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     Louis (?) Marquis de Pont-a-Mousson was born in 1427 at Nancy, Lorraine, France.¹
Louis (?) Marquis de Pont-a-Mousson died after 1444.¹

     Nicolas (?) Duc de Bar died; died young.¹ He was born in 1428 at Nancy, Lorraine, France.¹

     Charles (?) Cte de Guise was born in 1431.¹
Charles (?) Cte de Guise died in 1432.¹

     Isabelle (?) died; died young.¹

     Louise (?) died; died young.¹ She was born in 1436.¹

     Anne (?) died; died young.¹ She was born in 1437.¹

     Jean (?) batard d'Anjou, Ms de Pont-a-Mousson married Marguerite de Glandeves-Faucon in 1500.¹

Jean (?) batard d'Anjou, Ms de Pont-a-Mousson died in 1536.¹
      ; [illegitimate] Jean, batard d'Anjou, Ms de Pont-a-Mousson, +1536; m.1500 Marguerite de Glandeves-Faucon:
D1. Catherine Marguerite d'Anjou, Mse de Pont-a-Mousson, +1589; m.Marseille 1525 François de Forbin (+1572)
D2. Françoise d'Anjou
D3. Blanche d'Anjou, a nun at Pont-a-Mousson.¹

     Marguerite de Glandeves-Faucon married Jean (?) batard d'Anjou, Ms de Pont-a-Mousson, son of Rene (?) Duc d'Anjou, King of Sicily and Naples, Duc de Lorraine, in 1500.¹

     Jeanne Blanche (?) batarde d'Anjou, Dame de Mirebeau married Bertrand de Beauvau Seigneur de Précigné on 28 November 1467 at Paris, City of Paris, Île-de-France, France,
; his 4th wife.^1,2
Jeanne Blanche (?) batarde d'Anjou, Dame de Mirebeau died in 1470.¹
      ; [illegitimate] Jeanne Blanche batarde d'Anjou, Dame de Mirebeau, +1470; m.Paris 1467 Bertrand de Beauvau (+1474.)¹

     Bertrand de Beauvau Seigneur de Précigné married Jeanne Blanche (?) batarde d'Anjou, Dame de Mirebeau, daughter of Rene (?) Duc d'Anjou, King of Sicily and Naples, Duc de Lorraine, on 28 November 1467 at Paris, City of Paris, Île-de-France, France,
; his 4th wife.^1,2
Bertrand de Beauvau Seigneur de Précigné died in 1474.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 46, 51; XIV 144.²

     Madeleine (?) batarde d'Anjou, Cts de Montferrand married Louis Jean (?) sn de Bellenave in 1496 at Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now).¹

Madeleine (?) batarde d'Anjou, Cts de Montferrand died after 1515.¹
      ; [illegitimate] Madeleine datarde d'Anjou, Cts de Montferrand (+after 1515); m.Tours 1496 Louis Jean, sn de Bellenave.¹

     Louis Jean (?) sn de Bellenave married Madeleine (?) batarde d'Anjou, Cts de Montferrand, daughter of Rene (?) Duc d'Anjou, King of Sicily and Naples, Duc de Lorraine, in 1496 at Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now).¹

     Barbara West married Sir John Guildford, son of George Guildford of Hemsted, Kent and Elizabeth Mortimer of Mortimer's Hall, Essex.¹

      ; UTZ@aol.com wrote in message news: >> I have 3 children by the 2nd wife, George, Leonard, & Owen.

Dave,

There was another daughter, Barbara West, by the second (or third) wife Eleanor Copley. Barbara married, Sir John Guildford, born "by 1508, only son of George Guildford of Hemsted [in Kent] by Elizabeth, da. of Sir Robert Mortimer of Mortimer's Hall, Essex." [HOP 1982] Sir John Guildford d. 5 July 1565.

Barbara's brother Owen West, whom you list above, married Sir John Guildford's sister, Mary Guildford.

