Gui (?) Count de Boulogne1

M, #23641
FatherErnicule (Arnoul II) (?) de Boulogne2 d. 972
Last Edited5 Mar 2004

Ernicule (Arnoul II) (?) de Boulogne1

M, #23642, d. 972
FatherArnoul I (?) de Boulogne b. bt 920 - 925, d. a 31 Jan 972
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited25 Jul 2020
     Ernicule (Arnoul II) (?) de Boulogne died in 972.2
     ; per Alden: ERNICULE de Boulogne . m ---.
i) ARNOUL de Boulogne . The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Ernulpho...et Eustacio" as the two sons of "Bolonie comitem...Erniculum"[79].
ii) EUSTACHE de Boulogne . The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Ernulpho...et Eustacio" as the two sons of "Bolonie comitem...Erniculum"[80].
iii) MATHILDE de Boulogne . The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Bolonie comitis Erniculi filiam Mathildem" as wife of "Ardolphus"[81]. m ARDOLF Comte de Guines, son of SIEGFRIED Comte de Guines & his wife Elstrude de Flandre (966-).3
GAV-29.2

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I30813
  3. [S2114] Doug Smith, "Smith email 17 Dec 2006 "Early Comtes de Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 Dec 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Smith email 17 Dec 2006."

Lady Catherine/Elizabeth Campbell1,2

F, #23643
FatherArchibald Campbell 2nd Earl of Argyll1 d. 9 Sep 1513
MotherElizabeth Stewart1
Last Edited10 Jul 2006
     Lady Catherine/Elizabeth Campbell married Lachlan Cattanach Maclean 1st Lachlan Maclean of Duart; her 1st husband; his 2nd wife.3,2,4 Lady Catherine/Elizabeth Campbell married Archibald Campbell of Anchinbrech; her 2nd husband; has issue.1,2
     ; van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference Page 480
2. the Scots Peerage 1902-1914, nine volumes, Paul, Sir James Balfour, Reference: 337.2

; per van de Pas: "Daughter of Archibald Campbell, 2nd Earl of Argyll and lady Elizabeth Stewart, Lady Catherine married Lachlan Cattanach Maclean of Duart who il-treated her and was slain by her brother Sir John Campbell of Calder. then she married Archibald Campbell of Auchinbreck."2

; Catherine/ Elizabeth, m 1st Lachlan Maclean of Dowart (see MACLEAN, Bt, Of Dowart), m 2nd Archibald Campbell of Anchinbrech and had issue (see CAMPBELL, Bt of Anchinbrech.)3

Family 1

Archibald Campbell of Anchinbrech

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Argyll Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Catherine (Elizabeth?) Campbell: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00269073&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Argyll Family Page (see MACLEAN, Bt, Of Dowart).
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lachlan Cattanach Maclean of Duart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00454901&tree=LEO

Silvie (?)1

F, #23645
ReferenceGAV25 EDV26
Last Edited13 Feb 2003
     Silvie (?) married Louis de Bournonville, son of Gerard de Bournonville and Eleburg de Seclis.1
     GAV-25 EDV-26.

Évrard IV Radulf de Mortagne Châtelain de Tournai, seigneur de Mortagne1,2,3,4

M, #23646, b. between 1190 and 1200, d. 1226
FatherBaudouin de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne5,6,7,4 d. a 21 May 1208
MotherHildiarde de Wavrin2,8,7,4
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited10 Aug 2020
     Évrard IV Radulf de Mortagne Châtelain de Tournai, seigneur de Mortagne was born between 1190 and 1200; Racines et Histoire (Enghien) says b. 1195; Racines et Histoire (van Peteghem) says b. ca 1200; Med Lands ays b. 1190/1200.3,9,4 He married Mahaut/Elisabeth d'Enghien, daughter of Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien and Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes, in 1215;
His 1st wife.2,10,7,4,11,3 Évrard IV Radulf de Mortagne Châtelain de Tournai, seigneur de Mortagne married Elisabeth (?) Burggravin van Kortrijk, Vrouwe van Nevele, daughter of Roger III (?) Burggraaf van Kortrijk and Beatrix van Nevele, after 1218;
His 2nd wife; her 1st husband.4,7,12,13
Évrard IV Radulf de Mortagne Châtelain de Tournai, seigneur de Mortagne died in 1226; Med Lands ays d 8 Jan/Jul 1226.2,14,4
     ; Per Racines et Histoire (Enghien): “1) Mahaut ou Ida (Elisabeth) d’Enghien ° ~1203 + ~1250
     ép. 1215 Evrard IV Radulf de Tournai ° 1195 + 1226 (ou 1250 ?) Burggrave de Tournai, Pair de Flandres, seigneur de Mortagne (fils de Baudouin et d’Hildiarde de Wavrin)”.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "ISABELLE d’Enghien (-1218 or after). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “Evrardum Raduel”, son of "Balduinus de Mortania" and his wife, married "filiam domini Engelberti de Enghien ex Adelina filia domini Jacobi de Avennes"[1376].
     "m as his first wife, EVERARD [IV] Radoul Châtelain de Tournai Seigneur de Mortagne, son of BAUDOUIN Châtelain de Tournai & his wife Hildrade de Wavrin (-[8 Jan/Jul] 1226)."
Med Lands cites:
[1376] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 553.10


; This is the same person as ”Évrard IV Radoul” at Wikipédia (FR).15 Évrard IV Radulf de Mortagne Châtelain de Tournai, seigneur de Mortagne was also known as Évrard IV Radoul de Mortagne Châtelain de Tournai, seigneur de Mortagne.15 EDV-24 GKJ-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1155.7

; Per Med Lands:
     "EVERARD [IV] Radoul ([1190/1200?]-[8 Jan/Jul] 1226). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names “Evrardum Raduel” as the son of "Balduinus de Mortania" and his wife "filiam senescalli Flandriæ...Hediardem"[1914]. “Balduinus dominus de Mauritanie et sponsa mea Heldiardis cum filio nostro Radul” donated water adjacent to their church to the abbey du Château by charter dated to [1192][1915]. “Bald. Tornacensis castellanus et Mauritanie dominus” approved donations to Saint-Martin du Château and Saint-Nicolas de Mortagne, made by “Walterus Mausclers miles de Forest”, with the consent of “uxoris nostre Heldiardis et...filii nostri primogeniti Evrardi et aliorum tam filiorum quam filiarum nostrorum”, by charter dated 21 Feb 1208[1916]. Châtelain de Tournai. Seigneur de Mortagne. “Evrardus Raddo dominus de Mauritania et castellanus Tornacensis” approved the donation to Tournai Saint-Martin made by “Matheus de Hera” by charter dated 1213[1917]. “Everardus Rodulfus de Mortania castellanus Tornacensis et frater meus Hellinus” confirmed donations to the Templars made by “avus noster bone memorie dominus Everardus Radolfus...pater etiam noster dominus Balduinus” by charter dated Mar 1215[1918]. “Everardo Radoul domino Mauritanensi castellano Tornacensi” corrected damage done to the church of Tournai by charter dated 1222[1919]. Milon Bishop of Beauvais notified an agreement concerning various rights between the abbeys of Saint-Amand, Tournai Saint-Martin and Tournai Saint-Nicolas des Prés and “Everardum Radol castellanum Tornacensem” by charter dated 8 Jan 1226[1920]. He is named as deceased in his brother Hellin’s Aug 1226 charter quoted below.
     "m firstly ISABELLE d’Enghien, daughter of ENGELBERT [III] Seigneur d’Enghien & his wife Ida [Adelaide] d’Avesnes (-1218). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “Evrardum Raduel”, son of "Balduinus de Mortania" and his wife, married "filiam domini Engelberti de Enghien ex Adelina filia domini Jacobi de Avennes"[1921].
     "m secondly (after 1218) ELISABETH [Isabelle] de Courtrai Vrouw van Nevele, daughter of ROGER [II] Châtelain de Courtrai & his wife Beatrix van Nevele (-before Mar 1246). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “Evrardum Raduel”, son of "Balduinus de Mortania" and his wife, married secondly "hæredem...terræ de Nevella juxta Gandavum"[1922]. A charter dated Mar 1246 records an arbitration, naming “dame Ysabiaus ki mere fu mon segneur Mikiel de Niviele mon segneur Evrart Radour et mon segneur Rogier devant dit drois oirs”[1923]."
Med Lands cites:
[1914] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 553.
[1915] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 20, p. 24.
[1916] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 37, p. 42.
[1917] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 41, p. 47.
[1918] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 42, p. 48.
[1919] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, XCVI, p. 415.
[1920] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 57, p. 65.
[1921] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 553.
[1922] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 553.
[1923] Tailliar, E. F. J. (1849) Recueil d’actes des XII et XIII siécles en langue romane wallonne du nord de la France (Douai), 75, p. 135.4


; Per Racines et Histoire (Tournai): “Evrard IV Radulf ° ~1200 + ~1250 Burggrave de Tournai, seigneur de Mortagne
     ép. 1) Elisabeth d’Enghien (alias Mathilda van Edingen)
     ép. 2) Elisabeth de Nevele, burggravine de Kortrijk (Courtrai) ° ~1198 + ~1250 (1246 ?) ”.9

