Isabel/Elizabeth Stafford1

F, #12691, d. after 3 May 1405
FatherSir Humphrey Stafford of Amblecote2
MotherAlice Grenville3
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Isabel/Elizabeth Stafford married Sir John Tuchet 2nd Lord Tuchet, 4th Lord Audley, son of Sir John Tuchet Knt and Margaret/Margery de Mortimer.4,1
Isabel/Elizabeth Stafford died after 3 May 1405; van de Pas says d. "aft Jun 1405."4,1
     ; van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, Reference: 182
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: I 340.1

Family

Sir John Tuchet 2nd Lord Tuchet, 4th Lord Audley b. 23 Apr 1372, d. 19 Dec 1408
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel|Elizabeth Stafford: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00113559&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Humphrey Stafford, of Amblecote: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00385210&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice Grenville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00385211&tree=LEO
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 12-10, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Touchet: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00220800&tree=LEO
  6. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Lowell 12: p. 470. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Margaret de Badlesmere1

F, #12692, d. 1 July 1393
Last Edited20 Apr 2003
     Margaret de Badlesmere married John de Loveyne.2
Margaret de Badlesmere died on 1 July 1393.2
     ; Burke's Extinct Peerages says that was the "sister of Bartholomew, Lord Badlesmere."1

Family

John de Loveyne

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Burghersh - Barons Burghersh, p. 93. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 13-8, p. 15. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.

Elizabeth de Multon

F, #12693, b. circa 1306
FatherThomas Multon Lord Multon of Egremont1,2 b. 21 Feb 1276, d. bt 1 May 1321 - 8 Feb 1322
MotherLady Eleanor de Burgh3 d. a Aug 1324
Last Edited7 Jun 2020
     Elizabeth de Multon was born circa 1306.4 She married Sir Robert de Harington Knt., son of Sir John de Harington Knt., MP, 1st Lord Harington and Joan Dacre, circa 1327.5,1 Elizabeth de Multon married Walter de Birmingham circa November 1334; in or before Nov 1334.5
     Reference: Weis MCS 15-8.4

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Harington Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3L-O.htm#ThomasMultondied1322. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Eleanor de Burgh: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00110865&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15-8, p. 15. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  5. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 15-8, pp. 15-16.

Walter de Birmingham

M, #12694
Last Edited18 Aug 2019
     Walter de Birmingham married Elizabeth de Multon, daughter of Thomas Multon Lord Multon of Egremont and Lady Eleanor de Burgh, circa November 1334; in or before Nov 1334.1
     ; Weis MCS 15-8.1

Family 1

Child

Family 2

Elizabeth de Multon b. c 1306

Citations

  1. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15-8, pp. 15-16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Harington Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington1

M, #12695, b. circa 1328, d. 28 May 1363
FatherSir Robert de Harington Knt. b. 1305, d. 1334
MotherElizabeth de Multon b. c 1306
Last Edited18 Jan 2014
     Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington married Joan de Birmingham, daughter of Walter de Birmingham.2,1 Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington married Lady Katherine de Courtenay, daughter of Sir Hugh de Courtenay KG, 2nd/10th Earl Devon, Lord Courtenay and Margaret de Bohun; her 1st husband.3,4 Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington was born circa 1328; Burke's Peerage says "b by 1315."5,1
Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington died on 28 May 1363 at Gleaston Hall, Aldingham, co. Cumbria, England.5,1
     ; For more information on the Harrinton family (various spellings), see the article on the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography."6 He was 2nd Lord Harington.5,1

; JOHN de HAVERINGTON, 2nd LORD (Baron) HARINGTON; b by 1315; m (?)Joan, dau of Walter de Bermingham(?), and d 28 May 1363, leaving issue.1

; Weis MCS 15-9.7

Family 2

Joan de Birmingham
Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Harington Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 40-33. p44. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Engaine - Barons Engaine, p. 189. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Catherine de Courtenay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075128&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15-9, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  6. [S2286] Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online http://oxforddnb.com/index/, Harrington family: https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/54525. Hereinafter cited as ODNB - Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
  7. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 15-9, p. 16: "...his wife may have been a dau. of Walter de Birmingham" [his stepfather, 2nd husband of his mother].
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Haverington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00220794&tree=LEO

Sir Robert de Harington KB, 3rd Lord Harington1

M, #12696, b. 28 March 1356, d. 21 May 1406
FatherSir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington1,2 b. c 1328, d. 28 May 1363
MotherJoan de Birmingham1,2
Last Edited18 Jan 2014
     Sir Robert de Harington KB, 3rd Lord Harington was born on 28 March 1356 at Aldingham, Lancashire, England; Burke's Peerage says "bapt 28 March 1356."3,1,2 He married Alice de Greystoke, daughter of Sir William de Greystoke Knt., 2nd Lord Greystoke and Joan fitz Henry, circa 1376; his 1st wife.3,1 Sir Robert de Harington KB, 3rd Lord Harington married Isabel Loring, daughter of Sir Nele Loring Kg, circa 1383; his 2nd wife, her 2nd husband.3,1,4,2
Sir Robert de Harington KB, 3rd Lord Harington died on 21 May 1406 at Aldingham, Lancashire, England, at age 50.3,1,2
     He was 3rd Lord Harington.3,1

