Robert Carr of Sleaford, co. Lincoln
M, #11191, d. 11 September 1590
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
Robert Carr of Sleaford, co. Lincoln married Elizabeth Gascoigne, daughter of Sir William Gascoigne Knt., of Gawthorpe, Yorks and Lady Margaret de Percy.1
Robert Carr of Sleaford, co. Lincoln died on 11 September 1590.
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Robert Carr of Sleaford, co. Lincoln died on 11 September 1590.
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Family | Elizabeth Gascoigne d. 1559 |
Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), pp. 306-307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S673] David Faris, Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry, pp. 306-307: "...Kinght of the Shire for Lincolnshire, Sheriff of Lincolnshire, son of George Carr, of Sleaford, by his wife Anne Flower."
Richard Windebank
M, #11192
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
Family | Margaret Ap Henry |
Child |
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Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Margaret Ap Henry
F, #11193
Father | Griffith Ap Henry |
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
Family | Richard Windebank |
Child |
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Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Griffith Ap Henry
M, #11194
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
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Family | |
Child |
Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Andrew Reade DD, of Langershall, co. Wilts.
M, #11195
Father | Robert Reade Esq. of Linkenholt Hall, co. Hants b. 1551 |
Mother | Mildred Windebank d. a 15 Aug 1630 |
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
William Reade
M, #11196
Father | Robert Reade Esq. of Linkenholt Hall, co. Hants b. 1551 |
Mother | Mildred Windebank d. a 15 Aug 1630 |
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
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Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Thomas Reade
M, #11197, b. 1606
Father | Robert Reade Esq. of Linkenholt Hall, co. Hants b. 1551 |
Mother | Mildred Windebank d. a 15 Aug 1630 |
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
Thomas Reade was born in 1606 at Linkenholt, co. Hampshire, England.1
He was Principal of Magalen Hall in 1625 at Oxford University, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.1 He received a degree in; LL.D.1
He was Principal of Magalen Hall in 1625 at Oxford University, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.1 He received a degree in; LL.D.1
Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
George Reade
M, #11198
Father | Col. George Reade b. 25 Oct 1608, d. b 21 Nov 1674 |
Mother | Elizabeth Martiau d. c 1686 |
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
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Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Robert Reade
M, #11199
Father | Col. George Reade b. 25 Oct 1608, d. b 21 Nov 1674 |
Mother | Elizabeth Martiau d. c 1686 |
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
Family | Mary Lilly |
Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Thomas Reade
M, #11200
Father | Col. George Reade b. 25 Oct 1608, d. b 21 Nov 1674 |
Mother | Elizabeth Martiau d. c 1686 |
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
Family | Lucy Gwyn |
Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Francis Reade
M, #11201, b. circa 1667, d. 1694
Father | Col. George Reade b. 25 Oct 1608, d. b 21 Nov 1674 |
Mother | Elizabeth Martiau d. c 1686 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2001 |
Francis Reade married Jane Cheesman.1
Francis Reade married Anne (?)1
Francis Reade was born circa 1667.2
Francis Reade died in 1694 at York Co., Virginia, USA.2
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Francis Reade married Anne (?)1
Francis Reade was born circa 1667.2
Francis Reade died in 1694 at York Co., Virginia, USA.2
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Family 1 | Anne (?) |
Family 2 | Jane Cheesman |
Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S753] Jr. Aileen Lewers Langston and J. Orton Buck, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. II (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1974 (1996 reprint)), p. 224. Hereinafter cited as Langston & Buck [1974] - Charlemagne Desc. vol II.
Benjamin Reade
M, #11202
Father | Col. George Reade b. 25 Oct 1608, d. b 21 Nov 1674 |
Mother | Elizabeth Martiau d. c 1686 |
Last Edited | 16 Jul 2008 |
Family | Lucy (?) |
Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Elizabeth Reade
F, #11203
Father | Col. George Reade b. 25 Oct 1608, d. b 21 Nov 1674 |
Mother | Elizabeth Martiau d. c 1686 |
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
Family | Capt. Thomas Cheesman |
Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 307. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Sir John de Welles 5th Lord Welles, of Gainsby
M, #11210, b. 20 April 1352, d. 26 August 1421
Father | Sir John de Welle 4th Lord Welles b. 23 Aug 1334, d. 11 Oct 1361 |
Mother | Margaret (Maud) de Ros d. a 1396 |
Reference | EDV17 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2019 |
Sir John de Welles 5th Lord Welles, of Gainsby married Margery (?)1
Sir John de Welles 5th Lord Welles, of Gainsby was born on 20 April 1352 at Conisholme, Lincolnshire, England.2 He married Eleanor Mowbray, daughter of Sir John de Mowbray Knt., 4th Lord Mowbray and Elizabeth de Segrave Baroness Segrave, before May 1386
; her.3,1,4,5
Sir John de Welles 5th Lord Welles, of Gainsby died on 26 August 1421 at age 69.1
; Faris (1999, p. 371): [quote] ALIANOR DE MOWBRAY, first daughter, was born shortly before 25 Mar. 1364, and was sister of John de Mowbray, Earl of Nottingham, and of Thomas de Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk and Earl Marshal. She was married before May 1386 to JOHN DE WELLES, Knt., 5th Lord Welles, of Gainsby, son of John de Welles, 3rd Lord Welles (descendant of Charlemagne), by Maud, daughter, probably, of William de Roos, 2nd Lord Roos of Helmesley (of Magna Carta Surety descent). He was born at Conisholme, co. Lincoln, on 20 Apr. 1352. He was summoned to Parliament from 20 Jan. 1375/6 by writs directed Johanni de Welle. He was frequently abroad or serving in the French wars. In May 1390 he and Sir David Lindsay, afterwards 1st Earl of Crawford, performed a notable feat of arms on London Bridge to prove "the chivahy and valiant deeds of Englishmen", in which Welles was unhorsed at the third course. Alianor may have been living in 1399. He was married for the second time before 13 Aug. 1417 to Margery ______. JOHN WELLES, 5th Lord Welles, died aged about seventy-one on 26 Aug. 1421. His widow died on 8 Apr. 1426.
C.P. 12(2):441-443 (1959). Paget (1957) 571:2.
