Beatrix (?) of Bohemia1,2,3

F, #57121, b. between 1230 and 1231, d. 25 May 1290
FatherVaclav (Wenceslas) I (?) King of Bohemia1,3,2 b. 1205, d. 23 Sep 1253
MotherKunigunde (?) von Hohenstaufen1,3,2 b. 1200, d. 13 Sep 1248
Last Edited20 Oct 2020
     Beatrix (?) of Bohemia was born between 1230 and 1231.3 She married Otto III 'der Frome' von Brandenburg Markgraf von Brandenburg, son of Albrecht II von Brandenburg Markgraf von Brandenburg and Mathilde (?) Markgräfin von der Nieder-Lausitz, before June 1243.4,1,3,2,5,6

Beatrix (?) of Bohemia died on 25 May 1290 at Breslau (Wroclaw), Miasto Wroclaw, Dolnoslaskie, Poland (now); Med Lands says d. 27 May 1290, Genealogics says d. 25 May 1286; Genealogy.EU (Bohemia 2 & Ascania 1) say d. 25.5.1286.1,2,7,3
Beatrix (?) of Bohemia was buried after 27 May 1290 at Church of St. Clare (Klarissenkloster), Wroclaw, Miasto Wroclaw, Dolnoslaskie, Poland; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1230
     DEATH     27 May 1290 (aged 59–60), Wroc?aw, Dolno?l?skie, Poland
     Wife of Margrave Otto III of Brandenburg.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Wenceslaus I of Bohemia 1205–1253
          Kunigunde von Hohenstaufen 1202–1248
     Siblings
          Agnes of Bohemia 1244–1268
     BURIAL     Church of St. Clare, Wroc?aw, Miasto Wroc?aw, Dolno?l?skie, Poland
     Created by: Anonymous
     Added: 18 Oct 2012
     -Find a Grave Memorial 99160189.8
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "OTTO von Brandenburg ([1209/16]-Brandenburg am Havel 9 Oct 1267, bur Strausberg Dominican church). The Cronica Principum Saxonie names "Iohannem et Ottonem" as sons of "Albertus secundus"[193]. The Chronicon Sancti Michaelis Luneburgensis names "Iohannes et Otto marchiones" as brothers of "Megthildem filiam Ottonis marchionis", wife of "Ottonem filium [Willehelmi]"[194]. He succeeded in 1220 as OTTO III joint Markgraf von Brandenburg, jointly with his brother. "Mechtildis…marchionissa Brandenburgensis, Johannes et Otto filii eius" purchased territories from the archbishop of Magdeburg, with the consent of "Henricus comes Ascharie, qui tutelam prefatorum nepotum nostrorum gerimus", by charter dated 20 Sep 1221[195]. "Johannes et Otto…marchioness Brandenburgensis" donated property to Kloster Arendsee by charter dated 6 Nov 1225 in memory of "patris nostri Alberti pie memorie marchionis Brandenburgensis"[196]. "Johannes…marchio Brandenburgensis" donated property to Kloster Neuendorf by charter dated 11 Dec 1233 with the consent of "nostri fratris marchionis Ottonis"[197]. "Otto…Brandenburgensis Marchio" donated property to Kloster Arendsee by charter dated 2 Aug 1253 witnessed by "domina Beatrix…uxor nostra, Johannes primogenitus noster, Conradus filius frater nostri, Adolphus comes de Dannenberch"[198]. The Cronica Principum Saxonie records the death "1267 in die sancti Dyonisii" of "Otto III" and his burial "Struzeberch in…ecclesie fratrum Predicatorum"[199].
     "m (before Jun 1243) BEATRIX [Božena] of Bohemia, daughter of WENZEL I King of Bohemia & his wife Kunigunde von Hohenstaufen ([1230/31]-Breslau 27 May 1290, bur Breslau Klarissenkloster). The Cronica Principum Saxonie names "Beatricem filiam regis Boemie" as wife of "Otto III"[200]. An undated memorial of the foundation of Kloster Arendsee names "Ottonis et Beatrice uxoris eius" among donors to the monastery[201]. The Notæ Sanctæ Claræ record the death "1290 VI Kal Iun" of "Beatrix marchionissa Brandburgensis" specifying that she was sister of "Anna ducissa, filia regis Bohemis, coniunx ducis Henrici"[202]."
Med Lands cites:
[193] Cronica Principum Saxonie, MGH SS XXV, p. 478.
[194] Chronicon Sancti Michaelis Luneburgensis, MGH SS XXIII, p. 397.
[195] Codex Diplomaticus Anhaltinus, Teil II, 55, p. 46.
[196] Codex Brandenburgensis, Dritter Haupttheil - Die Altmark, Band 22, XXIV Kloster Arendsee, III, p. 3.
[197] Codex Brandenburgensis, Dritter Haupttheil - Die Altmark, Band 22, XXV Kloster Neuendorf, III, p. 364.
[198] Codex Brandenburgensis, Dritter Haupttheil - Die Altmark, Band 22, XXIV Kloster Arendsee, IX, p. 6.
[199] Cronica Principum Saxonie, MGH SS XXV, p. 480.
[200] Cronica Principum Saxonie, MGH SS XXV, p. 479.
[201] Codex Brandenburgensis, Dritter Haupttheil - Die Altmark, Band 22, XXIV Kloster Arendsee, I, p. 1.
[202] Notæ Monialium Sanctæ Claræ Wratislaviensium, MGH SS XIX, p. 534.6


; Per Genealogy.EU (Ascania): “G2. Mgve Otto III of Brandenburg (1220-67), +Brandenburg an der Havel 9.10.1267; m.before VI.1243 Beatrix of Bohemia (+25.5.1286)”.9

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 24.2

; This is the same person as ”Beatrice of Bohemia” at Wikipedia, as ”Béatrice de Bohême” at Wikipédia (FR), and as ”Božena ?eská” at Wikipedia (CZ).10,11,12

; Per Med Lands:
     "BEATRIX [Božena] ([1230/31]-Breslau 27 May 1290, bur Breslau Klarissenkloster). The Cronica Principum Saxonie names "Beatricem filiam regis Boemie" as wife of "Otto III"[292]. An undated memorial of the foundation of Kloster Arendsee names "Ottonis et Beatrice uxoris eius" among donors to the monastery[293]. The Notæ Sanctæ Claræ record the death "1290 VI Kal Iun" of "Beatrix marchionissa Brandburgensis" specifying that she was sister of "Anna ducissa, filia regis Bohemis, coniunx ducis Henrici"[294].
     "m (before Jun 1243) OTTO III Markgraf von Brandenburg, son of ALBRECHT II Markgraf von Brandenburg [Ballenstedt] & his wife Mathilde von Landsberg [Wettin] ([1209/16]-Brandenburg am Havel 9 Oct 1267, bur Strausberg Dominican church). The Canonicorum Pragensium Continuationes Cosmæ names "Ottoni marchioni" as "genero suo [=rex Prziemysl]" and his wife "sorori suæ de Bramburk, Czaslaw"[295]."
Med Lands cites:
[292] Cronica Principum Saxonie, MGH SS XXV, p. 479.
[293] Codex Brandenburgensis, Dritte Abteilung - Die Altmark, Band 22, XXIV Kloster Arendsee, I, p. 1.
[294] Notæ Monialium Sanctæ Claræ Wratislaviensium, MGH SS XIX, p. 534.
[295] Canonicorum Pragensium Continuationes Cosmæ, Annales Otakariani, 1264, MGH SS IX, p. 186.3


; Per Genealogy.EU (Bohemia 2): “D3. Beatrix, +Breslau 25.5.1286; m.VI.1243 Margrave Otto III of Brandenburg (+9.10.1267)”


Per Genealogy.EU (Ascania 1): “G2. Mgve Otto III of Brandenburg (1220-67), +Brandenburg an der Havel 9.10.1267; m.before VI.1243 Beatrix of Bohemia (+25.5.1286.)13,7"

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bohemia 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bohemia/bohemia2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrix of Bohemia: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030636&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BOHEMIA.htm#Beatrixdied1290. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 1 page (House of Ascania): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan1.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto III 'der Fromme': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030635&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BRANDENBURG,%20PRUSSIA.htm#OttoIIIdied1267.
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, House of Ascania: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan1.html#O3
  8. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 06 September 2020), memorial page for Beatrice of Bohemia (1230–27 May 1290), Find a Grave Memorial no. 99160189, citing Church of St. Clare, Wroc?aw, Miasto Wroc?aw, Dolno?l?skie, Poland; Maintained by Anonymous (contributor 47918137), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/99160189/beatrice-of_bohemia. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 1 page (House of Ascania): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan1.html
  10. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_of_Bohemia. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  11. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Béatrice de Bohême: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9atrice_de_Boh%C3%AAme. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  12. [S4781] Wikipedie - Otevrená encyklopedie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Božena ?eská: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C5%BEena_%C4%8Cesk%C3%A1. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedie (CZ).
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bohemia 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bohemia/bohemia2.html#BW1
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunigunde von Brandenburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020774&tree=LEO
  15. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BRANDENBURG,%20PRUSSIA.htm#Kunigundediedafter9Jun1292.
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030639&tree=LEO
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde von Brandenburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00019897&tree=LEO
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Johann III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030637&tree=LEO
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albrecht III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020620&tree=LEO
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto VI: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030638&tree=LEO
  21. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BRANDENBURG,%20PRUSSIA.htm#OttoVIdied1303.

Rianier II del Monferrato Marchese del Monferrato1,2,3

M, #57122, b. circa 1075, d. between 1135 and 1137
FatherGuglielmo IV del Monferrato Marchese del Monferrato4,5 b. c 1040, d. c 1100
MotherAude/Otta (?) d'Aglie/Agledo4,5 b. c 1045
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited24 Jun 2020
     Rianier II del Monferrato Marchese del Monferrato was born circa 1075; Genealogy.EU says b. ca 1075; Genealogics says b. ca 1084.1,5 He married Gisela (?) Countess of Burgundy-Ivrea, daughter of Guillaume I "The Great" Testard (?) Comte de Bourgogne et de Macon and Etiennette (?), in 1105
; her 2nd husband.1,2,6,5,7,8
Rianier II del Monferrato Marchese del Monferrato died between 1135 and 1137; Genealogy.EU says d. 1135-37; Genealogics and Med Lands say d. bef 1137.1,2,3,8
     ; There seems to be a dispute as to the parents of Beatrice:
1. Genealogy.EU (Montfer page) shows her father to be Rainier II and her mother to be Gisela de Bourgogne. Guglielmo V "il Vecchio" (aka Guillaume V) is her brother.
2. Genealogics shows her father to be Guglielmo V "il Vecchio", making Rainier II and Gisela her grandparents.
3. Med Lands shows her as possibly the dau. of Bublielmo V and his wife, Judith of Austria.

[GA Vaut 1 Sep 2020]“.9,1,10

; Per Genealogics:
     "Raniero was born about 1084, the son of Guillermo IV, margrave of Monferrato, also recorded as Guillaume III, margrave of Ravenna, and Otta di Agledo. He was the margrave of Monferrato from around 1100 to his death.
     "In 1105 Raniero married Gisela de Bourgogne, widow of Umberto II, comte de Savoie, and daughter of Guillaume I, comte de Bourgogne, and his wife Stephanie. Adèle de Savoie, Gisela's daughter by Umberto, in 1115 became the second queen of Louis VI 'the Fat' of France. Raniero and Gisela had a son Guillermo who would succeed his father and have progeny, and several daughters.
     "Raniero was a powerful lord in his own time, appearing extensively in the contemporary documentation. With him the Aleramici of Monferrato first begin to throw off the shroud of obscurity and demonstrate a degree of influence in Italian politics. The beginning of his reign is nevertheless not clearly known, as he first appears in a document of 23 March 1111 as _Raynerius de Monteferrato marchio._ He appears with the same title years later in 1126 and 1133, when, with other members of his family, he founded the Cistercian monastery of Santa Maria di Lucedio near Trino.
     "Around the time of his appearance, Raniero was a follower of the Emperor Heinrich V. In 1111 he obtained an imperial concession for the citizens of Turin: a diploma regarding the Via Francigena which passed through the town. Also that year, with his cousin Oberto I of Occimiano, he donated to the chapter of Saint Evasius of Casale the Church of San Martino di Zenzano _infra castrum Aucimianum_ (in the castle of Occimiano). That this act took place in Occimiano testifies to the importance of that locality, which had in the past been the seat of kings.
     "In 1113 Raniero donated his portion of the Langiano to the monastery of San Secondo di Terra Rossa, affiliated with the abbey of Fruttuaria. On 23 May 1116 he was present with the emperor when the latter bestowed the castles of Celle, Frassinello, Fubine and Cuccaro on his nephew Konrad III, son of his sister Agnes.
     "Raniero died in May 1135 and was succeeded by his son Guillermo."5

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 199, 200.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "RANIERI di Monferrato, son of GUGLIELMO III Marchese di Ravenna & his second wife Otta di Agledo (-[1135/37]). "Vuilielmus et Reinerius fratres et Marchiones filii quondam item Vuilelmi Marchionis de Ravenna seu Otta comitissa mater et filii et filia quondam Tebaldi de Agldo et relicta jam dicta quondam Vuilelmi Marchionis quondam vir meus" donated property to the church of Vercelli by charter dated 28 Dec 1101[76]. "Rainerius Marchio filius quondam Vilielmi Marchionis et Ardicius filius quondam item Ardicionis et Bernardus filius quondam Henrici" donated property to the monastery of "Virginis Mariæ sito in loco Lucedii" by charter dated 4 Jan 1126 (O.S.)[77]. Marchese di Monferrato. "Marchionum Rainerii et Oberti eius consanguinei" donated the church of San Martino di Zenzano to the church of Casale by charter dated 1111, witnessed by "Boiamundus de Manciano nepos marchionis Oberti…"[78]. "Marchio Ragnerius filius quondam Willielmi et Gisla jugalis filia quondam Vialii, sive Willielmus filius iam dicti Ragnerii nec non et Julitta jugalis filia Lupaldi, atque Ardezonus filius quondam item Ardezonii" donated property to the monastery of Locedio by charter dated 28 Mar 1133 "in castro…Monsbellus"[79].
     "m ([1105]) as her second husband, GISELE de Bourgogne-Comté, widow of HUMBERT II "le Renforcé" Comte de Maurienne et de Savoie, daughter of GUILLAUME I Comte Palatin de Bourgogne, Comte de Vienne et de Mâcon & his wife Etiennette --- ([1075]-after 1133). Her parentage is deduced from Suger saying that her daughter Adelaide, wife of Louis VI "le Gros" King of France, was the niece of Pope Calixtus II[80]. This is corroborated by "Guido Viennensis archiepiscopus" (later Pope Calixtus II) addressing a letter to "nepoti suo Amedeo comiti" (Amedée III Comte de Savoie, son of Gisèle by her first marriage) dated [1115][81]. Her date of birth is estimated from her having given birth to five children by her second husband whom she married in [1105], and assuming that she was no more than 17 years old when she gave birth to her first child by her first husband. Her second marriage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who records the marriage of Guillaume de Normandie and the daughter of Raniero III Marchese di Monferrato, naming both the bride's parents and specifying that the marriage was arranged by the bride's uterine half-sister, Adélaïde de Maurienne Queen of France[82]. "Marchio Ragnerius filius quondam Willielmi et Gisla jugalis filia quondam Vialii, sive Willielmus filius iam dicti Ragnerii nec non et Julitta jugalis filia Lupaldi, atque Ardezonus filius quondam item Ardezonii" donated property to the monastery of Locedio by charter dated 28 Mar 1133 "in castro…Monsbellus"[83].
Med Lands cites:
[76] Monumenta Aquensia, Pars I, col. 42.
[77] Monumenta Aquensia, Pars II, col. 320.
[78] Casale Monferrato, Vol. I, VII, p. 9.
[79] Monumenta Aquensia, Pars I, col. 50.
[80] Suger, 27, cited in Bouchard, C. B. (1987) Sword, Miter, and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy 980-1198 (Cornell University Press), p. 275.
[81] Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Saint-André-le-Bas de Vienne, Collection de cartulaires dauphinois Tome I (Vienne, 1869) ("Vienne Saint-André-de-Bas"), Chartarium Viennensium 72, p. 281.
[82] Chibnall, M. (ed. and trans.) (1969) The Ecclesiastical History of Orderic Vitalis (Oxford Clarendon Press), Vol. VI, Book XII, p. 371.
[83] Monumenta Aquensia, Pars I, col. 50.8


; Per Wikipedia:
     "Rainier or Renier (Italian: Ranieri; c. 1084 – May 1135),[1] son of William IV, Marquess of Montferrat, was the sixth ruler of the state of Montferrat in north-west Italy from about 1100 to his death, and the first such to be identified in contemporary documents as Margrave of Montferrat.
Life
     "Renier was a powerful lord in his own time, appearing extensively in the contemporary documentation. With him the Aleramici of Montferrat first begin to throw off the shroud of obscurity and demonstrate a degree of influence in Italian politics. The beginning of his reign, nevertheless, is not clearly known, as he first appears in a document of 23 March 1111 as Raynerius de Monteferrato marchio. He appears with this same title years later in 1126 and 1133 when, with other members of his family, he founded the Cistercian monastery of Santa Maria di Lucedio near Trino.
     "Around the time of his appearance in the pages of history, c. 1111, Renier was a follower of the Emperor Henry V. In that year he obtained an imperial concession for the citizens of Turin: a diploma regarding the Via Francigena which passed through the town. Also that year, with his cousin Oberto I of Occimiano, he donated to the Chapter of Saint Evasius of Casale the church of San Martino di Zenzano infra castrum Aucimianum (in the castle of Occimiano). That this act took place in Occimiano testifies to the importance of that locality, which had in the past been the seat of kings.
     "In 1113, Renier donated his portion of the Langiano to the monastery of San Secondo di Terra Rossa, affiliated with the Abbey of Fruttuaria. On 23 May 1116, Renier was present with the Emperor when the latter bestowed the castles of Celle, Frassinello, Fubine, and Cuccaro on his nephew Conrad and Guido Cane.
Family
     "In 1105, Renier married Gisela, daughter of William I, Count of Burgundy, already the widow of Humbert II of Savoy and mother of Adelaide of Maurienne, who, in 1115, became the second queen of Louis VI of France. She and Renier had three or four daughters:
** Joanna, who married William Clito, Count of Flanders, in 1127, and was widowed a year later[2]
** Matilda, who married Alberto Zueta, Margrave of Parodi
** Adelasia, who became a nun
** one possibly named Isabella, who married Guido, Count of Biandrate (although it is possible that this may be a second marriage of Joanna)

     "They also had a son, William V, who succeeded to the march.
References
1. Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Herausgegeben von Detlev Schwennicke (Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1984), Tafel 200
2. Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Herausgegeben von Detlev Schwennicke (Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1984), Tafeln 81, 200
Sources
** Usseglio, Leopoldo. I Marchesi di Monferrato in Italia ed in Oriente durante i secoli XII e XIII. 1926.
** ‘Ranieri’, freely adapted by Roberto Maestri from Aldo di Ricaldone, Annali del Monferrato (951–1708), and published online by the circolo culturale I Marchesi del Monferrato."7 GAV-25.

; Per Genealogy.EU: "Rainier II, Marchese di Montferrato (1100-35), *ca 1075, +1135-37; m.1105 Gisela de Bourgogne (*ca 1070 +after 1133.)1" He was Marchese di Montferrato between 1100 and 1135.1,7

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Montfer page (Aleramici (di Montferrato) family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/italy/montfer.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ivrea 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ivrea/ivrea1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raniero: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00049935&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Montfer page - Aleramici (di Montferrato) family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/italy/montfer.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raniero: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00049935&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisela de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026532&tree=LEO
  7. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainier,_Marquess_of_Montferrat. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MONFERRATO,%20SALUZZO,%20SAVONA.htm#RanieriIIIdied11351137. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillermo V 'il Vecchio': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027229&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MONFERRATO,%20SALUZZO,%20SAVONA.htm#BeatriceMonferratoMEnricoICarrettoSavona.
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MONFERRATO,%20SALUZZO,%20SAVONA.htm#MatildaMAlbertoMassaGaviParodi.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jeanne de Monferrato: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140170&tree=LEO

Elizabeth de Mohun de Bourgogne1,2

F, #57123, b. 1343, d. between January 1414 and 1415
FatherJohn de Mohun KG, 2nd Lord Mohun of Dunster2 b. c 1320, d. 15 Sep 1375
MotherLady Joan de Burghersh2,3 d. 4 Oct 1404
Last Edited3 Oct 2019
     Elizabeth de Mohun de Bourgogne was born in 1343.4 She married William de Montagu KG, 4th Lord Montagu, 2nd Earl of Salisbury, son of Sir William de Montagu Knt., 3rd Lord Montagu, 1st Earl of Salisbury and Katherine de Grandson, after 1349
;
His 2nd wife.1,4,2,5
Elizabeth de Mohun de Bourgogne died between January 1414 and 1415.4,2
      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936, Doubleday, H. A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: XI 390.4 She was Lady of the Garter in 1384.4

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Arundel 1 page (The House of Arundel): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/arundel1.html
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Burghhersh 9.ii.a: p. 170. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan de Burghersh: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00125462&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Mohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00384563&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Montagu,2nd Earl of Salisbury: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00384562&tree=LEO
  6. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Fitz Alan 12: p. 323.

John Fitz Alan1

M, #57124, b. after 15 August 1390
FatherRichard Fitz Alan KG, 11th/4th Earl of Arundel, 10th Earl of Surrey1,2 b. 1346, d. 21 Sep 1397
MotherLady Philippa Mortimer 2nd Countess Arundel, Countess of Surrey1 b. 21 Nov 1375, d. 24 Sep 1401
Last Edited12 Oct 2008
     John Fitz Alan died; died young.1 He was born after 15 August 1390; date of birth based on date of his parent's marriage [GAV 5 July 2003].

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Arundel 1 page (The House of Arundel): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/arundel1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard Fitzalan: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026620&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Lady Margaret fitz Alan1

F, #57125
FatherWilliam fitz Alan KG, KB, 18th/11th Earl of Arundel1 b. 1476, d. bt 23 Jan 1543 - 1544
MotherLady Anne Percy1 b. b 27 Jul 1485, d. 1552
Last Edited5 Jul 2003

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Arundel 2 page (The House of Arundel): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/arundel2.html

Lady Elizabeth fitz Alan1

F, #57126
FatherWilliam fitz Alan KG, KB, 18th/11th Earl of Arundel1 b. 1476, d. bt 23 Jan 1543 - 1544
MotherLady Anne Percy1 b. b 27 Jul 1485, d. 1552
Last Edited5 Jul 2003

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Arundel 2 page (The House of Arundel): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/arundel2.html

Guigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon1,2,3

M, #57127, b. between 995 and 1000, d. 22 April 1075
FatherGuigues [III] de Vion Sire de Vion1,4,5,2
MotherGotelana/Gotheline de Clérieu1,2,5,6 d. c 1027
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited2 Sep 2020
     Guigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon was born between 995 and 1000; Med Lands says b. 995/1000; Wikipédia (Fr.) says b. 995/1000.3,7 He married Adelais (?) de Turin
;
His 1st wife.1,2,8 Guigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon married Inez/Agnes/Inès (?) of Barcelona, daughter of Ramon Berenguer I "el Viejo" (?) conde de Barcelona and Almodis de La Marche, on 10 May 1070
;
His 2nd wife.1,2,9,3,10
Guigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon died on 22 April 1075 at Abbey of Cluny, Cluny, Departement de Saône-et-Loire, Burgundy, France; died as a monk at Cluny; Genealogics says d. 22 Apr 1075; Wikipédia (Fr.) says d. 1070.1,2,5,3
     GAV-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/4:738.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 177.2


; This is the same person as ”Guigues I of Albon” at Wikipedia and as ”Guigues Ier d'Albon” at Wikipédia (FR).11,7

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux", son of GUIGUES [II] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75]). "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[177]. His birth date range, estimated consistent with the birth date ranges which are estimated for the other members of this family, means that Guigues was probably still a child at the date of this charter. "…Wigonis et Umberti filiorum fratris eius…" signed the charter dated 1012 under which "Umbertus Grationopolensis ecclesiæ præsul" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[178]. Comte d’Albon. "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated "ecclesiam de Visilia" to Cluny by undated charter, subscribed by "Wigonis filii sui, Ainardi de Domena, duobus de fratribus suis Attanulfi Wigonis, Bermundi de Aurel, Humberti nepotis sui"[179]. This charter is dated to [1090] in the compilation of Cluny charters. The document refers to Hugues abbot of Cluny, who is named in documents between 1048 and 1090. If [1090] is the correct date, it would have been signed towards the end of the lives of all three of the Domène brothers who subscribed the document: they are named in charters for Domène between [1027] and [1085][180]. It is therefore possible that the document dates from earlier in the abbacy of Hugues, in which case the donor could be Guigues [III] "Vetus". If this was correct, it would also resolve the problem of the identity of Gotelene. Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné suggests that "Gotelenne" was a corruption derived from the word "Catalonia" and therefore that this charter refers to Guigues [III]’s son by Ines de Barcelona[181]. This seems an unlikely explanation as the name "Catalonia" has not been observed in contemporary charters to describe Barcelona and adjacent counties collectively (see the document CATALONIA). A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[182]. "…Guigo comes et filius eius Guigo…" witnessed the charter dated 27 Jan 1052 which records an agreement between the archbishop of Vienne and the canons of the church of Romans[183]. "Vuigo comes" donated property "in parrochia Heroneii" to Domène by undated charter which names "dominus Hugo Prior de Domina" (whose priorship is dated to [1058] to [1072], indicating that the donor was Guigues [III] "Vetus")[184]. "Guigo comes qui nomine vocor senex atque filius meus Guigo pinguis" donated property to Oulx by charter dated 1063[185]. “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”, subscribed by “Pontii episcopi”[186], the date corresponding to the year 1070. He became a monk at Cluny. The necrology of the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Wigo comes"[187]. The necrology of the priory of Saint-Robert records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Guigo comes qui cognominatus est Vetus"[188]. No document has yet been found which identifies the year of his death. However, considering the date of his second marriage, and the birth of his son by his second wife, it is likely that he died in [1074/75]. He was dead by 12 Nov 1076, the date of the testament of his father-in-law Ramon Berenguer Comte de Barcelona which provides for the reversion of the testator’s county to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes" in case of extinction of his descendants in the male line[189]. This wording implies that both Ines and Guigues were deceased at the time. Prudhomme distinguishes two individuals in place of "Guigues [III]"[190]. He states that the older Guigues died in 1034, married "Gotelenne", and that his son was the second person, Guigues "Vetus". He cites no primary source in support of his theory, in particular no document which indicates that one of the counts Guigues died in 1034. The division of this person into two seems unnecessary to explain the primary sources. The family relationships shown in this document leave no primary source reference unexplained. In any case, it seems appropriate that Guigues "Vetus" should be identified with Guigues [III] as he would have well merited his nickname, assuming that his birth date is correctly estimated as shown above.
     "m firstly ADELSINDIS, daughter of --- (-after 29 Apr 1050). "Malleni episcopi Gratianopolitani et Wigonis comitis et uxoris eius Adelsendis, filiorumque suorum Umberti et Wigonis" signed a charter dated 26 Aug 1035 relating to the donation of four churches in Vico to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[191]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[192], the first wife of Guigues [III] was "Gotelana de Clérieux". It appears that this hypothesis must be based on the charter dated [1090] under which "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated property to Cluny[193]. However, as noted above, a better interpretation of the documentation is that "Gotelenne" was the mother of Guigues [III] not his wife. A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[194].
     "m secondly (10 May 1070) INES de Barcelona, daughter of RAMON BERENGUER I "el Viejo" Comte de Barcelona & his third wife Almodis de la Marche ([1055/56]-[before 12 Nov 1076]). “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”, subscribed by “Pontii episcopi”[195], the date corresponding to the year 1070. Her parentage is confirmed by the publication of the testament of "comitis Barchinone…Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 includes a residuary provision that, in case of the death of his three other children, his counties would revert to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes"[196]. The wording of the testament implies that both Ines and her husband were deceased at the time."
Med Lands cites:
[177] MGH, Die Urkunden der Burgundischen Rudolfinger (1977), 93, p. 246.
[178] Saint-Chaffre CCCLV, p. 118.
[179] Cluny, Tome IV, 3652, p. 822.
[180] Domène, pp. xxxiv-xxxv.
[181] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612.
[182] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612, quoting Cartulary of Saint-Pierre de Vienne (no citation reference).
[183] Romans (1856), 4, p. 8.
[184] Domène, 9, p. 12, list of priors, Introduction, p. xv.
[185] Oulx, XVIII, p. 18.
[186] Roman (1886), p. 15,
[187] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Saint-Martin-des-Champs, p. 435.
[188] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 613, quoting necrology of priory of Saint-Robert, auprès de Grenoble (no citation reference).
[189] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.
[190] Prudhomme (1888), p. 69
[191] Saint-Chaffre CCCLVI, p. 120.
[192] ES III 738.
[193] Cluny, Tome IV, 3652, p. 822.
[194] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612, quoting Cartulary of Saint-Pierre de Vienne (no citation reference).
[195] Roman (1886), p. 15,
[196] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.3


; Per Genealogy.EU (Albon 1): “C2. Guigues I Vetus, Cte d'Albon, +as a monk at Cluny 22.4.1075, bur St-Robert; 1m: Adelais N (possibly of Turin); 2m: 10.5.1070 Agnes=Ines of Barcelona, dau.of Raymond-Bérenger I, Count de Barcelone and Almodis de La Marche”.1

; Per Genealogy.EU (Barcelona 10): “B5. [?] Agnes, *ca 1056, +after 1071; m.Dauphine 10.5.1070 Cte Guigues VII d'Albon”.10

; Per Med Lands:
     "INES ([1055/56]-[before 12 Nov 1076]). “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”[385], the date corresponding to the year 1070. Her parentage is confirmed by the publication of the testament of "comitis Barchinone…Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 includes a residuary provision that, in case of the death of his three other children, his counties would revert to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes"[386]. The wording of the testament implies that both Ines and her husband were deceased at the time.
     "m (10 May 1070) as his second wife, GUIGUES [III] "Vétus" Comte d'Albon, son of GUIGUES [II] [d'Albon] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75])."
Med Lands cites:
[385] Roman, J. (1886) Deux Chartes Dauphinoises inédites du XI siècle (Grenoble) (extract from Le Bulletin de l´Académie Delphinale 3e série, T. XX), p. 15,
[386] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.12

; NB: There is no clear agreement regarding this line of descent:


     I. Genealogics says that Guigues II m. once to Fredeburga (same name as his mother), and that they had a son, Guigues who m. twice: m1 Gotelana and m2 Adelsendis. The five-generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
I.1 Guigo [I[ de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----I.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 m. Fredeburga
--------I.3 Guigues [III] m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------I.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075;
m1. Adelais (de Turin);
----------------I.5.1 Guiges II (V) Pinguis, Comte d'Albon d. Aft 19 Jan 1095 m. Petronille
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------I.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. 15 Dec ? m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon


     II. Med Lands has Guigues II m. to Gotelene, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
II.1 Guigues [I] d. 7 Sep/18 Oct] 996 m. [as her first husband,] Fredeburge
----II.2 Guigues II d. 1009 m. Gotelene
--------II.3 Guigues III "Vetus/Vieux" b. 995/1000] - d. 22 Apr 1074/75 m1. Adelsindis (d. 29 Apr 1050); m2. Ines de Barcelona (b. 1055/56 - d. bef 12 Nov 1076)
------------II.4 (by m1) Guigues IV "Pinguis" b. 1025/30 - d. 19 Jan 1106 m. Petronille
----------------II.5 Guiges V b. 1050/70 - d. 21 Dec 1125 m. Regina


     III. Genealogy.EU (Albon 1) says that Guigues [II] m. NN, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
III.1 Guigues, +996; m. Fredeburga N
----III.2 Guigues, +ca 1009; m. NN
--------III.3 Guigues, fl 1034; m1: before 18.10.1013 Gotelana de Clérieu; m2: Adelsindis N; both kids by 1m
------------III.4 Guigues I Vetus, Cte d'Albon, +22.4.1075;
m1: Adelais N;
----------------III.5.1 Guigues II "Pinguis" d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Sire de Vion, b. ca 1025, d. aft 1095 m. m.27.4.1050: Pétronille/Adélais de Royans
m2: 10.5.1070 Agnes=Ines of Barcelona
----------------III.5.2 Guigues dit Raymond, Count d'Albon, b. 1071-75, d. aft 1096; m. ca 1091 Ita-Raymondis


IV. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #1 (House of Albon) the following descent (images of the descent from the Wikipédia (Fr.) article are attached):
IV.1 Guigues le Vieux († 996), seigneur de Vion m. Fredeburge
----IV.2 Guigues († 1009), seigneur de Vion (no spouse shown)
--------IV.3 Guigues, vivant en 1034, seigneur de Vion m. Gotelana de Clerieux [NB This descent differs from Genealogics and Genealogy.EU in the wives of generations 3,4 and 5.]
------------IV.4 Guigues 1er le Vieux d. 1070, comte d'Albon m. Adelsinde epse Adélaïde de Savoie
----------------IV.5 Guigues II († 1079), comte d'Albon; m1. 1050 Pétronille de Royans; m2. 1070 Inès (ou Agnès) de Barcelone


V. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #2 (Counts of Albon) has a list of the Albon Dynasty that starts with Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene and who seems to equate with II.2=III.3, giving the following descent:
V.1 Not shown
----V.2 Not shown
--------V.3 Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene
------------V.4 Guigues 1er b. ca 1000 - d. 22 Apr 1060/1075; m. Adalsendis or Adelaïde
----------------V.5 Guigues II "le Gras/Pinguis" b. ca 1025 - d. ca 1079; m. Pétronille (de Royans ?)


VI. Hélène et Thierry outline (in French) various theories concerning the origin of the Seigneurs de Vion and the Comtes d'Albon who descended from them. An image of a chart from their website is attached which summarizes the lineage proposed by Pierre Yves Laffont [2009]. Châteaux du Vivarais. Pouvoirs et peuplement en France méridionale du haut Moyen Âge au XIIIe siècle (p. 121). The descent discussed by Hélène et Thierry starts five generations before Guigues/Guigo [I] with a series of Rostaings (I, II & III) and two Guigues prior to Guigues/Guigo [I]. Starting from Guigues/Guigo [I], the lineage gives the following descent:
VI.1 Guigues b. ca 950 d. 996; m. Frédéburge
----VI.2 Guigues b. ca 980 d. ca 1006; m. Gotelinde de Clérieu
--------VI.3 Guigues b. ca 995 d. aft 1060 m. Adélaïde
------------VI.4 Guigues "le Gras" b. ca 1030 d. aft 1096;
m1. Pétronille de Royans
----------------VI.5.1 Guigues m. Mahaud (Mathidle)
m2. Agnès de Barcelone
----------------VI.5.2 Guigues Raymond m. Ita Raymondis


Conclusion: Assuming that first generations in these five sources are the same person, one of the most obvious differences between the six descents, is that the Med Lands descent (#I) seems to be missing one generation which would be equivalent to I.3 = III.3 = IV.3 = V.3 = VI.3. The descent described by Hélène and Thierry (#VI) has some differences from the other lines (sometimes in the name of a spouse), but is supported by the best documentation. Based on what I have seen in these six sources, I (GAV) have settled on the following five-generation descent:
GAV.1 Guigo [I] de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----GAV.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 (no known spouse)
--------GAV.3 Guigues [III] liv. 1034 m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------GAV.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075
m1. Adelais (de Turin)
----------------GAV.5.1 Guigues IV [V] "Pinguls" b. 1025/30 m. Petronille de Royans
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------GAV.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. aft 1096 m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon
I have, however, included much of the relevant information from all five sources on specific individuals. Hélène et Thierry have a good discussion of the history of this line, as well as an analysis of various sources and theories. Ateliers des Dauphins has a more readable series of accounts of six generations (but, unfortunately, without citing sources). GA Vaut.13,14,1,15,16,17,18,19

Family 2

Inez/Agnes/Inès (?) of Barcelona b. bt 1055 - 1056, d. a 1094
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues I Vetus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048720&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIdied1075B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048715&tree=LEO
  5. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gotelena de Clerieux: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048716&tree=LEO
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guigues Ier d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guigues_Ier_d%27Albon
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais (de Turin): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048721&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048732&tree=LEO
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Barcelona 10: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/barcelona/barcelona10.html
  11. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guigues_I_of_Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CATALAN%20NOBILITY.htm#InesMGuiguesIAlbon
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048714&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #1 - Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon
  16. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #2 - Liste des comtes d'Albon puis dauphins de Viennois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_d%27Albon_puis_dauphins_de_Viennois
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  18. [S4793] Ateliers des Dauphins: Patrimoine du Haut-Grésivaudan, online <http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/index.htm>, Les premiers Guigues (996-1070) and following pages: http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/histo/guigues1.htm. Hereinafter cited as Ateliers des Dauphins.
  19. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 2 Sept 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues II Pinguis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048722&tree=LEO
  21. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIVdied1106B
  22. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues dit Raimond d'Albon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048736&tree=LEO
  23. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesRaymonddiedafter1096

Inez/Agnes/Inès (?) of Barcelona1,2,3,4

F, #57128, b. between 1055 and 1056, d. after 1094
FatherRamon Berenguer I "el Viejo" (?) conde de Barcelona1,5,2,3 b. 1023, d. 26 May 1076
MotherAlmodis de La Marche1,6,7,2,3 b. c 1010, d. 10 Oct 1071
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Inez/Agnes/Inès (?) of Barcelona was born between 1055 and 1056.3,8 She married Guigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon, son of Guigues [III] de Vion Sire de Vion and Gotelana/Gotheline de Clérieu, on 10 May 1070
;
His 2nd wife.1,9,2,10,8
Inez/Agnes/Inès (?) of Barcelona died after 1094; Genealogics says d. aft 1094; Med Lands says d. bef 12 Nov 1076; Genealogy.EU (Barcelona 10) says d. aft 1071.2,3
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux", son of GUIGUES [II] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75]). "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[177]. His birth date range, estimated consistent with the birth date ranges which are estimated for the other members of this family, means that Guigues was probably still a child at the date of this charter. "…Wigonis et Umberti filiorum fratris eius…" signed the charter dated 1012 under which "Umbertus Grationopolensis ecclesiæ præsul" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[178]. Comte d’Albon. "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated "ecclesiam de Visilia" to Cluny by undated charter, subscribed by "Wigonis filii sui, Ainardi de Domena, duobus de fratribus suis Attanulfi Wigonis, Bermundi de Aurel, Humberti nepotis sui"[179]. This charter is dated to [1090] in the compilation of Cluny charters. The document refers to Hugues abbot of Cluny, who is named in documents between 1048 and 1090. If [1090] is the correct date, it would have been signed towards the end of the lives of all three of the Domène brothers who subscribed the document: they are named in charters for Domène between [1027] and [1085][180]. It is therefore possible that the document dates from earlier in the abbacy of Hugues, in which case the donor could be Guigues [III] "Vetus". If this was correct, it would also resolve the problem of the identity of Gotelene. Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné suggests that "Gotelenne" was a corruption derived from the word "Catalonia" and therefore that this charter refers to Guigues [III]’s son by Ines de Barcelona[181]. This seems an unlikely explanation as the name "Catalonia" has not been observed in contemporary charters to describe Barcelona and adjacent counties collectively (see the document CATALONIA). A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[182]. "…Guigo comes et filius eius Guigo…" witnessed the charter dated 27 Jan 1052 which records an agreement between the archbishop of Vienne and the canons of the church of Romans[183]. "Vuigo comes" donated property "in parrochia Heroneii" to Domène by undated charter which names "dominus Hugo Prior de Domina" (whose priorship is dated to [1058] to [1072], indicating that the donor was Guigues [III] "Vetus")[184]. "Guigo comes qui nomine vocor senex atque filius meus Guigo pinguis" donated property to Oulx by charter dated 1063[185]. “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”, subscribed by “Pontii episcopi”[186], the date corresponding to the year 1070. He became a monk at Cluny. The necrology of the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Wigo comes"[187]. The necrology of the priory of Saint-Robert records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Guigo comes qui cognominatus est Vetus"[188]. No document has yet been found which identifies the year of his death. However, considering the date of his second marriage, and the birth of his son by his second wife, it is likely that he died in [1074/75]. He was dead by 12 Nov 1076, the date of the testament of his father-in-law Ramon Berenguer Comte de Barcelona which provides for the reversion of the testator’s county to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes" in case of extinction of his descendants in the male line[189]. This wording implies that both Ines and Guigues were deceased at the time. Prudhomme distinguishes two individuals in place of "Guigues [III]"[190]. He states that the older Guigues died in 1034, married "Gotelenne", and that his son was the second person, Guigues "Vetus". He cites no primary source in support of his theory, in particular no document which indicates that one of the counts Guigues died in 1034. The division of this person into two seems unnecessary to explain the primary sources. The family relationships shown in this document leave no primary source reference unexplained. In any case, it seems appropriate that Guigues "Vetus" should be identified with Guigues [III] as he would have well merited his nickname, assuming that his birth date is correctly estimated as shown above.
     "m firstly ADELSINDIS, daughter of --- (-after 29 Apr 1050). "Malleni episcopi Gratianopolitani et Wigonis comitis et uxoris eius Adelsendis, filiorumque suorum Umberti et Wigonis" signed a charter dated 26 Aug 1035 relating to the donation of four churches in Vico to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[191]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[192], the first wife of Guigues [III] was "Gotelana de Clérieux". It appears that this hypothesis must be based on the charter dated [1090] under which "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated property to Cluny[193]. However, as noted above, a better interpretation of the documentation is that "Gotelenne" was the mother of Guigues [III] not his wife. A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[194].
     "m secondly (10 May 1070) INES de Barcelona, daughter of RAMON BERENGUER I "el Viejo" Comte de Barcelona & his third wife Almodis de la Marche ([1055/56]-[before 12 Nov 1076]). “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”, subscribed by “Pontii episcopi”[195], the date corresponding to the year 1070. Her parentage is confirmed by the publication of the testament of "comitis Barchinone…Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 includes a residuary provision that, in case of the death of his three other children, his counties would revert to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes"[196]. The wording of the testament implies that both Ines and her husband were deceased at the time."
Med Lands cites:
[177] MGH, Die Urkunden der Burgundischen Rudolfinger (1977), 93, p. 246.
[178] Saint-Chaffre CCCLV, p. 118.
[179] Cluny, Tome IV, 3652, p. 822.
[180] Domène, pp. xxxiv-xxxv.
[181] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612.
[182] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612, quoting Cartulary of Saint-Pierre de Vienne (no citation reference).
[183] Romans (1856), 4, p. 8.
[184] Domène, 9, p. 12, list of priors, Introduction, p. xv.
[185] Oulx, XVIII, p. 18.
[186] Roman (1886), p. 15,
[187] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Saint-Martin-des-Champs, p. 435.
[188] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 613, quoting necrology of priory of Saint-Robert, auprès de Grenoble (no citation reference).
[189] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.
[190] Prudhomme (1888), p. 69
[191] Saint-Chaffre CCCLVI, p. 120.
[192] ES III 738.
[193] Cluny, Tome IV, 3652, p. 822.
[194] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612, quoting Cartulary of Saint-Pierre de Vienne (no citation reference).
[195] Roman (1886), p. 15,
[196] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.10

; Per Genealogy.EU (Albon 1): “C2. Guigues I Vetus, Cte d'Albon, +as a monk at Cluny 22.4.1075, bur St-Robert; 1m: Adelais N (possibly of Turin); 2m: 10.5.1070 Agnes=Ines of Barcelona, dau.of Raymond-Bérenger I, Count de Barcelone and Almodis de La Marche”.1

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 2:69.2

; Per Genealogy.EU (Barcelona 10): “B5. [?] Agnes, *ca 1056, +after 1071; m.Dauphine 10.5.1070 Cte Guigues VII d'Albon”.8

; Per Med Lands:
     "INES ([1055/56]-[before 12 Nov 1076]). “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”[385], the date corresponding to the year 1070. Her parentage is confirmed by the publication of the testament of "comitis Barchinone…Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 includes a residuary provision that, in case of the death of his three other children, his counties would revert to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes"[386]. The wording of the testament implies that both Ines and her husband were deceased at the time.
     "m (10 May 1070) as his second wife, GUIGUES [III] "Vétus" Comte d'Albon, son of GUIGUES [II] [d'Albon] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75])."
Med Lands cites:
[385] Roman, J. (1886) Deux Chartes Dauphinoises inédites du XI siècle (Grenoble) (extract from Le Bulletin de l´Académie Delphinale 3e série, T. XX), p. 15,
[386] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.3

; NB: There is no clear agreement regarding this line of descent:


     I. Genealogics says that Guigues II m. once to Fredeburga (same name as his mother), and that they had a son, Guigues who m. twice: m1 Gotelana and m2 Adelsendis. The five-generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
I.1 Guigo [I[ de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----I.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 m. Fredeburga
--------I.3 Guigues [III] m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------I.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075;
m1. Adelais (de Turin);
----------------I.5.1 Guiges II (V) Pinguis, Comte d'Albon d. Aft 19 Jan 1095 m. Petronille
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------I.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. 15 Dec ? m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon


     II. Med Lands has Guigues II m. to Gotelene, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
II.1 Guigues [I] d. 7 Sep/18 Oct] 996 m. [as her first husband,] Fredeburge
----II.2 Guigues II d. 1009 m. Gotelene
--------II.3 Guigues III "Vetus/Vieux" b. 995/1000] - d. 22 Apr 1074/75 m1. Adelsindis (d. 29 Apr 1050); m2. Ines de Barcelona (b. 1055/56 - d. bef 12 Nov 1076)
------------II.4 (by m1) Guigues IV "Pinguis" b. 1025/30 - d. 19 Jan 1106 m. Petronille
----------------II.5 Guiges V b. 1050/70 - d. 21 Dec 1125 m. Regina


     III. Genealogy.EU (Albon 1) says that Guigues [II] m. NN, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
III.1 Guigues, +996; m. Fredeburga N
----III.2 Guigues, +ca 1009; m. NN
--------III.3 Guigues, fl 1034; m1: before 18.10.1013 Gotelana de Clérieu; m2: Adelsindis N; both kids by 1m
------------III.4 Guigues I Vetus, Cte d'Albon, +22.4.1075;
m1: Adelais N;
----------------III.5.1 Guigues II "Pinguis" d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Sire de Vion, b. ca 1025, d. aft 1095 m. m.27.4.1050: Pétronille/Adélais de Royans
m2: 10.5.1070 Agnes=Ines of Barcelona
----------------III.5.2 Guigues dit Raymond, Count d'Albon, b. 1071-75, d. aft 1096; m. ca 1091 Ita-Raymondis


IV. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #1 (House of Albon) the following descent (images of the descent from the Wikipédia (Fr.) article are attached):
IV.1 Guigues le Vieux († 996), seigneur de Vion m. Fredeburge
----IV.2 Guigues († 1009), seigneur de Vion (no spouse shown)
--------IV.3 Guigues, vivant en 1034, seigneur de Vion m. Gotelana de Clerieux [NB This descent differs from Genealogics and Genealogy.EU in the wives of generations 3,4 and 5.]
------------IV.4 Guigues 1er le Vieux d. 1070, comte d'Albon m. Adelsinde epse Adélaïde de Savoie
----------------IV.5 Guigues II († 1079), comte d'Albon; m1. 1050 Pétronille de Royans; m2. 1070 Inès (ou Agnès) de Barcelone


V. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #2 (Counts of Albon) has a list of the Albon Dynasty that starts with Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene and who seems to equate with II.2=III.3, giving the following descent:
V.1 Not shown
----V.2 Not shown
--------V.3 Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene
------------V.4 Guigues 1er b. ca 1000 - d. 22 Apr 1060/1075; m. Adalsendis or Adelaïde
----------------V.5 Guigues II "le Gras/Pinguis" b. ca 1025 - d. ca 1079; m. Pétronille (de Royans ?)


VI. Hélène et Thierry outline (in French) various theories concerning the origin of the Seigneurs de Vion and the Comtes d'Albon who descended from them. An image of a chart from their website is attached which summarizes the lineage proposed by Pierre Yves Laffont [2009]. Châteaux du Vivarais. Pouvoirs et peuplement en France méridionale du haut Moyen Âge au XIIIe siècle (p. 121). The descent discussed by Hélène et Thierry starts five generations before Guigues/Guigo [I] with a series of Rostaings (I, II & III) and two Guigues prior to Guigues/Guigo [I]. Starting from Guigues/Guigo [I], the lineage gives the following descent:
VI.1 Guigues b. ca 950 d. 996; m. Frédéburge
----VI.2 Guigues b. ca 980 d. ca 1006; m. Gotelinde de Clérieu
--------VI.3 Guigues b. ca 995 d. aft 1060 m. Adélaïde
------------VI.4 Guigues "le Gras" b. ca 1030 d. aft 1096;
m1. Pétronille de Royans
----------------VI.5.1 Guigues m. Mahaud (Mathidle)
m2. Agnès de Barcelone
----------------VI.5.2 Guigues Raymond m. Ita Raymondis


Conclusion: Assuming that first generations in these five sources are the same person, one of the most obvious differences between the six descents, is that the Med Lands descent (#I) seems to be missing one generation which would be equivalent to I.3 = III.3 = IV.3 = V.3 = VI.3. The descent described by Hélène and Thierry (#VI) has some differences from the other lines (sometimes in the name of a spouse), but is supported by the best documentation. Based on what I have seen in these six sources, I (GAV) have settled on the following five-generation descent:
GAV.1 Guigo [I] de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----GAV.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 (no known spouse)
--------GAV.3 Guigues [III] liv. 1034 m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------GAV.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075
m1. Adelais (de Turin)
----------------GAV.5.1 Guigues IV [V] "Pinguls" b. 1025/30 m. Petronille de Royans
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------GAV.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. aft 1096 m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon
I have, however, included much of the relevant information from all five sources on specific individuals. Hélène et Thierry have a good discussion of the history of this line, as well as an analysis of various sources and theories. Ateliers des Dauphins has a more readable series of accounts of six generations (but, unfortunately, without citing sources). GA Vaut.11,12,1,13,14,15,16,17

Family

Guigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon b. bt 995 - 1000, d. 22 Apr 1075
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048732&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CATALAN%20NOBILITY.htm#InesMGuiguesIAlbon. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ramon Berenguer I 'el Viejo': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029089&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rangarde de La Marche: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140023&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Almodis de La Marche: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106196&tree=LEO
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Barcelona 10: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/barcelona/barcelona10.html
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues I Vetus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048720&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIdied1075B
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048714&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779
  13. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #1 - Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon
  14. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #2 - Liste des comtes d'Albon puis dauphins de Viennois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_d%27Albon_puis_dauphins_de_Viennois
  15. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Les comtes d'Albon ont-ils des ancêtres?: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/124. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  16. [S4793] Ateliers des Dauphins: Patrimoine du Haut-Grésivaudan, online <http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/index.htm>, Les premiers Guigues (996-1070) and following pages: http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/histo/guigues1.htm. Hereinafter cited as Ateliers des Dauphins.
  17. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 2 Sept 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues dit Raimond d'Albon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048736&tree=LEO
  19. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesRaymonddiedafter1096

Adelais (?) de Turin1,2

F, #57129
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Adelais (?) de Turin married Guigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon, son of Guigues [III] de Vion Sire de Vion and Gotelana/Gotheline de Clérieu,
;
His 1st wife.1,3,2
      ; Per Genealogy.EU (Albon 1): “C2. Guigues I Vetus, Cte d'Albon, +as a monk at Cluny 22.4.1075, bur St-Robert; 1m: Adelais N (possibly of Turin); 2m: 10.5.1070 Agnes=Ines of Barcelona, dau.of Raymond-Bérenger I, Count de Barcelone and Almodis de La Marche”.1

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/4 738.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 177.2
GAV-26.

; Adelais N (possibly of Turin).1
; NB: There is no clear agreement regarding this line of descent:


     I. Genealogics says that Guigues II m. once to Fredeburga (same name as his mother), and that they had a son, Guigues who m. twice: m1 Gotelana and m2 Adelsendis. The five-generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
I.1 Guigo [I[ de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----I.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 m. Fredeburga
--------I.3 Guigues [III] m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------I.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075;
m1. Adelais (de Turin);
----------------I.5.1 Guiges II (V) Pinguis, Comte d'Albon d. Aft 19 Jan 1095 m. Petronille
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------I.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. 15 Dec ? m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon


     II. Med Lands has Guigues II m. to Gotelene, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
II.1 Guigues [I] d. 7 Sep/18 Oct] 996 m. [as her first husband,] Fredeburge
----II.2 Guigues II d. 1009 m. Gotelene
--------II.3 Guigues III "Vetus/Vieux" b. 995/1000] - d. 22 Apr 1074/75 m1. Adelsindis (d. 29 Apr 1050); m2. Ines de Barcelona (b. 1055/56 - d. bef 12 Nov 1076)
------------II.4 (by m1) Guigues IV "Pinguis" b. 1025/30 - d. 19 Jan 1106 m. Petronille
----------------II.5 Guiges V b. 1050/70 - d. 21 Dec 1125 m. Regina


     III. Genealogy.EU (Albon 1) says that Guigues [II] m. NN, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
III.1 Guigues, +996; m. Fredeburga N
----III.2 Guigues, +ca 1009; m. NN
--------III.3 Guigues, fl 1034; m1: before 18.10.1013 Gotelana de Clérieu; m2: Adelsindis N; both kids by 1m
------------III.4 Guigues I Vetus, Cte d'Albon, +22.4.1075;
m1: Adelais N;
----------------III.5.1 Guigues II "Pinguis" d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Sire de Vion, b. ca 1025, d. aft 1095 m. m.27.4.1050: Pétronille/Adélais de Royans
m2: 10.5.1070 Agnes=Ines of Barcelona
----------------III.5.2 Guigues dit Raymond, Count d'Albon, b. 1071-75, d. aft 1096; m. ca 1091 Ita-Raymondis


IV. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #1 (House of Albon) the following descent (images of the descent from the Wikipédia (Fr.) article are attached):
IV.1 Guigues le Vieux († 996), seigneur de Vion m. Fredeburge
----IV.2 Guigues († 1009), seigneur de Vion (no spouse shown)
--------IV.3 Guigues, vivant en 1034, seigneur de Vion m. Gotelana de Clerieux [NB This descent differs from Genealogics and Genealogy.EU in the wives of generations 3,4 and 5.]
------------IV.4 Guigues 1er le Vieux d. 1070, comte d'Albon m. Adelsinde epse Adélaïde de Savoie
----------------IV.5 Guigues II († 1079), comte d'Albon; m1. 1050 Pétronille de Royans; m2. 1070 Inès (ou Agnès) de Barcelone


V. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #2 (Counts of Albon) has a list of the Albon Dynasty that starts with Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene and who seems to equate with II.2=III.3, giving the following descent:
V.1 Not shown
----V.2 Not shown
--------V.3 Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene
------------V.4 Guigues 1er b. ca 1000 - d. 22 Apr 1060/1075; m. Adalsendis or Adelaïde
----------------V.5 Guigues II "le Gras/Pinguis" b. ca 1025 - d. ca 1079; m. Pétronille (de Royans ?)


VI. Hélène et Thierry outline (in French) various theories concerning the origin of the Seigneurs de Vion and the Comtes d'Albon who descended from them. An image of a chart from their website is attached which summarizes the lineage proposed by Pierre Yves Laffont [2009]. Châteaux du Vivarais. Pouvoirs et peuplement en France méridionale du haut Moyen Âge au XIIIe siècle (p. 121). The descent discussed by Hélène et Thierry starts five generations before Guigues/Guigo [I] with a series of Rostaings (I, II & III) and two Guigues prior to Guigues/Guigo [I]. Starting from Guigues/Guigo [I], the lineage gives the following descent:
VI.1 Guigues b. ca 950 d. 996; m. Frédéburge
----VI.2 Guigues b. ca 980 d. ca 1006; m. Gotelinde de Clérieu
--------VI.3 Guigues b. ca 995 d. aft 1060 m. Adélaïde
------------VI.4 Guigues "le Gras" b. ca 1030 d. aft 1096;
m1. Pétronille de Royans
----------------VI.5.1 Guigues m. Mahaud (Mathidle)
m2. Agnès de Barcelone
----------------VI.5.2 Guigues Raymond m. Ita Raymondis


Conclusion: Assuming that first generations in these five sources are the same person, one of the most obvious differences between the six descents, is that the Med Lands descent (#I) seems to be missing one generation which would be equivalent to I.3 = III.3 = IV.3 = V.3 = VI.3. The descent described by Hélène and Thierry (#VI) has some differences from the other lines (sometimes in the name of a spouse), but is supported by the best documentation. Based on what I have seen in these six sources, I (GAV) have settled on the following five-generation descent:
GAV.1 Guigo [I] de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----GAV.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 (no known spouse)
--------GAV.3 Guigues [III] liv. 1034 m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------GAV.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075
m1. Adelais (de Turin)
----------------GAV.5.1 Guigues IV [V] "Pinguls" b. 1025/30 m. Petronille de Royans
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------GAV.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. aft 1096 m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon
I have, however, included much of the relevant information from all five sources on specific individuals. Hélène et Thierry have a good discussion of the history of this line, as well as an analysis of various sources and theories. Ateliers des Dauphins has a more readable series of accounts of six generations (but, unfortunately, without citing sources). GA Vaut.4,5,1,6,7,8,9,10

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais (de Turin): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048721&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues I Vetus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048720&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048714&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #1 - Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #2 - Liste des comtes d'Albon puis dauphins de Viennois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_d%27Albon_puis_dauphins_de_Viennois
  8. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Les comtes d'Albon ont-ils des ancêtres?: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/124. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  9. [S4793] Ateliers des Dauphins: Patrimoine du Haut-Grésivaudan, online <http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/index.htm>, Les premiers Guigues (996-1070) and following pages: http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/histo/guigues1.htm. Hereinafter cited as Ateliers des Dauphins.
  10. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 2 Sept 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues II Pinguis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048722&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIdied1075B
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIVdied1106B

Lambert "le Juge" (?) vicomte de Reillane et de Vence1

M, #57131
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited13 Aug 2020
     Lambert "le Juge" (?) vicomte de Reillane et de Vence married Odile (?) in 953.

     GAV-28.

Citations

  1. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/YzUpz3CDrCM/zTYWP3a3pRkJ;context-place=forum/soc.genealogy.medieval) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  2. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/YzUpz3CDrCM/zTYWP3a3pRkJ;context-place=forum/soc.genealogy.medieval.

Guigues/Guigo [I] "le Vieux" de Vion Seigneur de Vion1,2,3,4

M, #57132, d. between 7 September 996 and 18 October 996
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited2 Sep 2020
     Guigues/Guigo [I] "le Vieux" de Vion Seigneur de Vion married Fredeburga (?), daughter of Richard (?) de Vienne,
;
Her 1st husband.1,2,3,5,4
Guigues/Guigo [I] "le Vieux" de Vion Seigneur de Vion died between 7 September 996 and 18 October 996.1,2,3,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III/4 738.6

; NB: There is no clear agreement regarding this line of descent:


     I. Genealogics says that Guigues II m. once to Fredeburga (same name as his mother), and that they had a son, Guigues who m. twice: m1 Gotelana and m2 Adelsendis. The five-generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
I.1 Guigo [I[ de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----I.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 m. Fredeburga
--------I.3 Guigues [III] m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------I.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075;
m1. Adelais (de Turin);
----------------I.5.1 Guiges II (V) Pinguis, Comte d'Albon d. Aft 19 Jan 1095 m. Petronille
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------I.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. 15 Dec ? m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon


     II. Med Lands has Guigues II m. to Gotelene, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
II.1 Guigues [I] d. 7 Sep/18 Oct] 996 m. [as her first husband,] Fredeburge
----II.2 Guigues II d. 1009 m. Gotelene
--------II.3 Guigues III "Vetus/Vieux" b. 995/1000] - d. 22 Apr 1074/75 m1. Adelsindis (d. 29 Apr 1050); m2. Ines de Barcelona (b. 1055/56 - d. bef 12 Nov 1076)
------------II.4 (by m1) Guigues IV "Pinguis" b. 1025/30 - d. 19 Jan 1106 m. Petronille
----------------II.5 Guiges V b. 1050/70 - d. 21 Dec 1125 m. Regina


     III. Genealogy.EU (Albon 1) says that Guigues [II] m. NN, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
III.1 Guigues, +996; m. Fredeburga N
----III.2 Guigues, +ca 1009; m. NN
--------III.3 Guigues, fl 1034; m1: before 18.10.1013 Gotelana de Clérieu; m2: Adelsindis N; both kids by 1m
------------III.4 Guigues I Vetus, Cte d'Albon, +22.4.1075;
m1: Adelais N;
----------------III.5.1 Guigues II "Pinguis" d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Sire de Vion, b. ca 1025, d. aft 1095 m. m.27.4.1050: Pétronille/Adélais de Royans
m2: 10.5.1070 Agnes=Ines of Barcelona
----------------III.5.2 Guigues dit Raymond, Count d'Albon, b. 1071-75, d. aft 1096; m. ca 1091 Ita-Raymondis


IV. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #1 (House of Albon) the following descent (images of the descent from the Wikipédia (Fr.) article are attached):
IV.1 Guigues le Vieux († 996), seigneur de Vion m. Fredeburge
----IV.2 Guigues († 1009), seigneur de Vion (no spouse shown)
--------IV.3 Guigues, vivant en 1034, seigneur de Vion m. Gotelana de Clerieux [NB This descent differs from Genealogics and Genealogy.EU in the wives of generations 3,4 and 5.]
------------IV.4 Guigues 1er le Vieux d. 1070, comte d'Albon m. Adelsinde epse Adélaïde de Savoie
----------------IV.5 Guigues II († 1079), comte d'Albon; m1. 1050 Pétronille de Royans; m2. 1070 Inès (ou Agnès) de Barcelone


V. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #2 (Counts of Albon) has a list of the Albon Dynasty that starts with Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene and who seems to equate with II.2=III.3, giving the following descent:
V.1 Not shown
----V.2 Not shown
--------V.3 Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene
------------V.4 Guigues 1er b. ca 1000 - d. 22 Apr 1060/1075; m. Adalsendis or Adelaïde
----------------V.5 Guigues II "le Gras/Pinguis" b. ca 1025 - d. ca 1079; m. Pétronille (de Royans ?)


VI. Hélène et Thierry outline (in French) various theories concerning the origin of the Seigneurs de Vion and the Comtes d'Albon who descended from them. An image of a chart from their website is attached which summarizes the lineage proposed by Pierre Yves Laffont [2009]. Châteaux du Vivarais. Pouvoirs et peuplement en France méridionale du haut Moyen Âge au XIIIe siècle (p. 121). The descent discussed by Hélène et Thierry starts five generations before Guigues/Guigo [I] with a series of Rostaings (I, II & III) and two Guigues prior to Guigues/Guigo [I]. Starting from Guigues/Guigo [I], the lineage gives the following descent:
VI.1 Guigues b. ca 950 d. 996; m. Frédéburge
----VI.2 Guigues b. ca 980 d. ca 1006; m. Gotelinde de Clérieu
--------VI.3 Guigues b. ca 995 d. aft 1060 m. Adélaïde
------------VI.4 Guigues "le Gras" b. ca 1030 d. aft 1096;
m1. Pétronille de Royans
----------------VI.5.1 Guigues m. Mahaud (Mathidle)
m2. Agnès de Barcelone
----------------VI.5.2 Guigues Raymond m. Ita Raymondis


Conclusion: Assuming that first generations in these five sources are the same person, one of the most obvious differences between the six descents, is that the Med Lands descent (#I) seems to be missing one generation which would be equivalent to I.3 = III.3 = IV.3 = V.3 = VI.3. The descent described by Hélène and Thierry (#VI) has some differences from the other lines (sometimes in the name of a spouse), but is supported by the best documentation. Based on what I have seen in these six sources, I (GAV) have settled on the following five-generation descent:
GAV.1 Guigo [I] de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----GAV.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 (no known spouse)
--------GAV.3 Guigues [III] liv. 1034 m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------GAV.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075
m1. Adelais (de Turin)
----------------GAV.5.1 Guigues IV [V] "Pinguls" b. 1025/30 m. Petronille de Royans
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------GAV.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. aft 1096 m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon
I have, however, included much of the relevant information from all five sources on specific individuals. Hélène et Thierry have a good discussion of the history of this line, as well as an analysis of various sources and theories. Ateliers des Dauphins has a more readable series of accounts of six generations (but, unfortunately, without citing sources). GA Vaut.6,3,1,7,8,9,10,11

; Per Genealogy.EU (Albon 1): “Guigues, +996; m.Fredeburga N”.1 GAV-29.

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUIGUES [I], son of --- (-[7 Sep/18 Oct] 996). "Barnuinus et uxor mea…Teutberge" donated property "in villa Vitrosco" to Saint-André de Bas, Vienne, for the souls of "senioris nostri domini Vigoni domneque Fredeburge", by charter dated "regnante domno Rodulfo rege" (dated to [1012/23] in the compilation, but presumably better dated to [993/96])[145]. "Wigo et uxor mea Fredeburga" donated property "in comitatu Viennensi in agro Cassiacensi in villa…Vernio" by charter dated Sep [996], subscribed by "Umberti episcopi, Richardi, Vagoni, Bosoni, Adraldi"[146].
     "m [as her first husband,] FREDEBURGE, sister of GEOFFROY, daughter of --- ([960/65]-after 1012). "Barnuinus et uxor mea…Teutberge" donated property "in villa Vitrosco" to Saint-André de Bas, Vienne, for the souls of "senioris nostri domini Vigoni domneque Fredeburge", by charter dated "regnante domno Rodulfo rege" (dated to [1012/23] in the compilation, but presumably better dated to [993/96])[147]. "Fredeburgis matris eius…" subscribed the charter dated [Sep/Oct] 996 under which "Humbertus episcopus Gratianopolitanensis" donated property to Cluny[148]. "Wigo et uxor mea Fredeburga" donated property "in comitatu Viennensi in agro Cassiacensi in villa…Vernio" by charter dated Sep [996], subscribed by "Umberti episcopi, Richardi, Vagoni, Bosoni, Adraldi"[149]. "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[150]. "Fredeburgæ matris eius…" signed the charter dated 1012 under which "Umbertus Grationopolensis ecclesiæ præsul" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[151]. She was the sister of Geoffroy and sister-in-law of Théobald de Nyon[152]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[153], Fredeburga married secondly "Arnoul de Theys", although the primary source which confirms his family name has not yet been identified. This supposed second marriage is far from certain. It is allegedly confirmed by an undated charter which records that "Arnulfus et uxor mea Frideburga necnon et filius noster Rodulphus" donated property "unum mansum in episcopatu Gratianopolitano in Valle Navis…les Aberges" to Cluny, witnessed by "Vuigonis comitis"[154]. The key to identifying the donor Fredeburge lies in the dating of this charter. As noted elsewhere in the present document, the first member of the family of the comtes d’Albon who is recorded with the comital title was Guigues [III] "Vetus". It is not known when he was awarded the title, but he is not recorded with it in other sources before the mid-10th century. If the witness "Vuigonis comitis" was Guigues [III], which is likely, the donor Fredeburga would have been extremely old if she had been his paternal grandmother. Two other factors point to this supposed second marriage being incorrect. Firstly, it is extremely unlikely that Guigues [III]’s maternal grandmother could have given birth to a son by a second marriage, given the birth date estimated for her son by her [first] husband. Secondly, the charter dated 1012 makes no mention of Fredeburge’s second husband, although it is likely that it predated the undated charter. A more likely explanation is that Fredeburge, who married Arnoul, was an otherwise unrecorded daughter of the older Fredeburge by her marriage to Guigues [I], and that the witness to the charter was her nephew. Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné accepts that Arnoul was the husband of Guigues [I]’s widow, identifying him as Arnoul, son of Rudolf ("Arnoul, fils du comte Rodolphe"), adding that the latter patronised Fredeburge’s children by her first marriage[155]. He cites no primary source on which he bases his statement."
Med Lands cites:
[145] Chartarium Viennensium 67, in Vienne Saint-André-de-Bas, p. 54.
[146] Vienne Saint-André, 37, p. 248.
[147] Chartarium Viennensium 67, in Vienne Saint-André-de-Bas, p. 54.
[148] Cluny, Tome III, 2307, p. 430.
[149] Vienne Saint-André, 37, p. 248.
[150] MGH, Die Urkunden der Burgundischen Rudolfinger (1977), 93, p. 246.
[151] Saint-Chaffre, CCCLV, p. 118.
[152] ES III 738.
[153] ES III 738.
[154] Domène, 27, p. 31. This charter is not listed in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel.
[155] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 611.3

Family

Fredeburga (?) b. bt 960 - 965, d. a 1012
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigo de Vion: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048711&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Fredeburga: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048712&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048714&tree=LEO
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #1 - Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon
  8. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #2 - Liste des comtes d'Albon puis dauphins de Viennois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_d%27Albon_puis_dauphins_de_Viennois
  9. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Les comtes d'Albon ont-ils des ancêtres?: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/124. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  10. [S4793] Ateliers des Dauphins: Patrimoine du Haut-Grésivaudan, online <http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/index.htm>, Les premiers Guigues (996-1070) and following pages: http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/histo/guigues1.htm. Hereinafter cited as Ateliers des Dauphins.
  11. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 2 Sept 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Fredeburga (?)1,2,3

F, #57133, b. between 960 and 965, d. after 1012
FatherRichard (?) de Vienne4,5 d. a Jan 962
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Fredeburga (?) married Guigues/Guigo [I] "le Vieux" de Vion Seigneur de Vion
;
Her 1st husband.1,6,7,2,3 Fredeburga (?) was born between 960 and 965.7
Fredeburga (?) died after 1012.7 She married Arnoud de Theys before 27 February 1016
;
Her 2nd husband.8,9
     ; NB: There is no clear agreement regarding this line of descent:


     I. Genealogics says that Guigues II m. once to Fredeburga (same name as his mother), and that they had a son, Guigues who m. twice: m1 Gotelana and m2 Adelsendis. The five-generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
I.1 Guigo [I[ de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----I.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 m. Fredeburga
--------I.3 Guigues [III] m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------I.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075;
m1. Adelais (de Turin);
----------------I.5.1 Guiges II (V) Pinguis, Comte d'Albon d. Aft 19 Jan 1095 m. Petronille
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------I.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. 15 Dec ? m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon


     II. Med Lands has Guigues II m. to Gotelene, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
II.1 Guigues [I] d. 7 Sep/18 Oct] 996 m. [as her first husband,] Fredeburge
----II.2 Guigues II d. 1009 m. Gotelene
--------II.3 Guigues III "Vetus/Vieux" b. 995/1000] - d. 22 Apr 1074/75 m1. Adelsindis (d. 29 Apr 1050); m2. Ines de Barcelona (b. 1055/56 - d. bef 12 Nov 1076)
------------II.4 (by m1) Guigues IV "Pinguis" b. 1025/30 - d. 19 Jan 1106 m. Petronille
----------------II.5 Guiges V b. 1050/70 - d. 21 Dec 1125 m. Regina


     III. Genealogy.EU (Albon 1) says that Guigues [II] m. NN, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
III.1 Guigues, +996; m. Fredeburga N
----III.2 Guigues, +ca 1009; m. NN
--------III.3 Guigues, fl 1034; m1: before 18.10.1013 Gotelana de Clérieu; m2: Adelsindis N; both kids by 1m
------------III.4 Guigues I Vetus, Cte d'Albon, +22.4.1075;
m1: Adelais N;
----------------III.5.1 Guigues II "Pinguis" d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Sire de Vion, b. ca 1025, d. aft 1095 m. m.27.4.1050: Pétronille/Adélais de Royans
m2: 10.5.1070 Agnes=Ines of Barcelona
----------------III.5.2 Guigues dit Raymond, Count d'Albon, b. 1071-75, d. aft 1096; m. ca 1091 Ita-Raymondis


IV. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #1 (House of Albon) the following descent (images of the descent from the Wikipédia (Fr.) article are attached):
IV.1 Guigues le Vieux († 996), seigneur de Vion m. Fredeburge
----IV.2 Guigues († 1009), seigneur de Vion (no spouse shown)
--------IV.3 Guigues, vivant en 1034, seigneur de Vion m. Gotelana de Clerieux [NB This descent differs from Genealogics and Genealogy.EU in the wives of generations 3,4 and 5.]
------------IV.4 Guigues 1er le Vieux d. 1070, comte d'Albon m. Adelsinde epse Adélaïde de Savoie
----------------IV.5 Guigues II († 1079), comte d'Albon; m1. 1050 Pétronille de Royans; m2. 1070 Inès (ou Agnès) de Barcelone


V. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #2 (Counts of Albon) has a list of the Albon Dynasty that starts with Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene and who seems to equate with II.2=III.3, giving the following descent:
V.1 Not shown
----V.2 Not shown
--------V.3 Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene
------------V.4 Guigues 1er b. ca 1000 - d. 22 Apr 1060/1075; m. Adalsendis or Adelaïde
----------------V.5 Guigues II "le Gras/Pinguis" b. ca 1025 - d. ca 1079; m. Pétronille (de Royans ?)


VI. Hélène et Thierry outline (in French) various theories concerning the origin of the Seigneurs de Vion and the Comtes d'Albon who descended from them. An image of a chart from their website is attached which summarizes the lineage proposed by Pierre Yves Laffont [2009]. Châteaux du Vivarais. Pouvoirs et peuplement en France méridionale du haut Moyen Âge au XIIIe siècle (p. 121). The descent discussed by Hélène et Thierry starts five generations before Guigues/Guigo [I] with a series of Rostaings (I, II & III) and two Guigues prior to Guigues/Guigo [I]. Starting from Guigues/Guigo [I], the lineage gives the following descent:
VI.1 Guigues b. ca 950 d. 996; m. Frédéburge
----VI.2 Guigues b. ca 980 d. ca 1006; m. Gotelinde de Clérieu
--------VI.3 Guigues b. ca 995 d. aft 1060 m. Adélaïde
------------VI.4 Guigues "le Gras" b. ca 1030 d. aft 1096;
m1. Pétronille de Royans
----------------VI.5.1 Guigues m. Mahaud (Mathidle)
m2. Agnès de Barcelone
----------------VI.5.2 Guigues Raymond m. Ita Raymondis


Conclusion: Assuming that first generations in these five sources are the same person, one of the most obvious differences between the six descents, is that the Med Lands descent (#I) seems to be missing one generation which would be equivalent to I.3 = III.3 = IV.3 = V.3 = VI.3. The descent described by Hélène and Thierry (#VI) has some differences from the other lines (sometimes in the name of a spouse), but is supported by the best documentation. Based on what I have seen in these six sources, I (GAV) have settled on the following five-generation descent:
GAV.1 Guigo [I] de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----GAV.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 (no known spouse)
--------GAV.3 Guigues [III] liv. 1034 m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------GAV.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075
m1. Adelais (de Turin)
----------------GAV.5.1 Guigues IV [V] "Pinguls" b. 1025/30 m. Petronille de Royans
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------GAV.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. aft 1096 m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon
I have, however, included much of the relevant information from all five sources on specific individuals. Hélène et Thierry have a good discussion of the history of this line, as well as an analysis of various sources and theories. Ateliers des Dauphins has a more readable series of accounts of six generations (but, unfortunately, without citing sources). GA Vaut.10,7,1,11,12,13,14,15

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUIGUES [I], son of --- (-[7 Sep/18 Oct] 996). "Barnuinus et uxor mea…Teutberge" donated property "in villa Vitrosco" to Saint-André de Bas, Vienne, for the souls of "senioris nostri domini Vigoni domneque Fredeburge", by charter dated "regnante domno Rodulfo rege" (dated to [1012/23] in the compilation, but presumably better dated to [993/96])[145]. "Wigo et uxor mea Fredeburga" donated property "in comitatu Viennensi in agro Cassiacensi in villa…Vernio" by charter dated Sep [996], subscribed by "Umberti episcopi, Richardi, Vagoni, Bosoni, Adraldi"[146].
     "m [as her first husband,] FREDEBURGE, sister of GEOFFROY, daughter of --- ([960/65]-after 1012). "Barnuinus et uxor mea…Teutberge" donated property "in villa Vitrosco" to Saint-André de Bas, Vienne, for the souls of "senioris nostri domini Vigoni domneque Fredeburge", by charter dated "regnante domno Rodulfo rege" (dated to [1012/23] in the compilation, but presumably better dated to [993/96])[147]. "Fredeburgis matris eius…" subscribed the charter dated [Sep/Oct] 996 under which "Humbertus episcopus Gratianopolitanensis" donated property to Cluny[148]. "Wigo et uxor mea Fredeburga" donated property "in comitatu Viennensi in agro Cassiacensi in villa…Vernio" by charter dated Sep [996], subscribed by "Umberti episcopi, Richardi, Vagoni, Bosoni, Adraldi"[149]. "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[150]. "Fredeburgæ matris eius…" signed the charter dated 1012 under which "Umbertus Grationopolensis ecclesiæ præsul" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[151]. She was the sister of Geoffroy and sister-in-law of Théobald de Nyon[152]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[153], Fredeburga married secondly "Arnoul de Theys", although the primary source which confirms his family name has not yet been identified. This supposed second marriage is far from certain. It is allegedly confirmed by an undated charter which records that "Arnulfus et uxor mea Frideburga necnon et filius noster Rodulphus" donated property "unum mansum in episcopatu Gratianopolitano in Valle Navis…les Aberges" to Cluny, witnessed by "Vuigonis comitis"[154]. The key to identifying the donor Fredeburge lies in the dating of this charter. As noted elsewhere in the present document, the first member of the family of the comtes d’Albon who is recorded with the comital title was Guigues [III] "Vetus". It is not known when he was awarded the title, but he is not recorded with it in other sources before the mid-10th century. If the witness "Vuigonis comitis" was Guigues [III], which is likely, the donor Fredeburga would have been extremely old if she had been his paternal grandmother. Two other factors point to this supposed second marriage being incorrect. Firstly, it is extremely unlikely that Guigues [III]’s maternal grandmother could have given birth to a son by a second marriage, given the birth date estimated for her son by her [first] husband. Secondly, the charter dated 1012 makes no mention of Fredeburge’s second husband, although it is likely that it predated the undated charter. A more likely explanation is that Fredeburge, who married Arnoul, was an otherwise unrecorded daughter of the older Fredeburge by her marriage to Guigues [I], and that the witness to the charter was her nephew. Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné accepts that Arnoul was the husband of Guigues [I]’s widow, identifying him as Arnoul, son of Rudolf ("Arnoul, fils du comte Rodolphe"), adding that the latter patronised Fredeburge’s children by her first marriage[155]. He cites no primary source on which he bases his statement."
Med Lands cites:
[145] Chartarium Viennensium 67, in Vienne Saint-André-de-Bas, p. 54.
[146] Vienne Saint-André, 37, p. 248.
[147] Chartarium Viennensium 67, in Vienne Saint-André-de-Bas, p. 54.
[148] Cluny, Tome III, 2307, p. 430.
[149] Vienne Saint-André, 37, p. 248.
[150] MGH, Die Urkunden der Burgundischen Rudolfinger (1977), 93, p. 246.
[151] Saint-Chaffre, CCCLV, p. 118.
[152] ES III 738.
[153] ES III 738.
[154] Domène, 27, p. 31. This charter is not listed in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel.
[155] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 611.7


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III/4 738.2 GAV-28.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ARNOUL [de Theys] . According to Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné, the husband of Fredeburga was "Arnoul, fils du comte Rodolphe", adding that the latter patronised the family of the comtes d’Albon, but he cites no primary source on which assertion is based[253]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[254], he was "Arnoul de Theys" but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified.]
     "m FREDEBURGE, daughter of ---. An undated charter records that "Arnulfus et uxor mea Frideburga necnon et filius noster Rodulphus" donated property "unum mansum in episcopatu Gratianopolitano in Valle Navis…les Aberges" to Cluny, witnessed by "Vuigonis comitis"[255]. Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné identifies the donors as Fredeburge, widow of Guigues [I] (see above), and her supposed second husband[256]. The key to identifying the donor Fredeburge lies in the dating of this charter. The first member of the family of the comtes d’Albon who is recorded with the comital title was Guigues [III] "Vetus". It is not known when he was awarded the title, but he is not recorded with it in other sources before the mid-10th century. If the witness "Vuigonis comitis" was Guigues [III], which is likely, the donor Fredeburge would have been extremely old if she had been his paternal grandmother. Two other factors point to the donor Fredeburge not being Guigues’s grandmother. Firstly, it is extremely unlikely that Guigues [III]’s maternal grandmother could have given birth to a son by a second marriage, given the birth date estimated for her son by her [first] husband, Humbert. Secondly, she is named in a charter dated 1012 which makes no mention of Fredeburge’s second husband, although it is likely that it predated the undated charter. A more likely explanation is that the donor was Fredeburge, daughter of Guigues [I] & his wife Fredeburge ---, and that the witness to the charter was her nephew. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[257], Fredeburga’s husband was "Arnoul de Theys", although the primary source which confirms his family name has not yet been identified. Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné identifies him as "Arnoul, fils du comte Rodolphe", adding that the latter patronised Fredeburge’s family[258]. He cites no primary source on which he bases his statement."
Med Lands cites:
[253] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 611.
[254] ES III 738.
[255] Domène 27, p. 31. This charter is not listed in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel.
[256] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 611.
[257] ES III 738.
[258] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 611.9

Family 2

Arnoud de Theys

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Fredeburga: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048712&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard de Vienne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00218651&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Fredeburga: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00218653&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigo de Vion: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048711&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnoud de Theys: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048713&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20KINGS.htm#ArnoulMFredeburga
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048714&tree=LEO
  11. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #1 - Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon
  12. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #2 - Liste des comtes d'Albon puis dauphins de Viennois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_d%27Albon_puis_dauphins_de_Viennois
  13. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Les comtes d'Albon ont-ils des ancêtres?: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/124. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  14. [S4793] Ateliers des Dauphins: Patrimoine du Haut-Grésivaudan, online <http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/index.htm>, Les premiers Guigues (996-1070) and following pages: http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/histo/guigues1.htm. Hereinafter cited as Ateliers des Dauphins.
  15. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 2 Sept 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Humbert de Vion Bishop of Grenoble1,2

M, #57134, b. between 960 and 970, d. circa 1025
FatherGuigues/Guigo [I] "le Vieux" de Vion Seigneur de Vion1,2,3 d. bt 7 Sep 996 - 18 Oct 996
MotherFredeburga (?)1,2,3 b. bt 960 - 965, d. a 1012
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Humbert de Vion Bishop of Grenoble was born between 960 and 970.2
Humbert de Vion Bishop of Grenoble died circa 1025; Genealogy.EU says d. ca 1025; Med Lands says d. aft 1030.1,2
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "HUMBERT ([960/70]-[after 1030]). "Humbertus episcopus Gratianopolitanensis" donated property "medietatem castri de Visilia" to Cluny by charter dated [Sep/Oct] 996, subscribed by "Fredeburgis matris eius, Wiguonis fratris eius, Humberti episcopi de Valentia nepotis eius"[156]. His birth date range is estimated on the assumption that he was adult when appointed to his bishopric. Bishop of Grenoble 990 or before. "Wigo et uxor mea Fredeburga" donated property "in comitatu Viennensi in agro Cassiacensi in villa…Vernio" by charter dated Sep [996], subscribed by "Umberti episcopi, Richardi, Vagoni, Bosoni, Adraldi"[157]. "Umbertus Grationopolensis ecclesiæ præsul" donated property "locum de Sancto Bartholomeo cum ecclesia de Madernatis" to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre with the consent of "Radulfo rege et regina Ermengarda, et domino archiepiscopo Brocardo, matre quoque mea Fredeburge, atque Maileno nepote meo, simulque aliis nepotibus meis Umberto atque Wigone" by charter dated 1012, signed by "Fredeburgæ matris eius, Wigonis et Umberti filiorum fratris eius, Malleni nepotis eius"[158]. Prudhomme states that Bishop Humbert was still living in 1030 but had abandoned the administration of his diocesis to his nephew Mallen[159]. He cites no primary source to support his statement."
Med Lands cites:
[156] Cluny, Tome III, 2307, p. 430.
[157] Vienne Saint-André, 37, p. 248.
[158] Saint-Chaffre CCCLV, p. 118.
[159] Prudhomme (1888), p. 69.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).

Richard de Vion1,2

M, #57135
FatherGuigues/Guigo [I] "le Vieux" de Vion Seigneur de Vion1,2,3 d. bt 7 Sep 996 - 18 Oct 996
MotherFredeburga (?)1,2,3 b. bt 960 - 965, d. a 1012
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "[RICHARD (-after Sep [996]). "Wigo et uxor mea Fredeburga" donated property "in comitatu Viennensi in agro Cassiacensi in villa…Vernio" by charter dated Sep [996], subscribed by "Umberti episcopi, Richardi, Vagoni, Bosoni, Adraldi"[160]. Richard is shown in Europäische Stammtafeln[161] as the son of Guigues [I] and his wife Fredeburge. Presumably this is based only on this charter witnessed by "Richard". The document includes no information on the relationship, if any, between the donors and the witnesses, although other sources show that the first witness Bishop Humbert was the couple’s son. This appears to be slim evidence for asserting that Richard was also their son.]"
Med Lands cites:
[160] Vienne Saint-André, 37, p. 248.
[161] ES III 738.2
Richard de Vion was living after September 996.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).

NN d'Albon1

F, #57136
FatherGuigues/Guigo [I] "le Vieux" de Vion Seigneur de Vion1,2 d. bt 7 Sep 996 - 18 Oct 996
MotherFredeburga (?)1,2 b. bt 960 - 965, d. a 1012
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
      ; a daughter, who was mother of Mallenus, Bp of Grenoble, +ca 1036.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Mallenus (?) Bishop of Grenoble1

M, #57137, d. circa 1036
MotherNN d'Albon1
Last Edited5 Jul 2003
     Mallenus (?) Bishop of Grenoble died circa 1036.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html

Humbert de Vion Bishop of Valence1,2

M, #57138, b. between 995 and 1000, d. circa 1037
FatherGuigues [II] de Vion Seigneur de Vion1,3,2 d. b 1009
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Humbert de Vion Bishop of Valence was born between 995 and 1000.2
Humbert de Vion Bishop of Valence died circa 1037.1,2
     He was Per Med Lands:
     "HUMBERT ([995/1000]-[1037]). "…Humberti episcopi de Valentia nepotis eius" subscribed the charter dated [Sep/Oct] 996 under which "Humbertus episcopus Gratianopolitanensis" donated property to Cluny[165]. His birth date is estimated consistent with the birth date range estimated for his uncle Humbert, although as noted above there is some doubt whether the latter range is correct. Bishop of Valence . "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[166]. "…Wigonis et Umberti filiorum fratris eius…" signed the charter dated 1012 under which "Umbertus Grationopolensis ecclesiæ præsul" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[167]."
Med Lands cites:
[165] Cluny, Tome III, 2307, p. 430.
[166] MGH, Die Urkunden der Burgundischen Rudolfinger (1977), 93, p. 246.
[167] Saint-Chaffre CCCLV, p. 118.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).

Guillaume de Vion1,2

M, #57139, d. 7 December 1012
FatherGuigues [II] de Vion Seigneur de Vion1 d. b 1009
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Guillaume de Vion died on 7 December 1012.1,2
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME (-7 Nov [1012]). "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[169]. The necrology of the priory of Saint-Robert records the death "VII Id Nov" of "Guillelmus filius Guigonis comitis"[170]."
Med Lands cites:
[169] MGH, Die Urkunden der Burgundischen Rudolfinger (1977), 93, p. 246.
[170] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612, quoting necrology of priory of Saint-Robert, auprès de Grenoble (no citation reference).2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Humbert (?) Bishop of Grenoble1

M, #57140, d. circa 1080
FatherGuigues [III] de Vion Sire de Vion1,2
MotherGotelana/Gotheline de Clérieu1,2 d. c 1027
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Humbert (?) Bishop of Grenoble died circa 1080.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).

Petronille/Adelais de Royans1,2

F, #57141
FatherArtaud/Arnaud (?) de Royans1
MotherPetronille (?) de Grenoble1
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Petronille/Adelais de Royans married Guigues II "le Gras/Pinguis" [V] d'Albon Comte d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Sire de Vion, son of Guigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon and Adelais (?) de Turin, on 27 April 1050
; Med Lands says m. bef 29 Apr 1050; Genealogy.EU says m. 27 Apr 1050.1,3,4,2,5
      ; Per Genealogy.EU (Albon 1): “D1. Comte Guigues II "Pinguis" d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Sire de Vion, *Albon ca 1025, +after 1095; in 1091 he was coheir to Adelaide, Margravine of Turin; m.27.4.1050: Pétronille = Adélais de Royans, dau.of Artaud=Arnaud de Royans and Pétronille de Grenoble”.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUIGUES [IV] "Pinguis", son of GUIGUES [d'Albon] & his wife first wife Adelsindis --- ([1025/30]-19 Jan [1106], bur Priory of Saint-Robert). A charter dated to [1100] relates details of a dispute between the bishop and counts of Albon which names "Guigo Vetus, pater Guigonis Crassus…Guigoni comiti, filio Guigonis Crassis"[208]. "Malleni episcopi Gratianopolitani et Wigonis comitis et uxoris eius Adelsendis, filiorumque suorum Umberti et Wigonis" signed a charter dated 26 Aug 1035 relating to the donation of four churches in Vico to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[209]. A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[210]. "…Guigo comes et filius eius Guigo…" witnessed the charter dated 27 Jan 1052 which records an agreement between the archbishop of Vienne and the canons of the church of Romans[211]. "Guigo comes qui nomine vocor senex atque filius meus Guigo pinguis" donated property to Oulx by charter dated 1063[212]. Comte d'Albon. "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[213]. "Vuigo comes" donated property "in parrochia Heroneii" to Domène by undated charter[214]. "Wigo…comes" confirmed a donation to Cluny by charter dated [1100][215]. "Guigonis comitis, filii Guigonis Veteris…" subscribed the charter dated 22 Jan 1105 relating to a donation to the cathedral of Grenoble[216]. Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné states that an epitaph in the priory of Saint-Robert records the death 19 Jan of "Guigo Grassus Dalphinus primus et monachus" but comments that it was erected long after his death[217].
     "m (before 29 Apr 1050) PETRONILLE, daughter of --- ([1039/41]-9 Sep, before 1106, bur Priory of Domene). A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[218]. [According to Europäische Stammtafeln[219], the first wife of Guigues [IV] was Adelaide de Savoie, daughter of Oddon Comte de Chablais, Marchese di Susa & his wife Adelaida Marchesa di Susa ([1052/53]-[Schloß Twiel] early 1079, bur St Blasius). Another table in Europäische Stammtafeln[220] shows the first wife of Guigues Comte d'Albon as "Adelais (von Turin)" and their son Guigues [V] Comte d'Albon as co-heir of Adelaida Marchesa di Susa in 1091. The basis for this hypothesis has not been found, but it is unlikely to be correct considering Adelaide's estimated birth date. On the other hand, it is likely that the wife of Guigues [IV] was a descendant of Adelaida Marchesa di Susa, assuming that it is correct that his son Guigues [V] was one of her co-heirs in 1091. If that is correct, it is possible that his wife was the daughter of Adelaida’s second marriage to Enrico di Monferrato, and therefore born in [1039/41]. If Guigues [IV]’s wife was Petronille named in the charter quoted above, she would have still been a child at the time of that marriage.] The necrology of the priory of Saint-Robert records the death "V Id Sep" of "la comtesse Pétronille, épouse de Guigues le Gras et mère de Guigues le comte"[221]. Her burial place is confirmed by the charter dated 1106 under which "dominus Vuigo comes et uxor eius Regina quæ fuit de Anglia" confirmed a donation to Domène which states that "matris suæ" was buried in the monastery[222]."
Med Lands cites:
[208] Grenoble Cathedral, Chartularium B, XVI, p. 93.
[209] Saint-Chaffre CCCLVI, p. 120.
[210] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612, quoting Cartulary of Saint-Pierre de Vienne (no citation reference).
[211] Romans (1856), 4, p. 8.
[212] Oulx, XVIII, p. 18.
[213] Cluny, Tome IV, 3542, p. 669.
[214] Domène, 9, p. 12.
[215] Cluny, Tome V, 3794, p. 145.
[216] Grenoble Cathedral, Chartularium A, III, p. 5.
[217] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 613.
[218] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612, quoting Cartulary of Saint-Pierre de Vienne (no citation reference).
[219] ES II 190 and ES XII 95A (Die Grafen von Rheinfelden).
[220] ES III 738 (Les Comtes d'Albon).
[221] Chevalier (1913) Répertoire Dauphiné Tome I, col. 352, citing Chevalier, U. Nécrologe de Saint-Robert, 42.
[222] Domène 17, p. 21.
[223] Grenoble Cathedral, Chartularium B, XVI, p. 93.5
GAV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Petronille: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048723&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues II Pinguis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048722&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIVdied1106B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048724&tree=LEO

Artaud/Arnaud (?) de Royans1

M, #57142
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited5 Jul 2003
     Artaud/Arnaud (?) de Royans married Petronille (?) de Grenoble.1

     GAV-26.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html

Petronille (?) de Grenoble1

F, #57143
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited5 Jul 2003
     Petronille (?) de Grenoble married Artaud/Arnaud (?) de Royans.1

     GAV-26.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html

Guigues dit Raymond d'Albon Comte d'Albon1,2,3

M, #57144, b. between 1071 and 1075, d. after 5 December 1096
FatherGuigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon1,4,2,5,3 b. bt 995 - 1000, d. 22 Apr 1075
MotherInez/Agnes/Inès (?) of Barcelona1,2,6,5,3 b. bt 1055 - 1056, d. a 1094
Last Edited8 Sep 2020
     Guigues dit Raymond d'Albon Comte d'Albon was born between 1071 and 1075; Genealogy.EU says b. 1071-1075; Med Lands says b. 1074/75.1,3 He married Ita Raymonde de Forez comtesse de Forez, daughter of Artaud II/IV de Forez Comte de Lyon et de Forez and Raimonde/Raymodis (?), circa 1091
;
Her 2nd husband. Genealogy.EU says m. ca 1091; Med Lands says m. 1085 or before.1,2,3,7,8,9
Guigues dit Raymond d'Albon Comte d'Albon died after 5 December 1096.1,3
     ; NB: There is no clear agreement regarding this line of descent:


     I. Genealogics says that Guigues II m. once to Fredeburga (same name as his mother), and that they had a son, Guigues who m. twice: m1 Gotelana and m2 Adelsendis. The five-generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
I.1 Guigo [I[ de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----I.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 m. Fredeburga
--------I.3 Guigues [III] m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------I.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075;
m1. Adelais (de Turin);
----------------I.5.1 Guiges II (V) Pinguis, Comte d'Albon d. Aft 19 Jan 1095 m. Petronille
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------I.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. 15 Dec ? m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon


     II. Med Lands has Guigues II m. to Gotelene, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
II.1 Guigues [I] d. 7 Sep/18 Oct] 996 m. [as her first husband,] Fredeburge
----II.2 Guigues II d. 1009 m. Gotelene
--------II.3 Guigues III "Vetus/Vieux" b. 995/1000] - d. 22 Apr 1074/75 m1. Adelsindis (d. 29 Apr 1050); m2. Ines de Barcelona (b. 1055/56 - d. bef 12 Nov 1076)
------------II.4 (by m1) Guigues IV "Pinguis" b. 1025/30 - d. 19 Jan 1106 m. Petronille
----------------II.5 Guiges V b. 1050/70 - d. 21 Dec 1125 m. Regina


     III. Genealogy.EU (Albon 1) says that Guigues [II] m. NN, and the five- generation descent from Guigo/Guigues I is given as:
III.1 Guigues, +996; m. Fredeburga N
----III.2 Guigues, +ca 1009; m. NN
--------III.3 Guigues, fl 1034; m1: before 18.10.1013 Gotelana de Clérieu; m2: Adelsindis N; both kids by 1m
------------III.4 Guigues I Vetus, Cte d'Albon, +22.4.1075;
m1: Adelais N;
----------------III.5.1 Guigues II "Pinguis" d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Sire de Vion, b. ca 1025, d. aft 1095 m. m.27.4.1050: Pétronille/Adélais de Royans
m2: 10.5.1070 Agnes=Ines of Barcelona
----------------III.5.2 Guigues dit Raymond, Count d'Albon, b. 1071-75, d. aft 1096; m. ca 1091 Ita-Raymondis


IV. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #1 (House of Albon) the following descent (images of the descent from the Wikipédia (Fr.) article are attached):
IV.1 Guigues le Vieux († 996), seigneur de Vion m. Fredeburge
----IV.2 Guigues († 1009), seigneur de Vion (no spouse shown)
--------IV.3 Guigues, vivant en 1034, seigneur de Vion m. Gotelana de Clerieux [NB This descent differs from Genealogics and Genealogy.EU in the wives of generations 3,4 and 5.]
------------IV.4 Guigues 1er le Vieux d. 1070, comte d'Albon m. Adelsinde epse Adélaïde de Savoie
----------------IV.5 Guigues II († 1079), comte d'Albon; m1. 1050 Pétronille de Royans; m2. 1070 Inès (ou Agnès) de Barcelone


V. Wikipédia (Fr.) Entry #2 (Counts of Albon) has a list of the Albon Dynasty that starts with Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene and who seems to equate with II.2=III.3, giving the following descent:
V.1 Not shown
----V.2 Not shown
--------V.3 Guigues d'Albon m. Gotelene
------------V.4 Guigues 1er b. ca 1000 - d. 22 Apr 1060/1075; m. Adalsendis or Adelaïde
----------------V.5 Guigues II "le Gras/Pinguis" b. ca 1025 - d. ca 1079; m. Pétronille (de Royans ?)


VI. Hélène et Thierry outline (in French) various theories concerning the origin of the Seigneurs de Vion and the Comtes d'Albon who descended from them. An image of a chart from their website is attached which summarizes the lineage proposed by Pierre Yves Laffont [2009]. Châteaux du Vivarais. Pouvoirs et peuplement en France méridionale du haut Moyen Âge au XIIIe siècle (p. 121). The descent discussed by Hélène et Thierry starts five generations before Guigues/Guigo [I] with a series of Rostaings (I, II & III) and two Guigues prior to Guigues/Guigo [I]. Starting from Guigues/Guigo [I], the lineage gives the following descent:
VI.1 Guigues b. ca 950 d. 996; m. Frédéburge
----VI.2 Guigues b. ca 980 d. ca 1006; m. Gotelinde de Clérieu
--------VI.3 Guigues b. ca 995 d. aft 1060 m. Adélaïde
------------VI.4 Guigues "le Gras" b. ca 1030 d. aft 1096;
m1. Pétronille de Royans
----------------VI.5.1 Guigues m. Mahaud (Mathidle)
m2. Agnès de Barcelone
----------------VI.5.2 Guigues Raymond m. Ita Raymondis


Conclusion: Assuming that first generations in these five sources are the same person, one of the most obvious differences between the six descents, is that the Med Lands descent (#I) seems to be missing one generation which would be equivalent to I.3 = III.3 = IV.3 = V.3 = VI.3. The descent described by Hélène and Thierry (#VI) has some differences from the other lines (sometimes in the name of a spouse), but is supported by the best documentation. Based on what I have seen in these six sources, I (GAV) have settled on the following five-generation descent:
GAV.1 Guigo [I] de Vion d. 996 m. Fredeburga
----GAV.2 Guigues [II], Sire de Vion d. Bef 1009 (no known spouse)
--------GAV.3 Guigues [III] liv. 1034 m1. Gotelena de Clerieux d. Abt 1027, m2. Adelsendis
------------GAV.4 (by m1) Guigues I [IV] Vetus, Comte d'Albon d. 22 Apr 1075
m1. Adelais (de Turin)
----------------GAV.5.1 Guigues IV [V] "Pinguls" b. 1025/30 m. Petronille de Royans
m2. Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona d. Aft 1094
----------------GAV.5.2 Guiges dit Raimond d'Albon d. aft 1096 m. Ita-Raimonde de Lyon
I have, however, included much of the relevant information from all five sources on specific individuals. Hélène et Thierry have a good discussion of the history of this line, as well as an analysis of various sources and theories. Ateliers des Dauphins has a more readable series of accounts of six generations (but, unfortunately, without citing sources). GA Vaut.10,11,1,12,13,14,15,16

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUIGUES dit Raymond ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096). "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[200]. He is referred to, but not named, in the testament of "comitis Barchinone…Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 as residuary beneficiary of the county of Barcelona in case of the death of the testator's three children[201].
     "m (1085 or before) as her second husband, [ITA Raymonde] de Forez, [divorced wife] of [RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers], daughter of ARTAUD [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon & his wife Raymonde ---. The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus…[filios]…Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[202]. La Mure’s Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d’Artaud V…comte de Lyon et de Forez et d’Ide son épouse" and refers to the couple’s donation of "quelques terres situées au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita’s dowry[203]. La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon’s Histoire de Savoie. This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared. It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde’s affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise. Two difficulties remain. The first difficulty is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust). The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage. One possibility is that Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud’s wife was "filiam unicam". It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues’s wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud. If there was only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct. It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita’s second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected."
Med Lands cites:
[200] Cluny, Tome IV, 3542, p. 669.
[201] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.
[202] Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum, RHGF, p. 316.
[203] La Mure (1675/1860), Tome I, p. 146.3


; Per Genealogy.EU (Albon 1): “D2. [2m.] Guigues dit Raymond, Count d'Albon, *1071-75, +after 1096; m.ca 1091 Ita-Raymondis, dau.of Cte Artaud IV de Lyon et de Forez and Ide Raimonde de Forez”.1
; Per Med Lands:
     "[ITA Raymonde] . The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus…[filios]…Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[95]. La Mure’s Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d’Artaud V…comte de Lyon et de Forez et d’Ide son épouse" and refers to the couple’s donation of "quelques terres situées au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita’s dowry[96]. La Mure does not quote the charter nor does he provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon’s Histoire de Savoie. This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably it has since disappeared. It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde’s affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise. Two difficulties remain. The first is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust). The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage when Guigues Raymond must still have been an infant. These problems would be solved if Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon in fact had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud’s wife was "filiam unicam". It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues’s wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud. If there was really only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct. It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita’s second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected.
     "[m firstly ([divorced]) as his first wife, RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers, son of GUILLAUME [I] Comte de Nevers & his wife Ermengarde Ctss de Tonnerre (-5 Aug 1089).]
     "[m secondly (before 1085) GUIGUES RAYMOND d'Albon, son of GUIGUES [II] "Vetus" Comte d'Albon & his second wife Ines de Barcelona ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096).]"
Med Lands cites:
[95] Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum, RHGF, Tome XII, p. 316.
[96] La Mure (1675/1860), Tome I, p. 146.7

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues dit Raimond d'Albon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048736&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesRaymonddiedafter1096. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues I Vetus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048720&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIdied1075B
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Inez (Agnes) of Barcelona: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048732&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#ItaRaymondeForezM1NeversM2Albon
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ita-Raimonde de Lyon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076151&tree=LEO
  9. [S2164] Roglo Genealogical database, online http://roglo.eu/roglo, Ide Raymonde de Forez: http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=en;p=ide+raymonde;n=de+forez;. Hereinafter cited as Roglo Database.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048714&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#_Toc31798779
  12. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #1 - Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  13. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Entry #2 - Liste des comtes d'Albon puis dauphins de Viennois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_d%27Albon_puis_dauphins_de_Viennois
  14. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Les comtes d'Albon ont-ils des ancêtres?: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/124. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  15. [S4793] Ateliers des Dauphins: Patrimoine du Haut-Grésivaudan, online <http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/index.htm>, Les premiers Guigues (996-1070) and following pages: http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/histo/guigues1.htm. Hereinafter cited as Ateliers des Dauphins.
  16. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 2 Sept 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy d'Albon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048738&tree=LEO

Ita Raymonde de Forez comtesse de Forez1,2,3,4

F, #57145, b. 1055
FatherArtaud II/IV de Forez Comte de Lyon et de Forez1,5,2,6,3,4 d. bt 14 May 1078 - 6 Dec 1079
MotherRaimonde/Raymodis (?)1,2,3,4
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited8 Sep 2020
     Ita Raymonde de Forez comtesse de Forez and Renaud II de Nevers Count of Nevers & Auxerre were divorced.7,8,3 Ita Raymonde de Forez comtesse de Forez married Renaud II de Nevers Count of Nevers & Auxerre, son of Guillaume I (?) Comte de Nevers & Auxerre and Ermengarde (?) Comtesse de Tonnerre,
;
Her 1st husband; his 1st wife (later divorced). Genealogy.EU says m. ca 1091; Med Lands says m. 1085 or before.2,9,8,3,4 Ita Raymonde de Forez comtesse de Forez was born in 1055 at Leforez, Provence, France.10,11 She married Guigues dit Raymond d'Albon Comte d'Albon, son of Guigues I [IV] "Vetus/Vieux" (?) Comte d'Albon and Inez/Agnes/Inès (?) of Barcelona, circa 1091
;
Her 2nd husband. Genealogy.EU says m. ca 1091; Med Lands says m. 1085 or before.1,12,13,2,3,4
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "RENAUD [II] de Nevers (-killed 5 Aug 1089). The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum names "Guillelmum et Renaldum" as the two sons of "Guillelmus…I", stating that Renaud possessed "Malliacum et Huben, duo nobilia castra"[85]. Although the wording of this passage suggests that Guillaume was the older son, the charter dated 4 Mar 1063 subscribed by "filii mei Raginaldi, Wilelmi, Rotberti" after "Wilelmus comes"[86] is more likely to show the correct order of birth of the brothers. He and his brothers are named in their father's 1083 charter[87]. The necrology of Auxerre cathedral records that "Rainaldus Willelmi comitis filius" was killed 5 Aug[88].
     "m firstly ([divorced]) [as her first husband,] [ITA Raymonde] de Forez, daughter of ARTAUD [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon & his wife Raymonde ---. The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus…[filios]…Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[89]. [She married secondly (before 1085) Guigues Raymond d'Albon.] La Mure’s Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d’Artaud V…comte de Lyon et de Forez et d’Ide son épouse" and refers to the couple’s donation of "quelques terres situées au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita’s dowry[90]. La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon’s Histoire de Savoie. This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared. It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde’s affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise. Two difficulties remain. The first difficulty is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust). The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage when Guigues Raymond must still have been an infant. One possibility is that Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud’s wife was "filiam unicam". It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues’s wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud. If there was only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct. It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita’s second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected.
     "m secondly [as her second husband,] AGNES de Baugency, [widow of ROBERT de Villeneuil,] daughter of LANCELIN [II] Seigneur de Baugency & his wife ---. The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus…[filios]…Renaldum" married secondly "Idam…filiam Lancelini de Balgentiaco"[91]. Her parentage is confirmed by a charter dated 1134 under which "Guillelmus comes Nivernensis, qui fuit natus de filia Lancelini de Baugenciaco" renounced practices which prejudiced the abbey of Saint-Michel[92]. Her first marriage is indicated by the charter dated Feb 1069 under which "Rotbertus de Villenolio gener Lancelini" donated property, naming "uxorem suam Agnes…et fratrem suum Willelmum", subscribed by "Lancelinus de Balgentiaco, Rodulfus filius eius"[93].
     "Comte Renaud [I] & his first wife had one child:
a) ELISABETH de Nevers (before 1085-after [1120/39]). m [as his second wife,] MILON Seigneur de Courtenay

     "Comte Renaud [II] & his second wife had [three] children:
b) GUILLAUME [III] de Nevers (-20 Aug 1148).
c) ROBERT de Nevers (-after 1134).
d) [--- . m ---.] One child:
     i) HUGUES (-after 1144)."

Med Lands cites:
[85] Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum, RHGF, Tome XII, p. 316.
[86] Cluny, Tome IV, 3388, p. 487.
[87] Bouchard (1987), p. 345.
[88] Histoire d’Auxerre (1850), Tome IV, p. 16.
[89] Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum, RHGF, Tome XII, p. 316.
[90] La Mure, Tome I, p. 146.
[91] Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum, RHGF, Tome XII, p. 316.
[92] Yonne, Tome I, CLXXIV, p. 296.
[93] Marmoutier (Dunois), XV, p. 16.7


; Per Racines et Histoire (Nevers): “1) Renaud II de Nevers ° ~1055/60 +X 05/08/1089 comte de Nevers et d’Auxerre (1083)
     ép. 1) (divorce ?) Ita Raymonde de Lyon (alias de Forez), comtesse douairière de Forez (fille d’Artaud II, comte de Lyon et de Forez, et de Raymonde (alias Ide) ; ép. 2) avant 1085 GuiguesRaymond d’Albon)
     ép. 2) Agnès de Beaugency ° 1069 (fille de Lancelin II (alias Landri), seigneur de Beaugency ; veuve de Robert de Villeneuil + après 02/1069)”.14

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUIGUES dit Raymond ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096). "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[200]. He is referred to, but not named, in the testament of "comitis Barchinone…Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 as residuary beneficiary of the county of Barcelona in case of the death of the testator's three children[201].
     "m (1085 or before) as her second husband, [ITA Raymonde] de Forez, [divorced wife] of [RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers], daughter of ARTAUD [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon & his wife Raymonde ---. The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus…[filios]…Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[202]. La Mure’s Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d’Artaud V…comte de Lyon et de Forez et d’Ide son épouse" and refers to the couple’s donation of "quelques terres situées au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita’s dowry[203]. La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon’s Histoire de Savoie. This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared. It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde’s affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise. Two difficulties remain. The first difficulty is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust). The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage. One possibility is that Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud’s wife was "filiam unicam". It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues’s wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud. If there was only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct. It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita’s second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected."
Med Lands cites:
[200] Cluny, Tome IV, 3542, p. 669.
[201] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.
[202] Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum, RHGF, p. 316.
[203] La Mure (1675/1860), Tome I, p. 146.13


; Per Genealogy.EU (Albon 1): “D2. [2m.] Guigues dit Raymond, Count d'Albon, *1071-75, +after 1096; m.ca 1091 Ita-Raymondis, dau.of Cte Artaud IV de Lyon et de Forez and Ide Raimonde de Forez”.1 GAV-25 EDV-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:716, 737.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "[ITA Raymonde] . The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus…[filios]…Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[95]. La Mure’s Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d’Artaud V…comte de Lyon et de Forez et d’Ide son épouse" and refers to the couple’s donation of "quelques terres situées au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita’s dowry[96]. La Mure does not quote the charter nor does he provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon’s Histoire de Savoie. This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably it has since disappeared. It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde’s affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise. Two difficulties remain. The first is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust). The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage when Guigues Raymond must still have been an infant. These problems would be solved if Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon in fact had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud’s wife was "filiam unicam". It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues’s wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud. If there was really only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct. It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita’s second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected.
     "[m firstly ([divorced]) as his first wife, RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers, son of GUILLAUME [I] Comte de Nevers & his wife Ermengarde Ctss de Tonnerre (-5 Aug 1089).]
     "[m secondly (before 1085) GUIGUES RAYMOND d'Albon, son of GUIGUES [II] "Vetus" Comte d'Albon & his second wife Ines de Barcelona ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096).]"
Med Lands cites:
[95] Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum, RHGF, Tome XII, p. 316.
[96] La Mure (1675/1860), Tome I, p. 146.2

Family 1

Renaud II de Nevers Count of Nevers & Auxerre b. c 1047, d. 5 Aug 1089
Child

Family 2

Guigues dit Raymond d'Albon Comte d'Albon b. bt 1071 - 1075, d. a 5 Dec 1096
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#ItaRaymondeForezM1NeversM2Albon. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ita-Raimonde de Lyon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076151&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2164] Roglo Genealogical database, online http://roglo.eu/roglo, Ide Raymonde de Forez: http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=en;p=ide+raymonde;n=de+forez;. Hereinafter cited as Roglo Database.
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#ArtaudIIForezdied1078B
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Artaud II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141452&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdnevers.htm#RenaudIINeversM1IdaM2Agnes
  8. [S2164] Roglo Database, online http://roglo.eu/roglo, Renaud de Nevers: http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=en;p=renaud;n=de+nevers;oc=2.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Renaud II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029104&tree=LEO
  10. [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
  11. [S619] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 27 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 6, Ed. 1, Family #6-1556., CD-ROM (n.p.: Release date: August 22, 1996, 1996). Hereinafter cited as WFT 6-1556.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guigues dit Raimond d'Albon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048736&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesRaymonddiedafter1096
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes d’Auxerre, Nevers & Tonnerre, p. 8: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Auxerre-Nevers-Tonnerre.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy d'Albon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00048738&tree=LEO

Artaud II/IV de Forez Comte de Lyon et de Forez1,2,3

M, #57146, d. between 14 May 1078 and 6 December 1079
FatherGéraud I (?) Comte de Lyon4,5 d. a 1046
MotherAdelaide (?)6
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited8 Sep 2020
     Artaud II/IV de Forez Comte de Lyon et de Forez married Raimonde/Raymodis (?)1,2,3

Artaud II/IV de Forez Comte de Lyon et de Forez died between 14 May 1078 and 6 December 1079; Genealogics and Med Lands say d. "14 May 1078/6 Dec 1079.2,3 "
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:737.3 GAV-26 EDV-26. Artaud II/IV de Forez Comte de Lyon et de Forez was also known as Artald V de Forez Count of Forez.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ARTAUD [IV] de Forez, son of GERAUD Comte de Forez & his wife Adelaide --- (-[14 May 1078/6 Dec 1079]). "Geraldus comes et uxor mea Adalaix" donated the church of Saint-Pierre d’Aurec to the abbey of Saint-Michel-l’Ecluse en Savoie, by charter dated "VIII Id Feb regnante Rodulfo rege die Jovis", subscribed by "Artaldus et Gaufredus seu Vilelemus eorum filii"[76]. Comte de Forez. Auguste Bernard cites a charter dated to before 1061 under which Artaud, son of Gérard, confirmed a donation to the church of Aurec, approved by his (unnamed) wife[77]. Pope Gregory VII excommunicated Comte Artaud at the council of Worms in 1076 for his attacks on the church of Lyon[78]. "Vuillelmus comes Foresii" donated property to Savigny by charter dated [14 May 1078] which names "comes Artaldus pater eius"[79].
     "m RAYMONDE, daughter of ---. "Raymode matre mea" consented to the donation to Cluny dated 1078 by "Artaldus comes Forensis", named immediately after "Willelmus filius eius [Artaldi]"[80]. "
Med Lands cites:
[76] La Mure (1675/1860), Tome III, Preuves, 20, p. 16.
[77] Bernard (1875), p. 291, which does not provide the source reference for the original.
[78] Bernard (1875), p. 292.
[79] Savigny 758, p. 395.
[80] Cluny, Tome IV, 3529, p. 651.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#ArtaudIIForezdied1078B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Artaud II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141452&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#GerardForezdiedafter1046
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Géraud I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141458&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelaide: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141459&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#GuillaumeIForezdied1097
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#ItaRaymondeForezM1NeversM2Albon
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ita-Raimonde de Lyon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076151&tree=LEO
  10. [S2164] Roglo Genealogical database, online http://roglo.eu/roglo, Ide Raymonde de Forez: http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=en;p=ide+raymonde;n=de+forez;. Hereinafter cited as Roglo Database.

Raimonde/Raymodis (?)1,2

F, #57147
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited8 Sep 2020
     Raimonde/Raymodis (?) married Artaud II/IV de Forez Comte de Lyon et de Forez, son of Géraud I (?) Comte de Lyon and Adelaide (?).1,3,4

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ARTAUD [IV] de Forez, son of GERAUD Comte de Forez & his wife Adelaide --- (-[14 May 1078/6 Dec 1079]). "Geraldus comes et uxor mea Adalaix" donated the church of Saint-Pierre d’Aurec to the abbey of Saint-Michel-l’Ecluse en Savoie, by charter dated "VIII Id Feb regnante Rodulfo rege die Jovis", subscribed by "Artaldus et Gaufredus seu Vilelemus eorum filii"[76]. Comte de Forez. Auguste Bernard cites a charter dated to before 1061 under which Artaud, son of Gérard, confirmed a donation to the church of Aurec, approved by his (unnamed) wife[77]. Pope Gregory VII excommunicated Comte Artaud at the council of Worms in 1076 for his attacks on the church of Lyon[78]. "Vuillelmus comes Foresii" donated property to Savigny by charter dated [14 May 1078] which names "comes Artaldus pater eius"[79].
     "m RAYMONDE, daughter of ---. "Raymode matre mea" consented to the donation to Cluny dated 1078 by "Artaldus comes Forensis", named immediately after "Willelmus filius eius [Artaldi]"[80]. "
Med Lands cites:
[76] La Mure (1675/1860), Tome III, Preuves, 20, p. 16.
[77] Bernard (1875), p. 291, which does not provide the source reference for the original.
[78] Bernard (1875), p. 292.
[79] Savigny 758, p. 395.
[80] Cluny, Tome IV, 3529, p. 651.3
GAV-26.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raymodis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141453&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#ArtaudIIForezdied1078B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Artaud II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141452&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#GuillaumeIForezdied1097
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#ItaRaymondeForezM1NeversM2Albon
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ita-Raimonde de Lyon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076151&tree=LEO
  8. [S2164] Roglo Genealogical database, online http://roglo.eu/roglo, Ide Raymonde de Forez: http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=en;p=ide+raymonde;n=de+forez;. Hereinafter cited as Roglo Database.

Guigues Vetus (?)1

M, #57148
FatherGuigues III [VI] “le Comte” d'Albon Count d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Dauphin de Viennois1 b. bt 1050 - 1060, d. 21 Dec 1125
MotherMathilde (?)1 d. a 1130
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Guigues Vetus (?) was living in 1105.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html

Adélaïde d'Albon1,2

F, #57149
FatherGuigues II "le Gras/Pinguis" [V] d'Albon Comte d'Albon, Comte de Grenoble, Sire de Vion1,2,3 b. c 1025, d. a 18 Jan 1095
MotherPetronille/Adelais de Royans1,2,3
Last Edited1 Sep 2020
     Adélaïde d'Albon married Soffredus (?) d'Hauterive.1,2

     Adélaïde d'Albon was living in 1112.1

Family

Soffredus (?) d'Hauterive

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Albon 1 page (Counts d'Albon, Counts de Forez and Sires de Beaujeau): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/albon1.html
  2. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Albon: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Albon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesIVdied1106B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.