV-29 GKJ-28.

     Mathilde/Maud (?) de Boulogne married Ardolph (?) comte de Guines, son of Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes and Elstrude (?) de Flandres.^3,1

     GAV-28.

     John Bethune 2nd of Balfour married Catherine Stewart, daughter of Sir Robert Stewart of Innermeath,
; had issue (see BURKE's L.G. 1906 edn.)^2,1,3,4
     Reference:
Genealogics cites:
1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 508
2. Burke's Landed Gentry. (1972) 859.⁴ John Bethune 2nd of Balfour was also known as John Beatoun of Balfour.²

     Isabel Stewart married Sir William Oliphant of Aberdalgy
; her 1st husband.^4,5 Isabel Stewart married Sir David Murray of Gask
; her 2nd husband.

     James Dundas 11th of that Ilk married Christian Stewart, daughter of Sir John Stewart Lord of Innermeath and Lorn, 1st of Grandtully and Isobel/Isabella de Ergadia,
; his 2nd wife, had issue.^1,2
James Dundas 11th of that Ilk died between 1430 and 1431.²

     Louis de Bournonville married Silvie (?)¹

Louis de Bournonville died circa 1126.
     GAV-25 EDV-26.

     Gerard de Bournonville married Eleburg de Seclis.

Gerard de Bournonville died in 1084.
     GAV-26 EDV-27.

     Eleburg de Seclis married Gerard de Bournonville, son of Guillaume de Bournonville and (?) de Bournonville.

     GAV-26 EDV-27.

     Guillaume de Bournonville married (?) de Bournonville, daughter of Gerard de Bournonville.

Guillaume de Bournonville died in 1071.
     GAV-27 EDV-28.

     (?) de Bournonville married Guillaume de Bournonville, son of Eustace (?) Count de Guines and Susanne de Gramines.

     GAV-27 EDV-27.

     Janet Stewart married Sir Colin Campbell 1st of Glenorchy, Perthshire circa 1448
; his 2nd wife.^1,2

     Elstrude (?) de Flandres was born circa 941; Genealogics says b. ca 941; Genealogy.EU says b. ca 932.^2,1,7 She married Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes in 964
; Racines et Histoire says m 960/965; Med Lands says m. 960/62.^2,7,10,3,11
Elstrude (?) de Flandres died after 966; Racines et Histoire says b. " dès 966"; Med Lands says d. "966 or after."^1,8
      ; According to The Henry Project:
     "Elftrude, said to have been impregnated by Siegfried "the Dane" (Sifridus Dachus), ruler in Guînes (also possibly mythical).
Lambert of Ardres, writing at the end of the twelfth or beginning of the thirteenth century, in his very legendary account of the counts of Guînes, gives count Baldwin III of Flanders a sister Elstrude (i.e., Elftrude) who was impregnated by Siegfried, a relative of the king of Denmark who was then said to be ruling in Guînes ["Habuit autem iam dictus comes Balduinus mire pulchritudinis sororem, a Balduini Ferrei quondam uxore Elstrude nominatam Elstrudem, cuius Sifridus nimio languebat amore; cui post multi amoris colloquia furtivaque ardoris oblectamenta demum nolenti velle, immo nolle volenti, sine vi ludendo vim intulit et eam clanculo impregnavit." Lambert of Ardres, Historia Comitum Ghisnensium, c. 11, MGH SS 24: 568]. This supposedly resulted in the birth of a son, baptised by Arnulf II under the name of Ardolf, who was later first count of Guînes ["... Peperit autem Elstrudis filium, quem Arnoldus Flandrie comes de fonte levavit et nomen ei Ardolphum indidit et imposuit, eiusque omnimode curam egit et matris." ibid., c. 12, MGH SS 24: 568].
     "There are good reasons to question Lambert's reliability on these claims. Not only was he writing well over 200 years after these alleged events (which are not confirmed by sources independent of Lambert), but he makes some serious mistakes (e.g., having Baldwin III survive his father and having his own reign, having Arnulf II be an adult at his succession) which indicate that he was not well informed about the history of Flanders in the middle of the tenth century. In addition, Lambert's story about Siegfried and Elftrude looks suspiciously similar to the story of Baldwin I of Flanders and Judith of France."¹²

