Thomas de Maunby lord of Kirby Knowle, Westmoreland1,2

M, #68521, d. before 1238
Last Edited17 Nov 2007
     Thomas de Maunby lord of Kirby Knowle, Westmoreland married Avice de Lascelles.1,2
Thomas de Maunby lord of Kirby Knowle, Westmoreland died before 1238.1

Family

Avice de Lascelles d. b 1261
Child

Citations

  1. [S2092] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 30 Aug 2006: "Re: CP Addition: Elizabeth, wife of Roger de Lascelles, Lord Lascelles"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 30 Aug 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 30 Aug 2006."
  2. [S2153] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 1 May 2007: "Re: CP Addition: Elizabeth de Tiliol, wife of Anthony,     Lord Lucy (d. 1343)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 May 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 1 May 2007."

Avice de Lascelles1

F, #68522, d. before 1261
Last Edited17 Nov 2007
     Avice de Lascelles married Thomas de Maunby lord of Kirby Knowle, Westmoreland.1,2
Avice de Lascelles died before 1261.1
     ; Avice de Lascelles.
died bef 1261.[1]

heiress of her brother Roger de Lascelles; identified as
niece of Picot de Lascelles and great-granddaughter of
Picot de Lascelles[1]

cf. VCH III:20[19] [Escrick].2

Citations

  1. [S2092] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 30 Aug 2006: "Re: CP Addition: Elizabeth, wife of Roger de Lascelles, Lord Lascelles"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 30 Aug 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 30 Aug 2006."
  2. [S2153] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 1 May 2007: "Re: CP Addition: Elizabeth de Tiliol, wife of Anthony,     Lord Lucy (d. 1343)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 May 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 1 May 2007."

Ada de Dunbar1,2

F, #68523
FatherPatrick de Dunbar 4th Earl of Dunbar1,2,3 b. 1152, d. 31 Dec 1232
MotherAda (?) of Scotland1,2 b. c 1165, d. 1200
Last Edited7 Apr 2020
     Ada de Dunbar married William de Curtenai, son of Robert de Courtenay Lord of Sutton Courtenay and Maud fitz Urse; her 1st husband.1 Ada de Dunbar married Thibaud de Lascelles; her 2nd husband.4,2 Ada de Dunbar married William fitz Patrick of Greenland; her 3rd husband.5
     ; van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 629.2

Family 1

William fitz Patrick of Greenland

Family 2

Thibaud de Lascelles

Family 3

William de Curtenai d. c 18 Jan 1214

Citations

  1. [S2094] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006: "A Royal Descent (conjectured): William the Lion to MacDowall and Tweedie"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ada de Dunbar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076192&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#PatrickDunbardied1232B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibaud de Lascelles: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076193&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William FitzPatrick, of Greenland: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076194&tree=LEO

William de Curtenai1

M, #68524, d. circa 18 January 1214
FatherRobert de Courtenay Lord of Sutton Courtenay2 d. 1209
MotherMaud fitz Urse2
Last Edited9 May 2009
     William de Curtenai married Ada de Dunbar, daughter of Patrick de Dunbar 4th Earl of Dunbar and Ada (?) of Scotland; her 1st husband.1
William de Curtenai died circa 18 January 1214.2
     ; van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 629.2 William de Curtenai was also known as William de Courtenay of Bulwick.2

Citations

  1. [S2094] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006: "A Royal Descent (conjectured): William the Lion to MacDowall and Tweedie"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Courtenay, of Bulwick: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076191&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Sir William de Dunbar of Fogo, co. Berwicks1

M, #68525, d. 1253
FatherPatrick de Dunbar 4th Earl of Dunbar1,2 b. 1152, d. 31 Dec 1232
MotherAda (?) of Scotland1 b. c 1165, d. 1200
Last Edited7 Apr 2020
     Sir William de Dunbar of Fogo, co. Berwicks married Christiana Corbet, daughter of Walter Corbet of Mackerstoun, co. Roxburgh, before 1220.1
Sir William de Dunbar of Fogo, co. Berwicks died in 1253.1
     ; per Ravilious: Sir William of Dunbar
Death: 1253[5]

of Fogo, co. Berwicks.

letters dated 13 June 1213 from King John ordered certain hostages of
the King of Scots to be sent ' so that they may be with the K. at
Portsmouth on the vigil of St. John Baptist instant. ' One letter
ordered
' Robert de Veteripont to have on same day William son of Earl Patric,
a hostage of the K. of Scots ', also brought to Portsmouth.
[Bain I:100-101[8], cites Close Roll 15, John, p. 1, m. 4]

' Charter of William, 2nd son of Patrick I Earl of Dunbar, confirming
the quitclaim by Patrick II, Earl, his brother, to the Prior and monks
of Coldingham of the vill of Swinewood [in Misc.Ch. 741].
Witnesses: Walter de Lindsey, Hervey the marshal, David the marshal,
Bernard Fraser, Roger de Merley, Adam de Paulworth, Thomas de Nesbit,
Master William de Edenham, Master William de Greenlaw, Alan son of Alan,
and many others ' [Durham University Library Archives & Special
Collections: Misc. Charter 785[9]]

' William, 2nd son of Earl Patrick I' [Durham University Library
Archives & Special Collections: Misc. Charter 786[9]]

' On 23 June 1233 King Alexander II confirmed to [Laurence de Abernethy]
that land in the royal castle of Roxburgh quitclaimed by the King's
nephew William, son of the Earl (of Dunbar).' [SP VII:398[5], cites
Adv. Lib. MS. 35.4.16, p. 175]

' Lord William our brother ' ["Domino Willelmo frater nostro"], witness
to charter of his brother ' Patricius Comes de Dunbar ', confirming
grants of lands in Hersil and Laynal to Coldstream priory, witnessed
by ' Lord Patrick our son, Lord William our brother, Lord Robert our
brother ' and others [ " Domino P. filio nostro, Domino Willelmo fratre nostro, Domino Roberto fratre nostro "] , dated 1232x1248
[Coldstream chartulary, pp. 41-42, no. 57[10]]

cf. SP III:254[5]
TG IX:229[6]
Chalmers, III:367[7]

Spouse: Christiana Corbet
Death: 1241[11],[5]
Father: Walter Corbet of Mackerstoun, co. Roxburgh
Marr: bef 1220[7]

Children: Nicholas, of Mackerstoun [dsp] [5]
Patrick
Walter

Ravilious cites:
1. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland
Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
2. Sir Archibald C. Lawrie, "Early Scottish Charters Prior to A.D.
1153," Glasgow: James MacLehose and Sons, 1905.
3. D. E. Easson, ed., "Charters of the Abbey of Coupar Angus,"
Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, Ltd., for the Scottish History
Society, 1947.
4. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
5. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh:
David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
6. Andrew B. W. MacEwen, "A Clarification of the Dunbar Pedigree,"
The Genealogist, Vol. 9, No. 2, 1991, pp. 229-241, cites Joseph
Stevenson, ed., Cronica de Mailros, E Codice Unico in Bibliotheca
Cottoniana Servato (Edinburgh, 1835), and other sources.
7. George Chalmers, "Caledonia, Or, A Historical and Topographical
Account of North Britain."
8. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,"
Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I),
full title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland, Preserved
in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
9. "Durham Cathedral Muniments: Miscellaneous Charters," Durham
University Library Archives & Special Collections,

http://flambard.dur.ac.uk:6336/dynaweb/handlist/ddc/dcdmisch/@Generic__BookTextView/10523
10. Charles Rogers, ed., Chartulary of the Cistercian Priory of
Coldstream, London: printed for the Grampian Club, 1879.
11. Joseph Stevenson, ed., "Chronica de Mailros," Edinburgh:
published for The Bannatyne Club, 1835.
12. Thomas Thomson, ed., "Instrumenta Publica sive processus super
fidelitatibus et homagiis Scotorum Domino Regi Angiae factis A.D.
MCCXCI - MCCXCVI," Edinburgh: published for The Bannatyne Club, 1834.
13. William Anderson, "The Scottish Nation; Or The Surnames, Families,
Literature, Honours. & Biographical History Of The People of
Scotland," Edinburgh: A. Fullarton & Company, 1864 (Vol. II),
courtesy Ancestry.com.
14. Peter H. M'Kerlie, F.S.A. (Scot.), "History of the Lands and Their
Owners in Galloway, with Historical Sketches of the District,"
Paisley: Alexander Gardner, (London: Simpkin, Marshall, Hamilton,
Kent & Co., Lmd.), 1906.
15. Kerry W. Sipe, "The Tweedy Family of Virginia," Tweedie Genealogy
Archive: History: Kerry Sipe, http://www.tweedie.org/
16. "Frasers and Tweedies of Tweeddale," courtesy, Electric Scotland,
http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/minibios/f/fraser_tweedies.htm
provides extracts from Michael F. Tweedie, The History of the Tweedie,
or Tweedy, Family (1902), and other sources.
17. "Testamenta Domini Jacobi de Douglas, Domini de Dalketh Militis,
M.CCC.XC. - M.CCC.XCII.," The Bannatyne Miscellany, Edinburgh:
printed for The Bannatyne Club, 1836 (Vol. II) reprinted by the AMS
Press, New York), Full Title: The Bannatyne Miscellany; containing
Original Papers and Tracts, Chiefly Relating to the History and
Literature of Scotland.
18. J. W. Buchan and Rev. H. Paton, "A History of Peeblesshire,"
Glasgow: Jackson, Wylie and Co., 1925-27 (3 vols.), courtesy
Kerry W. Sipe.
19. "Registrum Magni Sigilli Regum Scotorum," The Register of the
Great Seal of Scotland, ed. John Maitland Thomson, LL.D.,
Edinburgh: H. M. General Register Hous[e, 1912 [A.D. 1306-1424]].
20. Thomas Thomson, ed., "Registrum Honoris de Morton," Vol. II -
Ancient Charters, Edinburgh: J. Constable, for the Bannatyne
Club, 1853, full title: ' Registrum Honoris de Morton A series
of Ancient Charters of the Earldom of Morton with other Original
Papers in Two Volumes ', completed, with preface by Cosmo Innes.
21. Michael Forbes Tweedie, "The History of the Tweedie, or Tweedy,
Family," London, W.P. Griffith & Sons, Ltd., 1902, courtesy
Google.
22. John Horne Stevenson, K.C. and Marguerite Wood, Ph.D., Scottish
Heraldic Seals: Royal, Official, Ecclesiastical, Collegiate,
Burghal, Personal, Glasgow: printed by Robert MacLehose & Coy.,
Limited at the University Press, 1940 (Vol. II).
23. Sir Robert Douglas, "The Peerage of Scotland," full title: The
Peerage of Scotland: containing an historical and genealogical
account of the nobility of that kingdom, from their origin to
the present generation, Edinburgh: G. Ramsay and Company, 1813,
2 vols.
24. Edwin Brockholst Livingston, "The Livingstons of Callendar and
their Principal Cadets: The history of an old Stirlingshire family,"
Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, 1920.pdf images provided by
Genealogy.com, http://www.genealogy.com/
re: the Livingstons of Kilsyth (cf. Chapter IX, THE LIVINGSTONS,
VISCOUNTS OF KILSYTH), pp. 210 et seq.
25. Andrew Stuart, "Genealogical History of the Stewarts," : from the
earliest period of their authentic history to the present times,
London: Printed for A. Strahan, and T. Cadell Jun. and W. Davies,
in the Strand, 1798.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com
includes texts of dispensations relevant to the Stewart family.1

