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     Walter de Berkeley Chamberlain of Scotland married Eve Fitz Uchtred of Galloway, daughter of Uchtred (?) Lord of Galloway and Gunnild (?) of Dunbar, after 1200
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Her 2nd husband.^1,2,3
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ALTER de Berkeley ). "…Waltero de Berkele…" witnessed the undated charter under which William King of Scotland donated property "de Pednewem et de Amestroder" to the priory of the Isle of May[31]. "…Waltero de Berchele camerario…" witnessed the undated charter under which William King of Scotland confirmed the freedoms of the priory of the Isle of May[32]. "…Waltero de Berchelai camerario…" subscribed the under charter under which William King of Scotland confirmed toftis of Kinloss, recorded in a charter dated 1355[33]. "…Willo de Lindes…Walt de Berk, Rob de Berk, Henrico de Graham" witnessed the undated charter under which William King of Scotland confirmed a donation to Melrose abbey by "Alanus filius Walteri dapifer eisdem monarch"[34].
     "m (after [1200]) as her second husband, EVA, widow of ROBERT de Quincy, daughter of ---. "Eua quondam uxor Roberti de Quinci" donated property "de Edmundesten" to Melrose abbey, for the souls of "dominorum meorum Robti de Quinci et Walteri de Berkeley et Rolandi fratris mei et Johis filii mei et Christine sororis mee", to Melrose abbey by undated charter[35]. Eva was the sister of Christine, wife of William de Brus of Annandale (see the document SCOTLAND KINGS) and second wife of Patrick Earl of Dunbar (see SCOTLAND, MORMAERS, EARLS & LORDS)."
Med Lands cites:

     Robert de Quincy was born say 1168.¹
Robert de Quincy died before 1232.¹

     (?) de Quincy married (?) St. Andrews.¹

     (?) de Quincy died; died young.¹

     Sir William de Valognes of Panmure, co. Forfar, Earl of Essex married Lorette de Quincy, daughter of Saher IV de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester and Margaret/Marguerite 'fitzPernel' de Beaumont.^1,2,4

Sir William de Valognes of Panmure, co. Forfar, Earl of Essex died in 1219 at Kelso, Scotland.^1,2,4
     He was Chamberlain of Scotland.^2,4

; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.²

     Eleanor/Alianore de Ferrers married William de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset, son of Sir Oliver de Vaux and Petronilla Croun,
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Her 1st husband.^{1,4,2,6,3,5,7,8,9} Eleanor/Alianore de Ferrers was born in 1232 at Derby, Derby Unitary Authority, Derbyshire, England.¹⁰ She married Roger de Quincy 2nd Earl of Winchester, son of Saher IV de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester and Margaret/Marguerite 'fitzPernel' de Beaumont, before 5 December 1252
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Her 2nd husband, his 3rd wife.^{1,4,2,11,12,13,3,5} Eleanor/Alianore de Ferrers married Sir Roger de Leyburn of Elham, son of Sir Robert de Leyburn of Leybourne, Kent and Eleanor de Thurnham, before 8 September 1267
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Her 3rd husband, his 2nd wife.^{1,4,2,3,5,14,9}
Eleanor/Alianore de Ferrers died before 26 October 1274 at Elham, Shepway District, co. Kent, England.^1,4,3,5,10
Eleanor/Alianore de Ferrers was buried circa 26 October 1274 at Leeds Priory, Leeds, Maidstone Borough, co. Kent, England; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1232, Derby, Derby Unitary Authority, Derbyshire, England
     DEATH     26 Oct 1274 (aged 41–42), Elham, Shepway District, Kent, England
     Eleanor was the daughter of William de Ferrieres (De Ferrers), Earl of Derby, by his 1st wife, Sybil Marshal, 3rd daughter and coheir of William (MARSHAL), Earl of Pembroke, sister of Walter, 8th Earl of Pembroke. Eleanor was the widow, 1stly, of William De Vaux and, 2ndly, of Roger De Quincy, Earl of Winchester, and he died circa October 1271, being still alive in the middle of that month. Dower was assigned to his widow on November 2, 1271. She died before 26 October 1274, and was buried at Leeds Priory
     Family Members
     Parents
          William de Ferrers 1193–1254
          Sibyl Marshal 1201–1245
     Spouse
          Roger De Leybourne 1215–1271
     Siblings
          Agnes de Ferrieres 1224–1290
          Isabelle de Ferrers 1226–1260
          Maud "Matilda" de Ferrers Rochechouart 1230–1298
          Joan de Ferrers 1233–1267
     Half Siblings
          Joan Ferrers Berkeley unknown–1309
          Robert de Ferrers 1239–1279
          William de Ferrers 1240–1288
          Elizabeth Marshall De Ferrer Gruffydd 1240–1297
     BURIAL     Leeds Priory, Leeds, Maidstone Borough, Kent, England
     Created by: Mad
     Added: 7 Mar 2012
     Find a Grave Memorial 86384416.^3,5,10
     ; Per ODNB: "Roger himself married three times: first Helen, eldest daughter of Alan, lord of Galloway and constable of Scotland; second Maud, daughter of Humphrey (IV) de Bohun, earl of Hereford (d. 1275); and third Eleanor, daughter by his first marriage of William de Ferrers, earl of Derby, by whom he was survived."¹⁵
; Per Med Lands:
     "ROGER de Quincy (-25 Apr 1264, bur [Brackley]). "Seyerus de Quinci comes Wintonie" donated revenue from "molendino meo de Locres" to St Andrew´s priory, with the consent of "Rogeri filii et heredis mei", by undated charter, dated to [1217/18], witnessed by "Rogero de Quinci herede meo, Simone de Quinci persona de Louchres, Patricio filio Nesii…Simonis de Quinci"[76]. "Rogerus de Quinci filius Seyeri comitis Wintonie" confirmed his father´s donation of a mill to St Andrew´s priory by undated charter, dated to [1217/18], witnessed by "Dño Seyero patre meo comite Wintonie, Symone de Quinci persona de Louchres, Patricio filio Nesii…Gilleberto clerico, Symonis de Quinci, Henrico clerico, Symonis de Quinci"[77]. He succeeded his father in 1219 as Earl of Winchester, but was not recognised as such until after his mother's death[78]. "Rogerius de Quinci" confirmed donations of land "in territorio de Gasc", where the men of "domini patris mei comitis Wintonie" pastured animals, to Inchaffray Abbey by charter dated to [1220], witnessed by "Gilberto comite de Stratherne, Roberto et Fergus filiis suis…"[79]. He succeeded his father-in-law in 1234 as hereditary Constable of Scotland, de iure uxoris. "Rogerus de Quency constabularius Scocie et Elena uxor eius filia quondam Alani de Galweya" recognised the rights of the church of Glasgow to "villam de Edeluestune" by undated charter[80]. "Rogerus de Quincy" donated "boscum nostrum de Gleddiswod" to Dryburgh monastery, for the souls of "nostre et Alyenore sponse mee et…Alani de Galwythya et Helene filie sue quondam sponse nostro", by undated charter[81]. John of Fordun´s Scotichronicon (Continuator) records the death in 1264 of "Rogerus de Quinci comes Wincestriæ"[82]. An undated writ "48 Hen III", after the death of "Roger de Quency earl of Winchester", records that he died "on the day of St Mark the Evangelist" and names "Henry de Lascy aged 14 on the day of the Epiphany next, is his heir"[83]. Another writ dated 2 Nov "55 Hen III", after the death of "Roger de Quency alias de Quinsy sometime earl of Winchester", records further details about his landholdings[84]. His earldom reverted to the crown on his death.
     "m firstly ([before 1223]) ELLEN of Galloway, daughter of ALAN Lord of Galloway & his first wife --- de Lacy ([before 1205]-after 21 Nov 1245, bur Brackley). The Annales Londonienses name "Eleyn countesse de Wynton" as eldest of the three daughters of "la primere fille Davi" and "Aleyn de Gavei", naming "Margarete countesse de Ferreres et Eleyne la Zusche et la countesse de Bougham" as her three daughters[85]. Earl Roger's first marriage with the daughter of Alan of Galloway is recorded by Matthew Paris[86]. The Liber Pluscardensis records that the eldest daughter of "Alanus de Galway filius Rotholandi de Galway" married "Rogerus de Quinci comes Wintoniæ"[87]. The identity of Ellen’s mother as her father’s first wife is confirmed by her husband Roger de Quincy holding Kippax (linked to Alan’s first wife as shown above)[88]. Ellen’s birth and marriage dates are estimated from her daughter who married in [1238] having given birth soon after that marriage. "Elena quondam filia Alani de Galeweya" donated "villam de Edeluestune" to the church of Glasgow by undated charter[89]. "Rogerus de Quency constabularius Scocie et Elena uxor eius filia quondam Alani de Galweya" recognised the rights of the church of Glasgow to "villam de Edeluestune" by undated charter[90].
     "m secondly (before 5 Jun 1250) as her second husband, MATILDA de Bohun, widow of ANSELM Marshal Earl of Pembroke, daughter of HUMPHREY de Bohun Earl of Hereford and Essex & his wife Mathilde de Lusignan (-Groby, Lincolnshire 20 Oct 1252, bur Brackley80). A charter dated 19 Jan 1246 mandates the grant to "Matilda who was the wife of Anselm Marshall…[of] 60 librates of land in Ireland, for her maintenance until the king shall cause her dower to be assigned to her out of Anselm´s lands"[91]. Her death is recorded by Matthew Paris, who states that she was daughter of the Earl of Hereford but does not give her own name, that she was her husband's second wife[92].
     "m thirdly (before 5 Dec 1252) as her second husband, ELEANOR Ferrers, widow of WILLIAM de Vaux, daughter of WILLIAM de Ferrers Earl of Derby & his first wife Sibyl Marshal of Pembroke (-before 20 Oct 1274, bur Leeds Priory). The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names "Agnes, secunda Isabella, tertia Matilda, quarta Sibilla, quinta Johanna, sexta Alianora, septima Agatha" as the seven daughters of "Willielmo de Ferrers comiti Derbiæ" and his wife "quarta filia…Willihelmi Marescalli…Sibilla", adding that "Alianora sexta filia" was "comitissa de Wintonia" and died childless[93]. A charter dated 26 May 1250 records the restoration of property, granted to "Margaret Countess of Lincoln", to "William de Vescy and Agnes his wife, Reginald de Moun and Isabel his wife, William de Fortibus and Matilda his wife, Francis de Boun and Sibil his wife, William de Vallibus and Alienor his wife, John de Moun and Joan his wife, Agatha de Ferrers in the king´s custody, Roger de Mortimer and Matilda his wife, and William de Cantilupe and Eva his wife"[94]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the Annals of Ireland which record that “Sibilla comitissa de Ferreys” had seven daughters (in order) “quinta, Elianora de Varis, quæ fuit uxor comitis Wintonie…”[95]. Matthew Paris records her husband's remarriage soon after the death of his second wife, but does not name his third wife[96]. "Rogerus de Quincy" donated "boscum nostrum de Gleddiswod" to Dryburgh monastery, for the souls of "nostre et Alyenore sponse mee et…Alani de Galwythya et Helene filie sue quondam sponse nostro", by undated charter[97]. She married thirdly (1267) as his second wife, Roger de Leyburn. King Edward I ordered the the escheator of Ireland to take all the lands of the deceased "Alianora widow of Roger de Quency earl of Winchester" into the hands of the king by charter dated 25 Oct 1274[98]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Quincy): “2) Roger de Quincy ° ~ 1195 (Buckley ou Winchester) + 25/04/1264 (Brackley, Ecosse ou Terre Sainte, croisé ?), 2ème earl of Winchester, Connétable d’Ecosse
     ép. 1) ~1228 (ou 1214 ?) Helen Nicalan of Galloway ° ~1200 (Carrick, Ecosse) + ~21/11/1245 (Brackley) (fille d’Alan Mac Donald, Lord of Galloway et de Ragnhild Reginaldsdottir (alias Hilda ou Helen de Lisle)
     ép. 2) Maud, comtesse de Pembroke ° ~1180 (Chester) + 1242/43 (fille d’Humphrey de Bohun et d’Alienor de Braose)
     ép. 3) Alienor Ferrers (fille de William et d’Agnès de Meschines) ”.¹³

Reference: Genealgoics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. 12:751/753.³

; Per Med Lands:
     "ELEANOR (-before 25 Oct 1274, bur Leeds Priory). The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names "Agnes, secunda Isabella, tertia Matilda, quarta Sibilla, quinta Johanna, sexta Alianora, septima Agatha" as the seven daughters of "Willielmo de Ferrers comiti Derbiæ" and his wife "quarta filia…Willihelmi Marescalli…Sibilla", adding that "Alianora sexta filia" was "comitissa de Wintonia" and died childless[382]. A charter dated 28 Jun 1248 records that "Margaret late Countess of Lincoln…recovered her dower out of the lands in Ireland of W[alter] Marshall late Earl of Pembroke her husband" and that the dower was "taken out of the portions of the inheritance which accrued to William de Vescy and Agnes his wife, Reginald de Moun and Isabel his wife, Matilda de Kyme, Francis de Boun and Sibil his wife, William de Vallibus and Alienor his wife, John de Moun and Joan his wife, Agatha de Ferrers in the king’s custody, and Roger de Mortimer and Matilda his wife"[383]. A charter dated 26 May 1250 records the restoration of property, granted to "Margaret Countess of Lincoln", to "William de Vescy and Agnes his wife, Reginald de Moun and Isabel his wife, William de Fortibus and Matilda his wife, Francis de Boun and Sibil his wife, William de Vallibus and Alienor his wife, John de Moun and Joan his wife, Agatha de Ferrers in the king’s custody, Roger de Mortimer and Matilda his wife, and William de Cantilupe and Eva his wife"[384]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the Annals of Ireland which record that “Sibilla comitissa de Ferreys” had seven daughters (in order) “quinta, Elianora de Varis, quæ fuit uxor comitis Wintonie…”[385]. Matthew Paris records her (second) husband's remarriage soon after the death of his second wife, but does not name his third wife[386]. King Edward I ordered the the escheator of Ireland to take all the lands of the deceased "Alianora widow of Roger de Quency earl of Winchester" into the hands of the king by charter dated 25 Oct 1274[387].
     "m firstly WILLIAM de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset, son of --- (-before 14 Sep 1252). The executors of the will of "William de Vallibus formerly husband of Alienor de Ferrers, one of the heirs of W[alter] Marshall late Earl of Pembroke" requested restoration of his part of the inheritance by charter dated 9 May 1251[388].
     "m secondly (before 5 Dec 1252) as his third wife, ROGER de Quincy Earl of Winchester, son of SAHER de Quincy Earl of Winchester & his wife Margaret of Leicester (-25 Apr 1264, bur [Brackley]).
     "m thirdly (before 8 Sep 1267) as his second wife, ROGER de Leyburn of Elham, son of ROGER de Leyburn & his wife Eleanor de Thurnham (-[Oct] 1271)."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Ferrers): “1) Eleanor de Ferrers + ~26/10/1274
     ép. 1) William de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset + avant 05/12/1252
     ép. 2) Roger de Quincy earl of Winchester + 25/04/1264
     ép. 3) avant 09/1267 Roger de Leybourne of Eltham + ~10/1271”.⁹

; Per Med Lands:
     "WILLIAM de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset (-before 9 May 1251). The executors of the will of "William de Vallibus formerly husband of Alienor de Ferrers, one of the heirs of W[alter] Marshall late Earl of Pembroke" requested restoration of his part of the inheritance by charter dated 9 May 1251[528].
     "m (before 5 Dec 1252) as her first husband, ELEANOR Ferrers, daughter of WILLIAM de Ferrers Earl of Derby & his first wife Sibyl Marshal of Pembroke (-before 20 Oct 1274, bur Leeds Priory). The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names "Agnes, secunda Isabella, tertia Matilda, quarta Sibilla, quinta Johanna, sexta Alianora, septima Agatha" as the seven daughters of "Willielmo de Ferrers comiti Derbiæ" and his wife "quarta filia…Willihelmi Marescalli…Sibilla", adding that "Alianora sexta filia" was "comitissa de Wintonia" and died childless[529]. A charter dated 26 May 1250 records the restoration of property, granted to "Margaret Countess of Lincoln", to "William de Vescy and Agnes his wife, Reginald de Moun and Isabel his wife, William de Fortibus and Matilda his wife, Francis de Boun and Sibil his wife, William de Vallibus and Alienor his wife, John de Moun and Joan his wife, Agatha de Ferrers in the king’s custody, Roger de Mortimer and Matilda his wife, and William de Cantilupe and Eva his wife"[530]. She married secondly (before 5 Dec 1252) as his third wife, Roger de Quincy Earl of Winchester. Her second marriage is confirmed by the Annals of Ireland which record that “Sibilla comitissa de Ferreys” had seven daughters (in order) “quinta, Elianora de Varis, quæ fuit uxor comitis Wintonie…”[531]. Matthew Paris records her husband's remarriage soon after the death of his second wife, but does not name his third wife[532]. "Rogerus de Quincy" donated "boscum nostrum de Gleddiswod" to Dryburgh monastery, for the souls of "nostre et Alyenore sponse mee et…Alani de Galwythya et Helene filie sue quondam sponse nostro", by undated charter[533]. She married thirdly (1267) as his second wife, Roger de Leyburn. King Edward I ordered the the escheator of Ireland to take all the lands of the deceased "Alianora widow of Roger de Quency earl of Winchester" into the hands of the king by charter dated 25 Oct 1274[534]."
Med Lands cites:

