Sir John Drummond Knt., of Concraig1,2

M, #51421, d. 1360
Last Edited3 Sep 2019
     Sir John Drummond Knt., of Concraig died in 1360.2 He married Margaret Graham Countess of Menteith (suo juris), daughter of Sir John de Graham Earl of Menteith and Mary (?) Countess of Menteith, before 29 April 1360;
Her 3rd husband.3,2,4
     ; van de Pas cites: The Great Historic Families of Scotland, London, 1889, Taylor, James, Reference: 23.2

Family

Margaret Graham Countess of Menteith (suo juris) b. bt 1333 - 1339, d. c 1380

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John Drummond, of Concraig: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00315434&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Graham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046288&tree=LEO
  4. [S2083] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 21 June 2006: "SP Correction: Alan, earl of Menteith (d.ca. 1308) and the Earls of Fife"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 21 June 2006."

Sir Robert Graham Knt., of Kilpont1

M, #51422, d. 1437
FatherSir Patrick Graham Knt., of Kincardine, Lord of Dundaff1 d. bt 6 May 1400 - 1404
MotherEgidia Stewart1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     Sir Robert Graham Knt., of Kilpont died in 1437 at Stirling, Scotland; executed.1
     ; Robert (Sir), of Kilpont, the regicide, who assassinated JAMES I at Perth, 21 Feb 1437, and was executed at Stirling 1437. He left issue.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

David Graham1

M, #51423
FatherSir Patrick Graham Knt., of Kincardine, Lord of Dundaff1 d. bt 6 May 1400 - 1404
MotherEgidia Stewart1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Alexander Graham1

M, #51424
FatherSir Patrick Graham Knt., of Kincardine, Lord of Dundaff1 d. bt 6 May 1400 - 1404
MotherEgidia Stewart1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Mariota Oliphant1

F, #51425
FatherSir John Oliphant Knt., of Aberdalgy1
Last Edited2 Dec 2006

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Sir John Oliphant Knt., of Aberdalgy1

M, #51426
Last Edited6 Oct 2002

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Alexander Graham1

M, #51427
FatherSir William Graham Knt., of Kincardine1
Last Edited2 Dec 2006
     Alexander Graham died; dvp.1
     ; From the revised chronology of the family (as imperfect as it stands as yet), Alexander Graham (father of Sir Patrick, the first Lord
Graham, who d. 1466) could not have been the son of Mariota Oliphant. It now appears that either

1. Mariota Oliphant was married to Robert Graham, brother of William (see SP VI:215-217 for discussion on this subject), or

2. If William Graham in fact married Mariota, or even a sister of Mariota, that Alexander would have been the son of an earlier, unknown marriage.

I have seen it put about that William Graham was married 1st to a Lindsay (unknown to the author of the SP article). If so, and she was a sister of Sir David de Lindsay (1st Earl of Crawford) everything would work, incl. Alexander's name, with one outstanding gap: a dispensation would have been needed for the marriage of Sir Patrick Graham, Lord Graham, and his wife Christian Erskine as they would have been related in the 3rd and 3rd degree. I have found no evidence to date of such a dispensation, but that proves nothing one way or the other.

Irregardless, it is safe to say the Oliphant marriage (and descent) are out.

Thanks for raising the issue!

Cheers, John


WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/11/05 1:04:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, therav3@aol.com
> > writes:
> >
> > << There is onomastic support for this identification. Sir
> > Patrick had by his 2nd wife Egidia Stewart a son Sir Patrick Graham,
> > who was m. ca. 1406 to Euphemia Stewart, heiress of her father David
> > Stewart, Earl of Strathearn (a son of King Robert II). >>
> >
> > Does SP and you still have support for the idea that
> > William, Lord Graham (d Aug 1423/5) mar Mariot Olyphant
> > was the son of this
> > Patrick Graham and his first wife?
> >
> > The chronology no longer works from what I have.
> > Thanks
> > Will Johnson.2



; Alexander, who had a safe-conduct to go into England as a hostage for Murdoch, s of Robert, Duke of Albany, the Regent, 31 July 1408. He dvp leaving issue.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1998] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Nov 2005: "Re: SP Addition: Helen of Strathearn, wife of Sir David Graham," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 12 Nov 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Nov 2005."