Children of John de Welles, by Alianor de Mowbray:
i. EUDES DE WELLES [see next].
ii. ELEANOR DE WELLES, married HUGH POYNINGS [see PAULET 10]. end quote.3,1
Sir John de Welles 5th Lord Welles, of Gainsby was born on 20 April 1352 at Conisholme, Lincolnshire, England.2 He married Eleanor Mowbray, daughter of Sir John de Mowbray Knt., 4th Lord Mowbray and Elizabeth de Segrave Baroness Segrave, before May 1386
; her.3,1,4,5
Sir John de Welles 5th Lord Welles, of Gainsby died on 26 August 1421 at age 69.1
; Faris (1999, p. 371): [quote] ALIANOR DE MOWBRAY, first daughter, was born shortly before 25 Mar. 1364, and was sister of John de Mowbray, Earl of Nottingham, and of Thomas de Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk and Earl Marshal. She was married before May 1386 to JOHN DE WELLES, Knt., 5th Lord Welles, of Gainsby, son of John de Welles, 3rd Lord Welles (descendant of Charlemagne), by Maud, daughter, probably, of William de Roos, 2nd Lord Roos of Helmesley (of Magna Carta Surety descent). He was born at Conisholme, co. Lincoln, on 20 Apr. 1352. He was summoned to Parliament from 20 Jan. 1375/6 by writs directed Johanni de Welle. He was frequently abroad or serving in the French wars. In May 1390 he and Sir David Lindsay, afterwards 1st Earl of Crawford, performed a notable feat of arms on London Bridge to prove "the chivahy and valiant deeds of Englishmen", in which Welles was unhorsed at the third course. Alianor may have been living in 1399. He was married for the second time before 13 Aug. 1417 to Margery ______. JOHN WELLES, 5th Lord Welles, died aged about seventy-one on 26 Aug. 1421. His widow died on 8 Apr. 1426.
C.P. 12(2):441-443 (1959). Paget (1957) 571:2.
Children of John de Welles, by Alianor de Mowbray:
i. EUDES DE WELLES [see next].
ii. ELEANOR DE WELLES, married HUGH POYNINGS [see PAULET 10]. end quote.3,1
Family 1 | Margery (?) |
Family 2 | Eleanor Mowbray b. b 25 Mar 1364 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 371. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S753] Jr. Aileen Lewers Langston and J. Orton Buck, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. II (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1974 (1996 reprint)), p. 50. Hereinafter cited as Langston & Buck [1974] - Charlemagne Desc. vol II.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 202-34, p. 170. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleanor|Alinore de Mowbray: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026836&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Mowbray 9iii: p. 532. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Paulet 11: p. 571.
Gerald Skipwith1
M, #11211
Father | Geoffrey de Skipwith1 b. 1145 |
Mother | Marina de Manithorp1 b. 1152 |
Last Edited | 16 Nov 2002 |
Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Skipwith Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
Eleanor Beaufort Countess of Wiltshire1,2,3,4
F, #11212, d. 16 August 1501
Father | Sir Edmund Beaufort KG, Earl of Dorset, 4th Earl of Somerset; Count of Mortain5,1,2,3,6 b. 15 Mar 1406, d. 22 May 1455 |
Mother | Lady Eleanor (Alianor) Beauchamp5,1,2,3,6 b. Sep 1408, d. 4 Mar 1467 |
Last Edited | 29 Dec 2012 |
Marriage banns for Eleanor Beaufort Countess of Wiltshire were published; van de pas cites: 1. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family, London, 1973 , Reference: Page 200.
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Ancestor Q 99784
3. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: Page 88, 840.
4. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 4.2 She married James Butler Knt., KG, 5th Earl of Ormond, 1st Earl of Wiltshire, son of James Butler 4th Earl of Ormond and Joan de Beauchamp, between 1457 and 1458
; his 2nd wife; her 1st husband, no issue.7,8,1,3,2,4 Eleanor Beaufort Countess of Wiltshire married Sir Robert Spencer Knt., of Spencercombe, Devonshire, son of John Spencer Gent. and Joan (?), circa 1465
; her 2nd husband.7,1,3,2,9,4
Eleanor Beaufort Countess of Wiltshire died on 16 August 1501.7,1,3,2
; per Faris (1999) p. 69: [quote] ELEANOR BEAUFORT, Countess of Wiltshire, daughter and, in her issue, coheiress, was married for the first time to JAMES BUTLER (or ORMOND), 5th Earl of Ormond and 1st Earl of Wiltshire. He was beheaded on 1 May 1461 s.p. She was married for the second time about 1465 to ROBERT SPENCER, Knt., of Spencercombe, Devon, and Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts, son and heir of John Spencer, Gent., of Frampton, Dorset, Ashbury, Devon, and Brompton Ralph, Somerset, Knight of the Shire for Dorset, by his wife Joan. He was born about 1435. She died on 16 Aug 1501. SIR ROBERT SPENCER was living in 1502, and died testate (will proved 1510, P.C.C., 27 Bennett).
HSP 22:134-137 (1886) (Vis. Herts) (Spencer arms: Sable, two bars rebulé ermine). C.P. 9:720 (1936). Wedgwood (1936) 1:787-787 (concerning father of Robert Spencer). TAG 19:199 (Apr. 1943). C.P. 10:129 (1945). Paget (1977), p. 410. Early Chancery Proceedings 5:264 (identification of parents of Robert Spencer) VCH Somerset 5:21 (1985). [end quote]
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Ancestor Q 99784
3. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: Page 88, 840.
4. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 4.2 She married James Butler Knt., KG, 5th Earl of Ormond, 1st Earl of Wiltshire, son of James Butler 4th Earl of Ormond and Joan de Beauchamp, between 1457 and 1458
; his 2nd wife; her 1st husband, no issue.7,8,1,3,2,4 Eleanor Beaufort Countess of Wiltshire married Sir Robert Spencer Knt., of Spencercombe, Devonshire, son of John Spencer Gent. and Joan (?), circa 1465
; her 2nd husband.7,1,3,2,9,4
Eleanor Beaufort Countess of Wiltshire died on 16 August 1501.7,1,3,2
; per Faris (1999) p. 69: [quote] ELEANOR BEAUFORT, Countess of Wiltshire, daughter and, in her issue, coheiress, was married for the first time to JAMES BUTLER (or ORMOND), 5th Earl of Ormond and 1st Earl of Wiltshire. He was beheaded on 1 May 1461 s.p. She was married for the second time about 1465 to ROBERT SPENCER, Knt., of Spencercombe, Devon, and Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts, son and heir of John Spencer, Gent., of Frampton, Dorset, Ashbury, Devon, and Brompton Ralph, Somerset, Knight of the Shire for Dorset, by his wife Joan. He was born about 1435. She died on 16 Aug 1501. SIR ROBERT SPENCER was living in 1502, and died testate (will proved 1510, P.C.C., 27 Bennett).
HSP 22:134-137 (1886) (Vis. Herts) (Spencer arms: Sable, two bars rebulé ermine). C.P. 9:720 (1936). Wedgwood (1936) 1:787-787 (concerning father of Robert Spencer). TAG 19:199 (Apr. 1943). C.P. 10:129 (1945). Paget (1977), p. 410. Early Chancery Proceedings 5:264 (identification of parents of Robert Spencer) VCH Somerset 5:21 (1985). [end quote]
Family 1 | James Butler Knt., KG, 5th Earl of Ormond, 1st Earl of Wiltshire b. c 1422, d. 1 May 1461 |
Family 2 | Sir Robert Spencer Knt., of Spencercombe, Devonshire b. c 1435, d. 1510 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Butler 12.i: p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleanor Beaufort: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002028&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Carey 11: p. 186.