Family

Christiana Corbet d. 1241

Citations

  1. [S2094] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006: "A Royal Descent (conjectured): William the Lion to MacDowall and Tweedie"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006."
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#PatrickDunbardied1232B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Christiana Corbet1

F, #68526, d. 1241
FatherWalter Corbet of Mackerstoun, co. Roxburgh1
Last Edited3 Sep 2007
     Christiana Corbet married Sir William de Dunbar of Fogo, co. Berwicks, son of Patrick de Dunbar 4th Earl of Dunbar and Ada (?) of Scotland, before 1220.1
Christiana Corbet died in 1241.1
     ; per Ravilious: Sir William of Dunbar
Death: 1253[5]

of Fogo, co. Berwicks.

letters dated 13 June 1213 from King John ordered certain hostages of
the King of Scots to be sent ' so that they may be with the K. at
Portsmouth on the vigil of St. John Baptist instant. ' One letter
ordered
' Robert de Veteripont to have on same day William son of Earl Patric,
a hostage of the K. of Scots ', also brought to Portsmouth.
[Bain I:100-101[8], cites Close Roll 15, John, p. 1, m. 4]

' Charter of William, 2nd son of Patrick I Earl of Dunbar, confirming
the quitclaim by Patrick II, Earl, his brother, to the Prior and monks
of Coldingham of the vill of Swinewood [in Misc.Ch. 741].
Witnesses: Walter de Lindsey, Hervey the marshal, David the marshal,
Bernard Fraser, Roger de Merley, Adam de Paulworth, Thomas de Nesbit,
Master William de Edenham, Master William de Greenlaw, Alan son of Alan,
and many others ' [Durham University Library Archives & Special
Collections: Misc. Charter 785[9]]

' William, 2nd son of Earl Patrick I' [Durham University Library
Archives & Special Collections: Misc. Charter 786[9]]

' On 23 June 1233 King Alexander II confirmed to [Laurence de Abernethy]
that land in the royal castle of Roxburgh quitclaimed by the King's
nephew William, son of the Earl (of Dunbar).' [SP VII:398[5], cites
Adv. Lib. MS. 35.4.16, p. 175]

' Lord William our brother ' ["Domino Willelmo frater nostro"], witness
to charter of his brother ' Patricius Comes de Dunbar ', confirming
grants of lands in Hersil and Laynal to Coldstream priory, witnessed
by ' Lord Patrick our son, Lord William our brother, Lord Robert our
brother ' and others [ " Domino P. filio nostro, Domino Willelmo fratre nostro, Domino Roberto fratre nostro "] , dated 1232x1248
[Coldstream chartulary, pp. 41-42, no. 57[10]]

cf. SP III:254[5]
TG IX:229[6]
Chalmers, III:367[7]

Spouse: Christiana Corbet
Death: 1241[11],[5]
Father: Walter Corbet of Mackerstoun, co. Roxburgh
Marr: bef 1220[7]

Children: Nicholas, of Mackerstoun [dsp] [5]
Patrick
Walter

Ravilious cites:
1. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland
Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
2. Sir Archibald C. Lawrie, "Early Scottish Charters Prior to A.D.
1153," Glasgow: James MacLehose and Sons, 1905.
3. D. E. Easson, ed., "Charters of the Abbey of Coupar Angus,"
Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, Ltd., for the Scottish History
Society, 1947.
4. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
5. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh:
David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
6. Andrew B. W. MacEwen, "A Clarification of the Dunbar Pedigree,"
The Genealogist, Vol. 9, No. 2, 1991, pp. 229-241, cites Joseph
Stevenson, ed., Cronica de Mailros, E Codice Unico in Bibliotheca
Cottoniana Servato (Edinburgh, 1835), and other sources.
7. George Chalmers, "Caledonia, Or, A Historical and Topographical
Account of North Britain."
8. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,"
Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I),
full title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland, Preserved
in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
9. "Durham Cathedral Muniments: Miscellaneous Charters," Durham
University Library Archives & Special Collections,

http://flambard.dur.ac.uk:6336/dynaweb/handlist/ddc/dcdmisch/@Generic__BookTextView/10523
10. Charles Rogers, ed., Chartulary of the Cistercian Priory of
Coldstream, London: printed for the Grampian Club, 1879.
11. Joseph Stevenson, ed., "Chronica de Mailros," Edinburgh:
published for The Bannatyne Club, 1835.
12. Thomas Thomson, ed., "Instrumenta Publica sive processus super
fidelitatibus et homagiis Scotorum Domino Regi Angiae factis A.D.
MCCXCI - MCCXCVI," Edinburgh: published for The Bannatyne Club, 1834.
13. William Anderson, "The Scottish Nation; Or The Surnames, Families,
Literature, Honours. & Biographical History Of The People of
Scotland," Edinburgh: A. Fullarton & Company, 1864 (Vol. II),
courtesy Ancestry.com.
14. Peter H. M'Kerlie, F.S.A. (Scot.), "History of the Lands and Their
Owners in Galloway, with Historical Sketches of the District,"
Paisley: Alexander Gardner, (London: Simpkin, Marshall, Hamilton,
Kent & Co., Lmd.), 1906.
15. Kerry W. Sipe, "The Tweedy Family of Virginia," Tweedie Genealogy
Archive: History: Kerry Sipe, http://www.tweedie.org/
16. "Frasers and Tweedies of Tweeddale," courtesy, Electric Scotland,
http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/minibios/f/fraser_tweedies.htm
provides extracts from Michael F. Tweedie, The History of the Tweedie,
or Tweedy, Family (1902), and other sources.
17. "Testamenta Domini Jacobi de Douglas, Domini de Dalketh Militis,
M.CCC.XC. - M.CCC.XCII.," The Bannatyne Miscellany, Edinburgh:
printed for The Bannatyne Club, 1836 (Vol. II) reprinted by the AMS
Press, New York), Full Title: The Bannatyne Miscellany; containing
Original Papers and Tracts, Chiefly Relating to the History and
Literature of Scotland.
18. J. W. Buchan and Rev. H. Paton, "A History of Peeblesshire,"
Glasgow: Jackson, Wylie and Co., 1925-27 (3 vols.), courtesy
Kerry W. Sipe.
19. "Registrum Magni Sigilli Regum Scotorum," The Register of the
Great Seal of Scotland, ed. John Maitland Thomson, LL.D.,
Edinburgh: H. M. General Register Hous[e, 1912 [A.D. 1306-1424]].
20. Thomas Thomson, ed., "Registrum Honoris de Morton," Vol. II -
Ancient Charters, Edinburgh: J. Constable, for the Bannatyne
Club, 1853, full title: ' Registrum Honoris de Morton A series
of Ancient Charters of the Earldom of Morton with other Original
Papers in Two Volumes ', completed, with preface by Cosmo Innes.
21. Michael Forbes Tweedie, "The History of the Tweedie, or Tweedy,
Family," London, W.P. Griffith & Sons, Ltd., 1902, courtesy
Google.
22. John Horne Stevenson, K.C. and Marguerite Wood, Ph.D., Scottish
Heraldic Seals: Royal, Official, Ecclesiastical, Collegiate,
Burghal, Personal, Glasgow: printed by Robert MacLehose & Coy.,
Limited at the University Press, 1940 (Vol. II).
23. Sir Robert Douglas, "The Peerage of Scotland," full title: The
Peerage of Scotland: containing an historical and genealogical
account of the nobility of that kingdom, from their origin to
the present generation, Edinburgh: G. Ramsay and Company, 1813,
2 vols.
24. Edwin Brockholst Livingston, "The Livingstons of Callendar and
their Principal Cadets: The history of an old Stirlingshire family,"
Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, 1920.pdf images provided by
Genealogy.com, http://www.genealogy.com/
re: the Livingstons of Kilsyth (cf. Chapter IX, THE LIVINGSTONS,
VISCOUNTS OF KILSYTH), pp. 210 et seq.
25. Andrew Stuart, "Genealogical History of the Stewarts," : from the
earliest period of their authentic history to the present times,
London: Printed for A. Strahan, and T. Cadell Jun. and W. Davies,
in the Strand, 1798.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com
includes texts of dispensations relevant to the Stewart family.1

Citations

  1. [S2094] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006: "A Royal Descent (conjectured): William the Lion to MacDowall and Tweedie"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006."

