Guillemette de Montpellier1

F, #61981, d. after October 1200
FatherGuillaume VII de Montpellier Sire de Montpellier & Montferrier1,2,3 b. c 1131, d. b May 1173
MotherMatilda/Mathilde de Bourgogne Dame de Montferrier1,4,3 b. c 1130, d. b 29 Sep 1172
Last Edited20 Dec 2020
     Guillemette de Montpellier married Raymond I d'Anduze Sire de Roquefeuil, son of Bertrand d'Anduze Sire d'Anduze and Adelais de Roquefeuil, in November 1169.5,1
Guillemette de Montpellier died after October 1200.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 36.1

Family

Raymond I d'Anduze Sire de Roquefeuil d. bt 1200 - 1204

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillemette de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I001207019&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem VII de Montpellier: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120682&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#GuillaumeVIIMontpellierdied1172. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Bourgogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120683&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raymond I d'Anduze: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I001207018&tree=LEO

Raymond I d'Anduze Sire de Roquefeuil1

M, #61982, d. between 1200 and 1204
FatherBertrand d'Anduze Sire d'Anduze2 d. c 1169
MotherAdelais de Roquefeuil3 b. c 1132
Last Edited16 May 2020
     Raymond I d'Anduze Sire de Roquefeuil married Guillemette de Montpellier, daughter of Guillaume VII de Montpellier Sire de Montpellier & Montferrier and Matilda/Mathilde de Bourgogne Dame de Montferrier, in November 1169.1,4
Raymond I d'Anduze Sire de Roquefeuil died between 1200 and 1204.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 36.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "RAYMOND d'Anduze, son of BERTRAND Seigneur d'Anduze & his wife Adelais [de Roquefeuil] (-after Oct 1200). Seigneur de Roquefeuil et de Meyrueis, Vicomte de Creissels, Comptor de Nant. “Bernard d’Anduze” and “Raymond de Roquefeuil” shared their castles, the latter acquiring rights to “[le] château de Meyrueis...en Agremont...en Esparron...en Autrive...en Plagnol...en Montesquieu”, by charter dated 2 Sep 1188[471]. Co-seigneur de Brissac: “Vierna de Agantico [Ganges] et G. Petri eius filius” and "R. de Rochafolio et fratri tuo B. de Andusia...domine Alazaiz filii" swore homage for "castrum de Breissacho" [Brissac] by charter dated May 1189[472].
     "m (contract Nov 1169, [1174]) GUILLEMETTE [“Marchisia"] de Montpellier, daughter of GUILLAUME [VII] Seigneur de Montpellier & his wife Mathilde de Bourgogne (-[8 Jan 1212]]). Under his testament dated 29 Sep 1173, "Guillelmus dominus Montispessulani, filius quondam Sibilie" names his daughters "Guillelme…Adelais…Marie", stating that they should each receive the same dowry as their sister Sibylle[473]. "Guillelmus dominus Montispessulani" granted "filiam meam Guillelmam" to "Bertrando de Andusia et uxori tuæ Adalaiz" for four years from "hoc festo sanctæ Mariæ Februarii", after which she would be married to "filio vestro Raimundo de Rocafolio", by charter dated Nov 1109, but redated to Nov 1169[474]. "Raimundus de Rocafolio et…Guillelma uxor ejus que vocor Marchisia" acknowledged payment by "Guillemus dominus Montispessulani, filius quondam Mathildis ducisse" of the dowry promised to her, by charter dated Oct 1200[475]. “Domina Marchisia de Rochafolio” confirmed the accuracy of declarations by witnesses “quia sunt de parentela” in a charter dated 8 Jan 1211 (O.S.) relating to the divorce on grounds of consanguinity between Marie de Montpellier and Pedro II King of Aragon[476]. It is difficult see to whom this confirmation can relate apart from the wife of Raymond de Roquefeuil. Either she was the same person as Guillemette de Montpellier (which seems likely considering her relationship with Marie de Montpellier) or a second otherwise unrecorded wife of Raymond.
Med Lands cites:
[471] Actes Saint-Jean-du-Bruel Roquefeuil, AD30 - 1E1884/3, No. 1.
[472] Maguelone, Tome I, CXCV, p. 352.
[473] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 2nd Edn. Tome IV, Preuves, CCXXVIII, p. 525.
[474] Spicilegium (1669), Tome VIII, p. 165 (information provided by Jean-Jacques Massol in a private email to the author dated 31 Oct 2010) D'Aigrefeuille Histoire de Montpellier, p. 23, which gives no citation for the charter in question.
[475] Liber Montpellier, no. CC, p. 334. [J.-C. Chuat]
[476] Alvira Cabrer (1210), Tomo III, 1229, p. 1298.5

Family

Guillemette de Montpellier d. a Oct 1200

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raymond I d'Anduze: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I001207018&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bertrand d'Anduze: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174579&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais de Roquefeuil: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174580&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillemette de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I001207019&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulnoreast.htm#RaymondAnduzedied1200. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Sibilla del Vasto1,2

F, #61983, d. before 1172
FatherBonifacio del Vasto Marchese della Liguria Occidentale, Marchese di Saluzzo1,3,2 b. c 1060, d. bt 1125 - 1135
MotherAgnes de Vermandois1,2 b. 1085, d. a 1125
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited20 Dec 2020
     Sibilla del Vasto married Guillaume/Guglielmo VI de Montpellier Sire de Montpellier, Seigneur de Paulhan, son of Guilhem V de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier and Ermessende de Melgueil, circa August 1129; per Leo van de Pas "date is of contract or similar."4,5,2
Sibilla del Vasto died before 1172.5,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 445
2. Genealogiae Fusniacensis Monumenta Germaniae Historica XIII Hanover, 1881, Editor Georg Waitz, Reference: Page 253.5 EDV-26. Sibilla del Vasto was also known as Sibylia de Mataplane.5

; A few threads over the past year or two have discussed the parentage of Sibilla, wife of Guillem VI, seigneur of Montpellier.

Adequate proof has been set out here before that she was from Italy, daughter of Bonifacio, margrave of Vasto & Agnes de Vermandois. However, several modern genealogists & historians including Henri Vidal, Claudie Duhamel-Amado, Szabolcs de Vajay and Patrick van Kerrebrouck have wrongly stated that she was daughter of a Catalan viscount, Hugo de Mataplana.

After checking _Liber instrumentorum memorialium: cartulaire des Guillems de Montpellier_, edited by Alexandre Germain & Camille Chabaneau (Montpellier, 1884-1886), it seems likely to me that these authorities have copied each other's mistake in some sequence, because this false relationship is virtually precluded by the available evidence.

In his testament dated 11 December 1146 (op cit p. 182, no. 95) Guillem left the guardianship of his children and lands, under the superior custody of his mother Ermesendis de Melgueil, to his cousin ("consobrinus meus") Ponce de Mataplana.

The context makes it logical to read "consobrinus" in its literal and precise sense of maternal first cousin, as Ponce was enjoined to take care of Guillem's family and property along with his mother, but even if a looser translation (such as sister's son or father's sister's son) were allowed the word would still denote a close blood relative and not one by marriage - it cannot mean brother-in-law (usually "cognatus", although that covers a wide range of kinship too) and Sibilla could not have been a sibling to Ponce anyway.