- [S2371] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd edition (3 Volumes) (Salt Lake City, UT: Self Published, 2011), Vol III: Somerset 10.vi: p. 230. Hereinafter cited as Richardson [2011] Plantagenet Ancestry 2nd ed (3 vols).
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, ABeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 36. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S2371] Douglas Richardson, Richardson [2011] Plantagenet Ancestry 2nd ed (3 vols), Vol III: Somerset 10: pp. 227-8.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 1-34, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1429] Notable British Families, Notable British Families CD # 367, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Butler - Earl of Wiltshire, p. 94.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Robert Spencer: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002029&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Spencer: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046503&tree=LEO
Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts1
M, #11213, b. between 1455 and 1460, d. before 21 June 1536
Father | Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon2,3,1 b. 12 Aug 1437, d. 6 Apr 1471 |
Mother | Alice Fulford3,1 |
Last Edited | 13 Aug 2008 |
Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts was born between 1455 and 1460.4,5,3 He married Margaret Spencer, daughter of Sir Robert Spencer Knt., of Spencercombe, Devonshire and Eleanor Beaufort Countess of Wiltshire, in 1490.6,3,7
Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts died before 21 June 1536.4,5,3
He was M. P.4
Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts lived at Chilton Foliott, Wiltshire, England.8
Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts died before 21 June 1536.4,5,3
He was M. P.4
Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts lived at Chilton Foliott, Wiltshire, England.8
Family | Margaret Spencer b. c 1472 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas Cary, of Chilton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104622&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Cary:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104629&tree=LEO - [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Carey 12: p. 186. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 1-34, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 69. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 1-35, p. 4.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Spencer: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046503&tree=LEO
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 80-12, p. 98. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford1,2
M, #11214, b. circa 1514, d. 19 July 1596
Father | Robert Knollys of Rotherfield1,3,2 d. b 19 Jun 1521 |
Mother | Lettice Peynston1,4,2 d. a 1520 |
Last Edited | 8 Oct 2020 |
Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford was born circa 1514.5,6,1 He married Katherine Carey, daughter of Henry VIII (?) King of England and Mary Boleyn, circa April 1540.5,6,1,7,2
Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford died on 19 July 1596; died testate (P. C. C. 67 Drake.)5,6,1,2
Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford lived at Rotherfield Greys, Oxfordshire, England.8
; per van de Pas: [quote] His father had been an usher to the Chamber under King Henry VII and King Henry VIII. Sir Francis married Catherine Carey, daughter of Mary Boleyn and possibly Henry VIII. He attended on Anne of Cleves when she landed in England and later identified himself with militant Protestantism. His zeal for the new religion impressed both King Edward VI and Princess Elizabeth.
However when Mary Tudor became queen he left England. Princess Elizabeth wrote to him and his wife, looking forward to their safe return. He corresponded with Calvin and enrolled as a student at the University of Basle.
Upon the accession of Elizabeth I, he was appointed a Privy Councillor as well as Vice-Chamberlain of the Queen's household, his wife and her sister becoming gentlewomen of the Privy Chamber.
In 1559 he found a seat in Parliament through the patronage of Henry Fitzalan, 12th Earl of Arundel. In 1568 when Mary, Queen of Scots, arrived in England, Sir Francis Knollys, as he was by then, was sent north to take her into his custody at Bolton Castle.
In 1578 Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester and favourite of Queen Elizabeth I, secretly married Sir Francis's daughter, Lettice. Sir Francis then forced them to marry a second time with himself as a witness, fearing that Leicester might disavow Lettice just as he had previously disavowed Douglas, Lady Sheffield. However, when Queen Elizabeth I found this out, she forbade Lettice ever again to come to court and even considered imprisoning Leicester in The Tower. [end quote]1 He was Treasurer to Queen Elizabeth.9 Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford was also known as Sir Francis Knowles Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford.2
; van de pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: N 14747
2. Living descendants of Blood Royal in America , Angerville, Count d', Reference: III 114.1
Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford died on 19 July 1596; died testate (P. C. C. 67 Drake.)5,6,1,2
Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford lived at Rotherfield Greys, Oxfordshire, England.8
; per van de Pas: [quote] His father had been an usher to the Chamber under King Henry VII and King Henry VIII. Sir Francis married Catherine Carey, daughter of Mary Boleyn and possibly Henry VIII. He attended on Anne of Cleves when she landed in England and later identified himself with militant Protestantism. His zeal for the new religion impressed both King Edward VI and Princess Elizabeth.
However when Mary Tudor became queen he left England. Princess Elizabeth wrote to him and his wife, looking forward to their safe return. He corresponded with Calvin and enrolled as a student at the University of Basle.
Upon the accession of Elizabeth I, he was appointed a Privy Councillor as well as Vice-Chamberlain of the Queen's household, his wife and her sister becoming gentlewomen of the Privy Chamber.
In 1559 he found a seat in Parliament through the patronage of Henry Fitzalan, 12th Earl of Arundel. In 1568 when Mary, Queen of Scots, arrived in England, Sir Francis Knollys, as he was by then, was sent north to take her into his custody at Bolton Castle.
In 1578 Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester and favourite of Queen Elizabeth I, secretly married Sir Francis's daughter, Lettice. Sir Francis then forced them to marry a second time with himself as a witness, fearing that Leicester might disavow Lettice just as he had previously disavowed Douglas, Lady Sheffield. However, when Queen Elizabeth I found this out, she forbade Lettice ever again to come to court and even considered imprisoning Leicester in The Tower. [end quote]1 He was Treasurer to Queen Elizabeth.9 Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford was also known as Sir Francis Knowles Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford.2
; van de pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: N 14747
2. Living descendants of Blood Royal in America , Angerville, Count d', Reference: III 114.1
Family | Katherine Carey b. c 1524, d. 15 Jan 1568/69 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Francis Knollys, of Rotherfield: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062072&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Carey 14: p. 187. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Knollys, of Rotherfield: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00191705&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lettice Penystone: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00191706&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 1-37, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1409] Kenneth W. Kirkpatrick, "The "Loving Cosens:" Herbert Pelham, Sir Arthur Hesilrige, and Gov. Edward Winslow", The New England Historical and Genealogical Register 613 (January 2000): p. 87. Hereinafter cited as "The "Loving Cosens" (NEHGR,Jan 2000, 154:613)."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Catherine Cary: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062073&tree=LEO
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 190. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S1155] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=randyj2222&recno=0, Randy Jones (unknown location), downloaded updated 8 Feb 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=randyj2222&id=I11521
- [S1155] e-mail address, updated 8 Feb 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=randyj2222&id=I11519
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry Knollys: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00138969&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary Knollys: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00502639&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lettice Knollys: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062071&tree=LEO
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de la Warr Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Anne Knollys: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00113949&tree=LEO
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Humphrey 16: p. 404.