; Sir ROBERT de HAVERINGTON, 3rd LORD (Baron) HARINGTON; bapt 28 March 1356; ktd 1377; m 1st c 1376 Alice de Greystoke (dsp), dau of 2nd Lord (Baron) Greystock; m 2nd c 1383 Isabel (d 21 Aug 1400), widow of Sir William Cogan, of Bampton, Devon (d 1382), and dau of Sir Nele Loring, KG, and d 21 May 1406.1

; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VI 316.2

Family 1

Alice de Greystoke d. b 1383

Family 2

Isabel Loring d. 21 Aug 1400
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Harington Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Haverington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00220794&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15-10, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel Loring: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00220795&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Harington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00377587&tree=LEO

Joan de Birmingham1

F, #12697
FatherWalter de Birmingham2
Last Edited18 Jan 2014
     Joan de Birmingham married Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington, son of Sir Robert de Harington Knt. and Elizabeth de Multon.1,2
     ; Weis MCS 15-9.3

Family

Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington b. c 1328, d. 28 May 1363
Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 40-33. p44. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Harington Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15-9, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Haverington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00220794&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Alice de Greystoke1

F, #12698, d. before 1383
FatherSir William de Greystoke Knt., 2nd Lord Greystoke1,2 b. b 6 Jan 1321, d. 10 Jul 1359
MotherJoan fitz Henry2 b. c 1325, d. 1 Sep 1403
Last Edited26 Oct 2008
     Alice de Greystoke married Sir Robert de Harington KB, 3rd Lord Harington, son of Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington and Joan de Birmingham, circa 1376; his 1st wife.3,1
Alice de Greystoke died before 1383.3
     

Family

Sir Robert de Harington KB, 3rd Lord Harington b. 28 Mar 1356, d. 21 May 1406

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Harington Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Greystoke 9: p. 362. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15-10, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.

Isabel Loring1,2,3

F, #12699, d. 21 August 1400
FatherSir Nele Loring Kg4,1,2,3 d. 1386
Last Edited18 Jan 2014
     Isabel Loring married Sir William Cogan Knt., of Bampton, Devon; her 1st husband.5,1,6,2,3 Isabel Loring married Sir Robert de Harington KB, 3rd Lord Harington, son of Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington and Joan de Birmingham, circa 1383; his 2nd wife, her 2nd husband.7,1,2,8
Isabel Loring died on 21 August 1400.7,2
     Reference: van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VI 317.7,2

Family 1

Sir William Cogan Knt., of Bampton, Devon d. 1382
Child

Family 2

Sir Robert de Harington KB, 3rd Lord Harington b. 28 Mar 1356, d. 21 May 1406
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Harington Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel Loring: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00220795&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Courtenay 11: pp. 240-241. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 40-34, p44. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I6633
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Cogan: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00191874&tree=LEO
  7. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15-10, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Haverington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00220794&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Cogan: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00191876&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Harington: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00377587&tree=LEO

James Stewart 5th High Steward of Scotland1,2,3

M, #12700, b. circa 1243, d. 16 July 1309
FatherAlexander Dundonald Stewart 4th High Steward of Scotland b. 1214, d. bt 1282 - 1283; elder son1,2,3,4
MotherJean (?) of Bute1,2
Last Edited11 Nov 2020
     James Stewart 5th High Steward of Scotland married Egidia (Jill) de Burgh, daughter of Walter de Burgh 1st Earl of Ulster, Lord of Connaught and Avelina Fitz John.5,2,6 James Stewart 5th High Steward of Scotland was born circa 1243.5,2 He married Muriel (?) of Strathearn, daughter of Malise (?) 5th Earl of Strathearn and Marjorie de Muschamp, before 1291;
Her 2nd husband; his 1st wife.7,8
James Stewart 5th High Steward of Scotland died on 16 July 1309.5,9,2
     ;
Per Genealogics:
     "James Stewart was born about 1243, the son of Alexander Stewart, 4th lord high steward of Scotland, and his wife Helen. With his wife Gille/Jill de Burgh of Ulster, daughter of Walter de Burgh, lord of Connaught, 1st earl of Ulster, and Aveline FitzJohn of Shere, James had five children of whom a son and daughter would have progeny. As a young man he is said to have joined the earls of Carrick and Athole, and other Scots lords, in an expedition to Palestine. At home he seems to have been entirely overshadowed by his father, as it was not until after the latter's death in 1283 that James took any leading part in Scottish affairs. In 1284 he was one of the great Scots barons who undertook to preserve the succession to the Crown of Alexander of Scotland, the grandchild of Alexander II. On that prince's death he was co-regent of Scotland as one of the six guardians of the Realm, and he supported the claims of the elder Robert Bruce to the throne. Opposing the attempts of Edward I, king of England to dominate Scotland, in 1295 James ratified the treaty with France, but in 1297 he was forced to submit to the English king. The English sent him to negotiate with Wallace, but he joined Wallace instead and fought for him against the English at Stirling Bridge. He supported King Robert Bruce and attended the Parliament at St.Andrews. He died on 16 July 1309."6 He was 5th High Steward of Scotland.5,2

; JAMES, 5TH GREAT STEWARD OF SCOTLAND; b c 1243, was co-Regent of Scotland as one of the six Guardians of the Realm, 1286, supported the claims of the elder Robert Bruce to the throne, opposed EDWARD I's attempts to dominate Scotland, and ratified the treaty with France 1295, was forced to submit to Edward I 1297, was sent by the English to negotiate with Wallace, but joined him instead, and fought for him against the English at Stirling Bridge 1297, supported KING ROBERT BRUCE, and attended his Parl(y) at St Andrews, and d 16 July 1309. He m Jill du Bourg (Egidia de Burgo), dau of Walter, 1st Earl of Ulster (see BURKE's Dormant & Extinct Peerages), and had issue.2 James Stewart 5th High Steward of Scotland was also known as James Stewart.



