Robert "Furfan" de Ros of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York1

M, #10411, b. before 1185, d. before 23 December 1226
FatherEverard de Ros b. b 1166, d. b 29 Sep 1183
MotherRoese Trussebut b. c 1151, d. b 29 Sep 1196
ReferenceGAV21 EDV21
Last Edited22 Feb 2003
     Robert "Furfan" de Ros of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York was born before 1185.2 He married Isabel (?) of Scotland, daughter of William I "The Lion" (?) Earl of Northumberland, King of Scotland and Isabel Avenal, in 1191 at Haddington, Yorkshire, England.3,4,5,6

Robert "Furfan" de Ros of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York died before 23 December 1226.3,1
     He was Knight Templar.3

Robert "Furfan" de Ros of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York lived at Helmsley, Holderness, Yorkshire, England.2

; ROBERT ('Furfan' or 'Furson') de ROS; Bailiff of the district organised to defend the royal Castle of Bonneville sur Toques, Normandy, temp RICHARD I; served with KING JOHN in Ireland 1210; Sheriff Cumberland 1213-15; one of the 25 barons (magnates rather than lords of Parl) chosen to oversee implementation of Magna Carta's provisions; m 1191 Isabel, illegitimate dau of WILLIAM THE LION, KING OF SCOTS, and widow of Robert de Brus, and probably d by 23 Dec 1226.7 GAV-21 EDV-21 GKJ-21.

; Magna Charta Surety.3
Robert "Furfan" de Ros of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York was a witness to the signed Magna Carta.
Counsellors named in Magna Carta
     "The preamble to Magna Carta includes the names of the following 27 ecclesiastical and secular magnates who had counselled John to accept its terms. The names include some of the moderate reformers, notably Archbishop Stephen Langton, and some of John's loyal supporters, such as William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke. They are listed here in the order in which they appear in the charter itself:[62]
1. Stephen Langton, Archbishop of Canterbury and Cardinal
2. Henry de Loundres, Archbishop of Dublin
3. William of Sainte-Mère-Église, Bishop of London
4. Peter des Roches, Bishop of Winchester
5. Jocelin of Wells, Bishop of Bath and Glastonbury
6. Hugh of Wells, Bishop of Lincoln
7. Walter de Gray, Bishop of Worcester
8. William de Cornhill, Bishop of Coventry
9. Benedict of Sausetun, Bishop of Rochester
10. Pandulf Verraccio, subdeacon and papal legate to England
11. Eymeric, Master of the Knights Templar in England
12. William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke
13. William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury
14. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey
15. William d'Aubigny, Earl of Arundel
16. Alan of Galloway, Constable of Scotland
17. Warin FitzGerold
18. Peter FitzHerbert
19 Hubert de Burgh, Seneschal of Poitou
20. Hugh de Neville
21. Matthew FitzHerbert
22. Thomas Basset
23. Alan Basset
24. Philip d'Aubigny
25. Robert of Ropsley
26. John Marshal
27. John FitzHugh

The Council of Twenty-Five Barons
     "The names of the Twenty-Five Barons appointed under clause 61 to monitor John's future conduct are not given in the charter itself, but do appear in four early sources, all seemingly based on a contemporary listing: a late 13th-century collection of law tracts and statutes, a Reading Abbey manuscript now in Lambeth Palace Library, and the Chronica Majora and Liber Additamentorum of Matthew Paris.[63][64][65] The process of appointment is not known, but the names were drawn almost exclusively from among John's more active opponents.[66] They are listed here in the order in which they appear in the original sources:
1. Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford
2. William de Forz, Earl of Albemarle
3. Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex and Gloucester
4. Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
5. Henry de Bohun, Earl of Hereford
6. Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk
7. Robert de Vere, Earl of Oxford
8. William Marshal junior
9. Robert Fitzwalter, baron of Little Dunmow
10. Gilbert de Clare, heir to the earldom of Hertford
11. Eustace de Vesci, Lord of Alnwick Castle
12. Hugh Bigod, heir to the Earldoms of Norfolk and Suffolk
13. William de Mowbray, Lord of Axholme Castle
14. William Hardell, Mayor of the City of London
15. William de Lanvallei, Lord of Walkern
16. Robert de Ros, Baron of Helmsley
17. John de Lacy, Constable of Chester and Lord of Pontefract Castle
18. Richard de Percy
19. John FitzRobert de Clavering, Lord of Warkworth Castle
20. William Malet
21. Geoffrey de Saye
22. Roger de Montbegon, Lord of Hornby Castle, Lancashire[f]
23. William of Huntingfield, Sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk
24. Richard de Montfichet
25. William d'Aubigny, Lord of Belvoir

Excommunicated rebels
     "In September 1215, the papal commissioners in England – Subdeacon Pandulf, Peter des Roches, Bishop of Winchester, and Simon, Abbot of Reading – excommunicated the rebels, acting on instructions earlier received from Rome. A letter sent by the commissioners from Dover on 5 September to Archbishop Langton explicitly names nine senior rebel barons (all members of the Council of Twenty-Five), and six clerics numbered among the rebel ranks:[67]
Barons
1. Robert Fitzwalter
2. Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
3. Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford
4. Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex and Gloucester
5. Eustace de Vesci
6. Richard de Percy
7. John de Lacy, Constable of Chester
8. William d'Aubigny
9. William de Mowbray
Clerics
10. Giles de Braose, Bishop of Hereford
11. William, Archdeacon of Hereford
12. Alexander the clerk [possibly Alexander of St Albans]
13. Osbert de Samara
14. John de Fereby
15. Robert, chaplain to Robert Fitzwalter with John I "Lackland" (?) King of England on 15 June 1215.8

Family

Isabel (?) of Scotland
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 214-215, de ROS 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition     (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 116-1, p. 152. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 89-27, p. 88. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 115, HUNTINGDON 5:vii.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabella of Scotland: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002892&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  7. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de Ros Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  8. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  9. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 118, p. 155.

Isabel (?) of Scotland1,2,3

F, #10412
FatherWilliam I "The Lion" (?) Earl of Northumberland, King of Scotland2,3 b. 1143, d. 4 Dec 1214
MotherIsabel Avenal3,2
ReferenceGAV21 EDV21
Last Edited9 Oct 2005
     Isabel (?) of Scotland married Robert IV de Brus 4th Lord of Annandale, son of Robert de Brus II and Euphemia (?) d'Aumale, in 1183.4,1,2
Isabel (?) of Scotland married Robert "Furfan" de Ros of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York, son of Everard de Ros and Roese Trussebut, in 1191 at Haddington, Yorkshire, England.5,1,3,2

      ; [illegitimate by the dau.of Robert Avenal] Isabella; 1m: Robert IV le Brus, Lord of Annandale (+ca 1191); 2m: Robert de Ros, 1st Baron de Helmsley (+1226.)2 GAV-21 EDV-21.

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; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to Amercia bef.1700 7th Edition, Frederick Lewis Weis, Reference: 148
2. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family London, 1973 , Reference: 316.3

Family 1

Robert IV de Brus 4th Lord of Annandale b. 1150, d. b 1191

Family 2

Robert "Furfan" de Ros of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York b. b 1185, d. b 23 Dec 1226
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 115, HUNTINGDON 5:vii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabella of Scotland: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002892&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition     (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 116-1, p. 152. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  5. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 89-27, p. 88. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  6. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 118, p. 155.

Everard de Ros1

M, #10413, b. before 1166, d. before 29 September 1183
FatherRobert de Ros d. bt 1162 - 1163
MotherSibyl de Valognes d. bt 1212 - 1218
ReferenceGAV22 EDV22
Last Edited29 Sep 2002
     Everard de Ros married Roese Trussebut, daughter of William Trussebut Lord of Warter and Audrey/Alberede de Harcourt.2,3
Everard de Ros was born before 1166.1
Everard de Ros died before 29 September 1183.1
     GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-22.

.2

Family

Roese Trussebut b. c 1151, d. b 29 Sep 1196
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 214, de ROS 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 89-27, p. 88. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de Ros Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 214, de ROS 3:ii.
  5. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 214, de ROS 3:iii.