Katherine Carey1,2,3
F, #11215, b. circa 1524, d. 15 January 1568/69
Father | Henry VIII (?) King of England1,4 b. 28 Jun 1491, d. 28 Jan 1547 |
Mother | Mary Boleyn1,5,6 b. bt 1500 - 1504, d. 19 Jul 1543 |
Last Edited | 6 Oct 2020 |
Katherine Carey was born circa 1524.7,1,2 She married Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford, son of Robert Knollys of Rotherfield and Lettice Peynston, circa April 1540.8,9,10,1,2
Katherine Carey was buried after 15 January 1568 at St. Edmund's Chapel, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, City of Westminster, Greater London, England.2
Katherine Carey died on 15 January 1568/69 at Hampton Court Palace, London, City of London, Greater London, England.8,1,2
She was Chief Lady of the Bedchamber to Queen Elizabeth.8
; per van de Pas: [quote] It is most likely, but not certain, that her father was King Henry VIII. An indication is that she was born in the midst of her mother's affaire with King Henry VIII, and a possessive Henry VIII would not have countenanced sharing the sexual favours of his mistress, even with her husband. He was far too possessive to have allowed this. Henry VIII required chastity from his sexual partners.
Henry VIII kept the existence of an illegitimate child a secret until acknowledgement might suit him. Henry Fitzroy was born in 1519 but there is no record of his existence until the king ennobled him in 1525. The facts of the doubly adulterous births of Henry VIII's children by Mary Boleyn, had they been acknowledged, would surely have later had manifold catastrophic effects. Most important of all, Henry VIII's legitimacy as King and Defender of the Faith would have been at least seriously compromised, very possibly destroyed.
As the Boleyns had fallen from favour in 1536, about November 1539 Catherine Carey was appointed a maid-of-honour to Anne of Cleves. By April/May 1540 she was married to Francis Knollys and they became the parents of eleven children.
Catherine died 15 January 1569 at Hampton Court Palace and was given what only can be described as a 'royal' funeral by the bereaved Queen Elizabeth I. She was buried in April 1569 in St.Edmund's Chapel, Westminster Abbey, at the queen's expense. [end quote]1
Reference: van de pas cites:
1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: N 14748
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 4
3. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter, Reference: 4.1
; per Faris (1999) p. 69: [quote] KATHERINE CAREY, was born about 1524 in the midst of her mother's affair with King Henry VIII, evidently the daughter of the latter, rather than of her mother's husband, William Carey [see TUDOR 3 for the ancestry of King HENRY VIII]. She was married about 1539 to FRANCIS KNOLLYS, Knt., K.G., of Caversham and Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford, Knight of the Shire for Oxfordshire, son and heir of Robert Knollys, of Rotherfield Greys, by Lettice, daughter of Thomas Peynston, Knt., of Hawridge, co. Buckingham. He was born by 1512, and, having displayed bravery at fighting in Scotland at Pinkie, was knighted in September 1528. They had seven sons and four daughters. In 1533, after the accession of Queen Mary, he and his wife left for the Continent. In 1555 he was a student at Basle, and they resided thereafter at Frankfurt until the accession of his cousin Queen Elizabeth. He was Vice Chamberlain of the Household and Treasurer to the Household of Queen Elizabeth. She was Chief Lady of the Bedchamber to Queen Elizabeth. She died at Hampton Court, while in attendance on the Queen, on 15 Jan. 1568/9, and was buried at Queen Elizabeth's expense in the equivalent of a royal burial at St. Edmund's Chapel, Westminster Abbey. "Frauncys Knollys, K.G., of Caversham, Oxford" died testate (P.C.C., 67 Drake) on 19 July 1596.
Swyncombe and Ewelme (1858), pp. 360-373. CF. 4:160 (1916). CF. 6:627.629) (1926) (biography of Henry Carey, brother of Katherine). TAG 18:212-218 (1942). TAG 19:200 (Apr. 1943). Paget (1977), p. 128. Bindoff (1982) 2:479-481 ("he was to rank high at court and in government. He sat in every one of Elizabeth's Parliaments until 1593 and at his death ... he was the last surviving Member of the Parliament of 1529"). Gen.Mag. 25:345-352 (March 1997) (evidence presented by Anthony Hoskins for considering Katherine the base-born daughter of King Henry VIII) (Katherine's brother Henry was called "the Kynge's son" in a contemporary (1535) source, quoting a man who was executed two weeks later for "denying the king's supremacy"; evidence that William Carey did not father his putative children; the paternal interest shown by King Henry to Katherine and Henry, as well as the extraordinary favour shown them by Queen Elizabeth).
Child of Francis Knollys, by Katherine Carey:
i. ANNE KNOLLYS, married THOMAS WEST [see HUMPHREY 3].1 [end quote].11 Katherine Carey was also known as Catherine Cary.1
; I may be breaking a record by replying to a post over two years after it was made, but I just ran across the reference I referred to earlier (regarding the earlier work in which I saw the Henry-Carey-as-son-of-Henry-VIII passage quoted). It appears on p. 324 of Paul Friedmann, "Anne Boleyn: A Chapter of English History 1527-1536" (London, 1884), vol. 2:
"There is still at the Record Office a paper containing the confession of a monk of Syon, in which the following passage occurs: 'Moreover, Mr. Skydmore did show me young master Care, saying that he was our sovereign lord the king's son, by our sovereign lady the queen's sister, whom the queen's grace might not suffer to be in the court.' [footnote: R. O. 26th, Henry VIII. Box Q, No. 127.]"
To give this come context, here's my original post (of 11 June 2001):
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On 10 Jun 2001, Chris Phillips wrote:
>> I wrote:
>>>> > > Anthony Hoskins argued in favour of the theory [that the Careys were illegitimate children of Henry VIII] in an article in the March 1997 issue of the "Genealogists' Magazine" (Society of Genealogists of London). Among other evidence, he quoted, "for the first time", a contemporary (or should it be contemporaneous?) letter from the vicar of Isleworth, which says "Mr Skydmore did show to me yongge Master Care, saying that he was our suffren Lord the Kynge's son by our suffren Lady the Qwyen's syster...".
>>> ...
>> Robert Battle replied:
>>>> > This has been commented on with regard to Henry Cary as an illegitimate some of Henry VIII, and some time before Hoskins' article. I'll have to look up the reference, but when I was still in high school (and thus some time before 1993) I read a biography of either Henry VIII or Anne Boleyn in which this information appeared.
