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1. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938. 1680.
2. Burke's Landed Gentry of Great Britain The Kingdom of Scotland 19th Edition, Volume 1, 2001. 1315.
3. The Swintons of that Ilk and their Cadets. 1883 , Swinton, Archibald Campbell. 10-21.
4. The Baronage of Scotland Edinburgh, 1798 , Douglas, Sir Robert. 128-9.
5. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry, London, 1939. 2193.¹

II.1 Manasses I, Comte de Réthel m. Judith de Roucy
II.2 Manasses II, Comte de Réthel m. Judith b. Est 1020
II.3 Hugues I, Comte de Réthel

III.1 Manasses I, Comte de Réthel d. aft 989 m. Oradela de Castres
III.2 Manasses II, Comte de Réthel b. 942/960 d. aft 1026 m. Dada
(unclear relation to Manasses III, possibly grandson)
III.3 Manasses III, Comte de Réthel m. Judith, one of three possible women:
(1) JUDITH [de Roucy, daughter of --- & his wife ---]. Given the estimated birth date of Judith, wife of Comte Manassès, as shown above, it is chronologically impossible for her to have been the daughter of Giselbert Comte de Roucy, who died in the last years of the 10th century. However, it is not impossible that she was the uterine half-sister of Ebles Comte de Roucy, assuming that their mother remarried after the death of her husband Giselbert.
(2) [IDA] [de Boulogne, daughter of EUSTACHE I Comte de Boulogne & his wife Mathilde de Louvain.]
(3) [JUDITH] of Lotharingia, daughter of GODEFROI "le Barbu" Duke of Lower Lotharingia & his first wife Doda ---
III.4 Hugues, Comte de Réthel

IV.1 Menasses I, Ct de Rethel, *935, +after 974; m.Odélie (*940)
IV.2 Menasses II, Ct de Rethel, *965, +990; 1m: Yvette de Roucy (*976/985); 2m: 1026 Dada N
IV.3 Menasses III, Ct de Rethel, *990, +1056, fl 1081; m.Judith de Roucy (his mother younger sister) (*990 +? 1081
IV.4 Hugues I, Cte de Rethel, *1030

R&H Variant I:
V.I.1 Manasses I de Réthel, Ct de Réthel , +after 989
V.I.2 Manasses II de Réthel , Ct de Réthel m: 1026 Dada N
R&H Variant II:
V.II.1 Manasses I d'Omont, (935-aft 989) Ct de Réthel , +after 989
V.II.2 Roger
V.II.3 Manasses II, (965-aft 1026) Ct de Rethel, m Dada/Doda/Yvette de Roucy
V.II.4 Manasses III, (990-1056) Ct de Rethel m. Judith/Ida de Boulogne
V.II.5 Hugues I, Cte de Rethel
Conclusion: In trying to construct a reasonable lineage, I have settled, for the moment, on two unconnected lines, mostly for chronological consistency:
and (with no direct connection):
This is not entirely satisfactory and I continue to research issue. GA Vaut.^4,3,5,6,7,8

; Per Med Lands:
     "MANASSES [I] (-after 989). His parentage is confirmed by the Chronicon Maceriense (a dubious source, as noted below) which records in 941 that "Balthazar Registensis" made peace with Warin and requested the hand in marriage of "Guarino Ordelam" for "Manasse filio"[293]. Flodoard's Annals record that in 960 "Manasse nepote domni Artoldi præsulis" captured traitors at "Altmontem castrum"[294]. The Annales Hanoniæ name "Manicerius Regitestensis dominus" as son of "ex filiabus Walterici ducis Alsassie Alboinis filius comitis Hainauci"[295], which appears to be pure fantasy. "Manasses miles" is named in a charter dated 6 Nov 972[296]. "Manasses" subscribed a charter dated 26 May 974[297]. Gerbert d'Aurillac names "Mann[asse]s comes" in a letter dated to end Aug 988[298]. Richer records that "Manasse et Rotgerus" invaded the sanctuary "cum Karolo urbis Remorum…sanctæ Dei genitricis Mariæ basilicam" in 989[299]. Comte d'Omont. Comte de Rethel. Comte de Castres, Comte de Mézières: the Chronicon Maceriense records the death in 960 of "Guarinus sine progenie", adding that "comitatum Castriensem et Macerias" was inherited by "Manasses Registetensis comes ex Ordela uxore Guarini filia"[300].
     "m (941) ORDELA de Castres, daughter of WARIN Comte de Castres & his second wife Gilla de Dormois. The Chronicon Maceriense records in 941 that "Balthazar Registensis" made peace with Warin and requested the hand in marriage of "Guarino Ordelam" for "Manasse [filio"[301]. It should be noted the authenticity of this document has been contested by both Wattenbach and Longnon in Germany and France respectively[302]. The information contained in this source should therefore be treated with extreme caution.]"
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; Per Med Lands:
     "ORDELA . The Chronicon Maceriense records in 941 that "Balthazar Registensis" made peace with Warin and requested the hand in marriage of "Guarino Ordelam" for "Manasse filio"[348]. As noted above, this source should be treated with extreme caution.
     "m (941) MANASSES [I] de Rethel, son of BERNARD [Balthasar] Comte de Rethel & his wife --- (-after 989).]"
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