Alexander Graham1

M, #51428
FatherAlexander Graham1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Catherine Graham1

F, #51429
FatherAlexander Graham1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stirling Home Drummong Moray of Abercairny Family Page.

Sir Humphrey Moray Knt., of Ogilvy, 4th of Abercairny1

M, #51430, d. 1503
FatherSir Andrew Moray of Ogilvy, 3rd Laird of Abercairny2
MotherAgnes Cunningham2
Last Edited2 Nov 2002
     Sir Humphrey Moray Knt., of Ogilvy, 4th of Abercairny married Catherine Graham, daughter of Alexander Graham; had issue.1
Sir Humphrey Moray Knt., of Ogilvy, 4th of Abercairny died in 1503.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stirling Home Drummong Moray of Abercairny Family Page.

John Graham1

M, #51431
FatherSir William Graham Knt., of Kincardine1
MotherMariota Oliphant1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     John Graham was living between 8 January 1421 and 1422.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Sir John Stewart1

M, #51432
FatherRobert II Stewart King of the Scots1 b. 2 Mar 1316, d. 19 Apr 1390
Last Edited27 Nov 2002
     Sir John Stewart married Elizabeth Graham, daughter of Sir William Graham Knt., of Kincardine and Mariota Oliphant, in 1414.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Elizabeth Graham1

F, #51433
FatherSir William Graham Knt., of Kincardine1
MotherMariota Oliphant1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     Elizabeth Graham married Sir John Stewart, son of Robert II Stewart King of the Scots, in 1414.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Robert Graham of Strathcarron1

M, #51434
FatherSir William Graham Knt., of Kincardine1
MotherMary Stewart1 d. by 1458
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     ; Robert, of Strathcarron, ancestor of GRAHAM of Fintry (see BURKE's L.G. 1937 edn), and GRAHAM of Claverhouse, a family to which the heroic defender of the House of Stuart, the "Bonnie Dundee", JOHN of Claverhouse, cr in 1688, Viscount Dundee, who fell victoriously at the battle of Killiecrankie, 26 May 1689, has given a great and a historic reputation (see BURKE's Dormant and Extinct Peerages).1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

William Graham1

M, #51435
FatherSir William Graham Knt., of Kincardine1
MotherMary Stewart1 d. by 1458
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     ; William, progenitor of GRAEME of Garvock (see that family), and of the gallant SIR THOMAS GRAHAM, the hero of Barossa, who was cr 17 May 1814, LORD LYNEDOCH, and m Mary (who d 1792), dau of 9th Baron Cathcart (see BURKE's PEERAGE & BARONETAGE 1999 Edn, CATHCART, E), by whom he had no issue. Ld Lyndeoch d aged 92, 18 Dec 1843, when his peerage became extinct (see BURKE's Dormant and Extinct Peerages).1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Walter Graham of Wallacetown1

M, #51436
FatherSir William Graham Knt., of Kincardine1
MotherMary Stewart1 d. by 1458
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     ; ancestor of GRAHAM of Knockdolian.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

George Graham of Callander1

M, #51437
FatherWilliam Graham 2nd Lord Graham1 d. 1472
MotherHelen Douglas1 d. a 20 Nov 1486
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     George Graham of Callander died at Battle of Flodden Field, Northumberland, England.1 He married Elizabeth Oliphant.1
     ; George, of Callander, who fell at Flodden, leaving by Elizabeth Oliphant, his w, a s, William, of Callandar, whose s, JOHN GRAHAM, who d before 1597, was f of LAURENCE GRAHAM, whose dau, and eventual heiress, AGNES GRAHAM; m JOHN BONAR of Kilgraston (see BURKE's L.G. 1952 Supp.)