Walter Corbet of Mackerstoun, co. Roxburgh1

M, #68527
Last Edited3 Sep 2007

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S2094] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006: "A Royal Descent (conjectured): William the Lion to MacDowall and Tweedie"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Sept 2006."

Elizabeth Graham1

F, #68528, b. circa 1360
FatherSir David Graham of Kincardine1,2 b. c 1310, d. 1376
MotherElen de Abernethy3 d. a 1386
Last Edited26 Aug 2019
     Elizabeth Graham was born circa 1360.4 She married William Menteith laird of Kerse, son of John Menteith laird of Kerse (de jure Uxoris) and Mary Stirling, before 22 October 1382.1,4,5
     Elizabeth Graham was also known as Ealasaid inghen Dabidh a Graem.4

Family

William Menteith laird of Kerse b. b 22 Oct 1361, d. a 16 May 1411

Citations

  1. [S2095] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006: "Menteith of Kerse: a reexamination"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir David Graham, of Kincardine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00127769&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elen de Abernethy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00127770&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ealasaid inghen Dabidh a Graem: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00587377&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Menteth, Uilliam mac Iain a Meneteadhaich, Laird of Kerse: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00587376&tree=LEO

Euphemia Graham1

F, #68529
FatherMalise Graham 1st Earl of Menteith, Earl of Strathearn1 d. 1490
Last Edited3 Sep 2007

Citations

  1. [S2095] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006: "Menteith of Kerse: a reexamination"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006."

William Menteith laird of Kerse1

M, #68530, b. before 22 October 1361, d. after 16 May 1411
FatherJohn Menteith laird of Kerse (de jure Uxoris)1,2,3 d. b 22 Oct 1382
MotherMary Stirling1,2 d. a 22 Oct 1382
Last Edited26 Aug 2019
     William Menteith laird of Kerse was born before 22 October 1361.1,2 He married Elizabeth Graham, daughter of Sir David Graham of Kincardine and Elen de Abernethy, before 22 October 1382.1,4,2
William Menteith laird of Kerse died after 16 May 1411.1,2
     William Menteith laird of Kerse was also known as Uilliam mac Iain a Meneteadhaich Laird of Kerse.2

Family

Elizabeth Graham b. c 1360

Citations

  1. [S2095] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006: "Menteith of Kerse: a reexamination"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Menteth, Uilliam mac Iain a Meneteadhaich, Laird of Kerse: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00587376&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Iain|John Menteth, jure uxoris of Kerse, Iain mac Baltair a Meneteadhaich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00587374&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ealasaid inghen Dabidh a Graem: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00587377&tree=LEO

Mary (?) Countess of Menteith1

F, #68531, b. circa 1315, d. before 29 April 1360
Last Edited3 Sep 2019
     Mary (?) Countess of Menteith was born circa 1315.1 She married Sir John de Graham Earl of Menteith, son of Sir Patrick Graham and Annabella (?) of Strathearn, before 1 May 1334.2
Mary (?) Countess of Menteith died before 29 April 1360.1
     ;
Per Genealogics: "As a young girl Mary, Countess of Menteith lived with her widowed mother at Wotton, near Northampton. After the death of her uncle, probably in 1332, she was recognised as Countess of Menteith. Before 1334 she married Sir John Graham, who in her place was recognised as Earl of Menteith. They became the parents of one daughter, but in 1347 her husband was executed by the King of England. She survived him to die some time before 29 April 1360."1

; Mary de Menteith
Occ: Countess of Menteith

Countess of Menteith
she resigned the Earldom of Menteith to King Robert, 'perhaps in 1323' (Barrow, p. 388)[6]

dispensation dated 1 May 1334 (related in 4th degree to his wife Mary de Menteith) [CPL 1394-1419, p. 251[10]; cited in SP II:411[11]]

Mandate of Pope John XXII, dated at Avignon, 1 May 1334:
' To the bishop of Dunblane. Mandate to absolve John de Gram,
knight, and Mary de Me[N]tet, from the sentence of excommunication
which they have incurred by intermarrying, knowing that they were
related in the fourth degree, and to enjoin on them a penance, and
afterwards to grant them a dispensation to intermarry anew,
declaring their past and future offspring legitimate. ' [CPL II:411,
cites Theiner, 262[11]]

NOTE: she was the daughter, not sister, of Alan, Earl of Menteith
(d. ca. 1315) as determined by Andrew B. W. MacEwen[9]

Spouse: Sir John de Graham, Earl of Menteith [de jure uxoris]
Death: aft 22 Feb 1346, executed (by the English)[12]
Father: [CONJECTURED] Sir David de Graham (-<1298)


Children: Margaret (-~1380)
Alan

Ravilious cites:
1. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
[microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage
England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
2. Ebenezer Henderson, LL.D, "The Annals of Dunfermline and Vicinity,
from the Earliest Authentic Period to the Present Time, A.D.
1069 - 1878," Glasgow: John Tweed, 1879, text available courtesy
of Electric Scotland,
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/dunfermline/
3. William Fraser, ed., "The Lennox," Edinburgh, 1874, text of
vol. II:13-15 courtesy EARLY SCOTTISH CHARTERS,
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~kincaid/charters.htm
4. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh:
David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
5. John Ravilious, Tim Powys-Lybbe & others, "Elen ferch Llywelyn
and the Earls of Mar," Nov 21, 2001, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com,
cf. early discussion by Suzanne Doig, Richard Borthwick & others
(SGM, 1997-98).
6. G. W. S. Barrow, "Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of
Scotland," Edinburgh University Press, 1976 (2nd ed.)
7. William Fraser, "The Red Book of Menteith," Edinburgh: 1880,
.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com
www.genealogy.com, history and evidences concerning the Earls
and Earldom of Mentieth.
8. "Calendar of the Patent Rolls," preserved in the Public Record
Office, Edward II. A.D. 1307-1313, London: for the Public Record
Office, 1894, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
9. Andrew B. W. MacEwen, telephone conference re: (1) Mary de
Menteith, daughter (not sister) of Alan 'II' de Menteith, (2)
various corrections to pedigree of the Stewards of Scotland
(prior to King Robert II), and other matters, 5 November 2004,
notes, library of John P. Ravilious.
10. Francis McGurk, ed., "Calendar of Papal Letters to Scotland of
Benedict XIII of Avignon, 1394-1419," Edinburgh: T. and A.
Constable, Ltd., 1976, Pub. of the Scottish History Society.
11. W. H. Bliss, ed., "Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers
Relating to Great Britain and Ireland," Papal Letters, Vol. II
(A.D. 1305 - 1342), London: for the Public Record Office, 1895,
(reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
12. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,"
Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I),
full title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland, Preserved
in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
13. W. H. Bliss, B.C.L. and C. Johnson, M.A., "Calendar of Entries in
the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and Ireland," Papal
Letters, Vol. III (A.D. 1342-1362), London: for the Public Record
Office, 1897, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
14. Andrew Stuart, "Genealogical History of the Stewarts," : from the
earliest period of their authentic history to the present times,
London: Printed for A. Strahan, and T. Cadell Jun. and W. Davies,
in the Strand, 1798.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com
www.genealogy.com, includes texts of dispensations relevant to the
Stewart family.
15. Stephen I Boardman, "The Early Stewart Kings: Robert II and Robert
III, 1371-1406," East Linton: Tuckwell Press, 1996, (The Stewart
Dynasty in Scotland Series, Vol. I).
16. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215,"
Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David
Faris).3

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: vol VIII 666.1

Family

Sir John de Graham Earl of Menteith b. c 1280, d. 28 Feb 1347
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary, Countess of Menteith: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177657&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John de Graham, Earl of Menteith: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177656&tree=LEO
  3. [S2083] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 21 June 2006: "SP Correction: Alan, earl of Menteith (d.ca. 1308) and the Earls of Fife"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 21 June 2006."
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046288&tree=LEO

Maurice 'the Younger' (?) Mormaer of Menteith1

M, #68532, b. circa 1180, d. 1230
FatherGilchrist (?) Mormaer of Menteith1 b. c 1140, d. b 1198
ReferenceGAV22
Last Edited26 Aug 2019
     Maurice 'the Younger' (?) Mormaer of Menteith was born circa 1180.1
Maurice 'the Younger' (?) Mormaer of Menteith died in 1230.2
Maurice 'the Younger' (?) Mormaer of Menteith died before 1234.1
     GAV-22.