Reference:
Genealogics cites:
1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. vol I page 212.
2. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1967. Page 1762
3. The Story of the Stewarts, Edinburgh, 1901 , Stewart, J. K. 64 biography.6
; Per Med Lands:
     "MURIEL ([1244]-[16 May/12 Nov] 1291). Her parentage and first marriage are confirmed by the document dated 16 May 1291 which is quoted below. Her second marriage is indicated by an assize roll dated "7 Edw I" [Nov 1278/Nov 1279] which records a claim relating to the barony of Muschamp brought by "Jacobus filius Alexandri et Muriella uxor eius" and "Maria uxor Nicholai de Grame", both represented by "Stephanum de Muschaump vel Thomam de Hagarston", against "Thomam de Rok"[782]. Pleas taken at Newcastle 20 Jan 1279 (N.S.) include a jury finding that "the heirs of Muschampe hold their barony by service of four knights, and making suit to the county of Newcastle"[783]. Andrew MacEwen indicates that "Muriella…Maria" were the two daughters of Malise Earl of Strathearn by his first wife Marjory de Muschamp, and identifies "Jacobus filius Alexandri", the husband of Muriel, as James Stewart the future High Steward of Scotland, although he cites no primary source which confirms that the latter identification is correct[784]. The absence of any reference to Muriel’s husband "James" in the document dated 16 May 1291 quoted below, suggests that the marriage must have terminated before that date by divorce or annulment. A charter dated 16 May 1291 records the homage sworn to King Edward by "Muriellæ quæ fuit uxor Willelmi quondam comitis de Mar, filiæ et heredis Margeriæ filiæ Roberti de Muschaumps defunctæ" for the lands of "Margeria mater sua"[785]. The Inquisitions on the death of "Muriella quondam comitissa de Mar" are dated 23 Nov 1291 and name "Maria uxor Nicholai de Graham [soror] dictæ Muriellæ…propinquor heres" aged 40[786].
     "m firstly (after 1267) as his second wife, WILLIAM Earl of Mar, son of DUNCAN Earl of Mar & his wife --- (-1281 before 25 Jul, maybe before Jan 1279).
     "m secondly (before Jan 1279, [divorced before 1291]) JAMES, son of ALEXANDER & his wife ---. [same person as…? JAMES Stewart, later High Steward of Scotland, son of ALEXANDER Stewart High Steward of Scotland & his wife Jean [of Bute] ([1243]-16 Jul 1309).]"
Med Lands cites:
[782] Page, W. (ed.) (1891) Three Early Assize Rolls for Northumberland 13th Century (Surtees Society), pp. 301-2.
[783] Calendar of Documents Scotland (Bain), Vol. II, 148, m. 12, p. 42.
[784] MacEwen ‘Wives of Sir James the Steward’, p. 392.
[785] Stephenson (1870), Vol. I, CXXXIX, p. 229.
[786] Stephenson (1870), Vol. I, CLXXX, p. 257.7

Family 1

Muriel (?) of Strathearn b. b 20 Mar 1244, d. b 12 Nov 1291

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 75A-31, p. 75. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stewart of Appin Family Page.
  4. [S1826] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004 "The 'Turnberry Band' : A Genealogical Perspective"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Nov 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004."
  5. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15A-5, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, James Stewart, 5th Lord High Steward of Scotland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006192&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#MurielStrathearndied1291. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#James5Stewartdied1309
  9. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 45, de BURGH 3:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.

Walter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland1,2

M, #12701, b. 1292, d. 9 April 1327
FatherJames Stewart 5th High Steward of Scotland2,3 b. c 1243, d. 16 Jul 1309
MotherEgidia (Jill) de Burgh2
Last Edited20 Aug 2019
     Walter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland married Isabel Graham, daughter of Sir Nicholas de Graham laird of Dalkeith and Abercorn and Mary (?) of Strathearn, Baroness of Muschamp.4,2,5 Walter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland was born in 1292.4,2,6 He married Marjorie (Margaret) de Bruce Princess of Scotland, daughter of Robert I de Bruce King of Scots and Isabella (?) of Mar, in 1314/15.4,2,6
Walter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland died on 9 April 1327; Louda & Macalagan says d. 1326.4,2,6
     He was 6th High Steward of Scotland.4,2