Roese Trussebut

F, #10414, b. circa 1151, d. before 29 September 1196
FatherWilliam Trussebut Lord of Warter b. c 1130, d. 1183
MotherAudrey/Alberede de Harcourt1
ReferenceGAV22 EDV22
Last Edited15 Feb 2003
     Roese Trussebut married Everard de Ros, son of Robert de Ros and Sibyl de Valognes.2,3
Roese Trussebut was born circa 1151.4
Roese Trussebut died before 29 September 1196.4
     GAV-22 EDV-22.

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Family

Everard de Ros b. b 1166, d. b 29 Sep 1183
Children

Citations

  1. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition     (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 116-1, p. 152. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 89-27, p. 88. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de Ros Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 214, de ROS 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  5. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 214, de ROS 3:ii.
  6. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 214, de ROS 3:iii.

Robert de Ros1

M, #10415, d. between 1162 and 1163
FatherPiers de Ros2 d. b 1130
MotherAdeline Espec2
ReferenceGAV23 EDV23
Last Edited9 Feb 2003
     Robert de Ros married Sibyl de Valognes, daughter of Piers de Valoins, between 1153 and 1163.3,4,1,5

Robert de Ros died between 1162 and 1163.1
      ; ROBERT de ROS; Constable to the Count d'Aumale c 1153-62/3; m Sibyl de Valognes (m 2nd c 1166, as his 2nd w, William de Percy (d 1174/5; see NORTHUMBERLAND, D); m 3rd 1181/2 Ralph d'Aubigny (d by autumn 1192) and d c 1212-18).5 GAV-23 EDV-23 GKJ-23.

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Family

Sibyl de Valognes d. bt 1212 - 1218
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 213-214, de ROS 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 213, de ROS 1.
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 89-27, p. 88. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 2.
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de Ros Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  6. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 213-214, de ROS 2:ii.
  7. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 213-214, de ROS 2:iii.

Sibyl de Valognes

F, #10416, d. between 1212 and 1218
FatherPiers de Valoins1
ReferenceGAV23 EDV23
Last Edited10 Jun 2020
     Sibyl de Valognes married Robert de Ros, son of Piers de Ros and Adeline Espec, between 1153 and 1163.2,3,4,5
Sibyl de Valognes married William de Percy, son of Alan de Percy and Emma de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent), circa 1166.6,5
Sibyl de Valognes married Ralph d'Albini (d'Aubigny), son of William "Brito" d'Albini Lord of Belvoir and Cecilia le Bigod heiress of Belvoir, in 1182.3,1

Sibyl de Valognes died between 1212 and 1218.6,5
     GAV-23 EDV-23.

; Weis [AR7] 89-27.2 Sibyl de Valognes was also known as Sybil de Valoins.1

Family 1

Robert de Ros d. bt 1162 - 1163
Children

Family 2

William de Percy d. bt 1174 - 1175

Family 3

Ralph d'Albini (d'Aubigny) d. b 29 Sep 1192
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Daubeney formerly of South Petherton Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 89-27, p. 88. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 213-214, de ROS 2.
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de Ros Family Page.
  6. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 194, de PERCY 3.
  7. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 213-214, de ROS 2:ii.
  8. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 213-214, de ROS 2:iii.
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/d’Aubigny.pdf, p. 5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gunnor d'Aubigny: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00478492&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  11. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntac.htm#GunnoraAlbiniBritoM2NihcolasStuteville. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Richard de Camville of Stanton1

M, #10417, b. circa 1127, d. circa 1170
FatherRichard de Camville2 b. c 1110, d. c 1170
MotherMilicent Barbant3 b. c 1127
ReferenceGAV24 EDV24
Last Edited3 Feb 2008
     Richard de Camville of Stanton married Milicent de Réthel, daughter of Gervais/Gervase de Rethel Comte de Rethel and Elizabeth (?) de Namur,
; her 2nd husband.4,5,1 Richard de Camville of Stanton was born circa 1127 at England.1
Richard de Camville of Stanton died circa 1170 at Italy.1
      ; Burke's Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, 1883.6 GAV-24 EDV-24.

; van de Pas cites: Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt, 1974, Martin, Georges, Reference: 221.1

; Weis [AR7] 84-27.7

Family

Milicent de Réthel b. bt 1121 - 1123, d. a 1155
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard de Camville, of Stanton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028890&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1313
  3. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I47936
  4. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I26669
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milicent de Rethel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199646&tree=LEO
  6. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I12192
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 84-27, p. 82. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Camville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00437096&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabelle/Millicent de Camville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028889&tree=LEO

Muriel (?)1

F, #10418, d. after 1275
ReferenceGAV23 EDV22
Last Edited5 Sep 2007
     Muriel (?) married Sir Matthew de Louvaine of Little Easton, Essex, son of Sir Godfrey de Lovaine and Agnes de Hastings.2,3

Muriel (?) died after 1275.
     GAV-23 EDV-22 GKJ-22.

Family

Sir Matthew de Louvaine of Little Easton, Essex d. b Jun 1258
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 132, de LOUVAIN 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 155A-27, p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brabant 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brabant/brabant2.html
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 132, de LOUVAIN 3:i.
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Milford Haven Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  6. [S2098] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 7 Sept 2006: "Re: CP Correction: Helisant 'du Perche', wife of Matthew de Lovaine"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/GiQpulF-RTk/m/sxTFfasJiiwJ) to e-mail address, 7 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 7 Sept 2006."

Sir Godfrey de Lovaine1,2

M, #10419, d. before 26 April 1226
FatherGodfrey III (?) Duke of Lower Lorraine, Count of Brabant3,2,4,5 b. 1142, d. 10 Aug 1190
MotherImaine/Imagina (?) von Looz3,2,6,7 d. 5 Jun 1214
ReferenceGAV24 EDV23
Last Edited17 Dec 2019
     Sir Godfrey de Lovaine married Agnes de Hastings, daughter of Robert de Hastings of Little Easton, Essex and Isabel (?) Lady of Little Easton, circa 1199.8,1,3,2,9

Sir Godfrey de Lovaine died before 26 April 1226; Genealogy.EU (Brabant 2 page) says de. 1225/6.8,1,3,2
     GAV-24 EDV-23 GKJ-23.

; Godfrey, of Louvain or in Anglo-Norman French 'de Lovaine'; custodian of his half-bro DUKE HENRY I's lands in England (chiefly the Castle and Honour of Eye in Suffolk), which came to the latter by his w (see below); joined the Baronial party opposed to KING JOHN; m c 1199 Alice, dau of Robert de Hastings and widow of Ralph de Cornhill, and d by 26 April 1226.3 He was Custodian of the honour and castle of Eye, Suffolk.8

Sir Godfrey de Lovaine immigrated in 1196; went to England.2

Family

Agnes de Hastings
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 132, de LOUVAIN 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brabant 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brabant/brabant2.html
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Milford Haven Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godfried III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020128&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BRABANT,%20LOUVAIN.htm#GodefroiVIILowLothdied1190A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Imagina von Looz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064395&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMBURG.htm#Margueritedied1172
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 155A-26, p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Hastings: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I0477612&tree=LEO

Agnes de Hastings1

F, #10420
FatherRobert de Hastings of Little Easton, Essex2,1
MotherIsabel (?) Lady of Little Easton3
ReferenceGAV24 EDV23
Last Edited27 Jun 2006
     Agnes de Hastings married Ralph de Cornhill.2,1
Agnes de Hastings married Sir Godfrey de Lovaine, son of Godfrey III (?) Duke of Lower Lorraine, Count of Brabant and Imaine/Imagina (?) von Looz, circa 1199.4,5,2,6,1

     GAV-24 EDV-23 GKJ-23.

; van de Pas cites: Europaische Stammtafeln, J. A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III/4 714.1

Family 1

Ralph de Cornhill d. b 1199

Family 2

Sir Godfrey de Lovaine d. b 26 Apr 1226
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Hastings: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I0477612&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Milford Haven Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I0477612&tree=LEO
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 155A-26, p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 132, de LOUVAIN 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brabant 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brabant/brabant2.html

Robert de Hastings of Little Easton, Essex

M, #10421
ReferenceGAV25 EDV24
Last Edited4 Mar 2016
     Robert de Hastings of Little Easton, Essex married Maud de Flamville, daughter of Roger de Flamville and Juetta de Arches.1
Robert de Hastings of Little Easton, Essex married Isabel (?) Lady of Little Easton.