;
Per Genealogics: "Muireadach/Murdoch/Maurice 'the Younger', 3.mormaer of Moneteadhaich, on 6 December 1214 was one of the seven Earls to take measures for the coronation of Alexander II, as well as attending the funeral of Alexander II's father, William the Lion, four days later at Arbroath. On 5 September 1224 he witnessed a charter of Alexander II to the abbey of Paisley and, in March 1225, to a confirmation of the same king to the abbey of Cambuskenneth."1 Maurice 'the Younger' (?) Mormaer of Menteith was also known as Maelmure 'Og' (?) Earl of Menteith.2

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. VIII 660.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maurice 'the Younger', Mormaer of Menteith: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177669&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2095] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006: "Menteith of Kerse: a reexamination"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Iseabail Inghen Mhuireadhaich, Heiress of Menteith: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00546299&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary of Menteith: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006196&tree=LEO

John Menteith laird of Kerse (de jure Uxoris)1

M, #68534, d. before 22 October 1382
FatherWalter de Menteith Laird of Ruskie1,2
Last Edited26 Aug 2019
     John Menteith laird of Kerse (de jure Uxoris) married Mary Stirling, daughter of Sir John Stirling of Kerse, before 25 January 1356.1,2
John Menteith laird of Kerse (de jure Uxoris) died before 22 October 1382.1,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Red Book of Menteith, 2 volumes, Edinburgh, 1880 , Fraser, William. 1:460
     2. Posting to Gen-Medieval Newsgroup. 4 Sep 2006.2 John Menteith laird of Kerse (de jure Uxoris) was also known as Iain mac Baltair a Meneteadhaich.2 John Menteith laird of Kerse (de jure Uxoris) was also known as Iaian jure uxoris of Kerse.2

; per Ravilious: John Menteith
Death: bef 22 Oct 1382[12],[21]

laird of Kerse (de jure uxoris)

Sheriff of Clackmannan:
' dominum Willelmum comitem de Sotheyrland, et dominam Johannam
comitissam, sponsam suam, comitissam, videlicet, de
Stratheryn ', granted certain lands to William Murray of
Tullibody - grant of ward by John de Menteith, her kinsman,
as sheriff of Clackmannan, 31 May 1352 [Red Book of Menteith
II:234, no. 25[12] ]

re: his wife:

' David II, by charter dated January 25, in the twenty-eighth
year of his reign (1357), restored Marjory and John to her
offices and estates, to be held by them and the heirs of their
marriage, whom failing, the lawful heirs of Marjory, in the
same way as John de Strevylyn, her father, held the same.
' King Robert II confirmed a resignation made at Scone, in the
Parliament held there on October 22, 1382, by Marjory Stirling,
daughter and heiress of the late John de Stirling, to William
Monteith, her son and heir and Elizabeth, his spouse, of the
said offices and estates and also the tenantries of Ochiltree
and Pardovane, in the barony of West Kerse, reserving the
life rent of Marjory.' [Sterling, p. 29[21] ]

charter of confirmation by King David II:
‘12.- To John Monteith and Marjorie de Striveling, daughter to John
Stirling, vic. de Clackmannan et dominum de Cars et de Striveling
et Aluethe, of the said lands, by resignation of his said spouse in
the King’s hands, in favour of her spouse. ‘ [Robertson's Index,
p. 30, no. 12[22]]

Spouse: Mary Stirling
Death: aft 22 Oct 1382[21]
Father: Sir John Stirling of Kerse (-<1356)
Marr: bef 25 Jan 1356[12],[10]

Children: Sir William (<1361->1411)
NN (-<1382), m. Sir John Livingston of Callendar

Ravilious cites:
1. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh:
David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
2. William Fraser, ed., "Memoirs of the Maxwells of Pollok,"
Edinburgh, 1863.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com
www.genealogy.com.
3. "Banff charters, A.D. 1232-1703," London: Oxford University
Press, H. Milford, 1915, courtesy Genealogy.com.
4. Ebenezer Henderson, LL.D, "The Annals of Dunfermline and
Vicinity, from the Earliest Authentic Period to the Present
Time, A.D. 1069 - 1878," Glasgow: John Tweed, 1879, text
available courtesy of Electric Scotland,
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/dunfermline/
5. James Dennistoun, ed., "Cartularium Comitatus de Levenax,"
ab initio seculo decimi tertii usque at annum M.CCC.XCVIII.,
Edinburgh, 1833.
6. Sir Norman Lamont of Knockdow, Bart., F.S.A. (Scot.), "An
Inventory of Lamont Papers, 1231-1897," Presented to the
Scottish Record Society, Edinburgh: J. Skinner & Company,
Ltd., 1914.
7. G. W. S. Barrow, "Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm
of Scotland," Edinburgh University Press, 1976 (2nd ed.)
8. Leo van de Pas, "Stewart Saga - One," Dec 12, 1998,
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
9. Samuel Cowan, "Three Celtic Earldoms : Atholl, Strathearn,
Menteith," Edinburgh: N. Macleod, 1909.pdf image files
provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com.
10. G. Harvey Johnston, "The Heraldry of the Stewarts,"
Edinburgh: W. & A.K. Johnston, 1906.pdf image files
provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com, p. 64,
Menteith.
11. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland
Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
12. William Fraser, "The Red Book of Menteith," Edinburgh: 1880,
.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com,
history and evidences concerning the Earls and Earldom of Mentieth.
13. "Charters of the Royal Burgh of Ayr," Edinburgh: printed
for The Ayr and Wigton Archaeological Association, 1883.
14. Joseph Stevenson, "Documents illustrative of the history of
Scotland from the death of King Alexander the Third to the
Accession of Robert Bruce," Edinburgh: H. M. General Register
House, 1870 (Vol. I), 1870 (Vol. II).
15. George Crawfurd, "The History of the Shire of Renfrew,"
Paisley: Printed and sold by Alex. Weir, 1782, (originally,
Edinburgh : Printed by James Watson, 1710), [also as cited by Burke; and Paisley Herald article, F of Barrochan],
' containing a genealogical history of the royal house of
Stewart..'.
16. "Clan Stirling,"
http://www.clanstirling.org/uploads/ragmanrolls.pdf
provides .pdf file of the names of those who swore
allegiance to Edward I of England at Berwick, 1296
(the 'Ragman Rolls').
17. Alastair Campbell of Airds, "A History of Clan Campbell,"
Edinburgh: Polygon [an imprint of Edinburgh University Press Ltd.], 2000, Vol. I: From Origins to Flodden.
18. "Calendar of the Close Rolls," Edw I, vol. IV (1296-1302),
London: Printed for His Majesty's Stationery Office by Mackie
& Co., LD., 1906.
19. John Horne Stevenson, K.C. and Marguerite Wood, Ph.D.,
Scottish Heraldic Seals: Royal, Official, Ecclesiastical,
Collegiate, Burghal, Personal, Glasgow: printed by Robert
MacLehose & Coy., Limited at the University Press, 1940
(Vol. II).
20. John Frederick Vaughan Campbell Cawdor, "The Book of the
Thanes of Cawdor: a series of papers selected from the Charter
Room at Cawdor, 1236-1742," Edinburgh: T. Constable, Printer
to Her Majesty, for The Spalding Club, 1859, courtesy
Googlebooks.
21. Albert M. Sterling, "The Sterling Genealogy," New York:
Grafton Press, 1909.pdf image files provided by
Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com.
22. William Robertson, Esq., " An index, drawn up about the
year 1629, of many records of charters, granted by the
different sovereigns of Scotland between the years 1309 and
1413...," Edinburgh: Printed by Murray & Cochrane, 1798,
full title: An index, drawn up about the year 1629, of many
records of charters, granted by the different sovereigns of
Scotland between the years 1309 and 1413, most of which
records have been long missing., With an introduction,
giving a state, founded on authentic documents still preserved,
of the ancient records of Scotland, which were in that kingdom
in the year 1292., To which are subjoined, indexes of the
persons and places mentioned in those charters, alphabetically
arranged.
23. Major William Bruce Armstrong, "The Bruces of Airth and Their
Cadets," Edinburgh: privately printed, 1892.
24. Robert Pitcairn, Esq., "Criminal Trials in Scotland, From A.D.
M.CCCC.LXXXVIII to A.D. M.DC.XXIV," Vol. I, Part 1, Edinburgh:
William Tait (and London: Longman, Rees, Orme, Brown, Green,
and Longman), 1833.
25. Edwin Brockholst Livingston, "The Livingstons of Callendar and
their Principal Cadets: The history of an old Stirlingshire
family," Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, 1920.pdf images
provided by Genealogy.com, http://www.genealogy.com/ re:
the Livingstons of Kilsyth (cf. Chapter IX, THE LIVINGSTONS,
VISCOUNTS OF KILSYTH), pp. 210 et seq.
26. Historical Manuscripts Commission, "Report on the Manuscripts
of the Earl of Mar and Kellie: Preserved at Alloa House, N.B.,"
London: Printed for Her Majesty's Stationery Office, by Ben
Johnson and Company, York, 1904.1

Family

Mary Stirling d. a 22 Oct 1382
Children

Citations

  1. [S2095] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006: "Menteith of Kerse: a reexamination"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Iain|John Menteth, jure uxoris of Kerse, Iain mac Baltair a Meneteadhaich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00587374&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Menteth, Uilliam mac Iain a Meneteadhaich, Laird of Kerse: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00587376&tree=LEO

Mary Stirling1

F, #68535, d. after 22 October 1382
FatherSir John Stirling of Kerse1
Last Edited26 Aug 2019
     Mary Stirling married John Menteith laird of Kerse (de jure Uxoris), son of Walter de Menteith Laird of Ruskie, before 25 January 1356.1,2
Mary Stirling died after 22 October 1382.1
     ; per Ravilious: John Menteith
Death: bef 22 Oct 1382[12],[21]

laird of Kerse (de jure uxoris)