; Per Genealogy.EU (Doornick 2): “B1. Everard IV Radulf, Burggrave of Doornick, +1226; 1m: Elizabeth d'Enghien; 2m: Elizabeth de Nevele, Burggravine of Kortrijk (+ca 1246)”.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "ELISABETH [Isabelle] (-before Mar 1246). Heiress of Nevele. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “Evrardum Raduel”, son of "Balduinus de Mortania" and his wife, married secondly "hæredem...terræ de Nevella juxta Gandavum"[163]. A charter dated Mar 1246 records an arbitration, naming “dame Ysabiaus ki mere fu mon segneur Mikiel de Niviele mon segneur Evrart Radour et mon segneur Rogier devant dit drois oirs”[164].
     "m (after 1218) as his second wife, EVERARD Radoul Châtelain de Tournai Seigneur de Mortagne, son of BAUDOUIN Châtelain de Tournai & his wife Hildrade de Wavrin (-[8 Jan/Jul] 1226)."
Med Lands cites:
[163] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 553.
[164] Tailliar, E. F. J. (1849) Recueil d’actes des XII et XIII siécles en langue romane wallonne du nord de la France (Douai), 75, p. 135.13
He was living in 1192.7

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard IV Radulf: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174588&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EverardIVRadulfTournaidied1226. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174586&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard IV Radulf: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174588&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hediarde (de Wavrin ?): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174587&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Tournai & de Mortagne Famille Van Peteg(h)em, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/van-Peteghem-Tournai.pdf
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IsabelleEnghienMEverardTournai
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut/Elisabeth d'Enghien: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115606&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174590&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#ElisabethCourtraiM1EverardIVRadoulTourna
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3.
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Évrard IV Radoul: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vrard_IV_Radoul. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174591&tree=LEO
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard Radulf de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197510&tree=LEO

Baudouin de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne1,2

M, #23647, d. after 21 May 1208
FatherEverard III Radulf de Mortagne Burggrave of Doornick, Castellan of Tournai2,3,1 d. a 1189
MotherGertrude (?) de Montaigu2,4,1
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited10 Aug 2020
     Baudouin de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne married Hildiarde de Wavrin, daughter of Robert de Wavrin and Adélide/Adele (?) de Guines.1,2
Baudouin de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne died after 21 May 1208.1
     EDV-25 GKJ-25.5

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1154
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 88.2 He was living in 1166.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174586&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard III Radulf de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174522&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gertrude de Montaigu: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120737&tree=LEO
  5. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31853
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie de Tournai: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174885&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard IV Radulf: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174588&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EverardIVRadulfTournaidied1226. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Hildiarde de Wavrin1

F, #23648
FatherRobert de Wavrin2 d. 1198
MotherAdélide/Adele (?) de Guines3
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited10 Aug 2020

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31854
  2. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31861
  3. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31862
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174586&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie de Tournai: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174885&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hediarde (de Wavrin ?): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174587&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard IV Radulf: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174588&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EverardIVRadulfTournaidied1226. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Robert de Wavrin1

M, #23649, d. 1198
FatherRoger III de Wavrin Senechal of Flanders2 d. a 1160
MotherMathilda (?) de Lens2
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Robert de Wavrin married Adélide/Adele (?) de Guines, daughter of Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes and Mahaut/Maud de Saint-Omer;
Her 2nd husband.3,4
Robert de Wavrin died in 1198.1
     ; per FMG: "ROBERT de Wavrin . 1174/1209. "Philippus Flandrie et Viromandie comes" issued a judgment dated 1177 in favour of Arras St Vaast in a claim by "Hellinus de Wavrin dapifer noster et Robertus de Seugin frater eius" relating to mills in "Anuelin et Donz"[39]. m as her second husband, ADELIDE de Guines, widow of HUGUES Châtelain de Lille, daughter of ARNOUL Comte de Guines & his wife Mathilde de Saint-Omer. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names (in order) "Margaretam…Beatricem…Adelidem …Eufemiam et Luthgaudam…Mathildem…Ghislam…Agnetem" as the eight daughters of "Willelmus Andomarensis castellanus" & his wife, specifying that Marguerite married firstly "Insulensi castellano Hugoni" (specifying that he was "prius Sancti Piati Seclinensis preoposito") and secondly "Roberto de Waveriaco, fratri Hellini Flandrie dapiferi sive senescali", specifying that her dowry was "apud Senghiniacum"[40]."5 EDV-26 GKJ-26.1
; Per Genealogy.EU (Guines): “B8. Adelide de Guines; 1m: Hugo, chatelain de Lille; 2m: Robert de Wavrin”.6
; Per Racines et Histoire (Guines): “Adélide de Guines
     ép. 1) Hugues II + ~1169 ou Renaud II ? Châtelain de Lille + ~1163
     ép. 2) Robert de Wavrin + ~1209 (fils de Roger III de Wavrin et de Mathilde de Lens)”.7
; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELAIDE de Guines . The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names (in order) "Margaretam…Beatricem…Adelidem …Eufemiam et Luthgaudam…Mathildem…Ghislam…Agnetem" as the eight daughters of "Gandavense Arnoldo" & his wife, specifying that Marguerite married firstly "Insulensi castellano Hugoni" (specifying that he was "prius Sancti Piati Seclinensis preoposito") and secondly "Roberto de Waveriaco, fratri Hellini Flandrie dapiferi sive senescali", specifying that her dowry was "apud Senghiniacum"[969]. Duchesne indicated that “Hugoni” in the Historia represents an error for “Reinaldi” and that Adelaide therefore married Renaud Châtelain de Lille as his third wife[970]. He highlighted “lettres à S. Wast d’Arras” in which Adelaide’s second husband declared holding “icelle terre de Senghin...à cause de sa femme” (this land having previously formed part of the dowry of Renaud’s [second] wife Mathilde de Wavrin) and that Adelaide would have to return it to “Jean chastelain de Lille fils du chastellain Hugues et de Hermentrude, qui en estoit le proprietaire”. Leuridan supposes that Mathilde’s property would have returned to the Wavrin family after she died without surviving children[971], although if that is correct it is not clear how Renaud could then have given it to Adelaide de Guines if she had been his third wife. An alternative property agreement between the Wavrin and Lille families seems likely, under which part of Mathilde’s dowry was transferred to the Lille family (maybe as part of an exchange) and that Châtelain Hugues granted it to Adelaide as dowry on their marriage. Whatever the property arrangements, the Historia mentions Hugues’s prior ecclesiastical appointment which does seem to identify him as Adelaide’s husband: there is no record of Châtelain Renaud holding any ecclesiastical position and, even if he had, he would have resigned it much earlier (in view of his two marriages) so mentioning it in the Historia would not have been relevant.
     "m firstly HUGUES Châtelain de Lille, son of --- (-[1169/74]).
     "m secondly ROBERT de Wavrin, son of ROGER [III] de Wavrin & his first wife Mathilde [de Lens] (-1209 or after)."
Med Lands cites:
[969] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 48, MGH SS XXIV, p. 585.
[970] Duchesne (1631), Guines, pp. 447-8.
[971] Leuridan ‘La châtellenie de Lille’ (1901), p. 73.
[972] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 48, MGH SS XXIV, p. 585.4

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31861
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Chapter 3. GENT: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc111525106. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108480&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#AdelidaGuinesM1HuguesLilleM2RobertWavrin
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Chapter 4. WAVRIN http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc111525106
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Guines, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Guines.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Adélide/Adele (?) de Guines1,2,3

F, #23650
FatherArnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes1,4,5,2,3 b. a 1101, d. 1169
MotherMahaut/Maud de Saint-Omer6,7,5,2,3
ReferenceGKJ26
Last Edited8 Dec 2020
     Adélide/Adele (?) de Guines married Robert de Wavrin, son of Roger III de Wavrin Senechal of Flanders and Mathilda (?) de Lens;
Her 2nd husband.8,3 Adélide/Adele (?) de Guines married Hugo/Hugues II de Fresnes Châtelain de Lille, son of Roger III de Lille Châtelain de Lille;
Her 1st husband.1,9,10,2,3
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 64/.2 GKJ-26.11

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELAIDE de Guines . The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names (in order) "Margaretam…Beatricem…Adelidem …Eufemiam et Luthgaudam…Mathildem…Ghislam…Agnetem" as the eight daughters of "Gandavense Arnoldo" & his wife, specifying that Marguerite married firstly "Insulensi castellano Hugoni" (specifying that he was "prius Sancti Piati Seclinensis preoposito") and secondly "Roberto de Waveriaco, fratri Hellini Flandrie dapiferi sive senescali", specifying that her dowry was "apud Senghiniacum"[969]. Duchesne indicated that “Hugoni” in the Historia represents an error for “Reinaldi” and that Adelaide therefore married Renaud Châtelain de Lille as his third wife[970]. He highlighted “lettres à S. Wast d’Arras” in which Adelaide’s second husband declared holding “icelle terre de Senghin...à cause de sa femme” (this land having previously formed part of the dowry of Renaud’s [second] wife Mathilde de Wavrin) and that Adelaide would have to return it to “Jean chastelain de Lille fils du chastellain Hugues et de Hermentrude, qui en estoit le proprietaire”. Leuridan supposes that Mathilde’s property would have returned to the Wavrin family after she died without surviving children[971], although if that is correct it is not clear how Renaud could then have given it to Adelaide de Guines if she had been his third wife. An alternative property agreement between the Wavrin and Lille families seems likely, under which part of Mathilde’s dowry was transferred to the Lille family (maybe as part of an exchange) and that Châtelain Hugues granted it to Adelaide as dowry on their marriage. Whatever the property arrangements, the Historia mentions Hugues’s prior ecclesiastical appointment which does seem to identify him as Adelaide’s husband: there is no record of Châtelain Renaud holding any ecclesiastical position and, even if he had, he would have resigned it much earlier (in view of his two marriages) so mentioning it in the Historia would not have been relevant.
     "m firstly HUGUES Châtelain de Lille, son of --- (-[1169/74]).
     "m secondly ROBERT de Wavrin, son of ROGER [III] de Wavrin & his first wife Mathilde [de Lens] (-1209 or after)."
Med Lands cites:
[969] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 48, MGH SS XXIV, p. 585.
[970] Duchesne (1631), Guines, pp. 447-8.
[971] Leuridan ‘La châtellenie de Lille’ (1901), p. 73.
[972] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 48, MGH SS XXIV, p. 585.3