Another error made by Henri Vidal [in 'Les mariages dans la famille des Guillems, seigneurs de Montpellier', _Revue historique de droit français et étranger_ 62 (1984)] is to make Raimond-Guillem, abbot of Aniane and bishop of Lodève, a son of Guillem VI (the third of five attributed to him).

Guillem made elaborate provisions for the descent of Montpellier in the event that any one of his children should die without issue. They were all young at the time, and allowance was made for the third son, Bernard, to become a cleric if he should wish to take holy orders or to be set up honourably if he chose not to do so. He was the only one nominated for the priesthood. There were explicitly just four sons, Guillem the elder, Guillem the younger, Bernard and Gui in that order ("IIIIor filii mei, Guillelmus major, et Guillelmus minor, et Bernardus, et Guido"), as well as three daughters whose rights followed theirs. Guillem VI was already a widower and became a monk at Grandselve after making his will, so that Raimond-Guillem of Lodève cannot have belonged to his immediate family.

Peter Stewart.6

; Most genealogical sources call his wife Sibilla de Mataplane and maintain she is Castilian. Apparently the main source mentioning his wife does not mention her by name. However, there is good evidence for making his wife Sibilla del Vasto.1,7

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibilla del Vasto: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120681&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Montfer page - Aleramici (di Montferrato) family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/italy/montfer.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Boniface del Vasto: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106722&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guilleme VI de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120680&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibylia de Mataplane: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120681&tree=LEO
  6. [S1684] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 26 Sept 2004 "Montpellier and Mataplana"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Sept 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 26 Sept 2004."
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem VI de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120680&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196970&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem VII de Montpellier: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120682&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#GuillaumeVIIMontpellierdied1172. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Guillaume/Guglielmo VI de Montpellier Sire de Montpellier, Seigneur de Paulhan1,2

M, #61984, d. 1162
FatherGuilhem V de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier1,3,4,5 b. 1075, d. b 21 Feb 1122
MotherErmessende de Melgueil1,3 d. a 5 Jun 1156
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited20 Dec 2020
     Guillaume/Guglielmo VI de Montpellier Sire de Montpellier, Seigneur de Paulhan married Sibilla del Vasto, daughter of Bonifacio del Vasto Marchese della Liguria Occidentale, Marchese di Saluzzo and Agnes de Vermandois, circa August 1129; per Leo van de Pas "date is of contract or similar."1,6,2
Guillaume/Guglielmo VI de Montpellier Sire de Montpellier, Seigneur de Paulhan died in 1162.2
     ; Most genealogical sources call his wife Sibilla de Mataplane and maintain she is Castilian. Apparently the main source mentioning his wife does not mention her by name. However, there is good evidence for making his wife Sibilla del Vasto.7,8 EDV-26.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 445.1 He was living in 1121.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guilleme VI de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120680&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Montfer page - Aleramici (di Montferrato) family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/italy/montfer.html
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guilhem V de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilhem_V_de_Montpellier. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem V: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120689&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#GuillaumeVMontpellierdied1122B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibylia de Mataplane: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120681&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibilla del Vasto: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120681&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem VI de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120680&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196970&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem VII de Montpellier: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120682&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#GuillaumeVIIMontpellierdied1172

Adelais de Montpellier1

F, #61985
FatherGuillaume/Guglielmo VI de Montpellier Sire de Montpellier, Seigneur de Paulhan1 d. 1162
MotherSibilla del Vasto1 d. b 1172
Last Edited24 Jun 2020
     Adelais de Montpellier married Ebles III de Ventadour Vicomte de Ventadour, son of Ebles II 'le Chanteur' (?) Vicomte de Ventadour and Agnes (?) de Montlucon, in 1151;
His 2nd wife.2,3,4
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 765.1
; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 2): “D2. Vcte Ebles III de Ventadour, +1170; 1m: Marguerite de Turenne; 2m: 1151 Adelais de Montpellier”.5
; Per Med Lands:
     "EBLES [III] de Ventadour, son of EBLES [II] Vicomte de Ventadour & his wife Agnes de Montluçon (-1170, bur Montecassino). A charter dated 1147 records a donation to Uzerche with the consent of "Eblone vicecomite, uxore eius Agne et filiis suis Arcambaldo, Eblone, Aimone…"[1865]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Ebolum" as son of "Ebolus" who "appreciated songs of joy until old age" and his wife "Agne filia Guillelmi de Montlusson Arverniæ castro", adding that he was buried "apud castrum Cassinum" after dying on the return journey from Jerusalem[1866]. Vicomte de Ventadour. "Ebolus" names "uxori meæ Agne" in his charter dated to [1165/1170][1867], but the dating assessment must be incorrect or the charter must not refer to Ebles [III] Vicomte de Ventadour.
     "m firstly (1148 or after, divorced [1150/51]) as her second husband, MARGUERITE de Turenne, widow of ADEMAR [IV] Vicomte de Limoges, daughter of RAYMOND [I] Vicomte de Turenne & his wife Mathilde du Perche (-21 Oct [1186/1202]). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married "Ebolus Ventadorensis, filius Eboli Cantatoria" after her first husband died, but that the marriage ended after two years because of their consanguinity[1868]. Her parentage and first marriage are confirmed by the cartulary of Tulle St Martin which records a donation by "Ademarus vicecomes Lemovicensis et Aimericus de Gordo mariti duarum sororum Bosonis, Mangnæ et Margaritæ" dated 21 Dec 1143 made "pro anima Bosonis vicecomitis de Torenna qui gladio corruit" on the day of his burial, authorised by "Ebolus vicecomes de Ventedorn et Archambaldus vicecomes de Comborn", and made "in manu domni Ebali abbatis Tutellensis patrui ipsius Bosonis"[1869]. She married thirdly ([1150/51]) as his second wife, Guillaume VI "Taillefer" Comte d'Angoulême. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married thirdly "Guillermus Sector-ferri Comes Engolismensis, multorum pater liberorum"[1870]. "Vuillelmus Talafers comes Engolismensis Vulgrini filius et Margarita uxor mea et filii nostri Vulgrinus scilicet primogenitus noster, Vuillelmus Talafers, Ademarus, Grisetus, Fulco et Almodis filia nostra uxor Amanei de Lebret" transferred rights to Saint-Amant-de-Boixe by charter dated 1171[1871]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “XII Kal Nov” of “Margarita Engolismensis comitissa, mater Ademari vicecomitis” and her donation[1872].
     "m secondly ([1151]) ADELAIS de Montpellier, daughter of GUILLAUME [VI] Seigneur de Montpellier & his wife Sibila [del Vasto] (-1174 or after). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "filia Guillelmi de Montepislerio…Alaiz" as wife of "Ebolus" who was buried "apud castrum Cassinum" after dying on the return journey from Jerusalem[1873]. "Ebolus vicecomes Ventedornensis" granted exemptions from taxes to Notre-Dame de Dalon by charter dated 1174, witnessed by "Raimundus frater meus Lemovicensis canonicus…Aimo patruus meus…Alaiz mater mea…"[1874]."
Med Lands cites:
[1865] Uzerche, 4 bis and 954, pp. 52 and 375.
[1866] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 24, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1867] Beaulieu, XXX, p. 42.
[1868] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1869] Tulle Saint-Martin 490, p. 261.
[1870] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1871] Saint-Amand-de-Boixe 302, p. 270.
[1872] Documents historiques Limousin bas-Latins (1883), Tome I, Obituaire de Saint-Marciale, p. 77.
[1873] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 24, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1874] Dalon Notre-Dame 742, p. 181.4
Adelais de Montpellier was living in 1146.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196970&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul2.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ebles III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139547&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMOUSIN.htm#EblesIIIVentadourdied1170. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul2.html
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ebles IV dit Archambaud de Ventadour: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196968&tree=LEO