Sheriff of Clackmannan:
' dominum Willelmum comitem de Sotheyrland, et dominam Johannam
comitissam, sponsam suam, comitissam, videlicet, de
Stratheryn ', granted certain lands to William Murray of
Tullibody - grant of ward by John de Menteith, her kinsman,
as sheriff of Clackmannan, 31 May 1352 [Red Book of Menteith
II:234, no. 25[12] ]

re: his wife:

' David II, by charter dated January 25, in the twenty-eighth
year of his reign (1357), restored Marjory and John to her
offices and estates, to be held by them and the heirs of their
marriage, whom failing, the lawful heirs of Marjory, in the
same way as John de Strevylyn, her father, held the same.
' King Robert II confirmed a resignation made at Scone, in the
Parliament held there on October 22, 1382, by Marjory Stirling,
daughter and heiress of the late John de Stirling, to William
Monteith, her son and heir and Elizabeth, his spouse, of the
said offices and estates and also the tenantries of Ochiltree
and Pardovane, in the barony of West Kerse, reserving the
life rent of Marjory.' [Sterling, p. 29[21] ]

charter of confirmation by King David II:
‘12.- To John Monteith and Marjorie de Striveling, daughter to John
Stirling, vic. de Clackmannan et dominum de Cars et de Striveling
et Aluethe, of the said lands, by resignation of his said spouse in
the King’s hands, in favour of her spouse. ‘ [Robertson's Index,
p. 30, no. 12[22]]

Spouse: Mary Stirling
Death: aft 22 Oct 1382[21]
Father: Sir John Stirling of Kerse (-<1356)
Marr: bef 25 Jan 1356[12],[10]

Children: Sir William (<1361->1411)
NN (-<1382), m. Sir John Livingston of Callendar

Ravilious cites:
1. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh:
David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
2. William Fraser, ed., "Memoirs of the Maxwells of Pollok,"
Edinburgh, 1863.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com
www.genealogy.com.
3. "Banff charters, A.D. 1232-1703," London: Oxford University
Press, H. Milford, 1915, courtesy Genealogy.com.
4. Ebenezer Henderson, LL.D, "The Annals of Dunfermline and
Vicinity, from the Earliest Authentic Period to the Present
Time, A.D. 1069 - 1878," Glasgow: John Tweed, 1879, text
available courtesy of Electric Scotland,
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/dunfermline/
5. James Dennistoun, ed., "Cartularium Comitatus de Levenax,"
ab initio seculo decimi tertii usque at annum M.CCC.XCVIII.,
Edinburgh, 1833.
6. Sir Norman Lamont of Knockdow, Bart., F.S.A. (Scot.), "An
Inventory of Lamont Papers, 1231-1897," Presented to the
Scottish Record Society, Edinburgh: J. Skinner & Company,
Ltd., 1914.
7. G. W. S. Barrow, "Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm
of Scotland," Edinburgh University Press, 1976 (2nd ed.)
8. Leo van de Pas, "Stewart Saga - One," Dec 12, 1998,
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
9. Samuel Cowan, "Three Celtic Earldoms : Atholl, Strathearn,
Menteith," Edinburgh: N. Macleod, 1909.pdf image files
provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com.
10. G. Harvey Johnston, "The Heraldry of the Stewarts,"
Edinburgh: W. & A.K. Johnston, 1906.pdf image files
provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com, p. 64,
Menteith.
11. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland
Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
12. William Fraser, "The Red Book of Menteith," Edinburgh: 1880,
.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com,
history and evidences concerning the Earls and Earldom of Mentieth.
13. "Charters of the Royal Burgh of Ayr," Edinburgh: printed
for The Ayr and Wigton Archaeological Association, 1883.
14. Joseph Stevenson, "Documents illustrative of the history of
Scotland from the death of King Alexander the Third to the
Accession of Robert Bruce," Edinburgh: H. M. General Register
House, 1870 (Vol. I), 1870 (Vol. II).
15. George Crawfurd, "The History of the Shire of Renfrew,"
Paisley: Printed and sold by Alex. Weir, 1782, (originally,
Edinburgh : Printed by James Watson, 1710), [also as cited by Burke; and Paisley Herald article, F of Barrochan],
' containing a genealogical history of the royal house of
Stewart..'.
16. "Clan Stirling,"
http://www.clanstirling.org/uploads/ragmanrolls.pdf
provides .pdf file of the names of those who swore
allegiance to Edward I of England at Berwick, 1296
(the 'Ragman Rolls').
17. Alastair Campbell of Airds, "A History of Clan Campbell,"
Edinburgh: Polygon [an imprint of Edinburgh University Press Ltd.], 2000, Vol. I: From Origins to Flodden.
18. "Calendar of the Close Rolls," Edw I, vol. IV (1296-1302),
London: Printed for His Majesty's Stationery Office by Mackie
& Co., LD., 1906.
19. John Horne Stevenson, K.C. and Marguerite Wood, Ph.D.,
Scottish Heraldic Seals: Royal, Official, Ecclesiastical,
Collegiate, Burghal, Personal, Glasgow: printed by Robert
MacLehose & Coy., Limited at the University Press, 1940
(Vol. II).
20. John Frederick Vaughan Campbell Cawdor, "The Book of the
Thanes of Cawdor: a series of papers selected from the Charter
Room at Cawdor, 1236-1742," Edinburgh: T. Constable, Printer
to Her Majesty, for The Spalding Club, 1859, courtesy
Googlebooks.
21. Albert M. Sterling, "The Sterling Genealogy," New York:
Grafton Press, 1909.pdf image files provided by
Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com.
22. William Robertson, Esq., " An index, drawn up about the
year 1629, of many records of charters, granted by the
different sovereigns of Scotland between the years 1309 and
1413...," Edinburgh: Printed by Murray & Cochrane, 1798,
full title: An index, drawn up about the year 1629, of many
records of charters, granted by the different sovereigns of
Scotland between the years 1309 and 1413, most of which
records have been long missing., With an introduction,
giving a state, founded on authentic documents still preserved,
of the ancient records of Scotland, which were in that kingdom
in the year 1292., To which are subjoined, indexes of the
persons and places mentioned in those charters, alphabetically
arranged.
23. Major William Bruce Armstrong, "The Bruces of Airth and Their
Cadets," Edinburgh: privately printed, 1892.
24. Robert Pitcairn, Esq., "Criminal Trials in Scotland, From A.D.
M.CCCC.LXXXVIII to A.D. M.DC.XXIV," Vol. I, Part 1, Edinburgh:
William Tait (and London: Longman, Rees, Orme, Brown, Green,
and Longman), 1833.
25. Edwin Brockholst Livingston, "The Livingstons of Callendar and
their Principal Cadets: The history of an old Stirlingshire
family," Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, 1920.pdf images
provided by Genealogy.com, http://www.genealogy.com/ re:
the Livingstons of Kilsyth (cf. Chapter IX, THE LIVINGSTONS,
VISCOUNTS OF KILSYTH), pp. 210 et seq.
26. Historical Manuscripts Commission, "Report on the Manuscripts
of the Earl of Mar and Kellie: Preserved at Alloa House, N.B.,"
London: Printed for Her Majesty's Stationery Office, by Ben
Johnson and Company, York, 1904.1

Family

John Menteith laird of Kerse (de jure Uxoris) d. b 22 Oct 1382
Children

Citations

  1. [S2095] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006: "Menteith of Kerse: a reexamination"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Iain|John Menteth, jure uxoris of Kerse, Iain mac Baltair a Meneteadhaich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00587374&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William Menteth, Uilliam mac Iain a Meneteadhaich, Laird of Kerse: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00587376&tree=LEO

Sir John Stirling of Kerse1

M, #68536
Last Edited3 Sep 2007

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S2095] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006: "Menteith of Kerse: a reexamination"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Sept 2006."

Geoffrey (?) of Perche1

M, #68537, d. 1202
FatherGeoffroy II du Perche Comte du Perche1 d. 5 Apr 1202
MotherRichenza/Matilde (?) von Sachsen, Countess of Perche1 b. 1171, d. 1209
Last Edited5 Sep 2007
     Geoffrey (?) of Perche died in 1202; dvp.1

Citations

  1. [S2098] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 7 Sept 2006: "Re: CP Correction: Helisant 'du Perche', wife of Matthew de Lovaine"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 7 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 7 Sept 2006."

Thomas du Perche1

M, #68539, b. before 20 March 1215
FatherThomas du Perche Comte du Perche1 b. c 1193, d. 20 May 1217
MotherHelissende de Rethel Dame de Perthes et de Tagnon1 d. c 1234
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited19 Aug 2019
     Thomas du Perche was born before 20 March 1215.1 He married Catherine Lesmaye on 6 March 1243.1
     ; per Ravilious: Thomas du Perche
Birth: bef 20 Mar 1215[11]
Bapt: 20 Mar 1215, Nogent-le-Rotrou[11]

cf. Genealogics I00330957[11] [cites ES III/4 689]

Thomas, the son, has been identified (or assumed) to
be illegitimate [11], probably due to the succession of William
(his great-uncle) as Count in 1217. Thomas was residing
in England by 1244, as he is found in London on 6 March
1243/4, marrying one Catherine Lesmayes. This
marriage is shown as producing a son Joseph (or Joseph
Thomas). Given the proximity of Thomas' birth to the
death of his father, while still married to Helisende of
Rethel, it appears that he was the legitimate son of
Thomas and Helisende, and the father of Henry III's
kinswoman Helisant (or Helisende).

Spouse: Catherine Lesmaye
Marr: 6 Mar 1243[11]

Children: Helisant
Joseph [Joseph Thomas ?]