Cheers, ----Brad.¹

     Sir John Guildford was born before 1508.¹ He married Barbara West, daughter of Sir Thomas West Ktn., KG, 5th Lord West, 8th Lord la Warre and Eleanor (Alianor) Copley.¹

Sir John Guildford died on 5 July 1565.¹
      ; There was another daughter, Barbara West, by the second (or third) wife Eleanor Copley. Barbara married, Sir John Guildford, born "by 1508, only son of George Guildford of Hemsted [in Kent] by Elizabeth, da. of Sir Robert Mortimer of Mortimer's Hall, Essex." [HOP 1982] Sir John Guildford d. 5 July 1565.

Barbara's brother Owen West, whom you list above, married Sir John Guildford's sister, Mary Guildford.

Cheers, ----Brad.¹

     George Guildford of Hemsted, Kent was born circa 1477; per Higgins email: [quote] There is an extensive discussion (about 11 pages) of Sir Richard Guildford [sic] and his family in "The Ancestry of Mary Isaac", by the noted genealogist Walter Goodwin Davis (1955). Davis does not attempt to guess the marriage dates of Sir Richard, but does indicate that his sons by the 1st marriage Sir Edward and George were born ca. 1475 and ca. 1477 respectively, while Sir Henry, of the 2nd marrriage, was b. ca. 1488. No birth dates given for the daughters, but it is noted that their birth order is uncertain. [end quote]² He married Elizabeth Mortimer of Mortimer's Hall, Essex, daughter of Sir Robert Mortimer of Mortimer's Hall, Essex and Lady Isabel Howard, between 1493 and 1496.^1,2

      ; per Johnson email: [quote] Among the children of Richard and Anne is George Guldeford whom I've already commented on. Elizabeth Mortymer [Mortimer]'s marriage and wardship was given to Sir Richard Guldeford and he promptly (more or less) married her off to his son George.

George Guldeford and Elizabeth Mortimer were married 1493/6 [end quote].²

     Elizabeth Mortimer of Mortimer's Hall, Essex married George Guildford of Hemsted, Kent, son of Sir Richard Guilford Knt. and Anne de Pympe, between 1493 and 1496.^1,4

      ; Elizabeth, da. of Sir Robert Mortimer of Mortimer's Hall, Essex." [HOP 1982]¹

     Sir Robert Mortimer of Mortimer's Hall, Essex married Lady Isabel Howard, daughter of Sir John Howard KG, Lord Howard, 1st Duke of Norfolk and Katherine de Moleyns.^3,2

Sir Robert Mortimer of Mortimer's Hall, Essex died between 1496 and 1501.²
      ; van de Pas cites: Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: page 969.²

     Margaret Grey married Sir Robert Greystoke Knt., KG, Baron Greystocke, son of Ralph Greystoke 5th Lord Greystoke and Elizabeth Fitz Hugh, after 1 January 1475
; He then married (2nd) by dispensation dated dated 19 Jan. 1474/5 (they being related in the 3rd degree of affinity) Margaret Grey. The dispensation for the second marriage can be found in Calendar of Papal Registers.: Letters, vol. 13, Pt. 1 (1955): 425. The document reads as follows:

Date: 19 Jan. 1474/5: "Mandate to the bishop of Lincoln. Mandate to dispense Robert Greystokk, layman, and Margaret Grey, mulier, of the said bishop's diocese, to marry, notwithstanding that they are related in the third degree of affinity, because the late Elizabeth Grey, also Robert's wife, was related to the said Margaret in the third degree of kindred.".^1,2,7,3
      ; van de Pas cites: Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 98,912, 972.³

; Complete Peerage 6 (1926): 199 (sub Greystoke) states that Sir Robert Greystoke (died 1483) married (1st) Margaret Grey, daughter of Edward Grey, Lord Ferrers of Groby, and, following her death, he married (2nd) Elizabeth Grey, daughter of Edmund Grey, Earl of Kent.