>>>>>
>> Yes - Hoskins does say that "rumours regarding Henry Carey's royal paternity have long circulated...", and cites Complete Peerage vol.6, pp.627-8 (which mentions the possibility that Henry VIII was the father) and Gerald Paget, "The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles..." (1977), vol.1, p.33 (which lists four possible illegitimate children of the king).
I recognize that Hoskins did not claim to be the first to suggest the paternity of Henry Carey. What I dispute it his apparent claim that his article represents the first quotation/discussion of the letter of the vicar of Isleworth mentioning "young master Carey."
I am fairly certain that I have read a more complete discussion of the actual letter before 1993, but the following reference will suffice to show that the letter was known and cited long before Hoskins' article:
"Next there was Mary Boleyn, since 1521 wife of William Carey....That Mary was at one time Henry's mistress, and this presumably after her marriage, is beyond doubt. [footnote: Friedmann, _Anne_Boleyn_ (1884), app. B -- which destroys Froude's attempt to exculpate Henry of this adultery.] Years later there was a strong rumour that she too had born Henry a son [footnote: In 1535 John Hale, vicar of Isleworth, said that a Brigettine of Sion once showed him 'young master Carey', saying that he was Henry's bastard. _L.P._, viii, 567.], but we cannot be sure." (J. J. Scarisbrick, _Henry_VIII_ (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1968), pp. 147-148).
>> I think Hoskins does claim to be the first to suggest that Henry Carey's sister Catherine was also a child of the king, though.
I'm fairly certain I've seen this claimed elsewhere and earlier as well, but I can't remember where .
-Robert Battle.12
Katherine Carey was buried after 15 January 1568 at St. Edmund's Chapel, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, City of Westminster, Greater London, England.2
Katherine Carey died on 15 January 1568/69 at Hampton Court Palace, London, City of London, Greater London, England.8,1,2
She was Chief Lady of the Bedchamber to Queen Elizabeth.8
; per van de Pas: [quote] It is most likely, but not certain, that her father was King Henry VIII. An indication is that she was born in the midst of her mother's affaire with King Henry VIII, and a possessive Henry VIII would not have countenanced sharing the sexual favours of his mistress, even with her husband. He was far too possessive to have allowed this. Henry VIII required chastity from his sexual partners.
Henry VIII kept the existence of an illegitimate child a secret until acknowledgement might suit him. Henry Fitzroy was born in 1519 but there is no record of his existence until the king ennobled him in 1525. The facts of the doubly adulterous births of Henry VIII's children by Mary Boleyn, had they been acknowledged, would surely have later had manifold catastrophic effects. Most important of all, Henry VIII's legitimacy as King and Defender of the Faith would have been at least seriously compromised, very possibly destroyed.
As the Boleyns had fallen from favour in 1536, about November 1539 Catherine Carey was appointed a maid-of-honour to Anne of Cleves. By April/May 1540 she was married to Francis Knollys and they became the parents of eleven children.
Catherine died 15 January 1569 at Hampton Court Palace and was given what only can be described as a 'royal' funeral by the bereaved Queen Elizabeth I. She was buried in April 1569 in St.Edmund's Chapel, Westminster Abbey, at the queen's expense. [end quote]1
Reference: van de pas cites:
1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: N 14748
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 4
3. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter, Reference: 4.1
; per Faris (1999) p. 69: [quote] KATHERINE CAREY, was born about 1524 in the midst of her mother's affair with King Henry VIII, evidently the daughter of the latter, rather than of her mother's husband, William Carey [see TUDOR 3 for the ancestry of King HENRY VIII]. She was married about 1539 to FRANCIS KNOLLYS, Knt., K.G., of Caversham and Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford, Knight of the Shire for Oxfordshire, son and heir of Robert Knollys, of Rotherfield Greys, by Lettice, daughter of Thomas Peynston, Knt., of Hawridge, co. Buckingham. He was born by 1512, and, having displayed bravery at fighting in Scotland at Pinkie, was knighted in September 1528. They had seven sons and four daughters. In 1533, after the accession of Queen Mary, he and his wife left for the Continent. In 1555 he was a student at Basle, and they resided thereafter at Frankfurt until the accession of his cousin Queen Elizabeth. He was Vice Chamberlain of the Household and Treasurer to the Household of Queen Elizabeth. She was Chief Lady of the Bedchamber to Queen Elizabeth. She died at Hampton Court, while in attendance on the Queen, on 15 Jan. 1568/9, and was buried at Queen Elizabeth's expense in the equivalent of a royal burial at St. Edmund's Chapel, Westminster Abbey. "Frauncys Knollys, K.G., of Caversham, Oxford" died testate (P.C.C., 67 Drake) on 19 July 1596.
Swyncombe and Ewelme (1858), pp. 360-373. CF. 4:160 (1916). CF. 6:627.629) (1926) (biography of Henry Carey, brother of Katherine). TAG 18:212-218 (1942). TAG 19:200 (Apr. 1943). Paget (1977), p. 128. Bindoff (1982) 2:479-481 ("he was to rank high at court and in government. He sat in every one of Elizabeth's Parliaments until 1593 and at his death ... he was the last surviving Member of the Parliament of 1529"). Gen.Mag. 25:345-352 (March 1997) (evidence presented by Anthony Hoskins for considering Katherine the base-born daughter of King Henry VIII) (Katherine's brother Henry was called "the Kynge's son" in a contemporary (1535) source, quoting a man who was executed two weeks later for "denying the king's supremacy"; evidence that William Carey did not father his putative children; the paternal interest shown by King Henry to Katherine and Henry, as well as the extraordinary favour shown them by Queen Elizabeth).
Child of Francis Knollys, by Katherine Carey:
i. ANNE KNOLLYS, married THOMAS WEST [see HUMPHREY 3].1 [end quote].11 Katherine Carey was also known as Catherine Cary.1
; I may be breaking a record by replying to a post over two years after it was made, but I just ran across the reference I referred to earlier (regarding the earlier work in which I saw the Henry-Carey-as-son-of-Henry-VIII passage quoted). It appears on p. 324 of Paul Friedmann, "Anne Boleyn: A Chapter of English History 1527-1536" (London, 1884), vol. 2:
"There is still at the Record Office a paper containing the confession of a monk of Syon, in which the following passage occurs: 'Moreover, Mr. Skydmore did show me young master Care, saying that he was our sovereign lord the king's son, by our sovereign lady the queen's sister, whom the queen's grace might not suffer to be in the court.' [footnote: R. O. 26th, Henry VIII. Box Q, No. 127.]"
To give this come context, here's my original post (of 11 June 2001):
-------------------------------------------
On 10 Jun 2001, Chris Phillips wrote:
>> I wrote:
>>>> > > Anthony Hoskins argued in favour of the theory [that the Careys were illegitimate children of Henry VIII] in an article in the March 1997 issue of the "Genealogists' Magazine" (Society of Genealogists of London). Among other evidence, he quoted, "for the first time", a contemporary (or should it be contemporaneous?) letter from the vicar of Isleworth, which says "Mr Skydmore did show to me yongge Master Care, saying that he was our suffren Lord the Kynge's son by our suffren Lady the Qwyen's syster...".
>>> ...
>> Robert Battle replied:
>>>> > This has been commented on with regard to Henry Cary as an illegitimate some of Henry VIII, and some time before Hoskins' article. I'll have to look up the reference, but when I was still in high school (and thus some time before 1993) I read a biography of either Henry VIII or Anne Boleyn in which this information appeared.
>>>>>
>> Yes - Hoskins does say that "rumours regarding Henry Carey's royal paternity have long circulated...", and cites Complete Peerage vol.6, pp.627-8 (which mentions the possibility that Henry VIII was the father) and Gerald Paget, "The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles..." (1977), vol.1, p.33 (which lists four possible illegitimate children of the king).
I recognize that Hoskins did not claim to be the first to suggest the paternity of Henry Carey. What I dispute it his apparent claim that his article represents the first quotation/discussion of the letter of the vicar of Isleworth mentioning "young master Carey."
I am fairly certain that I have read a more complete discussion of the actual letter before 1993, but the following reference will suffice to show that the letter was known and cited long before Hoskins' article:
"Next there was Mary Boleyn, since 1521 wife of William Carey....That Mary was at one time Henry's mistress, and this presumably after her marriage, is beyond doubt. [footnote: Friedmann, _Anne_Boleyn_ (1884), app. B -- which destroys Froude's attempt to exculpate Henry of this adultery.] Years later there was a strong rumour that she too had born Henry a son [footnote: In 1535 John Hale, vicar of Isleworth, said that a Brigettine of Sion once showed him 'young master Carey', saying that he was Henry's bastard. _L.P._, viii, 567.], but we cannot be sure." (J. J. Scarisbrick, _Henry_VIII_ (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1968), pp. 147-148).
>> I think Hoskins does claim to be the first to suggest that Henry Carey's sister Catherine was also a child of the king, though.
I'm fairly certain I've seen this claimed elsewhere and earlier as well, but I can't remember where .
-Robert Battle.12
Family | Sir Francis Knollys Knt., KG, of Rotherfield Greys, co. Oxford b. c 1514, d. 19 Jul 1596 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Catherine Cary: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062073&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Carey 14: p. 187. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Humphrey 16: p. 404.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry VIII: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008146&tree=LEO
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Carey 13: pp. 186-187.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary Boleyn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00054150&tree=LEO
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 69. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 1-37, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1409] Kenneth W. Kirkpatrick, "The "Loving Cosens:" Herbert Pelham, Sir Arthur Hesilrige, and Gov. Edward Winslow", The New England Historical and Genealogical Register 613 (January 2000): p. 87. Hereinafter cited as "The "Loving Cosens" (NEHGR,Jan 2000, 154:613)."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Francis Knollys, of Rotherfield: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062072&tree=LEO
- [S673] David Faris, Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry, p.69.
- [S1509] Robert Battles, "Battle email 2 July 2003: "Re: Henry Carey (was Re: Ancaster)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 2 July 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Battle email 2 July 2003."
- [S1155] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=randyj2222&recno=0, Randy Jones (unknown location), downloaded updated 8 Feb 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=randyj2222&id=I11519
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry Knollys: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00138969&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary Knollys: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00502639&tree=LEO
William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire1,2
M, #11216, b. circa 1495, d. 22 June 1528
Father | Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts3 b. bt 1455 - 1460, d. b 21 Jun 1536 |
Mother | Margaret Spencer3,4 b. c 1472 |
Last Edited | 13 Aug 2008 |
William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire was born circa 1495 at Chilton Foliott, Wiltshire, England.5,1,2 He married Mary Boleyn, daughter of Sir Thomas Boleyn KB, KG, 1st Earl of Wiltshire, Earl of Ormond and Lady Elizabeth Howard, on 31 January 1520/21 at Aldenham, Hertfordshire, England,
; her 1st husband.5,1,2,6
William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire died on 22 June 1528 at Bristol, co. Somerset, England; died of "sweating sickness."5,1,2
William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire lived at Chilton Foliott, Wiltshire, England.7 He was Esquire of the Body of King Henry VIII.8,1
; van de pas cites: 1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 4
2. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 102
3. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: O 29495
4. Living descendants of Blood Royal in America , Angerville, Count d', Reference: III 114
5. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 840.2
; per van de Pas: "William Carey, ca.1495-1528. Gentleman of the Privy Chamber and Esquire of the Body of King Henry VIII, whose mistress he married, it is possble that his children may have been fathered by the King."2
William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire lived at Aldenham, Hertfordshire, England.9,1
; per Faris (1999) p. 69: [quote] WILLIAM CAREY, Esq., of Aldenham, co. Hertford, was born about 1495, and was Gentleman of the Privy Chamber and Esquire of the Body to King Henry VIII, serving in the royal household for nearly forty years. He was married on 31 Jan. 1520/1 to MARY BOLEYN, daughter of Thomas Boleyn, K.G., Earl of Wiltshire and Earl of Ormond (descendant of King Edward I), by Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Howard, Knt. (descendant of King Edward!) [see BUTLER 4 for her ancestry]. She was born about 1500-04, and was sister of Queen ANNE BOLEYN, second wife of King Henry VIII (parents of Queen Elizabeth). She had an affair with King Henry VIII from at least February 1523 to May 1526, during which period her husband received many royal grants. Only during this period did Mary have pregnancies, until her marriage to her second husband. WILLIAM CAREY, Esq., died of "sweating sickness" on 22 June 1528. His widow was married for the second time to WILLIAM STAFFORD, K.B. (died 1556), with one son born 1534/5, died 1543. She died on 19 July 1543.
Styncombe and Ewelme (1858), p. 369. CF. 4:160 (1916). CF. 6:627.629 (1926) (describes Henry as probably half-brother of Queen Elizabeth) (King Henry tacitly confirmed the affair with Mary Boleyn by having special words inserted in the dispensation for the King's marriage in 1533 with Mary's sister Anne, to extend to "any woman even in the first degree of affinity", and by the Act of Parliament passed in 1533 to permit marriage with the sister of a discarded mistress). TAG 19:200 (Apr. 1943). Paget (1977), p. 187. Bindoff (1982) 2:480. [end quote] He was Gentleman of the Privy Chamber for King Henry VIII.5,1
; her 1st husband.5,1,2,6
William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire died on 22 June 1528 at Bristol, co. Somerset, England; died of "sweating sickness."5,1,2
William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire lived at Chilton Foliott, Wiltshire, England.7 He was Esquire of the Body of King Henry VIII.8,1
; van de pas cites: 1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 4
2. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 102
3. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: O 29495
4. Living descendants of Blood Royal in America , Angerville, Count d', Reference: III 114
5. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 840.2
; per van de Pas: "William Carey, ca.1495-1528. Gentleman of the Privy Chamber and Esquire of the Body of King Henry VIII, whose mistress he married, it is possble that his children may have been fathered by the King."2
William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire lived at Aldenham, Hertfordshire, England.9,1
; per Faris (1999) p. 69: [quote] WILLIAM CAREY, Esq., of Aldenham, co. Hertford, was born about 1495, and was Gentleman of the Privy Chamber and Esquire of the Body to King Henry VIII, serving in the royal household for nearly forty years. He was married on 31 Jan. 1520/1 to MARY BOLEYN, daughter of Thomas Boleyn, K.G., Earl of Wiltshire and Earl of Ormond (descendant of King Edward I), by Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Howard, Knt. (descendant of King Edward!) [see BUTLER 4 for her ancestry]. She was born about 1500-04, and was sister of Queen ANNE BOLEYN, second wife of King Henry VIII (parents of Queen Elizabeth). She had an affair with King Henry VIII from at least February 1523 to May 1526, during which period her husband received many royal grants. Only during this period did Mary have pregnancies, until her marriage to her second husband. WILLIAM CAREY, Esq., died of "sweating sickness" on 22 June 1528. His widow was married for the second time to WILLIAM STAFFORD, K.B. (died 1556), with one son born 1534/5, died 1543. She died on 19 July 1543.
Styncombe and Ewelme (1858), p. 369. CF. 4:160 (1916). CF. 6:627.629 (1926) (describes Henry as probably half-brother of Queen Elizabeth) (King Henry tacitly confirmed the affair with Mary Boleyn by having special words inserted in the dispensation for the King's marriage in 1533 with Mary's sister Anne, to extend to "any woman even in the first degree of affinity", and by the Act of Parliament passed in 1533 to permit marriage with the sister of a discarded mistress). TAG 19:200 (Apr. 1943). Paget (1977), p. 187. Bindoff (1982) 2:480. [end quote] He was Gentleman of the Privy Chamber for King Henry VIII.5,1
Family | Mary Boleyn b. bt 1500 - 1504, d. 19 Jul 1543 |
Citations
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Carey 13: pp. 186-187. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Carey: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00054149&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Carey 12: p. 186.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Spencer: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046503&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 1-36, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary Boleyn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00054150&tree=LEO
- [S1409] Kenneth W. Kirkpatrick, "The "Loving Cosens:" Herbert Pelham, Sir Arthur Hesilrige, and Gov. Edward Winslow", The New England Historical and Genealogical Register 613 (January 2000): p. 87. Hereinafter cited as "The "Loving Cosens" (NEHGR,Jan 2000, 154:613)."
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 80-13, pp. 98-99. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 69. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
Mary Boleyn1,2
F, #11217, b. between 1500 and 1504, d. 19 July 1543
Father | Sir Thomas Boleyn KB, KG, 1st Earl of Wiltshire, Earl of Ormond3,4,1,2 b. c 1477, d. 12 Mar 1538/39 |
Mother | Lady Elizabeth Howard3,5,1,2 b. 1479, d. 3 Apr 1538 |
Last Edited | 7 Oct 2020 |
Mary Boleyn was born between 1500 and 1504 at Hever, co. Kent, England; van de Pas says b. Blickling, Norfolk.6,2 She married William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire, son of Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts and Margaret Spencer, on 31 January 1520/21 at Aldenham, Hertfordshire, England,
; her 1st husband.7,1,8,2 Mary Boleyn married Sir William Stafford K.B., son of Humphrey Stafford Knt., of Blatherwick and Margaret Fogge, circa 1528 at Chebsey, Staffordshire, England,
; her 2nd husband; van de Pas says m. 1534.9,10,1,2
Mary Boleyn died on 19 July 1543 at Chebsey, Staffordshire, England.11,2
; Weis 22-37, 1-36.7
; per van de Pas: "Her father, Thomas Boleyn, could afford to become a courtier and had made a grand marriage when he married (Lady) Elizabeth Howard, daughter of a future Duke of Norfolk. Three children had been born, Mary, Anne and George. There had been a scandal about Lady Elizabeth Boleyn and her extra-marital activities.
Thomas Boleyn had sent Mary first to Brussels at the Court of Margaret of Austria, the ruler of The Netherlands, and later to the French Court where it was rumoured that Mary Boleyn had been the mistress of the French king, François I. After this Mary returned to the English Court.
Henry VIII had had a mistress, Elizabeth Blount, one of Queen Katherine's waiting women; and in 1519 Bessie Blount had borne a son. Then Henry VIII took Mary Boleyn as his mistress. However, this did not last for very long and Mary married William Carey, a man of moderate means and a fairly undistinguished member of the king's household.
William Carey is reputedly the father of the two children born while they were married but circumstantial evidence makes Henry VIII father of these two children. When William Carey died, she remarried Sir William Stafford. When Mary Boleyn died she was probably about thirty-eight years or so old."2
; van de pas cites: 1. Genealogists' Magazine, Journal of the Society of Genealogists, London, Reference: March 1997
2. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 102
3. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 967
4. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: O 29496
5. Living descendants of Blood Royal in America , Angerville, Count d', Reference: III 114
6. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis
7. Descendants of Elizabeth Cheyne, 2008 , Bradley, Hal.2
; her 1st husband.7,1,8,2 Mary Boleyn married Sir William Stafford K.B., son of Humphrey Stafford Knt., of Blatherwick and Margaret Fogge, circa 1528 at Chebsey, Staffordshire, England,
; her 2nd husband; van de Pas says m. 1534.9,10,1,2
Mary Boleyn died on 19 July 1543 at Chebsey, Staffordshire, England.11,2
; Weis 22-37, 1-36.7
; per van de Pas: "Her father, Thomas Boleyn, could afford to become a courtier and had made a grand marriage when he married (Lady) Elizabeth Howard, daughter of a future Duke of Norfolk. Three children had been born, Mary, Anne and George. There had been a scandal about Lady Elizabeth Boleyn and her extra-marital activities.
Thomas Boleyn had sent Mary first to Brussels at the Court of Margaret of Austria, the ruler of The Netherlands, and later to the French Court where it was rumoured that Mary Boleyn had been the mistress of the French king, François I. After this Mary returned to the English Court.
Henry VIII had had a mistress, Elizabeth Blount, one of Queen Katherine's waiting women; and in 1519 Bessie Blount had borne a son. Then Henry VIII took Mary Boleyn as his mistress. However, this did not last for very long and Mary married William Carey, a man of moderate means and a fairly undistinguished member of the king's household.
William Carey is reputedly the father of the two children born while they were married but circumstantial evidence makes Henry VIII father of these two children. When William Carey died, she remarried Sir William Stafford. When Mary Boleyn died she was probably about thirty-eight years or so old."2
; van de pas cites: 1. Genealogists' Magazine, Journal of the Society of Genealogists, London, Reference: March 1997
2. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 102
3. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 967
4. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: O 29496
5. Living descendants of Blood Royal in America , Angerville, Count d', Reference: III 114
6. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis
7. Descendants of Elizabeth Cheyne, 2008 , Bradley, Hal.2
Family 1 | William Carey Esq., of Aldenham, Hertfordshire b. c 1495, d. 22 Jun 1528 |
Family 2 | Henry VIII (?) King of England b. 28 Jun 1491, d. 28 Jan 1547 |
Children |
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Family 3 | Sir William Stafford K.B. b. c 1500, d. 1556 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Carey 13: pp. 186-187. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary Boleyn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00054150&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Butler 15: p. 180.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Thomas Boleyn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007921&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Elizabeth Howard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007907&tree=LEO
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 69. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 1-36, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Carey: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00054149&tree=LEO
- [S673] David Faris, Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry, CAREY 3, p. 69.
- [S905] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:2172660, Karen Moore (unknown location), downloaded 20 July 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:755272&id=I35757320
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 22-36, p. 24.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Catherine Cary: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062073&tree=LEO
- [S1395] Philippa Gregory, The Other Boleyn Girl (n.p.: Simon & Schuster, Inc., 2001), p. 663. Hereinafter cited as Gregory, "The Other Boleyn Girl."
Margaret Spencer1,2
F, #11218, b. circa 1472
Father | Sir Robert Spencer Knt., of Spencercombe, Devonshire3,4,2 b. c 1435, d. 1510 |
Mother | Eleanor Beaufort Countess of Wiltshire3,5,2 d. 16 Aug 1501 |
Last Edited | 13 Aug 2008 |
Margaret Spencer was born circa 1472; Richardson says "aged 30 in 1502."6,1,2 She married Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts, son of Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon and Alice Fulford, in 1490.6,1,2
; van de pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: P 49892
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 4
3. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 88, 840
4. Living descendants of Blood Royal in America , Angerville, Count d', Reference: 8
5. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 102.2
; per Faris (1999) p. 69: [quote] MARGARET SPENCER, elder daughter and co-heiress, was born about 1472 (aged thirty and more at mother's Inq.p.m.) She was married about 1490 to THOMAS CAREY (or CARY), of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts, and Moulsford, co. Berks, M.P., son of William Carey, Knt., of Cockington, Devon, by Alice, daughter of Baldwin Fulford, Knt., of Fulford, Devon. He was born say 1460. In the period 1518-1529, he sued John Fulford, Esq., in Chancery in right of his wife Margaret, daughter and heir of Robert Spencer, Knt., regarding detention of deeds relating to the Manor of Ashbury, Devon, and half the Manor of Brompton Ralph, Somerset. THOMAS CAREY died before 21 June 1536.
TAG 19:199-200 (Apr. 1943). Paget (1977), p. 251. Early Chancery Proceedings 5:264. [end quote]
; van de pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: P 49892
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 4
3. Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 88, 840
4. Living descendants of Blood Royal in America , Angerville, Count d', Reference: 8
5. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 102.2
; per Faris (1999) p. 69: [quote] MARGARET SPENCER, elder daughter and co-heiress, was born about 1472 (aged thirty and more at mother's Inq.p.m.) She was married about 1490 to THOMAS CAREY (or CARY), of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts, and Moulsford, co. Berks, M.P., son of William Carey, Knt., of Cockington, Devon, by Alice, daughter of Baldwin Fulford, Knt., of Fulford, Devon. He was born say 1460. In the period 1518-1529, he sued John Fulford, Esq., in Chancery in right of his wife Margaret, daughter and heir of Robert Spencer, Knt., regarding detention of deeds relating to the Manor of Ashbury, Devon, and half the Manor of Brompton Ralph, Somerset. THOMAS CAREY died before 21 June 1536.
TAG 19:199-200 (Apr. 1943). Paget (1977), p. 251. Early Chancery Proceedings 5:264. [end quote]
Family | Thomas Carey of Chilton Foliot, co. Wilts b. bt 1455 - 1460, d. b 21 Jun 1536 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Carey 12: p. 186. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Spencer: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046503&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Carey 11: p. 186.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Robert Spencer: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002029&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleanor Beaufort: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002028&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 1-35, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon1
M, #11219, b. 12 August 1437, d. 6 April 1471
Father | Philip Carey of Cockington2 |
Mother | Christina Orchard3 |
Last Edited | 13 Aug 2008 |
Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon married Alice Fulford, daughter of Sir Baldwin Fulford Knt. and Elizabeth (Jennet) Bozon,
; his 2nd wife.4,1,5 Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon was born on 12 August 1437.4,1
Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon died on 6 April 1471 at age 33; beheaded.6,1
; van de Pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Q 99781
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter, Reference: 4.1
; Weis [AR7] 135.7
; his 2nd wife.4,1,5 Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon was born on 12 August 1437.4,1
Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon died on 6 April 1471 at age 33; beheaded.6,1
; van de Pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Q 99781
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter, Reference: 4.1
; Weis [AR7] 135.7
Family | Alice Fulford |
Child |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Cary:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104629&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Philip Cary, of Cockington:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104623&tree=LEO - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Christina Orchard:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104624&tree=LEO - [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 1-35, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Carey 12: p. 186. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 1-35, p. 4: "...beheaded."
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 1-35, p. 4: "...an eminent Lancastrian."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas Cary, of Chilton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104622&tree=LEO
Alice Fulford1,2
F, #11220
Father | Sir Baldwin Fulford Knt.1,2 |
Mother | Elizabeth (Jennet) Bozon3 |
Last Edited | 13 Aug 2008 |
Alice Fulford married Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon, son of Philip Carey of Cockington and Christina Orchard,
; his 2nd wife.4,5,2
; van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Q 99782.1
; Weis [AR7] 1-35.4
; his 2nd wife.4,5,2
; van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Q 99782.1
; Weis [AR7] 1-35.4
Family | Sir William Carey Knt., of Cockington, Devon b. 12 Aug 1437, d. 6 Apr 1471 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice Fulford:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104630&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website. - [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Carey 12: p. 186. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth (Jennet) Bozon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104627&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 1-35, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Cary:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104629&tree=LEO - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas Cary, of Chilton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104622&tree=LEO