     William de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset married Eleanor/Alianore de Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers 5th Earl of Derby, 1st Earl of Westmoreland and Sybil Marshall,
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Her 1st husband.^{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}
William de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset died on 5 December 1252; Burke's Peerage says "dsp 5 Dec 1252"; Boyer says d. 14 Sep 1252; Racines et Histoires says d. 05 Dec 1252; Med Lands says d. bef 9 May 1251.^1,2,8,9
      ; Per Racines et Histoire (Ferrers): “1) Eleanor de Ferrers + ~26/10/1274
     ép. 1) William de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset + avant 05/12/1252
     ép. 2) Roger de Quincy earl of Winchester + 25/04/1264
     ép. 3) avant 09/1267 Roger de Leybourne of Eltham + ~10/1271”.⁹

Reference: Genealgoics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. 12:753.⁷

; Per Burke's: "William, of Tharston and Wisset; m Alianore (d 26 Oct 1274, having m 2nd, as his 3rd w, Roger de Quency, Earl of Winchester (see WINCHESTER, M, preliminary remarks) and 3rd, as his 2nd w, Roger de Leyburne, of Elham), 7th and yst dau of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (qv, preliminary remarks) of the 1138 cr, and dsp 5 Dec 1252”.²

; Per Med Lands:
     "WILLIAM de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset (-before 9 May 1251). The executors of the will of "William de Vallibus formerly husband of Alienor de Ferrers, one of the heirs of W[alter] Marshall late Earl of Pembroke" requested restoration of his part of the inheritance by charter dated 9 May 1251[528].
     "m (before 5 Dec 1252) as her first husband, ELEANOR Ferrers, daughter of WILLIAM de Ferrers Earl of Derby & his first wife Sibyl Marshal of Pembroke (-before 20 Oct 1274, bur Leeds Priory). The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names "Agnes, secunda Isabella, tertia Matilda, quarta Sibilla, quinta Johanna, sexta Alianora, septima Agatha" as the seven daughters of "Willielmo de Ferrers comiti Derbiæ" and his wife "quarta filia…Willihelmi Marescalli…Sibilla", adding that "Alianora sexta filia" was "comitissa de Wintonia" and died childless[529]. A charter dated 26 May 1250 records the restoration of property, granted to "Margaret Countess of Lincoln", to "William de Vescy and Agnes his wife, Reginald de Moun and Isabel his wife, William de Fortibus and Matilda his wife, Francis de Boun and Sibil his wife, William de Vallibus and Alienor his wife, John de Moun and Joan his wife, Agatha de Ferrers in the king’s custody, Roger de Mortimer and Matilda his wife, and William de Cantilupe and Eva his wife"[530]. She married secondly (before 5 Dec 1252) as his third wife, Roger de Quincy Earl of Winchester. Her second marriage is confirmed by the Annals of Ireland which record that “Sibilla comitissa de Ferreys” had seven daughters (in order) “quinta, Elianora de Varis, quæ fuit uxor comitis Wintonie…”[531]. Matthew Paris records her husband's remarriage soon after the death of his second wife, but does not name his third wife[532]. "Rogerus de Quincy" donated "boscum nostrum de Gleddiswod" to Dryburgh monastery, for the souls of "nostre et Alyenore sponse mee et…Alani de Galwythya et Helene filie sue quondam sponse nostro", by undated charter[533]. She married thirdly (1267) as his second wife, Roger de Leyburn. King Edward I ordered the the escheator of Ireland to take all the lands of the deceased "Alianora widow of Roger de Quency earl of Winchester" into the hands of the king by charter dated 25 Oct 1274[534]."
Med Lands cites:

     Sir Roger de Leyburn of Elham married Unknown (?)
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His 1st wife.⁶ Sir Roger de Leyburn of Elham was born circa 1215.^7,5 He married Eleanor/Alianore de Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers 5th Earl of Derby, 1st Earl of Westmoreland and Sybil Marshall, before 8 September 1267
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Her 3rd husband, his 2nd wife.^{1,2,8,9,4,3,10}
Sir Roger de Leyburn of Elham died circa October 1271.^1,3
Sir Roger de Leyburn of Elham was buried circa October 1271 at St Peter and St Paul Churchyard, Leybourne, Tonbridge and Malling Borough, co. Kent, England; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1215
     DEATH     1271 (aged 55–56)
     British soldier and landowner. In 1257 he served in the army of Lord Edward as part of his campaign in Wales, and became part of an influential group of his supporters. He joined Edward in 1259 when he allied with Simon de Montfort, and was made custodian of Bristol Castle in November. He was part of Edward's retinue in 1260 when he and the Earl of Gloucester attempted to take London, and was one of those pardoned when Edward patched up his relationship with Henry III. In 1263 along with other Marcher Lords, he arrested Peter of Aigueblanche, Bishop of Hertford, and seized Hereford, Gloucester, and Bristol, returning south to assault Windsor Castle. They were joined by Simon de Montfort, beginning the Second Barons' War. In October 1263 he was one of those who sealed the agreement between Henry and Louis IX, and travelled with the king to France at the end of the year.
     Family Members
     Spouse
          Eleanor de Ferrieres 1232–1274
     BURIAL     St Peter and St Paul Churchyard, Leybourne, Tonbridge and Malling Borough, Kent, England
     Created by: julia&keld
     Added: 24 Dec 2009
     Find a Grave Memorial 45769304.¹¹
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ELEANOR (-before 25 Oct 1274, bur Leeds Priory). The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names "Agnes, secunda Isabella, tertia Matilda, quarta Sibilla, quinta Johanna, sexta Alianora, septima Agatha" as the seven daughters of "Willielmo de Ferrers comiti Derbiæ" and his wife "quarta filia…Willihelmi Marescalli…Sibilla", adding that "Alianora sexta filia" was "comitissa de Wintonia" and died childless[382]. A charter dated 28 Jun 1248 records that "Margaret late Countess of Lincoln…recovered her dower out of the lands in Ireland of W[alter] Marshall late Earl of Pembroke her husband" and that the dower was "taken out of the portions of the inheritance which accrued to William de Vescy and Agnes his wife, Reginald de Moun and Isabel his wife, Matilda de Kyme, Francis de Boun and Sibil his wife, William de Vallibus and Alienor his wife, John de Moun and Joan his wife, Agatha de Ferrers in the king’s custody, and Roger de Mortimer and Matilda his wife"[383]. A charter dated 26 May 1250 records the restoration of property, granted to "Margaret Countess of Lincoln", to "William de Vescy and Agnes his wife, Reginald de Moun and Isabel his wife, William de Fortibus and Matilda his wife, Francis de Boun and Sibil his wife, William de Vallibus and Alienor his wife, John de Moun and Joan his wife, Agatha de Ferrers in the king’s custody, Roger de Mortimer and Matilda his wife, and William de Cantilupe and Eva his wife"[384]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the Annals of Ireland which record that “Sibilla comitissa de Ferreys” had seven daughters (in order) “quinta, Elianora de Varis, quæ fuit uxor comitis Wintonie…”[385]. Matthew Paris records her (second) husband's remarriage soon after the death of his second wife, but does not name his third wife[386]. King Edward I ordered the the escheator of Ireland to take all the lands of the deceased "Alianora widow of Roger de Quency earl of Winchester" into the hands of the king by charter dated 25 Oct 1274[387].
     "m firstly WILLIAM de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset, son of --- (-before 14 Sep 1252). The executors of the will of "William de Vallibus formerly husband of Alienor de Ferrers, one of the heirs of W[alter] Marshall late Earl of Pembroke" requested restoration of his part of the inheritance by charter dated 9 May 1251[388].
     "m secondly (before 5 Dec 1252) as his third wife, ROGER de Quincy Earl of Winchester, son of SAHER de Quincy Earl of Winchester & his wife Margaret of Leicester (-25 Apr 1264, bur [Brackley]).
     "m thirdly (before 8 Sep 1267) as his second wife, ROGER de Leyburn of Elham, son of ROGER de Leyburn & his wife Eleanor de Thurnham (-[Oct] 1271)."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Ferrers): “1) Eleanor de Ferrers + ~26/10/1274
     ép. 1) William de Vaux of Tharston and Wisset + avant 05/12/1252
     ép. 2) Roger de Quincy earl of Winchester + 25/04/1264
     ép. 3) avant 09/1267 Roger de Leybourne of Eltham + ~10/1271”.¹⁰

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. 7:631-4; 12:753.³ Sir Roger de Leyburn of Elham was also known as Roger de Leybourne of Eltham. GAV-24.

; This is the same person as ”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Leybourne” at Wikipedia.


This is also the same person as ”Leybourne [Leyburn], Sir Roger of” at the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.^7,5 He was High Sheriff of Kent in 1263 at co. Kent, England. He was Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports between 1263 and 1264.^7,12 He was Lieutenant of Gascony
See attached map of Gascony (from Wikipedia: By Larrousiney - Wikipedia fr, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=1376244) in 1264.¹³ He was High Sheriff of Cumberland in 1265 at co. Cumberland, England.⁷

     Isabel de Quincy was born circa 1224.¹ She married Hugh Neville in 1241.¹

      ; Boyer (2001, p. 211, de QUINCY 4:iv): "at thie time the names Isabel and Elizabeth were essentially the same, and this could be a reference to [the other daughter] Elizabeth."¹

     Hugh Neville married Isabel de Quincy, daughter of Roger de Quincy 2nd Earl of Winchester and Ellen/Helen (?) of Galloway, in 1241.¹

     Gwladus ferch Gruffud married Rhys Ieuanc ap Rhys Mechyll, son of Rhys Mechyll ap Rhys Gryg Lord of Ystrad Tywi and Dynefor, Wales and Matilda (Maud) de Braiose.¹

     Rhys Ieuanc ap Rhys Mechyll married Gwladus ferch Gruffud, daughter of Gruffydd ap Llewellyn and Senena (?).¹

Rhys Ieuanc ap Rhys Mechyll died in 1271.¹

     Lleucu ferch Gruffydd ap Rhys married Geoffrey de Camville, son of William de Camville of Seckington, co. Warwick and Aubrey/Auberee Marmion.^1,3,2

     Lleucu ferch Gruffydd ap Rhys was also known as Lucy.³ GAV-25 GKJ-24.

     Geoffrey de Camville married Lleucu ferch Gruffydd ap Rhys, daughter of Gruffydd ab Yr Arglwydd Rhys Prince of Deheubarth and Matilda de Braiose.^1,5,2

Geoffrey de Camville died in 1219.²
     GAV-25 GKJ-24.

; Monday, 3 January, 2005 Dear Douglas, Yet another interesting find - many thanks, yet again. I wonder
if you have a chance to Leucha the Mohaut family, perhaps that missing
connection (wife of ) might yet be resolved.

Re: the descents from Geoffrey de Camville and his wife Lleucu,
following is a pedigree giving the descent from same to the emigrant
Jane Lowe and her family. A few more emigres to add to your list.....

Cheers,

John


1 Geoffrey de Camville
----------------------------------------
Death:     1219[1]
Father:     William de Camville
Mother:     Aubree Marmion (->1232)

of Clifton, co. Stafford[1]

Spouse:     Leuca[1]
Death:     1236[1]

Children:     William (-1260)

Other Spouses NN


1.1 William de Camville
----------------------------------------
Death:     1260[1]

of Clifton Campville, co. Stafford, Llanstephan, co. Carmarthen,
Fedamore, co. Limerick and Caher, co. Tipperary[1]
2nd son
the lands of Clifton , disputed with half-brother Richard, adjudged to
him; received quitclaim of Llanstephan, co. Carmarthen from
grandmother
Aubree, 1228[1]

Spouse:     Lucy[1]
Death:     aft 14 Aug 1284[1]

Children:     Geoffrey (-<1308)


1.1.1 Geoffrey de Camville
----------------------------------------
Death:     bef 21 Sep 1308[1]
Occ:     Lord Camville

of Clifton Campville, co. Stafford & c.
summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 3 Nov 1306 by writs
directed
'Galfrido de Camvilla', whereby held to have become Lord Camville[1]

had custody of Blagdon, Somerset (restored to stepson William Martin on
his death, 1308(Sanders, p. 15)[2]

Spouse:     Maud de Brian
Birth:     25 Dec 1242[1]
Death:     bef 1280[1]
Father:     Guy de Brian
Mother:     Eve de Tracy

Children:     William (<1268-<1338)


1.1.1.1 William de Camville
----------------------------------------
Birth:     bef 26 Oct 1268[1]
Death:     bef 27 Jul 1338[1]
Occ:     Lord Camville

of Clifton Campville, co. Stafford, Llanstephan, co. Carmarthen,
Fedamore, co. Limerick and Caher, co. Tipperary
2nd Lord Camville
summoned to Parliament from 4 Mar 1308/09 to 16 Jun 1311[1]

Children:     Maud (->1338)


1.1.1.1.1 Maud de Camville[1]
----------------------------------------
Death:     aft 27 Jul 1338[1]

one of 5 daughters and coheiresses[1]

Spouse:     Richard de Vernon
Death:     bef 3 Jun 1323[1]
Father:     Sir Richard de Vernon (->1323)

Children:     Sir William (-<1378)


1.1.1.1.1.1 Sir William de Vernon
----------------------------------------
Death:     bef 29 Sep 1378[4]

of Haddon and Harleston, co. Derby
succeeded his grandfather[4], noted also in CP Vol III (Camville),
pp. 4-5[1]

Spouse:     Margaret de Stopford[4]
Father:     Robert de Stopford

Children:     Sir Richard (-1376)


1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Sir Richard de Vernon
----------------------------------------
Death:     1376[5]

of Haddon and Harleston, co. Derbys.[4]

Spouse:     Juliana de Pembrugge[4]
Birth:     ca 1348[5]
Death:     bef May 1409[5]
Father:     Roger de Pembrugge (-<1364)
Mother:     Juliana

Children:     Sir Richard (ca1367-ca1400)


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Sir Richard Vernon
----------------------------------------
Birth:     ca 1367[5]
Death:     ca 1400[4]

of Haddon and Harleston, co. Derbys.

Spouse:     Joan Griffith
Birth:     bef 1372[6]
Father:     Sir Rhys ap Griffith (-1380)
Mother:     Elizabeth de Stackpole (-<1377)

Children:     Sir Richard (ca1394-<1451)


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Sir Richard Vernon
----------------------------------------
Birth:     ca 1394[4]
Death:     bef 23 Aug 1451[5]

of Ayleston, co. Leics., and Tong, co. Salop
Speaker of the Parliament (Leicester) 1425/26
Sheriff of Derby 1425; M.P. for Derbyshire[4]

Spouse:     Benedicta Ludlowe
Father:     Sir John Ludlowe

Children:     Agnes


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Agnes Vernon
----------------------------------------
Burial:     Ashbourne, co. Derbys.[7]

Spouse:     John Cokayne
Birth:     ca 1422[7]
Death:     ca 1505[4],[7]
Father:     Sir John Cokayne (-1438)
Mother:     Isabel Shirley (->1459)

Children:     Thomas (-1488)
Roger
Beatrice


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Thomas Cokayne
----------------------------------------
Death:     1488, slain at Pooley Park, co. Derbys. (d.v.p.)[7]

of Ashbourne and Pooley, co. Derby
heir apparent of his father

Spouse:     Agnes Barlow
Father:     Robert Barlow
Mother:     Margaret Delves

Children:     Sir Thomas (ca1479->1537)


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Sir Thomas Cokayne
----------------------------------------
Birth:     ca 1479[7]
Death:     aft 4 Apr 1537[4],[7]
Burial:     St. Oswald's, Ashbourne, co. Derby

knight, of Ashbourne, co. Derby
fought at Battle of Tournai, 1513[4]

Spouse:     Barbara FitzHerbert
Father:     John FitzHerbert
Mother:     Margaret Babington

Children:     Jane


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Jane Cokayne[4]
----------------------------------------

'...Jane, elder daughter of Sir Thomas Cokayne of Ashbourn.'
(Cox., p. 252)[8]