Ravilious cites:
1. W. L. Warren, "Henry II," University of California Press, 1973,
[English Monarchs Series].
2. Rene de la Croix, duc de Castries, "The Lives of the Kings and
Queens of France," New York: Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., 1979.
3. Christian Settipani, "Trente-Deux Quartiers Ahnenreihe for Eleanor
of Aquitaine," 6 Sept 1998, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com,
rootsweb.com (rsponse to D.Spencer Hines, same subject, 2
Sept 1998.
4. David Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century
Colonists," Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society,
1999, (2nd edition, 1999).
5. David Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists,"
Baltimore: the Genealogical Pub. Company, 1st ed.
6. Robert William Eyton, "Court, Household, and Itinerary of King
Henry II," London: Taylor, 1878.
7. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge,"
[ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio
Klostermann, 1998 [4th series], Band I.1 [Tafel 3 - Die Arnulfinger -751-771 Konige der Franken ], First series by
Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by
Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
8. Kathleen Thompson, "Matilda, countess of the Perche
(1171-1210): the expression of authority in name, style and
seal," Tabularia e Etudes, no. 3, 2003, pp. 69-88, URL
http://www.unicaen.fr/mrsh/crahm/revue/tabularia/thompson.html
email Kathleen.Thompson@shu.ac.uk,
Honorary Research Fellow, University of Sheffield.
9. Miriam Shadis and Constance Hoffman Berman, "A Taste of
the Feast: Reconsidering Eleanor of Aquitaine's Female
Descendants," Bonnie Wheeler and John Carmi Parsons, eds.,
"Eleanor of Aquitaine: Lord and Lady," New York: Palgrave
Macmillan, 2002, Chapter 8 (pp. 177-211).
10. Adrian Channing, "Re: ROYAL BASTARDS/HENRY I," Sept 10, 1998,
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Bradenstoke Cartulary, 655
[1144 x 1191] and 235 [1191 x 1202].
11. "Genealogics," website by Leo van de Pas,
http://www.genealogics.com,
cites Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg.,
Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, [ES], and other sources.
13. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland
Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
14. William Brown, B.A., ed., "Yorkshire Inquisitions," The
Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series), various
dates:, Vol. I (Record series vol. XII) - 1892, Vol.
II(Record series vol. XXIII) - 1898, Vol. III (Record series
vol. XXXI) - 1902, Vol. IV (Record series vol. XXXVII) - 1906.
15. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
16. "Calendar of the Close Rolls," Edw I, vol. IV (1296-1302),
London: Printed for His Majesty's Stationery Office by Mackie
& Co., LD., 1906.
17. "Calendar of the Patent Rolls," preserved in the Public Record
Office, Edward I. A.D. 1301-1307, London: for the Public
Record Office, 1898, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson,
Liechtenstein).
18. MichaelAnne Guido, "Ancestry of Beatrice, wife of Robert
Hauley - Part Two," 14 January 2005, email
ClaudiusI0@aol.com, cites Calendar of Documents pertaining
to Scotland preserved in her majestys public Record office,
London edited by Joseph Bain, Vol. I 1108-1272, #2047.
April 24, 1256; also #1420. Dec. 30, 1303.
19. "Calendar of the Close Rolls," Edw III (1327-1330), London:
Printed for His Majesty's Stationery Office by Eyre and
Spottiswoode, 1896.
20. W. H. Bliss, B.C.L. and C. Johnson, M.A., "Calendar of Entries
in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and Ireland,"
Papal Letters, Vol. III (A.D. 1342-1362), London: for the
Public Record Office, 1897, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson,
Liechtenstein).
21. D. E. Easson, ed., "Charters of the Abbey of Coupar Angus,"
Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, Ltd., for the Scottish
History Society, 1947.
22. Jonathan Sumption, "The Hundred Years War," Philadelphia:
University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999, Vol. II: Trial by Fire.
23. "Charters of the Royal Burgh of Ayr," Edinburgh: printed for
The Ayr and Wigton Archaeological Association, 1883.1 GAV-24.

Citations

  1. [S2098] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 7 Sept 2006: "Re: CP Correction: Helisant 'du Perche', wife of Matthew de Lovaine"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 7 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 7 Sept 2006."

Catherine Lesmaye1

F, #68540
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited19 Aug 2019
     Catherine Lesmaye married Thomas du Perche, son of Thomas du Perche Comte du Perche and Helissende de Rethel Dame de Perthes et de Tagnon, on 6 March 1243.1
     GAV-24.

Family

Thomas du Perche b. b 20 Mar 1215
Child

Citations

  1. [S2098] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 7 Sept 2006: "Re: CP Correction: Helisant 'du Perche', wife of Matthew de Lovaine"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 7 Sept 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 7 Sept 2006."

Clarice de Everingham1

F, #68541
FatherSir Adam de Everingham KB, 1st Lord Everingham1 b. 29 Aug 1279, d. b 8 May 1341
MotherClarice la Warre1 b. c 1280
Last Edited9 Sep 2007
     Clarice de Everingham married Robert de Digby before 25 May 1327.1

Citations

  1. [S2100] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 1 Oct 2006: "Re: Robert de Digby and Sibyl de Evering"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Oct 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 1 Oct 2006."

Robert de Digby1

M, #68542
Last Edited9 Sep 2007
     Robert de Digby married Clarice de Everingham, daughter of Sir Adam de Everingham KB, 1st Lord Everingham and Clarice la Warre, before 25 May 1327.1

Citations

  1. [S2100] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 1 Oct 2006: "Re: Robert de Digby and Sibyl de Evering"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 1 Oct 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 1 Oct 2006."

Alesta (?) of Mar1

F, #68543
FatherMorgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar1 b. b 1152, d. c 30 Mar 1183
MotherAgnes (?)1
Last Edited19 Oct 2020

Citations

  1. [S2103] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2006: "Re: Sir Walter Stewart 3rd High Steward of Scotland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Oct 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2006."

Morgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar1,2

M, #68544, b. before 1152, d. circa 30 March 1183
FatherGille Chlerig (?) Earl of Mar3
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited8 Jul 2020
     Morgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar married Orabella fiiz Ness (?) of Leuchers, daughter of Nes (?) of Leuchers;
His 2nd wife; her 1st husband.4 Morgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar married Agnes (?);
His 1st wife.1,5,2 Morgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar was born before 1152; Ravilious email says b. bef 1152; Genealogics says b. ca 1140.1,2
Morgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar died circa 30 March 1183.1,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ORABILIS (-before 30 Jun 1203). "Nesius filius Willi et Orabile filia sua heres" donated "ecclesiam de Losresc" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter[393]. Her first marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which her son "Seherus de Quency comes Wintonie" donated "totam terram de Duglyn", held by "Nesus filius Willelmi avus meus" to Cambuskenneth priory[394]. Her second marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Orabilis comitissa de Mar filia Nesii filii Willi" confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam de Lochres" made by "pater meus Nesius filius Willi" to St Andrew’s priory, witnessed by "Duncano comite de Fif…"[395]. Her third marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Nesius filius Willelmi" donated "ecclesiam de Lochres" to St Andrew’s priory witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif…Adam filio Dunec et Horabili sponsa sua…"[396]. There seems little doubt that the witness was Orabilis, daughter of the donor, and her third husband, as the name is so unusual. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated property to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…Patricio filio Nesii, Dunc filio Elin…"[397]. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated "Davach ictar Hathyn" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…G. com de Mar…Patricio filio Nesii, Duncan filio Emelin…"[398]. Pope Innocent III confirmed the possessions of Inchaffray Abbey, including the donation of land "in territorio de Gasgt" by "quondam Orable matris Seer de Quinci", by bull dated 30 Jun 1203[399]. Orabilis presumably died before her first husband, given the undated charter under which her son "Seerus de Quinci" confirmed the donation of "Davac Icthar Hathyn" made by "matris mea" to St Andrew’s priory which was witnessed by "…Roberto de Quincy patre meo…"[400].
     "m firstly ([1160/70], separated) as his first wife, ROBERT de Quincy, son of SAHER de Quincy & his wife Maud de Senlis ([1140]-after 1200).
     "m secondly --- Earl of Mar, son of ---. The Complete Peerage says that "it has been asserted" that Orabilis’s second husband was Gilchrist Earl of Mar, but adds that "the chronology is difficult"[401]. The chronology in fact appears impossible: Earl Gilchrist is recorded up to 1199, whereas Orabilis is named with her [third] husband in a charter of her father which, although undated, is probably not dated much later than 1177. It seems more likely that Orabilis’s second husband was Morgund Earl of Mar (-[1177/30 Mar 1183]), which if correct means that she was his second wife. An alternative possibility is that Orabilis’s second and third husbands were in fact reversed, which is the assumption of Balfour Paul[402].
     "m thirdly ADAM of Fife, son of DUNCAN Macduff Earl of Fife & his wife ---."
Med Lands cites:
[393] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 254.
[394] Fraser, W. (ed.) (1872) Registrum Monasterii S. Marie de Cambuskenneth (Edinburgh) ("Cambuskenneth"), 70, p. 92.
[395] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 287.
[396] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 287.
[397] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 290.
[398] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 290.
[399] Inchaffray, XXI, p. 19.
[400] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 291.
[401] CP VIII 399.
[402] Balfour Paul The Scots Peerage, Vol. IV, Fife, p. 6.4


; Per Genealogics:
     “Mar, together with Buchan, formed one of the seven original earldoms of Scotland, the holders of which were styled Mormaers in the 10th and 11th centuries, and later called Earls. Before the 12th century Buchan had become separated from Mar.
     “The relationship of Morgund MacGylocher to his predecessors is unknown, but the rule of descent in Celtic tribes was in the male line from the common founder. He is called, in a document of doubtful authenticity, _filium Gillocheri quondam Comitis de Marre._ As _Morgund Comes_ he witnessed a charter of David I and his son Henry to Dunfermline before 1152, and a confirmation charter to Dunfermline by Malcolm IV between 1154 and 1158. As _Moregrundus comes de Mar_ he granted the church of Tarland to the priory of St. Andrews between 1165 and 1177. He and his wife Agnes made several grants to St. Andrews, and directed that they should be buried there, wherever in Scotland they may die. As _Agnes, comitissa de Mar,_ she made a grant to St.Andrews of land in Inverinche. Morgund's legitimacy was questioned long after his death, but appears to have been upheld. He died about 30 March 1183, and was succeeded by his son Duncan.”.2

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. I 182.
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. 8:398.2
Morgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar lived at an unknown place ; This is the same person as ”Morggán, Earl of Mar” at Wikipedia.6 Morgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar was also known as Morggán (?) Earl of Mar.6 GAV-23.