     GAV-25 EDV-24.

Family 1

Maud de Flamville b. c 1140, d. a 1219

Family 2

Isabel (?) Lady of Little Easton
Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 155A-26, p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Milford Haven Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Hastings: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I0477612&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Maud de Flamville

F, #10422, b. circa 1140, d. after 1219
FatherRoger de Flamville1 b. c 1120, d. 1169
MotherJuetta de Arches1 b. 1110, d. c 1206
Last Edited4 Mar 2016
     Maud de Flamville married Robert de Hastings of Little Easton, Essex.2
Maud de Flamville was born circa 1140.1
Maud de Flamville died after 1219 at Bilston, co. Suffolk, England.1

Family

Robert de Hastings of Little Easton, Essex

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I45355
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 155A-26, p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Louis "d'Acre" de Brienne Vcte de Beaumont-au-Maine1,2,3

M, #10423, b. circa 1225, d. after 1 September 1297
FatherJean I de Brienne King of Jerusalem, Emperor of Constantinople4,2,3,5 b. 1168, d. 21 Mar 1237
MotherDoña Berengaria (?) Infanta de Castilla y León, Empress consort of Constantinople2,3,6,5 b. bt 1198 - 1199, d. 12 Apr 1237
ReferenceEDV21
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Louis "d'Acre" de Brienne Vcte de Beaumont-au-Maine was born circa 1225.7,8 He married Agnes de Beaumont Vcts de Beaumont-au-Maine, daughter of Raoul VIII de Beaumont Vicomte de Beaumont et du Maine and Agnes (?), on 12 February 1253.9,7,1,8,2,3

Louis "d'Acre" de Brienne Vcte de Beaumont-au-Maine died after 1 September 1297.7,1,2
     EDV-21.

Reference: Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 683.2

; Weis [AR7] line 114-29.9

Family

Agnes de Beaumont Vcts de Beaumont-au-Maine d. 9 May 1301
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis de Brienne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139445&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1671] Count W. H. Rüdt-Collenberg, The Rupenides, Hethumides and Lusignans: The Structure of the Armeno-Cilician Dynasties (11, Rude de Lille, Paris 7e, France: Librairie C. Klincksieck for the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation Armenian Library (Lisbon), 1963), Chart IX (B): The House of Brienne-Jerusalem. Hereinafter cited as Rudt-Collenberg: The Rupenides, etc.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Brienne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026633&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/JERUSALEM.htm#JeanBriennedied1237. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berenguela of León and Castile: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026634&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 2 page (de Brienne family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne2.html
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 114-29, p. 105. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne2.html
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Brienne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139443&tree=LEO
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Antioche.pdf, p. 8. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Agnes de Beaumont Vcts de Beaumont-au-Maine1,2

F, #10424, d. 9 May 1301
FatherRaoul VIII de Beaumont Vicomte de Beaumont et du Maine1 d. 1235
MotherAgnes (?)1
ReferenceEDV21
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Agnes de Beaumont Vcts de Beaumont-au-Maine married Louis "d'Acre" de Brienne Vcte de Beaumont-au-Maine, son of Jean I de Brienne King of Jerusalem, Emperor of Constantinople and Doña Berengaria (?) Infanta de Castilla y León, Empress consort of Constantinople, on 12 February 1253.3,1,2,4,5,6

Agnes de Beaumont Vcts de Beaumont-au-Maine died on 9 May 1301.1
     EDV-21.

Family

Louis "d'Acre" de Brienne Vcte de Beaumont-au-Maine b. c 1225, d. a 1 Sep 1297
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 114-29, p. 105. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 2 page (de Brienne family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne2.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis de Brienne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139445&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1671] Count W. H. Rüdt-Collenberg, The Rupenides, Hethumides and Lusignans: The Structure of the Armeno-Cilician Dynasties (11, Rude de Lille, Paris 7e, France: Librairie C. Klincksieck for the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation Armenian Library (Lisbon), 1963), Chart IX (B): The House of Brienne-Jerusalem. Hereinafter cited as Rudt-Collenberg: The Rupenides, etc.
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne2.html
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Brienne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139443&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Antioche.pdf, p. 8. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Raoul VIII de Beaumont Vicomte de Beaumont et du Maine1

M, #10425, d. 1235
FatherRichard I de Beaumont Vcte de Beaumont, de Fresnay et de Sainte-Suzanne1 d. a 1194
MotherLucie de L'Aigle1 d. a 1 Apr 1217
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Raoul VIII de Beaumont Vicomte de Beaumont et du Maine married Agnes (?) before 1212.2,1

Raoul VIII de Beaumont Vicomte de Beaumont et du Maine died in 1235; Genealogy.EU (Beaumont 4 page) says d. 1238/9.2,1
     He was Seigneur of Beaumont-le-Vicomte.2 EDV-22.

Family

Agnes (?)
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 114-29, p. 105. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Agnes (?)

F, #10426
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Agnes (?) married Raoul VIII de Beaumont Vicomte de Beaumont et du Maine, son of Richard I de Beaumont Vcte de Beaumont, de Fresnay et de Sainte-Suzanne and Lucie de L'Aigle, before 1212.1,2

Family

Raoul VIII de Beaumont Vicomte de Beaumont et du Maine d. 1235
Children

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 114-29, p. 105. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html

Richard I de Beaumont Vcte de Beaumont, de Fresnay et de Sainte-Suzanne1,2

M, #10427, d. after 1194
FatherRoscelin/Raoul I de Beaumont vicomte du Maine3,2,4,5 b. c 1100, d. b 1176
MotherConstance/Maud (?) of England3,2,6,5 d. a 1173
ReferenceGAV21 EDV23
Last Edited20 Dec 2020
     Richard I de Beaumont Vcte de Beaumont, de Fresnay et de Sainte-Suzanne married Lucie de L'Aigle, daughter of Richer II de L'Aigle and Edelina (?), before 1177
;
Her 1st husband.7,2,8
Richard I de Beaumont Vcte de Beaumont, de Fresnay et de Sainte-Suzanne died after 1194; Genealogy.EU (Beaumont 4 page) says d. aft 1199.7,1,2
     He was seigneur de Beaumont-le-Vicomte, Fresnay, and Ste. Suzanne.1 GAV-21 EDV-23.

.9

Family

Lucie de L'Aigle d. a 1 Apr 1217
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 20, de BEAUMONT-le-VICOMTE-2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 20, de BEAUMONT-le-VICOMTE-1.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roscelin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139652&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm#Roscelindied1176. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Constance bastarddaughter of England: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00005922&tree=LEO
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 98-26, p. 93. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#LucieAiglediedafter1217
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 98-26.
  10. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 20, de BEAUMONT-le-VICOMTE-2:ii.
  11. [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (New York, NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 12: Scotland: Kings until the accession of Robert Bruce. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html

Érard II de Brienne Comte de Brienne1,2,3

M, #10428, b. circa 1130, d. 8 February 1191
FatherGauthier II de Brienne Comte de Brienne, seigneur de Ramerupt2,4,5 b. a 1095, d. b 1161
MotherHumbeline (alias Adélaïde) de Baudément2,6 d. c 1166
ReferenceEDV23 GKJ24
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Érard II de Brienne Comte de Brienne was born circa 1130; Leo van de Pas estimate.2 He married Agnes de Montfaucon, daughter of Amadeus de Montfaucon Ct de Mompelgard (Montbeliard) and Beatrice de Joinville dite de Grandson, in 1166.7,1,2,3

Érard II de Brienne Comte de Brienne died on 8 February 1191 at Acre, HaTzafon (Northern District), Palestine (Israel now).7,1,2
     EDV-23 GKJ-24.

; Leo van de Pas cites: The Rupenides,Hethumides and Lusignans, Structure of the Armeno-Cilician dynast. Paris, 1963., W.H. Rudt-Collenberg
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 206
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 681.2

; Weis [AR7] line 114-28.8 He was Comte de Brienne between 1161 and 1191.1

; went on 3rd Crusade.1,7

Family

Agnes de Montfaucon
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Erard II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026640&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1671] Count W. H. Rüdt-Collenberg, The Rupenides, Hethumides and Lusignans: The Structure of the Armeno-Cilician Dynasties (11, Rude de Lille, Paris 7e, France: Librairie C. Klincksieck for the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation Armenian Library (Lisbon), 1963), Chart IX (B): The House of Brienne-Jerusalem. Hereinafter cited as Rudt-Collenberg: The Rupenides, etc.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gauthier II, Comte de Brienne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028300&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#GautierIIBriennedied1161B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humbeline de Baudement: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00452682&tree=LEO
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 114-28, pp. 104-105. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 114-28, pp. 104-105: "...fought in the 3rd Crusade, ...killed at Acre."
  9. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de Courtenay Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#IdaBrienneMArnoulReynel
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Brienne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139850&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Brienne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026633&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/JERUSALEM.htm#JeanBriennedied1237

Agnes de Montfaucon1

F, #10429
FatherAmadeus de Montfaucon Ct de Mompelgard (Montbeliard) d. 1140; Weis (AR7, line 114-28) says that Agnes was the dau. of Richard II de Montfaucon, but Genealogy.EU (Mtfaucon 1 page) and Leo van de Pas say that she was the dau. of Richard's son, Amadeus de Montfaucon2,3,1,4
MotherBeatrice de Joinville dite de Grandson1,5
ReferenceEDV23 GKJ24
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Agnes de Montfaucon married Érard II de Brienne Comte de Brienne, son of Gauthier II de Brienne Comte de Brienne, seigneur de Ramerupt and Humbeline (alias Adélaïde) de Baudément, in 1166.2,6,7,8

      ; Genealogy.EU (Brienne 1 page) says Agnes was "Agnes de Nevers, dau.of Guillaume III de Nevers, d'Auxerre et de Tonnerre."6

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XI 134.1 EDV-23 GKJ-24. Agnes de Montfaucon was also known as Agnes de Montbéliard.8

Family

Érard II de Brienne Comte de Brienne b. c 1130, d. 8 Feb 1191
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Montfaucon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026641&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 114-28, pp. 104-105. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Mtfaucon 1 page (de Montfaucon family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/mtfaucon1.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Amédée de Montfaucon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026642&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrice de Joinville dite de Grandson: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026643&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Erard II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026640&tree=LEO
  8. [S1671] Count W. H. Rüdt-Collenberg, The Rupenides, Hethumides and Lusignans: The Structure of the Armeno-Cilician Dynasties (11, Rude de Lille, Paris 7e, France: Librairie C. Klincksieck for the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation Armenian Library (Lisbon), 1963), Chart IX (B): The House of Brienne-Jerusalem. Hereinafter cited as Rudt-Collenberg: The Rupenides, etc.
  9. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de Courtenay Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  10. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#IdaBrienneMArnoulReynel. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Brienne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139850&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/JERUSALEM.htm#JeanBriennedied1237
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Brienne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026633&tree=LEO

Joan le Latimer

F, #10430
ReferenceEDV19
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Joan le Latimer married Alexander Comyn Sheriff of Aberdeen, son of Alexander Comyn 6th Earl of Buchan and Elizabeth de Quincy.1,2,3

     Reference: van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) III 685.3 EDV-19.

Family

Alexander Comyn Sheriff of Aberdeen b. c 1250
Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 114A-28, p. 105. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alexander Comyn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00161597&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan Le Latimer: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00161598&tree=LEO

Fergus (?) 4th Earl of Buchan

M, #10431, d. circa 1199
ReferenceGAV22 EDV22
Last Edited17 Dec 2020
     Fergus (?) 4th Earl of Buchan died circa 1199.1
     GAV-22 EDV-22. Fergus (?) 4th Earl of Buchan was also known as Fergus (?) 4th Earl of Buchan.

Family
Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 121A-26, p. 108. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177702&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#MargaretBuchandied12421244. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Herbert Fitz Herbert of Stanton, co. Wilts1,2,3,4

M, #10432, b. between 1125 and 1135, d. before June 1204
FatherHerbert Fitz Herbert5,2,3,4 b. b 1127, d. c 1155
MotherSibylla Corbet of Alcester2,3,4 b. c 1075, d. a 1157
ReferenceGAV24 EDV22
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Herbert Fitz Herbert of Stanton, co. Wilts was born between 1125 and 1135; Weis says "adult by 1165"; Med Lands says b. 1125/1135.1,6,4 He married Lucy (?) of Hereford, Lady of Blaen Llyfni and Bwich y Dinas, co. Brecknock, daughter of Miles Fitz Walter 1st Earl of Hereford, Lord of Brecknock and Sibyl de Neufmarche, before 1196.1,6,7,8,3

Herbert Fitz Herbert of Stanton, co. Wilts died before June 1204.9,1,2,3,4
Herbert Fitz Herbert of Stanton, co. Wilts was buried in June 1204 at Llanthony Secunda Priory, Hempsted, City of Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Gloucester, City of Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
     DEATH     Jun 1204, England
     Herbert FitzHerbert, III
     Date of birth: Depends on which document one is looking at. Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
     Date of death: June 1204
     Father: Henry FitzHerbert
     Spouse: Lucy FitzHerbert (born FitzMiles Hereford)
     Wife: Lucy FitzHerbert (born FitzMiles Hereford)
     Son: Piers (or Peter) FitzHerbert Piers “Peter” FitzHerbert
     Note Provided by: Contributor: lulu (47183637)
     Herbert Fitz Herbert, son and eventual heir, adult by 1165, d. shortly bef. June 1204; m. Lucy of Hereford, living 1219 or 1220, buried Chapter House of Lanthony, near Gloucester, lady of Blaen Llyfni and Bwlch y Dinas, co. Brecknock, daughter and coheir of Miles Fitz Walter of Gloucester, Earl of Hereford, by Sibyl de Meufmarche. - Ancestral Roots
     Family Members
     Spouse
          Lucy of Hereford FitzHerbert 1136–1220
     Children
          Piers FitzHerbert 1163–1235
     BURIAL     Llanthony Secunda Priory, Hempsted, City of Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
     PLOT     In the Chapter House.
     Created by: RFB Jenkins
     Added: 27 Sep 2015
     Find a Grave Memorial 152935407.10
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "LUCY (before 1143-[1219/20] or after, bur Lanthony Priory, Gloucester). The Historia fundationis cum fundatoris genealogia of the priory of Abergavenny names “Margaretam, Bertam et Luciam” as the three daughters of “Milonem” & his wife, adding that Lucy married “Herberto filio Hereberti” and inherited “foresta de Dene et aliis terries in Anglia”[408]. King John confirmed the possessions of Lanthony abbey by charter dated 30 Jul 1199, including the donation of "duas partes de Onedesleye" made by "Margar de Bohun", in accordance with the division made "inter ipsam et Luciam sororem suam"[409]. The Testa de Nevill lists knights who held land from bishop of Worcester, whose assets had been confiscated by King John, dated to [1208/13]: "Henricus de Boun comes Herefordie et domina Lucia que fuit uxor Herberti filii Herberti" held "manerio in Suham et Brokhamt ii milites…in comitatu Glouc"[410]. A feodary of the bishop of Worcester’s estates drawn up in [1219/20] records that "Dame Lucia, widow of Herbert fitz Herbert" held shares in two Gloucestershire manors[411]. A manuscript in Aske’s collections names “Milo…Erle of Herforde, Lord of Bricone and of all the Forest of Done, and also Constable of England…Sibbill wiff of the seid Milo…Luce the third daughter of the seid Milo Erle…” among those buried at Lanthony Priory[412].
     "m HERBERT FitzHerbert [II], son of HERBERT FitzHerbert [I] & his wife Sibyl Corbet (-before 18 Jul 1204)."
Med Lands cites:
[408] Dugdale Monasticon IV, Priory of Bergavenny or Abergavenny in Monmouthshire, Cartæ I, p. 615.
[409] Rotuli Chartarum, 1 John, p. 7.
[410] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 39.
[411] Eyton (1858), Vol. VII, p. 152, citing Testa de Nevill, p. 42.
[412] Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica, Vol. I (1834), XX, p. 169.8


; Per Weis: “Lucy of Hereford, dau. & coh., liv. 1219/20, Lady of Blaen Llyfni and Bwich u dinas, co. Brecknock, bur. Chapter House of Lanthony, near Glocester, heir to a 1/3 interest in the barony of her father; m. by 1196, Herbert Fitz Herbert (262-28), adult y 1165, d. sh. bef. June 1204, son and eventual h. of Herbert Fitz Herbert, dead by 1155, by his wife, Sibyl corbet (121-26, 199-26).”.6

Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter. 238.3 GAV-24 EDV-22 GKJ-22.

; Per Weis: “Herbert Fitz Herbert, s. and event. h., adult by 1165, d. sh. bef. June 1204; m. Lucy of Hereford (237-5), liv. 1219/20, bur. Chapter House of Lanthony new Gloucester, lady of Blaen Llyfni and Bwich y Dinas, co. Brecknock, dau. and coh. of Miles of Gloucester, Earl of Hereford, by Sibyl de Newumarche (177-4, 193-4, 237-4). (Eyton, cit; CP, cit., VI:457 note c, NGSQ, cit; Sanders, 8-9).”.11

; Per Med Lands:
     "HERBERT FitzHerbert [II], son of HERBERT FitzHerbert [I] & his wife Sibyl Corbet ([1125/35]-before 18 Jul 1204). “Willelmus filius Hugonis de Bridssale” donated property “de feudo Herberti filii Herberti” to Watton convent by charter dated to [1175/95][590]. His birth date range is estimated based on the latest birth date of his wife, bearing in mind the probable date of birth of his half-brother Renaud Earl of Cornwall and his own date of death. The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Herbertus filius Herberti i m" in Wiltshire in [1161/62][591]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Herbertus filius Herberti camerarii senioris" used to hold two knights` fees in Hampshire now held by "Herbertus filius eius"[592]. The 1176/77 Pipe Roll names "Herbertus filius Herberti" in Hampshire[593]. Benedict of Peterborough records that Henry II King of England granted the kingdom of Limerick to "Hereberti filio Hereberti, et Willelmo fratri comitis Reginaldi, et Joellano de la Pumerai nepoti eorum" at a council in Oxford in May 1177, but that "Herbertus et Willelmus, fratres Reginaldi comitis Cornubiæ, et Joellanus de Pumeria nepos eorum" declined it at a council at Marlborough 3 Jun 1177[594]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1190/91], records "Herbertus filius Herbertus" paying "xx s, ii milites" in Berkshire and "x s, i militem" in Wiltshire[595]. The Pipe Roll at Michaelmas 1194 records “Herbertus f Herberti” owing for “legalem portionem suam versus Margaretam de Bohun” also in Gloucestershire[596]: the property in question was presumably inherited from Miles of Gloucester, the father of Margaret de Bohun and of Herbert’s wife. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1194/95], names "Herbertus filius Herberti" paying "xxv s, i militem et tertiam" in Hampshire[597].
     "m LUCY of Hereford, daughter of MILES of Gloucester Earl of Hereford & his wife Sibylle de Neufmarché (before 1143-[1219/20] or after, bur Lanthony Priory, Gloucester). The Historia fundationis cum fundatoris genealogia of the priory of Abergavenny names “Margaretam, Bertam et Luciam” as the three daughters of “Milonem” & his wife, adding that Lucy married “Herberto filio Hereberti” and inherited “foresta de Dene et aliis terries in Anglia”[598]. King John confirmed the possessions of Lanthony abbey by charter dated 30 Jul 1199, including the donation of "duas partes de Onedesleye" made by "Margar de Bohun", in accordance with the division made "inter ipsam et Luciam sororem suam"[599]. The Testa de Nevill lists knights who held land from bishop of Worcester, whose assets had been confiscated by King John, dated to [1208/13]: "Henricus de Boun comes Herefordie et domina Lucia que fuit uxor Herberti filii Herberti" held "manerio in Suham et Brokhamt ii milites…in comitatu Glouc"[600]. A feodary of the bishop of Worcester’s estates drawn up in [1219/20] records that "Dame Lucia, widow of Herbert fitz Herbert" held shares in two Gloucestershire manors[601]. A manuscript in Aske’s collections names “Milo…Erle of Herforde, Lord of Bricone and of all the Forest of Done, and also Constable of England…Sibbill wiff of the seid Milo…Luce the third daughter of the seid Milo Erle…” among those buried at Lanthony Priory[602]."
Med Lands cites:
[590] Early Yorkshire Charters I, 33, p. 40.
[591] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Knights fees, p. 32.
[592] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Certificationes factæ de feodis militum, p. 205.
[593] Pipe Roll 23 Hen II (1176/77), Hampshire, p. 172.
[594] Benedict of Peterborough, Vol. I, pp. 163 and 172.
[595] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Anno secundo regis Ricardi…scutagium Walliæ assisum, pp. 73 and 74.
[596] Pipe Roll 6 Ric I (1194/95), Gloucestershire, p. 239.
[597] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Anno VI regis Ricardi, ad redemptionem eius, scutagium ad XXs, p. 91.
[598] Dugdale Monasticon IV, Priory of Bergavenny or Abergavenny in Monmouthshire, Cartæ I, p. 615.
[599] Rotuli Chartarum, 1 John, p. 7.
[600] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 39.
[601] Eyton (1858), Vol. VII, p. 152, citing Testa de Nevill, p. 42.
[602] Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica, Vol. I (1834), XX, p. 169.4

Family

Lucy (?) of Hereford, Lady of Blaen Llyfni and Bwich y Dinas, co. Brecknock b. b 1143, d. bt 1219 - 1220
Child

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 95-96, Fitz PIERS 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1820] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 22 Oct 2004 "Stanton FitzWarren, co. Wilts. and the Descendants of Sibyl Corbet"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 Oct 2004."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Herbert FitzHerbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00284743&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#HerbertFitzHerbertdied1204B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1629] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 April 2004: "CP Addition: Ancestry of the Lords Botreaux"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Apr 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 April 2004."
  6. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 237-5, p. 215.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lucy of Hereford: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00284744&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#LucyHereforddiedafter1193
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 237-5, pp. 201-202. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 15 December 2020), memorial page for Herbert FitzHerbert III (unknown–Jun 1204), Find a Grave Memorial no. 152935407, citing Llanthony Secunda Priory, Hempsted, City of Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England; Maintained by RFB Jenkins (contributor 47712974) Unknown, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152935407. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  11. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 262-28, p. 254.
  12. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 237-6, p. 215.

Herbert Fitz Herbert1,2,3

M, #10433, b. before 1127, d. circa 1155
FatherHerbert FitzHenry of Winchester2,4 d. bt 1129 - 1130
MotherEmma "bâtarde de Blois" (?) of Blois2,3,5 b. b 1102
ReferenceGAV23 EDV23
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Herbert Fitz Herbert married Sibylla Corbet of Alcester, daughter of Robert Fitz Corbet Domesday Baron of Longdon and Alcester.6,2
Herbert Fitz Herbert was born before 1127.7
Herbert Fitz Herbert died circa 1155.1
     GAV-23 EDV-23.

; Thursday, 21 October, 2004



Hello All,

Sir Reginald, or Reynold fitz Piers, of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock,
died on 5 May 1285, leaving his son John (the future Lord Fitz Reynold)
his eldest son and heir [1]. His ancestry appears well accounted for,
at least back to Herbert fitz Alberic the chamberlain and his wife Emma
of Blois, but an interesting record is provided in Yorkshire
Inquisitions, concerning his IPM of 30 May 1286:

' Reginald Fitz Peter's father, Peter Fitz Herbert, married
Sibil, daughter and co-heiress of Joceus de Dynan, who was
living in the reign of Richard I. Hawyse, the other heiress,
married Fitz Warine. The descent is set out in a suit in
1346 about the next presentation to the church of Staunton,
near Heyworth, in Wiltshire, in which William Fitz Warine
was the plaintiff, and Reginald Fitz Peter's great grandson,
Matthew Fitz Herbert, the defendant (De Banco. Mich. 20
Edw. III., m. 130, quoted in the Genealogist, N.S. x. 28). ' [2]

This identification of Sibyl de Dynan as the wife of Piers fitz
Herbert (d. aft 19 May 1235) and mother of Sir Reynold fitz Piers appears
erroneous if only from a chronogical standpoint: Josce de Dinan, the
father of Sibyl and her sister Hawise, died in 1167. Hawise, wife of
Fulk fitz Warin of Whittington, co. Salop & c., had a large progeny, with
her son and heir Sir Fulk born in 1178 or before [3]. The possibility
that Sibyl could have a son dying in 1285, with an eldest son then aged
30, seems well beyond reason.

There is, however, a possible explanation for this claim, which was
based on the tenure of Sir Matthew Fitz Herbert (Lord FitzReynold) of the
advowson of 'Staunton', or Stanton FitzWarren, co. Wilts. The following
information concerns the manor of Stanton FitzWarren, its early tenure in
the "FitzReynold" family, and contentions with known descendants of
Josce de Dynan:

' In 1190, Reginald fitz Herbert paid the first instalment of a
fine of £100, pro manerio de Caleston et Stanton (Rot. Pipe, 2
Richard I, Wilts). In 1192, Herbert fitz Herbert pays £13 7s.,
and owes £2 3s., of a fine of £ 15 10s., pro manerio de Culeston
et de Stanton quas Reginalus filius suus habuit. ' [4]

' In 1194 Fulk II, Hawise [de Dinan, his wife], Sibil, and Alan
de Plugenay brought a suit of mort d'ancestor against Herbert Fitz
Herbert for the manor of Stanton (now Stanton Fitzwarren), and a
more detailed record of this suit indicates that Herbert was also
being sued for the manor of Calstone..... Apparently Fitz Herbert
won the first round of the suit, for in a new round of lawsuits
beginning in 1228, Fulk III is listed as the plaintiff and Peter
Fitz Herbert (Herbert Fitz Herbert's son) is referred to as the
tenant of Stanton.' [5]

From the foregoing, it is evident the original basis for the tenure
of Stanton FitzWarren in the hands of ancestors of John, Lord FitzReynold
well predates his grandfather Piers fitz Herbert, so the suit of 1346 is
clearly in error, at least as far as Brown's extract from same is
concerned. What appears quite possible, however, is that Sibyl Corbet,
one-time mistress of Henry I of England and wife of Herbert fitz Herbert
the chamberlain (and ancestress of the Fitz Herberts and Lords
FitzReynold) was also the one-time wife of Josce de Dynan, and the
conduit for both the inheritance of Stanton FitzWarren and the
conflicting claims of her descendants. I suggest the relationship
originated as follows:

[NOTE: the marriage of Sibyl Corbet and Josce de Dynan is conjectured, and unproven]

? = conjectured marriage
<1194> = plaintiff or defendant in mort d'ancestor, 1194
_________________________________________________________


<1> Henry I ~ Sibyl = 1) Herbert = ? 2) Josce de
of England : Corbet I fitz Herbert I Dynan
d. 1135 : I I d. 1167
.............: _____________I__ ______I________
: I I I I
Reginald Herbert Rohese Sibyl Hawise
E of of Stanton, = Henry de = Hugh de = Fulk fitz
Cornwall co. Wilts. la Pomerai Plugenet Warin
I d bef Jul 1204 I d bef 1200 d aft 1194
V <1194> V I <1194>
I I I
I I I
Piers fitz Herbert Alan de Fulk fitz
d. aft 19 May 1235 Plugenet Warin
I <1194> d. aft 1249
I ____I
I I
1)Alice = Reynold fitz Piers Sir Fulk fitz Warin
I d. 5 May 1285 k. at Lewes, 1264
I I
I I
Sir John FitzReynold Sir Fulk FitzWarin
Lord FitzReynold d. 1315
I I
I I
Sir Herbert FitzJohn I
2nd Lord FitzReynold V
I
I William fitz Warin
Sir Matthew FitzHerbert
3rd Lord FitzReynold



There are alternate explanations as to a basis for the 1346 suit,
but the above chart is consistent with the existence of competing claims
in 1194 and 1346. Those other instances of suit of mort d'ancestor I am
familiar with (e.g., Theobald Walter vs. Fulk FitzWarin in 1226) involve
claims to manors or moieties thereof between kinsmen (frequently of the
half-blood), similar to the conjectured relationships shown above.

Should anyone have additional insight into the foregoing dispute, or
relevant suggestions, documentation, commentary or criticism, that would
be welcome as always.

Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] CP V:465, sub _FitzReynold_ .

[2] William Brown, ed., Yorkshire Inquisitions (The Yorkshire
Archaeological Society Record Series, Vol. XXIII), II:46,
No. XXXVIII.

[3] Fulk was of age in 1198 [J. Meisel, Barons of the Welsh Frontier, pp. 90-94; also cf. CP V:494-5, sub _FitzWarin_ ].

[4] John Ross Delafield, Delafield: The Family History (privately
published, 1945), cites Eyton, Antiquities of Shropshire, and Rot.
Curiae Regis, I, 35, 37.

[5] Meisel, p. 94.


* John P. Ravilious.8

Family

Sibylla Corbet of Alcester b. c 1075, d. a 1157
Child

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 95, Fitz PIERS 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1629] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 April 2004: "CP Addition: Ancestry of the Lords Botreaux"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Apr 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 April 2004."
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Blois-Champagne.pdf, p. 5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#HerbertChamberlain. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emma de Blois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00284741&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 61, CORBET 3:ii.
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 262-28, p. 238. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  8. [S1820] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 22 Oct 2004 "Stanton FitzWarren, co. Wilts. and the Descendants of Sibyl Corbet"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 Oct 2004."
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Herbert FitzHerbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00284743&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#HerbertFitzHerbertdied1204B

Thomas de Holand1

M, #10434
FatherSir Robert de Holand Ktn., 2nd Lord Holand of Upholland1,2,3 b. c 1312, d. 16 Mar 1372/73
MotherElizabeth (?)1,3,4 d. b 16 Mar 1372
Last Edited20 Dec 2008
     Thomas de Holand died; dsp & vp.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Zouche Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Holand: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00377414&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Holand 8: p. 399. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00377416&tree=LEO

Robert Fitz Corbet Domesday Baron of Longdon and Alcester

M, #10435, b. before 1070, d. after 1135
FatherHugo le Corbeau (Corbet) Chevalier of Pays de Caux, Normandy1 b. b 1040, d. bt 1076 - 1086
ReferenceGAV25 EDV24
Last Edited15 May 2004
     Robert Fitz Corbet Domesday Baron of Longdon and Alcester was born before 1070.2
Robert Fitz Corbet Domesday Baron of Longdon and Alcester died after 1135; John Ravilious says d. aft 1135; Boyer says d. aft 1130.2,3
     GAV-25 EDV-24.

; 1 Robert fitz Corbet
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 1135[1]
Father: NN Corbet (-<1086)

of Longdon and Alcester, co. Salop[1] younger son; 'burgess of Caen' (CP Vol V (Gloucester), p. 683)[2] held his lands (15 manors containing approx. 22 hides at Domesday Book, 1086) of the Earl of Shrewsbury witness to charter of Henry I to Shrewsbury Abbey, 1121; ardent supporter of Matilda in war with Stephen[1]
Children: Sibylla
Alicia (-<1149)

SOURCES

1. Janet Meisel, "Barons of the Welsh Frontier: The Corbet,
Pantulf and Fitz Warin Families, 1066-1272," Lincoln:
University of Nebraska Press.
2. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage,"
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great
Britain and the United Kingdom.3

Family
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 60, CORBET 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 61, CORBET 3.
  3. [S1629] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 April 2004: "CP Addition: Ancestry of the Lords Botreaux"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Apr 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 April 2004."
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 61, CORBET 3:i.

Herbert FitzHenry of Winchester1

M, #10436, d. between 1129 and 1130
ReferenceGAV24 EDV24
Last Edited19 Apr 2020
     Herbert FitzHenry of Winchester married Emma "bâtarde de Blois" (?) of Blois, daughter of Etienne (Stephen) Henri de Blois comte de Blois, Chartres, Châteaudun, Meaux, Provins et Sancerre,
;      NB: Med Lands says the identification of Herbert's wife "Emma" as the illegitimate dau. of Etienne de Blois should be treated with caution.
Wikipedia says: "Most sources state that Herbert married Emma, half-sister of King Stephen and Henry of Blois, Bishop of Winchester,[6] and that she was an illegitimate daughter of Stephen II, Count of Blois, Stephen's father.[7] New research, however, suggests that Emma might have been a daughter of Hunger fitzOdin, who held lands in Dorset in the Domesday survey.[3][8]" Wikipedia cites:
6. Greenway Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1066–1300: Volume 6: York: List 1: Archbishops Archived 7 June 2007 at the Wayback Machine
7. Davis, King Stephen, pp. 172–173
8. Norton St. William of York p. 207

     Wikipédia (Fr.) states: "Enfant illégitime possible : Emma, épouse de Herbert de Winchester. Il semble toutefois qu'Emma n'ait rien à voir avec la Maison de Blois8. Elle serait plutôt la fille de Hunger fitz Odin, seigneur de Broad Windsor (Dorset)8. Elle est la mère de Guillaume FitzHerbert, archevêque d'York (1143-1147, 1153-1154). Wikipédia (Fr.) cites: 8. Janet Burton, « William of York (d. 1154) », Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004.

     The DNB entry for Herbert and Emma's son, William of York, says: "there is evidence that his wife was not a member of the house of Blois but rather the daughter of Hunger fitz Odin, Domesday tenant of Broad Windsor, Dorset. Domesday Book shows Herbert to have been a Hampshire landowner, of local significance only."2,3,4,5,6
Herbert FitzHenry of Winchester died between 1129 and 1130; Weis [1992:238] says d. "in or sh. bef. 1130"; Med Lands says d. 1129/30.2,1
     GAV-24 EDV-24. He was Chamberlain and Treasurer under William II and Henry I.2

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Herbert of Winchester (sometimes Herbert fitzAlberic)[1] was an Anglo-Norman nobleman during the period following the Norman conquest of England.
     "Herbert held land as an under-tenant of the Archbishop of York in the Domesday Survey of 1089.[2] He held the office of chamberlain of the Winchester treasury during the reign of King William II of England,[3] and the office of chancellor and treasurer under King Henry I.[4] During William II's reign, Herbert became a tenant-in-chief, holding lands directly from the king. Herbert may have been a member of the clergy, although it is known that he was married.[5]
     "Most sources state that Herbert married Emma, half-sister of King Stephen and Henry of Blois, Bishop of Winchester,[6] and that she was an illegitimate daughter of Stephen II, Count of Blois, Stephen's father.[7] New research, however, suggests that Emma might have been a daughter of Hunger fitzOdin, who held lands in Dorset in the Domesday survey.[3][8]
     "Herbert was the father of Herbert and William. William later became Archbishop of York.[2] The younger Herbert became chamberlain to King David I of Scotland around 1156.[1]
     "Herbert was probably dead by 1129–1130, when the Pipe Roll of 1130 records his son as owing a fine for the inheritance of his father's lands,[3] a fine totalling over 353 marks, perhaps as much as 500.[5] However, there is no certain record of Herbert after 1111, and it is possible that he should be considered the same person as "H. the Chamberlain", who Abbot Suger of St Denis named as an attempted assassin of Henry I in 1118, and who was punished by the king for the attempt.[3] Suger stated that the would-be-assassin was a chamberlain whose name began with "H", and who had been close to the king and received great rewards from the king. Suger added that the king only blinded and castrated the man, which the abbot considered to be mild compared with the hanging that the man deserved. William of Malmesbury does not name the assassin either, but relates that he had custody of the royal treasury. The historian C. Warren Hollister first made the identification between "H." and Herbert, noting that there was only one chamberlain in King Henry I's reign who had a name beginning with "H". The main argument against the identification is the fact that most records considered that Herbert remained in office until close to 1129 or 1130. However, charter evidence supports the inheritance of Herbert's lands by his son before 1121.[9]
Citations
1. Keats-Rohan Domesday Descendants p. 199
2. Keats-Rohan Domesday People p. 250
3. Burton "William of York" "Oxford Dictionary of National Biography"
4. Hollister "Origins of the English Treasury", English Historical Review p. 268
5. Barlow William Rufus p. 149
6. Greenway Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1066–1300: Volume 6: York: List 1: Archbishops Archived 7 June 2007 at the Wayback Machine
7. Davis, King Stephen, pp. 172–173
8. Norton St. William of York p. 207
9. Hollister Henry I p. 256
References
** Barlow, Frank (2000). William Rufus (Second ed.) New Haven, CT: Yale University Press. ISBN 0-300-08291-6.
** Burton, Janet (2004). "William of York (d. 1154)" ((subscription or UK public library membership required)). Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/9606. Retrieved 29 August 2014.
** Davis, R. H. C. (1990). King Stephen 1135–1154 (Third ed.) New York: Longman. ISBN 0-582-04000-0.
** Greenway, Diana E. (1999). Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1066–1300: Volume 6: York: List 1: Archbishops. Institute of Historical Research. Archived from the original on 7 June 2007. Retrieved 29 August 2014.
** Hollister, C. Warren (2001). Frost, Amanda Clark (ed.) Henry I. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press. ISBN 0-300-08858-2.
** Hollister, C. W. (April 1978). "The Origins of the English Treasury". The English Historical Review. 93 (367): 262–275. doi:10.1093/ehr/XCIII.CCCLXVII.262. JSTOR 567061.
** Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. (1999). Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents, 1066–1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Ipswich, UK: Boydell Press. ISBN 0-85115-863-3.
** Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. (1999). Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents, 1066–1166: Domesday Book. Ipswich, UK: Boydell Press. ISBN 0-85115-722-X.
Norton, Christopher (2006). St William of York. York, UK: York Medieval Press. ISBN 1-903153-17-4."5

; Per Med Lands:
     "HERBERT FitzHenry, son of HENRY & his wife --- (-[1129/30]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. [Domesday Book records land held by “Herbert the Chamberlain” in Rhode and Selborne in Neatham Hundred, Soberton in Meonstoke Hundred in Hampshire[507]. It is not known whether these entries relate to the future chamberlain of King Henry I.] Chamberlain of Henry I King of England from 1101. "…Herbertus regis camerarius…" subscribed a charter dated Sep 1101 under which Bishop Herbert donated property to Norwich priory[508]. The Hyde Register lists "Herbertus camerarius, Arnulfus filius eius, Emma uxor eius" immediately after the names of King Henry I and his first wife[509]. An undated charter of Thomas Archbishop of York records that "domino Herberto Camerario et filio eius" were enfeoffed with "Laudesbrough, cum Tolethorpe, Wiverthorpe cum Helperthorp et duabus Luttunis in Turgisleby" and other properties in Yorkshire and in Gloucestershire, witnessed by "…Herbertus filius…"[510]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Herb Camer" in Bedfordshire and Warwickshire[511]. As his son appears in the same source holding lands of his father, it is assumed that Herbert FitzHenry died during the course of that year.
     "m EMMA, daughter of ---. The Hyde Register lists "Herbertus camerarius, Arnulfus filius eius, Emma uxor eius" immediately after the names of King Henry I and his first wife[512]. Secondary sources state that she was Emma de Blois, illegitimate daughter of Etienne Comte de Blois & his mistress ---. This is presumably based on the Chronicle of Meaux, in Yorkshire, which names "comitis --- Herberti filius, ex Emma sorore regis Anglorum Stephani progenitus"[513]. As this source is dated to [1394/1400], it is unlikely to be conclusive in relation to events which occurred 250 years earlier in the absence of other corroborative evidence. Eyton includes no reference to any wife of Herbert FitzHenry in his article on the barony of FitzHerbert[514]. Until further evidence comes to light, it is suggested that the information be considered with caution. If it is correct, the chronology of the FitzHerbert family dictates that Emma must have been born while her supposed father was still young, maybe even before his marriage to Adela of England in 1080.
     "Herbert & his wife had six children."
Med Lands cites:
[507] Domesday Translation, Hampshire, LV, p. 118.
[508] Dugdale Monasticon IV, Cathedral Priory of Norwich, III, p. 15.
[509] Hyde Register, p. 50.
[510] Dugdale Monasticon VI Part 3, Cathedral of St Peter, York, CIX, p. 1196.
[511] Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), Bedfordshire, Warwickshire, p. 104.
[512] Hyde Register, p. 50.
[513] Chronica Melsa, Vol. I, XIX, p. 114.
[514] Eyton (1858), Vol. VII, pp. 146-7.1


Reference: Weis [1992:238] 262-26.2 Herbert FitzHenry of Winchester was also known as Herbert fitz Alberic of Winchester.7,8,9,10

Family

Emma "bâtarde de Blois" (?) of Blois b. b 1102
Children

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#HerbertChamberlain. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 262-26, p. 238. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emma de Blois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00284741&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#EmmaMHerbertFitzHenry
  5. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_of_Winchester. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  6. [S2286] Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online http://oxforddnb.com/index/, William of York [St William of York, William fitz Herbert]: https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-9606?rskey=Ukaz45&result=15. Hereinafter cited as ODNB - Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
  7. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 32, BLOIS 6:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  8. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 95, Fitz PIERS 1.
  9. [S1629] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 April 2004: "CP Addition: Ancestry of the Lords Botreaux"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Apr 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 April 2004."
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Blois-Champagne.pdf, p. 5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  11. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 95, Fitz PIERS 1:ii.

Sir Robert de St. John of Basing, co. Hampshire1

M, #10437, d. before 26 March 1266
FatherWilliam de St. John1,2 d. 1239
MotherGodeheut de Tosny1 d. a 1243
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited24 May 2020
     Sir Robert de St. John of Basing, co. Hampshire married Agnes de Cantelou, daughter of William (II) de Cantelou of Calne, co. Wilts and Melisende/Millicent de Gournay Countess of Evreux,
;
her 1st husband.3,1,4
Sir Robert de St. John of Basing, co. Hampshire died before 26 March 1266; Weis [AR7] says d. 1269; Ravilious says d. bef 26 Mar 1266.3,1
     EDV-22.

Family

Agnes de Cantelou d. a 1279
Child

Citations

  1. [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004: "Possible Identification of Juliana, wife of Robert de Chaucombe"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ) to e-mail address, 13 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 May 2004."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de St. John: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00439386&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 262-30, p. 238. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Canteloup: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00439390&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John de St.John, of Basing: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075123&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm#AgnesStJohndied1345. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Agnes de Cantelou1

F, #10438, d. after 1279
FatherWilliam (II) de Cantelou of Calne, co. Wilts1,2,3,4 b. c 1185, d. bt 22 Feb 1250 - 1251
MotherMelisende/Millicent de Gournay Countess of Evreux1,3,5 d. 1260
ReferenceEDV20
Last Edited24 May 2020
     Agnes de Cantelou married Sir Robert de St. John of Basing, co. Hampshire, son of William de St. John and Godeheut de Tosny,
;
her 1st husband.6,1,3 Agnes de Cantelou married John de Turville before 4 June 1271
;
her 2nd husband.7,3
Agnes de Cantelou died after 1279.3
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. XI 323
     2. Ancestral Story - Grace Viell 2009 , Fettes, Ian Dundas. nr 496.3

; 1.1a.3 Agnes de Cantelou
parentage as documented in the Boxgrove Stemma Funditoris (cf. CP Vol XI [St. John], p. 323 and 323n[4])

Spouse: Robert de Saint John
Death: bef 26 Mar 1266[4]
Father: William de Saint John (ca1181-1239)
Mother: Godeheut de Tosny (?) (->1243)

Children: John (-<1302)
SOURCES
4. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage,"
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain
and the United Kingdom.1
EDV-20.

Family 1

Sir Robert de St. John of Basing, co. Hampshire d. b 26 Mar 1266
Child

Family 2

John de Turville

Citations

  1. [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004: "Possible Identification of Juliana, wife of Robert de Chaucombe"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ) to e-mail address, 13 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 May 2004."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Canteloup: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199027&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Canteloup: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00439390&tree=LEO
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 47, de CANTELOU 3:vi. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Melisende de Gournay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199028&tree=LEO
  6. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 262-30, p. 238. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John de Turville: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00439391&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John de St.John, of Basing: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075123&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm#AgnesStJohndied1345. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Sir Reginald (Reynold) Fitz Piers Lord of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock1

M, #10439, b. 1208, d. 5 May 1285
FatherPeter (Piers) Fitz Herbert Lord of Blaen Llyfni1,2 b. b 1203, d. 1 Jun 1235
MotherAlice de Warkworth
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Sir Reginald (Reynold) Fitz Piers Lord of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock married Alice/Amice de Stanford of Stanford Dingley, co. Berks
;
His 1st wife.3,1,2 Sir Reginald (Reynold) Fitz Piers Lord of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock was born in 1208 at Blaen Llyfni, Brecknockshire, Wales, England.2 He married Joan de Vivonia Lady of Chewton, daughter of William de Fortibus (Le Fort) de Vivonia Lord of Chewton, Somerset and Maud (Matilda) de Ferrers Vicomtesse de Rochechouart, circa 1274.4,5,2

Sir Reginald (Reynold) Fitz Piers Lord of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock died on 5 May 1285; Weis says d. circa 05 May 1286; Genealogics says d. 4 May 1286.3,1,2
     He was Constable of Winchester Castle.6

Reference: Genealogicss cites:
     1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. XI 325
     2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter. 238
     3. Ancestral Story - Grace Viell 2009 , Fettes, Ian Dundas. nr 498.2 EDV-22 GKJ-24. Sir Reginald (Reynold) Fitz Piers Lord of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock was also known as Sir Reynold fitz Peter Knt., of Wolverton, co. Hants.7

; This is the same person as Reginald FitzPiers at Wikipedia.8 He was Sheriff of Hampshire.6

Family 1

Alice/Amice de Stanford of Stanford Dingley, co. Berks d. a 1264
Children

Family 2

Joan de Vivonia Lady of Chewton b. 1251, d. 1 Jun 1314
Child

Citations

  1. [S1820] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 22 Oct 2004 "Stanton FitzWarren, co. Wilts. and the Descendants of Sibyl Corbet"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 Oct 2004."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Reynold FitzPiers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075125&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 262-30, p. 238. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 122-32, p. 111.
  5. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 96, Fitz PIERS 4:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  6. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 261-32, p. 235.
  7. [S1544] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson 13 Dec 2003 email "Re: Ancestry of John Bluet, of Raglan"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Dec 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 13 Dec 2003."
  8. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_FitzPiers. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleanor: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00125472&tree=LEO
  10. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), p. 54. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice FitzPiers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075124&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#AliceMJohnStJohn. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Alice/Amice de Stanford of Stanford Dingley, co. Berks1

F, #10440, d. after 1264
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Alice/Amice de Stanford of Stanford Dingley, co. Berks married Sir Reginald (Reynold) Fitz Piers Lord of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock, son of Peter (Piers) Fitz Herbert Lord of Blaen Llyfni and Alice de Warkworth,
;
His 1st wife.2,3,4
Alice/Amice de Stanford of Stanford Dingley, co. Berks died after 1264.2
     EDV-22.

Family

Sir Reginald (Reynold) Fitz Piers Lord of Blaen Llyfni, co. Brecknock b. 1208, d. 5 May 1285
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 96, Fitz PIERS 4:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 262-30, p. 238. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1820] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 22 Oct 2004 "Stanton FitzWarren, co. Wilts. and the Descendants of Sibyl Corbet"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 Oct 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 Oct 2004."
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Reynold FitzPiers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075125&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1544] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson 13 Dec 2003 email "Re: Ancestry of John Bluet, of Raglan"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Dec 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 13 Dec 2003."
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Katherine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00425299&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleanor: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00125472&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice FitzPiers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075124&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#AliceMJohnStJohn. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.