The Treasurer (?) Count of Autunois & Chaumois

M, #6721, b. circa 825, d. between 854 and 916
FatherChildebrand II (?) Lord of Perracy b. c 765, d. 826
MotherDunne (?) d'Autun b. c 770, d. bt 826 - 865
ReferenceGAV32 EDV32
Last Edited20 Feb 2003
     The Treasurer (?) Count of Autunois & Chaumois was born circa 825.1
The Treasurer (?) Count of Autunois & Chaumois died between 854 and 916; date is WFT estimate.1
     GAV-32 EDV-32 GKJ-33.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).

Childebrand II (?) Lord of Perracy

M, #6722, b. circa 765, d. 826
FatherThe Historian (?) Lord of Perracy & Hesburg b. c 740, d. 768
ReferenceGAV33 EDV33
Last Edited19 Feb 2003
     Childebrand II (?) Lord of Perracy was born circa 765.1 He married Dunne (?) d'Autun between 784 and 811; WFT Est.1
Childebrand II (?) Lord of Perracy died in 826.1
     GAV-33 EDV-33 GKJ-34.

Family

Dunne (?) d'Autun b. c 770, d. bt 826 - 865
Child

Citations

  1. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).

Dunne (?) d'Autun

F, #6723, b. circa 770, d. between 826 and 865
ReferenceGAV33 EDV33
Last Edited17 Nov 2003
     Dunne (?) d'Autun was born circa 770.1 She married Childebrand II (?) Lord of Perracy, son of The Historian (?) Lord of Perracy & Hesburg, between 784 and 811; WFT Est.1
Dunne (?) d'Autun died between 826 and 865; WFT Est.1
     GAV-33 EDV-33 GKJ-34.

Family

Childebrand II (?) Lord of Perracy b. c 765, d. 826
Child

Citations

  1. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).

The Historian (?) Lord of Perracy & Hesburg

M, #6724, b. circa 740, d. 768
FatherChildebrand I (?) Lord of Perracy & Bougy b. c 690, d. bt 741 - 782
MotherRolande (?) b. c 700, d. bt 742 - 795
ReferenceGAV34 EDV34
Last Edited20 Feb 2003
     The Historian (?) Lord of Perracy & Hesburg was born circa 740.1 He married an unknown person between 758 and 767; date is WFT estimate.1
The Historian (?) Lord of Perracy & Hesburg died in 768.1
     GAV-34 EDV-34 GKJ-35.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).

Childebrand I (?) Lord of Perracy & Bougy

M, #6725, b. circa 690, d. between 741 and 782
FatherPepin II (?) of Heristal b. 635, d. 15 Nov 714
MotherAlpaisAlpaidaAlpaïdis (?) of Saxony b. 654, d. 16 Dec 714
ReferenceGAV35 EDV35
Last Edited19 Feb 2003
     Childebrand I (?) Lord of Perracy & Bougy was born circa 690.1 He married Rolande (?) between 712 and 743; WFT Est.1
Childebrand I (?) Lord of Perracy & Bougy died between 741 and 782; WFT Est.1
     GAV-35 EDV-35 GKJ-36.

Family

Rolande (?) b. c 700, d. bt 742 - 795
Child

Citations

  1. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).

Rolande (?)

F, #6726, b. circa 700, d. between 742 and 795
ReferenceGAV35 EDV35
Last Edited19 Feb 2003
     Rolande (?) was born circa 700.1 She married Childebrand I (?) Lord of Perracy & Bougy, son of Pepin II (?) of Heristal and AlpaisAlpaidaAlpaïdis (?) of Saxony, between 712 and 743; WFT Est.1
Rolande (?) died between 742 and 795; date is WFT estimate.1
     GAV-35 EDV35 GKJ-36.

Family

Childebrand I (?) Lord of Perracy & Bougy b. c 690, d. bt 741 - 782
Child

Citations

  1. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).

Hartnid (Hardouin) «dit Nobilis puella» (?)1,2,3

M, #6727, b. circa 797, d. after 836
FatherAngilbert "the Saint" (?) Governor of Ponthieu, Abbe of St. Richaire1,2,3,4,5,6 b. c 750, d. 18 Feb 814
MotherBertha/Bertrada (?)1,2,7,8,6 b. c 779, d. a 14 Jan 823
Last Edited29 May 2020
     Hartnid (Hardouin) «dit Nobilis puella» (?) was born circa 797.1,2,3 He married (?) (?) d'Amiens, daughter of Richard (?) d'Amiens, circa 820.3
Hartnid (Hardouin) «dit Nobilis puella» (?) died after 836.3
     Hartnid (Hardouin) «dit Nobilis puella» (?)
Leo van der Pas cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 70.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hartnid: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020035&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boubers1.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Angilbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020033&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Angilbertdied814. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Ponthieu, & Montreuil, Saint-Pol, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Ponthieu.pdf
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bertha: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020032&tree=LEO
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille & Seigneurs de BOUBERS (1), p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boubers1.pdf

Gundrada/Gundradis (?)1,2

F, #6728, b. between 800 and 810, d. before 814
FatherPepin/Pippin I Karlmann (?) King of Italy1,2 b. Apr 773, d. 8 Jul 810
MotherChrothais (?)1
Last Edited12 Nov 2003
     Gundrada/Gundradis (?) was born between 800 and 810.1
Gundrada/Gundradis (?) died before 814.1
     Gundrada/Gundradis (?)
Leo van de Pas cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference 67.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gundrada/Gundradis: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331025&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Unruoch di Friuli Count of Ternois1

M, #6729, d. before 853
FatherBerenger (?)2 b. c 730
ReferenceGAV32 EDV33
Last Edited18 Apr 2020
     Unruoch di Friuli Count of Ternois was born circa 760.3 He married Engletrude (?) de Paris, daughter of Bego/Begue I (?) Comte de Paris, Marquis of Septimanie and Alpaïs/Alpaide (?) Princess of the Holy Roman Empire.4,1,5
Unruoch di Friuli Count of Ternois died before 853; Med Lands says d. "13 Nov before 853."1,5
     Unruoch di Friuli Count of Ternois
Per Med Lands:
     "UNRUOCH, son of --- (-13 Nov before 853). A list of Saxons in Westphalia dated Jan/Feb 802 records that "Adalgaudum filium Suigaut habuit Unrocus comis", presumably indicating that the last named had responsibility for the allegiance sworn to the emperor by the first-named[600]. "Comiti Hadalhardus, Fulradus, Unrocus seu Hrocculfus" are named as imperial missi in a document of Emperor Charlemagne dated 806[601]. Einhard names "Unruochus comes" as one of the 15 witnesses of the testament of Emperor Charlemagne dated 811[602]. Einhard's Annales record "Unrochus comes" as one of the signatories of peace with the Vikings in 811[603]. Comte en Ternois 839. "Unrici comitis" signed a charter dated 20 Jun 839 issued by "Folquinus…Morinorum episcopus"[604]. "Undrici comitis" signed a charter dated 29 Jun 839 issued by "Hugo abbas…Sithiensis"[605]. Monk at St Bertin[606].
     "m ENGELTRUDE, daughter of ---. The primary source which names Engeltrude as wife of Unruoch and mother of his children has not yet been identified."
Med Lands cites:
[600] Mandatum de Saxonibus Obsidibus, MGH LL 1, p. 89.
[601] Capitula missorum Dominicorum, MGH LL 1, p. 137.
[602] Einhardi Vita Karoli Imperatoris, MGH SS II, p. 463.
[603] Einhardi Annales 811, MGH SS I, p. 198.
[604] Saint-Bertin (Guérard) Liber II, IV, p. 85.
[605] Saint-Bertin (Guérard), V, p. 88.
[606] Settipani (1993), p. 257 footnote 455.5


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 188A.1
GAV-32 EDV-33 GKJ-33. Unruoch di Friuli Count of Ternois was also known as Hunroch (Unruoch) Count of Friuli, Count of Ternoise.6,7

Unruoch di Friuli Count of Ternois
Per Wikipedia:
     "Unruoch II (also known as Unroch II) (died 853) was a Frankish nobleman and friend of Charlemagne.[1] In particular, he was witness to the emperor's will in 811.
     "He was the Frankish Duke (Margrave) of Friuli before 846. He may have been the son of Unruoch I of Friuli or Berengar, Count of Friuli. He married Engeltrude (Engletron), daughter of Beggo, Count of Toulouse and had the following issue:
** Eberhard of Friuli, a son, his successor (c. 815-816 – 866), who married Gisela, daughter of Louis the Pious
** Berengar the Wise, a son who was killed in battle (c. 836)
** Amadee of Friuli, a son who became Count of Payn Langres (b. 825)
** Ternois of Friuli, a daughter (b. 825), who married Count Gebhard Nieder-Lahngau
** Alard, Abbot of St. Bertin, a son
** Amadeus, Count of Burgundy, a son (b. 827)
Notes
1. Patrick Wormald; Janet L. Nelson (13 December 2007). Lay Intellectuals in the Carolingian World. Cambridge University Press. p. 262. ISBN 978-0-521-83453-7."8 He was Margrave of Friuli.9

Family

Engletrude (?) de Paris b. c 760
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Unruoch: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120739&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44238
  3. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I11180
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engeltrude: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120740&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#EberhardDukeFriuliadied866A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S753] Jr. Aileen Lewers Langston and J. Orton Buck, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. II (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1974 (1996 reprint)), p. 10. Hereinafter cited as Langston & Buck [1974] - Charlemagne Desc. vol II.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Unruoch: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120739&tree=LEO
  8. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruoch_II_of_Friuli. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 191-15, p. 164. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44239
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eberhard I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020513&tree=LEO
  12. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 192-16, p. 164.

Engletrude (?) de Paris1

F, #6730, b. circa 760
FatherBego/Begue I (?) Comte de Paris, Marquis of Septimanie2 b. bt 755 - 760, d. 28 Oct 816
MotherAlpaïs/Alpaide (?) Princess of the Holy Roman Empire b. bt 794 - 795, d. 29 May 852
ReferenceGAV32 EDV33
Last Edited17 Apr 2020
     Engletrude (?) de Paris was born circa 760.3 She married Unruoch di Friuli Count of Ternois, son of Berenger (?).1,4,5
     GAV-32 EDV-33 GKJ-33.

Engletrude (?) de Paris
Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 188A.6

Engletrude (?) de Paris and Bego/Begue I (?) Comte de Paris, Marquis of Septimanie
Per Wikipedia (Fr.): "selon Maurice Chaume et selon Michael Mitterauer, une fille Engeltrude qui épouse Unroch I., cte en Alémanie et duc du Frioul.7"

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engeltrude: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120740&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beggo,_Count_of_Toulouse. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  3. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I11179
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Unruoch: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120739&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#EberhardDukeFriuliadied866A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engeltrude: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120740&tree=LEO
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Bégon de Paris: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9gon_de_Paris. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (Fr.).
  8. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44239
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eberhard I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020513&tree=LEO
  10. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 192-16, p. 164. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Karlmann/Carloman (?) King of Bavaria and Italy1,2

M, #6731, b. circa 830, d. 29 September 880
FatherLudwig/Louis II 'the German' (?) Holy Roman Emperor2,1,3,4 b. c 806, d. 28 Aug 876
MotherEmma/Hemma (?) of Andech1,2,5,4 b. c 810, d. 31 Jan 876
Last Edited10 Feb 2020
     Karlmann/Carloman (?) King of Bavaria and Italy was born circa 830 at Germany (now); Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says b. bef 828.2,1 He married Liutswind/Litwinde (?), daughter of Unknown (?), in 850; She was his Mistress, not his wife.2,1,6
Karlmann/Carloman (?) King of Bavaria and Italy died on 3 April 880; dsp.7
Karlmann/Carloman (?) King of Bavaria and Italy died on 29 September 880 at Öttingen, Germany (now).8,1,2
     Karlmann/Carloman (?) King of Bavaria and Italy
Karloman, King of Bavaria 865, King of East Franks (876-880), King of Italy (877-880), *by 828, +Öttingen 22/29.9.880; 1m: Liutswinde N; 2m: N von Nordgau.1

Karlmann/Carloman (?) King of Bavaria and Italy
Leo van de Pas cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 94.2 He was King of Bavaria in 865.9,1,2 He was King of Italy between 877 and 880.1,2 He was King of the East Franks between 878 and 880.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Karlmann: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020406&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig II 'the German': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020400&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMANY,%20Kings.htm#LudwigIIleGermaniqueB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emma/Hemma: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020401&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#Liutswindisdiedbefore891
  7. [S639] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 6 Oct 2000 from World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0017 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  8. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 124. Hereinafter cited as Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I.
  9. [S1224] General Editor Peter N. Stearns, The Encyclopedia of World History, Sixth Edition (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2001), p. 175. Hereinafter cited as The Encyclopedia of World History, 6th Ed.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnulf von Kärnten: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020407&tree=LEO

Oda (?) von Billung, Margravine of East Saxony1,2,3

F, #6732, b. 806
FatherBillung I (?) Count von Thuringen4,2
MotherAeda (?)5,2
ReferenceGAV30
Last Edited9 Oct 2019
     Oda (?) von Billung, Margravine of East Saxony was born in 806 at Thuringen, Germany (now).2,3 She married Liudolf I "the Great" (?) Margrave of East Saxony, son of Bruno (?) Count of Saxony and Gisla (?) von Verla, circa 836.6,2,1
Oda (?) von Billung, Margravine of East Saxony died on 17 May 913 at Saxony (Sachsen), Germany (now).2,3
Oda (?) von Billung, Margravine of East Saxony was buried after 17 May 913 at Brunshausen Abbey Church, Bad Gandersheim, Landkreis Northeim, Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen), Germany (now),

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     806, Thüringen, Germany
     DEATH     17 May 913 (aged 106–107), Saxony (Sachsen), Germany
     Nobility, Margravine of East Saxony. She was the daughter of a count Billung and his wife Aeda/Adelais (who might have been a daughter of Pepin of Italy) and was raised at the Abbey of Herford. She married Liudolf sometime between 825 and 835 and gave birth to eight children. Their son Otto I ("The Illustrious"), succeeded his father and their daughter Liutgard married Louis III "the Younger", King of the East Franks. The couple founded the Abbey in Brunshausen (today a part of Gandersheim) which was four years later moved to Gandersheim. Three of her daughters were the first three abbesses of this abbey. She survived seven of her children and died in 913 at the age of 107.
     Family Members
     Spouse
      Liudolf Duke of von Sachsen 805–864
     Children
      St. Bruno Von Sachsen unknown–880
      Luitgard Of Saxony unknown–885
      Otto I of Saxony unknown–912
      Christina of Saxony unknown–919
      Waldrada d'Alsace
      Oda von Sachsen von Stade
      Hathumoda of Gandersheim 840–874
      Gerberga of Saxony 842–897
     BURIAL     Brunshausen Abbey church, Bad Gandersheim, Landkreis Northeim, Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen), Germany
     Created by: Lutetia
     Added: 5 Aug 2006
     Find A Grave Memorial 15154856
     SPONSORED BY Christian H. F. Riley.3
     GAV-30.

Oda (?) von Billung, Margravine of East Saxony
per Peter Stewart and Leo van de Pas:
""Leo van de Pas"" wrote in message
news:000a01c52d94$9ae16680$c3b4fea9@email...
> > ES volume 1, by Prinz von Isenburg and Freytag von Loringhoven, Tafel 3
> > This page begins with Liudolf, Duke in Saxony born about 806, died 866.
> > About 836 he marries Oda, daughter of Count Billung I. She is born in 806
> > and dies in May 913 (107 years old).
> >
> > ES Schwennicke volume 1.1 Tafel 10
> > Here they call Liudolf only a count, no year of birth but he dies 11 March
> > 866.
> > His wife Oda is recorded as a daughter of princeps Billung and Aeda. Here
> > she is born 805/806 and died 17 May 913.
> >
> > Caroli Magni Progenies by Siegfried Rösch, page 95
> > Here Liudolf is called a Saxony count (not count of or in Saxony) and Oda
> > is a daughter of Count Billung.
> >
> > Does anyone know what the proper identification is for Liudolf? Was he a
> > Duke or only a Count and of what or in what? As intriguing is the father
> > of Oda. Was he a prince or a Count and again of what?

Titles were not strictly regulated at the time of Liudolf - he is called "count" just as were other men who also used the title "duke" on occasions. In his case, for instance, he was named as "Liudolfus comes" in Annales Xantenses relating his death in 866, while he had earlier been described as "dux Saconiae".

For his wife Oda we have a source that might be considered less than ideal, a poem ('Carmen de primordiis coenobii Gandersheimensis') by the nun Hrotsvita, stating that she was aged 107 at her death in 913, hence the birthdate calculated as 905/6. Hrotsvita also named her parents as the ruler (or prince) Billung and Aeda ("fila Billungi cuiusdam principis almi atque bonae famae generosae scilicet Aeda').

It has been speculated that Oda was related to the Popponids and Robertians (who transmitted the masculine form of her name, Odo or Eudes), and that she brought to the family of Liudolf the lordship of Aschaffenburg, the old political centre of the east Frankish kingdom, but there is no direct evidence for this.

Peter Stewart.7,8

Oda (?) von Billung, Margravine of East Saxony
Genealogy.EU (Liudolfer page) says "Oda (*796), dau.of Billung /OR Warin, Bp of Hildesheim."1

Reference: Leo van de Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 3.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Liudolfer page (Liudolfing): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/liudolfer.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Oda Billung: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020479&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 9 October 2019), memorial page for Oda von Billung (806–17 May 913), Find A Grave Memorial no. 15154856, citing Brunshausen Abbey church, Bad Gandersheim, Landkreis Northeim, Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen), Germany ; Maintained by Lutetia (contributor 46580078). at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15154856/oda-von_billung. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Billung I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020480&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aeda: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00280750&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liudolf: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020478&tree=LEO
  7. [S1882] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 21 March 2005: "Re: Saxony - Billung question"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 March 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 21 March 2005."
  8. [S1883] Leo van de Pas, "van de Pas email 20 March 2005: "Saxony - Billung question"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 20 March 2005. Hereinafter cited as "van de Pas email 20 March 2005."
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liutgard of Saxony: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020412&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Oda of Saxony: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00280752&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto 'des Erlauchte': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020481&tree=LEO

Bruno (?) Count of Saxony1

M, #6733, b. circa 786, d. before 844
FatherBruno (?) Count in Saxon-Engen1 b. c 756, d. c 813
MotherHasalda (?)1 b. c 760, d. bt 789 - 854
ReferenceGAV31
Last Edited23 May 2004
     Bruno (?) Count of Saxony married Gisla (?) von Verla, daughter of Wittekind (?) Duke of Saxony and Geva Eysteinsdottir (?) of Vestfold.1 Bruno (?) Count of Saxony was born circa 786.1
Bruno (?) Count of Saxony died before 844.1
     GAV-31 EDV-32 GKJ-33. Bruno (?) Count of Saxony was also known as Berno (?)2

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bruno: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00280778&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, liudolfer page (Liudolfing): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/liudolfer.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liudolf: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020478&tree=LEO

Gisla (?) von Verla1

F, #6734, b. 772
FatherWittekind (?) Duke of Saxony1 b. 735, d. 7 Jan 810
MotherGeva Eysteinsdottir (?) of Vestfold1 b. bt 750 - 755
ReferenceGAV31
Last Edited5 Nov 2019
     Gisla (?) von Verla married Bruno (?) Count of Saxony, son of Bruno (?) Count in Saxon-Engen and Hasalda (?).2 Gisla (?) von Verla was born in 772 at Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany (now).1
Gisla (?) von Verla was buried at Stiftskirche Gandersheim, Bad Gandersheim, Landkreis Northeim, Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen), Germany (now),

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     772, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
     DEATH     unknown, Haute-Normandie, France
     Family Members
     Parents
          Wittekind von Sachsen 735–807
          Geva Eysteinsdottir 750 – unknown
     Spouse
          Brunhart II von Sachsen 756–813
     Siblings
          Gerswinde von Sachsen
     Children
          Billung von Sachsen 780–850
          Brunhart III von Sachsen 796–843
     BURIAL     Stiftskirche Gandersheim, Bad Gandersheim, Landkreis Northeim, Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen), Germany
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 28 Mar 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 144271263.1
     GAV-31 EDV-32 GKJ-33.

Family

Bruno (?) Count of Saxony b. c 786, d. b 844
Child

Citations

  1. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 03 November 2019), memorial page for Gisla von Verla (772–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 144271263, citing Stiftskirche Gandersheim, Bad Gandersheim, Landkreis Northeim, Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen), Germany ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144271263/gisla-von_verla. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bruno: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00280778&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liudolf: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020478&tree=LEO

Gerberge Of The Gatinais Du Maine

F, #6735, b. 913, d. 952
Last Edited29 May 2001
     Gerberge Of The Gatinais Du Maine married an unknown person WFT Est. 928-947.1 She was born in 913.1
Gerberge Of The Gatinais Du Maine died in 952.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).

Blanche d'Anjou

F, #6736, b. 948, d. WFT Est. 977-1042
MotherGerberge Of The Gatinais Du Maine b. 913, d. 952
Last Edited8 Dec 2019
     Blanche d'Anjou died WFT Est. 977-1042.1 She was born in 948.1

Citations

  1. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).

Liutswind/Litwinde (?)1,2

F, #6737, d. before 9 March 891
FatherUnknown (?)
Last Edited10 Feb 2020
     Liutswind/Litwinde (?) married Karlmann/Carloman (?) King of Bavaria and Italy, son of Ludwig/Louis II 'the German' (?) Holy Roman Emperor and Emma/Hemma (?) of Andech, in 850; She was his Mistress, not his wife.3,2,4
Liutswind/Litwinde (?) died before 9 March 891.1,4
     Liutswind/Litwinde (?)
Per Med Lands:
     "LIUTSWINDIS ([825/30][176]-before 9 Mar 891). "Arnolfus…rex" gave property at "Ardienga…in ripa fluvioli…Semita" previously owned by "mater nostra bonæ memoriæ Liutswind" to the church of Salzburg by charter dated 9 Mar 891[177]. The logic for the possible earlier marriage of Liutswindis prior to her relationship with King Karloman is explained below under her possible daughter.
     "[m ---.] Mistress ([849/50]) of KARLOMAN, son of LUDWIG II "der Deutsche" King of the East Franks & his wife Emma [Welf] ([830]-Altötting, Bavaria 12 Mar or 29 Sep 880)."
Med Lands cites:
[176] Birth date range estimated from the approximate date of birth of her son Arnulf in [850], and bearing in mind the estimated birth date of Karloman.
[177] D Arn 87, p. 128.4

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liutswind/Litwinde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020407&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Karlmann: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020406&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#Liutswindisdiedbefore891. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnulf von Kärnten: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020407&tree=LEO

Awruta Al Kassi1

M, #6738
Last Edited24 Mar 2020
     Awruta Al Kassi married Amuna/Amunia d'Angoulême, daughter of Vulgrin I (?) Comte d'Angoulême et de Perigord and Regelindis (Roselinde) (?) de Septimanie, comtesse d'Agen, circa 885;
Her 1st husband.1
     Awruta Al Kassi and Amuna/Amunia d'Angoulême
Per Racines et Histoire (Angoulême): "? Amuna d’Angoulême ° ~875 + ~905 comtesse d’Agen
ép. 1) ~885 Awriya Al kassi
ép. 2) ~890/900 Garcia II Sanchez «O Curvado» + 926 duc de Gascogne, comte et marquis

postérité Fezensac, Armagnac."1

Family

Amuna/Amunia d'Angoulême b. c 857

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes d’ Angoulême, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Angouleme.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Ymo/Immo (?)1,2

M, #6739
FatherVulfard (?) Comte de Flavigny1,3,2
MotherSusanna (?) of Paris1,4,2 b. bt 805 - 810
Last Edited23 Mar 2020
     Ymo/Immo (?)
Per Med Lands:
     "IMMO . His parentage is established by the charter dated 2 Nov 889 under which "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino"[221]."
Med Lands cites: [221] Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire XXXI, p. 85.2

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977, Rösch, Siegfried, 87.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ymo: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036211&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wulfhard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036208&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Susanna of Paris: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036207&tree=LEO

Foulques-Bertrand I (?) Comte de Provence1,2

M, #6740, b. 1002, d. circa 27 April 1051
FatherGuillaume III 'the Pious' (?) Comte de Provence2,3 b. c 985, d. b 30 May 1018
MotherGerberge (?) de Bourgogne2,4 b. c 980, d. bt 1020 - 1023
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited23 Oct 2004
     Foulques-Bertrand I (?) Comte de Provence was born in 1002.5 He married Hildegarde/Ermengarde? (?) de Toulouse, daughter of Guillaume III Taillefer (?) Comte de Toulouse and Emma (?) de Provence, circa 1030.2,1
Foulques-Bertrand I (?) Comte de Provence died circa 27 April 1051.6
     GAV-28.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120777&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geberge de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120778&tree=LEO
  5. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  6. [S1547] Peter Stewart, "Stewart 13 Jan 2004 email "Re: Adelaide de Provence, Cts de Forcalquier (1040-1129)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 13 Jan 2004."

Guillaume III 'the Pious' (?) Comte de Provence1,2

M, #6741, b. circa 985, d. before 30 May 1018
FatherGuillaume II 'le Liberateur' de Taillefer (?) Cte d'Arles et Provence, Toulouse1,3,4,5,6,7,8 b. c 950, d. 994
MotherAdelaide (Adela, Blanche) (?) d'Anjou, Countess of Toulouse b. bt 942 - 947, d. 29 May 1026; Leo van de Pas shows Guillaume III's mother to be Arsenda de Comminges. J Bunot says she was "Adelaide dite Blanche d'Anjou (+1026)"4,9,10,5,6
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited15 Nov 2019
     Guillaume III 'the Pious' (?) Comte de Provence was born circa 985.11,2 He married Gerberge (?) de Bourgogne, daughter of Otto (Otton) Guillaume (William) I (?) Comte de Bourgogne, Cte de Mâcon et de Nevers, King of Lombardy and Ermentrude/Irmgard (?) de Roucy, Countess of Rheims, circa 1002.1,4,12,13
Guillaume III 'the Pious' (?) Comte de Provence died before 30 May 1018.9,12
     GAV-27 EDV-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 187.4


Guillaume III 'the Pious' (?) Comte de Provence
"Markus Welschhoff" wrote:

>> Who knows the mother of Ermegarde d'Auvergne, wife of Eudes II de

Blois. She was born about 995 and died on march 1040. I think, her
father was Robert II d'Auvergne, but was her mother Ermegarde/Humberga
of Toulouse or of Arles? And why the two names Ermegarde and Humberga,
is she the same?

>>
>> Thank you for answer.
>>
>> Bye, MW
>> ______________________________________________________________
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In a post by Todd Farmerie (see below), the mother of Ermengarde
d'Auvergne would evidently be Ermengarde de Brioude, daughter of
Étienne de Brioude, Count of Gévaudan, and Adele d'Anjou, who married
Robert III, Count d'Auvergne, d. 1032. (IIRC, Weis has no, or a
different ancestry). Ermengarde/Humberga are simply variants of the
same name, I'd guess the former being of french derivation; the latter,
german..... There is more information, esp on the De Brioude ancestry,
in the archives....

Hope this helps,

Roger




From: Todd A. Farmerie (farmerie@interfold.com)
Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou (was Tiburge d'Orange)
Date: 2000/07/30



>> Who are ALL of her ["her" referring to Adele d'Anjou, who married three times and was the grandmother of Ermengarde d'Auvergne] children
(with the correct fathers)?

Stasser gives her the following:

by Etienne de Brioude:
1. Pons de Gevaudan
2. Bertrand de Brioude
3. Etienne de Brioude
4. Ermengarde/Humberge, Countess of Auvergne
5?. daughter, wife of Herbert of Troyes

by Raymond:
6. Guillaume Taillefer
7?. Toda/Adelaide, Countess of Besalu (I question this one)
8?. Letgarde

by Guillaume II of Provence:
9. Guillaume III
10. Constance, Queen of France

taf.5 He was Cte de Provence between 993 and 1018.1

Family

Gerberge (?) de Bourgogne b. c 980, d. bt 1020 - 1023
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume III 'the Pious': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120777&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume II 'le Liberateur: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00094928&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120777&tree=LEO
  5. [S1778] Roger Tansey, "Tansey email 24 Jan 2005 "Re: d'Auvergne -> Toulouse or Arles"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 24 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Tansey email 24 Jan 2005."
  6. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet, online http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/henry.htm, Adélaïde/Alix (Adelaidis, Alaiz, Adelax, Alaicis) alias Blanche (Blanca, Candida) of Anjou: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/adela000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume II 'le Liberateur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00094928&tree=LEO
  8. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_I_of_Provence. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arsenda de Comminges: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120776&tree=LEO
  10. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005, 496. Guillaume II le Liberateur, comte d’Arles, marquis de Provence (+994) 497. m. 984, Adelaide dite Blanche d’Anjou (+ 1026). Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  11. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ivrea 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ivrea/ivrea1.html
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geberge de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120778&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429180&tree=LEO
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164203&tree=LEO

Gilbert V (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et de Carlat1

M, #6742, b. 1055, d. 1107
FatherBerenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan3,4 b. c 1025, d. bt 1080 - 1097
MotherAdila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat2 b. 1031, d. bt 1060 - 1071
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited4 May 2020
     Gilbert V (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et de Carlat was born in 1055.5 He married Gerberga (?) comtesse de Provence, Comtesse d'Arles, daughter of Geoffroy (?) Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence and Stephanie "Dulcia" (?) de Marseille, circa 1092.6,1,7
Gilbert V (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et de Carlat died in 1107; J Bunot says d. 1110.5,1
     Gilbert V (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et de Carlat
weis 111-26.8 GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-27. Gilbert V (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et de Carlat was also known as Gilberto (?) Visconte di Nimes e Gévaudan.9 Gilbert V (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et de Carlat was also known as Gilbert Milhaud Vicomte de Carlat. Gilbert V (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et de Carlat was also known as Gilbert I (?) Vcte de Gevaudun.10,6

Citations

  1. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adila: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197692&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berenguer II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197691&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulnoreast.htm#BerengerIIMillaudied1080. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120775&tree=LEO
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 111-26, p. 103. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1550] Genealogie Delle Dinastie Ialiane, online http://www.sardimpex.com/, Balzo page (del Balzo - de Baux): http://www.sardimpex.com/del%20balzo.htm. Hereinafter cited as Genealogie Delle Dinastie Ialiane.
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Baux 1 page (The family de Baux/del Balzo): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/baux/baux1.html
  11. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 129-25, p. 115.

Gerberga (?) comtesse de Provence, Comtesse d'Arles1,2,3

F, #6743, b. circa 1070, d. between 1112 and 1118
FatherGeoffroy (?) Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence1,3 b. c 1008, d. c Feb 1061
MotherStephanie "Dulcia" (?) de Marseille1,3 b. 1033, d. 1095
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited3 Nov 2013
     Gerberga (?) comtesse de Provence, Comtesse d'Arles was born circa 1070.3 She married Gilbert V (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et de Carlat, son of Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan and Adila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat, circa 1092.1,2,3
Gerberga (?) comtesse de Provence, Comtesse d'Arles died between 1112 and 1118.2,3
     Gerberga (?) comtesse de Provence, Comtesse d'Arles
per van de Pas: [quote]Gerberga was born in the second half of the 11th century, the daughter of Geoffroy, comte de Provence, comte d'Arles, and Stephanie 'Dulcia' de Marseille. She was the countess of Arles and Provence from 1093 to 1112.

About 1092 she married Gilbert, comte de Gevaudan, vicomte de Carlot, son of Berenguer II, vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan, and Adila, vicomtesse de Carlat. Both their daughters would have progeny. Gilbert was assassinated in 1111, and the following year Gerberga married her eldest daughter Douce to Ramon Berenguer III el Grande, conde de Barcelona, Provence e Carcassonne, and ceded Provence to them. Her second daughter Stéphanette would lay claim to the county and thus precipitate the Baussenque Wars.

Gerberga died before January 1118, possibly in 1115.[end quote]3

Reference: van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: II 187.3


Gerberga (?) comtesse de Provence, Comtesse d'Arles
Debate on parentage of Geberga, cts de Provence:
Bunot email of 22 Feb 2005 [quote] Gerberge, comtesse de Provence (1107/12) is traditionally considered a d/o
Geoffroy, comte de Provence and Etiennette/Stephanie dite Douce de
Marseille. Being heiress of Lower-Provence or Arles, she married in 1083,
Girbert, vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan and de Carlat. They had 2 daughters,
Douce, comtesse de Barcelone in 1112 and Etiennette/Stephanie, dame de
Baux in 1116.

Recently, in his acclaimed “La Provence et la societe feodale 879-1166”
(1976) in a family chart of the comtes de Provence (fig. 2, p. 34),
Jean-Pierre Poly has reassigned Gerberge as a d/o Bertrand, comte de
Provence (1055/90) and his wife Mathilde, therefore making her a
grand-daughter of comte Geoffroy and a sister of Cecile, vicomtesse
d’Albi, Beziers and Carcassonnes (Trencavel). I believe that the reasons
for the revised ancestry are mainly chronological (see below) but also
onomastic since the son of Etiennette/Stephanie de Baux is precisely named
Bertrand most probably after his most important ancestor, comte Bertrand,
and her daughter Matelle/Mathilde de Bigorre would be named after his wife
comtesse Mathilde. Lets look more closely at the chronology :

1) Traditional ancestry of Douce, comtesse de Barcelone

Guillaume III, comte de Provence (992/1018) (+ 1018)
m. 1002, Gerberge de Bourgogne (+ 1020/23)

Geoffroy, comte de Provence (1032/57/60) (+ c. 1061/62)
m. c. 1040, Etiennette/Stephanie dite Douce de Marseille (1040/95)

Gerberge, comtesse de Provence (1093/1112) (* c. 1060 + 1112/18)
m. 1085, Girbert, vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et Carlat (+ 1110/12)

Douce, comtesse de Provence (1112/27) (+ 1127/30)
m. 1112, Raymond-Berenger III, comte de Barcelone (+ 1131)


2) Revised ancestry according to Jean-Pierre Poly (1976)

Guillaume III, comte de Provence (992/1018) (+ 1018)
m. 1002, Gerberge de Bourgogne (+ 1020/23)

Geoffroy, comte de Provence (1032/57/60) (+ c. 1061/62)
m. c. 1040, Etiennette/Stephanie dite Douce de Marseille (1040/95)

Bertrand, comte de Provence (1060/90) (+ 1090/94)
m. 1061, Mathilde

Gerberge, comtesse de Provence (1093/1112) (* c. 1060 + 1112/18)
m. 1085, Girbert, vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan et Carlat (+ 1110/12)

Douce, comtesse de Provence (1112/27) (+ 1127/30)
m. 1112, Raymond-Berenger III, comte de Barcelone (+ 1131)

Evidently the chronology works better in the case of the revised ancestry.
Anybody would care to comment or complete the data. In advance thank you. Jean Bunot [end quote]

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Bunot email of 7 June 2005 [quote] Thank you very much for pointing out the fact that the genealogical
chart in itself is at variance with the main text which definitely
maintains comtesse Gerberge (wife of Girbert, vicomte de
Millau-Gevaudan et de Carlat) as a d/o comte Geoffroy and
Stephanie/Etiennette dite Douce de Marseille. While not impossible,
this traditional parentage for comtesse Gerberge presents in my view
several difficulties which might not be after all serious impediments.
Namely :

a) If find it quite unlikely that comte Bertrand (+ 1090/94) was
succeded by his sister (Gerberge) rather than by his fully documented
daughter (Cecile), the wife of Bernard Aton, vicomte
d'Albi-Beziers-Carcassonne, head of the then very powerful lineage of
Trencavel, certainly capable of fighting for and upholding the rights
and inheritance of his wife in nearby Provence. Why advantaging the
vicomtesse de Gevaudan against her niece the vicomtesse d'Albi ? In
does not appear to make sense from a feodal point of view.

b) the biological chronology is stretched a bit as we have to imagine
that Gerberge would have been born, around 1060/61, to a close to sixty
years old father (comte Geoffroy, born c. 1002 and died c. 1060/62),
after more than 20 years of marriage (which occured likely c. 1040 or
maybe a bit earlier), being almost a posthumus daughter. Not impossible
but certainly then a very rare instance for mid 11th century.

So what do you think ? With my compliments, Jean Bunot.


Cristopher Nash wrote:

>> Still tidying up old queries and not having seen a response to the
>> one raised by Jean Bunot under this header, I thought I'd ask whether
>> anyone sees any problem with my suggesting that the chart to which he
>> refers (fig. 2, p. 34) was erroneously drawn and should not be taken
>> as evidence of a new view? I.e. that Poly had meant to confirm - as
>> he does in the body of his text itself, p. 318 - the >traditional
>> ancestry of Douce< and was proposing no new parentage for Gerberge de
>> Provence.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Cris
[end quote]

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"Jeff" email of 7 June 2005 [quote] If find it quite unlikely that comte Bertrand (+ 1090/94) was
succeded by his sister (Gerberge) rather than by his fully documented
daughter (Cecile), the wife of Bernard Aton, vicomte
d'Albi-Beziers-Carcassonne, head of the then very powerful lineage of
Trencavel, certainly capable of fighting for and upholding the rights
and inheritance of his wife in nearby Provence. Why advantaging the
vicomtesse de Gevaudan against her niece the vicomtesse d'Albi ? In
does not appear to make sense from a feodal point of view.

I think Cecily was specifically excluded from the Provence inheritance:
she got money instead.
But the succession took a long time to sort out after the expiry of the
comital dynasty and the murder of Gilbert: not til 1125 after a long
war between barcelona and Toulouse.

Then Provence was divided between the Counts of Toulouse and Barcelona,
and Forcalquir-urgel.
Sorry this is from memory. But surely Poly's book explains all of this?

Jeff

barcelona and Toulouse
[end quote].4,5,6 GAV-25. She was Css de Provence between 1093 and 1112.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  2. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120775&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1715] J Bunot, "Bunot email 7 Jun 2005: "Re: Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 7 Jun 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 7 Jun 2005."
  5. [S1714] J Bunot, "Bunot email 22 Feb 2005: "New parentage of Gerberge de Provence?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 22 Feb 2005."
  6. [S1716] Jeff ?, "Jeff email 7 Jun 2005: "Re: Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 7 Jun 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Jeff email 7 Jun 2005."
  7. [S1550] Genealogie Delle Dinastie Ialiane, online http://www.sardimpex.com/, Balzo page (del Balzo - de Baux): http://www.sardimpex.com/del%20balzo.htm. Hereinafter cited as Genealogie Delle Dinastie Ialiane.

Geoffroy (?) Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence1,2

M, #6744, b. circa 1008, d. circa February 1061
FatherGuillaume III 'the Pious' (?) Comte de Provence3,4,2 b. c 985, d. b 30 May 1018
MotherGerberge (?) de Bourgogne3,5,2 b. c 980, d. bt 1020 - 1023
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited3 Nov 2013
     Geoffroy (?) Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence was born circa 1008.2 He was born before 1018.3 He married Stephanie "Dulcia" (?) de Marseille, daughter of Guillaume II le Gros (?) vicomte de Marseille, seigneur de Trets and Stephanie (?) de Rians, in 1040.6,3,7,8,2
Geoffroy (?) Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence died circa February 1061.2
     GAV-26 EDV-26.

Geoffroy (?) Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence
per van de Pas.1

Reference: van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: II 187.2
Geoffroy (?) Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence was also known as Godfrey (?) Count of Arles, Cte de Provence.6 Geoffroy (?) Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence was also known as Geoffroy I (?) Cte de Provence.3 He was Cte de Provence between 1018 and 1063.3

Citations

  1. [S2379] Leo van de Pas, "van de Pas email 7 Aug 2010: "Geoffroy, Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 7 Aug 2010. Hereinafter cited as "van de Pas email 7 Aug 2010."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164203&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120777&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geberge de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120778&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Stephanie 'Dulcia' de Marseille: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164204&tree=LEO
  8. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Provence: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00416725&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120775&tree=LEO

Stephanie "Dulcia" (?) de Marseille1

F, #6745, b. 1033, d. 1095
FatherGuillaume II le Gros (?) vicomte de Marseille, seigneur de Trets2
MotherStephanie (?) de Rians3
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited3 Nov 2013
     Stephanie "Dulcia" (?) de Marseille was born in 1033.4 She married Geoffroy (?) Comte d'Arles, Markgraf of Provence, son of Guillaume III 'the Pious' (?) Comte de Provence and Gerberge (?) de Bourgogne, in 1040.5,6,1,7,8
Stephanie "Dulcia" (?) de Marseille died in 1095.4
     GAV-26 EDV-26.

Stephanie "Dulcia" (?) de Marseille
Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 187.1 Stephanie "Dulcia" (?) de Marseille was also known as Etiennette-Douce (?) de Gevaudan.6 Stephanie "Dulcia" (?) de Marseille was also known as Etienette.9

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Stephanie 'Dulcia' de Marseille: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164204&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005, 250. Guillaume II le Gros, vicomte de Marseille, seigneur de Trets (1004/45). Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  3. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005, 251. m. Stephanie de Rians (1019/55).
  4. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  7. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164203&tree=LEO
  9. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32997
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Provence: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00416725&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120775&tree=LEO

Arnulf (?) von Karnten, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor of Germany1,2,3,4

M, #6746, b. circa 850, d. 8 December 899
FatherKarlmann/Carloman (?) King of Bavaria and Italy4,3,5 b. c 830, d. 29 Sep 880
MotherLiutswind/Litwinde (?)3,4,6 d. b 9 Mar 891
Last Edited11 Feb 2020
     Arnulf (?) von Karnten, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor of Germany married Oda (Utade) (?) of Bavaria, daughter of Theudon (?) Count in Bavaria, between 821 and 853; WFT Est.7 Arnulf (?) von Karnten, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor of Germany was born circa 850.4,3 He married Ellinrat (?) in 870.8
Arnulf (?) von Karnten, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor of Germany died on 8 December 899 at Regensburg, Stadtkreis Regensburg, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany (now).9,4,3
Arnulf (?) von Karnten, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor of Germany was buried after 8 December 899 at Gruftkapelle St. Emmeram, Regensburg, Stadtkreis Regensburg, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany (now).4


     Arnulf (?) von Karnten, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor of Germany
See Wikpedia entry for more information.10 He was Duke of Carinthia, Markgraf of Kärnten
between 876 and 887.3,4 He was King of the East Franks between 887 and 899.2,3 He was King of Italy between 894 and 896.3 He was Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire between 896 and 899.2,3,4

Family 1

Oda (Utade) (?) of Bavaria b. c 805, d. bt 834 - 899
Child

Family 2

Ellinrat (?) d. a 24 May 914
Child

Family 3

Children

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 63. Hereinafter cited as Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I.
  2. [S1224] General Editor Peter N. Stearns, The Encyclopedia of World History, Sixth Edition (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2001), p. 175. Hereinafter cited as The Encyclopedia of World History, 6th Ed.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnulf von Kärnten: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020407&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Karlmann: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020406&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liutswind/Litwinde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020407&tree=LEO
  7. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ellinrat: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331011&tree=LEO
  9. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I, p. 124.
  10. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf_of_Carinthia. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig IV 'das Kind': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020409&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ellinrat von Kärnten: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331013&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Zwentibold: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020410&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ratold/Rapoldus von Kärnten: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331015&tree=LEO

Oda (Utade) (?) of Bavaria1

F, #6747, b. circa 805, d. between 834 and 899
FatherTheudon (?) Count in Bavaria1
Last Edited27 Mar 2004
     Oda (Utade) (?) of Bavaria was born circa 805.2 She married Arnulf (?) von Karnten, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor of Germany, son of Karlmann/Carloman (?) King of Bavaria and Italy and Liutswind/Litwinde (?), between 821 and 853; WFT Est.2
Oda (Utade) (?) of Bavaria died between 834 and 899; date is WFT estimate.2

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 124. Hereinafter cited as Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I.
  2. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnulf von Kärnten: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020407&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig IV 'das Kind': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020409&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Oda/Uota of Saxony: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331017&tree=LEO

Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan1,2

M, #6748, b. circa 1025, d. between 1080 and 1097
FatherRichard II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan1,2,3 b. 1003, d. 1051
MotherRixinde (?) de Narbonne, dame de Montbrun1,2,3 b. 1005
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited4 May 2020
     Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan was born circa 1025.2 He married Adila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat, daughter of Gilbert II/III (?) vicomte de Carlat and Nobilia (?) Vicomtesse de Lodeve, in 1050; Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 805.4,5,6,2,3
Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan died between 1080 and 1097.2
     Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan
Per Genealogics:
     "Berenguer was born about 1025, the son of Richard II, vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan, and Rixinde de Narbonne, dame de Montbrun. He was viscount of Millau and Rodez from 1051. He married Adila, vicomtesse de Carlat, daughter of Gilbert, vicomte de Carlat, and Nobilia, vicomtesse de Lodève. They had three sons of whom Gilbert and Richard would have progeny. Berenguer became viscount of Carlat by right of his wife. About 1080, with his wife and her mother, and his three sons, he made a donation of land to the abbey founded by Gausbert, a monk of Saint-Amans de Rodez. Berenguer died between 1080 and 1097."2

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 805.2


Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan
Per Wikipédia (Fr.) - Ref #1:
     "Bérenger Ier de Millau puis Bérenger de Carlat, né vers 1025, mort vers 1080 fut vicomte de Millau et de Rodez en 1051, et, par mariage, vicomte de Carlat. Il était fils de Richard II, vicomte de Millau et de Rodez, et de Rixinde de Narbonne.
Biographie
     "Vers 1080, avec sa femme Adèle et Nobilia de Lodève, mère d'Adèle, ainsi que leurs trois enfants Richard, Gilbert et Raymond, il fait une donation à l'abbaye fondée par Gausbert, moine à Saint-Amans de Rodez, avec un terrain entre quatre croix formant une sauveté dépendante du château de Mandulphe, et pour le spirituel de la paroisse de Junhac. Le nom de Montsalvy (Montis Salvii) n'apparaîtra qu'en 1093 dans une bulle de Célestin III qui rattache directement la nouvelle abbaye au Saint-Siège.
Famille
     "Avant 1050, il épouse Adèle, vicomtesse de Carlat, fille de Girbert, vicomte de Carlat, et de Nobilia, vicomtesse de Lodève. Ils eurent au moins trois fils :
** Richard III de Millau († 1135), père de Hugues Ier, († 1159), vicomte de Carlat, comte de Rodez.
** Gilbert de Millau († 1111)
** Raymond

Bibliographie
** Hippolyte de Barrau, Documents historiques et généalogiques sur les familles et les hommes remarquables du Rouergue dans les temps anciens et modernes, tome 1er, pages 215 à 221 (vicomtes de Millau), Rodez, 1853-1860 (lire en ligne [archive])
Articles connexes
** Liste des vicomtes et comtes de Gévaudan: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_vicomtes_et_comtes_de_G%C3%A9vaudan
** Liste des vicomtes de Carlat: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_vicomtes_de_Carlat"

Per Wikipédia (Fr.) - Ref #2:
     "Bérenger, vicomte de Millau et de Rodez en 1051, fils du [Richard II] marié à Adèle, fille de Girbert, vicomte de Carlat, et de Nobilia, vicomtesse de Lodève"

Per Wikipédia (Fr.) - Ref #3:
     "1025-1080: Bérenger de Millau (ca 1040-1080/), fils de Richard, vicomte de Millau et de Rodez, marié à Adèle de Carlat, sœur de Bernard, qui lui apporte le Carladès."7,8,9

Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan
Per Med Lands:
     "BERENGER [II] (-[1080/5 Jan 1097]). "Alcherius" donated "æcclesiam sancti Petri in comitatu Rutenensi...Regnacus" to Conques by charter dated 6 Apr 1051, which records that “filii Ricardi vicecomitis et filii Abonis, nepotes mei” donated money on the occasion[495]. Vicomte de Millau. "...Berengarii vici commiti, Bernardi archidiaconi et fratrum eius" subscribed the charter dated Jan 1051 [O.S.?] under which "Hugo Rutenensium comes et mater mea Ricardis comitissa" donated “ecclesiam...Tribonum” to Conques[496]. "Rogerius [error for Berengarius?] et frater meus Bernardus filii Richardi vicecomitis" donated property to Marseille Saint-Victor by charter dated 1058[497]. “Fratrum eius Berengarii et Ugonis et Raimundi et Ricardi” subscribed the charter dated 1061 under which “Bernardus filius Richardi de Amiliau quondam vicecomitis et uxoris eius Rixendis” donated property on his becoming a monk at Saint-Victor de Marseille[498]. Vicomte de Gévaudan. "Berengarius Ricardi vicecomes" donated property "in territorio Gaballitano…ecclesia…sancti Martini…in episcopate Mimatensi…in pago Bannecensi" to Saint-Victor, Marseille by charter dated 1 Jul 1060, signed by "Berengarius vicecomes, Raimundus frater eius"[499]. Vicomte de Carlat: “Berengarius vicecomes de Cartlato et uxor mea Adila et mater uxoris meæ Nobilis” founded Montsalvy monastery, with the consent of “filii nostri Ricardus, Girbertus, Raimundus”, by charter dated to [1060/71][500]. "Berengarius, Ricardi quondam vicecomitis filius" donated property to Marseille Saint-Victor "in manu abbatis Bernardi germani utique fratris mei et Ricardi eiusdem monasterii qui similiter mihi etiam frater est", for the souls of "patris mei Ricardi" and for the salvation of "matris meæ Rixendis" by charter dated 1070, signed by "Rixendis matris eius, Bernardi fratris eius..."[501]. “Allebertus de Caniliaco” swore allegiance to “Berengario nec ad filios tuos Ricard et Girbert” for the château of Canillac and others by undated charter, probably dated to [1080/97][502].
     "m (before 1050) ADELA de Carlat, daughter of GIRBERT Vicomte de Carlat & his wife Nobila de Lodève. “Berengarius vicecomes de Cartlato et uxor mea Adila et mater uxoris meæ Nobilis” founded Montsalvy monastery, with the consent of “filii nostri Ricardus, Girbertus, Raimundus”, by charter dated to [1060/71][503]."
Med lands cites:
[495] Conques, 571, p. 400.
[496] Conques, 8, p. 11.
[497] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 247.II, col. 491.
[498] Veterum Scriptorum, Tome I, col. 455.
[499] Marseille Saint-Victor, Tome II, Chartularium Minus, 832, p. 192.
[500] Documents Carlat, Tome II, Supplement I, p. 1.
[501] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 296, col. 581.
[502] Belmon ‘Vicomtes’, Débax (2008), Annexe 2: Catalogue des actes des vicomtes de Millau, p. 177, quoting Boullier de Branche, H. (1940) Feuda Gabalorum (Nîmes), T. II (1ère partie), p. 57, note 1.
[503] Documents Carlat, Tome II, Supplement I, p. 1.3
GAV-26. Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan was also known as Berenger II Vicomte de Milhaud.

Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan and Adila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat
Per Racines et Histoire: "ès 1097 vicomte de Rodez, Millau, Carlat et Gévaudan (48, 1077)
     ép. dès 1050 (ou ~1053) Adèle (Adila) de Carlat, vicomtesse de Carlat, Bénavent et de Lodève (fille de Gilbert II, vicomte de Carlat et Bénavent, et de Nobilie de Lodève.)10"

Citations

  1. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berenguer II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197691&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulnoreast.htm#BerengerIIMillaudied1080. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adila: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197692&tree=LEO
  5. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005, m. 1050, Adele, vicomtesse de Carlat et de Lodeve.
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUVERGNE.htm#AdelaCarlatMBerengerMillau
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Ref #1: Bérenger de Millau: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9renger_de_Millau. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (Fr.).
  8. [S4742] Wikipédia (Fr.), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Ref #2: Liste des vicomtes et comtes de Gévaudan: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_vicomtes_et_comtes_de_G%C3%A9vaudan
  9. [S4742] Wikipédia (Fr.), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Ref #3: Liste des vicomtes de Carlat: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_vicomtes_de_Carlat
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Rouergue & de Rodez,p. 8: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Rouergue-Rodez.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197689&tree=LEO

Adila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat1

F, #6749, b. 1031, d. between 1060 and 1071
FatherGilbert II/III (?) vicomte de Carlat2,3,4,5 b. 1005
MotherNobilia (?) Vicomtesse de Lodeve6,2,3,4,5
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited4 May 2020
     Adila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat was born in 1031.7 She married Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan, son of Richard II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gevaudan and Rixinde (?) de Narbonne, dame de Montbrun, in 1050; Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 805.1,8,4,9,10
Adila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat died between 1060 and 1071.4
     GAV-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 805.3


Adila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat
Per Med Lands:
     "ADELA (-after [1060/71]). “Berengarius vicecomes de Cartlato et uxor mea Adila et mater uxoris meæ Nobilis” founded Montsalvy monastery, with the consent of “filii nostri Ricardus, Girbertus, Raimundus”, by charter dated to [1060/71][740]. Vicomtesse de Carlat.
     "m (before 1050) BERENGER [II] Vicomte de Millau et de Gévaudan, son of RICHARD Vicomte de Millau et de Rodez & his wife Rixinde de --- (-[1080/5 Jan 1097])."
Med lands cites: [740] Documents Carlat, Tome II, Supplement I, p. 1.4 Adila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat was also known as Adele (?) vicomtesse de Carlat et de Lodeve.8

Adila (?) Vicomtesse de Carlat and Berenguer II (?) vicomte de Millau-Gévaudan
Per Racines et Histoire: "ès 1097 vicomte de Rodez, Millau, Carlat et Gévaudan (48, 1077)
     ép. dès 1050 (ou ~1053) Adèle (Adila) de Carlat, vicomtesse de Carlat, Bénavent et de Lodève (fille de Gilbert II, vicomte de Carlat et Bénavent, et de Nobilie de Lodève.)5"

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adila: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197692&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adila: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197692&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUVERGNE.htm#AdelaCarlatMBerengerMillau. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Rouergue & de Rodez,p. 8: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Rouergue-Rodez.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nobilia: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197695&tree=LEO
  7. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  8. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005, m. 1050, Adele, vicomtesse de Carlat et de Lodeve.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berenguer II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197691&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulnoreast.htm#BerengerIIMillaudied1080
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197689&tree=LEO

Gilbert II/III (?) vicomte de Carlat1,2,3

M, #6750, b. 1005
FatherBernard I (?) vicomte de Carlat4
MotherErmengarde (?)5
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited4 May 2020
     Gilbert II/III (?) vicomte de Carlat married Nobilia (?) Vicomtesse de Lodeve, daughter of Odon/Eudes (?) vicomte de Lodeve and Chimberge (?).6,7,8 Gilbert II/III (?) vicomte de Carlat was born in 1005.9
     GAV-27.

Gilbert II/III (?) vicomte de Carlat
Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 805.1 Gilbert II/III (?) vicomte de Carlat was also known as Girbert II vicomte de Carlat.2 He was living in 1048.2

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197694&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005, 122. Girbert II, vicomte de Carlat (1048). Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUVERGNE.htm#AdelaCarlatMBerengerMillau. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005, 244. Bernard Ier, vicomte de Carlat (+ apres 996).
  5. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nobilia: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197695&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bilbert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197694&tree=LEO
  8. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005, 123. m. Nobilie, vicomtesse de Lodeve (1048).
  9. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adila: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197692&tree=LEO
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Rouergue & de Rodez,p. 8: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Rouergue-Rodez.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.