; Per Med Lands:
     "MORGUND [Morgrund] MacGylocher (-[1177/30 Mar 1183]). He succeeded as Earl of Mar, witnessing charters before 1152 and [1154/58]. "Morgrundus comes de Mar" donated "ecclesiam sancti M’Huluoch de Tharuelund" to St Andrew’s priory, for the souls of "Agnetis comitisse sponse mee", by undated charter, witnessed by "…Dunecano comite de Fif, Marleswano, Nesio filio Willi, Galfredo de Maleuill…"[410]. "Morgrundus comes de Mar" donated "ecclesiam Miggehwith" to St Andrew’s priory, confirmed by "Agnetis comitisse sponse mee", by undated charter witnessed by "Ada comitissa, Hela comitissa, Alexandro de sco Martino, Hugone Giffard, Willo Giffard…Willo filio Hugonis Giffard…"[411]. Morgund’s right to the earldom of Mar was challenged, maybe by Gilchrist Earl of Mar (see below)[412]. However, Morgund was later restored as earl of Mar, as shown by a memorandum dated 1291 which records that, when William King of Scotland returned "comitatum suum de Mar" to "Morgundo M[ac] Gyloclery predecessori Domini Donenaldi comitis de Marre", certain portions of land were omitted[413]. Selden published a document which purports to record the regrant of his earldom (as well as the earldom of Moray) by King William to "Morgund son of Gillocher, formerly Earl of Mar", confirming him as the lawful son and heir of "Gillocher, Earl of Mar…[Earl] of Moray", dated 23 May 1171[414]. Skene recites the arguments which indicate the spurious nature of this document, concluding that it is "open to serious objections" while admitting that "it is difficult to devise a motive for inventing such a document"[415]. Nevertheless the 1291 memorandum quoted above suggests some historical basis for the factual background of the spurious 1171 document. The question was revived in 1257 when Alan Durward, most likely a descendant of Gilchrist Earl of Mar, challenged the possession of Duncan Earl of Mar (see below) on the basis of his father’s claimed illegitimacy. This was presumably the occasion when the alleged 1171 document was produced. The date of Morgund’s death is confirmed by a bull of Pope Lucius III dated 30 Mar 1183 which confirms donations to St Andrew’s and including donations by "Murgundi quondam comitis de Mar"[416].
     "m [firstly] AGNES, daughter of ---. "Morgrundus comes de Mar" donated "ecclesiam sancti M’Huluoch de Tharuelund" to St Andrew’s priory, for the souls of "Agnetis comitisse sponse mee", by undated charter, witnessed by "…Dunecano comite de Fif, Marleswano, Nesio filio Willi, Galfredo de Maleuill…"[417]. "Morgrundus comes de Mar" donated "ecclesiam Miggehwith" to St Andrew’s priory, confirmed by "Agnetis comitisse sponse mee", by undated charter witnessed by "Ada comitissa, Hela comitissa, Alexandro de sco Martino, Hugone Giffard, Willo Giffard…Willo filio Hugonis Giffard…"[418]. "Agnes comitissa de Mar" donated "dimidiam carucatam terre in ville de Inuerinche" to St Andrew’s priory, for the souls of "mee et Morgrundi comitis sponsi mei", by undated charter witnessed by "Ada comitissa, Hela comitissa, Alexandro de sco Martino, Hugone Giffard…"[419].
     "m secondly as her second husband, ORABILIS, separated wife of ROBERT de Quincy, daughter of NES of Mar and his wife --- (-before 30 Jun 1203). Her marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Orabilis comitissa de Mar filia Nesii filii Willi" [confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam de Lochres" made by "pater meus Nesius filius Willi" to St Andrew’s priory, witnessed by "Duncano comite de Fif…"[420]. The Complete Peerage says that "it has been asserted" that Orabilis’s second husband was Gilchrist Earl of Mar, but adds that "the chronology is difficult"[421]. The chronology in fact appears impossible: Earl Gilchrist is recorded after 1204, whereas Orabilis is named with her [third] husband in a charter of her father which, although undated, is probably not dated much later than 1177. It seems more likely that Orabilis’s second husband was Earl Morgund, who died soon after her marriage, after which she married her third husband. An alternative possibility is that Orabilis’s second and third husbands were in fact reversed, which is the assumption of Balfour Paul[422]. Orabilis married thirdly Adam of Fife. Her third marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Nesius filius Willelmi" donated "ecclesiam de Lochres" to St Andrew’s priory witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif…Adam filio Dunec et Horabili sponsa sua…"[423]. There seems little doubt that the witness was Orabilis, daughter of the donor, and her third husband, as the name is so unusual. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated property to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…Patricio filio Nesii, Dunc filio Elin…"[424]. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated "Davach ictar Hathyn" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…G. com de Mar…Patricio filio Nesii, Duncan filio Emelin…"[425]. Pope Innocent III confirmed the possessions of Inchaffray Abbey, including the donation of land "in territorio de Gasgt" by "quondam Orable matris Seer de Quinci", by bull dated 30 Jun 1203[426]. Orabilis presumably died before her first husband, given the undated charter under which her son "Seerus de Quinci" confirmed the donation of "Davac Icthar Hathyn" made by "matris mea" to St Andrew’s priory which was witnessed by "…Roberto de Quincy patre meo…"[427].]"
Med Lands cites:
[410] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 246.
[411] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 247.
[412] Skene (1890), Vol. III, p. 68.
[413] Spalding Club (1847) Illustrations of the Topography and Antiquities of the Shires of Aberdeen and Banff (Aberdeen) ("Aberdeen Antiquities"), Vol. II, p. 151.
[414] Selden, J. (1672) Titles of Honor (London, republished Lawbook Exchange Ltd, 2006), p. 700 (available in limited preview in Google Book).
[415] Skene (1890), Vol. III, Appendix III, pp. 442-3.
[416] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 59.
[417] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 246.
[418] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 247.
[419] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 249.
[420] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 287.
[421] CP VIII 399.
[422] Balfour Paul The Scots Peerage, Vol. IV, Fife, p. 6.
[423] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 287.
[424] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 290.
[425] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 290.
[426] Inchaffray, XXI, p. 19.
[427] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 291.5
He was Mormaer/Earl of Mar
See attached map of location of Mar within Scotland (from Wikipedia: By Benson85 at the English language Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=3003289) between 1147 and 1183.6,7

Family 1

Orabella fiiz Ness (?) of Leuchers b. c 1135, d. b 30 Jun 1203

Family 2

Agnes (?)
Children

Citations

  1. [S2103] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2006: "Re: Sir Walter Stewart 3rd High Steward of Scotland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Oct 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2006."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Morgund MacGylocher: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108342&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gille_Chlerig,_Earl_of_Mar. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#OrabilisMRobertQuincy. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#MorgundMardied11771183
  6. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgg%C3%A1n,_Earl_of_Mar.
  7. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domhnall_I,_Earl_of_Mar#/media/File:Mar_(historical_district).PNG.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Duncan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108344&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#DuncanMardied1242B

Agnes (?)1

F, #68545
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited8 Jul 2020
     Agnes (?) married Morgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar, son of Gille Chlerig (?) Earl of Mar;
His 1st wife.1,2,3
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "MORGUND [Morgrund] MacGylocher (-[1177/30 Mar 1183]). He succeeded as Earl of Mar, witnessing charters before 1152 and [1154/58]. "Morgrundus comes de Mar" donated "ecclesiam sancti M’Huluoch de Tharuelund" to St Andrew’s priory, for the souls of "Agnetis comitisse sponse mee", by undated charter, witnessed by "…Dunecano comite de Fif, Marleswano, Nesio filio Willi, Galfredo de Maleuill…"[410]. "Morgrundus comes de Mar" donated "ecclesiam Miggehwith" to St Andrew’s priory, confirmed by "Agnetis comitisse sponse mee", by undated charter witnessed by "Ada comitissa, Hela comitissa, Alexandro de sco Martino, Hugone Giffard, Willo Giffard…Willo filio Hugonis Giffard…"[411]. Morgund’s right to the earldom of Mar was challenged, maybe by Gilchrist Earl of Mar (see below)[412]. However, Morgund was later restored as earl of Mar, as shown by a memorandum dated 1291 which records that, when William King of Scotland returned "comitatum suum de Mar" to "Morgundo M[ac] Gyloclery predecessori Domini Donenaldi comitis de Marre", certain portions of land were omitted[413]. Selden published a document which purports to record the regrant of his earldom (as well as the earldom of Moray) by King William to "Morgund son of Gillocher, formerly Earl of Mar", confirming him as the lawful son and heir of "Gillocher, Earl of Mar…[Earl] of Moray", dated 23 May 1171[414]. Skene recites the arguments which indicate the spurious nature of this document, concluding that it is "open to serious objections" while admitting that "it is difficult to devise a motive for inventing such a document"[415]. Nevertheless the 1291 memorandum quoted above suggests some historical basis for the factual background of the spurious 1171 document. The question was revived in 1257 when Alan Durward, most likely a descendant of Gilchrist Earl of Mar, challenged the possession of Duncan Earl of Mar (see below) on the basis of his father’s claimed illegitimacy. This was presumably the occasion when the alleged 1171 document was produced. The date of Morgund’s death is confirmed by a bull of Pope Lucius III dated 30 Mar 1183 which confirms donations to St Andrew’s and including donations by "Murgundi quondam comitis de Mar"[416].
     "m [firstly] AGNES, daughter of ---. "Morgrundus comes de Mar" donated "ecclesiam sancti M’Huluoch de Tharuelund" to St Andrew’s priory, for the souls of "Agnetis comitisse sponse mee", by undated charter, witnessed by "…Dunecano comite de Fif, Marleswano, Nesio filio Willi, Galfredo de Maleuill…"[417]. "Morgrundus comes de Mar" donated "ecclesiam Miggehwith" to St Andrew’s priory, confirmed by "Agnetis comitisse sponse mee", by undated charter witnessed by "Ada comitissa, Hela comitissa, Alexandro de sco Martino, Hugone Giffard, Willo Giffard…Willo filio Hugonis Giffard…"[418]. "Agnes comitissa de Mar" donated "dimidiam carucatam terre in ville de Inuerinche" to St Andrew’s priory, for the souls of "mee et Morgrundi comitis sponsi mei", by undated charter witnessed by "Ada comitissa, Hela comitissa, Alexandro de sco Martino, Hugone Giffard…"[419].
     "m secondly as her second husband, ORABILIS, separated wife of ROBERT de Quincy, daughter of NES of Mar and his wife --- (-before 30 Jun 1203). Her marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Orabilis comitissa de Mar filia Nesii filii Willi" [confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam de Lochres" made by "pater meus Nesius filius Willi" to St Andrew’s priory, witnessed by "Duncano comite de Fif…"[420]. The Complete Peerage says that "it has been asserted" that Orabilis’s second husband was Gilchrist Earl of Mar, but adds that "the chronology is difficult"[421]. The chronology in fact appears impossible: Earl Gilchrist is recorded after 1204, whereas Orabilis is named with her [third] husband in a charter of her father which, although undated, is probably not dated much later than 1177. It seems more likely that Orabilis’s second husband was Earl Morgund, who died soon after her marriage, after which she married her third husband. An alternative possibility is that Orabilis’s second and third husbands were in fact reversed, which is the assumption of Balfour Paul[422]. Orabilis married thirdly Adam of Fife. Her third marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Nesius filius Willelmi" donated "ecclesiam de Lochres" to St Andrew’s priory witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif…Adam filio Dunec et Horabili sponsa sua…"[423]. There seems little doubt that the witness was Orabilis, daughter of the donor, and her third husband, as the name is so unusual. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated property to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…Patricio filio Nesii, Dunc filio Elin…"[424]. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated "Davach ictar Hathyn" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…G. com de Mar…Patricio filio Nesii, Duncan filio Emelin…"[425]. Pope Innocent III confirmed the possessions of Inchaffray Abbey, including the donation of land "in territorio de Gasgt" by "quondam Orable matris Seer de Quinci", by bull dated 30 Jun 1203[426]. Orabilis presumably died before her first husband, given the undated charter under which her son "Seerus de Quinci" confirmed the donation of "Davac Icthar Hathyn" made by "matris mea" to St Andrew’s priory which was witnessed by "…Roberto de Quincy patre meo…"[427].]"
Med Lands cites:
[410] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 246.
[411] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 247.
[412] Skene (1890), Vol. III, p. 68.
[413] Spalding Club (1847) Illustrations of the Topography and Antiquities of the Shires of Aberdeen and Banff (Aberdeen) ("Aberdeen Antiquities"), Vol. II, p. 151.
[414] Selden, J. (1672) Titles of Honor (London, republished Lawbook Exchange Ltd, 2006), p. 700 (available in limited preview in Google Book).
[415] Skene (1890), Vol. III, Appendix III, pp. 442-3.
[416] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 59.
[417] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 246.
[418] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 247.
[419] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 249.
[420] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 287.
[421] CP VIII 399.
[422] Balfour Paul The Scots Peerage, Vol. IV, Fife, p. 6.
[423] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 287.
[424] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 290.
[425] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 290.
[426] Inchaffray, XXI, p. 19.
[427] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 291.2
GAV-23.

Family

Morgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar b. b 1152, d. c 30 Mar 1183
Children

Citations

  1. [S2103] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2006: "Re: Sir Walter Stewart 3rd High Steward of Scotland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Oct 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2006."
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#MorgundMardied11771183. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Morgund MacGylocher: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108342&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Duncan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108344&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#DuncanMardied1242B

Duncan (?) 4th Earl of Mar1,2

M, #68546, d. before 7 February 1243
FatherMorgund MacGylocher (?) Earl of Mar1,3,2,4 b. b 1152, d. c 30 Mar 1183
MotherAgnes (?)1,2,4
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited8 Jul 2020
     Duncan (?) 4th Earl of Mar died before 7 February 1243; Genealogics and Ravilious says d bef 7 Feb 1243; Med Lands says d. 1242/7 Feb 1244.1,2,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. I 182.2

; Per Med Lands:
     "DUNCAN, son of MORGUND Earl of Mar & his [first wife Agnes ---] (-[1242/7 Feb 1244]). "Malcolmus filius Moregrundi comitis de Mar" confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam Sancti Muluoch de Tarueland" to St Andrew’s made by "pater meus" by charter dated to [1207/28], witnessed by "…Jacobo filio Moregrundi, Dunecane fratre ipsius"[452]. A charter dated 1222 records an agreement between St Andrew’s and "Gillemor Scolgo de Tarualont" and "hominem eorum ligium…I. filio bone memorie M. quondam comitis de Mar…", witnessed by "domino D. filio M. quondam comitis de Mar, domino I. fratre eius…"[453]. He was installed as Earl of Mar in [1222/28]: Alexander II King of Scotland confirmed property of St Andrew’s by charter dated 29 Aug 1228, including the donation of "terram pratum de Dolfgmuld" made by "Dunecani comitis filii Morgrunt"[454]. "Duncanus comes de Marr" donated "ecclesiam de Loychel" to St Andrew’s priory, for the soul of "patris mei Morgrund et matris mee Agnetis", by undated charter[455].
     "m ---. The name of Duncan’s wife is not known. "
Med Lands cites:
[452] Aberdeen Antiquities, Vol. II, p. 17.
[453] Aberdeen Antiquities, Vol. II, p. 19.
[454] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 232.
[455] St Andrew’s Priory, p. 362.4


; This is the same person as ”Donnchadh, Earl of Mar” at Wikipedia.5 Duncan (?) 4th Earl of Mar was also known as Donnchadh (?) Earl of Mar.5 GAV-25. He was Mormaer/Earl of Mar
See attached map of location of Mar within Scotland (from Wikipedia: By Benson85 at the English language Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=3003289) in 1203.4,5,6

Family

Children

Citations

  1. [S2103] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2006: "Re: Sir Walter Stewart 3rd High Steward of Scotland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Oct 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 28 Oct 2006."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Duncan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108344&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Morgund MacGylocher: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108342&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#DuncanMardied1242B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnchadh,_Earl_of_Mar. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  6. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domhnall_I,_Earl_of_Mar#/media/File:Mar_(historical_district).PNG.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108346&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#WilliamMardied1281
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108360&tree=LEO

Peter Cornwall1

M, #68547, d. 13 July 1387
FatherSir Edmund de Cornwall of Kynlet, Knt.1 b. 1282, d. 22 Mar 1354
MotherElizabeth de Brampton1 b. 1294, d. 1354
Last Edited14 Sep 2007
     Peter Cornwall married Elizabeth Hanley.1
Peter Cornwall died on 13 July 1387.1

Family

Elizabeth Hanley

Citations

  1. [S2104] John Higgins, "Higgins email 28 Oct 2006: "RPA additions - Mackworth"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Oct 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Higgins email 28 Oct 2006."

Robert de Neville1

M, #68549
Last Edited15 Aug 2019
     Robert de Neville married Angharad ferch Gruffud ap Madog, daughter of Gruffydd "Maelor" ap Madog ap Gruffudd Maelor ap Madog of Lower Powys, Lord of Bromefield and Emma de Audley; her 2nd husbeand (per Ravilious.)1

Citations

  1. [S2107] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 14 Nov 2006: "CP 'Addition': Elizabeth de Nevill, mother of Ralph, Lord Greystoke (d. 1367)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 14 Nov 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 14 Nov 2006."

Philip de Neville1

M, #68550
FatherRobert de Neville1
MotherAngharad ferch Gruffud ap Madog1
Last Edited15 Sep 2007

Citations

  1. [S2107] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 14 Nov 2006: "CP 'Addition': Elizabeth de Nevill, mother of Ralph, Lord Greystoke (d. 1367)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 14 Nov 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 14 Nov 2006."