; WALTER, 6TH GREAT STEWARD OF SCOTLAND; b 1292, cmded the left wing of the Scottish army at the battle of Bannockburn (with his cousin, the "Good Sir James'' of Douglas) 1314, was Regent of Scotland during KING ROBERT BRUCE'S absence in Ireland 1316, defended Berwick against an English army, made a raid with Douglas that nearly kidnapped EDWARD II from Yorkshire 1322, and d 9 April 1327. He m 1st, 1315, [12702] Majorie Bruce, Princess of Scotland (who d 1316), dau of the national hero ROBERT I, King of Scots, and by her had a son, ROBERT, his successor. The 6th Great Steward m 2nd, [12704] Isabel, dau of Sir John Graham of Abercorn (see MONTROSE, D), and by her had further issue, two yr sons ([51418] Sir John, of Railston; and Sir Andrew), and a dau ([12705] Jill; m 1st, Sir James Lindsay of Crawford (see CRAWFORD & BALCARRES, E); 2nd, Sir Hugh de Montgomerie of Eglinton (see EGLINTO(U)N & WINTON, E); and 3rd, Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith).2

Walter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland was also known as Walter Stewart.

Family 2

Marjorie (Margaret) de Bruce Princess of Scotland b. b 1297, d. 21 Mar 1316
Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 75A-32, p. 75. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, James Stewart, 5th Lord High Steward of Scotland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006192&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15A-6, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel Graham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006194&tree=LEO
  6. [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 13: Scotland: Houses of Bruce and Stuart. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Egidia (Gille) Stewart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006207&tree=LEO
  8. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page.

Marjorie (Margaret) de Bruce Princess of Scotland1,2,3

F, #12702, b. before 1297, d. 21 March 1316
FatherRobert I de Bruce King of Scots3,4 b. 11 Jul 1274, d. 7 Jun 1329
MotherIsabella (?) of Mar4 d. b 1302
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Marjorie (Margaret) de Bruce Princess of Scotland was born before 1297.5 She married Walter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland, son of James Stewart 5th High Steward of Scotland and Egidia (Jill) de Burgh, in 1314/15.6,3,4
Marjorie (Margaret) de Bruce Princess of Scotland died on 21 March 1316.7,4
     

Family

Walter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland b. 1292, d. 9 Apr 1327
Child

Citations

  1. [S1224] General Editor Peter N. Stearns, The Encyclopedia of World History, Sixth Edition (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2001), p. 198. Hereinafter cited as The Encyclopedia of World History, 6th Ed.
  2. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 548 (Chart 41). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 13: Scotland: Houses of Bruce and Stuart. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
  5. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 252-31, p. 225. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  6. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15A-6, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  7. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 41-6, p. 50.

Robert II Stewart King of the Scots1

M, #12703, b. 2 March 1316, d. 19 April 1390
FatherWalter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland2,3 b. 1292, d. 9 Apr 1327
MotherMarjorie (Margaret) de Bruce Princess of Scotland2,3 b. b 1297, d. 21 Mar 1316
Last Edited11 Nov 2020
     Robert II Stewart King of the Scots was born on 2 March 1316 at Paisley, Scotland.4,5,6,3 He married Elizabeth Mure of Rowallan, daughter of Sir Adam Mure of Rowallan and Joan Cunningham, in 1336; second ceremony held in 1348.4,6,3 Robert II Stewart King of the Scots married Euphemia Ross Countess of Moray and of Strathearn, daughter of Hugh de Ross 4th Earl of Ross and Margaret Graham, circa May 1355;
Her 2nd husband. Per Ravilious [2017:49]: "under terms of a dispensation granted by Pope Innocent VI at Avignon on 2 May of that year.
     "nobilis mulierls Margarete de Gram S. Andree diocesls ...". A. Theiner, Vetera Monumenta Hibernorum et Scotorum Historiam lf/ustrantia (Rome: Vatican Press, 1864), p. 249, no. CCCCXC. The English text of the mandate as provided by Bliss: 1To the bishops of Moray and Ross. Mandate to grant a dispensation to Hugh earl of Ross, and Margaret de Gram his wife, of the diocese of St. Andrews, to remain In the marriage which they have contracted, declaring their past and future offspring legitimate. A dispensation had been granted to them on its coming to the knowledge of Hugh that a woman with whom he had had connexion before marriage was related to Margaret In the fourth degree; but it has since come to light that Margaret and this woman were related In the third and fourth degrees." Bllss,ed., Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers relating to Great Britain and Ireland: Papal Letters , Vol. II (A.O. 13051342) [London: PRO, 1895, reprinted 1971], p. 302.7,6,2,3,8
Robert II Stewart King of the Scots died on 19 April 1390 at Dundonald Castle, co. Ayrshire, Scotland, at age 74.4,6
     Robert II Stewart King of the Scots was also known as Robert II King of the Scots. He was Earl of Atholl in 1341.4 He was Earl of Strathearn in 1358.4,1 He was King of Scotland between 22 February 1371 and 19 April 1390.1,4,5,9,6

Citations

  1. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15A-6, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 13: Scotland: Houses of Bruce and Stuart. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 41-7, p. 50.
  5. [S761] John Cannon and Ralph Griffiths, The Oxford Illiustrated History of the British Monarchy (Great Clarendon Street, Oxford OX2 6DP, United Kingdom: Oxford University Press, 1998), Appendix IV: The Scottish Royal Dynasties. Hereinafter cited as Cannaon & Griffits (1998) - British Monarchy.
  6. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), pp. 548 (Chart 41), 552-553. Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  7. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 41C-7, p. 53.
  8. [S2289] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 9 Aug 2008: "Re: Thomas Randolph"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 9 Aug 2008. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 9 Aug 2008."
  9. [S1224] General Editor Peter N. Stearns, The Encyclopedia of World History, Sixth Edition (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2001), p. 243: The Stuart line was established on the Scottish throne by the accession of ROBERT II, grandson of Robert Bruce (1371-90). The family maintained itself for three centuries, despite a succession of futilities and minorities. The rival house of Douglas was finally extinguished (1488).. Hereinafter cited as The Encyclopedia of World History, 6th Ed.
  10. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Graham, Dukes of Montrose Family Page.
  11. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Montagu 6.i.a: p. 507. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Marjorie Stewart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006075&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  13. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Bowes-Lyon, Earls Strathmore & Kinghorne Family Page.
  14. [S1361] Mike Ashley, Ashley (1998) - British Kings, p. 548 (Chart 41).
  15. [S4719] John P. Ravilious, "The Earls of Menteith", The Scottish Genealogist LXIV:49-52 (June 2017): p. 51. Hereinafter cited as "The Earls of Menteith."
  16. [S1373] The Official Site of the British Monarchy, online http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page1.asp, http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/scottish.pdf "The Scottish Royal Dynasties 842-1625". Hereinafter cited as British Monarchy Site.

Isabel Graham1

F, #12704
FatherSir Nicholas de Graham laird of Dalkeith and Abercorn2 d. b 14 Jun 1306
MotherMary (?) of Strathearn, Baroness of Muschamp3,1 b. b 20 Mar 1249, d. 1322
Last Edited12 Jan 2014
     Isabel Graham married Walter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland, son of James Stewart 5th High Steward of Scotland and Egidia (Jill) de Burgh.4,5,1
     ; Weis MCS 15A-6.4

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel Graham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006194&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Nicholas de Graham, of Dalkeith: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139256&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary of Strathearn: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139257&tree=LEO
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15A-6, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Egidia (Gille) Stewart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006207&tree=LEO

Egidia (Gille) Stewart1

F, #12705
FatherWalter Stewart 6th Great Steward of Scotland2,1 b. 1292, d. 9 Apr 1327
MotherIsabel Graham2,3,1
Last Edited12 Jan 2014
     Egidia (Gille) Stewart married Sir James de Lindsay Lord of Crawford and Kirkmichael, son of Sir David de Lindsay Lord of Crawford and Mary de Abernethy, on 21 April 1346; m by dispensation dated 1346; her 1st husband.4,2,5,6,1 Egidia (Gille) Stewart married Sir Hugh Eglinton of that Ilk after 1358; her 2nd husband; date of death of her 1st husband.4,2,1 Egidia (Gille) Stewart married Sir James 'the Elder' Douglas of Dalkeith, son of Sir John Douglas and Agnes de Graham, in October 1378; her 3rd husband.4,2,1
     Reference: van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: page 918
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: vol I page 213.1

Reference: Weis MCS 15A-7.7

Family 2

Sir Hugh Eglinton of that Ilk d. b 1378

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Egidia (Gille) Stewart: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006207&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel Graham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006194&tree=LEO
  4. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Morton Family Page.
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Crawford Earls of Crawford & Balcarres Family Page.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir James de Lindsay, of Crawford: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116915&tree=LEO
  7. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 15A-7, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir James de Lindsay, of Crawford: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00470158&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Lindsay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116918&tree=LEO

Idoine/Idonea de Say1,2,3

F, #12706, d. circa 1384
FatherGeoffrey (IV) de Say 2nd Lord Say, Baron of West Greenwich, Kent1,2,3 b. 30 Apr 1305, d. 26 Jun 1359
MotherLady Maud de Beauchamp1,2,3 d. 28 Jul 1369
ReferenceGAV20
Last Edited22 Dec 2012
     Idoine/Idonea de Say married Sir John de Clinton 3rd Lord Clinton of Maxstoke, son of Sir John de Clinton Knt., 2nd Lord Clinton of Maxstoke and Margery/Mary Corbet, circa 1350.4,5,1,6,2,3
Idoine/Idonea de Say died circa 1384.4
     ; Idonea; m c 1350, as his 1st w, 3rd Lord (Baron) Clinton (qv) and had issue (their gs 4th Lord (Baron) Clinton styled himself Lord Say from 1399, as did his successors till the 17th century, while their gggs 6th Lord (Baron) Clinton m his cousin Elizabeth Fiennes, ggdau of Sir William Fiennes by his w Joan; see immediately below.)5 GAV-20.

; van de Pas cites: 1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: III 314
2. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 476.4,2

Family

Sir John de Clinton 3rd Lord Clinton of Maxstoke b. c 13 Apr 1328, d. 6 Sep 1398
Children

Citations

  1. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Clinton 8: pp. 219-220. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Idoine de Say: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00101319&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Say 9.i: p. 641.
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16-7, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  5. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John de Clinton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00101318&tree=LEO
  7. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 16-8, p. 17.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Clinton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00113873&tree=LEO
  9. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Clinton (Bt) Family Page.