Family

Elizabeth Oliphant

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Margaret Innes1

F, #51439
Last Edited20 Mar 2003
     Margaret Innes married Sir James Ogilvy of Deskford and Findlater, son of Walter Ogilvy of Deskford and Margaret Sinclair; his 1st wife.1

Family

Sir James Ogilvy of Deskford and Findlater d. bt 13 Feb 1509 - 1510
Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Ogilvy-Grant, Earls of Seafield Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Christian Graham1,2

F, #51441
FatherWilliam Graham 2nd Lord Graham1,2 d. 1472
MotherHelen Douglas1,2 d. a 20 Nov 1486
Last Edited23 Jun 2014
     Christian Graham married James Haldane Laird of Gleneagles before 20 December 1481; her 1st husband.3,2 Christian Graham married Sir Thomas Maule Knt., of Panmure; her 2nd husband.4,5,2
     Reference: van de Pas cites: Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 1937 1012.2

Family 2

Sir Thomas Maule Knt., of Panmure

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Christian Graham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00294878&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page - see (CHINNERY) HALDANE of Gleneagles.
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page - see BURKE's Dormant & Extinct Peerages, PANMURE, E.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Thomas Maule, of Panmure: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00575976&tree=LEO

James Haldane Laird of Gleneagles1

M, #51442
Last Edited23 Jun 2014
     James Haldane Laird of Gleneagles married Christian Graham, daughter of William Graham 2nd Lord Graham and Helen Douglas, before 20 December 1481; her 1st husband.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page - see (CHINNERY) HALDANE of Gleneagles. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Christian Graham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00294878&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Walter Graham1

M, #51444
FatherWilliam Graham 1st Earl of Montrose1 b. bt 1463 - 1464, d. 9 Sep 1513
MotherAnnabella Drummond1 d. b 17 Mar 1505
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     ; ancestor of GRAHAM of Cairnie.1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Janet Edmonstone1

F, #51445
Last Edited6 Oct 2002

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Margaret Graham1

F, #51446
FatherWilliam Graham 1st Earl of Montrose1 b. bt 1463 - 1464, d. 9 Sep 1513
MotherJanet Edmonstone1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     Margaret Graham married Sir John Somerville of Cambusnettan circa 1510; contract 10 Jul 1510.1

Family

Sir John Somerville of Cambusnettan d. 9 Sep 1513
Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Leslie, Earls Rothes Family Page.

Sir John Somerville of Cambusnettan1

M, #51447, d. 9 September 1513
Last Edited1 Oct 2006
     Sir John Somerville of Cambusnettan married Margaret Graham, daughter of William Graham 1st Earl of Montrose and Janet Edmonstone, circa 1510; contract 10 Jul 1510.1
Sir John Somerville of Cambusnettan died on 9 September 1513 at Battle of Flodden Field, Northumberland, England.2

Family

Margaret Graham
Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1969] James Dow Allen, "Allen email 1 Oct 2005: "Diana's ancestors fallen at Flodden Field"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Oct 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Allen email 1 Oct 2005."
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Leslie, Earls Rothes Family Page.

Helen Graham1

F, #51448
FatherWilliam Graham 1st Earl of Montrose1 b. bt 1463 - 1464, d. 9 Sep 1513
MotherJanet Edmonstone1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     Helen Graham married Humphrey Colquhoun younger of Luss circa 1509; dispensation 13 July 1509.2

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page - see COLQUHOUN of Luss, Bt.

Humphrey Colquhoun younger of Luss1

M, #51449
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     Humphrey Colquhoun younger of Luss married Helen Graham, daughter of William Graham 1st Earl of Montrose and Janet Edmonstone, circa 1509; dispensation 13 July 1509.1

Family

Helen Graham

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page - see COLQUHOUN of Luss, Bt. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Christian Wawane1

F, #51450
FatherThomas Wawane of Stevenstoun1
Last Edited6 Oct 2002
     Christian Wawane married William Graham 1st Earl of Montrose, son of William Graham 2nd Lord Graham and Helen Douglas.1 Christian Wawane married Andrew Mowbray of Edunburgh, 6th Lord Halyburton.1

Family 1

Andrew Mowbray of Edunburgh, 6th Lord Halyburton

Family 2

William Graham 1st Earl of Montrose b. bt 1463 - 1464, d. 9 Sep 1513
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.