; Per Genealogy.EU (Guines): “B8. Adelide de Guines; 1m: Hugo, chatelain de Lille; 2m: Robert de Wavrin”.6

; Per Racines et Histoire (Guines): “Adélide de Guines
     ép. 1) Hugues II + ~1169 ou Renaud II ? Châtelain de Lille + ~1163
     ép. 2) Robert de Wavrin + ~1209 (fils de Roger III de Wavrin et de Mathilde de Lens)”.12

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES (-[1169/1174]). Provost of Saint-Piat de Seclin, according to the Historia Comitum Ghisnensium when recording his marriage (see below). He presumably resigned his ecclesiastical appointments when his brother Renaud died. Thierry Count of Flanders confirmed that “Renaldus...castellanus moriens” had donated wood to Phalempin abbey, with the consent of “fratribus suis Hugone et Rogero et sorore” by charter dated [1162][513]. Châtelain de Lille. Thierry Count of Flanders confirmed rights of Marciennes by charter dated 16 Feb 1166, signed by “...Hugonis cast. Insulæ...”[514]. “...Hugonis castellani Insulæ...” witnessed the charter dated 1169 under which Philippe Count of Flanders settled a dispute between Marchiennes abbey and “Amalrico de Landast”[515].
     "m as her first husband, ADELAIDE de Guines, daughter of ARNOLD van Gent Comte de Guines & his wife Mathilde de Saint-Omer. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names (in order) "Margaretam…Beatricem…Adelidem …Eufemiam et Luthgaudam…Mathildem…Ghislam…Agnetem" as the eight daughters of "Gandavense Arnoldo" & his wife, specifying that Marguerite married firstly "Insulensi castellano Hugoni" (specifying that he was "prius Sancti Piati Seclinensis preoposito") and secondly "Roberto de Waveriaco, fratri Hellini Flandrie dapiferi sive senescali", and that her dowry was "apud Senghiniacum"[516]. Duchesne indicated that “Hugoni” in the Historia represents an error for “Reinaldi” and that Adelaide therefore married Renaud Châtelain de Lille as his third wife[517]. He highlighted “lettres à S. Wast d’Arras” in which Adelaide’s second husband declared holding “icelle terre de Senghin...à cause de sa femme” (this land having previously formed part of the dowry of Renaud’s [second] wife Mathilde de Wavrin) and that Adelaide would have to return it to “Jean chastelain de Lille fils du chastellain Hugues et de Hermentrude, qui en estoit le proprietaire”. Leuridan supposes that Mathilde’s property would have returned to the Wavrin family after she died without surviving children[518], although if that is correct it is not clear how Renaud could then have given it to Adelaide de Guines if she had been his third wife. An alternative property agreement between the Wavrin and Lille families seems likely, under which part of Mathilde’s dowry was transferred to the Lille family (maybe as part of an exchange) and that Châtelain Hugues granted it to Adelaide as dowry on their marriage. Whatever the property arrangements, the Historia mentions Hugues’s prior ecclesiastical appointment which does seem to identify him as Adelaide’s husband: there is no record of Châtelain Renaud holding any ecclesiastical position and, even if he had, he would have resigned it much earlier (in view of his two marriages) so mentioning it in the Historia would not have been relevant. She married secondly Robert de Wavrin. The question of Hugues’s supposed marriage to “Hermentrude” is discussed below in the context of identifying the parentage of Jean Châtelain de Lille."
Med Lands cites:
[513] Vander Haer (1611), pp. 192-3.
[514] Le Carpentier (1664), Part IV, Preuves, p. 20.
[515] Duchesne (1639) Béthune, Preuves, p. 34.
[516] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 48, MGH SS XXIV, p. 585.
[517] Duchesne (1631), Guines, pp. 447-8.
[518] Leuridan ‘La châtellenie de Lille’ (1901), p. 73.10


; Per Racines et Histoire (Fresnes-sur-Escaut): “Hugues II (Hugo) de Fresnes fl 1143/1166/1169 Châtelain de Lille (succède à ses frères)
     ép. Adélaïde de Guines (fille d’Arnould de Gand ; ép. 2) Robert Onkel de Wavrin) ép. Ermentrude”.13

Family 1

Robert de Wavrin d. 1198
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adélide de Guines: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108479&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#AdelidaGuinesM1HuguesLilleM2RobertWavrin. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174413&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#ArnoulIGentGuinesdied1169B
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Saint-Omer: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174414&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108480&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugo: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108478&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfranord.htm#HuguesLilledied1169
  11. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31862
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Guines, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Guines.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Châtelains de Lille & seigneurs de Fresnes-sur-Escaut, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Lille-Fresnes-sur-Escaut.pdf
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugo: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108478&tree=LEO

Lachlan Cattanach Maclean 1st Lachlan Maclean of Duart1,2

M, #23651, d. 1523
Last Edited10 Jul 2006
     Lachlan Cattanach Maclean 1st Lachlan Maclean of Duart married Lady Catherine/Elizabeth Campbell, daughter of Archibald Campbell 2nd Earl of Argyll and Elizabeth Stewart; her 1st husband; his 2nd wife.1,3,2
Lachlan Cattanach Maclean 1st Lachlan Maclean of Duart died in 1523 at Edinburgh, Scotland; murdered.2
     ; van de Pas cites: Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference Page 1642.2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Argyll Family Page (see MACLEAN, Bt, Of Dowart). Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lachlan Cattanach Maclean of Duart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00454901&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Catherine (Elizabeth?) Campbell: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00269073&tree=LEO

Mahaut/Maud de Saint-Omer1,2

F, #23652
FatherGuillaume II de Saint-Omer Châtelain de Saint-Omer3,1,4,5,6,7 b. c 1070, d. a 1143
MotherMélisende de Picquigny1,3,4,8,6,9 b. c 1070
ReferenceEDV27 GKJ27
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Mahaut/Maud de Saint-Omer married Arnoul/Arnulf I (?) Comte de Guînes, son of Wenemar I (?) Burggraaf van Gent and Gisele de Guines, between 1136 and 1137.1,10,11,12,3,4
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Guines): "A1. [2m.] Cte Arnould I, Cte de Guines, +1169; m. Mahaut, dau.of Guillaume de Saint-Omer by Millisende de Picquigny."13

; Per Med Lands:
     "ARNOUL van Gent, son of WENEMAR [I] Burggraaf van Gent & his second wife Gisela de Guines (-Newton, England 1169, bur Saint-Inglevert). He succeeded as Comte de Guines in 1146 after his great-niece Beatrix de Bourbourg was divorced by her first husband Aubrey [III] de Vere Earl of Oxford, who had been Comte de Guines de iure uxoris. "Arnoudus comes Ghisnensis" granted tax exemptions in his county to Gant Saint-Pierre by charter dated to [1127/69], signed by "Walterus comes, Alelmus de Ghisnes…Arnulfus vicecomes…"[1209]. “Arnulfus…Gisnensium comes et Mathildis […de S. Audomaro] comitissa uxor mea et Balduinus filius meus” donated property to "Abbati Gunfrido de Claromaresch" by charter dated to [1145][1210]. The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium records the death of "comes Arnoldus" in 1169[1211]. The Chronica Andrensis records the death of "Arnoldus comes Gisnensis" while in England "in propria mansione sua apud Nevetona" and his burial "in Sontingeveld"[1212].
     "m (before [1145]) MATHILDE de Saint-Omer, daughter of GUILLAUME [II] Châtelain de Saint-Omer & his wife Mélisende de Picquigny (-after [1145]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names "Mathildis" as daughter of "Willelmus Andomarensis castellanus" & his wife, specifying that Mathilde married "Arnoldus Gandavensis" and brought Tournai as her dowry[1213]. “Arnulfus…Gisnensium comes et Mathildis […de S. Audomaro] comitissa uxor mea et Balduinus filius meus” donated property to "Abbati Gunfrido de Claromaresch" by charter dated to [1145][1214]."
Med Lands cites:
[1209] Gand Saint-Pierre 205, p. 127.
[1210] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, LXV, p. 391.
[1211] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 73, MGH SS XXIV, p. 596.
[1212] Willelmi Chronica Andrensis 58, MGH SS XXIV, p. 708, undated but the date "1169" is added in the margin by the editor.
[1213] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 46 and 47, MGH SS XXIV, p. 584.
[1214] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, LXV, p. 391.11


; Per Racines et Histoire (Guînes): "Arnould II de Gand = Arnould 1er de Guines + 1169 (Ninventone=Newenton=Newton, GB) comte de Guines (1146, après sa petite-nièce Béatrix de Bourbourg et son ex-mari Aubrey III de Vere, earl of Oxford et comte de Guines) et de Gand
     ép.avant 1145 (~1135/37) Mahaut (Mathilde) de Saint-Omer, douairière de Tournai (fille de Guillaume II, Châtelain de Saint-Omer et de Mélisende de Picquigny ; de lignée carolingienne)"


Per Racines et Histoire (Gand): "2) Arnoul II de Gand (Arnould 1er de Guines) + ~1169 (Ninventone=Newenton=Newton, GB) succède à Guines à son oncle maternel Manassès (reçoit les serments & hommages de tous les nobles de son comté dès son accession au pouvoir ; s’intitule : «Arnoul, par la grâce de Dieu, comte de Guines» ; bienfaiteur ~1150/51 des églises de Thérouanne, Saint-Martin et Clairmarais)
     ép. Mahaut (Mathilde) de Saint-Omer ° ~1115 (fille de Guillaume et de Mélissende de Picquigny)"


Per Racines et Histoire (Saint-Omer): "Mathilde (Mahaut) de Saint-Omer ° ~1115 + après 1145 dame de Tournehem, douairière de Tournai (donation à Clairmarais par charte en 1145)
     ép. ~1136/37 Arnoul(d) 1er, comte de Guines (alias Arnould II de Gand) + ~1169 (Ninventone = Newenton = Newton, GB) comte de Gand (fils de Wenemar 1er, burggraf van Gent et de Gisela/Ghisle de Guines.)14,15,12" EDV-27 GKJ-27.16 Mahaut/Maud de Saint-Omer was also known as Mathilde de Saint-Omer.4,2

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 81.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE de Saint-Omer (-after [1145]). The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names (in order) "Mathildis…Eufemia…Gisla de Monasteriolo…Luchgardis et Beatrix" as the five daughters of "Willelmus Andomarensis castellanus" & his wife, specifying that Mathilde married "Arnoldus Gandavensis" and brought Tournai as her dowry[991]. “Arnulfus…Gisnensium comes et Mathildis […de S. Audomaro] comitissa uxor mea et Balduinus filius meus” donated property to "Abbati Gunfrido de Claromaresch" by charter dated to [1145][992].
     "m (before [1145]) ARNOUL [I] Comte de Guines, son of WENEMAR [I] Burggraaf van Gent & his second wife Gisela de Guines (-1169)."
Med Lands cites:
[991] Historia Comitum Ghisnensium 46 and 47, MGH SS XXIV, p. 584.
[992] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, LXV, p. 391.4

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Saint-Omer: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174414&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Saint-Omer: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174414&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#MahautStOmerMArnouldIGuines. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174415&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#GuillaumeIISaintOmerdied1143B
  7. [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, Guillaume de Saint Omer, II: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I381421&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Millesende de Picquigny: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174416&tree=LEO
  9. [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Mélissende de Picquigny: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I381422&tree=1
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174413&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#ArnoulIGentGuinesdied1169B
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Châtelains de Saint-Omer & Morbecque, Fauquembergues, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Saint-Omer.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Guines page (Guines family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/guines.html
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Guines, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Guines.pdf
  15. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Châtelains de Gand (Burggrafen van Gent) seigneur d’Aalst (Alost) & Famille Vilain de Gand, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Gand.pdf
  16. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31868
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adélide de Guines: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108479&tree=LEO
  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#AdelidaGuinesM1HuguesLilleM2RobertWavrin
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudoin II de Guines: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174406&tree=LEO

Mahaut/Elisabeth d'Enghien1,2

F, #23653, b. circa 1203, d. circa 1250
FatherEngelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien3,4,5,6 b. 1160, d. bt 22 Feb 1244 - 1246
MotherIda/Adelaide d'Avesnes5,7,6,3 b. 1180, d. 23 Sep 1216
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited10 Aug 2020
     Mahaut/Elisabeth d'Enghien was born circa 1203.2 She married Évrard IV Radulf de Mortagne Châtelain de Tournai, seigneur de Mortagne, son of Baudouin de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne and Hildiarde de Wavrin, in 1215;
His 1st wife.8,9,10,11,3,6
Mahaut/Elisabeth d'Enghien died circa 1250.2
     EDV-24 GKJ-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:78.3 Mahaut/Elisabeth d'Enghien was also known as Isabelle d'Enghien.5,9

; Per Med Lands:
     "ISABELLE d’Enghien (-1218 or after). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “Evrardum Raduel”, son of "Balduinus de Mortania" and his wife, married "filiam domini Engelberti de Enghien ex Adelina filia domini Jacobi de Avennes"[1376].
     "m as his first wife, EVERARD [IV] Radoul Châtelain de Tournai Seigneur de Mortagne, son of BAUDOUIN Châtelain de Tournai & his wife Hildrade de Wavrin (-[8 Jan/Jul] 1226)."
Med Lands cites:
[1376] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 553.9


; Per Racines et Histoire (Enghien): “1) Mahaut ou Ida (Elisabeth) d’Enghien ° ~1203 + ~1250
     ép. 1215 Evrard IV Radulf de Tournai ° 1195 + 1226 (ou 1250 ?) Burggrave de Tournai, Pair de Flandres, seigneur de Mortagne (fils de Baudouin et d’Hildiarde de Wavrin)”.6

; Per Genealogy.EU (Doornick 2): “B1. Everard IV Radulf, Burggrave of Doornick, +1226; 1m: Elizabeth d'Enghien; 2m: Elizabeth de Nevele, Burggravine of Kortrijk (+ca 1246)”.12

; Per Racines et Histoire (Tournai): “Evrard IV Radulf ° ~1200 + ~1250 Burggrave de Tournai, seigneur de Mortagne
     ép. 1) Elisabeth d’Enghien (alias Mathilda van Edingen)
     ép. 2) Elisabeth de Nevele, burggravine de Kortrijk (Courtrai) ° ~1198 + ~1250 (1246 ?) ”.13

; Per Med Lands:
     "EVERARD [IV] Radoul ([1190/1200?]-[8 Jan/Jul] 1226). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names “Evrardum Raduel” as the son of "Balduinus de Mortania" and his wife "filiam senescalli Flandriæ...Hediardem"[1914]. “Balduinus dominus de Mauritanie et sponsa mea Heldiardis cum filio nostro Radul” donated water adjacent to their church to the abbey du Château by charter dated to [1192][1915]. “Bald. Tornacensis castellanus et Mauritanie dominus” approved donations to Saint-Martin du Château and Saint-Nicolas de Mortagne, made by “Walterus Mausclers miles de Forest”, with the consent of “uxoris nostre Heldiardis et...filii nostri primogeniti Evrardi et aliorum tam filiorum quam filiarum nostrorum”, by charter dated 21 Feb 1208[1916]. Châtelain de Tournai. Seigneur de Mortagne. “Evrardus Raddo dominus de Mauritania et castellanus Tornacensis” approved the donation to Tournai Saint-Martin made by “Matheus de Hera” by charter dated 1213[1917]. “Everardus Rodulfus de Mortania castellanus Tornacensis et frater meus Hellinus” confirmed donations to the Templars made by “avus noster bone memorie dominus Everardus Radolfus...pater etiam noster dominus Balduinus” by charter dated Mar 1215[1918]. “Everardo Radoul domino Mauritanensi castellano Tornacensi” corrected damage done to the church of Tournai by charter dated 1222[1919]. Milon Bishop of Beauvais notified an agreement concerning various rights between the abbeys of Saint-Amand, Tournai Saint-Martin and Tournai Saint-Nicolas des Prés and “Everardum Radol castellanum Tornacensem” by charter dated 8 Jan 1226[1920]. He is named as deceased in his brother Hellin’s Aug 1226 charter quoted below.
     "m firstly ISABELLE d’Enghien, daughter of ENGELBERT [III] Seigneur d’Enghien & his wife Ida [Adelaide] d’Avesnes (-1218). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “Evrardum Raduel”, son of "Balduinus de Mortania" and his wife, married "filiam domini Engelberti de Enghien ex Adelina filia domini Jacobi de Avennes"[1921].
     "m secondly (after 1218) ELISABETH [Isabelle] de Courtrai Vrouw van Nevele, daughter of ROGER [II] Châtelain de Courtrai & his wife Beatrix van Nevele (-before Mar 1246). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that “Evrardum Raduel”, son of "Balduinus de Mortania" and his wife, married secondly "hæredem...terræ de Nevella juxta Gandavum"[1922]. A charter dated Mar 1246 records an arbitration, naming “dame Ysabiaus ki mere fu mon segneur Mikiel de Niviele mon segneur Evrart Radour et mon segneur Rogier devant dit drois oirs”[1923]."
Med Lands cites:
[1914] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 553.
[1915] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 20, p. 24.
[1916] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 37, p. 42.
[1917] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 41, p. 47.
[1918] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 42, p. 48.
[1919] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Donationes Belgicæ, Liber I, XCVI, p. 415.
[1920] D’Herbomez (1895), Tome II, Preuves, 57, p. 65.
[1921] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 553.
[1922] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 553.
[1923] Tailliar, E. F. J. (1849) Recueil d’actes des XII et XIII siécles en langue romane wallonne du nord de la France (Douai), 75, p. 135.11
She was living in 1218.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut/Elisabeth d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115606&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut/Elisabeth d'Enghien: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115606&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIVEnghiendied1242. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IsabelleEnghienMEverardTournai
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard IV Radulf: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174588&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EverardIVRadulfTournaidied1226
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Tournai & de Mortagne Famille Van Peteg(h)em, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/van-Peteghem-Tournai.pdf
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174591&tree=LEO

Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien1,2,3,4

M, #23654, b. 1160, d. between 22 February 1244 and 1246
FatherEnglebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien,5,6,7,8 b. c 1150, d. bt 1193 - 1205
MotherElizabeth van de Aa9,7 d. a 1180
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited5 Nov 2020
     Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien was born in 1160; Racines et Histoire (Enghien) says b. ca 1160; Racines et Histoire (Avesnes) says b. ca 1185; Wikipédia (Fr.) (both entries cited) says b. ca 1160.2,3,10,4 He married Adelheid van Oudenaarde, daughter of Arnold III (?) van Oudenaarde and Mathilda (?), before 1193;
His 1st (?) wife. (per Med Lands he m. his next wife bef 2 Dec 1193).11,8,6,7 Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien married Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes, daughter of Jacques (?) seigneur d'Avesnes, Leuse, Conde and Guise and Adelvie/Ameline (?) de Guise, before 2 December 1193;
His 2nd (?) wife.8,12,6,7,13,14
Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien died between 22 February 1244 and 1246; Racines et Histoire (Enghien) says d. 23/02/1244; Med Lands says d. 22 Feb 1244/46 Racines et Histoire (Avesnes) says d. ca 1242.12,15,7
     He and Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes were Per Med Lands:
     "IDA [Adelaide] d'Avesnes (-22 Sep, after 1215). There is some confusion about the name of the wife of Engelbert [III] d’Enghien. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "tertia…filia…Adeluya" married "domino de Enghien Engelberto" by whom she had one son and two daughters and naming their descendants[829]. She is named Ida in the following documents. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193[830]. "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged “decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines” to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of “dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonis de Gavre junioris”, by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.)[831]. "Engelbertus dominus d’Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of “uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo”, by charter dated 1215[832]. Miræus records the death “X Kal Oct” of "Ida domina de Angien", her burial at Bellingen, and her donation of “decimam de Broiges...terræ arabulis apud Herines”[833]. Butkens (without citing any primary sources) names "Ide d’Avesnes" as the first wife of Engelbert and "Adelive d’Oudenaerden" (sister of “Gisbert Sire d’Audenarde”, by whom he says Engelbert was childless) as his second[834]. As Gislebert Heer van Oudenaarde was recorded as deceased in 1181 (see the document FLANDERS NOBILITY), Butkens’s suggestion appears unlikely to be correct. No source has been found which indicates any connection between the Enghien and Oudenaarde families, apart from the May 1246 quoted below under Engelbert’s son Sohier.
     "m ENGELBERT [III] Seigneur d'Enghien, son of ENGELBERT [II] d’Enghien & his wife Elisabeth --- (-22 Feb [1244/1246])."
Med Lands cites:
[829] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, pp. 560-1.
[830] Van De Perre, D. ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’, Het Land van Alst, Tome 69 (2017), Bijlage 2, p. 196, consulted at (3 Apr 2020).
[831] Duvivier (1903), 196, p. 357.
[832] Butkens (1724), Vol. II, p. 114.
[833] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CLVII, p. 742.
[834] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, p. 608, and Vol. II, p. 119.14


; Per Genealogy.EU (Avesnes): “Ida d’Avesnes ° ~1180 + 23/09/1266
     ép. Englebert IV d’Enghien ° ~1185 + ~1242 ”.12

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.8

; This is the same person as
”Engelbert IV d'Enghien” at Wikipédia (FR).10 EDV-24 GKJ-23.

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "Engelbert IV d'Enghien (° ca. 1160-1250), chevalier, seigneur d'Enghien”.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "ENGELBERT [III] d'Enghien, son of ENGELBERT [II] Seigneur d’Enghien & his wife Elisabeth --- (-22 Feb [1244/46]). His parentage is confirmed by the following charter: “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem, Walterus et Gerardus de Adengem, Ingelbertus filius eius” witnessed a charter dated 1189[1273]. [Baudouin IX Count of Flanders granted himself “advocatiam” of Ninove and confirmed many donations, including the donation of “quatuor bonaria terræ” made by “Ingelbertus de Adenghem” with the consent of “filii sui Ingelberti”, by charter dated 1201[1274]. It is assumed that this donation was made many years earlier by Engelbert [II] and his son.] “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, while “eadem Elisabeth“ also promised to obtain the consent of “Wilhelmo genero suo et uxore suo”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193, the same document recording that eight days later “præfatus dominus Ingelbertus” died “in Ninive” where he was buried and where “uxore et filiis eius Ingelberto et Gisla et uxore Ingelberti” placed their donation on the altar[1275]. Seigneur d’Enghien. The Chronicon Hanoniense records that Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut besieged "Anghien castrum" in 1191, but confirmed possession to “Engleberto de Anghien”[1276]. “Engerbertus de Anghien...” witnessed the charter dated 1196 under which Baudouin Count of Flanders confirmed the restoration of “Gislardus” at “Herinis villa” subject to rights of Mons Sainte-Waudru[1277]. “…Aegidii de Trasnis, Ingelberti de Adenghem…” witnessed the charter dated 1197 under which Baudouin IX Count of Flanders confirmed a donation to Ninove[1278]. “Ingelbertus de Aienghem” donated property “in loco...Keth in parrochia de Marcha juxta Aienghem” to Grimbergen, and confirmed “nonam partem decime de Herinis” donated by “avia mea domina Beltris de Aienghem”, for the anniversary of “patris nostri Ingelberti”, by charter dated 13 Jun 1200[1279]. “...Engelbertus de Aengien...” subscribed the charter dated 28 Jul 1200 which declared the laws of the county of Hainaut[1280]. “...Egidius de Trasiniis, Sigerus frater eius, Engelbertus de Aengien, Egidius de Brena, Alexander de Stenkirca...” witnessed the charter dated 1201 under which Baudouin IX Count of Flanders confirmed “decimis apud Dergnau et apud Gage” to Cambron[1281]. "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged “decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines” to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of “dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonis de Gavre junioris”, by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.)[1282]. “Englebertus dominus de Angien” confirmed the donation made to Cambron by “Wichardus de Escausines homo meus” by charter dated to [1207], subscribed by “Petri de Saintes, Galteri de Longerue, Henrici avunculi mei, Balduini de Ham, Nicholai de Ronkieres, hominum meorum...”[1283]. “Englebertus dominus de Engien” confirmed the donation made to Cambron by “Hawidis de Runchieres et Henricus filius eius” by charter dated 1212[1284]. “Englebertus de Aengien” donated “partem decime...apud Papengien” to Cambron by charter dated 4 Aug 1213, witnessed by “Sigerus filius meus...”[1285]. “Engelbertus dominus de Aienghien” confirmed the donation of "vi bonaria quæ jacent in parochia Anderlechtensi" to Voorst abbey made by "Elisabeth mater mea piæ memoriæ" by charter dated 1214, witnessed by “Castellani de Bruxella, Leonii domini de Aa...”[1286]. "Engelbertus dominus d’Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of “uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo”, by charter dated 1215[1287]. “Ingelbertus dominus de Aengien” donated “terram...et nemus de Bouttegnies in parochia de Roncheres” to Cambron, with the consent of “filiorum meorum Sygeri et Jacobi”, by charter dated May 1218[1288]. “Engelbert seigneur d’Aengin” donated “la dîme de Parvo Aengin” to Saint-Denis-en-Broqueroie, reserving usufruct to “son fils Hugues clerc chanoine de Tournai”, by charter dated May 1219, sealed by “Sohier son fils aîné”[1289]. “Engelbertus dominus de Angien” confirmed the donation of property “in territorio de Lembeke” made by “pie memorie Jacobus filius meus” to Cambrai, with the consent of “fratris sui alterius filii mei Sygeri”, by charter dated 1223[1290]. The testament of “Ingelbertus D[ominus] de Aienghien”, dated Mar 1224 (O.S.) in the presence of “Sigero filio meo primogenito”, ordered the payment of debts of his debts “necnon uxoris mee et filii mei Jacobi”, chose burial in “ecclesie de Bellinghen”, sealed by “sigillum Sigeri filii mei et sigillum Ostonis Patrui cum meo”[1291]. “Engelbertus dominus de Enghien” confirmed the donation made to "ecclesiæ de Cantiprato" made by "dominus Joannes de Monte miles", with the consent of "Sigerus primogenitus domini de Enghien", by charter dated Jun 1234[1292]. “Englebertus dominus de Aenghien” confirmed the donation of revenue from land “in parrochia de Brege” to Mons Sainte-Waudru, with the consent of “Sygeri militis filii et heredis mei”, by charter dated Nov 1242[1293]. "Ingelbertus dominus de Aynghem" confirmed the donation of land "in loco...Helbergh" to Ninove made by "dominus Cauderon miles de Boscho" by charter dated Sep 1243[1294]. Miræus records the death “VIII Kal Mar” of "Engelbertus dominus de Angien", his donation, and his request “ad extremum” for burial at Bellingen, presumably extracted from the necrology of Bellingen although he does not specify this[1295]. He presumably died before May 1246, the date of the charter of his son Sohier quoted below.
     "m (before [2] Dec 1193) IDA [Adelaide] d’Avesnes, daughter of JACQUES Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Adeline de Guise (-22 Sep, after 1215). There is some confusion about the name of Engelbert [III]’s wife. The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "tertia…filia…Adeluya" married "domino de Enghien Engelberto"[1296]. She is named Ida in the following documents. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193[1297]. "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged “decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines” to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of “dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonis de Gavre junioris”, by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.)[1298]. "Engelbertus dominus d’Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of “uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo”, by charter dated 1215[1299]. Miræus records the death “X Kal Oct” of "Ida domina de Angien", her burial at Bellingen, and her donation of “decimam de Broiges...terræ arabulis apud Herines”[1300]. Butkens (without citing any primary sources) names "Ide d’Avesnes" as the first wife of Engelbert and "Adelive d’Oudenaerden" (sister of “Gisbert Sire d’Audenarde”, by whom he says Engelbert was childless) as his second[1301]. As Gislebert Heer van Oudenaarde was recorded as deceased in 1181 (see the document FLANDERS NOBILITY), Butkens’s suggestion appears unlikely to be correct. No source has been found which indicates any connection between the Enghien and Oudenaarde families, apart from the May 1246 quoted below under Engelbert’s son Sohier."
Med Lands cites:
[1273] Roobaert & Vanhollebeke ‘Le Liber Chronotaxis’ (2003), Tableau, p. 23, citing “acte 6, p. 143” [AE Gand, Abbaye Ninove, 70, fo. 143].
[1274] Præmonstratensis Annales (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccxxxviii.
[1275] Van De Perre ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’ (2017), Bijlage 2, p. 196.
[1276] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 578.
[1277] Mons Sainte-Waudru, Tome I, XXXIII, p. 59.
[1278] Ninove, LXXV, p. 810.
[1279] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome XI, Documents extraits du cartulaire de Grimberghen, VII, p. 19.
[1280] Devillers (1869), Tome IV, p. 8.
[1281] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Lumbisa, XXI, p. 750.
[1282] Duvivier (1903), 196, p. 357.
[1283] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Hauruth, V, p. 559.
[1284] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Hauruth, IX, p. 562.
[1285] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Lumbisa, XLVII, p. 770.
[1286] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Notitia Ecclesiarum Belgii, CLXXXII, p. 757.
[1287] Butkens (1724), Vol. II, p. 114.
[1288] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Hauruth, XXII, p. 573.
[1289] Devillers (1869), Tome V, XLI, p. 133.
[1290] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Hauruth, XXVI, p. 576.
[1291] Vanhollebeke ‘Le testament d’Engelbert d’Enghien’ (2004), p. 10.
[1292] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Notitia Ecclesiarum Belgii, CLXXIII, p. 752.
[1293] Mons Sainte-Waudru, Tome I, CXXII, p. 193.
[1294] Smet, J. J. (1841) Recueil des chroniques de Flandre (Brussels), Tome II, Appendices, Codex diplomaticus abbatiæ Ninoviensis ("Ninove (Smet, Tome II)"), CXCI, p. 887.
[1295] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CLVII, p. 742.
[1296] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, pp. 560-1.
[1297] Van De Perre ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’ (2017), Bijlage 2, p. 196.
[1298] Duvivier (1903), 196, p. 357.
[1299] Butkens (1724), Vol. II, p. 114.
[1300] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CLVII, p. 742.
[1301] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, p. 608, and Vol. II, p. 119.7