Geoffrey (III) de Say 1st Lord Say1

M, #12707, b. circa 1281, d. between 3 March 1321 and 1322
FatherWilliam (IV) de Say b. 20 Nov 1253, d. b 16 Sep 1295
MotherElizabeth (?)
ReferenceGAV22
Last Edited14 Nov 2020
     Geoffrey (III) de Say 1st Lord Say married Idoine de Leybourne, daughter of William de Leybourne 1st Lord Leybourne and Juliane de Sandwich.2,1 Geoffrey (III) de Say 1st Lord Say was born circa 1281; per Burke's Peerage: "b 1279 or 1281."3,1
Geoffrey (III) de Say 1st Lord Say died between 3 March 1321 and 1322 at Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England.3,2,1
     GAV-22.

; GEOFFREY de SAY, 1st LORD (Baron) SAY (E), so cr by writ of summons to Parl 26 July 1313; b 1279 or 1281; called up for mil service against Scots 1310 and 1311; m Idonia/Idoine de Leyburn, dau and through her issue ultimate heir of 1st Lord (Baron) Leyburn, and d by 3 March 1321/2.1 He was 1st LORD (Baron) SAY (E), so cr by writ of summons to Parl 26 July 1313 on 26 July 1313.3,1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1217] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1590432, Sue Cary (unknown location), downloaded updated 25 Aug 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1590432&id=I20052
  3. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-4, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  4. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Say 9: p. 641. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Katharine de Say1

F, #12708
FatherGeoffrey (III) de Say 1st Lord Say b. c 1281, d. bt 3 Mar 1321 - 1322
MotherIdoine de Leybourne1 d. a 1321/22
Last Edited14 Jan 2008
     Katharine de Say married John Saint John 3rd Lord St. John of Lageham before 10 November 1320; per Richardson: "date of license for enfeoffment". Richardson cites: References: Russell, Swallowfield and its Owners (1901): 43; Cal.Patent Rolls, 1317-1321 (1903): 520; Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 350 (sub Saint John); Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 485: 1-10 (sub Say.)2,1,3
     

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-4, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  3. [S2198] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 8 Nov 2007: "Re: Nicholas Louveyne=Margaret?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 8 Nov 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 8 Nov 2007."

Juliane de Say1

F, #12709, b. 1311
FatherGeoffrey (III) de Say 1st Lord Say1 b. c 1281, d. bt 3 Mar 1321 - 1322
MotherIdoine de Leybourne1 d. a 1321/22
ReferenceGAV22
Last Edited8 Oct 2020
     Juliane de Say married Sir Roger de Northwode 2nd Lord Northwode, son of John de Northwood and Lady Agnes de Grandson;
His 1st wife.2,1,3 Juliane de Say was born in 1311 at Berling, co. Kent, England.4
     GAV-22.

Juliane de Say was also known as Julianna de Say.4

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-4, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Roger de Northwode, 2nd Lord Northwode: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398107&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1217] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1590432, Sue Cary (unknown location), downloaded updated 25 Aug 2001.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John de Northwode, 3rd Lord Northwode: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00518141&tree=LEO

Isabel de Say1

F, #12710
FatherGeoffrey (III) de Say 1st Lord Say1 b. c 1281, d. bt 3 Mar 1321 - 1322
MotherIdoine de Leybourne1 d. a 1321/22
Last Edited28 Dec 2002
     Isabel de Say married John de Chaumpaigne.2,1
     

Family

John de Chaumpaigne

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-4, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.

Idoine de Leybourne1

F, #12711, d. after 1321/22
FatherWilliam de Leybourne 1st Lord Leybourne2,3,4 d. 1310
MotherJuliane de Sandwich5 d. c 1327
ReferenceGAV20
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Idoine de Leybourne married Geoffrey (III) de Say 1st Lord Say, son of William (IV) de Say and Elizabeth (?).6,2
Idoine de Leybourne died after 1321/22.7
     GAV-20. Idoine de Leybourne was also known as Idonea de Leyburn.2

Citations

  1. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Say 9: p. 641. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Leyburn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00518125&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2286] Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online http://oxforddnb.com/index/, https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/16624. Hereinafter cited as ODNB - Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Juliane de Sandwich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00518126&tree=LEO
  6. [S1217] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1590432, Sue Cary (unknown location), downloaded updated 25 Aug 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1590432&id=I20052
  7. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-4, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.

William de Leybourne 1st Lord Leybourne1

M, #12712, d. 1310
FatherSir Roger de Leyburn of Elham2,3,4 b. c 1215, d. c Oct 1271
MotherUnknown (?)5,3
ReferenceGAV21
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     William de Leybourne 1st Lord Leybourne married Juliane de Sandwich, daughter of Sir Henry de Sandwich and Joan de Auberville, before 16 October 1265.6,3,7
William de Leybourne 1st Lord Leybourne died in 1310 at Leybourne Cemetery, West Malling, Tonbridge and Malling Borough, co. Kent, England; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     1310
     Warden of the Cinque Ports. Appointed by Edward 1, first Admiral of the sea of the King of England.
     Gravesite Details: Memorial is in the church.
     BURIAL     Leybourne Cemetery, West Malling, Tonbridge and Malling Borough, Kent, England
     Created by: Newforest
     Added: 19 May 2019
     Find a Grave Memorial 199250183.8
     ; Memorial plaque in church reads:
"In Memory of
William
Baron de Laybourne
Warden of the cinque Ports
appointed by Edward I as the first
Englishman to bear the title of
Admiral of the Sea of the King of England
(Bruges Convention 1296-1297)
A valiant Man "Sans mes et sans Si"
Died 1310
He gave lands at Comp for Mass to be
said in this church for his parents
Sir Roger and Lady de Leybourne"
(Transcription by GA Vaut.)9,8 GAV-21.

