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     Sir John Wingfield Knt., KB, of Letheringham, Suffolk married Anne Audley, daughter of Sir John Audley (Tuchet) 6th Lord Audley and Anne Echingham.^1,6,3

Sir John Wingfield Knt., KB, of Letheringham, Suffolk died in 1509.^1,2
     He was Sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk.¹

; van de Pas cites: Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 1999 , Reference: Page 2299.³

; fought at Bosworth against King Richard III, and was pardoned.^7,2

     Elizabeth Wingfield married Francis Hall of Grantham, Lincolnshire, son of Thomas Hall Esq., of Grantham, Lincolnshire and Alice Bramswell, before 1504.^6,2,3

      ; van de Pas cites: The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the USA, Baltimore, 1993, Roberts, Gary Boyd, Reference: 289.³

     Anne Audley married Sir John Wingfield Knt., KB, of Letheringham, Suffolk, son of Sir John Wingfield Knt., KB, of Letheringham, Suffolk and Elizabeth fitz Lewis.^1,2,6

      ; van de Pas cites: Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 1999 , Reference: Page 2299.² Anne Audley was also known as Anne Touchet.²

     Anne Echingham married Sir John Audley (Tuchet) 6th Lord Audley, son of Sir James Tuchet (Audley) 5th Lord Audley and Margaret de Ros, before 1456.^1,6,2,3

     Richard Wingfield Esq., of Crowfield, Suffolk married Mary Hardwick, daughter of John Hardwick Esq., of Hardwick, co. Derby and Elizabeth Leake.^3,5
Richard Wingfield Esq., of Crowfield, Suffolk married Joan Clerke
; his 2nd wife.³
Richard Wingfield Esq., of Crowfield, Suffolk died between 2 May 1588 and 14 August 1591; Will dated 2 May 1588, proved 14 Aug 1591.^2,3

His estate was probated on 14 August 1591
; P.C.C. 62 Sainberbe.³
     Richard Wingfield Esq., of Crowfield, Suffolk left a will on 2 May 1588.³

     Francis Hall of Grantham, Lincolnshire was born before 1476.^1,2 He married Elizabeth Wingfield, daughter of Sir John Wingfield Knt., KB, of Letheringham, Suffolk and Elizabeth fitz Lewis, before 1504.^1,2,3

Francis Hall of Grantham, Lincolnshire died on 14 August 1534; died intestate.^1,2
     He was Alderman at Grantham, Lincolnshire, England.¹ He was Comptroller of Calais.¹

Francis Hall of Grantham, Lincolnshire lived at Grantham, Lincolnshire, England.¹ As of before 1518, Francis Hall of Grantham, Lincolnshire lived at an unknown place ; entered the service of his wife's cousin, the Duke of Suffolk.¹

     Thomas Hall Esq., of Grantham, Lincolnshire married Alice Bramswell, daughter of John Bramswell.^1,2

     Alice Bramswell married Thomas Hall Esq., of Grantham, Lincolnshire.^1,2

     Francis Hall Esq., of Grantham, Lincolnshire married Ursula Sherington, daughter of Thomas Sherington,
; her 1st husband.^1,3
Francis Hall Esq., of Grantham, Lincolnshire died in July 1553.^1,3

     Ursula Sherington married Francis Hall Esq., of Grantham, Lincolnshire, son of Francis Hall of Grantham, Lincolnshire and Elizabeth Wingfield,
; her 1st husband.^1,3 Ursula Sherington married John Bannaster of Calais and Beningbrough, Yorks after 1553
; her 2nd husband.^1,3
Ursula Sherington died in 1569.¹
Ursula Sherington was buried on 5 July 1569 at Grantham, Lincolnshire, England.^1,3

     John Bannaster of Calais and Beningbrough, Yorks married Ursula Sherington, daughter of Thomas Sherington, after 1553
; her 2nd husband.^1,2
John Bannaster of Calais and Beningbrough, Yorks died in 1556.²

     Jane Hall married Francis Neale Esq., of Keythorpe, Leicestershire
; her 1st husband.³ Jane Hall married Henry Skipwith Esq., of Keythorpe and Tugby, Leicestershire, son of Sir William Skipwith Knt., of Ormsby, Lincolnshire and Alice Dymoke, on 30 April 1562
; his 1st wife; her 2nd husband.³
Jane Hall died on 11 May 1598.³

     Anne Heydon married Sir Henry Gurney Knt.^1,2
Anne Heydon married Sir Lionel Dymoke Knt., of Horncastle, Lincolnshire, son of Sir Thomas Dymoke Knt., of Scrivelsby, co. Lincoln and Margaret Welles, before 5 July 1510.^1,2

Anne Heydon died circa 1521; per Richardson: Will proved in 1521.^1,2

     Frank Hill married Mary Godfrey.³
Frank Hill was born between 1896 and 1898.²
     Frank Hill lived at Wilmington, New Castle Co., Delaware, USA.

     GAV-25 EDV-25.

     Jacque L. (?) married Mickey Simms, son of Don Earl Simms and Gaye Ann York.
Jacque L. (?) was born on 15 May 1961.
Jacque L. (?) died on 5 July 1998 at age 37.

     Gilbert de Umfreville died between 1302 and 1303; d.s.p.^1,5 He married Margaret de Clare, daughter of Thomas de Clare Earl, of Thomnd in Connaught and Juliane Fitz Maurice of Dublin.^1,4,5,3

     Beatrice de Warenne married Doum Bardolf, son of Thomas Bardolf and Rose Hanselyn of Shelford, Notts.³
Beatrice de Warenne was born in 1175.² She married Hubert de Burgh 1st Earl of Kent, son of Walter de Burgh and Alice Ponchard, circa 1209
;
His 1st wife.^1,2,5,6
Beatrice de Warenne died before 12 December 1214.⁶
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. vol 1 183
     2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. VII 141
     23. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:699.⁶

; Beatrice, *1175; 1m: Doun de Bardolf (*ca 1175 +1209); 2m: Hubert de Burgh (*1175 +1243.)² Beatrice de Warenne was also known as Beatrix de Warren.³ GAV-24.