Ebles III de Ventadour Vicomte de Ventadour1,2,3

M, #61986, d. 1170
FatherEbles II 'le Chanteur' (?) Vicomte de Ventadour4,2,5,3
MotherAgnes (?) de Montlucon6,2,5,3
Last Edited24 Jun 2020
     Ebles III de Ventadour Vicomte de Ventadour married Marguerite de Turenne, daughter of Raymond I de Turenne Vicomte de Turenne and Mahaut (Maude) du Perche;
His 1st wife; her 2nd husband; divorced.2,7,8,5,3 Ebles III de Ventadour Vicomte de Ventadour and Marguerite de Turenne were divorced before 1150.7,8,5 Ebles III de Ventadour Vicomte de Ventadour married Adelais de Montpellier, daughter of Guillaume/Guglielmo VI de Montpellier Sire de Montpellier, Seigneur de Paulhan and Sibilla del Vasto, in 1151;
His 2nd wife.2,5,3
Ebles III de Ventadour Vicomte de Ventadour died in 1170 at Montecassino.2,5,3
     ; Per Racines et Histoire (Turenne): “Marguerite de Turenne + un 21/10 après 1186 ?
     ép. 1) ~1140 Aymar IV, vicomte de Limoges (Comborn) + 1148 (fils d’Archambaud IV «Le Barbu», vicomte de Comborn, et d’Humberge/Brunissent de Limoges
     ép. 2) 1148 ou peu après (sép. 1150/51 pour cause de parenté) Ebles III, vicomte de Ventadour + 1170 (Monte Cassino) (fils d’Ebles II et d’Agnès de Montluçon)
     ép. 3) ~1150/51 Guillaume VI «Taillefer», comte d’Angoulême (1140), croisé (1147) ° ~1115 + 07/08/1179 (Messina, Sicile en route pour Jérusalem) (fils de Vulgrin II, comte d’Angoulême, et de Pontia de La Marche ; veuf d’Emma de Limoges) ”.9
; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 2): “D3. Marguerite; 1m: Vcte Ademar IV de Limoges (+1148); 2m: Vcte Ebles III de Ventadour (+1170); 3m: Guillaume VI Taillefer, Cte d'Angouleme (+1179)”.10
; Per Med Lands:
     "MARGUERITE de Turenne (-21 Oct [1186/1202]). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Margarita sorore Bosonis de Torenna" as wife of "Brunicendis filius Ademarus"[1475]. Her parentage and first marriage are confirmed by the cartulary of Tulle St Martin which records a donation by "Ademarus vicecomes Lemovicensis et Aimericus de Gordo mariti duarum sororum Bosonis, Mangnæ et Margaritæ" dated 21 Dec 1143 made "pro anima Bosonis vicecomitis de Torenna qui gladio corruit" on the day of his burial, authorised by "Ebolus vicecomes de Ventedorn et Archambaldus vicecomes de Comborn", and made "in manu domni Ebali abbatis Tutellensis patrui ipsius Bosonis"[1476]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married "Ebolus Ventadorensis, filius Eboli Cantatoria" after her first husband died, but that the marriage ended after two years because of their consanguinity[1477]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married thirdly "Guillermus Sector-ferri Comes Engolismensis, multorum pater liberorum"[1478]. "Vuillelmus Talafers comes Engolismensis Vulgrini filius et Margarita uxor mea et filii nostri Vulgrinus scilicet primogenitus noster, Vuillelmus Talafers, Ademarus, Grisetus, Fulco et Almodis filia nostra uxor Amanei de Lebret" transferred rights to Saint-Amant-de-Boixe by charter dated 1171[1479]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “XII Kal Nov” of “Margarita Engolismensis comitissa, mater Ademari vicecomitis” and her donation[1480].
     "m firstly ADEMAR [IV] Vicomte de Limoges, son of ARCHAMBAUD [IV] "le Barbu" Vicomte de Comborn & his wife Humberge [Brunissent] de Limoges (-1148).
     "m secondly (1148 or after, divorced [1150/51]) as his first wife, EBLES [III] Vicomte de Ventadour, son of EBLES [II] Vicomte de Ventadour & his wife Agnes de Montluçon (-1170, bur Montecassino).
     "m thirdly ([1150/51]) as his second wife, GUILLAUME VI "Taillefer" Comte d'Angoulême, son of VULGRIN II Comte d'Angoulême & his first wife Pontia de La Marche (-Messina 7 Aug 1179, bur Messina)."
Med Lands cites:
[1475] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 41, RHGF XII, p. 426.
[1476] Tulle Saint-Martin 490, p. 261.
[1477] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1478] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1479] Saint-Amand-de-Boixe 302, p. 270.
[1480] Documents historiques Limousin bas-Latins (1883), Tome I, Obituaire de Saint-Marciale, p. 77.11


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 765, 769.5

; This is the same person as ”Eble III of Ventadorn” at Wikipedia.12

; Per Med Lands:
     "EBLES [III] de Ventadour, son of EBLES [II] Vicomte de Ventadour & his wife Agnes de Montluçon (-1170, bur Montecassino). A charter dated 1147 records a donation to Uzerche with the consent of "Eblone vicecomite, uxore eius Agne et filiis suis Arcambaldo, Eblone, Aimone…"[1865]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "Ebolum" as son of "Ebolus" who "appreciated songs of joy until old age" and his wife "Agne filia Guillelmi de Montlusson Arverniæ castro", adding that he was buried "apud castrum Cassinum" after dying on the return journey from Jerusalem[1866]. Vicomte de Ventadour. "Ebolus" names "uxori meæ Agne" in his charter dated to [1165/1170][1867], but the dating assessment must be incorrect or the charter must not refer to Ebles [III] Vicomte de Ventadour.
     "m firstly (1148 or after, divorced [1150/51]) as her second husband, MARGUERITE de Turenne, widow of ADEMAR [IV] Vicomte de Limoges, daughter of RAYMOND [I] Vicomte de Turenne & his wife Mathilde du Perche (-21 Oct [1186/1202]). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married "Ebolus Ventadorensis, filius Eboli Cantatoria" after her first husband died, but that the marriage ended after two years because of their consanguinity[1868]. Her parentage and first marriage are confirmed by the cartulary of Tulle St Martin which records a donation by "Ademarus vicecomes Lemovicensis et Aimericus de Gordo mariti duarum sororum Bosonis, Mangnæ et Margaritæ" dated 21 Dec 1143 made "pro anima Bosonis vicecomitis de Torenna qui gladio corruit" on the day of his burial, authorised by "Ebolus vicecomes de Ventedorn et Archambaldus vicecomes de Comborn", and made "in manu domni Ebali abbatis Tutellensis patrui ipsius Bosonis"[1869]. She married thirdly ([1150/51]) as his second wife, Guillaume VI "Taillefer" Comte d'Angoulême. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Ademaro vicecomite Lemovicensi, sponsam illius Margaretam, sororem Bosonis de Torenna" married thirdly "Guillermus Sector-ferri Comes Engolismensis, multorum pater liberorum"[1870]. "Vuillelmus Talafers comes Engolismensis Vulgrini filius et Margarita uxor mea et filii nostri Vulgrinus scilicet primogenitus noster, Vuillelmus Talafers, Ademarus, Grisetus, Fulco et Almodis filia nostra uxor Amanei de Lebret" transferred rights to Saint-Amant-de-Boixe by charter dated 1171[1871]. The necrology of Saint-Martial records the death “XII Kal Nov” of “Margarita Engolismensis comitissa, mater Ademari vicecomitis” and her donation[1872].
     "m secondly ([1151]) ADELAIS de Montpellier, daughter of GUILLAUME [VI] Seigneur de Montpellier & his wife Sibila [del Vasto] (-1174 or after). The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis names "filia Guillelmi de Montepislerio…Alaiz" as wife of "Ebolus" who was buried "apud castrum Cassinum" after dying on the return journey from Jerusalem[1873]. "Ebolus vicecomes Ventedornensis" granted exemptions from taxes to Notre-Dame de Dalon by charter dated 1174, witnessed by "Raimundus frater meus Lemovicensis canonicus…Aimo patruus meus…Alaiz mater mea…"[1874]."
Med Lands cites:
[1865] Uzerche, 4 bis and 954, pp. 52 and 375.
[1866] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 24, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1867] Beaulieu, XXX, p. 42.
[1868] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1869] Tulle Saint-Martin 490, p. 261.
[1870] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 53, RHGF XII, p. 438.
[1871] Saint-Amand-de-Boixe 302, p. 270.
[1872] Documents historiques Limousin bas-Latins (1883), Tome I, Obituaire de Saint-Marciale, p. 77.
[1873] Ex Chronico Gaufredi Vosiensis, 24, RHGF XII, p. 424.
[1874] Dalon Notre-Dame 742, p. 181.3


; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 2): “D2. Vcte Ebles III de Ventadour, +1170; 1m: Marguerite de Turenne; 2m: 1151 Adelais de Montpellier”.10

Family 1

Marguerite de Turenne b. bt 1120 - 1130, d. a 1201

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ebles III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139547&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul2.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMOUSIN.htm#EblesIIIVentadourdied1170. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ebles II 'le Chanteur': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196971&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ebles III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139547&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Montlucon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196972&tree=LEO
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Angouleme.pdf, p.5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Turenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033523&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Turenne, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Turenne.pdf
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul2.html
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMOUSIN.htm#MargueriteTurenneM1AdemarIVLimoges
  12. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eble_III_of_Ventadorn. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ebles IV dit Archambaud de Ventadour: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196968&tree=LEO

Raimond Gaucelm III (?) Sire de Lunel1

M, #61987
FatherRaimond Gaucelm II (?) Sire de Lunel2 d. a 1152
Last Edited12 Aug 2019
     Raimond Gaucelm III (?) Sire de Lunel married Sibylia (?) de Montpellier, daughter of Guillaume VII de Montpellier Sire de Montpellier & Montferrier and Matilda/Mathilde de Bourgogne Dame de Montferrier, on 30 September 1172.1,3
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 81.1 Raimond Gaucelm III (?) Sire de Lunel was living in 1172.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198378&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198387&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibylia de Montpellier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198379&tree=LEO

Beliarde (?)1

F, #61988
Last Edited22 Oct 2020
     Beliarde (?) married Guilhem II de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier, son of Berenger/Bernard de Montpelier and Trudgardis (?).2,1,3,4,5
     ; Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 445.6

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beliarde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120685&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120684&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#GuillaumeIIMontpellierdiedbefore1059B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Aux origines des Guilhem de Montpellier: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/58. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  5. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guilhem II de Montpellier:. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beliarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120685&tree=LEO
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Bernard Guilhem IV de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Guilhem_IV_de_Montpellier
  8. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guilhem III de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilhem_III_de_Montpellier

Gundahar (?) King of the Burgundians1

M, #61989, d. between 436 and 437
ReferenceGAV42
Last Edited27 Sep 2020
     Gundahar (?) King of the Burgundians died between 436 and 437 at Battle of Worms/Alzey.1
     ; This is the same person as ”Gunther
at Wikipedia, as ”Gondicaire” at Wikipédia (FR), and as ”Gundahar” at Wikipedia (DE).2,3,4 GAV-42.

; Per Med Lands:
     "[GUNDAHAR, son of --- (-after [436]). Gundobad King of Burgundy, in the Lex Gundobada, names as his predecessors "Gebicam, Godomarem, Gislaharium, Gundaharium, patrem quoque nostrum et patruum"[1]. It is assumed that this passage should be interpreted as referring to four named individuals and the king´s unnamed father and paternal uncle. The precise relationship with the four named individuals is unknown. It is even possible that there was no family relationship at all. Assuming for the moment that they were related, it is probable that the four are named in chronological order, starting from Gebica as the earliest predecessor. If this hypothesis is correct, Gundahar could have been King Gundobad´s grandfather. However, it is also possible that the four named individuals were contemporaries and not successors, maybe leaders of different Burgundian sub-groups which were later united under the common leadership of King Gundobad´s father after the Burgundians were settled by the Romans near Lake Geneva. Such a situation would recall the likely reality of Frankish leadership at the time the Franks first moved into Gaul (further discussed in the document MEROVINGIAN KINGS), and there appears no reason to suppose that the Burgundian model would in that respect have been any different. If that is correct, the regal title accorded in modern secondary sources to early Burgundian leaders would in practice have reflected few of the attributes which were subsequently linked to kingship. As can be seen there are many uncertainties relating to Gundahar, although he is known to history as GUNDAHAR [King] of the Burgundians. From a chronological point of view, it is probable that the rule of Gundahar was contemporary with the Burgundians´ first crossing into territory west of the River Rhine. Sécretan suggests that the Burgundian settlements at that time extended from Mainz to Strasbourg, with their capital at Worms[2]. However, it is unlikely that the Burgundians imposed any form of centralised administration on this territory. There is little evidence to suggest that any of the so-called barbarian peoples organised themselves into states, and imposed their authority on the indigenous populations, when they first migrated into western Europe. In this respect, Jordanes´s History of the Goths makes an interesting comment when naming “...Burgundiones...” among those who provided soldiers to the Roman army (“Franci, Sarmatæ, Armoriciani, Liticiani, Burgundiones, Saxones, Ripari, Olibriones, quondam milites Romani”)[3]. This passage suggests that the case of the Burgundians was similar to that of the other peoples who lived on the periphery of Roman jurisdiction and who provided many of the military volunteers who served in the Roman army with the later prospect of acquiring Roman citizenship. Idatius records that the rebellion of “Burgundiones” was suppressed by “Romanis duce Aetio”, dated to 436 from the context[4]. The Burgundians were defeated and dispersed by the Huns. The dating of events involving the early Burgundians presents extreme difficulties, the near contemporary primary sources rarely specifying dates. Sécretan discusses the different theories which place the Burgundian defeat by the Huns, and their dispersal into Gaul, anywhere between 436 and the mid-450s[5].
     "m ---. The name of King Gundahar´s wife is not known. "
Med Lands cites:
[1] Burgundionum Leges, Lex Gundobada, III, MGH LL III, p. 533.
[2] Sécretan ‘Le premier royaume de Bourgogne’ (1868), p. 9.
[3] Iordanes Getarum, MGH Auct. ant. V.1, XXXVI, p. 108.
[4] Hydatii Lemici continuatio chronicorum Hieronymianorum, MGH Auct. ant. XI.1, 108, p. 23.
[5] Sécretan ‘Le premier royaume de Bourgogne’ (1868), pp. 13-22.1
He was King of the Burgundians between 406 and 436.

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20KINGS.htm. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Gondicaire: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondicaire. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Gundahar: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundahar. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).

Raimond Gaucelm II (?) Sire de Lunel1

M, #61990, d. after 1152
FatherRoncelm Gaucelm I (?) Sire de Lunel3 d. 1152
MotherNN Bermond (?) du Caylar1,2
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited13 Aug 2020
     Raimond Gaucelm II (?) Sire de Lunel died after 1152.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 81.1 EDV-26. He was living in 1152.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198387&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN Bermond du Caylar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198386&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198385&tree=LEO

Roncelm Gaucelm I (?) Sire de Lunel1

M, #61991, d. 1152
FatherPons Gaucelm (?) Sire de Lunel2,1
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited13 Aug 2020
     Roncelm Gaucelm I (?) Sire de Lunel married NN Bermond (?) du Caylar, daughter of Rainon I (?) du Caylar and Béatrix d'Uzès.1,3
Roncelm Gaucelm I (?) Sire de Lunel died in 1152.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 81.1 EDV-27.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198385&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pons Gaucelm: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198383&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN Bermond du Caylar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198386&tree=LEO

Pons Gaucelm (?) Sire de Lunel1

M, #61992
FatherRaimond Gaucelm I (?)3,1
MotherPétronille (?)2,1
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited13 Aug 2020
     EDV-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 81.1 Pons Gaucelm (?) Sire de Lunel was living in 1097.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pons Gaucelm: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198383&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pétronille: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198382&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198381&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198385&tree=LEO

Pétronille (?)1

F, #61993
ReferenceEDV29
Last Edited13 Aug 2020
     Pétronille (?) married Raimond Gaucelm I (?), son of Gaucelm (?).2,1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 81.1 EDV-29. Pétronille (?) was living in 1054.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pétronille: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198382&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198381&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pons Gaucelm: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198383&tree=LEO

Raimond Gaucelm I (?)1

M, #61994
FatherGaucelm (?)2,1
ReferenceEDV29
Last Edited13 Aug 2020
     Raimond Gaucelm I (?) married Pétronille (?)1,3
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 81.1 EDV-29. Raimond Gaucelm I (?) was living in 1019.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198381&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaucelm: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198380&tree=LEO-0
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pétronille: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198382&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pons Gaucelm: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198383&tree=LEO

Gaucelm (?)1

M, #61995
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 81.2 Gaucelm (?) was living in 1007.2

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaucelm: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198380&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaucelm: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198380&tree=LEO-0
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond Gaucelm I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198381&tree=LEO

Garsende (Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois1,2

F, #61996, b. between 1164 and 1165, d. circa 1190
FatherAymar I de Poitiers Seigneur de Boulogne-en-Velay, Comte de Valentinois3
Last Edited19 Sep 2020
     Garsende (Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois married Giraud Adhémar I (?) seigneur de Montélimar, Monteil et Grignan, son of Guillaume Hugues I (?) Sire de Monteil, seigneur de Montélimar and Lecerina/Lacérina/Laure (?) de Genève, before 1158.4,5,6,7,8 Garsende (Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois was born between 1164 and 1165.5,6
Garsende (Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois died circa 1190.6,5
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 1.4

; Per Racines et Histoire (Poitiers): “Garsende (Garsinde, Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois ° ~1164/65 + ~1190
     ép. dès1180 Giraud Adhémar 1er de Monteil ° ~1120 + après 1198 seigneur de Montélimar (26, 1138), Monteil (1157) et Grignan (1164) (fils de Guilhem Uc II Adhémar, seigneur de Montélimar, et de Lécerina)”.6

; Per Racines et Histoire (Adhémar de Monteil): “Giraud Adhémar 1er de Monteil ° ~1120 + après 1198 seigneur de Montélimar (1138), Monteil (1157) et Grignan (1164)
     ép. dès 1179 Garsende (Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois ° ~1164 + ~1190 (fille de Guillem 1er (ou II) de Poitiers, comte de Valentinois et de Béatrix ? d’Albon ; d’autres sources donnent : ° ~1142 + après 1185 et fille d’Aymar 1er de Poitiers et de Richende
de Narbonne-Pelet)"


Per Racines et Histoire (Poitiers): “Garsende (Garsinde, Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois ° ~1164/65 + ~1190
     ép. dès1180 Giraud Adhémar 1er de Monteil ° ~1120 + après 1198 seigneur de Montélimar (26, 1138), Monteil (1157) et Grignan (1164) (fils de Guilhem Uc II Adhémar, seigneur de Montélimar, et de Lécerina)”.5,6

; Per Med Lands:
     "GIRAUD Adémar [I] de Monteil, son of GUILLAUME HUGUES [I] de Monteil & his second wife Lecerina --- (-after 1164). "Geraldus Aemarivus et…Lambertus…domini Montilii" to Montélimar of "terra avi et patris sui" by charter dated 1198[737]. "Nos patrueles Giraudus et Lambertus Adhemarii de Montilio, domini Montilii Adhemarii, cum filiis nostris primogenitus Giraudeto Adhemarii barone de Rupe Maura, Vivarien. diœcesis et Hugone Adhemarii barone de Garda Adhemarii, Tricastin. diœcesis" donated property to Montélimar, confirming the previous donations of "avos et patres nostros", by charter dated 2 Apr 1198, classified as spurious in the compilation[738].
     "m ---. The name of Giraud’s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
[737] Montélimar, IX, p. 20.
[738] Montélimar, X, p. 22.9

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Ermesendis): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196961&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, Ermessinde (Garsende) de Poitiers-Valentinois: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426400&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Ermesendis): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196961&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Poitiers Comtes de Valentinois & seigneurs de Saint-Vallier, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Poitiers-Valentinois.pdf
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geraud Adhémar I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196960&tree=LEO
  8. [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Giraud Adhémar de Monteil: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426396&tree=1
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#GiraudAdemarIMonteildiedafter1164B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geraud Adhémar II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196962&tree=LEO

Giraud Adhémar I (?) seigneur de Montélimar, Monteil et Grignan1,2,3,4

M, #61997, b. before 1120, d. after 1164
FatherGuillaume Hugues I (?) Sire de Monteil, seigneur de Montélimar3,5,2,6,7,4 b. c 1050, d. c 1130
MotherLecerina/Lacérina/Laure (?) de Genève6,3,8,4
Last Edited19 Sep 2020
     Giraud Adhémar I (?) seigneur de Montélimar, Monteil et Grignan was born before 1120.4 He married Garsende (Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois, daughter of Aymar I de Poitiers Seigneur de Boulogne-en-Velay, Comte de Valentinois, before 1158.9,5,10,2,4
Giraud Adhémar I (?) seigneur de Montélimar, Monteil et Grignan died after 1164; Med Lands says d. aft 1164; Med Lands says d. aft 1164; Geneagraphie says d. bef 1473.11,3,5,4
     ; Per Racines et Histoire (Adhémar de Monteil): “Giraud Adhémar 1er de Monteil ° ~1120 + après 1198 seigneur de Montélimar (1138), Monteil (1157) et Grignan (1164)
     ép. dès 1179 Garsende (Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois ° ~1164 + ~1190 (fille de Guillem 1er (ou II) de Poitiers, comte de Valentinois et de Béatrix ? d’Albon ; d’autres sources donnent : ° ~1142 + après 1185 et fille d’Aymar 1er de Poitiers et de Richende
de Narbonne-Pelet)"


Per Racines et Histoire (Poitiers): “Garsende (Garsinde, Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois ° ~1164/65 + ~1190
     ép. dès1180 Giraud Adhémar 1er de Monteil ° ~1120 + après 1198 seigneur de Montélimar (26, 1138), Monteil (1157) et Grignan (1164) (fils de Guilhem Uc II Adhémar, seigneur de Montélimar, et de Lécerina)”.5,10

; Per Racines et Histoire (Poitiers): “Garsende (Garsinde, Ermesinde) de Poitiers-Valentinois ° ~1164/65 + ~1190
     ép. dès1180 Giraud Adhémar 1er de Monteil ° ~1120 + après 1198 seigneur de Montélimar (26, 1138), Monteil (1157) et Grignan (1164) (fils de Guilhem Uc II Adhémar, seigneur de Montélimar, et de Lécerina)”.10

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 1.


Geneagraphi cites:
1. Généalogie de Carné, Alain de Carné, Forez, Loire, France.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, Detlev Schwennicke, 1 (Reliability: 3). Neue Folge Bd. XIV., Les Familles Féodales de France II; J. A. Stargard, Marburg 1991.2,4


; Per Med Lands:
     "GIRAUD Adémar [I] de Monteil, son of GUILLAUME HUGUES [I] de Monteil & his second wife Lecerina --- (-after 1164). "Geraldus Aemarivus et…Lambertus…domini Montilii" to Montélimar of "terra avi et patris sui" by charter dated 1198[737]. "Nos patrueles Giraudus et Lambertus Adhemarii de Montilio, domini Montilii Adhemarii, cum filiis nostris primogenitus Giraudeto Adhemarii barone de Rupe Maura, Vivarien. diœcesis et Hugone Adhemarii barone de Garda Adhemarii, Tricastin. diœcesis" donated property to Montélimar, confirming the previous donations of "avos et patres nostros", by charter dated 2 Apr 1198, classified as spurious in the compilation[738].
     "m ---. The name of Giraud’s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
[737] Montélimar, IX, p. 20.
[738] Montélimar, X, p. 22.3
He was living in 1157.11

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geraud Adhémar I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196960&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#GiraudAdemarIMonteildiedafter1164B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, Giraud Adhémar de Monteil: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426396&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#_Toc28766343
  7. [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Guillaume-Hugues de Royans: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426393&tree=1
  8. [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Lacérina (Laure) de Genève: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426392&tree=1
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Ermesendis): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196961&tree=LEO
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Poitiers Comtes de Valentinois & seigneurs de Saint-Vallier, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Poitiers-Valentinois.pdf
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geraud Adhémar I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196960&tree=LEO

Mélaz (?)1

F, #61998
Last Edited13 Jul 2009

Family

Roger de Hauteville Prince of Antioch b. b 1085, d. 27 Jun 1119

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Antioche.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Lecerina/Lacérina/Laure (?) de Genève1,2

F, #61999
FatherAimon I (?) Comte de Genève2 b. c 1070, d. bt 1125 - 1128
MotherIda (Itha) (?) de Faucigny2
Last Edited19 Sep 2020
     Lecerina/Lacérina/Laure (?) de Genève married Guillaume Hugues I (?) Sire de Monteil, seigneur de Montélimar, son of Hugues (?) de Valence and Ahaldisia de Peyrine;
His 2nd wife.3,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:820.3
; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME HUGUES de Monteil (-1130 or later). "Artaldus miles de Argentaco et uxor mea Fica et filii mei Ademarus atque Wilelmus" made donations to Cluny by charter dated [1049/1109], subscribed by "Wilelmi filii Hugonis et Ademari fratris sui et Lamberti"[698]. The chronicler Raymond d'Agiles names "comes Guillelmum Hugonem de Montillo, fratrem Podiensis episcopi", referring to Bishop Adémar[699]. Adémar Bishop of Le Puy sold property to the monastery of Cliou by charter dated 18 Nov 1095 which names "frater eius Wilhermus de Montilio"[700].
     "m firstly ---.
     "m secondly LECERINA, daughter of --- (-after 1157). The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.
     "Guillaume Hugues & his first wife had one child:
a) GUILLAUME HUGUES [II] de Monteil (-[24 Aug 1156/5 Sep 1157]). m --- de Romestang.

     "Guillaume Hugues [I] & his second wife had one child:
b) GIRAUD Adémar [I] de Monteil (-after 1164)."

Med Lands cites:
[698] Cluny Tome IV, 3010, p. 205.
[699] Raimundus de Agiles, col. 646, quoted in Mémoires Valentinois et Diois, p. 149.
[700] Chartularium Sancti Theofredi, p. 139, cited in Mémoires Valentinois et Diois, p. 145.5
Lecerina/Lacérina/Laure (?) de Genève was living in 1157.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lecerina: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196950&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, Lacérina (Laure) de Genève: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426392&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lecerina: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196950&tree=LEO
  4. [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Guillaume-Hugues de Royans: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426393&tree=1
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#_Toc28766343. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#GiraudAdemarIMonteildiedafter1164B
  7. [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Giraud Adhémar de Monteil: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426396&tree=1

Guillaume Hugues I (?) Sire de Monteil, seigneur de Montélimar1,2,3

M, #62000, b. circa 1050, d. circa 1130
FatherHugues (?) de Valence2,4,3,5 b. b 1037
MotherAhaldisia de Peyrine3,4,2,5,6 d. a 20 Aug 1108
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Guillaume Hugues I (?) Sire de Monteil, seigneur de Montélimar married Lecerina/Lacérina/Laure (?) de Genève, daughter of Aimon I (?) Comte de Genève and Ida (Itha) (?) de Faucigny;
His 2nd wife.7,8 Guillaume Hugues I (?) Sire de Monteil, seigneur de Montélimar married Unknown (?)3 Guillaume Hugues I (?) Sire de Monteil, seigneur de Montélimar was born circa 1050.4
Guillaume Hugues I (?) Sire de Monteil, seigneur de Montélimar died circa 1130; Med Lands says d. 1130 or later; Geneagraphie says d. aft 1133.3,8
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 1.


Geneagraphie cites: Généalogie de Carné, Alain de Carné, Forez, Loire, France.4,9

; Per Genealogics:
     “Son of Hugues de Valence and Ahaldisia de Peyrrine, in 1096 Guillaume Hugues joined the First Crusade, together with his brother Adémar, who had been bishop of Le Puy since 1087. Guillaume Hugues returned, but his brother, who was the papal legate, died on 1 August 1098 in the typhus outbreak which followed the second siege of Antioch.
     “Some sources say that Guillaume Hugues died after 1114, others after 1133. With his second wife Lecerina he had a son Géraud Adhémar I who would have progeny.”.1

; Per Racines et Histoire (Adhémar de Monteil ): “Guillaume-Hugues 1er (Guilhem-Uc) Adhémar fl 1050 + ~1114 seigneur de Montélimar (26) ép. ?”.2 Guillaume Hugues I (?) Sire de Monteil, seigneur de Montélimar was also known as Guillaume-Hugues de Royans Seigneur de Monteil, Seigneur de Montélimar.8

; NB: Genealogics shows Guillaume Hugues I and II as one person. Racines et Histoire shows them as father and son.“.10,4

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME HUGUES de Monteil (-1130 or later). "Artaldus miles de Argentaco et uxor mea Fica et filii mei Ademarus atque Wilelmus" made donations to Cluny by charter dated [1049/1109], subscribed by "Wilelmi filii Hugonis et Ademari fratris sui et Lamberti"[698]. The chronicler Raymond d'Agiles names "comes Guillelmum Hugonem de Montillo, fratrem Podiensis episcopi", referring to Bishop Adémar[699]. Adémar Bishop of Le Puy sold property to the monastery of Cliou by charter dated 18 Nov 1095 which names "frater eius Wilhermus de Montilio"[700].
     "m firstly ---.
     "m secondly LECERINA, daughter of --- (-after 1157). The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.
     "Guillaume Hugues & his first wife had one child:
a) GUILLAUME HUGUES [II] de Monteil (-[24 Aug 1156/5 Sep 1157]). m --- de Romestang.

     "Guillaume Hugues [I] & his second wife had one child:
b) GIRAUD Adémar [I] de Monteil (-after 1164)."

Med Lands cites:
[698] Cluny Tome IV, 3010, p. 205.
[699] Raimundus de Agiles, col. 646, quoted in Mémoires Valentinois et Diois, p. 149.
[700] Chartularium Sancti Theofredi, p. 139, cited in Mémoires Valentinois et Diois, p. 145.3
He was living in 1087.4

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume Hugues I de Monteil: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196948&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#_Toc28766343. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume Hugues I de Monteil: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196948&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#HuguesValenceB
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ahaldisia de Peyrine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196952&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lecerina: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196950&tree=LEO
  8. [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, Guillaume-Hugues de Royans: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426393&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
  9. [S4806] Généalogie de la famille de Carné, online <http://www.decarne.com/gencar/gencar.html>. Hereinafter cited as Généalogie de Carné.
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf, p. 2.
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#GiraudAdemarIMonteildiedafter1164B
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geraud Adhémar I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196960&tree=LEO
  14. [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Giraud Adhémar de Monteil: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I426396&tree=1

Hugues (?) de Valence1,2,3

M, #62001, b. before 1037
FatherAdhémar (?) Comte de Valence5,2,6,1,3 b. b 985, d. a 1037
MotherRoteldis (?)4,2,1,3 b. b 1037, d. a 1037
ReferenceEDV28 GKJ27
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Hugues (?) de Valence married Ahaldisia de Peyrine, daughter of Ismidon de Peyrine.2,1,3,7 Hugues (?) de Valence was born before 1037.8
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 820.1 EDV-28 GKJ-27. Hugues (?) de Valence was also known as Hugues (Uc) dit Franco «Francese» (?) de Nice.2

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [de Valence, son of ADEMAR Comte de Valence & his wife Rotilde ---] . "Ademarus comes [Valentinensis] [et] Roteldis uxor mea" confirmed the donations to Cluny by his father by charter dated 1037 jointly with "filii nostri Pontio episcopo, Ugone, Lamberto, Gontardo, Geraldo"[704]. Chevalier proposes that Hugues, father of the brothers Guillaume, Adémar and Lambert, all named in the Cluny charter dated to [1049/1108] quoted below, was the same person as Hugues son of Adémar Comte de Valence[705]. He also asserts that these three sons of Hugues were the same persons as Guillaume de Monteil, Adémar Bishop of Le Puy and Lambert-François de Peyrins, whom other sources demonstrate were brothers. He cites another source which states that Bishop Adémar was the son of an unnamed Comte de Valence. One difficulty with this co-identity is that the Hugues of the Cluny charter is not referred to as "comes". On the other hand, it is likely that Hugues was a person of some substance to have been named at all as the father of the three witnesses.
     "m ABALDISIA [Adalisia], daughter of ISMIDON [Seigneur de Peyrins] & his wife --- (-after 20 Aug 1108). "Lambert cognomento Franciscus et mater eius Abaldisia" donated property to the church of Romans, naming "comes Guigo", by charter dated 12 May 1100[706]. "Lambert François, son fils Rainaldus et sa mère Abaldisia" donated property to the church of Romans by charter dated 20 Aug 1108[707]. Her parentage is confirmed by a charter dated 4 Nov 1097 which records a peace treaty between "Lambert" and the church of Romans (1856), naming "Ismido avus eius"[708]."
Med Lands cites:
[704] Cluny, Tome IV, 2821, p. 122.
[705] Mémoires Valentinois et Diois, p. 147.
[706] Romans (1856), 172, p. 177.
[707] Romans (1856), 155, p. 167.
[708] Romans (1856), 169, p. 175.3


; Per Racines et Histoire (Adhémar de Monteil): “Hugues (Uc) Adhémar dit Franco «Francesc» de Nice fl 1037 comte en Valentinois, seigneur de Montélimar
     ép. Adhalasia (ou Ahaldisia) de Peyrins (ou de Royan(s)) + après 1122 (fille d’Ismidon, seigneur de Peyrins (près Romans) ; ép. 2) Hugues Rotbold)”.2 He was living in 1037.2,1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Valence: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196951&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#HuguesValenceB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roteldis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196955&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#_Toc28766339
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adémar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196954&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ahaldisia de Peyrine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196952&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Valence: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196951&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume Hugues I de Monteil: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196948&tree=LEO
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf, p. 2.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume Hugues I de Monteil: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196948&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#_Toc28766343

Ahaldisia de Peyrine1

F, #62002, d. after 20 August 1108
FatherIsmidon de Peyrine2,3,4,1
ReferenceEDV28 GKJ27
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Ahaldisia de Peyrine married Hugues (?) de Valence, son of Adhémar (?) Comte de Valence and Roteldis (?).3,5,4,1 Ahaldisia de Peyrine married Hugues Rotbold;
Her 2nd husband.3
Ahaldisia de Peyrine died after 20 August 1108; Med Lands says d. aft 20 Aug 1108; Racines et Histoire says d. aft 1122.4,3
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [de Valence, son of ADEMAR Comte de Valence & his wife Rotilde ---] . "Ademarus comes [Valentinensis] [et] Roteldis uxor mea" confirmed the donations to Cluny by his father by charter dated 1037 jointly with "filii nostri Pontio episcopo, Ugone, Lamberto, Gontardo, Geraldo"[704]. Chevalier proposes that Hugues, father of the brothers Guillaume, Adémar and Lambert, all named in the Cluny charter dated to [1049/1108] quoted below, was the same person as Hugues son of Adémar Comte de Valence[705]. He also asserts that these three sons of Hugues were the same persons as Guillaume de Monteil, Adémar Bishop of Le Puy and Lambert-François de Peyrins, whom other sources demonstrate were brothers. He cites another source which states that Bishop Adémar was the son of an unnamed Comte de Valence. One difficulty with this co-identity is that the Hugues of the Cluny charter is not referred to as "comes". On the other hand, it is likely that Hugues was a person of some substance to have been named at all as the father of the three witnesses.
     "m ABALDISIA [Adalisia], daughter of ISMIDON [Seigneur de Peyrins] & his wife --- (-after 20 Aug 1108). "Lambert cognomento Franciscus et mater eius Abaldisia" donated property to the church of Romans, naming "comes Guigo", by charter dated 12 May 1100[706]. "Lambert François, son fils Rainaldus et sa mère Abaldisia" donated property to the church of Romans by charter dated 20 Aug 1108[707]. Her parentage is confirmed by a charter dated 4 Nov 1097 which records a peace treaty between "Lambert" and the church of Romans (1856), naming "Ismido avus eius"[708]."
Med Lands cites:
[704] Cluny, Tome IV, 2821, p. 122.
[705] Mémoires Valentinois et Diois, p. 147.
[706] Romans (1856), 172, p. 177.
[707] Romans (1856), 155, p. 167.
[708] Romans (1856), 169, p. 175.4


; Per Racines et Histoire (Adhémar de Monteil): “Hugues (Uc) Adhémar dit Franco «Francesc» de Nice fl 1037 comte en Valentinois, seigneur de Montélimar
     ép. Adhalasia (ou Ahaldisia) de Peyrins (ou de Royan(s)) + après 1122 (fille d’Ismidon, seigneur de Peyrins (près Romans) ; ép. 2) Hugues Rotbold)”.3 Ahaldisia de Peyrine was also known as Adhalasia/Ahaldisia de Peyrins.3 Ahaldisia de Peyrine was also known as Ahaldisia de Royans.6 Ahaldisia de Peyrine was also known as Abaldisia de Peyrins.4 Ahaldisia de Peyrine was also known as Adhalasia/Ahaldisia de Royan(s).3 Ahaldisia de Peyrine lived at an unknown place ; EDV-28 GKJ-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 820.1 She was living in 1100.1

Family 1

Hugues Rotbold

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ahaldisia de Peyrine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196952&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ismidon de Peyrine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196953&tree=LEO
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#HuguesValenceB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Valence: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196951&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf, p. 2.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume Hugues I de Monteil: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196948&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#_Toc28766343
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume Hugues I de Monteil: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196948&tree=LEO

Ismidon de Peyrine1

M, #62003
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 820.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ismidon de Peyrine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196953&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#HuguesValenceB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ahaldisia de Peyrine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196952&tree=LEO

Adhémar (?) de Valence, Bishop of Le Puy1,2

M, #62004, d. 1 August 1098
FatherHugues (?) de Valence1,2,3 b. b 1037
MotherAhaldisia de Peyrine1,3,4 d. a 20 Aug 1108
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Adhémar (?) de Valence, Bishop of Le Puy died on 1 August 1098 at Antioch, Antakya, Turkey (now).1,2
     He was per Racines et Histoire: "évêque du Puy (43) (1087), Légat du Pape Urbain lors de la 1ère Croisade."2

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 1.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume Hugues I de Monteil: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196948&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#HuguesValenceB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf

Myrtle Ruth Livingstone1

F, #62007, b. 27 October 1915
FatherGregory M. Livingstone1 b. 3 Apr 1881, d. 2 Sep 1938
MotherEmma Estella Dawson1 b. 17 Feb 1882, d. 29 Dec 1969
Last Edited2 Mar 2004
     Myrtle Ruth Livingstone was born on 27 October 1915 at Pierre, South Dakota, USA.1 She married Thomas Benjamin Smith on 7 September 1940 at Washington, D. C., District of Columbia, USA; marrid by Dr. John W. Rustin.1

Family

Thomas Benjamin Smith b. 2 Jun 1914

Citations

  1. [S1591] DAR Application No. 564587 - Ancestor: Robert Meek 1732-1786, unknown series. Hereinafter cited as DAR App #564587 Robt Meek.

Thomas Benjamin Smith1

M, #62008, b. 2 June 1914
Last Edited2 Mar 2004
     Thomas Benjamin Smith was born on 2 June 1914.1 He married Myrtle Ruth Livingstone, daughter of Gregory M. Livingstone and Emma Estella Dawson, on 7 September 1940 at Washington, D. C., District of Columbia, USA; marrid by Dr. John W. Rustin.1

Family

Myrtle Ruth Livingstone b. 27 Oct 1915

Citations

  1. [S1591] DAR Application No. 564587 - Ancestor: Robert Meek 1732-1786, unknown series. Hereinafter cited as DAR App #564587 Robt Meek.

Suthoi (?) Khan of the Kumans1

M, #62009
Last Edited1 Nov 2020
     ; Per Williams email [2004]: "I am fairly certain that Kuthen's wife was not a daughter of Mstislav and that the whole thing is a mistranslation and misunderstanding of the original sources. Baumgarten states that Mstislav married a daughter of "Kotian, Prince de Coumanie" (obviously the Kuthan under discussion) and had six children, NOT including a daughter married to another or the same Kuthen. Probably this was originally a mistake of son-in-law for father-in-law. The _Chronicle of Novgorod_ as translated by Robert Michell & Neville Forbes (Camden Society 3rd Series, XXV, London, 1914) clearly states (p. 64) that Kotyan, a Polovets Knyaz [Prince] was father-in-law of Mstislav in Galich (i.e. Mstislav the Daring). Thus, I think that the following genealogical fragment can be reconstructed:
1. Suthoi, Khan of the Kumans [1]. Father of,
2. Kuthen (a.k.a. Kotian), Khan of the Kumans. Murdered 1240-41 in Hungary [2]. Father of,
i. Na. m. by 1223 to Mstislav Mstislavich, Prince of Novgorod & Galicia [3].
ii. Erzsebet. d. aft. 1290. m. to Istvan V, King of Hungary [4].

Sources:
[1] _Encyclopedia Brockhaus_, Russian Edition, 31: 448-49.
[2] _Encyclopaedia Britannica_, 1986 Edition, 3: 786.
[3] Robert Michell & Neville Forbes, _The Chronicle of Novgorod, 1016-1471_ (Camden Society 3rd Series, XXV, London, 1914), 64.
[4] Wilhelm Karl, Prinz von Isenburg, & Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, _Europaische Stammtafeln_ (Marburg, 1960), II: 105.”.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1593] Kelsey J. Williams, "Williams email 24 Feb 2004 "Re: Kuman lines into European( and other )Royalty"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 16 Feb 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Williams email 16 Feb 2004."

Roteldis (?)1

F, #62010, b. before 1037, d. after 1037
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Roteldis (?) married Adhémar (?) Comte de Valence, son of Lambert (?) Comte de Valence and Falectrude (?).2,3,4 Roteldis (?) was born before 1037.1
Roteldis (?) died after 1037.1,5,6
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 820.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADEMAR (-after 1037). "Lambertus episcopus" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre with the consent of "Ademaro comite" by charter dated 14 Mar 1011[613].
     "m ROTILDE, daughter of ---. "Ademarus comes [Valentinensis] [et] Roteldis uxor mea" confirmed the donations to Cluny by his father by charter dated 1037 jointly with "filii nostri Pontio episcopo, Ugone, Lamberto, Gontardo, Geraldo"[614]."
Med Lands cites:
[613] Saint-Chaffre CCCXIV, p. 106.
[614] Cluny, Tome IV, 2821, p. 122.2


; Per Genealogy.EU (Adhémar de Monteil): “Adhémar fl 957+ après 1037 comte de Valence (985)
     ép. Roteldis de Valence + après 1037”.4 She was living in 1037.3

Family

Adhémar (?) Comte de Valence b. b 985, d. a 1037
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roteldis: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196951&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#_Toc28766339. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roteldis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196955&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Adhemar-de-Monteil.pdf, p. 2.
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille d’ Adhémar de Monteil alias d’Azémar, p. 2.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Valence: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196951&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#HuguesValenceB