Reference: Genealogics cites: GAV-29 EDV-28 GKJ-29. Elstrude (?) de Flandres was also known as Elftrude (?) of Flanders.^2,1

; Per Racines et Histoire (Flandres): “2) Elstrude de Flandres ° ~932 + dès 966 (29/09/964 ?)
ép. 960/965 Sigfried, comte de Guines + ~965”


Per Racines et Histoire (Guines): “Siegfried (Sifrid) «Le Danois» + 965 ou 968 1er comte héréditaire de Guines (~928/29)
ép. 960/65 Elstrude de Flandres + 966 ou peu après (fille d’Arnoul 1er comte de Flandre et d’Adèle de Vermandois)”.^3,13

; Per Med Lands:
     "ELSTRUDE de Flandre (-966[162] or after). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[163]. According to the Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini, the couple were never married[164].
     "m ([960/65]) SIEGFRIED Comte de Guines, son of --- (-[965])."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Flandres 1): “C5. Elftrude, *ca 932; m.964 Siegfried, sn de Guines (+ca 965)”.¹⁴

; Per Med Lands:
     "SIEGFRIED, son of --- (-[965]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Sifridus" specifying that he was of Danish origin and "de eiusdem Walberti cognatione progenitus"[879]. His precise relationship with Walbert has not been identified. He was installed as Comte de Guines in 928.
     "m ([960/65]) ELSTRUDE de Flandre, daughter of ARNOUL I Count of Flanders & his [second] wife Adela de Vermandois (-966[880] or after). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[881]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[882]. According to the Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini, the couple were never married, their son Ardolf being illegitimate[883]."
Med Lands cites:

     Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes was born circa 940.⁶ He married Elstrude (?) de Flandres, daughter of Arnulf/Arnoul I "The Great" or "The Old" (?) comte de Flandres et d’Artois and Adèle/Alix (?) de Vermandois, in 964
; Racines et Histoire says m 960/965; Med Lands says m. 960/62.^1,7,6,3,8
Siegfried "le Danois" (?) 1st Graaf van Guînes died circa 965.^1,9,6,8
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ELSTRUDE de Flandre (-966[162] or after). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[163]. According to the Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini, the couple were never married[164].
     "m ([960/65]) SIEGFRIED Comte de Guines, son of --- (-[965])."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Flandres): “2) Elstrude de Flandres ° ~932 + dès 966 (29/09/964 ?)
ép. 960/965 Sigfried, comte de Guines + ~965”


Per Racines et Histoire (Guines): “Siegfried (Sifrid) «Le Danois» + 965 ou 968 1er comte héréditaire de Guines (~928/29)
ép. 960/65 Elstrude de Flandres + 966 ou peu après (fille d’Arnoul 1er comte de Flandre et d’Adèle de Vermandois)”.^3,11

; Per Genealogy.EU (Flandres 1): “C5. Elftrude, *ca 932; m.964 Siegfried, sn de Guines (+ca 965)”.¹²

Reference: Genealogics cites: GAV-29 EDV-28 GKJ-29.

; This is the same person as ”Siegfried I van Guînes” at Wikipedia (NL).⁴

; Per Med Lands:
     "SIEGFRIED, son of --- (-[965]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Sifridus" specifying that he was of Danish origin and "de eiusdem Walberti cognatione progenitus"[879]. His precise relationship with Walbert has not been identified. He was installed as Comte de Guines in 928.
     "m ([960/65]) ELSTRUDE de Flandre, daughter of ARNOUL I Count of Flanders & his [second] wife Adela de Vermandois (-966[880] or after). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[881]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "comes Balduinus sororem…Elstrudem" as wife of "Sifridus"[882]. According to the Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini, the couple were never married, their son Ardolf being illegitimate[883]."
Med Lands cites:

     Laurence (?) married Gilbert III Crespin seigneur de Tillières, Damville et Bourth, son of Gilbert II Crespin seigneur de Tillières and Hersende (?).¹

     Guillaume II Crespin seigneur de Tillières married Agnès (?) dame d’Etrepagny.¹

Guillaume II Crespin seigneur de Tillières died after 1117.¹