; Per ODNB:
     “William of Leybourne first Lord Leybourne (d. 1310), soldier, was Roger of Leybourne's elder son from his first marriage. In 1266 he was left in command of Sandwich by his father, and joined the siege of Winchelsea. In 1275 he was involved in a dispute at the Jewish exchequer, claiming that a charter purporting to record an £800 loan made to his father had been fraudulently placed in the loan chest by the London chirographers. In 1278 he sold the manor and castle of Leeds to Queen Eleanor, who took over his Jewish debts, cancelled the arrears inherited from his father's many offices, and gave 500 marks to the former owner of Leeds. He may have been arranging his affairs to enable him to undertake a pilgrimage, as in 1280 he left for Santiago de Compostela. A household knight of Edward I, he took part in the conquest of Wales, where he served as constable of Cricieth Castle from 1284 until at least 1288. He also travelled to France several times on the king's service, and acted as escort to Edward I's daughter Eleanor when she crossed the channel in 1294; in the same year he was appointed custodian of Pevensey Castle. In 1295 he was described as admiral of the king's fleet, the first time the title was used, and two years later he became captain of the king's mariners. In 1299 he received his first personal summons to parliament. Leybourne took part in the war against Scotland, and was present at the siege of Caerlaverock, where he was described as a valiant man 'without but or if' (Siege of Carlaverock, 19). In 1306 he was pardoned all his debts to the crown in consideration of his services in Scotland and elsewhere. He married Juliana (d. c.1327), daughter of Henry of Sandwich and heir of her grandfather Simon, with whom he had at least two sons, Thomas and Henry, and two daughters, Idonea and Katherine. After his marriage Leybourne lived at his wife's manor of Preston, near Wingham, Kent. Some time before his elder son's death in 1307 he enfeoffed Thomas and his wife, Alice, sister of Guy de Beauchamp, earl of Warwick, with the manor of Leybourne. His younger son, Henry, fought for the earl of Lancaster at Boroughbridge, where he was taken prisoner; in 1329 he was recorded as having been outlawed. William of Leybourne died in 1310 leaving his young granddaughter Juliana Leybourne (1303/4–1367) as his heir.”.7

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 4th & 5th edition , Weis, Frederick Lewis. 17.
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. 7:634-7.3


Reference: Weis [1999:17] Line 16A-4.6 William de Leybourne 1st Lord Leybourne was also known as William de Leyburn 1st Lord Leyburn.10 He was 1st Lord Leyburn between 6 February 1298 and 1299.6,10,3

Family

Juliane de Sandwich d. c 1327
Children

Citations

  1. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Say 9: p. 641. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger de Leyburn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00486735&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Leyburn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00518125&tree=LEO
  4. [S2286] Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online http://oxforddnb.com/index/, https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/27885. Hereinafter cited as ODNB - Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00733904&tree=LEO
  6. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-4, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  7. [S2286] ODNB - Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online http://oxforddnb.com/index/, https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/16624
  8. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 20 July 2020), memorial page for William Baron de Leybourne (unknown–1310), Find a Grave Memorial no. 199250183, citing Leybourne Cemetery, West Malling, Tonbridge and Malling Borough, Kent, England; Maintained by Newforest (contributor 48158469), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/199250183. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  9. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 20 July 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  10. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Leyburn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026585&tree=LEO

Juliane de Sandwich

F, #12713, d. circa 1327
FatherSir Henry de Sandwich1 b. 1218
MotherJoan de Auberville2,1
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited14 Nov 2020
     Juliane de Sandwich married William de Leybourne 1st Lord Leybourne, son of Sir Roger de Leyburn of Elham and Unknown (?), before 16 October 1265.3,4,5
Juliane de Sandwich died circa 1327.1
     GAV-23.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 4th & 5th edition , Weis, Frederick Lewis. 17.
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. 7:637.1


Reference: Weis [1999:17] Line 16A-4.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Juliane de Sandwich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00518126&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan de Auberville: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00638425&tree=LEO
  3. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-4, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Leyburn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00518125&tree=LEO
  5. [S2286] Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online http://oxforddnb.com/index/, https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/16624. Hereinafter cited as ODNB - Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Leyburn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026585&tree=LEO

Sir Henry de Sandwich

M, #12714, b. 1218
FatherSimon de Sandwich1 b. 1190
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited14 Nov 2020
     Sir Henry de Sandwich married Joan de Auberville, daughter of Hugh de Auberville of Langdon.2 Sir Henry de Sandwich was born in 1218.3
     GAV-24.