Actually it appears that the order of the marriages is reversed. Sir Robert Greystoke married (1st) Elizabeth Grey, by whom he had his daughter and heiress, Elizabeth, born in 1471. Sir Robert's first wife, Elizabeth, died in 1472. He then married (2nd) by dispensation dated dated 19 Jan. 1474/5 (they being related in the 3rd degree of affinity) Margaret Grey.

The dispensation for the second marriage can be found in Calendar of Papal Registers.: Letters, vol. 13, Pt. 1 (1955): 425. The document reads as follows:

Date: 19 Jan. 1474/5: "Mandate to the bishop of Lincoln. Mandate to dispense Robert Greystokk, layman, and Margaret Grey, mulier, of the said bishop's diocese, to marry, notwithstanding that they are related in the third degree of affinity, because the late Elizabeth Grey, also Robert's wife, was related to the said Margaret in the third degree of kindred.".

Sir Robert Greystoke's two wives were related in the 2nd and 3rd degrees of kindred (or 1st cousins, once removed) as follows:

Reynold Grey, Lord Grey of Ruthin (died 1440)
1= Margaret Roos 2 =Joan Astley
I I
I I
John Grey, of Ruthin Edward Grey, Lord Ferrers of Groby
= Constance Holand = Elizabeth Ferrers
I I
Edmund Grey, Earl of Kent I
=Katherine Percy I
I I
Elizabeth Grey =(1) Robert Greystoke(2)= Margaret Grey

For interest sake, Sir Robert Greystoke and his 1st wife, Elizabeth Grey, are in the ancestry of two colonial American immigrants:

Philip and Thomas Nelson, of Massachusetts

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah.¹

     Roger de Mortimer was born between 1305 and 1306.¹ He married Joan Butler before 1321
; they had no issue.¹
Roger de Mortimer died before 27 August 1338.¹

     Joan Butler married Roger de Mortimer, son of Sir Roger de Mortimer Knt., 8th Baron Mortimer, 1st Earl of March and Joan de Joinville, before 1321
; they had no issue.¹

     Bonne (?) de Bourgogne was born in 1379.¹
Bonne (?) de Bourgogne died in 1399 at Arras, France.¹

      ; "...who built Elmley Castle in Worcestershire and was steward of William the Conqueror."¹

     Henri de Risoir married Aleyde (?) de Dijon
; his 1st wife.¹ Henri de Risoir married Ida van Maldeghem
; his 2nd wife.¹ Henri de Risoir was born in 1360.¹
Henri de Risoir died in 1409.¹
      ; [illegitimate by Marie d'Auberchicourt (+1401)] Henri de Risoir, *1360, +1409; 1m: Aleyde de Dijon (+1385); 2m: Ida van Maldeghem.¹

     Geoffrey de Marmion of Llanstephan, co. Carmarthen lived at Llanstephan, co. Carmarthen, Wales.¹

     Aubrey/Auberee Marmion married Walter de Cormeilles.¹
Aubrey/Auberee Marmion married William de Camville of Seckington, co. Warwick, son of Richard de Camville of Stanton and Milicent de Réthel, before 1205.^3,4

      ; Yes, you are correct. The "C." stands for Chancery, as in Inquisition Post Mortem. Below please find a copy of the inquisition for Margaret (or Margery) de Cormeilles, one of the daughters and co-heiresses of Walter de Cormeilles. The inquisition is split into two parts, one an inquest held in Herefordshire, the other held in Gloucestershire. The writs for both inquests are dated May 1236.

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Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem 1 (1904): 1-2 Inquisition Post Mortem of Margaret alias Margery de Cormeilles

Writ to the sheriff of Hereford, 16 May, 20 Henry III [1236]. Inq.
(undated).
Her daughters, Alice, the wife of Robert le Archer, and Isabel, the wife of Simon de Solers, are her heirs by Walter de Stokes, her husband.

HEREFORD. Tatinton and Bolingehop' in Clehungre, ½ knight's fee, containing 3 carucates (and) 100 s. rent, held of the king in chief.

Eston town, 1 knight's fee held by Roger de Eston.

GLOUCESTER,
Begesoure and Hennemerse, 1 knight's fee held by James de Solers.

Writ to the sheriff of Gloucester, 17 May, 20 Henry III [1236]. Inq.
(undated).

GLOUCESTER. The jury know of no land held by any Margaret de Cormailles of the king in chief, but one Albreda de Marmiun sometime held certain lands of the king in chief in dower, which lands Henry de Penebrigg' now holds of Hugh Giffard, and he of the king in chief.

C. Hen. III. File 1. (5.) END OF QUOTE.
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The inquisition above indicates that a certain Aubrey Marmion formerly held Cormeilles property in dower, which property was being held in 1236 by Hugh Giffard, the known husband of Sibyl, one of the four Cormeilles co-heiresses. This suggests that Aubrey Marmion was the widow sometime before 1236 of a Cormeilles male, presumably Walter de Cormeilles himself. Also, it indicates that Aubrey Marmion survived her Cormeilles marriage, and was presumably dead before 1236.

Inasmuch as the inquisition above indicated that the Cormeilles family held lands in Gloucestershire, I checked the Book of Fees for anything pertaining to Walter de Cormeilles. I found the following item in the source:

Book of Fees commonly called Testa de Nevill. Part I (1920),pg. 50:

A.D. 1211-1213. Gloucester.

"Feoda Walteri de Cormailles in Wunnestan [Winson] et Elkestr [Elkstone] et Sid' [Syde] cum pertinenciis v. milites." END OF QUOTE.

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Finally, I located an article in the Bristol & Gloucestershire Society journal which pertains to the Cormeilles family. The author states unequivocably that Walter de Cormeilles married Aubrey Marmion, but he does not give his source. Interestingly, the article reveals Bishop Godfrey Giffard's known kinsman, Thomas de Solers, was a descendant of the Cormailles family as was the Bishop.

Transactions of the Bristol and Gloucestershire Archaeological Society, 40 (1917): 115-116:

"… Richard Cormeilles, his son, was father of a second Richard, and grandfather of Walter Cormeilles, who married Albreda de Marmion, and left by her four daughters, his co-heiresses, viz. Albreda, married to John le Brun; Sibyl, the wife of High Giffard; Alice, married to Godfrey de Craycumbe; and Margaret, the wife of Walter de Stokes. At the death of Walter de Cormeilles his estates were divided between his four daughters. The Manors of Hope and Aston in the County of Hereford, together with the Manor of Pauntley, and certain other land in Gloucestershire, came to Margaret, the wife of Walter de Stokes. She dying without male issue, her property was divided between her two daughters, co-heiresses. The elder, Alice, carried the Manor of Aston in marriage to Robert le Archer. The younger, Isabel, wife of Simon de Solers, inherited the Manors of Hope and Pauntley. The manors remained in the Solers family until 1310, when by Inquisition P.M. it was found that John, son of Thomas Solers, held at his decease, besides the Manor of Solers Hope, the Manor of Pauntley in Gloucestershire, and that his "kinsman" William de Wytington was his heir (see pedigree post). By the marriage of this William de Wytington of Co. Warwick with Maud, only daughter and heiress of John Solers, the Manors of Solers Hope and Pauntley became vested in the Whittington family from 1310 to 1546." END OF QUOTE.

I don't know who made the connection between Aubrey Marmion, wife of Walter de Cormeilles, and Aubrey Marmion, wife of William de Camville. I believe that Paget is correct that the two women are the same person, especially given Bishop Giffard's claim to kinship to Earl William de Beauchamp. Reviewing my notes, I see that Paget gives two sources for the marriage of Aubrey Marmion and William de Camville:

Plac. temp. Ric. 1 & Joh. rot. 4; Cart. l Joh. m 5

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah.⁵

; Dear Mardi, Chris, Tim, etc.

Below are records relating to Aubrey Marmion, which records I have
labelled as pertaining to Aubrey Marmion #1 and Aubrey Marmion #2.
The first Aubrey Marmion held lands at Weston[-under-Edge], co.
Gloucester in 1213, which lands appear to be the same lands which this
Aubrey reportedly held in dower of the Cormeilles family in
Gloucestershire [see the abstract of the 1236 IPM of Margaret de Cormeilles which I posted yesterday]. Aubrey Marmion #1 has been
identified at least twice in print as the widow of Walter de
Cormeilles (died c. 1204), which identification may or may not be
correct. The lands at Weston were subsequently held by Hugh Giffard,
husband of Walter de Cormeilles' daughter, Sibyl de Cormeilles. My
notes show that Hugh Giffard and Sibyl de Cormeilles were married
sometime before 18 March 1217.

The second Aubrey Marmion below is the one who married in or before
1205 William de Camville, of Seckington, co. Warwick, by whom she
appears to have had a son and heir, Goffrey de Camville. Aubrey
Marmion #2 is clearly identified in the records below as daughter of
Geoffrey Marmion. This Aubrey Marmion's son, Geoffrey de Camville,
was stated to be dead in 1220.

It is alleged by Gerald Paget's Baronage that the two Aubrey Marmions
are the same person, and that Aubrey Marmion married (1st) Walter de
Cormeilles, and (2nd) William de Camville. These statements may or
may not be true. It is possible that we are dealing with two Aubrey
Marmions, whose life histories have been collapsed into one
individual.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com

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I. Record pertaining to Aubrey Marmion #1.

Curia Regis Rolls 7 (1935), pp. 2-3:

Michaelmas term, 15 John 1213

"Glouc'. – Convenit inter Radulfum de Penebrig' querentem et Albredam
Marmiun de manerio de Weston', under idem Radulfus exigebat ab ea
servicium j. militis et unde ipsa non congnovit se tenere de eo, ita
quod ipsa recongnovit terram illam esse jus ipsius Radulfi et Radulfus
concessit ei terram illam tenendam de eo tota vita sua faciendo
servicium j militis; et post decessum ejus medietas illius terre
revertetur ad ipsum Radulfum vel heredes suos cum capitali mesagio et
cum tota advocacione ecclesie; et alia medietas remanebit heredibus
ipsius Albrede tenenda de ipso Radulfo et de heredibus suis per
servitium dimidii militis; et in escambium capitalis mesagii, quod
remanebit Radulfo, habebunt heredes Albrede de medietate ipsius
Radulfi j. mesagium adeo longum et latum sicut illud capitale mesagium
et pro advocatione ecclesie j. dimidiam virgatam terre. Set quoniam
ipsa Albreda entuit in capite terram prdeictam de domino rege et ei
inde fecit servicium, not potest recedere ab eo sine ejus licencia.
Et ideo habent diem in octabis sancti Martini."


II. Records relating to Aubrey Marmion #2.

Great Roll of the Pipe for the Seventh Year of the Reign of King John
Michaelmas 1205 (Pubs. of the Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 19) (1941), pg. 230:

Michaelmas 1205 sub Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire

"Willelmus de Canuill' et Albreda uxor eius debent j m. pro habendo
breui de feodo dim. militis cum pertinentiis in Childecote."

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Curis Regis Rolls 3 (1926), pg. 284:

Easter Term, 6-7 John
1205

"Warr'. – Assisa ultime presentationis inter Willelmum de Canvill' et
Albredam uxorem ejus petentes et Simonen de Berkeston' de ecclesia de
Sechendon' ponitur in respectum usque in crastinum sancte Trinitatus
pro defectu recognitorum, quia quidam essoniaverunt se."

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Curia Regis Rolls 5 (1931), pp. 54-55:

Michaelmas term, 9 John. 1207

Dereb'. – Willelmus de Kanvill' pro se et Albreda uxore ejus, cujus
loco ponitur, petit versus Willelmum de Berkele feudum dimidi militis
cum petinentiis in Childecot' ut jus Albrede uxoris sue, unde
Gaufridus Marmiun pater ipsius Albrede seisitus fuit in dominico ut de
feudo et jure tempore Henrici regis patris etc. capiendo inde expleta
ad valenciam etc."

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Curia Regis Rolls 8 (1938), pg. 238

Hilary Term, 4 Henry III
1220

Stafford': - Henricus de Alditheleg' summonitus fuit ad respondendum
Albrede Marmiun quo waranto se tenet in manerio de Clifton' cum
pertinentiis, quod ipsa clamat ut jus et hereditatem suam et quod ipsa
tradidit in custodiam Gaufrido de Camvill' filio suo quamdiu placeret
ei, qui mortuus est, ut dicit."



royalancestry@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<5cf47a19.0310300825.2af3cc2@posting.google.com>...

>> Dear Chris ~
>>
>> Yes, you are correct. The "C." stands for Chancery, as in
>> Inquisition Post Mortem. Below please find a copy of the inquisition
>> for Margaret (or Margery) de Cormeilles, one of the daughters and
>> co-heiresses of Walter de Cormeilles. The inquisition is split into
>> two parts, one an inquest held in Herefordshire, the other held in
>> Gloucestershire. The writs for both inquests are dated May 1236.
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - -
>> Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem 1 (1904): 1-2
>> Inquisition Post Mortem of Margaret alias Margery de Cormeilles
>>
>> Writ to the sheriff of Hereford, 16 May, 20 Henry III [1236]. Inq.
>> (undated).
>> Her daughters, Alice, the wife of Robert le Archer, and Isabel,
>> the wife of Simon de Solers, are her heirs by Walter de Stokes, her
>> husband.
>>
>> HEREFORD. Tatinton and Bolingehop' in Clehungre, ½ knight's fee,
>> containing 3 carucates (and) 100 s. rent, held of the king in chief.
>>
>> Eston town, 1 knight's fee held by Roger de Eston.
>>
>> GLOUCESTER,
>> Begesoure and Hennemerse, 1 knight's fee held by James de Solers.
>>
>> Writ to the sheriff of Gloucester, 17 May, 20 Henry III [1236]. Inq.
>> (undated).
>>
>> GLOUCESTER. The jury know of no land held by any Margaret de
>> Cormailles of the king in chief, but one Albreda de Marmiun sometime
>> held certain lands of the king in chief in dower, which lands Henry de
>> Penebrigg' now holds of Hugh Giffard, and he of the king in chief.
>>
>> C. Hen. III. File 1. (5.) END OF QUOTE.
>> - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> The inquisition above indicates that a certain Aubrey Marmion formerly
>> held Cormeilles property in dower, which property was being held in
>> 1236 by Hugh Giffard, the known husband of Sibyl, one of the four
>> Cormeilles co-heiresses. This suggests that Aubrey Marmion was the
>> widow sometime before 1236 of a Cormeilles male, presumably Walter de
>> Cormeilles himself. Also, it indicates that Aubrey Marmion survived
>> her Cormeilles marriage, and was presumably dead before 1236.
>>
>> Inasmuch as the inquisition above indicated that the Cormeilles family
>> held lands in Gloucestershire, I checked the Book of Fees for anything
>> pertaining to Walter de Cormeilles. I found the following item in the
>> source:
>>
>> Book of Fees commonly called Testa de Nevill. Part I (1920),pg. 50:
>>
>> A.D. 1211-1213. Gloucester.
>>
>> "Feoda Walteri de Cormailles in Wunnestan [Winson] et Elkestr
>> [Elkstone] et Sid' [Syde] cum pertinenciis v. milites." END OF QUOTE.
>>
>> - - - - - - -
>> Finally, I located an article in the Bristol & Gloucestershire Society
>> journal which pertains to the Cormeilles family. The author states
>> unequivocably that Walter de Cormeilles married Aubrey Marmion, but he
>> does not give his source. Interestingly, the article reveals Bishop
>> Godfrey Giffard's known kinsman, Thomas de Solers, was a descendant of
>> the Cormailles family as was the Bishop.
>>
>> Transactions of the Bristol and Gloucestershire Archaeological
>> Society, 40 (1917): 115-116:
>>
>> "? Richard Cormeilles, his son, was father of a second Richard, and
>> grandfather of Walter Cormeilles, who married Albreda de Marmion, and
>> left by her four daughters, his co-heiresses, viz. Albreda, married to
>> John le Brun; Sibyl, the wife of High Giffard; Alice, married to
>> Godfrey de Craycumbe; and Margaret, the wife of Walter de Stokes. At
>> the death of Walter de Cormeilles his estates were divided between his
>> four daughters. The Manors of Hope and Aston in the County of
>> Hereford, together with the Manor of Pauntley, and certain other land
>> in Gloucestershire, came to Margaret, the wife of Walter de Stokes.
>> She dying without male issue, her property was divided between her two
>> daughters, co-heiresses. The elder, Alice, carried the Manor of Aston
>> in marriage to Robert le Archer. The younger, Isabel, wife of Simon
>> de Solers, inherited the Manors of Hope and Pauntley. The manors
>> remained in the Solers family until 1310, when by Inquisition P.M. it
>> was found that John, son of Thomas Solers, held at his decease,
>> besides the Manor of Solers Hope, the Manor of Pauntley in
>> Gloucestershire, and that his "kinsman" William de Wytington was his
>> heir (see pedigree post). By the marriage of this William de
>> Wytington of Co. Warwick with Maud, only daughter and heiress of John
>> Solers, the Manors of Solers Hope and Pauntley became vested in the
>> Whittington family from 1310 to 1546." END OF QUOTE.
>>
>> I don't know who made the connection between Aubrey Marmion, wife of
>> Walter de Cormeilles, and Aubrey Marmion, wife of William de Camville.
>> I believe that Paget is correct that the two women are the same
>> person, especially given Bishop Giffard's claim to kinship to Earl
>> William de Beauchamp. Reviewing my notes, I see that Paget gives two
>> sources for the marriage of Aubrey Marmion and William de Camville:
>>
>> Plac. temp. Ric. 1 & Joh. rot. 4;
>> Cart. l Joh. m 5
>>
>> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>>
>> E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
>>
>> "Chris Phillips" wrote in message news:...
>
>>> > Douglas Richardson wrote:
>>
>>>> > > The marriage of Aubrey Marmion to Walter de Cormeilles comes from
>>>> > > Gerald Paget's Baronage. I haven't double checked Paget's original
>>>> > > account [148:1-2], but my notes indicate that he gives the following
>>>> > > source for this marriage:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > C. Hen. 3 file 1 No 5.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I believe the "C." stands for Close Rolls.
>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the reference.
>>> >
>>> > I wonder whether this could be one of the early Chancery inquisitions post
>>> > mortem? According to the online catalogue, C 132/1 covers 20-28 Henry III
>>> > [1235-1244], which is only just after the dates given by CP for Aubreye the
>>> > wife of William de Camville/Canville.
>>> >
>>> > If so, it should be covered in the first volume of published abstracts.
>>> >
>>> > Chris Phillips.⁴



GAV-26.

     Walter de Cormeilles married Aubrey/Auberee Marmion, daughter of Geoffrey de Marmion of Llanstephan, co. Carmarthen.¹

Walter de Cormeilles died circa 1204.²

     Catherine (?) de la Tour du Pin was born circa 1315.¹
Catherine (?) de la Tour du Pin died after 1319.¹

     Charles (?) was born in 1372.¹
Charles (?) died in 1373.¹