     William de Warenne Lord of Wormgay married Beatrix de Pierrepont, daughter of Hugues de Pierrepont Sire de Pierrepont and Clémence de Réthel,
; his 1st(?) wife.^6,3 William de Warenne Lord of Wormgay married Isabel de Hayden
;
His 2nd(?) wife.⁷ William de Warenne Lord of Wormgay married Millicent de Montfichet, daughter of Richard de Montfichet of Stanstead Montfichet, Essex and Millicent (?),
;
His 2nd (?) wife.^8,9
William de Warenne Lord of Wormgay died between 1208 and 1209.²
      ; Earl William Warren; m.Beatrice de Pierpoint/ ?(2m.) Isabel de Hayden.³ GAV-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 699.² William de Warenne Lord of Wormgay was also known as William de Warren.¹⁰

     Margery de Burgh was Nun at Chiksand, Bedfordshire, England.^1,3

     Henry Carey Viscount Hunsdon was born on 4 February 1526.¹ He married Anne Morgan, daughter of Sir Thomas Morgan of Arkeston, co. Hereford and Anne Whitney, circa 11 March 1545
; date of license.⁵
     Henry Carey Viscount Hunsdon was Viscount Hunsdon, named by Queen Elizabeth I.¹

; In my view, with cases of disputed paternity that are supported by unambiguous and powerful circumstantial evidence the likeliest candidate should be shown as father in a genealogy (despite legal incongruencies), with clear indications nonehtheless of just who the legal "father" is/was. So, as to the _DNB_, I think it should be stated that Henry VIII was probably the father of the 1st Lord Hunsdon, though Hunsdon was nominally the son of his mother's husband William Carey.

In this particular instance, I think this is especially justified as a number of leading Tudor historians (Wallace MacCaffrey (Harvard), Dale Hoak (William and Mary), inter alios) concur with my hypothesis that Henry VIII probably fathered the Carey children of Mary Boleyn.
With best wishes,
Tony Hoskins
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562.⁶

; I may be breaking a record by replying to a post over two years after it was made, but I just ran across the reference I referred to earlier (regarding the earlier work in which I saw the Henry-Carey-as-son-of-Henry-VIII passage quoted). It appears on p. 324 of Paul Friedmann, "Anne Boleyn: A Chapter of English History 1527-1536" (London, 1884), vol. 2:
"There is still at the Record Office a paper containing the confession of a monk of Syon, in which the following passage occurs: 'Moreover, Mr. Skydmore did show me young master Care, saying that he was our sovereign lord the king's son, by our sovereign lady the queen's sister, whom the queen's grace might not suffer to be in the court.' [footnote: R. O. 26th, Henry VIII. Box Q, No. 127.]"

To give this come context, here's my original post (of 11 June 2001):
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On 10 Jun 2001, Chris Phillips wrote:
>> I wrote:
>>>> > > Anthony Hoskins argued in favour of the theory [that the Careys were illegitimate children of Henry VIII] in an article in the March 1997 issue of the "Genealogists' Magazine" (Society of Genealogists of London). Among other evidence, he quoted, "for the first time", a contemporary (or should it be contemporaneous?) letter from the vicar of Isleworth, which says "Mr Skydmore did show to me yongge Master Care, saying that he was our suffren Lord the Kynge's son by our suffren Lady the Qwyen's syster...".
>>> ...
>> Robert Battle replied:
>>>> > This has been commented on with regard to Henry Cary as an illegitimate some of Henry VIII, and some time before Hoskins' article. I'll have to look up the reference, but when I was still in high school (and thus some time before 1993) I read a biography of either Henry VIII or Anne Boleyn in which this information appeared.
>>>>>
>> Yes - Hoskins does say that "rumours regarding Henry Carey's royal paternity have long circulated...", and cites Complete Peerage vol.6, pp.627-8 (which mentions the possibility that Henry VIII was the father) and Gerald Paget, "The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles..." (1977), vol.1, p.33 (which lists four possible illegitimate children of the king).



I recognize that Hoskins did not claim to be the first to suggest the paternity of Henry Carey. What I dispute it his apparent claim that his article represents the first quotation/discussion of the letter of the vicar of Isleworth mentioning "young master Carey."

I am fairly certain that I have read a more complete discussion of the actual letter before 1993, but the following reference will suffice to show that the letter was known and cited long before Hoskins' article:

"Next there was Mary Boleyn, since 1521 wife of William Carey....That Mary was at one time Henry's mistress, and this presumably after her marriage, is beyond doubt. [footnote: Friedmann, _Anne_Boleyn_ (1884), app. B -- which destroys Froude's attempt to exculpate Henry of this adultery.] Years later there was a strong rumour that she too had born Henry a son [footnote: In 1535 John Hale, vicar of Isleworth, said that a Brigettine of Sion once showed him 'young master Carey', saying that he was Henry's bastard. _L.P._, viii, 567.], but we cannot be sure." (J. J. Scarisbrick, _Henry_VIII_ (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1968), pp. 147-148).

>> I think Hoskins does claim to be the first to suggest that Henry Carey's sister Catherine was also a child of the king, though.

I'm fairly certain I've seen this claimed elsewhere and earlier as well, but I can't remember where .

-Robert Battle.⁷

     (?) Stafford was born between 1534 and 1535.¹
(?) Stafford died in 1543.¹