; Weis MCS 16A-4.4

Citations

  1. [S1217] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1590432, Sue Cary (unknown location), downloaded updated 25 Aug 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1590432&id=I20032
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan de Auberville: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00638425&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1217] e-mail address, updated 25 Aug 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1590432&id=I20030
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-4, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Juliane de Sandwich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00518126&tree=LEO

John Saint John 3rd Lord St. John of Lageham

M, #12715
Last Edited14 Jan 2008
     John Saint John 3rd Lord St. John of Lageham married Katharine de Say, daughter of Geoffrey (III) de Say 1st Lord Say and Idoine de Leybourne, before 10 November 1320; per Richardson: "date of license for enfeoffment". Richardson cites: References: Russell, Swallowfield and its Owners (1901): 43; Cal.Patent Rolls, 1317-1321 (1903): 520; Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 350 (sub Saint John); Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 485: 1-10 (sub Say.)1,2,3
     John Saint John 3rd Lord St. John of Lageham was 3rd Lord St. John at Lageham, England.1

Citations

  1. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-4, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S2198] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 8 Nov 2007: "Re: Nicholas Louveyne=Margaret?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 8 Nov 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 8 Nov 2007."

Joan (?)1

F, #12716, d. May 1356
Last Edited1 Sep 2019
     Joan (?) married Thomas de Faversham;
Her 1st husband.2 Joan (?) married Sir Roger de Northwode 2nd Lord Northwode, son of John de Northwood and Lady Agnes de Grandson, in 1342;
His 4th wife; her 2nd husband.1
Joan (?) died in May 1356.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. IX 757.1

Family 1

Thomas de Faversham

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00518133&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Faversham: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00518132&tree=LEO

William (IV) de Say1

M, #12718, b. 20 November 1253, d. before 16 September 1295
FatherWilliam (III) de Say Lord of West Greenwich1,2 b. c 1212, d. b 12 Feb 1271/72
MotherSibyl Marshal1,3 d. a Oct 1250
ReferenceGAV21 EDV21
Last Edited17 Dec 2020
     William (IV) de Say married Elizabeth (?)4,1,5 William (IV) de Say married Mary (?)6 William (IV) de Say was born on 20 November 1253.4,1
William (IV) de Say died before 16 September 1295.4,1,5
     ; William; b 20 Nov 1253; summoned to serve against Welsh 1277, 1282 and 1283, also to an embryonic form of Parl 1283; m Elizabeth - and d by 16 Sept 1295.1 GAV-21 EDV-21.

Family 1

Mary (?)

Family 2

Child

Family 3

Elizabeth (?)
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Say: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139394&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibyl: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139395&tree=LEO
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-3, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  5. [S2197] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 6 Nov 2007: "A proposed descent for Alice (Freeman) Thompson from King Henry I of England"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 6 Nov 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 6 Nov 2007."
  6. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 16A-2, p. 17.
  7. [S1217] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1590432, Sue Cary (unknown location), downloaded updated 25 Aug 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1590432&id=I21124

Elizabeth (?)

F, #12719
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Elizabeth (?) married William (IV) de Say, son of William (III) de Say Lord of West Greenwich and Sibyl Marshal.1,2,3
     GAV-23.

; Weis MCS 164-3, p. 17.1

Family

William (IV) de Say b. 20 Nov 1253, d. b 16 Sep 1295
Children

Citations

  1. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-3, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S2197] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 6 Nov 2007: "A proposed descent for Alice (Freeman) Thompson from King Henry I of England"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 6 Nov 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 6 Nov 2007."

William (III) de Say Lord of West Greenwich1,2

M, #12720, b. circa 1212, d. before 12 February 1271/72
FatherGeoffrey (II) de Say Lord of West Greenwich1,2 b. c 1155, d. b 26 Aug 1230
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited17 Dec 2020
     William (III) de Say Lord of West Greenwich married Sibyl Marshal, daughter of John Marshal of Lenton;
His 1st wife.3,1,2,4 William (III) de Say Lord of West Greenwich married Mary (?);
Her 1st husband; his 2nd wife.5,2 William (III) de Say Lord of West Greenwich was born circa 1212.3
William (III) de Say Lord of West Greenwich died before 12 February 1271/72.3,1,2
     ; Per Burke's: "William; accompanied his f to France April 1230, witnessed treaty between HENRY III and ALEXANDER II (of Scotland) 1237, accompanied HENRY III to France 1242 and 1253-54 and captured seven French prisoners in a skirmish at Saintes 22 July 1242; fought for HENRY III Battle of Lewes 1264; m 1st Sibyl (d in or after Oct 1250), dau(?) of John Marshal, of Lenton; m 2nd, as her 1st husb, Mary - (m 2nd by May 1273 Robert de Ufford, ancestor of the Earls of Suffolk of the March 1336/7 cr (see SUFFOLK and BERKSHIRE, E, preliminary remarks) and d by 12 Feb 1271/2, leaving: William“.1 GAV-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. 11:470.
2. Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 4th & 5th edition , Weis, Frederick Lewis. 17.
3. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 476.2
He was Lord of West Greenwich.3

Family 1

Mary (?) b. 1244

Family 2

Sibyl Marshal d. a Oct 1250
Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Saye and Sele Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Say: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139394&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 16A-2, p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibyl: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139395&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139396&tree=LEO