; Per Racines et Histoire (Enghien): “Englebert III d’Enghien ° ~1160 + 23/02/1244 (teste 03/1225) chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien (reconstruit la forteresse d’Enghien début XIII° ; nombreux dons à l’Abbaye de Cambron ; allié du duc de Louvain, il doit finalement se soumettre au comte de Hainaut ; témoin d’un acte du comte de Hainaut 03-04/1189)
     ép. 1) ~1200 Ide (Adelaïde, Adelheide) d’Audenaerde ° ~1185 (fille d’Arnould III ou de Gilbert II et de Richilde van Peteghem ; demi-soeur d’Alix de Zotteghem, épouse de Sohier d’Enghien)
     ép. 2) Ide d’Avesnes ° ~1180 + 23/09 ou 19/10/1217 (fille de Jacques et d’Améline de Guise (ou d’Henri, Châtelain de Mons-en-Havré ?)”.6
; Per Med Lands:
     "The town of Enghien (Edinghem in Flemish) is located about 25 kilometres south-west of Brussels, and about 40 kilometres north-west of Charleroi, in the present-day Belgian province of Hainaut. The medieval seigneurial family, fiefs of the Comtes de Hainaut, emerged from obscure beginnings in the late 11th/early 12th century, the surviving records only showing use of the seigneurial title from the late 13th century. Matthieu’s late 19th century history of Enghien summarises the local topography and the ancient fortifications, as well as some early recorded mentions of the place[1157], but his descriptions of the early generations of the family are unreliable. Delporte dismisses the existence of Anselme d’Enghien, supposed participant in the First Crusade, as fantasy based on fabricated sources[1158]."
Med Lands cites:
[1157] Matthieu, E. (1876) Histoire de la ville d’Enghien (Mons), pp. 12-37.
[1158] Delporte, L. ‘Anselme d’Enghien (fin Xie s.) ; un personnage légendaire!’, Bulletin trimestriel du Cercle Archéologique d’Enghien, no. 24 (Sep 1999), pp. 470-5.



NB: There is uncertainty concerning the early generations of the d'Enghien family. I have found the following theories so far:
I. Wikipédia (Fr.) shows the first five generations as :
I.1. Ansiaul qui prit part à la première croisade en 109632. Il était peut-être le père de33 :
     I.2. Englebert Ier, sire d'Enghien33,34 (° 1065), « vir nobilis », compagnon de Baudouin IV de Hainaut, l'édificateur35. Il scella une charte à propos de l'église de Soignies en 109236. Il eut pour fils :
          I.3. Englebert II d'Enghien (° 1090)
               I.4. Hugues Ier d'Enghien (1120-1190), seigneur d'Enghien, Lembeek, Tubize, (Rameru), La Folie. Il acheva le château d'Enghien, élevé par son père. Il fit hommage de sa seigneurie à Godefroid duc de Brabant en 1154 ce qui indigna Baudouin comte de Hainaut qui l'assiégea dans son château afin qu'il rétracte son hommage4. Il épousa Jeanne de Luxembourg
                    I.5. Englebert III d'Enghien (1140-1205)

See attached descendancy and related citations and sources for the Enghien family from Wikipédia (Fr.)


II. Genealogics does not identify Ansiaulm, but shows the remaining generations to match Wikipédia (Fr.):
II.1. (unstated)
     II.2. Englebert I, Sire d'Enghien [1]
          II.3. Englebert II, Sire d'Enghien [1.1] Descendancy chart to this point
Béatrix
               II.4. Huwes I, Sire d'Enghien d. Aft 1190
                    II.5. Englebert III, Sire d'Enghien m. Elisabeth de Trazegnies



III. Med Lands does not identify Ansiaul, and shows other major differences from Wikipédia (Fr.) and Genealogics. Med Lands starts by identifying two separate individuals, without a stated relationship:
1. ENGELBERT [I] d’Enghien (-after 1092).
2. BONIFACE [I] d’Enghien (-after 1117)

Then Med Lands identifies "Two brothers. Their parents have not been identified, but the names of Hugues’s children Engelbert and Boniface suggest a close relationship with the two persons named above. The [1133] donation, cited below, of land in the same location by the Chin and Enghien families suggests some family connection, maybe through their mother."
The rest of the family are identified as:
III.1. (unstated)
     III.2. (Engelbert I? Boniface I?)
          III.3. HUGUES d’Enghien (-after 1166) m. Béatrix
               III.4. ENGELBERT [II] d’Enghien, son of HUGUES d’Enghien & his wife Beatrix, m. Elizabeth [van de Aa]
                    III.5. ENGELBERT [III] d’Enghien (-22 Feb [1244/46]), m. Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes

(Note: separately, Med Lands says, "The precise relationship between the Enghien and Trazegnies families has not been traced.".)


IV. Racines et Histoire (Maison d'Enghien) comes closer to Med Lands in its presentation. It mentions Ansiaul as the progenitor, but shows the link from him to Englebert I as very tenuous. (See attached image of the relevant pages from Racines and Histoire). Racines et HIstoire shows:
IV.1. Ansiaul
     IV.2. Englebert 1er ° ~1065/70

Racines et histoire then shows:
          IV.3. (as the possible son of Englebert I or or Othon seigneur d'Enghien or of Boniface I, son of Englebert I) HUGUES d’Enghien (d. after 1166) m. Jeanne de Luxembourg or Béatrice-
               IV.4. ENGELBERT [II] d’Enghien (d. 1193) m. Elizabeth de Trazegnies (bef 1170-1195)
                    IV.5. ENGELBERT [III] d’Enghien (b. ca 1160 d. 23/02/1244), m1. Ide (Adelaïde, Adelheide) d’Audenaerde, m2. Ide d’Avesnes



Conclusion:
     Genealogics and Wikipédia (Fr.) have inserted one generation (Englebert II - I.3 and II.3) between Englebert I (I.2 and II.2) and Huwes/Hugues (I.4 and II.4), when compared to Med Lands and Racines et Histoire. It then seems that the Englebert III (m. Elisabeth de Trazegnies) shown by Genealogics/Wikipédia (Fr.) is the same person as the Engelbert II shown by Med Lands (m. Elizabeth [van de Aa]) and Racines et Histoire (m. Elizabeth de Trazegnies).
     After considering the available information, I have left Ansiaul in the lineage, and have otherwise chosen to follow the descendancy as shown by Genealogics and Wikipédia (Fr.), though I have relied on Med Lands and Racines et Histoire for many of the other details. The extra Englebert, between Engleber I and Huwes/Hugues I, means there the various Engleberts are numbered differently in different sources. My numbering follows Genealogics and Wikipédia (Fr.) GA Vaut.4,16,17,18,19,15 Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien was living in 1205.8

Family 1

Adelheid van Oudenaarde b. c 1185

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3.
  4. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Enghien: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Enghien. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106867&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIVEnghiendied1242. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIIIEnghiendied1200
  10. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Engelbert IV d'Enghien: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_IV_d%27Enghien
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid van Oudenaarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106871&tree=LEO
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille & seigneurs d’ Avesnes, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#AdelaideAvesnesMEngelbertEnghien
  15. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030529
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030531
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/descendtext.php?personID=I00106862&tree=LEO&display=block&generations=5
  19. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 19 July 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilles d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115603&tree=LEO
  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115604&tree=LEO
  22. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115607&tree=LEO
  23. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115601&tree=LEO
  24. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Huwes d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115602&tree=LEO
  25. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut/Elisabeth d'Enghien: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115606&tree=LEO
  26. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelive d'Enghien: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164687&tree=LEO

Robert de Coucy sn de Pinon1

M, #23655, d. after 1234
FatherRaoul I de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy, Marle and le Fère1,2 b. 1134, d. Nov 1191
MotherAdelaide/Alice/Alix de Dreux1,2 b. 1156, d. a Feb 1217
Last Edited13 May 2020
     Robert de Coucy sn de Pinon married Elizabeth de Pierrepont, daughter of Robert de Pierrepont and Eustache de Roucy; his 1st wife.1 Robert de Coucy sn de Pinon married Godde (?); his 2nd wife, her 2nd husband.1
Robert de Coucy sn de Pinon died after 1234.1
     ; Robert de Coucy, sn de Pinon, +after 1234; 1m: Elizabeth, dau.of Robert de Pierrepont by Eustache de Roucy; 2m: before 1219 Godde, widow of N de Preaux; Robert left issue extinct in male line 1377.1

Family 1

Godde (?)

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Coucy 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/coucy1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#RaoulICoucydied1191. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Soher/Siger II d'Enghien Lord of Zottghem1,2

M, #23656, d. 1253
FatherEngelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien2,3 b. 1160, d. bt 22 Feb 1244 - 1246
MotherIda/Adelaide d'Avesnes4,5,6 b. 1180, d. 23 Sep 1216
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Soher/Siger II d'Enghien Lord of Zottghem married Aleidis van Zotteghem, daughter of Walter I van Zotteghem and Richilde (?) de Tournai, Dame de Feignies, in 1219.7,2
Soher/Siger II d'Enghien Lord of Zottghem died in 1253.4
     EDV-22 GKJ-22. Soher/Siger II d'Enghien Lord of Zottghem was also known as Sohier d'Enghien Seigneur de Zotteghem.8

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sohier II d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00093482&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32347
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aleidis van Zotteghem: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106854&tree=LEO
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 4.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ide d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040718&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wautier I 'the Great' d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106856&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerard I d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00107622&tree=LEO

Aleidis van Zotteghem1

F, #23657, b. circa 1195, d. 1219
FatherWalter I van Zotteghem1,2,3
MotherRichilde (?) de Tournai, Dame de Feignies1,4,3
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited15 Aug 2019
     Aleidis van Zotteghem married Gilbert III van Oudenaarde; her 1st husband.5,1 Aleidis van Zotteghem was born circa 1195.3
Aleidis van Zotteghem died in 1219.1 She married Soher/Siger II d'Enghien Lord of Zottghem, son of Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien and Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes, in 1219.1,3
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 79.1 EDV-22 GKJ-22. Aleidis van Zotteghem was also known as Alice de Sotteghen.6 Aleidis van Zotteghem was also known as Ide (Alix, Adélaïde) de Zotteghem (Sotteghem).3

Family 1

Gilbert III van Oudenaarde

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aleidis van Zotteghem: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106854&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter I van Zotteghem: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106852&tree=LEO
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilda de Tournai: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163344&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert III van Oudenaarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106855&tree=LEO
  6. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32348
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 4.
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ide d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040718&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wautier I 'the Great' d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106856&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerard I d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00107622&tree=LEO

Edith de Bourbourg1

F, #23658
ReferenceGAV29 EDV30
Last Edited13 Feb 2003
     Edith de Bourbourg married Ernicule "le Brun" (?), son of Ernicule (Arnoul II) (?) de Boulogne.1
     GAV-29 EDV-30.

Gerard de Bournonville1

M, #23659
FatherErnicule "le Brun" (?)1
MotherEdith de Bourbourg1
ReferenceGAV28 EDV29
Last Edited13 Feb 2003
     GAV-28 EDV-29.

Family

Child

Walram/Valeran I (?) Count of Lower Lorraine, Ct of Limburg and Arlon1,2

M, #23660, b. circa 972, d. after 1052
FatherConrad (?) Count d'Arlon2 b. c 985, d. 1032
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited12 Dec 2020
     Walram/Valeran I (?) Count of Lower Lorraine, Ct of Limburg and Arlon was born circa 972.2 He married Adelheid of Upper Lorraine (?), daughter of Thierry I (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine and Richildis (?) of Metz.2,1,3,4
Walram/Valeran I (?) Count of Lower Lorraine, Ct of Limburg and Arlon died after 1052.1,2
     GAV-27 EDV-27. Walram/Valeran I (?) Count of Lower Lorraine, Ct of Limburg and Arlon was also known as Walraven I (?) Count of Lower Lorraine, Ct of Limburg and Arlon.2 Walram/Valeran I (?) Count of Lower Lorraine, Ct of Limburg and Arlon was also known as Walram I (?) Count of Arlon.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "WALERAN [I] (-before 1032). Comte d'Arlon. Eberhard Archbishop of Trier refers to past donations by "comite Walrammo de Arlo et uxore ipsius Adelheide" in two charters dated 1052 and 1053, the second one referring to the confirmation of donations by "filiorum eorum Walrammi et Folconis" after the death of their parents[9], which appears to pull all the information together. The primary source which confirms that Waléran died before 1032 has not been identified: presumably it relates to a charter recording his widow’s donation to Trier (noted in the Gesta Treverorum quoted below) which has not been identified.
     "m ADELAIS de Lotharingia, daughter of THIERRY Duke of Upper Lotharingia [Wigeriche] & his wife Richilde --- ([995/1005]-after 1032). The Chronicon Sancti Huberti names "Adeladis comitissa Araeleonis" as daughter of "ducis Theoderici, soror Sigifridi [=error for Frederici] patris marchissæ Beatricis" (although the name of her husband is not specified), when recounting the story of her cubicularius having been bitten by a rabid dog[10]. The Gesta Treverorum records that "comitissa de castello…Aralunæ, mater...comitum Walramni et Folconis”, after her husband died (“marito suo defuncto”), donated her property to Trier, with the consent of her sons and daughters (“astipulantibus filiis et filiabus suis")[11]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names “Adela comitissa Arelung vel Areleonis...soror Sigifridi [error for Friderici] filia...ducis Theoderici” and her two sons “Fulconem et Galeranum” Eberhard Archbishop of Trier refers to past donations by "comite Walrammo de Arlo et uxore ipsius Adelheide" in two charters dated 1052 and 1053, the second one referring to the confirmation of donations by "filiorum eorum Walrammi et Folconis" after the death of their parents[12], which appears to pull all the information together. Her birth date is estimated very approximately in order to test the chronology of her descendants, bearing in mind her husband’s supposed date of death. "
Med Lands cites:
[9] Beyer, H. (ed.) (1860) Urkundenbuch zur Geschichte der, jetzt die Preussischen Regierungsbezirke Coblenz und Trier bildenden Mittelrheinischen Territorien (Coblenz), Vol. I, (“Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I”), 338 and 339, pp. 393-4, consulted at (12 Dec 2007).
[10] Chronicon Sancti Huberti Andaginensis 19 (27), MHG SS VIII, p. 578.
[11] Gesta Treverorum 16, 1122, MGH SS VIII, p. 189. The date "1032" is included in the footnote by the editor.
[12] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 338 and 339, pp. 393-4.4


; Per Racines et Histoire: "Walraven (Walram, Waleran) 1er de Basse-Lorraine ° ~972 ? + 1052 comte de Limbourg et d’Arlon
     ép. Adalheid de Haute-Lorraine."5

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “C2. Adela of Lorraine, +by 995; m. [?] Ct Walram I of Arlon (+after 1052); they had a son, Ct Walram II of Arlon, whose daughter married Ct Heinrich of Limburg, and carried most of the Limburg lands into that family; see http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg8.html#H1”.1

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): "Adela of Lorraine, +by 995; m. Ct Walram I of Arlon (+after 1052); they had a son, Ct Walram II of Arlon, whose daughter married Ct Heinrich of Limburg, and carried most of the Limburg lands into that family"
Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 8): "Ct Walraven I of Lower Lorraine, Ct of Limburg and Arlon, *ca 972, +1052; m.Adelheid of Upper Lorraine."1,2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg8.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#AdelaMWaleranArlondiedbefore1032. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#WaleranIArlondiedbefore1032
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Duché de Limbourg, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Limbourg.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walram|Waleran|Udo: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050319&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#WaleranIIdied1081A

Guy III le Bouteiller de Senlis Seigneur de chantille et d'Ermenonville1

M, #23661, d. 10 October 1188
Last Edited2 May 2020
     Guy III le Bouteiller de Senlis Seigneur de chantille et d'Ermenonville married Marguerite de Clermont, daughter of Renaud II/III (?) Cte de Clermont-en-Beauvais, and Clémence/Clementia de Bar Comtesse de Dammartin.1
Guy III le Bouteiller de Senlis Seigneur de chantille et d'Ermenonville died on 10 October 1188.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY [III] de Senlis, son of GUILLAUME [I] "le Loup" de Senlis & his wife Adeline --- (-10 Oct 1188). "Willelmus Lupus Silvanectensis" donated “usum totius Espioniæ et Beeley” to Charlieu Notre-Dame, with the consent of “uxore mea Adelvia filioque meo majore...Guidone...fratris mei Stephani Parisiensis episcopus”, by charter dated to [1137], witnessed by “Stephanus Parisiensis episcopus, Petrus episcopus Silvanectensis...”[374]. "Guillaume" donated "les deux tiers de la dîme de Drancy" to "son frère l’évêque Etienne de Paris", with the consent of "Adeline sa femme et de ses deux fils Guy et Hugues le Loup", by charter dated 1143[375]. Seigneur de Chantilly et d’Ermenonville. Bouteiller de France 1147. An undated charter refers to an agreement between "Guidonem Pincernam Regis" and the priory of Saint-Leu d’Esserent relating to the ownership of Chantilly[376]. "Henricus...Silvanect...episcopus" confirmed the donation of “decimam...in...nemoris de Braisilva” made to Saint-Nicolas d’Acy by “dominus Guido buticularius”, with the consent of “conjugis suæ Margaritæ et filiorum suorum Guidonis primogeniti et Willelmi junioris”, by charter dated 1171[377]. "Guido Ludovici…regis Francie buticularius" donated property to Chaalis, with the consent of "uxoris mee Margarite et filiorum meorum Guidonis, Willelmi, Rainaldi, Nivelonis et filie mee Adeline", by charter dated 1180[378]. “Gui Le Bouteiller” donated “la terre d’Orry et de La Chapelle” to Senlis Notre-Dame, for the soul of “son frère Pierre l’Ermite prévôt et archidiacre de Soissons”, with the consent of “sa femme Marguerite et de ses fils Gui et Guillaume”, by undated charter, dated to before 1186[379].
     "m MARGUERITE de Clermont, daughter of RENAUD Comte de Clermont and his second wife Clémence de Bar (-29 Oct [1187]). Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the charter dated May 1218 under which [her son] “Gui le bouteiller chevalier” relinquished his rights over the county of Clermont in favour of the king[380]. "Henricus...Silvanect...episcopus" confirmed the donation of “decimam...in...nemoris de Braisilva” made to Saint-Nicolas d’Acy by “dominus Guido buticularius”, with the consent of “conjugis suæ Margaritæ et filiorum suorum Guidonis primogeniti et Willelmi junioris”, by charter dated 1171[381]. "Guido Ludovici…regis Francie buticularius" donated property to Chaalis, with the consent of "uxoris mee Margarite et filiorum meorum Guidonis, Willelmi, Rainaldi, Nivelonis et filie mee Adeline", by charter dated 1180[382]. “Gui Le Bouteiller” donated “la terre d’Orry et de La Chapelle” to Senlis Notre-Dame, for the soul of “son frère Pierre l’Ermite prévôt et archidiacre de Soissons”, with the consent of “sa femme Marguerite et de ses fils Gui et Guillaume”, by undated charter, dated to before 1186[383]."
Med Lands cites:
[374] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Silvanectensis, XVII, col. 212.
[375] Pontoise Saint-Martin, Fascicule 3, Appendix, p. 286, citing Mss. lat. 17049, fol. 625.
[376] Esserent Saint-Leu, LXIX, p. 69.
[377] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Silvanectensis, XXVIII, col. 219.
[378] Pontoise Saint-Martin, Fascicule 3, Appendix, p. 289, quoting Collection Dom Grenier, Vol. 328.
[379] Chantilly Archives, p. 106.
[380] Delisle (1856), 1821, p. 401.
[381] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Silvanectensis, XXVIII, col. 219.
[382] Pontoise Saint-Martin, Fascicule 3, Appendix, p. 289, quoting Collection Dom Grenier, Vol. 328.
[383] Chantilly Archives, p. 106.1

Family

Marguerite de Clermont d. 29 Oct 1187
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm#GuyIIChantillyBouteillerdied1188A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm#GuyIIIBouteillerSenlisdied1221

Conrad (?) Count d'Arlon1

M, #23662, b. circa 985, d. 1032
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited24 Aug 2020
     Conrad (?) Count d'Arlon was born circa 985.1
Conrad (?) Count d'Arlon died in 1032.1
     GAV-28 EDV-28.

;      Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 8): “Ct Conrad of Arlon, *ca 985, +1032, maybe a son of Giselbert I of Longwy, Gf im Moselgau (+1004) had a son”
     However, no other source I can find makes this father/son link Therefore I have chosen to show no father for Conrad. GA Vaut.2,3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg8.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg8.html
  3. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 24 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Bertha (?)1

F, #23663, b. circa 935, d. after 996
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited28 Dec 2019
     Bertha (?) married Folmar III (?) Graf von Metz u. im Bliesgau, son of Folmar (?) Graf.1,2 Bertha (?) was born circa 935.3
Bertha (?) died after 996.3
     GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.1

; Per Med Lands: "BERTHA (-after 996). "Berta" donated property "in villa Rodena sita in pago Sarensi in comitatu Waldrauingensi" to St Ludwin in Metlach naming "defuncti coniugis mei Volkmeri" by charter dated 995 witnessed by "Wetel comes et nepos eius Wetel…"[639]. "Domna Berta, viri illustris Volcmari comitis relicta" donated property "in pago Moselensi in comitatu Waldeleuinga cui Gisilbertus comes…villa Mudenfert" to St Maximin, Trier "per manum advocati nostri comitis Henrici" naming "Beringerum fratrum suum S Treurice sedis corepiscopum" by charter dated 996 witnessed by "Friderich comes"[640]. m FOLMAR [III] Graf im Bliesgau, son of FOLMAR & his wife --- (-[994/95])."
Med Lands cites:
[639] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 270, p. 326.
[640] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 273, p. 328.4
She was living in 955; mentioned.1

Family

Folmar III (?) Graf von Metz u. im Bliesgau b. c 935, d. bt 994 - 995
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bertha: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106517&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#FolmarIIMetzdied1026A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32542
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#Berthadiedafter996MFolmarIMetz
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Folmar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106518&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Folmar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106516&tree=LEO

Folmar (?) Graf1

M, #23664, b. circa 905, d. after 950
FatherFolmar (?) Graf2 b. c 875, d. a 930
MotherRichilde (?)3,1 b. c 875
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited28 Dec 2019
     Folmar (?) Graf was born circa 905.4
Folmar (?) Graf died after 950.4
     GAV-29 EDV-30.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.1 He was living in 936.1

Family

Child

Folmar (?) Graf1

M, #23665, b. circa 875, d. after 930
ReferenceGAV30
Last Edited28 Dec 2019
     Folmar (?) Graf married Richilde (?)1,2 Folmar (?) Graf was born circa 875.3
Folmar (?) Graf died after 930.3
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.4 GAV-30. He was living in 920.1

Family

Richilde (?) b. c 875
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Folmar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106512&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106513&tree=LEO
  3. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44817
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Folmar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106512&tree=LEO

Richilde (?)1

F, #23666, b. circa 875
ReferenceGAV31 EDV31
Last Edited13 Feb 2004
     Richilde (?) married Folmar (?) Graf.2,1 Richilde (?) was born circa 875.3
     GAV-31 EDV-31.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.1

Family

Folmar (?) Graf b. c 875, d. a 930
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106513&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Folmar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106512&tree=LEO
  3. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44818
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Folmar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106514&tree=LEO

Godfrey V/III "the Hunchback" (?) Duke of Lower Lorraine1,2

M, #23667, d. 1076
FatherGodfrey IV/II "The Bearded" de Bouillon Duke of Upper & Lower Lorraine, Count of Verdun2 b. 1006, d. 1069
MotherUda (?)2
Last Edited29 Jul 2004
     Godfrey V/III "the Hunchback" (?) Duke of Lower Lorraine married Matilda (?) Dss of Tuscany, Lady of Canossa, daughter of Boniface I di Canossa Marquess of Tuscany and Beatrix (?) of Lorraine, between 1069 and 1070.2
Godfrey V/III "the Hunchback" (?) Duke of Lower Lorraine died in 1076 at near Vlaardingen; murdered.2
     ; Duke Godfrey III "the Hunchbacked" of Lower Lorraine (1069-76), +murdered nr Vlaardingen 1076; m.1069/70 Matilda (+1115) dau.of Mgve Boniface of Tuscany by Beatrix, Godfrey's stepmother.2 He was Duke of Lower Lorraine between 1069 and 1076.1,2

Family

Matilda (?) Dss of Tuscany, Lady of Canossa d. 1115
Child

Citations

  1. [S1559] The Periphery of Francia: Outremer - Kings of Jerusalem and Cyprus,
    Counts of Edessa, Princes of Antioch, Counts of Tripoli, Kings of Thessalonica, Dukes of Athens, Princes of Achaea, and the Grand Masters of the Military Monastic Orders, online The Periphery of Francia: Outremer. Hereinafter cited as http://www.friesian.com/outremer.htm#edessa
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html

Heinrich (?) Margrave of Istria1

M, #23668, d. 18 July 1228
FatherBerthold III/VI von Andechs Duke of Meran and Dalmatia1,2 b. 1153, d. 12 Aug 1204
MotherAgnes (?) von Rochlitz1 d. 25 Mar 1195
Last Edited4 Jan 2020
     Heinrich (?) Margrave of Istria married Sophia (?) von Weichselburg before 1207.1
Heinrich (?) Margrave of Istria died on 18 July 1228 at Windischgratz.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen2.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#BertoldIIIAndechsMeranodied1204. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Sophia (?) von Weichselburg1

F, #23669, d. 1256
Last Edited12 Dec 2003
     Sophia (?) von Weichselburg married Heinrich (?) Margrave of Istria, son of Berthold III/VI von Andechs Duke of Meran and Dalmatia and Agnes (?) von Rochlitz, before 1207.1
Sophia (?) von Weichselburg died in 1256.1

Family

Heinrich (?) Margrave of Istria d. 18 Jul 1228

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen2.html

Exbert (?)1

M, #23670, d. 6 June 1237
FatherBerthold III/VI von Andechs Duke of Meran and Dalmatia1,2 b. 1153, d. 12 Aug 1204
MotherAgnes (?) von Rochlitz1 d. 25 Mar 1195
Last Edited4 Jan 2020
     Exbert (?) died on 6 June 1237 at Vienna, Austria.1
Exbert (?) was buried after 6 June 1237 at Bamberg.


     ; Bishop of Bamberg.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen2.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#BertoldIIIAndechsMeranodied1204. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.