Thomas fitz Herbert Dcl1

M, #17911, d. 1532
FatherRalph Radus fitz Herbert of Norbury1 b. 1428, d. 2 Mar 1484
MotherElizabeth Marshall1 b. 1437, d. 1496
Last Edited22 Nov 2002
     Thomas fitz Herbert Dcl died in 1532; died unmarried.1
     ; Thomas; DCL, Rector Norbury 1500-18, Preb Lichfield 1513; d unm 1532.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stafford Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Milicent de Réthel1,2

F, #17912, b. between 1121 and 1123, d. after 1155
FatherGervais/Gervase de Rethel Comte de Rethel1,2,3,4 b. 1075, d. c 1124
MotherElizabeth (?) de Namur5,1,2,6 b. a 1087, d. a 1148
ReferenceGAV24 EDV24
Last Edited29 Jun 2020
     Milicent de Réthel married Richard de Camville of Stanton, son of Richard de Camville and Milicent Barbant; her 2nd husband.7,1,8 Milicent de Réthel married Robert II de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion, son of Roger de Marmion 3rd Lord Scrivelsby and (?) d'Arbitot; her 1st husband.9,1 Milicent de Réthel was born between 1121 and 1123.1,4
Milicent de Réthel died after 1155.
     GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-24.

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Descendants of Leofric of Mercia 2002 , Ravilious, John & Rosie Bevan, Reference: surname and birth
2. The Complete Peerage, Volume XIV Addenda & Corrigenda 1998, Hammond, Peter W., Reference: 467 this entry is wrong
3. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 355
4. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VIII 506.1 Milicent de Réthel was also known as Milicent de Renthel.7

Family 1

Robert II de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion b. c 1095, d. bt 1144 - 1145
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milicent de Rethel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199646&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rethel 1 page - Rethel family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gervase: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027109&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#GervaisRetheldiedbefore1124. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I12194
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Namur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027108&tree=LEO
  7. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I26669
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard de Camville, of Stanton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028890&tree=LEO
  9. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I08883
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mabel de Marmion: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398072&tree=LEO
  11. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15906
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milicent de Réthel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199646&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabelle/Millicent de Camville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028889&tree=LEO

Robert II de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion1

M, #17913, b. circa 1095, d. between 1144 and 1145
FatherRoger de Marmion 3rd Lord Scrivelsby2,1 b. 1065, d. 1130
Mother(?) d'Arbitot3 b. c 1070
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Robert II de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion married Milicent de Réthel, daughter of Gervais/Gervase de Rethel Comte de Rethel and Elizabeth (?) de Namur; her 1st husband.4,5 Robert II de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion was born circa 1095 at Normandy, France.1
Robert II de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion died between 1144 and 1145 at Coventry, Warwickshire, England.1
     EDV-25 GKJ-24.

; Military Prominant figure in anarchy of King Stephen's reign. Fact Granted free warren at Tamworth by Henry I.4

; van de Pas cites: 1. Descendants of Leofric of Mercia 2002 , Ravilious, John & Rosie Bevan
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VIII 505
3. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 355
4. Ancestor list of Thomas Bradbury mhollick@mac.com , Hollick, Martin, Reference: 183168.1

; per van de Pas: [quote] About 1129 King Henry I granted him lands and the castle of Tamworth. When granted the castle of Tamworth with the adjacent lands in County Warwick, he expelled the nuns from the abbey of Polesworth to a place called Oldbury, about four miles distant. According to Sir William Dugdale, about a year later, when entertaining his friends on a costly scale at Tamworth Castle, St. Edith appeared to him during the night in the habit of a veiled nun and with a crosier in her hand. She warned him that, if he did not restore Polesworth to the nuns, he would have an evil death and go to hell. Then to add strength to her warning before vanishing, she smote him on the side with her crosier. He was hurt so badly that he cried out aloud and was heard by his friends. Finding him extremely tormented with the pain of his wound, they advised him to confess himself to a priest and vow to restore the nuns to their former possessions. Only after he had confessed did his pain cease. He then rode to Oldbury and asked the nuns to pardon him for the injury he had inflicted upon them. He assisted their return to Polesworth and, as their new patron, requested that he and his family might be buried at Polesworth.

In 1140 he was besieged by Geoffrey of Anjou in his castle of Fontenay in Normandy, which was subsequently demolished. In 1143 or 1144, to pursue his enemy, the Earl of Chester, he went to Coventry, the seat of the Earl, entered the priory there and, after expelling the monks, turned it into a fortress. At the same time he made deep ditches in the adjacent fields, which he covered over with earth, in order to secure the approaches to the priory. However, when the forces of the Earl of Chester began to approach, he rode out to reconnoitre, fell into one of those ditches and broke his thigh, so that a common soldier could seize him and cut off his head. His widow married Richard de Camville. [end quote]1 Robert II de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion was also known as Robert Marmion.6

Family

Milicent de Réthel b. bt 1121 - 1123, d. a 1155
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Marmion: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199645&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I12267
  3. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15910
  4. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I08883
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milicent de Rethel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199646&tree=LEO
  6. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 221, de SAY 5. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mabel de Marmion: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398072&tree=LEO
  8. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15906

Robert III de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion1

M, #17914, b. circa 1120, d. circa 1185
FatherRobert II de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion1 b. c 1095, d. bt 1144 - 1145
MotherMilicent de Réthel1,2 b. bt 1121 - 1123, d. a 1155
ReferenceEDV24 GKJ23
Last Edited1 Jul 2006
     Robert III de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion married Elizabeth (?)3 Robert III de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion was born circa 1120 at Tamworth Castle, originally Warwickshire, now Staffordshire, England.1
Robert III de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion died circa 1185.1
     ; Lands restored by King Stephen. Began foundation of Barbery Abbey in Normandy. 1166 16 knights fees.1 EDV-24 GKJ-23.

Family

Elizabeth (?) b. c 1125
Child

Elizabeth (?)1

F, #17915, b. circa 1125
ReferenceEDV24 GKJ23
Last Edited29 Jan 2003
     Elizabeth (?) married Robert III de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion, son of Robert II de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion and Milicent de Réthel.1 Elizabeth (?) was born circa 1125.1
     EDV-24 GKJ-23.

Family

Robert III de Marmion Sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion b. c 1120, d. c 1185
Child

Roger de Marmion 3rd Lord Scrivelsby1

M, #17916, b. 1065, d. 1130
FatherRobert de Marmion2 b. c 1035
MotherHawise (?)3 b. c 1035, d. 1101
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited4 Aug 2006
     Roger de Marmion 3rd Lord Scrivelsby married (?) d'Arbitot, daughter of Urso d'Abitot of Salwarpe, co. Worcester and Adelais (?).4,5 Roger de Marmion 3rd Lord Scrivelsby was born in 1065 at France.1
Roger de Marmion 3rd Lord Scrivelsby died in 1130.1
     GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-25.

Roger de Marmion 3rd Lord Scrivelsby lived at Scrivelsby, Lincolnshire, England.5

Citations

  1. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I12267
  2. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15911
  3. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15912
  4. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15910
  5. [S1481] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email "Bishop's Kinsfolk: Bishop Godfrey Giffard's kinsman, William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Oct 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 26 Oct 2003."
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Marmion: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199645&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

(?) d'Arbitot1

F, #17917, b. circa 1070
FatherUrso d'Abitot of Salwarpe, co. Worcester2 b. c 1035, d. 1044
MotherAdelais (?)3 b. c 1040
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited3 Aug 2006
     (?) d'Arbitot married Roger de Marmion 3rd Lord Scrivelsby, son of Robert de Marmion and Hawise (?).1,4 (?) d'Arbitot was born circa 1070.1
     GAV26 EDV-26 GKJ-25.

Citations

  1. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15910
  2. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15913
  3. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15914
  4. [S1481] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email "Bishop's Kinsfolk: Bishop Godfrey Giffard's kinsman, William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Oct 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 26 Oct 2003."

Robert de Marmion1

M, #17918, b. circa 1035
FatherRobert de Marmion2 b. 1005
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited4 Aug 2006
     Robert de Marmion married Hawise (?)3 Robert de Marmion was born circa 1035 at Fontenay, Normandy, France.1
     GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-26.

Family

Hawise (?) b. c 1035, d. 1101
Child

Hawise (?)1

F, #17919, b. circa 1035, d. 1101
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited3 Aug 2006
     Hawise (?) married Robert de Marmion, son of Robert de Marmion.1 Hawise (?) was born circa 1035.1
Hawise (?) died in 1101.1
     GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-26.

Family

Robert de Marmion b. c 1035
Child

Robert de Marmion1

M, #17920, b. 1005
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited4 Aug 2006
     Robert de Marmion was born in 1005 at Normandy, France.1
     GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-27.

Family

Child

Louis (?)1

M, #17921, b. 1377, d. 1378
FatherPhilip II "the Bold" (?) Duc de Bourgogne et de Touraine1,2 b. 17 Jan 1342, d. 27 Apr 1404
MotherMarguerite III (?) Css of Flanders, Cts d'Artois, Nevers and Rethel, Css Palatine of Burgundy, Margravine of Antwerp, Lady of Malines, Duchess of Brabant and Limburg1,3 b. 13 Apr 1350, d. 16 Mar 1405
Last Edited24 Oct 2019
     Louis (?) was born in 1377.1
Louis (?) died in 1378; bur Citeaux.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 25 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet25.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Philippe 'the Bold': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002121&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margarethe of Flanders and Brabant: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002122&tree=LEO

Adelais (?)1

F, #17922, b. circa 1040
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited29 Sep 2004
     Adelais (?) married Urso d'Abitot of Salwarpe, co. Worcester, son of Almeric d'Abitot Lord Abbetot.2,1 Adelais (?) was born circa 1040.2
     GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-25.

Family

Urso d'Abitot of Salwarpe, co. Worcester b. c 1035, d. 1044
Children

Citations

  1. [S1481] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email "Bishop's Kinsfolk: Bishop Godfrey Giffard's kinsman, William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Oct 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 26 Oct 2003."
  2. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15914
  3. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages, p. 29. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Antoine (?) de Bourgogne, Duke of Brabant and Limburg, Cte de Rethel, Mgve of Antwerp1

M, #17923, b. August 1384, d. 25 October 1415
FatherPhilip II "the Bold" (?) Duc de Bourgogne et de Touraine1,2 b. 17 Jan 1342, d. 27 Apr 1404
MotherMarguerite III (?) Css of Flanders, Cts d'Artois, Nevers and Rethel, Css Palatine of Burgundy, Margravine of Antwerp, Lady of Malines, Duchess of Brabant and Limburg1,3 b. 13 Apr 1350, d. 16 Mar 1405
Last Edited24 Oct 2019
     Antoine (?) de Bourgogne, Duke of Brabant and Limburg, Cte de Rethel, Mgve of Antwerp was born in August 1384.1 He married Jeanne (?) Cts de St. Pol and Ligny,Chatellaine de Lille, daughter of Waleran III de Luxembourg Comte de Luxembourg, St. Pol et Ligny and Lady Maud de Holand Dame de Roeux, on 21 February 1402; his 1st wife.4,1,5 Antoine (?) de Bourgogne, Duke of Brabant and Limburg, Cte de Rethel, Mgve of Antwerp married Elizabeth (?) of Bohemia, Duchess of Luxembourg, daughter of Johann von Luxemburg (?) Prince of Bohemia, Duke of Görlitz and Richardis (?) Duchess von Mecklenburg-Schwerin, on 16 July 1409 at Brussels, Belgium; his 2nd wife; her 1st husband.4,1
Antoine (?) de Bourgogne, Duke of Brabant and Limburg, Cte de Rethel, Mgve of Antwerp died on 25 October 1415 at Battle of Agincourt, Agincourt, France (now), at age 31.1
Antoine (?) de Bourgogne, Duke of Brabant and Limburg, Cte de Rethel, Mgve of Antwerp was buried after 25 October 1415 at Tervueren, Louvain, Province du Brabant flamand, Belgium.1


     ; Antoine, Duke of Brabant and Limburg (1404-15), Cte de Rethel, Mgve of Antwerp, *VIII.1384, +k.a.Agincourt 25.10.1415, bur Tervueren; 1m: Arras 21.2.1402 Jeanne de St.Pol and Ligny (+12.8.1407); 2m: Brussels 16.7.1409 Dss Elisabeth of Luxembourg (*XI.1390 +3.8.1451) dau.of John, Pr of Bohemia, Mgve of Brandenburg.1 He was Duke of Brabant and Limburg between 1404 and 1415.1

Family 2

Elizabeth (?) of Bohemia, Duchess of Luxembourg b. Oct 1390, d. 3 Aug 1451

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 25 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet25.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Philippe 'the Bold': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002121&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margarethe of Flanders and Brabant: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002122&tree=LEO
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 9 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg9.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jeanne de Luxembourg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064553&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean IV de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00012404&tree=LEO

Smassmann (?) von Rappoltstein1

M, #17924
Last Edited28 Oct 2003

Family

Catherine (?) de Bourgogne b. Apr 1378, d. 25 Jan 1425

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 25 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet25.html

Almeric d'Abitot Lord Abbetot1

M, #17925, b. circa 1005, d. circa 1077
FatherGerard de Tankerville2
MotherHelesinde (?)2
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited29 Sep 2004
     Almeric d'Abitot Lord Abbetot was born circa 1005.1
Almeric d'Abitot Lord Abbetot died circa 1077.1
     GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-26. Almeric d'Abitot Lord Abbetot was also known as Aumary d'Arbitot.2

Citations

  1. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15915
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31110
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 14, de BEAUCHAMP 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.

Gervais/Gervase de Rethel Comte de Rethel1,2,3

M, #17926, b. 1075, d. circa 1124
FatherHugues I (?) Comte de Rethel4,2,5,6,7,8,3,9 b. 1030, d. 28 Dec 1118
MotherMélisende de Montlhéry2,10,8,3,9 b. 1045, d. c 1097
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited29 Jun 2020
     Gervais/Gervase de Rethel Comte de Rethel was born in 1075; Genealogy.EU says b. 1075; Genealogics says b. ca 1060.2,8 He married Elizabeth (?) de Namur, daughter of Godfrey/Godefroid (?) Comte de Namur et de Comte de Château-Porcien and Sibylle de Porcean, between 1120 and 1122;
Her 1st husband; Med Lands says m. 1120/22.11,12,13,14,8,3
Gervais/Gervase de Rethel Comte de Rethel died circa 1124.1,11,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 199.
2. Ancestor List of Humphrey Prideaux 1999 , Ian Dundas Fettes, Reference: 25470.
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/4 625.8


; Per Med Lands:
     "GERVAIS de Rethel (-before 1124). He is named as brother of Baudouin II King of Jerusalem by William of Tyre, specifying that he was later elected archbishop of Reims, but resigned after the death of his brother in order to marry, and had a single daughter[331]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in 1108 that the election of "Gervasii filii comitis Hugonis Reitestensis" was annulled and "Radulfum prepositum" ordained "in Remensem archiepiscopum"[332]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Rethel. A charter dated 1115 records absolution granted to "Manasses filius Hugonis comitis" and "eo…mortuo" to "Gervasius frater eiusdem"[333].
     "m ([1120/22]) as her first husband, ELISABETH de Namur, daughter of GODEFROY I Comte de Namur & his first wife Sibylle de Château-Porcien. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Elizabeth filiam comitis Godefridi Namucensis" as wife of "frater…Balduini de Burgo Gervasius" (recording that he resigned as archbishop of Reims and married), specifying that her mother was "Sibilla filia comitis Rogeri Porcensis", and recording her second marriage with "Clarembaldus de Roseto" and their children "Raynaldum…Rogerum..episcopus Laudunensis…et sorores eius…Aeliz de Cimeco, altera Alfelisia que ex nobili viro Philippo de Altaripa genuit Mathildem quam habuit Windus Doiscenus [Doische, Namur, Philippeville?] et de Erpens [Erpent, Namur?]"[334]. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the two sisters of "Alidem…Godefridi comitis Namurcensis et Ermesendis comitisse filiam" as "una [uxor] dominus de Roseto, alia [uxor] domino de Spinoit", in a later passage clarifying that the two sisters were daughters of "Henrici comitis" by his first wife[335]. She married secondly (before 1129) Clarembaud Seigneur de Rozoy."
Med Lands cites:
[331] William of Tyre, XII.I, pp. 511-2.
[332] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1108, MGH SS XXIII, p. 817.
[333] Jolibois (1847), Notes et documents, IV, p. 195.
[334] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1116, MGH SS XXIII, p. 822.
[335] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, pp. 507 and 508.3


; Per Genealogics:
     “Gervase was the third son of Hugues I, comte de Réthel, and Mélisende de Monthléry. He was destined for a career in the Church, and in 1107 he was appointed archbishop of Rheims by Philippe I, king of France, instead of Raoul le Verd, dean of the cathedral chapter at Rheims, who had been elected by the chapter. He was deposed and condemned by the Council of Troyes on 23 May 1107.
     “Shortly after 1115 his older brother Manassès died, and his second brother Baudouin, having accompanied his cousin Godfrey of Bouillon on the First Crusade, had established himself in 1099 as count of Edessa and renounced his claim to the county of Réthel. Gervase became the heir to the county and succeeded his father on 28 December 1118.
     “With his wife Elisabeth de Namur, daughter of Godefroid, comte de Namur, and his first wife Sibil de Porcean, he had a daughter Melicent who would have progeny with both her husbands Robert de Marmion, sire de Fontenay-le-Marmion, and Richard de Camville, of Stanton.
     “Gervase died about 1124, and his widow married Clarembaud, sire de Rozoy. Gervase's sister Mathilde, married to Eudes, châtelain de Vitry, succeeded him. Her husband became comte de Réthel in her right.”.8 GAV-25 EDV-25 GKJ-25.

; This is the same person as:
”Gervais, Count of Rethel” at Wikipedia and as
”Gervais de Rethel” at Wikipédia (Fr.)15,16

; Per Racines et Histoire (Rethel): “Gervais de Rethel ° ~1075/82 + avant 1124 Archevêque de Reims puis comte de Rethel (1118)
     ép. 1120/22 Elisabeth de Namur ° 1092 (fille de Godefroi 1er, comte de Namur, et de Sibylle de Château-Porcien ; ép. 2) avant 1131 Clarambaud ou Clérembaud de Rosoy ° ~1100 + 1141 ou 1158 ?)”.9

; Per Genealogy.EU (Rethel Family): “A2. Gervais, Cte de Rethel, *1075, +1124; m.Elizabeth de Namur (*after 1087)”.17

; Per Racines et Histoire (Namur): “1) Elisabeth de Namur ° 1092
     ép. 1) ~1087 Gervais de Rethel ° 1075/80 + 1124 comte de Rethel (fils d’Hugues 1er, comte de Rethel, et de Mélisende de Montlhéry)
     ép. 2) avant 1131 Clarembaud de Rosoy + avant 1158”.18

; Per Med Lands:
     "ELISABETH de Namur (-after 1148). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Elizabeth filiam comitis Godefridi Namucensis" as wife of "frater…Balduini de Burgo Gervasius" (recording that he resigned as archbishop of Reims and married), specifying that her mother was "Sibilla filia comitis Rogeri Porcensis", and recording her second marriage with "Clarembaldus de Roseto" and their children "Raynaldum…Rogerum..episcopus Laudunensis…et sorores eius…Aeliz de Cimeco, altera Alfelisia que ex nobili viro Philippo de Altaripa genuit Mathildem quam habuit Windus Doiscenus [Doische, Namur, Philippeville?] et de Erpens [Erpent, Namur?]"[108]. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the two sisters of "Alidem…Godefridi comitis Namurcensis et Ermesendis comitisse filiam" as "una [uxor] dominus de Roseto, alia [uxor] domino de Spinoit", in a later passage clarifying that the two sisters were daughters of "Henrici comitis" by his first wife[109]. "Gofridus...de Ribodi-monte et Ansellus filius eius, Henricus comes [...Novi-castri], Clarembaudus et Elisabeth uxor eius" founded the monastery of Signy "in territorio Signiacensi et apud sanctum Petrum super Veel, Libercei, Membiis, Drezia et Harlivilla", and confirmed the donations of land “in...Roseto” by “Clarembaldus” by charter dated 1135[110]. Barthélemy records that, after the death of Roger Comte de Porcien, Henri [I] Comte de Grandpré inherited part of his assets “qui forma le fief de Château-Porcien” and as such confirmed donations made by his predecessors to Cuissy by charter dated 1134 and together with “la petite-fille de Roger qui avait épousé Clérembaud de Rosoy” donated Notre-Dame de Château-Porcien to Reims Saint-Nicaise by charter dated 1148[111].
     "m firstly GERVAIS Comte de Rethel, son of HUGUES Comte de Rethel & his wife Mélisende de Montlhéry (-1124).
     "m secondly (before 1131) CLAREMBAUD de Rozoy, son of --- (-before 1158)."
Med Lands cites:
[108] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1116, MGH SS XXIII, p. 822.
[109] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, pp. 507 and 508.
[110] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XXXIX, col. 41.
[111] Barthélemy ‘Grandpré’ (1880), Tome 9, p. 98.14


; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 2): “F1. [1m.] Elizabeth de Namur; 1m: Cte Gervais de Rethel (+1124); 2m: Clarembaud de Rosoy”.19 He was Archbishop of Reims between 1106 and 1106.15 He was Cote de Rethel between 1118 and 1124.15

Family

Elizabeth (?) de Namur b. a 1087, d. a 1148
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gervase: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027109&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rethel 1 page - Rethel family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#GervaisRetheldiedbefore1124. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I10765
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076235&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#HuguesIRetheldied1118
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hugues Ier de Rethel: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugues_Ier_de_Rethel. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gervase: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027109&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes deRethel, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Rethel.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mélisende de Monthléry: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076236&tree=LEO
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rethel 1 page - Rethel family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Namur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027108&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Elisabeth1141M1GervaisRethelM2
  15. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gervais,_Count_of_Rethel. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  16. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Gervais de Rethel: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gervais_de_Rethel
  17. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rethel Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  18. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Namur, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Namur.pdf
  19. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milicent de Rethel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199646&tree=LEO

Elizabeth (?) de Namur1,2

F, #17927, b. after 1087, d. after 1148
FatherGodfrey/Godefroid (?) Comte de Namur et de Comte de Château-Porcien3,2,4,5,6 b. c 1069, d. 19 Aug 1139
MotherSibylle de Porcean7,2,5,6 b. c 1065
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited29 Jun 2020
     Elizabeth (?) de Namur was born after 1087 at England.8 She married Gervais/Gervase de Rethel Comte de Rethel, son of Hugues I (?) Comte de Rethel and Mélisende de Montlhéry, between 1120 and 1122;
Her 1st husband; Med Lands says m. 1120/22.2,9,5,6,10,11 Elizabeth (?) de Namur married Clarembaud (?) Seigneur de Rozoy, son of Gerard (?) Seigneur de Rozoy, on 1 February 1131;
Her 2nd husband. Genealogics says m. bef 01 Feb 1131; Med Lands says m. bef 1129.2,12,13,5,6
Elizabeth (?) de Namur died after 1148.6
     ; Per Racines et Histoire (Rethel): “Gervais de Rethel ° ~1075/82 + avant 1124 Archevêque de Reims puis comte de Rethel (1118)
     ép. 1120/22 Elisabeth de Namur ° 1092 (fille de Godefroi 1er, comte de Namur, et de Sibylle de Château-Porcien ; ép. 2) avant 1131 Clarambaud ou Clérembaud de Rosoy ° ~1100 + 1141 ou 1158 ?)”.14

; Per Genealogy.EU (Rethel Family): “A2. Gervais, Cte de Rethel, *1075, +1124; m.Elizabeth de Namur (*after 1087)”.15 GAV-25 EDV-25 GKJ-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 68.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 199.5
Elizabeth (?) de Namur was also known as Elizabeth (Isabel) of Namur.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Namur): “1) Elisabeth de Namur ° 1092
     ép. 1) ~1087 Gervais de Rethel ° 1075/80 + 1124 comte de Rethel (fils d’Hugues 1er, comte de Rethel, et de Mélisende de Montlhéry)
     ép. 2) avant 1131 Clarembaud de Rosoy + avant 1158”.16

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 2): “F1. [1m.] Elizabeth de Namur; 1m: Cte Gervais de Rethel (+1124); 2m: Clarembaud de Rosoy”.17

; Per Med Lands:
     "ELISABETH de Namur (-after 1148). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Elizabeth filiam comitis Godefridi Namucensis" as wife of "frater…Balduini de Burgo Gervasius" (recording that he resigned as archbishop of Reims and married), specifying that her mother was "Sibilla filia comitis Rogeri Porcensis", and recording her second marriage with "Clarembaldus de Roseto" and their children "Raynaldum…Rogerum..episcopus Laudunensis…et sorores eius…Aeliz de Cimeco, altera Alfelisia que ex nobili viro Philippo de Altaripa genuit Mathildem quam habuit Windus Doiscenus [Doische, Namur, Philippeville?] et de Erpens [Erpent, Namur?]"[108]. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the two sisters of "Alidem…Godefridi comitis Namurcensis et Ermesendis comitisse filiam" as "una [uxor] dominus de Roseto, alia [uxor] domino de Spinoit", in a later passage clarifying that the two sisters were daughters of "Henrici comitis" by his first wife[109]. "Gofridus...de Ribodi-monte et Ansellus filius eius, Henricus comes [...Novi-castri], Clarembaudus et Elisabeth uxor eius" founded the monastery of Signy "in territorio Signiacensi et apud sanctum Petrum super Veel, Libercei, Membiis, Drezia et Harlivilla", and confirmed the donations of land “in...Roseto” by “Clarembaldus” by charter dated 1135[110]. Barthélemy records that, after the death of Roger Comte de Porcien, Henri [I] Comte de Grandpré inherited part of his assets “qui forma le fief de Château-Porcien” and as such confirmed donations made by his predecessors to Cuissy by charter dated 1134 and together with “la petite-fille de Roger qui avait épousé Clérembaud de Rosoy” donated Notre-Dame de Château-Porcien to Reims Saint-Nicaise by charter dated 1148[111].
     "m firstly GERVAIS Comte de Rethel, son of HUGUES Comte de Rethel & his wife Mélisende de Montlhéry (-1124).
     "m secondly (before 1131) CLAREMBAUD de Rozoy, son of --- (-before 1158)."
Med Lands cites:
[108] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1116, MGH SS XXIII, p. 822.
[109] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, pp. 507 and 508.
[110] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XXXIX, col. 41.
[111] Barthélemy ‘Grandpré’ (1880), Tome 9, p. 98.6


; Per Med Lands:
     "CLAREMBAUD de Rozoy (-before 1158). Seigneur de Rozoy. “Clérembaud et sa femme seigneurs de Rozoy” consented to donations “situés à Pommereux et à Moranzy, commune d’Agnicourt” to Laon Saint-Martin by charter dated 1129[737]. The Breve Chronicon Buciliensis records that “Clarembaldus de Roseto” donated property to Bucilly in 1135[738]. "Gofridus...de Ribodi-monte et Ansellus filius eius, Henricus comes [...Novi-castri], Clarembaudus et Elisabeth uxor eius" founded the monastery of Signy "in territorio Signiacensi et apud sanctum Petrum super Veel, Libercei, Membiis, Drezia et Harlivilla", and confirmed the donations of land “in...Roseto” by “Clarembaldus” by charter dated 1135[739]. The bishop of Laon confirmed donations made to Tournai Saint-Martin by “Clarembaldus de Roseto” in compensation for damage caused, for the souls of himself “et filii sui Roberti”, by charter dated 1142[740].
     "m (before 1129) as her second husband, ELISABETH de Namur, widow of GERVAIS Comte de Rethel, daughter of GODEFROY I Comte de Namur & his first wife Sibylle de Château-Porcien (-after 1148). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Elizabeth filiam comitis Godefridi Namucensis" as wife of "frater…Balduini de Burgo Gervasius" (recording that he resigned as archbishop of Reims and married), specifying that her mother was "Sibilla filia comitis Rogeri Porcensis", and recording her second marriage with "Clarembaldus de Roseto" and their children "Raynaldum…Rogerum..episcopus Laudunensis…et sorores eius…Aeliz de Cimeco, altera Alfelisia que ex nobili viro Philippo de Altaripa genuit Mathildem quam habuit Windus Doiscenus [Doische, Namur, Philippeville?] et de Erpens [Erpent, Namur?]"[741]. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the two sisters of "Alidem…Godefridi comitis Namurcensis et Ermesendis comitisse filiam" as "una [uxor] dominus de Roseto, alia [uxor] domino de Spinoit", in a later passage clarifying that the two sisters were daughters of "Henrici comitis" by his first wife[742]. “Clérembaud et sa femme seigneurs de Rozoy” consented to donations “situés à Pommereux et à Moranzy, commune d’Agnicourt” to Laon Saint-Martin by charter dated 1129[743]. "Gofridus...de Ribodi-monte et Ansellus filius eius, Henricus comes [...Novi-castri], Clarembaudus et Elisabeth uxor eius" founded the monastery of Signy "in territorio Signiacensi et apud sanctum Petrum super Veel, Libercei, Membiis, Drezia et Harlivilla", and confirmed the donations of land “in...Roseto” by “Clarembaldus” by charter dated 1135[744]. Barthélemy records that, after the death of Roger Comte de Porcien, Henri [I] Comte de Grandpré inherited part of his assets “qui forma le fief de Château-Porcien” and as such confirmed donations made by his predecessors to Cuissy by charter dated 1134 and together with “la petite-fille de Roger qui avait épousé Clérembaud de Rosoy” donated Notre-Dame de Château-Porcien to Reims Saint-Nicaise by charter dated 1148[745]."
Med Lands cites:
[737] Martin (1863), Tome I, p. 222, citing Cartulaire de Laon Saint-Martin, Tome II, p. 209.
[738] Breve Chronicon Buciliensis, p. 9.
[739] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XXXIX, col. 41.
[740] Tournai Saint-Martin, Tome 1, 57, p. 60.
[741] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1116, MGH SS XXIII, p. 822.
[742] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, pp. 507 and 508.
[743] Martin (1863), Tome I, p. 222, citing Cartulaire de Laon Saint-Martin, Tome II, p. 209.
[744] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XXXIX, col. 41.
[745] Barthélemy ‘Grandpré’ (1880), Tome 9, p. 98.13
She was living in 1141; Mentioned.5

Family 1

Gervais/Gervase de Rethel Comte de Rethel b. 1075, d. c 1124
Child

Citations

  1. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I12194
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godefroid: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027095&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Godefroidied1139. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Namur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027108&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Elisabeth1141M1GervaisRethelM2
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibil de Porcean: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027099&tree=LEO
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rethel 1 page - Rethel family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rethel 1 page - Rethel family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gervase: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027109&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#GervaisRetheldiedbefore1124
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clarembaud: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027110&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#ClarembaudRozoydiedbefore1158
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes deRethel, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Rethel.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  15. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rethel Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel1.html
  16. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Namur, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Namur.pdf
  17. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milicent de Rethel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199646&tree=LEO
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Renaud de Rozoy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027112&tree=LEO

Milon I de Monthléry Seigneur de la Ferte1,2,3

M, #17928, b. circa 979
FatherGui (?) seigneur de La Ferté-Milon3
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited1 Apr 2020
     Milon I de Monthléry Seigneur de la Ferte married NN de Montlhéry, daughter of Thibault 'File-étoupe' de Montlhéry seigneur de Bray-sur-Seine, et 1er seigneur de Montlhéry, Forestier du Roi.4 Milon I de Monthléry Seigneur de la Ferte was born circa 979.1
     GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28.

Reference: Genealgocis Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 624.5

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Milon 1er de Monthléry dit «de Bray» + après 1034 dès 1065 seigneur de Montlhéry (91) et de Bray-sur-Seine (77) (cité en 1031, 1034 et 1057) ? de Bray épouse ~1010"
See attached diagram from Racines et Histoires.3 Milon I de Monthléry Seigneur de la Ferte was also known as Milon de Monteleherico.6 He was living between 1034 and 1057.2,5

Family 1

Child

Citations

  1. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I13744
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Monthlery page ("Family de Monthléry"): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/mtlery.html#M2
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Montlhéry Bray-sur-Seine, La Ferté-Milon, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Montlhery.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I13094
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon de Monteleherico: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076103&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon de Monteleherico: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076103&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gui I de Monthléry: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106272&tree=LEO

NN de Montlhéry1

F, #17929, b. circa 985
FatherThibault 'File-étoupe' de Montlhéry seigneur de Bray-sur-Seine, et 1er seigneur de Montlhéry, Forestier du Roi2 b. 970, d. 1031
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited31 May 2020
     NN de Montlhéry married Milon I de Monthléry Seigneur de la Ferte, son of Gui (?) seigneur de La Ferté-Milon.1 NN de Montlhéry was born circa 985.1
     ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Thibault de Montlhéry “File-étoupe” ° ~970 +1031 seigneur de Bray-sur-Seine (77) et 1er seigneur de Montlhéry (07/991), Forestier du Roi Robert II (2ème fils de Bouchard 1er de Montmorency) ép. ?"
     Racines et Histoire shows a dau. "? de Bray" m. Milon I Monthléry dit 'de Bray'.
See attached diagram from Racines et Histoires.3

; ED MANN INET1197@atlantic.net Medieval list.4 GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28. NN de Montlhéry was also known as NN de Bray.3

Citations

  1. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I13094
  2. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I10278
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Montlhéry Bray-sur-Seine, La Ferté-Milon, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Montlhery.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001.

Ansaud II "Le Riche" (?)1

M, #17930, b. circa 940, d. after 1016
FatherAnsaud I 'Le Riche' (?) Vicomte d'Auxerre2,3 b. c 910
MotherRaingarde (?) de Dijon4 b. bt 895 - 915, d. 958
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited31 May 2020
     Ansaud II "Le Riche" (?) married Reitrude (?)5 Ansaud II "Le Riche" (?) was born circa 940 at France.1
Ansaud II "Le Riche" (?) died after 1016.1
     Reference: Royalty for Commoners-Stuart-2nd edition-GPC.5 GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30.

Reitrude (?)1

F, #17931, b. between 940 and 945
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited25 Feb 2003
     Reitrude (?) married Ansaud II "Le Riche" (?), son of Ansaud I 'Le Riche' (?) Vicomte d'Auxerre and Raingarde (?) de Dijon.1 Reitrude (?) was born between 940 and 945.1
     GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30. Reitrude (?) was also known as Reintrende (?)1

Ansaud I 'Le Riche' (?) Vicomte d'Auxerre1,2

M, #17932, b. circa 910
FatherLisiar (?) Seigneur de Scheaux2 d. a 941
ReferenceGAV30 EDV30
Last Edited31 May 2020
     Ansaud I 'Le Riche' (?) Vicomte d'Auxerre married Raingarde (?) de Dijon, daughter of Raoul (?) Comte de Dijon and Raingarde (?).3,2 Ansaud I 'Le Riche' (?) Vicomte d'Auxerre was born circa 910.1
     GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

; Gordon Banks cites: Marlyn Lewis, The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York (Arvada, CO: HT Communications, 1999).2

Family

Raingarde (?) de Dijon b. bt 895 - 915, d. 958
Child

Raingarde (?) de Dijon1

F, #17933, b. between 895 and 915, d. 958
FatherRaoul (?) Comte de Dijon2,3 b. bt 859 - 885
MotherRaingarde (?)4 d. 958
ReferenceGAV30 EDV30
Last Edited9 Apr 2004
     Raingarde (?) de Dijon married Ansaud I 'Le Riche' (?) Vicomte d'Auxerre, son of Lisiar (?) Seigneur de Scheaux.1,3 Raingarde (?) de Dijon was born between 895 and 915 at Dijon, Departement de la Côte-d'Or, Bourgogne, France.1
Raingarde (?) de Dijon died in 958.1
     ; Royalty for Commoners-Stuart-2nd edition-GPC.1 GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

Family

Ansaud I 'Le Riche' (?) Vicomte d'Auxerre b. c 910
Child

Raoul (?) Comte de Dijon1,2

M, #17934, b. between 859 and 885
ReferenceGAV30 EDV31
Last Edited19 Oct 2019
     Raoul (?) Comte de Dijon married Raingarde (?)3 Raoul (?) Comte de Dijon was born between 859 and 885.1
     GAV-30 EDV-31 GKJ-32.

; Gordon Banks cites: Marlyn Lewis, The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York (Arvada, CO: HT Communications, 1999).2

Family 1

Raingarde (?) d. 958
Children

Family 2

Child

Eudes/Odo I (?) Comte de Châteaudun, de Troyes et de Blois1

M, #17935, b. 829, d. 1 August 871
FatherRutpert/Robert III (?) Count in Wormsgau and Oberrheinsgau2,3,4,1 b. 800, d. b 19 Feb 834
MotherWaldrada/Wiltrud (?)3,5,1 b. 801
Last Edited20 Aug 2020
     Eudes/Odo I (?) Comte de Châteaudun, de Troyes et de Blois married Wandilmonde (?) of Worms, daughter of Aleran (?) Count of Worms.6,3,1 Eudes/Odo I (?) Comte de Châteaudun, de Troyes et de Blois was born in 829.7
Eudes/Odo I (?) Comte de Châteaudun, de Troyes et de Blois died on 1 August 871; Boyer says d. aft 856; Med Lands and Racines et Histoire say d. 1 Aug 871.8,9,3,1
     ; This is the same person as ”Odo I, Count of Troyes” at Wikipedia and as ”Eudes Ier de Troyes (Robertien)” at Wikipédia (FR).3,10 Eudes/Odo I (?) Comte de Châteaudun, de Troyes et de Blois was also known as Odo I (?) Count of Troyes and Count of Châteaudun.3 Eudes/Odo I (?) Comte de Châteaudun, de Troyes et de Blois was also known as Eudes (?) Count of Troyes.7

; Per Racines et Histoire (Blois-Chartres): “Eudes (Odo) + 01/08/871 ? peut-être frère de Robert «Le Fort» (E. de S.-Ph) comte de Châteaudun puis de Troyes, sans doute comte de Blois (dès 07/858, comme missus royal) (cité dès 852/59 et 866/70 ; charte royale 03/07/851 pour échanges de terres à Angers ; chartes royale 11/853 et 25/04/854/55 pour l’Abbaye de Montéramey ; charte 21/03/858)
     ép. ?”.9

; Per Med Lands:
     "EUDES [Odo], son of [RODBERT Graf im Wormsgau & his wife Wiltrud] (-1 Aug 871). René Merlet suggests that Eudes was the brother of Robert "le Fort", ancestor of the Capetian dynasty, tracing what appears to be the parallel development of their careers[572]. If this is correct, the chronology suggests that Eudes must have been the older brother. Comte de Châteaudun. Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks restored property to Hincmar Archbishop of Reims which he had previously granted to his supporters, including property granted to "…Odo comes…", by charter dated 1 Oct 845[573]. "Le comte Eudes et sa femme Guandilmode" donated property "dans le Dunois, dans la viguerie de Châteaudun…villa Mauro, sur le Loir" to Saint-Martin de Tours by charter dated May 846[574]. Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks granted property "in pago Otininse in villam Novientum" to "Odonem…comitem atque Ministerialem nostrum", by charter dated 11 Oct 849[575]. 852/59 and 866/70. "Karolus…rex" authorised "Dodo…Andecavorum episcopus" and "Odo comes" to exchange land at Angers by charter dated 3 Jul 851[576]. A document issued by Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks dated Nov 853 names "Wenilo episcopus, Odo et Donatus" as missi in "pago Senonico, Trecasino, Wasteniso, Miliduniso, Morviso, Proviniso, et ini tribus Arcisisis et in duobus Brionensis"[577]. Comte de Troyes: "Karolus…rex" named "Odo…comes [et] predecessoris sui Aledramni…comitis ex comitatu Tricasino" in a charter dated 25 Apr 854 or 855 relating to the abbey of Montéramey[578]. A document of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks dated 21 Mar 858 is subscribed by "Hungarius, Engilramnus, Isembardus, Odo, Osbertus, Ratbodus, Hunfridus, Odalricus, Rhodulfus, Engilschalcus, Herluinus, Hitto"[579]. Comte de Blois. The Annales Fuldenses name "Adalhartus abbas et Oto comes" as missi "ab occidente" in Jul 858[580], the editor of the compilation suggesting that "Oto" was "comes Blesensis"[581]. Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks confirmed a donation of property "quod…Odo…comes…prædecessoris sui Aledranni quondam…comes…ex comitatu Tricassino" to "mon. Arremarensi", by charter dated 25 Apr 864[582]. The Annales Bertiniani name "Rodbertus et Odo" (the former identified as Robert "le Fort") as "præfecti" in the Seine valley area in 866 when recording that they repelled the Vikings who had sailed up river as far as "castrum Milidunum"[583].
     "m (before May 846) WANDILMODIS, daughter of ---. "Le comte Eudes et sa femme Guandilmode" donated property "dans le Dunois, dans la viguerie de Châteaudun…villa Mauro, sur le Loir" to Saint-Martin de Tours by charter dated May 846[584]. "Odo comes et uxor mea Guandilmodis" donated property "in pago Dunensi…et in pago Blesensi" to Marmoutier by charter dated Mar 849, subscribed by "Archambaldi, Burchardi…"[585]. "Boso comes simulque Bernardus comes ad vicem" donated Nogent "in pago Otmense" for the soul of "quondam amici nostri Odonis comitis…uxoris suæ Guendilmodis" to Saint-Martin-des-Tours by charter dated 871 after 21 Jun[586]. Jackman suggests that she was the daughter of Count Aledram [I] of Troyes[587]."
Med Lands cites:
[572] Merlet, R. ‘Origine de Robert le Fort’, Mélanges Julien Havet (Paris, 1895), pp. 106-7.
[573] RHGF VIII, Diplomata, LV, p. 478.
[574] Tours Saint-Martin, CI, p. 118.
[575] RHGF VIII, LXXXIX, p. 505.
[576] Angers 9, p. 23.
[577] Karoli II Conventus Silvacensis, Missi…et pagi… 10, MGH LL 1, p. 426.
[578] Montiéramey 2, p. 2.
[579] Karoli II Conventus Carisiaensis acta, MGH LL 1, p. 450.
[580] Annales Fuldensium Pars Secunda, auctore Euodolfo 858, MGH SS I, p. 371.
[581] MGH SS I, p. 371 footnote 42.
[582] RHGF VIII, CLXXXVII, p. 591.
[583] Annales Bertiniani 866, MGH SS I, p. 471.
[584] Tours Saint-Martin CI, p. 118.
[585] Métais, C. (ed.) (1910) Chartes Vendômoises (Vendôme), XVI, p. 22.
[586] Poupardin, R. (ed.) (1920) Recueil des actes des rois de Provence 855-928 (Paris), 15, p. 29, and Tours Saint-Martin CXLV, p. 145.
[587] Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research), p. 123.1
He was Count of Châteaudun between 852 and 871.3 He was Count of Troyes - 1st time between 853 and 858.11 He was Count of Troyes - 2nd time between 866 and 871.11

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Eudesdied871. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_III_of_Worms. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odo_I,_Count_of_Troyes.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#RobertIIIdied834
  5. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldrada_of_Worms
  6. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I13102
  7. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I13101
  8. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 31, BLOIS 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Blois & Chartres (Blois-Champagne), p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Blois-Champagne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  10. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Eudes Ier de Troyes (Robertien): https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudes_Ier_de_Troyes_(Robertien). Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  11. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_Champagne
  12. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_I,_Count_of_Troyes.
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, AQUITAINE, DUKES - COMTES de POITOU [828]-902 (FAMILY of EMENON): http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AQUITAINE.htm#Bernarddied844

Wandilmonde (?) of Worms1

F, #17936, b. before May 846
FatherAleran (?) Count of Worms2,3 b. 799
Last Edited20 Aug 2020
     Wandilmonde (?) of Worms married Eudes/Odo I (?) Comte de Châteaudun, de Troyes et de Blois, son of Rutpert/Robert III (?) Count in Wormsgau and Oberrheinsgau and Waldrada/Wiltrud (?).1,4,3 Wandilmonde (?) of Worms was born before May 846.3
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "EUDES [Odo], son of [RODBERT Graf im Wormsgau & his wife Wiltrud] (-1 Aug 871). René Merlet suggests that Eudes was the brother of Robert "le Fort", ancestor of the Capetian dynasty, tracing what appears to be the parallel development of their careers[572]. If this is correct, the chronology suggests that Eudes must have been the older brother. Comte de Châteaudun. Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks restored property to Hincmar Archbishop of Reims which he had previously granted to his supporters, including property granted to "…Odo comes…", by charter dated 1 Oct 845[573]. "Le comte Eudes et sa femme Guandilmode" donated property "dans le Dunois, dans la viguerie de Châteaudun…villa Mauro, sur le Loir" to Saint-Martin de Tours by charter dated May 846[574]. Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks granted property "in pago Otininse in villam Novientum" to "Odonem…comitem atque Ministerialem nostrum", by charter dated 11 Oct 849[575]. 852/59 and 866/70. "Karolus…rex" authorised "Dodo…Andecavorum episcopus" and "Odo comes" to exchange land at Angers by charter dated 3 Jul 851[576]. A document issued by Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks dated Nov 853 names "Wenilo episcopus, Odo et Donatus" as missi in "pago Senonico, Trecasino, Wasteniso, Miliduniso, Morviso, Proviniso, et ini tribus Arcisisis et in duobus Brionensis"[577]. Comte de Troyes: "Karolus…rex" named "Odo…comes [et] predecessoris sui Aledramni…comitis ex comitatu Tricasino" in a charter dated 25 Apr 854 or 855 relating to the abbey of Montéramey[578]. A document of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks dated 21 Mar 858 is subscribed by "Hungarius, Engilramnus, Isembardus, Odo, Osbertus, Ratbodus, Hunfridus, Odalricus, Rhodulfus, Engilschalcus, Herluinus, Hitto"[579]. Comte de Blois. The Annales Fuldenses name "Adalhartus abbas et Oto comes" as missi "ab occidente" in Jul 858[580], the editor of the compilation suggesting that "Oto" was "comes Blesensis"[581]. Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks confirmed a donation of property "quod…Odo…comes…prædecessoris sui Aledranni quondam…comes…ex comitatu Tricassino" to "mon. Arremarensi", by charter dated 25 Apr 864[582]. The Annales Bertiniani name "Rodbertus et Odo" (the former identified as Robert "le Fort") as "præfecti" in the Seine valley area in 866 when recording that they repelled the Vikings who had sailed up river as far as "castrum Milidunum"[583].
     "m (before May 846) WANDILMODIS, daughter of ---. "Le comte Eudes et sa femme Guandilmode" donated property "dans le Dunois, dans la viguerie de Châteaudun…villa Mauro, sur le Loir" to Saint-Martin de Tours by charter dated May 846[584]. "Odo comes et uxor mea Guandilmodis" donated property "in pago Dunensi…et in pago Blesensi" to Marmoutier by charter dated Mar 849, subscribed by "Archambaldi, Burchardi…"[585]. "Boso comes simulque Bernardus comes ad vicem" donated Nogent "in pago Otmense" for the soul of "quondam amici nostri Odonis comitis…uxoris suæ Guendilmodis" to Saint-Martin-des-Tours by charter dated 871 after 21 Jun[586]. Jackman suggests that she was the daughter of Count Aledram [I] of Troyes[587]."
Med Lands cites:
[572] Merlet, R. ‘Origine de Robert le Fort’, Mélanges Julien Havet (Paris, 1895), pp. 106-7.
[573] RHGF VIII, Diplomata, LV, p. 478.
[574] Tours Saint-Martin, CI, p. 118.
[575] RHGF VIII, LXXXIX, p. 505.
[576] Angers 9, p. 23.
[577] Karoli II Conventus Silvacensis, Missi…et pagi… 10, MGH LL 1, p. 426.
[578] Montiéramey 2, p. 2.
[579] Karoli II Conventus Carisiaensis acta, MGH LL 1, p. 450.
[580] Annales Fuldensium Pars Secunda, auctore Euodolfo 858, MGH SS I, p. 371.
[581] MGH SS I, p. 371 footnote 42.
[582] RHGF VIII, CLXXXVII, p. 591.
[583] Annales Bertiniani 866, MGH SS I, p. 471.
[584] Tours Saint-Martin CI, p. 118.
[585] Métais, C. (ed.) (1910) Chartes Vendômoises (Vendôme), XVI, p. 22.
[586] Poupardin, R. (ed.) (1920) Recueil des actes des rois de Provence 855-928 (Paris), 15, p. 29, and Tours Saint-Martin CXLV, p. 145.
[587] Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research), p. 123.3


; Per Racines et Histoire (Blois-Chartres): “Eudes (Odo) + 01/08/871 ? peut-être frère de Robert «Le Fort» (E. de S.-Ph) comte de Châteaudun puis de Troyes, sans doute comte de Blois (dès 07/858, comme missus royal) (cité dès 852/59 et 866/70 ; charte royale 03/07/851 pour échanges de terres à Angers ; chartes royale 11/853 et 25/04/854/55 pour l’Abbaye de Montéramey ; charte 21/03/858)
     ép. ?”.5 Wandilmonde (?) of Worms was also known as Wandilmodis (?)4,3

Citations

  1. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I13102
  2. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I13104
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Eudesdied871. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odo_I,_Count_of_Troyes. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Blois & Chartres (Blois-Champagne), p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Blois-Champagne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odo_II,_Count_of_Troyes.
  7. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_I,_Count_of_Troyes.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, AQUITAINE, DUKES - COMTES de POITOU [828]-902 (FAMILY of EMENON): http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AQUITAINE.htm#Bernarddied844

Aleran (?) Count of Worms1

M, #17937, b. 799
Last Edited20 Aug 2020
     Aleran (?) Count of Worms was born in 799.1
     Aleran (?) Count of Worms was also known as Aledram I (?) Comte de Troyes.2

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I13104
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Eudesdied871. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Guigin (?) Count of Soissons1

M, #17938, b. circa 799
Last Edited5 Nov 2019
     Guigin (?) Count of Soissons married (?) (?) of Orleans, daughter of Adrian (?) Count of Orléans and Waldrada (?).2 Guigin (?) Count of Soissons was born circa 799.1

Family

(?) (?) of Orleans b. c 805

(?) (?) of Orleans1

F, #17939, b. circa 805
FatherAdrian (?) Count of Orléans2 b. c 755, d. b Nov 821
MotherWaldrada (?)3 b. c 774, d. a 824
Last Edited5 Nov 2019
     (?) (?) of Orleans married Guigin (?) Count of Soissons.1 (?) (?) of Orleans was born circa 805 at Orleans, Departement du Loiret, Centre, France.1

Adrian (?) Count of Orléans1

M, #17940, b. circa 755, d. before November 821
FatherGerold/Geroud I (?) Graf in Kraichgau, Vintzgau1,2,3 b. c 720, d. bt 784 - 786
MotherImma/Emma (?) of Allemania1,4,3 b. 726, d. bt 786 - 789
ReferenceGAV31
Last Edited16 Sep 2020
     Adrian (?) Count of Orléans married Waldrada (?), daughter of Adalheim (?) of Autun.1 Adrian (?) Count of Orléans was born circa 755.1
Adrian (?) Count of Orléans died before November 821.1
     GAV-31 EDV-32.

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Adrian of Orléans (c. 755-d. before November 821) was a Frankish count. His sister Hildegard of Vinzgouw married Charlemagne; therefore, he was the emperor's brother-in-law and uncle to the next emperor, Louis the Pious.
Parentage
     "He was the son of Gerold of Vinzgau[1] and Emma of Alemannia.
Family
     "He married Waldrada,[1] who may have been a daughter of Wilhelmid Adalhelm of Autun, and had issue:
** Odo I, Count of Orleans (d. aft. 15 Feb 834),[1] who married Engeltrude of Fézensac, daughter of Count Leuthard I of Paris.
** Waldrada who married Robert III of Worms (d. 834), count of the Oberrheingau and the Wormsgau, father of Robert the Strong.[1]

References
1. Le Jan 2003, p. 213.
Sources
** Le Jan, Régine (2003). Famille et pouvoir dans le monde franc (VIIe-Xe siècle) (in French). Publications de la Sorbonne."


Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
     "Adrien d'Orléans1 est un comte franc, mort avant novembre 821. Sa sœur Hildegarde de Vintzgau épousa Charlemagne et comme beau-frère de l'empereur, il en fut un proche.
Ascendance
     "Comte d'Orléans, comte palatin, il est le fils de Gérold Ier de Vintzgau et d'Emma d'Alémanie.
Descendance
     "Il épouse Waldrade qui serait peut-être une fille du guilhemide Alleaume d'Autun dont sont issus :
** Eudes, comte d'Orléans (mort après le 15 février 834), qui épouse Engeltrude de Fézensac, fille du comte Leuthard Ier de Paris ;
** Waldrade qui épouse Robert III de Hesbaye (mort en 834), comte de l'Oberrheingau et de Wormsgau, père de Robert le Fort.

Notes et références
1. (en) Charles Cawley, « Swabia, nobility » [archive], sur Medieval Lands, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, 2006-2016."1 Adrian (?) Count of Orléans was also known as Hadrian (?) Lord of Wormgau.5 Adrian (?) Count of Orléans was also known as Hadrian (?) Count of Orleans.6

Family

Waldrada (?) b. c 774, d. a 824
Children

Citations

  1. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian,_Count_of_Orl%C3%A9ans. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerold I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020007&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#GeroldUdalrichingerMImma. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Imma|Emma: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020008&tree=LEO
  5. [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I08903
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet1.html
  7. [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I15162
  8. [S4805] Royaume Europe, online <https://royaumeurope.wordpress.com/>, de Orléans: https://royaumeurope.wordpress.com/comte/orleans/. Hereinafter cited as Royaume Europe.
  9. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Eudes d'Orléans: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudes_d%27Orl%C3%A9ans. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet2.html
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#WiltrudMRobertIII