Spouse:     Vincent Lowe
Death:     ca 1556[4]
Father:     Humphrey Lowe (->1516)
Mother:     Margaret Cokayne

Children:     Jasper (-1582)
Barbara


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Jasper Lowe
----------------------------------------
Death:     1582[4]

of Park-Hall and Denby, co. Derby[4]

[his holdings in Denby evidently from his wife's maritagium or inheritance from her mother]

noted by Cox as having acquired Park-Hall 'about the beginning of
Henry VIII's reign' and then being settled on his younger son
(p. 251)[8]

Spouse:     Dorothy Sacheverell[4]
Father:     William Sacheverell (-1558)
Mother:     Mary Lowe

Children:     Patrick (ca1561->1617)
Jasper
Nicholas
Robert
Emma
Dorothy
Mary


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Patrick Lowe
----------------------------------------
Birth:     ca 1561[4],[8]
Death:     aft 17 Oct 1617[4],[9]

Esq., of Denby, co. Derby[10]

'Patrick Lowe of Denby, Derbyshire', will dated 17 Oct 1617
[PRO PCC PROB 11/130[9] ]

Spouse:     Jane Harpur
Father:     Sir John Harpur (ca1546-1622)
Mother:     Isabella Pierrepont

Children:     Vincent (1594->1640)
Isabel


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Vincent Lowe
----------------------------------------
Birth:     1594[10]
Death:     aft 1640[10]

Esq., of Denby, co. Derby[10]

Spouse:     Anne Cavendish
Father:     Henry Cavendish (1550-1616)
Mother:     NN

Children:     Grace (1614-)
John (1616-1659)
Anne (1618-)
Beth (1626-)
Catherine (1627-)
Henry (1628-)
Dorothy (1630-)
Vincent (1632-)
Jane (1633-1700)
Nicholas (1639-)


1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1a Jane Lowe*
----------------------------------------
Birth:     14 Oct 1633, Denby, co. Derby[4]
Death:     19 Jan 1700, Middlesex, England[10]
Burial:     St. Giles-in-the-Field church, Middlesex
Occ:     Lady Baltimore

she m. 1stly Henry Sewall,
2ndly (as 2nd wife) Charles Calvert, Lord
Baltimore[10];[4];[11].

Raised grandson Notley Rozer after death of his father in 1681[12](son
Nicholas Sewall was guardian of Notley Rozer per indenture of
1682[13])

d. intestate, 19 Jan 1700/01 [Barnes, p.2[14] ]

Spouse:     Henry Sewall
Birth:     aft 1622[4]
Death:     bef 17 Apr 1665[4]
Father:     Richard Sewall (-<1638)
Mother:     Mary Dugdale (1597-ca1648)
Marr:     bef 1650, England[15]

Children:     Anne (ca1651-1693)
Elizabeth (<1651-<1710)
Nicholas (ca1655-1737)
Mary (1658-1693)
Jane

Other Spouses Charles Calvert, 3rd Lord Baltimore




1. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
[microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England
Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
2. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
3. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516,"
www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
4. Robert W. Barnes, "British Roots of Maryland Families," Baltimore:
Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1999.
5. Richard Ledyard, "Pembrugge/Vernon," Dec 9, 2000,
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, additional notes and comments,
12/10/2000 by Todd A. Farmerie.
6. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Tuberville heirs," July 31, 1998,
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
7. Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet," Jan 20, 2003,
email royalancestry@msn.com.
8. "The Churches of Derbyshire," Charles Cox, pp. 248-254 provided by
Rosie Bevan.
9. "Public Record Office Archives," : wills proved in the Prerogative
Court of Canterbury, http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/
10. David Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century
Colonists"
Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999,
(2nd edition, 1999).
11. "Charles Calvert; article in American National Biography," David W.
Jordan (J. Garraty, M. Carnes, gen editors), Oxford Univ. Press,
1999, Vol. 4, pp. 242-244.
12. Nettie Leitch Major, "Rozer - Young - Carroll - Brent: Colonial
Marylanders "Lost" by the Formation of the District of Columbia,"
Maryland Genealogical Society Bulletin, Vol. 19, No. 4, Fall, 1978
[as corrected, Winter 1979 -Vol. 20, No. 1, p. 93], pp. 293 et seq.
13. Effie Gwynn Bowie, "Across the Years in Prince George's County,"
Richmond: Garrett and Massie, Inc., 1916.
14. "Robert Barnes," "JANE LOWE SEWALL CALVERT: GOVERNOR'S LADY AND
LAND BARONESS ", The Archivist's Bulldog, vol. 13, No. 12
(June 28, 1999) p. 2, The Archivist's Bulldog - Newsletter of the
Maryland State Archives,

http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/refserv/bulldog/bull99/bull13-12/html/bull13-12.html#sewall
15. Debbie Shields, "Shields Genealogy,"
www.debbieshields.com/genealogy/tree12.html
16. David Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists,"
Baltimore: the Genealogical Pub. Company, 1st ed.




Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com wrote.³

; William de Brewes (or Breuse) IV and his wife, Maud de Clare, are often
assigned a daughter, Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville (died 1219),
of Llanstephan Castle, Carmarthenshire. This affliation is made due to
the fact that Lleucu de Camville is known to have been a granddaughter
of William de Brewes IV's father, William de Brewes III, who granted
her property in Ireland in marriage (see Shirley, Royal and Other Hist.
Letters Ill. of the Reign of Henry III 1 (1862): 60-61 [letter discussing lands in Ireland claimed by Lleucu as her maritagium]; cf.
Complete Peerage, 3 (1913): 3).

William de Brewes III and his wife, Maud de Saint Valéry, had a large
family of children, many of whom married and raised families. Lleucu
de Camville could conceivably be the child of any one of these couples.
Recent research has located evidence which indicates Lleucu was the
daughter of Gruffydd ap Rhys (died 1201), Prince of South Wales, by his
wife, Maud (died 1210), daughter of William de Brewes III (see Jones,
Brut y Tywysogyon (Board of Celtic Studies 6) (1941): 154; Dict. of
Welsh Biog.(1959): 318-319 (biog. of Gruffydd ap Rhys); Bartrum Welsh
Gens. 300-1400 (1980) [Rhys ap Tewdwr 6]). Specifically, in the
period, 1293/1308, Lleucu's grandson, Geoffrey de Camville, 1st Lord
Camville, and his son, William, wrote the King and Council regarding
the lands in Cardigan of Owain ap Gruffydd, "whose heirs they were"
(see Rees Cal. of Ancient Petitions Rel. Wales (Board of Celtic
Studies, Hist. & Law Ser. 28) (1975): 150-151). Owain ap Gruffydd of
Cardiganshire was the eldest son of Gruffydd ap Rhys and Maud de Brewes
(see Dict. of Welsh Biog.(1959): 689-690 (biog. of Owain ap
Gruffydd). At the date of the Camville letter, the lands of Owain ap
Gruffydd had been permanently forfeited by his male heirs for rebellion
against King Edward I of England.

For further particulars regarding the Camville and Brewes families,
please see my forthcoming book, Magna Carta Ancestry, scheduled for
publication in June 2005.

For interest's sake, I've listed below the names of the 17th Century
colonial American immigrants who are descended from Geoffrey de
Camville and his wife, Lleucu:

1. Henry Corbin.

2. Muriel Gurdon.

3. Anthony Savage.

4. Amy Willis.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net.²





; CP, III, 3, incl note (d) shows this for Auberée Marmion and William de
Canville:

Geoffrey Marmion of Clifton and of Arrow, Warks
|
Auberée Marmion (living 1233) = William de Canville
|
Geoffrey de Canville (d. by 1219) (2) = Leuca (d. 1236)
|
William de Canville (d. 1260) = Lucy (living 1284)
|
Geoffrey de Canville, 1st baron Canville in 1295.⁶ Geoffrey de Camville was also known as William de Canville.⁵

; Dear Mardi, Chris, Tim, etc.

Below are records relating to Aubrey Marmion, which records I have
labelled as pertaining to Aubrey Marmion #1 and Aubrey Marmion #2.
The first Aubrey Marmion held lands at Weston[-under-Edge], co.
Gloucester in 1213, which lands appear to be the same lands which this
Aubrey reportedly held in dower of the Cormeilles family in
Gloucestershire [see the abstract of the 1236 IPM of Margaret de Cormeilles which I posted yesterday]. Aubrey Marmion #1 has been
identified at least twice in print as the widow of Walter de
Cormeilles (died c. 1204), which identification may or may not be
correct. The lands at Weston were subsequently held by Hugh Giffard,
husband of Walter de Cormeilles' daughter, Sibyl de Cormeilles. My
notes show that Hugh Giffard and Sibyl de Cormeilles were married
sometime before 18 March 1217.

The second Aubrey Marmion below is the one who married in or before
1205 William de Camville, of Seckington, co. Warwick, by whom she
appears to have had a son and heir, Goffrey de Camville. Aubrey
Marmion #2 is clearly identified in the records below as daughter of
Geoffrey Marmion. This Aubrey Marmion's son, Geoffrey de Camville,
was stated to be dead in 1220.

It is alleged by Gerald Paget's Baronage that the two Aubrey Marmions
are the same person, and that Aubrey Marmion married (1st) Walter de
Cormeilles, and (2nd) William de Camville. These statements may or
may not be true. It is possible that we are dealing with two Aubrey
Marmions, whose life histories have been collapsed into one
individual.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com

- - - - - - - - - - -
I. Record pertaining to Aubrey Marmion #1.

Curia Regis Rolls 7 (1935), pp. 2-3:

Michaelmas term, 15 John 1213

"Glouc'. – Convenit inter Radulfum de Penebrig' querentem et Albredam
Marmiun de manerio de Weston', under idem Radulfus exigebat ab ea
servicium j. militis et unde ipsa non congnovit se tenere de eo, ita
quod ipsa recongnovit terram illam esse jus ipsius Radulfi et Radulfus
concessit ei terram illam tenendam de eo tota vita sua faciendo
servicium j militis; et post decessum ejus medietas illius terre
revertetur ad ipsum Radulfum vel heredes suos cum capitali mesagio et
cum tota advocacione ecclesie; et alia medietas remanebit heredibus
ipsius Albrede tenenda de ipso Radulfo et de heredibus suis per
servitium dimidii militis; et in escambium capitalis mesagii, quod
remanebit Radulfo, habebunt heredes Albrede de medietate ipsius
Radulfi j. mesagium adeo longum et latum sicut illud capitale mesagium
et pro advocatione ecclesie j. dimidiam virgatam terre. Set quoniam
ipsa Albreda entuit in capite terram prdeictam de domino rege et ei
inde fecit servicium, not potest recedere ab eo sine ejus licencia.
Et ideo habent diem in octabis sancti Martini."


II. Records relating to Aubrey Marmion #2.

Great Roll of the Pipe for the Seventh Year of the Reign of King John
Michaelmas 1205 (Pubs. of the Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 19) (1941), pg. 230:

Michaelmas 1205 sub Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire

"Willelmus de Canuill' et Albreda uxor eius debent j m. pro habendo
breui de feodo dim. militis cum pertinentiis in Childecote."

- - - - - - - -
Curis Regis Rolls 3 (1926), pg. 284:

Easter Term, 6-7 John
1205

"Warr'. – Assisa ultime presentationis inter Willelmum de Canvill' et
Albredam uxorem ejus petentes et Simonen de Berkeston' de ecclesia de
Sechendon' ponitur in respectum usque in crastinum sancte Trinitatus
pro defectu recognitorum, quia quidam essoniaverunt se."

- - - - - -
Curia Regis Rolls 5 (1931), pp. 54-55:

Michaelmas term, 9 John. 1207

Dereb'. – Willelmus de Kanvill' pro se et Albreda uxore ejus, cujus
loco ponitur, petit versus Willelmum de Berkele feudum dimidi militis
cum petinentiis in Childecot' ut jus Albrede uxoris sue, unde
Gaufridus Marmiun pater ipsius Albrede seisitus fuit in dominico ut de
feudo et jure tempore Henrici regis patris etc. capiendo inde expleta
ad valenciam etc."

- - - - - - - - -
Curia Regis Rolls 8 (1938), pg. 238

Hilary Term, 4 Henry III
1220

Stafford': - Henricus de Alditheleg' summonitus fuit ad respondendum
Albrede Marmiun quo waranto se tenet in manerio de Clifton' cum
pertinentiis, quod ipsa clamat ut jus et hereditatem suam et quod ipsa
tradidit in custodiam Gaufrido de Camvill' filio suo quamdiu placeret
ei, qui mortuus est, ut dicit."



royalancestry@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<5cf47a19.0310300825.2af3cc2@posting.google.com>...

>> Dear Chris ~
>>
>> Yes, you are correct. The "C." stands for Chancery, as in
>> Inquisition Post Mortem. Below please find a copy of the inquisition
>> for Margaret (or Margery) de Cormeilles, one of the daughters and
>> co-heiresses of Walter de Cormeilles. The inquisition is split into
>> two parts, one an inquest held in Herefordshire, the other held in
>> Gloucestershire. The writs for both inquests are dated May 1236.
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - -
>> Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem 1 (1904): 1-2
>> Inquisition Post Mortem of Margaret alias Margery de Cormeilles
>>
>> Writ to the sheriff of Hereford, 16 May, 20 Henry III [1236]. Inq.
>> (undated).
>> Her daughters, Alice, the wife of Robert le Archer, and Isabel,
>> the wife of Simon de Solers, are her heirs by Walter de Stokes, her
>> husband.
>>
>> HEREFORD. Tatinton and Bolingehop' in Clehungre, ½ knight's fee,
>> containing 3 carucates (and) 100 s. rent, held of the king in chief.
>>
>> Eston town, 1 knight's fee held by Roger de Eston.
>>
>> GLOUCESTER,
>> Begesoure and Hennemerse, 1 knight's fee held by James de Solers.
>>
>> Writ to the sheriff of Gloucester, 17 May, 20 Henry III [1236]. Inq.
>> (undated).
>>
>> GLOUCESTER. The jury know of no land held by any Margaret de
>> Cormailles of the king in chief, but one Albreda de Marmiun sometime
>> held certain lands of the king in chief in dower, which lands Henry de
>> Penebrigg' now holds of Hugh Giffard, and he of the king in chief.
>>
>> C. Hen. III. File 1. (5.) END OF QUOTE.
>> - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> The inquisition above indicates that a certain Aubrey Marmion formerly
>> held Cormeilles property in dower, which property was being held in
>> 1236 by Hugh Giffard, the known husband of Sibyl, one of the four
>> Cormeilles co-heiresses. This suggests that Aubrey Marmion was the
>> widow sometime before 1236 of a Cormeilles male, presumably Walter de
>> Cormeilles himself. Also, it indicates that Aubrey Marmion survived
>> her Cormeilles marriage, and was presumably dead before 1236.
>>
>> Inasmuch as the inquisition above indicated that the Cormeilles family
>> held lands in Gloucestershire, I checked the Book of Fees for anything
>> pertaining to Walter de Cormeilles. I found the following item in the
>> source:
>>
>> Book of Fees commonly called Testa de Nevill. Part I (1920),pg. 50:
>>
>> A.D. 1211-1213. Gloucester.
>>
>> "Feoda Walteri de Cormailles in Wunnestan [Winson] et Elkestr
>> [Elkstone] et Sid' [Syde] cum pertinenciis v. milites." END OF QUOTE.
>>
>> - - - - - - -
>> Finally, I located an article in the Bristol & Gloucestershire Society
>> journal which pertains to the Cormeilles family. The author states
>> unequivocably that Walter de Cormeilles married Aubrey Marmion, but he
>> does not give his source. Interestingly, the article reveals Bishop
>> Godfrey Giffard's known kinsman, Thomas de Solers, was a descendant of
>> the Cormailles family as was the Bishop.
>>
>> Transactions of the Bristol and Gloucestershire Archaeological
>> Society, 40 (1917): 115-116:
>>
>> "? Richard Cormeilles, his son, was father of a second Richard, and
>> grandfather of Walter Cormeilles, who married Albreda de Marmion, and
>> left by her four daughters, his co-heiresses, viz. Albreda, married to
>> John le Brun; Sibyl, the wife of High Giffard; Alice, married to
>> Godfrey de Craycumbe; and Margaret, the wife of Walter de Stokes. At
>> the death of Walter de Cormeilles his estates were divided between his
>> four daughters. The Manors of Hope and Aston in the County of
>> Hereford, together with the Manor of Pauntley, and certain other land
>> in Gloucestershire, came to Margaret, the wife of Walter de Stokes.
>> She dying without male issue, her property was divided between her two
>> daughters, co-heiresses. The elder, Alice, carried the Manor of Aston
>> in marriage to Robert le Archer. The younger, Isabel, wife of Simon
>> de Solers, inherited the Manors of Hope and Pauntley. The manors
>> remained in the Solers family until 1310, when by Inquisition P.M. it
>> was found that John, son of Thomas Solers, held at his decease,
>> besides the Manor of Solers Hope, the Manor of Pauntley in
>> Gloucestershire, and that his "kinsman" William de Wytington was his
>> heir (see pedigree post). By the marriage of this William de
>> Wytington of Co. Warwick with Maud, only daughter and heiress of John
>> Solers, the Manors of Solers Hope and Pauntley became vested in the
>> Whittington family from 1310 to 1546." END OF QUOTE.
>>
>> I don't know who made the connection between Aubrey Marmion, wife of
>> Walter de Cormeilles, and Aubrey Marmion, wife of William de Camville.
>> I believe that Paget is correct that the two women are the same
>> person, especially given Bishop Giffard's claim to kinship to Earl
>> William de Beauchamp. Reviewing my notes, I see that Paget gives two
>> sources for the marriage of Aubrey Marmion and William de Camville:
>>
>> Plac. temp. Ric. 1 & Joh. rot. 4;
>> Cart. l Joh. m 5
>>
>> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>>
>> E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
>>
>> "Chris Phillips" wrote in message news:...
>
>>> > Douglas Richardson wrote:
>>
>>>> > > The marriage of Aubrey Marmion to Walter de Cormeilles comes from
>>>> > > Gerald Paget's Baronage. I haven't double checked Paget's original
>>>> > > account [148:1-2], but my notes indicate that he gives the following
>>>> > > source for this marriage:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > C. Hen. 3 file 1 No 5.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I believe the "C." stands for Close Rolls.
>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the reference.
>>> >
>>> > I wonder whether this could be one of the early Chancery inquisitions post
>>> > mortem? According to the online catalogue, C 132/1 covers 20-28 Henry III
>>> > [1235-1244], which is only just after the dates given by CP for Aubreye the
>>> > wife of William de Camville/Canville.
>>> >
>>> > If so, it should be covered in the first volume of published abstracts.
>>> >
>>> > Chris Phillips.⁷

     Rhys Gryg ab Yr Arglwydd Rhys was born circa 1190.² He married Maude de Clare, daughter of Richard de Clare 6th Earl of Clare, Hertford & Glouc and Amice Meullent Fitz William Countess of Gloucester, in 1219.^5,2

Rhys Gryg ab Yr Arglwydd Rhys died in 1234 at Llandeilo-Fawr, Wales, England.^6,2
     EDV-24 GKJ-25.

; In 1216 Prince Llywelyn II confirmed him in the possession of the greater part of Cantref Mawr and Cantref Bychan and the commotes of Cedweli and Carnwyllion. He married Joan de Clare, daughter of the Earl of Hertford but, in 1234, was mortally wounded while attacking Carmarthen Castle and died at Llandeilo-fawr.²

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family London, 1973 , Reference: 324
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/156.²

; RHYS GRYG (the HOARSE) AP RHYS ruled Cantref Mawr, 1204-34; and most of Ystrad Tywi, 1216-34.⁶

     Yr Arglwydd Rhys ap Gruffydd Prince of Deheubarth married Gwenllian ferch Madog, daughter of Madog ap Maredudd Prince of Powys Fadog and Susanna ferch Gruffudd.^3,4
Yr Arglwydd Rhys ap Gruffydd Prince of Deheubarth was born circa 1132 at Ireland.^3,2
Yr Arglwydd Rhys ap Gruffydd Prince of Deheubarth died on 28 April 1197.^3,2
Yr Arglwydd Rhys ap Gruffydd Prince of Deheubarth was buried after 28 April 1197 at St. David's Cathedral .^3,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Burke's Guide to the Royal Family London, 1973 , Reference: 324.² GAV-22 EDV-22.

; "In 1153 he became joint ruler of Deuheubarth with his brother Maredudd until his brother died in 1155, leaving him sole ruler. He acquired a dominant position in South Wales. In 1158 he acknowledged the overlordship of Henry II, King of England, and became known as 'Yr Arglwydd Rhys' (The Lord Rhys)."² Yr Arglwydd Rhys ap Gruffydd Prince of Deheubarth was also known as Rhys ap Griffith Prince of South Wales.⁵ He was King of Deheubarth, [Ashley, pp. 340-342] RHYS AP GRUFFYDD - THE LORD RHYS Deheubarth, 1155-97. Born: c1132 in Ireland. Died: 28 April 1197, aged about 65. Buried: St David's Cathedral. Married: (date unknown), Gwenllian, dau. Madog ap Maredudd of Powys; 9 children, plus at least 9 illegitimate. In the eighteen years since the death of GRUFFYDD AP RHYS, his sons had progressively reclaimed and rebuilt much of the old kingdom of Deheubarth, recovering lands from the Normans and from the rival kingdom of Gwynedd. Rhys had been only four when his father died, but by the age of thirteen he was involved with his brothers in various engagements so that he was already battle hardened when the early death of his brother MAREDUDD catapulted Rhys into power in 1155.
He came to power at the same time as HENRY II of England, who felt he needed to repair the damage caused in both England and Wales during the last twenty years. He soon tested Welsh resistance by a campaign into North Wales in 1157 that saw the submission of OWAIN GWYNEDD. Rhys held out for a year with a display of bravado, but when Henry put it to the test in 1158, Rhys was forced to submit. His parley with Henry was costly. Rhys was forced to hand back all of the captured castles to the Norman families and was left in control of only Cantref Mawr and a few outlying territories. Deheubarth was again split asunder as if the last twenty years had been for nothing. Perhaps even more ignominious was that Rhys agreed to drop the title of king, demonstrating his total submission to Henry's authority. Ever after he was always known as Yr Arglwydd Rhys - "The Lord Rhys". Such a decision was not easily accepted. Rhys's nephew, Einion ap Anarawd, rebelled and slew the garrison at Castell Hywel. Henry returned with a show of force and Rhys had to capitulate. However, soon after Henry returned to France, Rhys attacked several castles in Dyfed, most notably Carmarthen, which resulted in a major Norman force being despatched by Henry's illegitimate son, Reginald, earl of Cornwall. The scale of the opposition drove Rhys back into his stronghold of Cantref Mawr from which the combined forces of five Norman earls, plus the assistance of the rulers of Gwynedd, were unable to displace him. A truce was finally called and, for the next three years, Rhys remained quiet.
Then, in 1162, Rhys began again on a series of raids, taking the castle at Llandovery. When Henry returned to England in early 1163 his first mission was to penetrate into South Wales. Henry caught up with Rhys in Ceredigion. Quite how or why Rhys submitted is not clear, but there was no struggle, and Henry took Rhys away as prisoner. It is a demonstration of Henry's belief in his own strength and authority that, after a few months, he released Rhys after he had paid homage to Henry at Woodstock in July, along with MALCOLM IV of Scotland and Owain Gwynedd. Rhys remained obdurate. While he had been prisoner, his nephew Einion had been murdered. The murderer was being sheltered by Roger de Clare, earl of Hertford. Once back in Wales, Rhys immediately led an army in Ceredigion destroying any Norman stronghold he found as he progressed. This was the last straw for Henry. He planned to raise a major army and subdue Wales once and for all. The threat of this at last brought the various factions in Wales together into a major uprising. At the same time Henry had his own domestic problems over Thomas Becket, and his campaign of 1165 failed dramatically. Rhys seized this as an opportunity to regain all of his lost lands and within a year had rebuilt much of Deheubarth. He never was able to regain much of the land in Dyfed or along the southern coast, but most of Ceredigion and northern Ystrad Tywi was under his direct rule, and many surrounding territories were ruled by client kings.
For a period the Norman lords despaired, many of them turning their attention to Ireland to expand their power. This further annoyed Henry whose next expedition to Wales in 1170 was not to subjugate the Welsh but to bring his Norman lords back to heel. It seems that during the 1160s both sides had learned their lessons. In 1171 and 1172 Henry and Rhys held a series of meetings out of which Rhys emerged as Henry's recognized "justiciar" in Deheubarth, a role which demonstrated that Rhys acted with the authority of Henry and had power over the administration of the law, and that meant power over the lesser rulers in South Wales. Rhys actually styled himself "Prince of South Wales". It was a turning point in Welsh affairs. From then on, for the second half of his reign, Rhys put aside his rebellious past and assumed the role of a governor, negotiator, peace-maker and king's man. He even sent a force to support Henry during the revolt of his sons in 1173. Rhys saw the benefits of Norman England and even began to imitate the Norman way of life and administration. But he did not neglect Welsh culture. He rebuilt the castle at Cardigan and, upon its completion in 1176, inaugurated there the first official eisteddfod. He also founded or rebuilt a number of abbeys, of which Strata Florida was the most striking example.
Unfortunately most of Rhys's achievements were built on shifting sands. They relied primarily on his own strength and stamina and on the relationship that he developed with Henry II. After Henry's death in 1189, Rhys found it difficult to receive any co-operation from RICHARD'S government, and the protection he was allowed from the ambitions of the marcher lords also evaporated. Tensions again began to mount, intensified by unrest between Rhys's own sons. The result was that Rhys once again had to take to arms to defend himself. The main Anglo-Norman opponent was William de Breos, lord of Radnor and Builth. Initially Rhys showed his strength, but by 1194 the in-fighting within the family began to take its toll. The main trouble-maker was one of Rhys's younger sons, MAELGWYN, who was imprisoned and later handed over to Breos by his own brother GRUFFYDD. When Rhys secured Maelgwyn's release, it only led to more in-fighting between Maelgwyn and Gruffydd. Rhys was caught in the middle and in 1194 found himself captured and imprisoned by Maelgwyn. He was soon released, but found that other sons, RHYS GRYG and Maredudd, had captured Deheubarth's royal stronghold at Dinefwr. Rhys was incensed. Showing something of his old strength and verve he regained his castles and, in 1196, led a major campaign against the Normans. During the last few years William de Breos had succeeded in regaining some of his old territories, but in a remarkable campaign Rhys stormed and captured many of de Breos's castles and razed Norman towns to the ground. Rhys went out in a blaze of glory. He died the following spring. He was the last great ruler of southern Wales, and certainly one of Wales's greatest rulers. From out of almost nothing he rebuilt Deheubarth, and held it against overwhelming odds for over forty years. Unfortunately, as was ever the case with a strong king who ruled for so long, the rivalry between his sons soon pulled the kingdom apart. between 1155 and 1197.³

     GAV-25 EDV-25.

     GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-27. Cadell ab Einion was Co-King of Deheubarth, [Ashley, pp. 331, 335] CADELL AB EINION Deheubarth, 1005-18. After the death of MAREDUDD AB OWAIN, his combined kingdoms were ruled by CYNAN AP HYWEL until his own death in 1005. Then Edwin and Cadell, the sons of Maredudd's brother Einion, managed to reclaim some of the lands in Deheubarth. They were aggressive brothers who had sought to gain a share of the kingdom from the earliest opportunity, challenging Maredudd for territories in southern Wales in 991 and 994. Their hold on authority was tenuous and they were challenged by Aeddan ap Blegywryd, a usurper of uncertain origin, though it is tempting to wonder if he was a relative of Blegywryd, HYWEL DDA's lawyer. Aeddan succeeded in deposing Edwin and Cadell. Their exact fate is unknown, and they may have been killed at this time, for they are not mentioned in any later records. Aeddan was himself soon overthrown by Llywelyn ap Seisyll who again reunited Gwynedd and Deheubarth. Edwin's son HYWEL was to later regain the throne in 1033. between 1005 and 1018.²

     Einion ab Owain died in 984 at Battle of Gower, Gwent, Wales, England.²
     GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28.

     Hywell Dda "the Good" ap Cadell King of Seisyllwg (King of Wales) married Elen ferch Llywarch, daughter of Llywarch ap Hyffaidd.²
Hywell Dda "the Good" ap Cadell King of Seisyllwg (King of Wales) was born between 880 and 882.⁴
Hywell Dda "the Good" ap Cadell King of Seisyllwg (King of Wales) died in 950.^4,5
     GAV-29 EDV-29.

; Hywel Dda ap Cadell, king of South Wales, d. 950 [AC]. [HG.1: "[H]iguel map Catell"]
AC = Annales Cambriae
HG = Genealogies from Harleian MS. 3859, fo. 193r-195r, edited in EWGT, pp. 9-13 (a copy made ca. 1100 of genealogies compiled probably between 954 and 988.)⁵ He was King of Dyfed, [Ashley, pp. 333-334] HYWEL DDA (the GOOD) AP CADELL ruled Dyfed, 905-50; Seisyllwg, 920-50 - the two kingdoms combined as Deheubarth after 920; also ruled Gwynedd and Powys, 942-50.
Arguably the greatest of the Welsh rulers, and certainly the only one to be called 'Good'. By the time of his death he was king of all of west Wales. His date of birth is not recorded, but it was probably around 880/2. He was given Dyfed by his father CADELL AP RHODRI who had conquered it in 905, deposing the last king RHODRI AP HYFAIDD. Although Hywel ruled this as sub-king to Cadell, it was an early sign of Hywel's abilities that Cadell should entrust his new kingdom to his younger son. Hywel consolidated his rule in Dyfed by marrying Elen, the daughter of LLYWARCH AP HYFAIDD. When Cadell died in 909, Hywel's brother CLYDOG inherited Seisyllwg, but to all intents Hywel ruled Dyfed and Seisyllwg jointly with CADELL. Upon Cadell's death in 920, Hywel combined the two kingdoms to which he gave the new name of Deheubarth.
Hywel is recorded as a regular visitor to the court of the kings of England. On some occasions, as in 918 and 927, these were meetings called by the Saxon kings in order to reaffirm their suzerainty and to seek fealty from the other rulers of Britain. On at least one occasion, in 934, Hywel had to prove that fealty by accompanying ATHELSTAN in his punitive expedition against CONSTANTINE II of Scotland. On none of these occasions would Hywel have relished this subordination, but he was sensible enough to know that he had neither the need nor the strength of arms to defeat the English and that he could benefit by working with them. This affiliation brought respect from the English kings and a recognition of Hywel's authority. At other times he seems to have attended the English courts as a friend, often to witness charters, and took the opportunity to study how the administration and jurisdiction operated. Though it may go too far to say he was an Anglophile, he did christen one of his children with an English name, Edwin, and the English ability to organize clearly appealed to him. He had the good sense to understand what worked well and could respect the English way of life. This was further amplified after his pilgrimage to Rome in 928. It had a marked effect upon him, not simply in the religious sense, but in recognizing the benefits that could come to a well organized kingdom, which he witnessed in France and Rome.
Hywel benefited from his association with the English. In 942 his cousin, IDWAL AP ANARAWD of Gwynedd, was killed in battle against the Saxons. His sons were expelled from the kingdom and the dominion of the land passed to Hywel. He was now ruler of most of Wales, with the exception of the south-east. He took this opportunity to organize and consolidate the many tribal laws of the land. Soon after 942W probably around 945, he called a great conference at Ty Gwyn ("the White House") in Dyfed (near the modern town of Whitland), with representatives from every parish. The conference met for six weeks during which time we must imagine that all of the laws were codified and differences debated. It is unlikely that within that six weeks all differences were resolved, but it provided the basis for developing a series of three law books, which represented the respective laws of Gwynedd, Deheubarth and Morgannwg. These law books established such authority that it was later said none of the laws could be amended without gathering together a similar assembly. By codifying these laws, which was apparently done under the masterful direction of a lawyer called Blegywryd, Hywel did more towards unifying the Welsh as a nation than any other ruler had sought to achieve by conquest and domination. Even when after Hywel's death his kingdom was again partitioned amongst his successors, his laws lived on, and remained the cornerstone of Welsh administration. So paramount was Hywel in his role as king and lawgiver that he was also the first and only Welsh prince to issue his own coinage. Since it was issued from the mint at Chester, Hywel must have consulted with the English over its production.
When Hywel died in 950, probably in his late sixties, he left behind a legacy that would long be remembered as a golden age in Welsh history. After his death Deheubarth was split between his three sons, Rhodri, Edwin and OWAIN, whilst Gwynedd regained its independence under IAGO AB IDWAL. between 905 and 950.⁴ He was King of Seisyllwg between 920 and 950.⁴

     Christiana de Ridelisford married Robert de Mariscis.¹

     Eleanor Fitz Maurice of Kerry & Lixnaw, Ireland married John de la Roche Lord Fermoy, of Fermoy, co. Cork, Ireland.¹

     Maurice Fitz Thomas 1st Baron of Kerry and Lixnaw married Elena Fitz William, daughter of William Fitz Elie.^1,2

Maurice Fitz Thomas 1st Baron of Kerry and Lixnaw died in 1304.¹
     Reference: Genealogics cites: