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     Eadgyth/Edith (?) of Wessex married Eadric Streona (?) Ealdorman of Mercia between 1007 and 1009
; her 1st husband.^1,8 Eadgyth/Edith (?) of Wessex married Jarl Thorkell "Hávi/the Tall" (?), son of Strutharald (?) King in Skåne,
; her 2nd husband.^1,9,10
Eadgyth/Edith (?) of Wessex died after 11 November 1021.⁶
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Burke's Guide to the Royal Family London, 1973 , Reference: 190.²

; Per Med Lands:
     "THORKELL "Havi/the Tall" (-killed in battle 1039). Snorre names "Heming and Thorkel the Tall" as brothers of Sigvalde[2]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records the arrival at Sandwich 1 Aug 1009 of an "immense hostile host", one manuscript specifying "to which we gave the name of Thurkil´s host", which invaded Kent, the Isle of Wight, Sussex, Hampshire and Berkshire, before returning to Kent to take up "winter-quarters on the Thames" and the following year invading East Anglia and other parts of England, culminating in the kidnap and murder of Ælfheah Archbishop of Canterbury[3]. Florence of Worcester records that "Danicus comes Turkillus" invaded England with a fleet, dated to 1009 from the context, and that other fleets led by "duces Hemingus et Eglafus" landed in August at "Tenedland" [Thanet] after which the invaders joined forces to devastate Kent, the Isle of Wight, Sussex and Southampton, and establish themselves in the Thames valley for the winter[4]. He and his 3000 Jömvikings (named after the military community at the fortress of Jömsborg at the mouth of the River Oder) were hired as mercenaries to help the defence of England by Æthelred II King of England at the end of 1012 for 48,000 pounds of silver[5]. William of Malmesbury that "Turkill the Dane, who had been the chief cause of the archbishop´s murder, had settled in England and held the East Angles under subjection" and that he "sent messengers to Suane king of Denmark inviting him to come to England"[6]. William of Malmesbury´s version of the death of "Dunsten" (presumably an error for Ælfheah) archbishop of Canterbury is contradicted by Thietmar who, stating that he relates the events as recounted by an eye-witness "Sewaldi", records that "Thurkilo" tried to hinder the murder[7]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records the invasion of England led by Svend King of Denmark in 1013, stating that the invaders "went east to London" where "the citizens would not submit…because King Æthelred was inside and Thurkil with him"[8]. Thorkell defected back to join Knud's invasion fleet in Aug 1015 and fought with the Danes at Ashington in Oct 1016. Earl of East Anglia. William of Malmesbury records that Canute King of England divided the kingdom into four parts "he himself took the West Saxons, Edric the Mercians, Turkill the East Angles, Iric the Northumbrians", adding that "in process of time…Turkill and Iric were driven out of the kingdom and sought their native land" and that "the first, who had been the instigator of the murder of the blessed Elfeg, was killed by the chiefs the moment he touched the Danish shore" (the latter point being shown to be incorrect by the subsequent references to Thorkell)[9]. Simeon of Durham records that King Canute granted East Anglia to "earl Turkill" in 1017[10]. It is probable that the king appointed him regent of England in 1019, during his absence in Denmark. Florence of Worcester records that King Canute expelled "Turkillum…comitem cum uxore sua Edgitha" from England 11 Nov, dated to 1021[11]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that King Canute outlawed "earl Thurkil" 11 Nov 1021[12], but adds in a later passage that the two of them entered a pact of reconciliation in 1023 under which Thorkell would govern Denmark, keeping each other's sons as hostages[13]. He remained regent for about three years, being replaced by Ulf, Knud's brother-in-law. He was killed by the Welsh[14].
     "m EADGYTH, daughter of --- (-after 11 Nov 1021). Florence of Worcester records that King Canute expelled "Turkillum…comitem cum uxore sua Edgitha" from England 11 Nov, dated to 1021[15]. Presumably Thorkill married her after joining forces with Æthelred II King of England. Freeman says that "I suspect that it was Eadric´s widow whom Thurkill married. At the same time I cannot lay my hand on any authority for Thurkill´s wife being a daughter of Æthelred; but it is very likely and such a connection would account for Cnut´s jealousy of him"[16]. If this is correct, she was Eadgyth, widow of Eadric "Streona/the Acquisitor" Ealdorman of Mercia, daughter of Æthelred II King of England & his first wife Ælfgifu. However, this would place the marriage to after 25 Dec 1017, when Eadric "Streona" was murdered, during the reign of King Canute who would most likely have arranged or approved the marriage, suggesting that it is illogical to suggest that the marriage would have been the basis for "Cnut´s jealousy"."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Cerdic 2): “A10. [1m.] Edith; 1m: ca 1007/09 Edric Streona, Ealdorman of Mercia (+executed 1017); 2m: Thurcytel Thorgils Havi (+killed 1039), a Danish Earl”.¹¹

     Eadric Streona (?) Ealdorman of Mercia married Eadgyth/Edith (?) of Wessex, daughter of Aethelred II "The UnraedRedeless" (?) The Redeless and Elgiva/Aelfgifu/Elfreda (?), between 1007 and 1009
; her 1st husband.^1,2
Eadric Streona (?) Ealdorman of Mercia died in 1017; executed.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Burke's Guide to the Royal Family London, 1973 , Reference: 190.²

     Jarl Thorkell "Hávi/the Tall" (?) married Eadgyth/Edith (?) of Wessex, daughter of Aethelred II "The UnraedRedeless" (?) The Redeless and Elgiva/Aelfgifu/Elfreda (?),
; her 2nd husband.^4,1,2
Jarl Thorkell "Hávi/the Tall" (?) died in 1039; Killed. Genealogics says d. abt 1024; Genealogy.EU (Cerdic) says d. 1039.^5,6,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Jarl Thorkell "Hávi/the Tall" (?) was also known as Earl Thurcytel Thorgils Havi.⁴

; Per Genealogy.EU (Cerdic 2): “A10. [1m.] Edith; 1m: ca 1007/09 Edric Streona, Ealdorman of Mercia (+executed 1017); 2m: Thurcytel Thorgils Havi (+killed 1039), a Danish Earl”.⁷

; Per Med Lands:
     "THORKELL "Havi/the Tall" (-killed in battle 1039). Snorre names "Heming and Thorkel the Tall" as brothers of Sigvalde[2]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records the arrival at Sandwich 1 Aug 1009 of an "immense hostile host", one manuscript specifying "to which we gave the name of Thurkil´s host", which invaded Kent, the Isle of Wight, Sussex, Hampshire and Berkshire, before returning to Kent to take up "winter-quarters on the Thames" and the following year invading East Anglia and other parts of England, culminating in the kidnap and murder of Ælfheah Archbishop of Canterbury[3]. Florence of Worcester records that "Danicus comes Turkillus" invaded England with a fleet, dated to 1009 from the context, and that other fleets led by "duces Hemingus et Eglafus" landed in August at "Tenedland" [Thanet] after which the invaders joined forces to devastate Kent, the Isle of Wight, Sussex and Southampton, and establish themselves in the Thames valley for the winter[4]. He and his 3000 Jömvikings (named after the military community at the fortress of Jömsborg at the mouth of the River Oder) were hired as mercenaries to help the defence of England by Æthelred II King of England at the end of 1012 for 48,000 pounds of silver[5]. William of Malmesbury that "Turkill the Dane, who had been the chief cause of the archbishop´s murder, had settled in England and held the East Angles under subjection" and that he "sent messengers to Suane king of Denmark inviting him to come to England"[6]. William of Malmesbury´s version of the death of "Dunsten" (presumably an error for Ælfheah) archbishop of Canterbury is contradicted by Thietmar who, stating that he relates the events as recounted by an eye-witness "Sewaldi", records that "Thurkilo" tried to hinder the murder[7]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records the invasion of England led by Svend King of Denmark in 1013, stating that the invaders "went east to London" where "the citizens would not submit…because King Æthelred was inside and Thurkil with him"[8]. Thorkell defected back to join Knud's invasion fleet in Aug 1015 and fought with the Danes at Ashington in Oct 1016. Earl of East Anglia. William of Malmesbury records that Canute King of England divided the kingdom into four parts "he himself took the West Saxons, Edric the Mercians, Turkill the East Angles, Iric the Northumbrians", adding that "in process of time…Turkill and Iric were driven out of the kingdom and sought their native land" and that "the first, who had been the instigator of the murder of the blessed Elfeg, was killed by the chiefs the moment he touched the Danish shore" (the latter point being shown to be incorrect by the subsequent references to Thorkell)[9]. Simeon of Durham records that King Canute granted East Anglia to "earl Turkill" in 1017[10]. It is probable that the king appointed him regent of England in 1019, during his absence in Denmark. Florence of Worcester records that King Canute expelled "Turkillum…comitem cum uxore sua Edgitha" from England 11 Nov, dated to 1021[11]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that King Canute outlawed "earl Thurkil" 11 Nov 1021[12], but adds in a later passage that the two of them entered a pact of reconciliation in 1023 under which Thorkell would govern Denmark, keeping each other's sons as hostages[13]. He remained regent for about three years, being replaced by Ulf, Knud's brother-in-law. He was killed by the Welsh[14].
     "m EADGYTH, daughter of --- (-after 11 Nov 1021). Florence of Worcester records that King Canute expelled "Turkillum…comitem cum uxore sua Edgitha" from England 11 Nov, dated to 1021[15]. Presumably Thorkill married her after joining forces with Æthelred II King of England. Freeman says that "I suspect that it was Eadric´s widow whom Thurkill married. At the same time I cannot lay my hand on any authority for Thurkill´s wife being a daughter of Æthelred; but it is very likely and such a connection would account for Cnut´s jealousy of him"[16]. If this is correct, she was Eadgyth, widow of Eadric "Streona/the Acquisitor" Ealdorman of Mercia, daughter of Æthelred II King of England & his first wife Ælfgifu. However, this would place the marriage to after 25 Dec 1017, when Eadric "Streona" was murdered, during the reign of King Canute who would most likely have arranged or approved the marriage, suggesting that it is illogical to suggest that the marriage would have been the basis for "Cnut´s jealousy"."
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; Per Med Lands:
     "Snorre names "Heming and Thorkel the Tall" as brothers of Sigvalde[26]. Together with his brother, a leaders of the Danish invasion of England in 1009."
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     Jarl Harald Thorkilsen (?) married Gunhild Burislawsdatter (?) of the Wends, daughter of Burislaw (?) Prince of the Wenden and Tyre Haraldsdatter (?) Princess of Denmark, Queen of Norway, in 1031
;
Her 2nd husband.^2,1,7,3,8,4
Jarl Harald Thorkilsen (?) died on 13 November 1042 at Holstein, Netherlands (now); Killed. Med Lands says murdered 1043.^1,2,3,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Nachkommen Gorms des Alten 1978. , S. Otto Brenner, Reference: 30.³

; Per Med Lands:
     "HARALD Thorkilsen (-murdered 1043). It is possible that Harald was the unnamed son of Thorkell who was delivered as a hostage to Canute King of England when Thorkell was reconciled with the king and appointed regent in Denmark in 1023[17]. If this is correct, the dates suggest it is unlikely that he was the son of Thorkell´s marriage to Eadgyth. Harald was murdered by Ordulf of Saxony, who had married a sister of Magnus King of Norway. m ([1031]) as her second husband, GUNHILD of the Wends, widow of HAKON Eiriksson Jarl in Norway, daughter of BURISLAW Prince of the Wends & his wife [Tyre Haraldsdatter of Denmark] (-after 1045). Florence of Worcester names "the noble lady Gunhilda daughter of king Wyrtgeorn by Canute's sister and successively the wife of earls Hakon and Harold" when recording that she was banished from England in 1044 with her two sons Haakon and Harald and went to Bruges, later to Denmark[18]. It is not, however, certain that Gunhild was the daughter of Burislaw by his wife Tyre of Denmark. If this was the case, she was the first cousin of her first husband. Gunhild is named "kinswoman of King Cnut" in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, when recording that she was expelled from England in 1045 and for a long time thereafter lived at Bruges before going to Denmark[19].
     "Harald & his wife had two children:
i) HAAKON (-after 1044). Florence of Worcester records that he and his brother were banished from England in 1044 with their mother[20].
ii) HARALD (-after 1044). Florence of Worcester records that he and his brother were banished from England in 1044 with their mother[21]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
     "GUNHILD (-after 1045). Gunhild must have been much younger than her sisters who are named above if the date of her first marriage is correct. Florence of Worcester names "the noble lady Gunhilda daughter of king Wyrtgeorn by Canute's sister and successively the wife of earls Hakon and Harold" when recording that she was banished from England in 1044 with her two sons Haakon and Harald and went to Bruges, later to Denmark[50]. It is not, however, certain that Gunhild was the daughter of Burislaw by his wife Tyre of Denmark as it would mean that she was the first cousin of her first husband. Gunhild is named "kinswoman of King Cnut" in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, when recording that she was expelled from England in 1045 and for a long time thereafter lived at Bruges before going to Denmark[51].
     "m firstly (1029) HAKON Eiriksson Jarl in Norway, son of ERIK Hakonsson Earl of Northumbria & his wife Gyda Svendsdatter ([998]-drowned Pentland Firth 1030 before 29 Jul[52]). According to Florence of Worcester, "Hakon a Danish earl who had married the noble lady Gunilda, his [=King Canute's] sister's daughter by Wyrtgeorn king of the Winidi" was banished from England in 1029 by King Canute "for he feared that the earl would take either his life or his kingdom"[53].
     "m secondly ([1031]) HARALD Thorkilsen Jarl, son of THORKIL "Havi/the Tall" Ealdorman of East Anglia & his [first] wife --- (after 1017-murdered 1043)."
Med Lands cites:

     Gunhild Burislawsdatter (?) of the Wends married Håkon Eriksson (?) Jarl in Norway, son of Eirik Håkonsson (?) Reichsverweser/Jarl of Norway, Jarl in Northumbria and Gyda Svendsdatter (?) of Denmark, circa 1029
;
Her 1st husband.^{4,9,3,10,11,12} Gunhild Burislawsdatter (?) of the Wends married Jarl Harald Thorkilsen (?), son of Jarl Thorkell "Hávi/the Tall" (?) and Eadgyth/Edith (?) of Wessex, in 1031
;
Her 2nd husband.^{1,2,3,13,12,14}
Gunhild Burislawsdatter (?) of the Wends died after 1045.¹²
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "HARALD Thorkilsen (-murdered 1043). It is possible that Harald was the unnamed son of Thorkell who was delivered as a hostage to Canute King of England when Thorkell was reconciled with the king and appointed regent in Denmark in 1023[17]. If this is correct, the dates suggest it is unlikely that he was the son of Thorkell´s marriage to Eadgyth. Harald was murdered by Ordulf of Saxony, who had married a sister of Magnus King of Norway. m ([1031]) as her second husband, GUNHILD of the Wends, widow of HAKON Eiriksson Jarl in Norway, daughter of BURISLAW Prince of the Wends & his wife [Tyre Haraldsdatter of Denmark] (-after 1045). Florence of Worcester names "the noble lady Gunhilda daughter of king Wyrtgeorn by Canute's sister and successively the wife of earls Hakon and Harold" when recording that she was banished from England in 1044 with her two sons Haakon and Harald and went to Bruges, later to Denmark[18]. It is not, however, certain that Gunhild was the daughter of Burislaw by his wife Tyre of Denmark. If this was the case, she was the first cousin of her first husband. Gunhild is named "kinswoman of King Cnut" in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, when recording that she was expelled from England in 1045 and for a long time thereafter lived at Bruges before going to Denmark[19].
     "Harald & his wife had two children:
i) HAAKON (-after 1044). Florence of Worcester records that he and his brother were banished from England in 1044 with their mother[20].
ii) HARALD (-after 1044). Florence of Worcester records that he and his brother were banished from England in 1044 with their mother[21]."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Nachkommen Gorms des Alten 1978. , S. Otto Brenner, Reference: 33.³

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUNHILD (-after 1045). Gunhild must have been much younger than her sisters who are named above if the date of her first marriage is correct. Florence of Worcester names "the noble lady Gunhilda daughter of king Wyrtgeorn by Canute's sister and successively the wife of earls Hakon and Harold" when recording that she was banished from England in 1044 with her two sons Haakon and Harald and went to Bruges, later to Denmark[50]. It is not, however, certain that Gunhild was the daughter of Burislaw by his wife Tyre of Denmark as it would mean that she was the first cousin of her first husband. Gunhild is named "kinswoman of King Cnut" in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, when recording that she was expelled from England in 1045 and for a long time thereafter lived at Bruges before going to Denmark[51].
     "m firstly (1029) HAKON Eiriksson Jarl in Norway, son of ERIK Hakonsson Earl of Northumbria & his wife Gyda Svendsdatter ([998]-drowned Pentland Firth 1030 before 29 Jul[52]). According to Florence of Worcester, "Hakon a Danish earl who had married the noble lady Gunilda, his [=King Canute's] sister's daughter by Wyrtgeorn king of the Winidi" was banished from England in 1029 by King Canute "for he feared that the earl would take either his life or his kingdom"[53].
     "m secondly ([1031]) HARALD Thorkilsen Jarl, son of THORKIL "Havi/the Tall" Ealdorman of East Anglia & his [first] wife --- (after 1017-murdered 1043)."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "HAAKON Eriksson ([997/98]-drowned Pentland Firth 1030 before 29 Jul[111]). Snorre records the birth of Haakon, son of Eirik & his wife the year after his parents' marriage[112]. He left Norway in [1016/17] after being captured by King Olav, finding refuge in England with King Canute[113]. Jarl in Norway, he was installed as regent of Norway 1028 by Knud King of Denmark after the expulsion of King Olav II. According to Florence of Worcester, "Hakon a Danish earl who had married the noble lady Gunilda, his [=King Canute's] sister's daughter by Wyrtgeorn king of the Winidi" was banished from England in 1029 by King Canute "for he feared that the earl would take either his life or his kingdom"[114]. He was drowned while returning to Norway from England.
     "m ([1029]) as her first husband, GUNHILD of the Wends, daughter of BURISLAW Prince of the Wends & his wife [Tyre Haraldsdatter of Denmark] (-after 1045). Florence of Worcester names "the noble lady Gunhilda daughter of king Wyrtgeorn by Canute's sister and successively the wife of earls Hakon and Harold" when recording that she was banished from England in 1044 with her two sons Haakon and Harald and went to Bruges, later to Denmark[115]. It is not, however, certain that Gunhild was the daughter of Burislaw by his wife Tyre of Denmark. If this was the case, she was the first cousin of her first husband. Gunhild is named "kinswoman of King Cnut" in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, when recording that she was expelled from England in 1045 and for a long time thereafter lived at Bruges before going to Denmark[116]. She married secondly ([1031]) Harald Thorkilsen Jarl."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Norway 4): “D1. Hakon Eiriksson, Jarl in Norway (998-1030), *ca 998, +ca 1030; m.ca 1029 Gunhild, dau.of Wyrtgeorn of the Wends”.¹⁵

     Wulfhilda (?) of Wessex married Ulfcytel Snilling (?) Ealdorman of East Anglia.^1,8

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 78.²

     Ulfcytel Snilling (?) Ealdorman of East Anglia married Wulfhilda (?) of Wessex, daughter of Aethelred II "The UnraedRedeless" (?) The Redeless and Elgiva/Aelfgifu/Elfreda (?).^1,2

Ulfcytel Snilling (?) Ealdorman of East Anglia died in 1016; killed.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 78.²

     Edgiva (?) of Wessex married Earl Athelstan (?)^4,1

     Reference: Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 78.¹

     Earl Athelstan (?) married Edgiva (?) of Wessex, daughter of Aethelred II "The UnraedRedeless" (?) The Redeless and Elgiva/Aelfgifu/Elfreda (?).^1,2

Earl Athelstan (?) died in May 1010; killed in battle.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 78.¹

     NN (?) of Wessex, Abbess of Wherwell died after 1051.^1,5
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 78.²

     Alberic de Coucy married Adele (?) de Mantes, daughter of Dreux (Drogo, Drew, Walter) de Mantes Comte de Mantes et d'Amiens and Godgifu/Goda (?) of Wessex.^3,1

     GAV-27.

     Jean de Coucy died in 1037.¹
     GAV-28.

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 175.¹

     Adele (?) de Mantes married Alberic de Coucy, son of Jean de Coucy.^1,5

     GAV-28.

     Hugues II (?) Comte de Maine died before 991 at Poitou-Charentes, Nouvelle Aquitaine, France (now); The Henry Project says d. 976x992.^1,3
Hugues II (?) Comte de Maine was buried in 991 at Cathedrale St-Julien du Mans, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
     DEATH     991, Poitou-Charentes, France
     Count of Maine. Counts and Dukes of Maine, with their capital at Le Mans. In the thirteenth century it was annexed by France to the royal domain.
     Family Members
     Parents
      Hugues I du Maine 900–933
     Children
      Hugues III du Maine unknown–1015
     BURIAL     Cathedrale St-Julien du Mans, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 30 May 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 147173265.⁸
     GAV-28.

; This is the same person as ”Hugues II” at The Henry Project.³

Reference: Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 692.¹
; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].^7,9

     Christina (?) of Wessex was born between 1047 and 1050 at Hungary.¹
Christina (?) of Wessex died circa 1102 at Romsey Abbey, co. Hampshire, England.¹
      ; Abbess of Romsey.¹

; Leo van de Pas cites: Burke's Guide to the Royal Family London, 1973 , Reference: 191.²

     Emme de Château-Gontier married Girard II de Chabot Sire de Rays/Retz, sn de Châteaugontier circa 1264
; his 1st wife.^1,2
Emme de Château-Gontier died before 1271.¹

     Marguerite de Mont-Saint-Jean married Alexandre II de Montagu sn de Bussy, son of Eudes I (?) Seigneur de Montagu and Elisabeth de Courtenay, circa 1244.³
Marguerite de Mont-Saint-Jean married Girard II de Chabot Sire de Rays/Retz, sn de Châteaugontier before 1289
; his 3rd wife.¹

     Baudoin (?) d'Avesnes, sn de Beaumont was born in September 1219.^1,2 He married (?) (?) of Kujavia, daughter of Saronicus (?) of Kujavia, between 1239 and 1240
; his 1st wife.^1,2
Baudoin (?) d'Avesnes, sn de Beaumont died on 10 April 1295 at age 75.^1,2 He married Felicite de Coucy, daughter of Thomas II de Coucy Seigneur de Vervins and Mahaut/Maud de Réthel Dame de Trie-le-Badoul, before March 1326
; Genealogy.EU (Flanders 3 page) says m. "before III.1326" ?!?^1,2

     Felicite de Coucy was born before 1241.¹
Felicite de Coucy died in 1307.¹ She married Baudoin (?) d'Avesnes, sn de Beaumont, son of Bouchard (?) sn d'Avesnes et d'Etroen, Bailiff of Hainault and Marguerite II (?) comtesse de Flandres, Hainaut, Mons, Valenciennes, Ostrevant, before March 1326
; Genealogy.EU (Flanders 3 page) says m. "before III.1326" ?!?^5,3
     EDV-23.

     (?) (?) of Kujavia married Baudoin (?) d'Avesnes, sn de Beaumont, son of Bouchard (?) sn d'Avesnes et d'Etroen, Bailiff of Hainault and Marguerite II (?) comtesse de Flandres, Hainaut, Mons, Valenciennes, Ostrevant, between 1239 and 1240
; his 1st wife.^1,2
      ; a dau.of Saronicus of Kujavia.¹

     Mechtild (?) von Tübingen married Burchard V von Zollern Graf von Hohenberg, son of Burchard IV (?) Graf von Zollern u. Hohenberg.^1,6,2,7

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "BURCHARD [V] von Zollern, son of [BURCHARD [IV] Graf von Zollern und Hohenberg & his wife ---] (-14 Jul 1253, bur Kirchberg). Graf von Hohenberg. A charter dated 25 Jun 1252 confirms the donation by "Comes Burchardus de Honberch" to Kloster Reuthin[548]. He was killed by lightning[549].
     "m MECHTILD von Tübingen, daughter of RUDOLF [II] Pfalzgraf von Tüblingen & his wife --- von Ronsberg. The Annales Sindelfingenses record that "regina Rudolfi" was "filia sororis comitis Rudolfi de Tuwingen"[550]. 1233. "
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 126.⁹

; Per Med Lands: "MECHTILD von Tübingen . 1233. The Annales Sindelfingenses record that "regina Rudolfi" was "filia sororis comitis Rudolfi de Tuwingen"[945]. m BURCHARD [V] Graf von Hohenberg, son of [BURCHARD IV Graf von Zollern und Hohenberg & his wife ---] (-14 Jul 1253, bur Kirchberg)."
Med Lands cites: [945] Annales Sindelfingenses 1277, MGH SS XVII, p. 302.¹⁰ Mechtild (?) von Tübingen was living in 1233.²

     Arnoul IV de Morialmé Avoué d’Hanzinnes et de Fosse, seigneur de Ham-sur-Heure, Loverval married Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul.^1,2,3

Arnoul IV de Morialmé Avoué d’Hanzinnes et de Fosse, seigneur de Ham-sur-Heure, Loverval died in 1218.³
     GAV-22.

     Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul married Arnoul IV de Morialmé Avoué d’Hanzinnes et de Fosse, seigneur de Ham-sur-Heure, Loverval, son of Gottschalk III de Morialmé seigneur de Morialmé, Sautour, Avoué de Fosse and Hedwige de Ham.^2,3,1

     GAV-22. Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul was also known as Jeanne de Beloeil.^2,3

     Gottschalk III de Morialmé seigneur de Morialmé, Sautour, Avoué de Fosse married Hedwige de Ham.^2,4

      ; Thursday, 19 April, 2007

Hello All,

An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as
Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.

The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?

Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.

Cheers,

John

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<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
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I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
______________I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
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I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
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I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
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I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
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I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
_______________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9

Wikipedia, on Morialmé

Historique [modifier]
la première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos
régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé.
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* John P. Ravilious.³ Gottschalk III de Morialmé seigneur de Morialmé, Sautour, Avoué de Fosse was participant in the 3rd Crusade with the Emperor Frederick.^3,4 GAV-23.

     Hedwige de Ham married Gottschalk III de Morialmé seigneur de Morialmé, Sautour, Avoué de Fosse, son of Arnoul III de Morialmé 5th seigneur de Morialmé and Ida van der Aa.^1,2

     GAV-23.

     Arnold II (?) Graf von Kleve died after 1134.^1,2
     He was Count of Cleves between 1198 and 1201.¹

     Dietrich II-IV (?) Graf von Kleve married Adelheid von Sulzbach, daughter of Gebhard III von Sulzbach Graf von Sulzbach and Mathilde (?) von Bayern.^1,6,7,2,3,8
Dietrich II-IV (?) Graf von Kleve was born circa 1130.^1,2
Dietrich II-IV (?) Graf von Kleve died circa 1172.^1,2,3
     Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Genealogics: "Dietrich was the son of Arnold I, Graf von Kleve, and Ida de Louvain. He probably began his rule by 1148 or 1149, but certainly by 1150. Dietrich married Adelheid von Sulzbach, daughter of Gebhard III, Graf von Sulzbach, and Mathilde of Bavaria. Their sons Dietrich V and Arnold III and daughter Aleida would have progeny. The poet Heinrich von Veldeke (bef.1150 to 1190-1200), in his _Eneasroman,_ claimed that he was present at the wedding of Dietrich's daughter Margarethe with Ludwig III, Landgraf von Thüringen. She was repudiated by Ludwig. Dietrich died in 1172 and was succeeded by Dietrich V."²



; Per Med Lands:
     "DIETRICH [II] von Kleve, son of ARNOLD I Graf von Kleve & his wife Ida de Louvain (-[27 Apr] 1172). "Theodericus…comes in Clivis, Arnoldi comitis et Ide comitisse filius" donated property by charter dated 1163[1139]. Graf von Kleve. "Theodericus comes in Cleue et Aleidis uxor mea" donated property to Kloster Bedburg, for the anniversaries "X Kal Mar…patris mei Arnoldi comitis et VI Kal Aug matris mee Ide comitisse", by charter dated 1162[1140]. “...Theodericus comes de Cleve...” witnessed the charter dated 1166 under which Reinald Archbishop of Köln confirmed privileges of Kloster Althoff[1141]. The Annales Egmundani record the death in 1172 of "Theodericus comes de Cleve"[1142].
     "m ADELHEID von Sulzbach, daughter of GEBHARD [III] Graf von Sulzbach & his wife Mathilde of Bavaria (-10 Sep 1189). "Theodericus comes in Cleue et Aleidis uxor mea" donated property to Kloster Bedburg, for the anniversaries "X Kal Mar…patris mei Arnoldi comitis et VI Kal Aug matris mee Ide comitisse", by charter dated 1162[1143]. "Theodericus…comes de Cliuo" donated the island between Wissel and Rees on the river Rhine to Kloster Camp, with the consent of "matre nostra comitissa Aleide et fratre nostro Arnoldo", by charter dated 1188[1144]. Gerhard Abbot of Camp confirmed the donation of property made by "comitissa Aleidis de Cliuo", for "defunctis patris eius comitis Geuehardi et comitis Theoderici", by charter dated to [1188][1145]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELHEID (-10 Sep 1189). "Theodericus comes in Cleue et Aleidis uxor mea" donated property to Kloster Bedburg, for the anniversaries "X Kal Mar…patris mei Arnoldi comitis et VI Kal Aug matris mee Ide comitisse", by charter dated 1162[1882]. "Theodericus…comes de Cliuo" donated the island between Wissel and Rees on the river Rhine to Kloster Camp, with the consent of "matre nostra comitissa Aleide et fratre nostro Arnoldo", by charter dated 1188[1883]. Gerhard Abbot of Camp confirmed the donation of property made by "comitissa Aleidis de Cliuo", for "defunctis patris eius comitis Geuehardi et comitis Theoderici", by charter dated to [1188][1884].
     "m DIETRICH [II] Graf von Kleve, son of ARNOLD I Graf von Kleve & his wife Ida de Louvain (-[27 Apr] 1172)."
Med Lands cites: He was Count of Cleves between 1147 and 1172.^1,9

     Adelheid von Sulzbach married Dietrich II-IV (?) Graf von Kleve, son of Arnold II (?) Graf von Kleve and Ida (?) de Louvain.^1,2,3,8,9,4

Adelheid von Sulzbach died on 10 September 1189.^1,3,4
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "DIETRICH [II] von Kleve, son of ARNOLD I Graf von Kleve & his wife Ida de Louvain (-[27 Apr] 1172). "Theodericus…comes in Clivis, Arnoldi comitis et Ide comitisse filius" donated property by charter dated 1163[1139]. Graf von Kleve. "Theodericus comes in Cleue et Aleidis uxor mea" donated property to Kloster Bedburg, for the anniversaries "X Kal Mar…patris mei Arnoldi comitis et VI Kal Aug matris mee Ide comitisse", by charter dated 1162[1140]. “...Theodericus comes de Cleve...” witnessed the charter dated 1166 under which Reinald Archbishop of Köln confirmed privileges of Kloster Althoff[1141]. The Annales Egmundani record the death in 1172 of "Theodericus comes de Cleve"[1142].
     "m ADELHEID von Sulzbach, daughter of GEBHARD [III] Graf von Sulzbach & his wife Mathilde of Bavaria (-10 Sep 1189). "Theodericus comes in Cleue et Aleidis uxor mea" donated property to Kloster Bedburg, for the anniversaries "X Kal Mar…patris mei Arnoldi comitis et VI Kal Aug matris mee Ide comitisse", by charter dated 1162[1143]. "Theodericus…comes de Cliuo" donated the island between Wissel and Rees on the river Rhine to Kloster Camp, with the consent of "matre nostra comitissa Aleide et fratre nostro Arnoldo", by charter dated 1188[1144]. Gerhard Abbot of Camp confirmed the donation of property made by "comitissa Aleidis de Cliuo", for "defunctis patris eius comitis Geuehardi et comitis Theoderici", by charter dated to [1188][1145]."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 21.²

; Per Genalogy.EU: "Adelheid, +12.2.1189; m.Gf Dietrich III of Cleves (+ca 1172.)³"



; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELHEID (-10 Sep 1189). "Theodericus comes in Cleue et Aleidis uxor mea" donated property to Kloster Bedburg, for the anniversaries "X Kal Mar…patris mei Arnoldi comitis et VI Kal Aug matris mee Ide comitisse", by charter dated 1162[1882]. "Theodericus…comes de Cliuo" donated the island between Wissel and Rees on the river Rhine to Kloster Camp, with the consent of "matre nostra comitissa Aleide et fratre nostro Arnoldo", by charter dated 1188[1883]. Gerhard Abbot of Camp confirmed the donation of property made by "comitissa Aleidis de Cliuo", for "defunctis patris eius comitis Geuehardi et comitis Theoderici", by charter dated to [1188][1884].
     "m DIETRICH [II] Graf von Kleve, son of ARNOLD I Graf von Kleve & his wife Ida de Louvain (-[27 Apr] 1172)."
Med Lands cites: She was living in 1162.²

     Unknown von Kleve married Eberhard I (?) Graf von Berg und Altena, son of Adolf IV von Hövel Graf von Berg & Hövel and Irmgard von Sponheim.^3,4

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "[daughter . One table in Europäische Stammtafeln records “N v Kleve T v Gf Arnold I” as the wife of Eberhard Graf von Altena[1138]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.
     "m EBERHARD Graf von Altena, son of ADOLF [II] Graf von Berg & his second wife [Irmgard von Sponheim/--- von Schwarzenberg] (-23 Jan 1180, bur Altenberg).]"
Med Lands cites: [1138] ES XVIII 2.³

; Per Med LANDS:
     "EBERHARD von Berg, son of ADOLF [II] Graf von Berg & his second wife [Irmgard von Sponheim/--- von Schwarzenberg] (-23 Jan 1180, bur Altenberg). Levoldus’s mid-14th century Chronica Comitum de Marka names “Fredericum et Brunonem qui in Colonia promoti archiepiscopi...extiterunt...et Everhardum et Engelbertum” as the sons of “Adulphus comes”[2]. Wolbero Abbot of Köln St. Pantaleon restored "subadvocat[um] in villa nostra Huttorp", removed from “subadvocatus...Gumpertus cum matre sua Gerdrude”, to “comite Adolpho” by charter dated to [1151/53], witnessed by “ipse comes Adolphus, filius eius Euerhardus...”[3]. Graf von Altena 1161. Reinald Archbishop of Köln confirmed the property of Kloster Altenburg by charter dated 1166 witnessed by "…Albertus comes de Molbach, Willelmus comes Iuliacensis, Comes Euerardus de Altina et frater eius comes Engilbertus…"[4]. “...Comes Euerhardus de Altena et filius eius Arnoldus...” witnessed the charter dated 1166 under which Reinald Archbishop of Köln sold property to “Helmwico militi de Holthusen” for Gladbach monastery[5]. “Otto quondam comes in Capenberg et postea prepositus eiusdem loci...Euerhardus comes Engelbertus frater eius, Arnoldus comes, nobilis Euerwinus de Holte, Gerhardus nobilis in Colonia” witnessed the charter dated 1170 under which Philipp Archbishop of Köln confirmed an agreement between Kloster Cappenberg and the canons of Xanten[6]. A memorial in Altenburg records the death “X Kal Feb” 1180 of “Everhardus de Alzena comes et hujus loci benefactor”[7].
     "Secondary sources are contradictory regarding the identity of Eberhard’s wife:
     "[m --- von Kleve, daughter of ARNOLD [I] von Kleve & his wife Ida de Louvain. One table in Europäische Stammtafeln records “N v Kleve T v Gf Arnold I” as the wife of Eberhard Graf von Altena[8]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified, although Eberhard naming his son Arnold is suggestive that the Kleve origin of his wife may be correct.]
     "[m ADELHEID von Arnsberg, daughter of GOTTFRIED [I] Graf von Arnsberg [Kuyc] & his wife Ida [Jutta] von Arnsberg (-after 1200). One table in Europäische Stammtafeln records “Adelheid von Arnsberg T v Gf Heinrich v A-Rietberg” as the wife of Eberhard Graf von Altena, while another table names her father as Graf Gottfried (which is more likely from a chronological point of view)[9]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Abbess of Meschede and Ödingen 1200.]"
Med Lands cites: