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     Osburh/Osburga (?) was born in 810 at Wessex, England.³ She married Aethelwulf (?) King of Wessex, son of Ecgberht (?) King of Wessex and Redburga (Raedburh) (?), circa 830
;
His 2nd wife.^4,1,5
Osburh/Osburga (?) died circa 852; Genealogy.EU (Cerdic 1 page) says d. 852/4.^4,1
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: "Ethelwulf, King of Wessex (839-855)+(857-858), King of Essex, Sussex & Kent (839-58), *ca 795/810, +13.1.858, bur Winchester Cathedral;
     1m: ca 830 Osburga (+852/5), dau.of Oslac of Hampshire or the Isle of Wight;
     2m: Verberie-sur-Oise, France 1/15.10.856 Judith of Franks (*843/444, +after 870); all issue from 1m."⁶

; Per Weis: "Aethelwulf (1-13), King of Wessex (England), 839-858, d. 13 Jan 858; m 1) Osburh, dau. of Oslac."⁷
; Per Med Lands:
     ""ÆTHELWULF, son of ECGBERHT King of Wessex & his wife Redburga --- ([795/810]-13 Jan 858, bur Winchester Cathedral). The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle names Æthelwulf as son of Ecgberht[1486]. Kirby suggests[1487] that Æthelwulf could have been born as late as 810, although this would not be consistent with the supposed date of his father's marriage and is unlikely to be correct if Æthelstan (see below) was King Æthelwulf's son. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that in 825 "Egbert king of Wessex…sent his son Æthelwulf…and Wulfheard his ealdorman to Kent with a great force" where they expelled King Baldred[1488]. "Æthelwulfi regis filii mei" was co-grantor of land at Canterbury to "Ciaba clericus" with "Ægberhtus rex occidentalium Saxonum" by charter dated 836[1489]. "Æthelwulf rex Cancie" was co-grantor of land in Kent with "Egberthus rex occident Saxonum pater meus" by charters dated [833/39] and 838 respectively[1490]. Under-King of Kent, Essex, Sussex and Surrey 825-839. He succeeded his father in 839 as ÆTHELWULF King of Wessex, crowned [later in 839] at Kingston-upon-Thames. Danish raids intensified during his reign. Great damage was done in Lindsey, East Anglia and Kent in 841, and Southampton was plundered in 842. Before 850, King Æthelwulf had settled the ancient dispute with Mercia about the lands to the west of the middle Thames by transferring Berkshire from Mercia to Wessex[1491]. He defeated a large Danish army south of the Thames at Aclea in 851 after it had stormed Canterbury and London and driven Burghred King of Mercia to flight[1492]. King Æthelwulf made a pilgrimage to Rome in 855, leaving the government in the hands of his son Æthelbald. At the request of Pope Benedict III, he made a public distribution of gold and silver to the clergy, leading men of Rome and the people[1493]. William of Malmesbury records that Æthelbald rebelled against his father during his absence and, after returning, King Æthelwulf abdicated part of his realm in Wessex in favour of his son to avoid civil war, continuing to rule in the other part of Wessex, Kent, Surrey, Sussex and Essex[1494]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records the death of King Æthelwulf two years after returning from Rome and his burial at Winchester[1495].
     "[m] [firstly] ([815/20]) ---. There is no direct proof of this supposed first marriage. However, the likely birth date of King Æthelwulf's son Æthelstan suggests a substantial age difference with his brothers, indicating that he was probably not born from the same mother.
     "m [secondly] ([830/33]) OSBURGA, daughter of OSLAC Ealdorman of the Isle of Wight & his wife --- (-[852/55]). Asser names "Osburga…daughter of Oslac the famous butler of King Æthelwulf…a Goth by nation" as the mother of King Alfred, specifying that her father was descended from "the Goths and Jutes…namely of Stuf and Whitgar two brothers…who…received possession of the Isle of Wight from their uncle King Cerdic"[1496]. She is named as mother of King Alfred by Roger of Hoveden, who also names her father, specifying that he was "pincerna regis"[1497].
     "m [thirdly] ([Verberie-sur-Oise] 1 Oct 856) as her first husband, JUDITH of the Franks, daughter of CHARLES II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks & his first wife Ermentrudis [d’Orléans] ([844]-after 870). The Annales Bertiniani record the betrothal in Jul 856 of "Iudith filiam Karli regis" and "Edilvulf rex occidentalium Anglorum" after the latter returned from Rome and their marriage "Kal Oct in Vermaria palatio", during which "Ingmaro Durocortori Remorum episcopo" set a queen's diadem on her head[1498]. She and her father are named by Roger of Hoveden when he records her marriage to King Æthelwulf[1499]. Her husband placed her "by his own side on the regal throne", contrary to normal practice according to Asser, who also says that the subservient position previously given to the queen was adopted in Wessex after the reign of King Beorhtric because of the unpopular influence of his queen Eadburh of Mercia[1500]. Queen Judith married secondly ([858/59]) her stepson, Æthelbald King of Wessex. The Annales Bertiniani record the marriage of "Iudit reginam" and "Adalboldus filius eius [=Edilvulf regis]" in 858 after the death of her first husband[1501]. She eloped with her future third husband, Baudouin I Count of Flanders, around Christmas 861 and married him at Auxerre end-863. The Annales Bertiniani record that Judith returned to her father after the death of her second husband, lived at Senlis "sub tuitione paterna", and from there was abducted by "Balduinum comitem" with the consent of her brother Louis, her father consenting to the marriage the following year[1502]. Flodoard names "Balduini comitis et Iudita…Karoli regis filia, Edilvulfo regi Anglorum qui et Edelboldus in matrimonium"[1503].
     "[Mistress (1): ---. The uncertain nature of the precise relationship of King Æthelberht to the royal family is explained below, one of the possibilities being that he was an illegitimate son of King Æthelwulf by an unknown concubine.]
Medieval Lands cites:
For further information: GAV-31 EDV-32 GKJ-31. Osburh/Osburga (?) was also known as Osburga (?)⁸

     Redburga (Raedburh) (?) was born in 788 at Wessex, England.^5,6 She married Ecgberht (?) King of Wessex, son of Ealhmund (?) King of Kent, between 789 and 792.^7,2,8,9,3

     GAV-32.

; Wednesday, 6 September, 2006


Hello All,

The subject of Redburh (Rædburh, also Redburga), wife of
Egbert of Wessex (King of Wessex 802-839), and her ancestry has
been a matter of debate for some time. Described by "regis
Francorum sororia" [ sister of the king of the Franks ] in an early, but possibly not contemporary,
record, she has been variously identified as a sister or
sister-in-law of Charlemagne [1].

Something Chico Doria wrote in 1998 struck a cord the other
day. He suggested that the name Redburh sounded 'Robertinian',
i.e. similar to names found in the family of the Counts of Paris
(ancestors of the Capetian Kings of France). In particular, he
queried as to the equation or derivation, " Raedburh < ?
Hrodtburga or something similar " [2]. This suggestion deserves
further exploration, and certainly presents a good possibility
for the origin of Redburh.

Louis the Pious, king of the Franks (Holy Roman Emperor) was
married to his first wife Ermengarde in 794, with their issue
having been born during the period 795-805. As Louis was born in
778, it is reasonable to assume that Ermengarde was born say
778-780, and that she was likely aged between 16 and 17 (no less
than 15) when their first son Lothar was born in 795. This
reasonably parallels the family of Egbert. He was most
likely married to Redburh during his exile on the Continent,
between 799 and (probably no later than) 802. The birth date of
Egbert's son Ethelwulf is usually placed between 802 and 806,
although I have not noted a contemporary source for same.

While it is true that Charlemagne was King of the Franks
during the period that Egbert was in exile, it is also true that
his son Louis succeeded him as King of the Franks in 814, and
ruled as same (as well as Emperor) for 26 years, until his
death in 840. Louis and Egbert were more likely of the same
approximate age than say Charlemagne and Egbert: the greater
likelihood would be that the two would have married ladies of
a similar age (or younger).

Part of the uncertainty here derives from the dating of the
Trinity College MS cited by Searle. The question here is, how
contemporaneous was the document to the early 9th century, and
how best to interpret the term 'regis Francorum'? If the
meaning is the straightforward traditional approach, certainly
Charlemagne was intended: however, if the meaning is that
Redburh was sister-in-law to he who was King of the Franks when
the author of the MS wrote this entry, that could well mean
Louis, and not Charlemagne. Certainly, the careers of Louis
and Egbert would make their being 'brothers-in-law' more
likely than Charlemagne and Egbert.

The family of the Robertines (or the Counts of Hesbaye as
you may prefer) is now better understood, thanks to the work
of Christian Settipani and several others. If the name Redburh
is a Wessex rendering of Hrodtburga, or Chrodburga, it would
certainly point towards the possibility of a connection to
the family of Chrodegang, Bishop of Metz [see table below].
Given the problems in dealing with this family to date, the
possibility of a daughter of Count Ingram (father-in-law of
Louis the Pious) of the name Chrodburga being otherwise
unaccounted for in Frankish records is certainly believable.
Chico's suggestion, in addition to some onomastic support,
would (based on chronology and the Trinity College text) point
towards a sister-in-law of Louis the Pious as the best
candidate for Egbert's wife.

The following chart illustrates the conjecture relationship
(Redburh's connection to Ermengarde shown as a broken line
_ _ _ _).



NN = Landrada
__________________I______________________
I I I
Chrodegang NN Chrodbert
Bishop of Metz " fratris [Robert]
d. 766 Hruotgangi " I
I I
I I
Charlemagne = (2) Hildegarde Count Ingram Robert
d. 814 I of Hesbaye C of Worms
I I d. 822
____I __________I_ _ _ I
I I I I
Louis 'the Pious' = 1) Ermengarde ?Chrodburga? Robert
King of the Franks I (m. 794) (rex Francorum) I d. 818 Rædburh> d. 866
814-840 I = Egbert I
b. 778; d. 840 I (m. 799x802) V
I d. 838/839
I I
__________________I_________ _____I_________
I I I I I I I
Lothar Pepin I Rotrude Louis Ethelwulf Ethelstan
fl. ___I fl. <Æthelwulf> <Æthelstan>
795-855 I 805-876 b. ca. 802- d. 850
Hildegarde 806
d. 858



There is no noted issue concerning consanguinity, as least
insofar as has been noted as yet. Ethelwulf, son of Egbert and
Redburh, was married (2ndly) to Judith, daughter of Charles
(the Bald), King of France and son of Louis 'the Pious'.
However, Charles was the son of Louis by his 2nd wife Judith.
Judith (the wife of Ethelwulf) was not related to Redburh.

There are possibly similar names in other families. By his
3rd wife Chruodhaid, Charles Martel had a son Bernhard, and
allegedly Bernhard's daughter Rothais (or Chruodhaid) was the
concubine of her cousin Pepin, King of Italy (d. 810, brother
of Louis the Pious). While the title 'king of the Franks' in
the Trinity College MS cited by Searle seems definitive, the
matter cannot be shown as proven.

Cheers,

John *


NOTES

[1] William George Searle, Anglo-Saxon Bishops, Kings and Nobles:
The Succession of the Bishops and the Pedigrees of the Kings
and Nobles [Cambridge: the University Press, 1899], p. 343.
Text and annotations (entitled Anglo-Saxon Pedigrees
Annotated-Part 1, transcribed by Michael Wood) courtesy
Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, http://fmg.ac/

See the SGM archives for numerous discussions on this issue.


[2] Francisco Antonio Doria, of 'sororia'>, SGM, 9 June 1998.



* John P. Ravilious.¹⁰



Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 2:78.³

; Stone (2000) chart 10-12: "...'regis Francorum sororia' i.e., a relative (probably daughter or grandaughter) of a sister of the King of the Franks; possibly identical to St. Ida."^5,6 Redburga (Raedburh) (?) was also known as Eadburh.⁴

; Per Genealogy.EU (Ceric): “A1. Egbert, Subregulus of Kent (790/6), King of Wessex (802-39), King of Mercia (829-30), Overlord of "England" (827-39), *ca 769/80, +4.2.839/VI.839, bur Winchester Cathedral; m. Redburga, perhaps the sister of Charlemagne”.²

; Per Med Lands:
     "ECGBERHT, son of EALHMUND Under-King of Kent & his wife --- ([769/80]-4 Feb or [Jun] 839, bur Winchester Cathedral). The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that "Egbert succeeded to the kingdom of Wessex" after the death of Beorhtric in 802, in a later passage describing him as Ecgberht as son of Ealhmund, and in another passage which setting out his complete ancestry from his son Æthelwulf King of Wessex[1466]. According to the Chronicle, Ecgberht was expelled from England in 789 by King Beorhtric after he unsuccessfully challenged Beorhtric's succession[1467]. It may be significant that "England" rather than "Wessex" is specified in this passage of the Chronicle. Ecgberht's father was king of Kent around this time, and it is possible that the expulsion was from Kent, maybe a consequence of his father being deposed as Kentish king. According to William of Malmesbury, Beorhtric was allied with Offa King of Mercia at this time. He explains that Ecgberht had sought refuge with King Offa after his expulsion by King Beorhtric, but that the latter bribed Offa for Ecgberht's surrender and was offered Offa's daughter in marriage in return[1468]. Ecgberht sought refuge at the Frankish court until [792][1469]. Under-King in Kent in [796][1470]. On Beorhtric's death, he established himself in 802 as ECGBERHT King of Wessex, rebelling against Mercian overlordship. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that he ravaged the Britons of Dumnonia (Cornwall) 815[1471]. He defeated Beornwulf King of Mercia in 825 at Ellendun [=Wroughton, Wiltshire], which marked the end of Mercian ascendancy. King Ecgberht immediately sent his son Æthelwulf with a large army into Kent, which submitted to him along with Surrey, Sussex and Essex. East Anglia, in revolt against Mercia, turned to Ecgberht for protection[1472]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that Ecgberht conquered Mercia in 829[1473], taking the title rex Merciorum, from evidence provided by a limited number of coins[1474], but lost control of Mercia again in 830. He exacted tribute from Eanred King of Northumbria in 829. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that the first Danish raiders landed at Sheppey in 835 and King Ecgberht was defeated by Viking invaders at Carhampton in 836[1475], but defeated the Vikings at Hingston Down, Cornwall in 838[1476], which is probably when Cornwall was integrated into Wessex. "Ægberhtus rex occidentalium Saxonum" granted land at Canterbury to "Ciaba clericus", jointly with "Æthelwulfi regis filii mei", by charter dated 836[1477]. "Æthelwulf rex Cancie" was co-grantor of land in Kent with "Egberthus rex occident Saxonum pater meus" by charters dated [833/39] and 838 respectively[1478]. Despite his successes, he does not seem to have claimed overlordship over all the southern English or referred to himself as king of England. He is listed as eighth bretwalda in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle[1479], supplementing the original list given by Bede. William of Malmesbury records that King Ecgberht died "after a reign of thirty-seven years" and was buried at Winchester[1480]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that Ecgberht died in 839[1481].
     "m ([789/92]) REDBURGA, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. According to Weir, she is said to have been "sister of the king of the Franks", who at the time was Charles I, later Emperor "Charlemagne", but her identity is uncertain[1482]. The primary source on which this is based has not been identified. If her origin was Frankish, King Ecgberht presumably married her during his exile at the Frankish court between [789/792]."
Med Lands cites:

[1466] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A and E, 802, and A, 855.
[1467] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A, 836 [839].
[1468] Malmesbury II, 106, p. 83.
[1469] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A, 836 [839]
[1470] Weir (2002), p. 4.
[1471] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A and E, 813 [815].
[1472] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A and E, 823 [825].
[1473] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A and E, 827 [829].
[1474] Stenton (2001), p. 232.
[1475] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A and E, 833 [836].
[1476] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A and E, 835 [838].
[1477] S 279.
[1478] S 323 and S 286.
[1479] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A and E, 827 [829].
[1480] William of Malmesbury II, pp. 85-6.
[1481] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, A and E. 836 (839).
[1482] Weir (2002), p. 4. She is not mentioned in Settipani (1993).⁹

     Eafa (?) was born in 732 at Wessex, England.^3,4
     GAV-34 EDV-35 GKJ-34.

; Eafa, son of Eoppa, did not rule.⁵

     Eoppa (?) was born in 706 at Wessex, England.^6,7
     GAV-35 EDV-35 GKJ-35.

; Eoppa, son of Ingild, father of Eafa, did not rule.⁸

     Ingild/Ingeld (?) was born in 680 at Wessex, England; Ajcffriend says b. ca 670.⁵ He married Aethelberga (?), daughter of Wihtred (?) King of Kent, circa 694.⁶

Ingild/Ingeld (?) died in 718.^7,1
     GAV-39 EDV-37.

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Weis: “Ingild, d. 718, don of Cenred and father of Eoppa, did not rule. (ASC, 688, 715, 718, 722, 728, 855; Searle, 330-335).”.⁸

; "Ingild, d. 718, son of Cenred and father of Eoppa, did not rule. From the Anglo Saxon Chronicle: "A.D. 718. This year died Ingild, the brother of Ina." Ina reigned thirty-seven winters, fought at Warborough, 715, and in 728, "went to Rome, and there gave up the ghost." "A.D. 688. Ina was the son of Cenred, Cenred of Ceolwald; Ceolwald was the brother of Cynegils; and both were the sons of Cuthwin, who was the son of Ceawlin; Ceawlin was the son of Cynric, and Cynric of Cerdic ... . 854. And Ethelwulf was the son of Egbert, Egbert of Eahlmund, Eahlmund of Eafa, Eafa of Eoppa, Eoppa of Ingild; Ingild was the brother of Ina, King of the West Saxons, who held that kingdom thirty-seven winters, and afterwards went to St. Peter, where he died. And they were the sons of Cenred, Cenred of Ceolwald, Ceolwald of Cutha, Cutha of Cuthwine, Cuthwine of Ceawlin, Ceawlin of Cynric, Cynric of (Creoda, Creoda of) Cerdic."^9,10

     Cenred (?) was born in 644 at Wessex, England.
     GAV-37 EDV-38 GKJ-37.

; Cenred, son of Ceolwald, and father of King Ina and Ingild, did not rule.^3,4

     Ceolwald (?) was born in 622 at Wessex, England.
     GAV-38 EDV-39 GKJ-38.

; Ceolwald, did not rule. He visited Rome 688. King Cynegils, his brother, was baptized, 635, by Bishop Birinus at Dorchester.^3,4

     Cuthwulf (Cutha) (?) was born in 600 at Wessex, England.³
     GAV-39 EDV-40 GKJ-39.

; Cutha, or Cuthwulf, son of Cuthwine and father of Ceolwald and the younger Cynegils, did not rule.^4,3

     Iseult (?) married John VI le Strange 2nd Lord Strange of Knockyn, son of Sir John V le Strange Knt., 1st Lord Strange of Knockyn and Maud de Walton, before 1296.^1,3,2,4

Iseult (?) died after 18 May 1324.¹
      ; Per Med Lands: "JOHN [VI] le Strange ([1281/82]-[6] Feb 1311). Lord Strange (of Knokyn). m ISOLDA, daughter of --- (-after 18 May 1324)."⁴

; Per Christou Gedcom: "CP 12 p 353 John VI Lord Strange son and heir aged 27 at his father's death. He married Iselt. He died on or before 6 Feb 1310/1. His widow was living 18 May 1324.“.⁵

; Per Burke's: "JOHN (VI) LESTRANGE, 2nd Lord (Baron) Strange (of Knokyn); b c 1282; m Iseult (d on or after 18 May 1324) and d by 6 Feb 1310/1“.¹ EDV-19 GKJ-20. Iseult (?) was also known as Iselt (?)

Reference: Genealogics cites: Iseult (?) was also known as Isolda (?)⁴ She was living on 18 May 1324.²

      .¹

     Aethelred I (?) King of Wessex was born circa 837; Genealogy.EU (Cerdic 1 page) says b. ca 840.^4,1 He married Wilfrid (?) between 867 and 868.^4,1

Aethelred I (?) King of Wessex died on 23 April 871 at Witchampton, near Wimborne, England; Weis says d. 872.^5,4,1,2
Aethelred I (?) King of Wessex was buried after 23 April 871 at Wimborne Minster, Dorsetshire, England.¹
     GAV-30 EDV-32.

; Per Weis: “Aethelred I, King of Wessex (England) 868-872, d. 872.”.² He was King of Wessex: [Ashley, p. 318-319] ATHELRED (I) Wessex, 865/6-23 April 871. The third son of ATHELWOLF, he was born about the year 837. His father had bequeathed Wessex to Athelred in his will, should ATHELBALD die childless, but Athelred had probably not expected to become king. He had little time to think about the consequences, for from the start of his reign he was confronted with a series of Danish raids and invasions, which had become considerably more aggressive since the coordinated attacks of IVARR THE BONELESS and his brother HALFDAN. These two Danes lived in Dublin from where they co-coordinated their fleet, but they became incensed when their father Ragnar Lodbrok, who had been harrying the eastern coat of Britain for the last year, and had wintered during 865/6 in East Anglia, was killed in York by AELLE. The two brothers now brought all their forces to bear upon England. They conquered York in November 866, rebuffing a counter-attack by AELLE in March 867. Deira became a Viking kingdom (Jorvik). The army marched south and occupied Nottingham. BURGRED of Mercia sought Athelred's help in dislodging the Danes but this proved impossible, and they were forced to negotiate. The Danes returned to York in 868 and then sailed south to East Anglia in 869, where the local king EDMUND was killed. By 870 they were prepared to advance on Wessex. They were now joined by another army under the leadership of GUTHRUM. This was a major invasion force. If the Danes could conquer Wessex, England would fall to them. The first battle was at Reading, where the Danes occupied a royal villa. The ealdorman Athelwolf, who had bravely fought the Danes on several previous occasions, met them again at Englefield, where he put a raiding party to flight. However, a few days later the Danes caught the Saxons by surprise and Athelwolf was killed. Athelred and his brother ALFRED had just arrived at this point and only narrowly escaped. The Saxon forces regrouped at Ashdown in Wiltshire, which was the site of the next engagement. The Saxons celebrated this as a victory, because they killed many of the Danish earls including one of their kings, Bacseg, but the Danes were able to regroup just two weeks later for the battle of Basing, and this time the Danes were victorious. The winter of 870/87 1 was a harrowing one in England as the Danes sacked and plundered their way through the countryside. The next major engagement was in early 871 at Meredune, believed to be Martin in Hampshire. This was another indecisive battle, with considerable slaughter on both sides, and the advantage going first to the Saxons but ultimately to the Danes. Athelred was seriously injured in the battle and died of his wounds a few weeks later at Witchampton, near Wimborne, where he was buried. The nation had no time for mourning, although the shock of Athelred's death must have reverberated about the kingdom. He had married Wulfrida in 867 or 868 and had two infant sons (see ATHELWOLD), but their future looked bleak. As the spring of 871 came to England the fate of the Saxons rested in the hands of one man: Alfred. between 866 and 23 April 871.^6,7,4 He was King of Wessex between 868 and 872.²

     GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28.

.¹

     Lancelin 1er (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency et de la Flèche married Alberge (?)⁴

Lancelin 1er (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency et de la Flèche died in 1055 at Beaugency, Departement du Loiret, Centre, France (now).^1,5
Lancelin 1er (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency et de la Flèche was buried in 1055 at Orleans Cathedrale, Orléans, Departement du Loiret, Centre, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Beaugency, Departement du Loiret, Centre, France
     DEATH     unknown, Beaugency, Departement du Loiret, Centre, France
     Family Members
     Parents
      Landry de Beaugency
      Agnes de Vendôme
     Children
      Jean de la Fleche de Beaugency 1030–1097
     BURIAL     Orleans Cathedrale, Orleans, Departement du Loiret, Centre, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 7 Feb 2016
     Find A Grave Memorial 157901317.⁵
     GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-27.

; Leo van de Pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 175.¹
; NB: Racines et Histoire (Maine and Beaugency) both say that Paule married Lancelin I de Beaugency. However, The Henry Project, Genealogics and Med Lands argue that she in fact m. Lancelin's son, Jean de Beaugency.
Conclusion: I have chosen to follow The Henry Project, Genealogics and Med Lands. GA Vaut.^{6,7,8,9,10,11,12} He was living between 1051 and 1060.³

     Lancelin II (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency married Alberga (?)¹
Lancelin II (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency was born circa 1020.¹
Lancelin II (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency died after 24 September 1098.^4,1
     EDV-28.

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 175
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 45.¹

; In 1079 he founded the religious house of Saint-Sepulchre de Baugency.¹

     Alberga (?) married Lancelin II (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency, son of Lancelin 1er (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency et de la Flèche and Alberge (?).¹

     EDV-26 GKJ-27.

.²

     Raoul I de Beaugency Seigneur de Beaugency was born circa 1068.^1,3 He married Mathilde (?) before 1069
; his 1st wife.³ Raoul I de Beaugency Seigneur de Beaugency married Mahaut/Mathilda de Vermandois dame de Crépy, daughter of Hugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc. and Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy), in 1090
; his 2nd wife.^1,2,3
Raoul I de Beaugency Seigneur de Beaugency died in 1113; Leo van de Pas says d. va 1115; Racines et Histoire syas d. 1130 (ou 1113 ?)^1,2,3
     EDV-27.

; Leo van de pas cites: 1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 175
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 45.^6,2 He was Crusader, with Robert, comte de Flandres in 1096.³

     Mahaut/Mathilda de Vermandois dame de Crépy was born in 1080.¹ She married Raoul I de Beaugency Seigneur de Beaugency, son of Lancelin II (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency and Alberga (?), in 1090
; his 2nd wife.^1,6,2

     Hugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc. was born in 1057 at Vermandois, France.^5,3,4,8,9 He married Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy), daughter of Héribert IV/VI de Vermandois Comte de Vermandois et de Valois and Adèle/Adela/Adelais de Valois Comtesse de Valois, after 1067.^{4,10,3,5,11,12,8,9}

Hugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc. died on 18 October 1101 at Tarsus, Mersin (now, Cilicia then), Turkey (now); Genealogy.EU (Capet 8 page) say d. 1102.^3,4,5,8,9
Hugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc. was buried after 18 October 1101 at Church of St. Paul, Mersin, Mersin, Turkey; Per Find a Grave:
     BIRTH     1057
     DEATH     18 Oct 1101 (aged 43–44)
     Nobility. Son of Henri I of France and his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev. He married Adelais de Vermandois who bore him nine children.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Henri I 1008–1060
          Anna Agnesa Yaroslavna 1036–1075
     Spouse
          Adelaide, Countess of Vermandois
     Siblings
          Philip I of France 1052–1108
     Children
          Isabel Vermandois Beaumont de Warenne 1081–1131
          Raoul I de Vermandois 1094–1152
     BURIAL     Church of St Paul, Mersin, Mersin, Turkey
     Created by: Lutetia
     Added: 13 Jan 2013
     Find a Grave Memorial 103487897.^4,13,9,14
     Reference: Genealogics cites: He was Count of Valois.³ He was Marquis of Orleans, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Paris, Valois and Vermandois.¹⁵

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Hugh (1057 – October 18, 1101),[1][2] called the Great (Latin Hugo Magnus) was the first count of Vermandois from the House of Capet. He is known primarily for taking part in the First Crusade. His nickname Magnus (greater or elder) is probably a bad translation into Latin of a French nickname, le Maisné, meaning "the younger", referring to Hugh as younger brother of King Philip I of France.[3]
Family
     "Hugh was a younger son of King Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev and younger brother of Philip I.[4] He married Adelaide of Vermandois,[5] the daughter of Herbert IV, Count of Vermandois and Adele of Valois. The couple had 9 children: Matilda, who married Ralph I of Beaugency;[5] Elizabeth, Countess of Leicester (d. 1131); Beatrice (fl. 1144), who married Hugh IV of Gournay; Ralph I, Count of Vermandois (d. 1152); Constance, who married Godfrey de la Ferté-Gaucher; Agnes (living 1125), who married Boniface del Vasto; Henry, Lord of Chaumont en Vexin (d. 1130); Simon (d. 1148); and William (d. c. 1096).
Countship
     "Hugh became the first Capetian count of Vermandois after his mentally deficient brother-in-law, Odo, was inherited. In 1085, Hugh helped William the Conqueror repel a Danish invasion of England.[6]
First Crusade
     "Early 1096 Hugh and Philip began discussing the First Crusade after news of the Council of Clermont reached them in Paris.[7] Although Philip could not participate, as he had been excommunicated,[4] Hugh was said to have been influenced to join the Crusade after an eclipse of the moon on February 11, 1096.[8][9] Late August 1096 Hugh and a small army left France and travelled via the Alps and Rome to Bari, where he would cross the Adriatic Sea into territory of the Byzantine Empire, unlike most crusaders who travelled over land.[10] His armada was possibly commanded by Arnout II, Count of Aarschot. According to Anna Comnena's chronicle the Alexiad Hugh sent an 'absurd' message to her father, Eastern Roman Emperor Alexius I Comnenus, demanding a proper welcome:
     "In response to this message the emperor sent 'urgent instructions' to his nephew John Komnenos, the doux (governor) of Dyrrhachium, and Nicholas Maurokatakalon, commander of the Byzantine fleet, to look out for Hugh and to inform him immediately when he arrived.[12]
     "Meanwhile Hugh had reached the coast of Longobardi and dispatched twenty-four envoys to the Doux of Dyrrhachium with the following message: 'Be it known to you, Doux, that our Lord Hugh is almost here. He brings with him from Rome the golden standard of St Peter. Understand, moreover, that he is supreme commander of the Frankish army. See to it then that he is accorded a reception worthy of his rank and yourself prepare to meet him.'[13] Whilst sailing the Adriatic Sea from Bari towards Illyricum, Hugh's fleet was overtaken by a heavy storm and most ships were lost. His own ship was thrown upon the shore near Epirus. When Hugh was found and brought to Dyrrhachium John Komnenos treated him to a banquet and he was allowed to rest. By order of the emperor Hugh was closely escorted by Manuel Boutoumites. Eventually Hugh was given an audience by the emperor, who persuaded him to become his liegeman.[14][15]
     "The German historian Hans Eberhard Mayer argued that Alexius was fortunate that the first contingent of the crusader army to arrive in Constantinople, led by Hugh, was very small and easy to control. Alexius 'discreetly but unmistakably' restricted Hugh's freedom of movement 'until he was ready to swear that all territories which had belonged to Byzantium before the Turkish invasions would be restored. Moreover any conquests made to the east [...] would be held as fiefs.'[16]
     "Anna Comnena recorded a conversation between Hugh and Godfrey of Bouillon, wherein Hugh tried to persuade Godfrey to pledge allegiance to Alexius. Godfrey however refused, saying: 'you left your own country as a ruler [...] with all that wealth and a strong army; now from the heights you've brought yourself to the level of a slave. And then, as if you had won some great success, have you come here to tell me to do the same?' Hugh replied: 'we ought to have stayed in our own countries and kept our hands off other people's [...] but since we've come thus far and need the emperor's protection, no good will come of it unless we obey his orders.'[17]
     "After the Crusaders had successfully made their way across Seljuk territory and, in 1098, captured Antioch, Hugh was sent back to Constantinople to appeal for reinforcements from Alexius. The emperor was uninterested,[18] however, and Hugh, instead of returning to Antioch to help plan the siege of Jerusalem, went back to France. There he was scorned for not having fulfilled his vow as a Crusader to complete a pilgrimage to Jerusalem, and Pope Paschal II threatened to excommunicate him. He joined the minor Crusade of 1101, but was wounded in battle with the Turks led by Kilij Arslan I at the second battle of Heraclea in September, and died of his wounds in October in Tarsus.[19]
References
1. Guibert of Nogent, Dei gesta per Francos 7.23, R.B.C. Huygens ed., CC CM 127A (Turnhout 1996), 313.
2. Fulcheri Carnotensis, Historia Hierosolymitana, Liber II, XVI, 7, H. Hagenmeyer ed. (Heidelberg 1913), 433n.
3. Cf. Steven Runciman; Rosalind Hill traces the error to the anonymous Gesta Francorum, and explains it as a confusion with the old French "maisné" (younger brother) (R. Hill and R. A. B. Mynors (eds), 'Gesta Francorum et aliorum Hierosolimitanorum, 1962, London, xi-xii).
4. Peters 1971, p. 35.
5. Suger, The Deeds of Louis the Fat, transl. Richard C. Cusimano and John Moorhead, (Catholic University of America Press, 1992), 191–192 note19.
6. Christopher Tyerman, How to Plan a Crusade. Reason and Religious War in the High Middle Ages (London 2015), 134.
7. Jean Flori, Pierre L'Ermite et la Première Croisade (Paris 1999), 232.
8. Jean Flori, Pierre L'Ermite et la Première Croisade (Paris 1999), 232.
9. Thomas Asbridge, The First Crusade, a new history. The roots of conflict between Christianity and Islam (New York 2004), 56.
10. Thomas Asbridge, The First Crusade, a new history. The roots of conflict between Christianity and Islam (New York 2004), 92.
11. Anna Komnene, The Alexiad, E.R.A. Sewter and Peter Frankopan eds. (London 2009), 279.
12. Anna Komnene, The Alexiad, E.R.A. Sewter and Peter Frankopan eds. (London 2009), 279.
13. Anna Komnene, The Alexiad, E.R.A. Sewter and Peter Frankopan eds. (London 2009), 280.
14. Anna Komnene, The Alexiad, E.R.A. Sewter and Peter Frankopan eds. (London 2009), 280–281.
15. Peter Frankopan, The First Crusade. The call from the east (Cambridge, Massachusetts 2012), 124–125.
16. Hans Eberhard Mayer, The Crusades, translated by John Gillingham (Oxford 1972), 48.
17. Anna Komnene, The Alexiad, E.R.A. Sewter and Peter Frankopan eds. (London 2009), 288.
18. In "Urban's Crusade--Success or Failure" (Key, 1948) it is argued, indeed to the contrary, that the emperor was disturbed by Hugh's report and the disquieting rumors emitting from Antioch (on Bohemond's intent and conduct) and promptly set out to prepare another expedition: "...Alexius immediately began preparations for another expedition, and he furthermore sent envoys to the crusaders to announce its coming."
19. Brown 1984, p. 161."

Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
     "Hugues Ier de Vermandois, dit « Hugues le Grand », né en 1057, mort le 18 octobre 1101, comte de Vermandois et de Valois, fils d'Henri Ier, roi de France, et d'Anne de Kiev.
Biographie
     "Capétien, il épouse Adélaïde de Vermandois (v.1062 † 1122), carolingienne, fille d'Herbert IV, comte de Vermandois et de Valois, et d'Alix de Valois. Il succède à son beau-père en 1080. Il est ainsi le fondateur de la lignée des comtes de Vermandois capétiens.
     "Il fonde une collégiale à Saint-Quentin en l'honneur de Sainte Pexine.
     "Il prend la croix avec Godefroy de Bouillon et combat au siège de Nicée, à Dorylée. Après la prise d'Antioche, où il gagne le surnom de « Grand », les Turcs viennent assiéger la ville et Hugues, découragé, abandonne les croisés et revient en France sans avoir accompli son vœu. La prise de Jérusalem le couvre de honte et, pour réparer son manquement, il repart vers la Palestine ; il est blessé dans un combat au bord du fleuve Halys et meurt à Tarse, en Cilicie.
Enfants
     "De son épouse, il a :
Notes et références
1. André-Guillaume Contant d'Orville, André René de Voyer d'Argenson de Paulmy, Mélanges tirés d'une grande bibliothèque, vol. 21, p. 184-185, [lire en ligne [archive]]
2. L'orthographe et le français d'origine ont été conservés."¹⁶

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES de France, son of HENRI I King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus, Church of St Paul). The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum names (in order) "Philippum, Hugonem atque Rotbertum" as the three sons of King Henri and his wife Anna[293]. William of Tyre records "dominus Hugo Magnus" as brother of Philippe I King of France[294]. Orderic Vitalis names "Philippum et Hugonem Magnum Crispeii comitem" as the children of "Henricus…Francorum rex" and his wife "Bertradam, Julii Claudii regis Russiæ filiam"[295]. He succeeded as Comte de Vermandois et de Valois, by right of his wife. He left France in Aug 1096 as head of the contingent of his brother Philippe I King of France which left on the First Crusade[296]. Orderic Vitalis records that in 1096 "Hugo Crispeii comes" placed "Radulfo et Henrico filiis suis" in charge of his land, married "Ysabel filiam suam" to "Rodberto de Mellento comiti", and left on pilgrimage taking "secum nobile agmen Francorum"[297]. The Alexeiad names "a certain Hugh, brother of the king of France" when recording that he "sent an absurd message to the emperor proposing that he should be given a magnificent reception" after arriving in Constantinople[298]. He was shipwrecked off Durazzo, but accompanied to Constantinople by the Byzantine admiral Manuel Butumites[299]. Albert of Aix records that "Hugonem Magnum fratrem regis Franciæ, Drogonem et Clareboldum" were held in chains in prison by the emperor at Constantinople but were released after the intervention of "Baldewinus Hainaucorum comes et Heinricus de Ascha" who were sent as envoys by Godefroi de Bouillon[300]. Albert of Aix records that "Hugo, Drogo, Willelmus Carpentarius et Clareboldus" joined the army of Godefroi de Bouillon after their release from captivity in Constantinople, dated to end 1096[301]. He took part in the siege of Antioch in 1098. He was sent on a mission to Emperor Alexios I, but was surprised in a Turkish ambush near Nikaia but escaped with his life[302]. He returned to France after the capture of Antioch in 1098 to raise another army which he led as part of the second wave of the First Crusade, leaving France in Mar 1101. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1102 of "Hugo Magnus apud Tarsum"[303]. He died from wounds received fighting the Turks near Tarsus in Asia Minor[304].
     "m (after 1067) as her first husband, ADELAIS Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy, daughter and heiress of HERIBERT [VI] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adelais de Valois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelaide comitissa Veromandensium" as wife of "Hugonem Magnum"[305]. Her husband left her as regent in Vermandois when he left on crusade. She married secondly (1103) as his first wife, Renaud de Clermont. "Adela…Viromandorum comitissa, filius…meus Radulphus" renounced their claim to certain serfs in favour of the abbey of Compiègne Saint-Corneille, with the consent of "filiorum meorum Radulphi, Henrici, Symonis", by charter dated 1114[306]. "Adela Viromandensis comitissa filiique mei…Radulphus comes atque Henricus", for the soul of "mariti mei Hugonis comitis…", confirmed the donation of "tria altaria…apud Mesvillare et Faverolas et Pronastrum" to Compiègne Saint-Corneille made by "Helinandus miles", for the souls of "sua suique filii Sagalonis…et sue uxoris", by charter dated 1114, signed by "…Ermentrudis uxoris Helinandi…"[307]. In 1117, Louis VI "le Gros" King of France restored to her the county of Amiens which had been usurped by Thomas de Marle[308]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogics:
     "Hugues I Magnus was born in 1057, the son of Henri I, king of France, and Anna of Kiev. He was the younger brother of King Philippe I. After 1067 he married Adelaide, comtesse de Vermandois et de Valois, daughter and heiress of Heribert IV, comte de Vermandois et de Valois and Adèle, comtesse de Valois. Hugues and Adelaide had nine children of whom their son Raoul and three daughters would have progeny.
     "In early 1096 Hugues and Philippe began discussing the First Crusade after news of the Council of Clermont reached them in Paris. Although Philippe could not participate, as he had been excommunicated, Hugues was said to have been influenced to join the Crusade after an eclipse of the moon on 11 February 1096.
     "That summer Hugues' army left France for Italy, where they would cross the Adriatic Sea into territory of the Byzantine empire, unlike the other Crusader armies which were travelling by land. On the way, many of the soldiers led by fellow Crusader Emicho von Leiningen joined Hugues' army after Emicho was defeated by the Hungarians, whose land he had been pillaging. Hugues crossed the Adriatic from Bari in Southern Italy, but many of his ships were destroyed in a storm off the Byzantine port of Dyrrhachium.
     "Hugues and most of his army were rescued and escorted to Constantinople, where they arrived in November 1096. Prior to his arrival, Hugues sent an arrogant, insulting letter to the Eastern Roman Emperor Alexius I Comnenos, according to the emperor's biography by his daughter (the _Alexiad_), demanding that Alexius meet with him.
     "Alexius was already weary of the armies about to arrive, after the unruly mob led by Peter the Hermit had passed through earlier in the year. Alexius kept Hugues in custody in a monastery until Hugues swore an oath of vassalage to him.
     "After the Crusaders had successfully made their way across Seljuk territory and, in 1098, captured Antioch, Hugues was sent back to Constantinople to appeal for reinforcements from Alexius. Alexius was not interested, however, and Hugues, instead of returning to Antioch to help plan the siege of Jerusalem, went back to France. There he was scorned for not having fulfilled his vow as a crusader to complete a pilgrimage to Jerusalem, and Pope Paschal II threatened to excommunicate him. He joined the minor Crusade of 1101, but was wounded in battle with the Turks in Asia Minor about 5 September, and died of his wounds on 18 October in Tarsus.
     "In 1103 his widow Adelaide married Renaud, comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, and they had two children. Adelaide died on 28 September 1120 or 1124."⁸

Reference: Weis [1992:57-8] Line 53-23.¹⁷ Hugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc. was also known as d’Hugues «Le Maisné» de France, comte de Vermandois.¹⁸ GAV-25 EDV-24 GKJ-25.

; per Racines et Histoire: "Adélais (Adélaïde) de Vermandois ° 1065 + 28/09/1120/24 comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy (1080)
     ép. 1) après 1067 (1077, 1080 ?) Hugues «Le Maisné» de France, comte de Vermandois et de Valois (par sa femme), mène un contingent français à la 1ère Croisade (08/1096-1098 puis 03/1101) ° 1057 +X 18/10/1102 (de ses blessures à Tarsus, Cilicia, contre les Turcs) (fils d’Henri 1er, Roi de France, et d’Anna Yaroslavna de Kiev)
     ép. 2) 1103 Renaud de Clermont, comte de Vermandois et de Valois (par sa femme) + avant 1162 (fils d’Hugues de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, dit «de Mouchy», et de Marguerite de Roucy-Montdidier.)¹⁹ " He was Count of Vermandois between 1085 and 1101.^3,16 He was A leader of the 1st Crusade between 1099 and 1101.^4,8

     Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy) was born in 1050 at Vermandois, Normandy, France; Weis [1992:123] says b. 1050.^9,3 She married Hugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc., son of Henri I (?) King of France and Anna Agnesa Yaroslavna (?) Grand Duchess of Kiev, Regent of France, after 1067.^{10,1,2,4,6,7,11,12}
Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy) married Renaud II/III (?) Cte de Clermont-en-Beauvais,, son of Hugues II de Creil dit «de Mouchy» (?) Seigneur de Mouchy, Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis and Marguerite de Montdidier of Roucy, in 1103
;
Her 2nd husband; his 1st wife.^1,6,7,13,14
Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy) died on 23 September 1124 at Meulan, France; Weis [1992:51-52] says d. ca 1120; Genealogics says d. 28 Sep 1120/1124; Med Lands says d. 28 Sep 1120/24.^3,1,6,7
      ; Per Genealogics:
     "Adélaïde was born about 1065, the daughter of Heribert IV, comte de Vermandois et de Valois, and Adèle, comtesse de Valois. Her father disinherited her brother Otho, who was declared to be feeble-minded, and made her his heiress.
     "After 1067 she married Hugues I Magnus, comte de Vermandois et de Valois, son of Henri I, king of France, and Anna of Kiev. They had nine children of whom their son Raoul and three daughters would have progeny. Hugues died of wounds received in a battle with the Turks in Asia Minor in 1101. In 1103 Adélaïde married Renaud, comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, son of Hugues de Clermont dit de Mouchy, seigneur de Creil, and Marguerite de Montdidier. They had two children of whom Marguerite would have a daughter Beatrix with the second of her three husbands, Hugues III dit Candavène, comte de St.Pol, comte de Hesdin.
     "Adélaïde reserved Vermandois for her son Raoul from her first marriage, but she gave Amiénois as the dowry of her daughter Marguerite on her first marriage to Charles 'the Good', Graaf van Vlaanderen.
     "Adélaïde died on 28 September 1120 or 1124."⁶

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Adelaide of Vermandois (died 1120 or 1124) was suo jure Countess of Vermandois and Valois from 1085 to 1102.
Life
     "Adelaide was the daughter of Herbert IV, Count of Vermandois, and Adele of Valois.[1] Her brother was Odo I, whom she succeeded in 1085.
     "Adelaide first married Hugh I, Count of Vermandois, son of the Capetian King Henry I of France and younger brother of Philip I of France.[2]
     "In 1104, she married Renaud II, Count of Clermont.[3] By this marriage she had one daughter, Margaret, who first married Charles I, Count of Flanders and second Hugh II, Count of Saint-Pol.
     "In 1102, Adelaide was succeeded by her son, Ralph I. Adelaide died in 1120 or 1124. Since the Carolingian dynasty passed power and legitimacy through male heirs, all of whom had by now died without sons, she is considered the last member of the great Carolingian dynasty.
Issue

References
1. Jirí Louda and Michael MacLagan, Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, 2nd edition (London, U.K.: Little, Brown and Company, 1999), table 64.
2. Suger, The Deeds of Louis the Fat, transl. Richard C. Cusimano and John Moorhead, (Catholic University of America Press, 1992), 191-192 note19.
3. Galbert (de Bruges), The Murder, Betrayal, and Slaughter of the Glorious Charles, Count of Flanders, transl. John Jeffrey Rider, (Yale University Press, 2013), 42 note131."¹⁶

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELAIS de Vermandois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte" and specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[289]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[290]. She succeeded her father in [1080] as Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy.
     "m firstly ([1080]) HUGUES de France, son of HENRI King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus in Cilicia 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus church of St Paul). Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug 1096 returning to France after the victory of Antioch 1098 to raise another army. He set out again Mar 1101 but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia.
     "m secondly (1103) as his first wife, RENAUD [III] de Clermont, son of HUGUES [II] de Creil dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Roucy [Montdidier] (-[1152/53]). He took the title Comte after his marriage[291]."
Med Lands cites: GAV-25 EDV-24 GKJ-25.

Reference: Weis [1992:51-2] Line 50-23.¹

; per Racines et Histoire: "Adélais (Adélaïde) de Vermandois ° 1065 + 28/09/1120/24 comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy (1080)
     ép. 1) après 1067 (1077, 1080 ?) Hugues «Le Maisné» de France, comte de Vermandois et de Valois (par sa femme), mène un contingent français à la 1ère Croisade (08/1096-1098 puis 03/1101) ° 1057 +X 18/10/1102 (de ses blessures à Tarsus, Cilicia, contre les Turcs) (fils d’Henri 1er, Roi de France, et d’Anna Yaroslavna de Kiev)
     ép. 2) 1103 Renaud de Clermont, comte de Vermandois et de Valois (par sa femme) + avant 1162 (fils d’Hugues de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, dit «de Mouchy», et de Marguerite de Roucy-Montdidier.)¹⁷ "

; Per Racines et Histoire (Clermont-en-Beauvais): “Renaud II de Clermont ° ~1075/78 + avant 1162 (~1152/56/61 ?) 1er comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis(1101/03, par Philippe 1er, aux droits de sa femme), seigneur de la moitié de Luzarches, croisé (1099, avec Adhémar, Evêque du Puy)
     ép. 1) ~1102/03 Adélaïde (Alix) comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy ° ~1062/65 + 28/09/1124 (Meulan) (fille d’Herbert IV de Vermandois et d’Adèle de Valois (ou Ermentrude ?) ; veuve d’Hugues de France + 18/10/1101/02 (croisé, Tarse, Turquie)
     ép. 2) ~ 1138 (1135, 1140, 1129 ?) Clémence de Bar ° ~ 1115/20/27 + après 20/01/1182/83 comtesse de Dammartin (fille de Renaud 1er, comte de Bar-Le-Duc et de Mousson, et de Gisèle (ou Gillette) de Vaudémont ; veuve de ? de Dammartin + avant 1138 ; ép. 3?) Thibaud III de Crépy, seigneur de Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin (60)) ”.¹⁸

; Per Med Lands:
     "RENAUD [III] de Clermont, son of HUGUES [II] de Creil & his wife Marguerite de Ramerupt (-[1152/53]). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guido dictus Qui-non-dormit et Hugo Pauper et comes Rainaldus et sorores eorum" as children of "Hugo comes de Claro-monte" and his wife Marguerite[61]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitem Rainaldum" as son of "comiti Hugonis de Claromonte Baluacensi" and his wife Marguerite[62]. Albert of Aix names "…Reinoldus de civitate Belvatiæ…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[63]. Albert of Aix records that "…Reinaldus de Belvacio…" fought against the Turks at Dorylæum (1 Jul 1097)[64]. "Hugo Clarimontis dns" confirmed his donations to the church of Saint-Germer-de-Flay, with the consent of "filiis meis Rainaldo et Guidone", by charter dated to before Nov 1099[65]. He assumed the title Comte de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] after his first marriage[66]. [“Radulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][67]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[68]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[69]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[70]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[71]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[72]. The charter dated 1153 which records the donation made by his wife and children suggests that Renaud was already dead at that time.
     "m firstly (1103) ADELAIS Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy, widow of HUGUES de France Comte de Vermandois, daughter and heiress of HERIBERT [VI] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adelais de Valois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte", specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[73]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[74].
     "m secondly ([1135]) [as her second husband,] CLEMENCE de Bar, [widow of --- Comte de Dammartin,] daughter of RENAUD I Comte de Bar & his wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([1123/27]-after 20 Jan 1182). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis records that "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" married "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[75]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites de Claromonte Belvacensi" as descended from "una…sorore eiusdem comitis [=comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[76]. Her birth date range is estimated based on the date of her parents' marriage. Renaud’s second wife would presumably have held the title “Ctss de Dammartin” through an earlier marriage to a comte de Dammartin. If she had been the daughter of a comte de Dammartin, she would not have borne the comital title. [“Radulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][77]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[78]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] Louis VII King of France confirmed what “episcopus Parisiensis et Guillelmus Lupus frater eius et comes Damni-Martini Renaudus cum uxore sua” donated to Chaalis “per concessum Adelizæ de Bulis et filiorum eius Lancelini...et fratrum suorum” and the donation of land “apud Hermenovillam et...moriens juxta Villam-novam” made by “Joscelinus de Damno-Martino”, by charter dated 1138[79]. The property the subject of the first-named donation is not specified in the charter. However, a possibly linked charter dated to [1137] records that “Willelmus Lupus Silvanectensis” donated “locum...in quo situm est cœnobium...[et] usum totius Espioniæ et Beeley”, with the support of “uxore mea Adelvia, filioque meo majore...Guidone” and sealed by “fratris mei Stephani Parisiensis episc.”[80]. The charter dated 1138 also provides a possible indication of Clémence’s family origin: the joint donation suggests a joint interest in the property donated, and so a connection with the family of the bouteillers de Senlis (to which Guillaume “le Loup” and his brother Etienne Bishop of Paris belonged). A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[81]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[82]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[83]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[84]. Louis VII King of France confirmed an agreement between Eudes Prior of Saint-Denis and "Donni Martini comitissam Clementiam" who relinquished rights “in Trenbleio” by charter dated 1153[85]. Mathieu quotes a charter of Manassès Bishop of Meaux, dated to [1157], which records property first donated to Chaalis by “Domnimartini comitissa Clementia, laudante viro suo Renaldo de Clarimonte” as well as her donation of rights of way and use of wood “in omnia terra” belonging to “consulatum Domnimartini”[86]. “Clementia comitissa de Domno Martino cum liberis meis” renounced rights over “villa Trembliaco” after disputes between the abbey of Saint-Denis and “antecessores nostros comites de Dompno Martino”, litigated before “regis Ludovici”, by undated charter (dated to [1153/62]), witnessed by “Ansoldus de Claromonte et Petrus nepos eius, Galterus de Alneto...”[87]. [She married [thirdly] Thibaut [III] de Crépy Seigneur de Nanteuil-le-Hardouin. Duchesne states that Thibaut [III] de Nanteuil married “Clemence veuve de Renaut Comte de Clairmont en Beauvoisin” by whom he had three children, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[88]. The primary source which confirms this third marriage has not been identified, and from a chronological point of view it appears unlikely to be correct particularly as she is supposed to have had children by her third husband.] "
Med Lands cites: She was Countess of Vermandois between 1080 and 1124.¹⁶ She was Countess of Valois with Hugh I between 1085 and 1102.¹⁶

     Agnes de Beaugency was born circa 1108.^1,2 She married Sir Enguerrand II de Coucy sn de Coucy, Marle and le Fere, son of Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens and Melesinde de Crecy, in 1132.^4,5,1,2

Agnes de Beaugency died before 1192; WFT Est.²
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 175.¹ EDV-26.

.⁶

     Sir Enguerrand II de Coucy sn de Coucy, Marle and le Fere was born circa 1110.² He married Agnes de Beaugency, daughter of Raoul I de Beaugency Seigneur de Beaugency and Mahaut/Mathilda de Vermandois dame de Crépy, in 1132.^1,2,5,3

Sir Enguerrand II de Coucy sn de Coucy, Marle and le Fere died in 1148 at Palestine; Genealogy.EU (Coucy 1 page) says d. 1147.^2,1,3
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 82
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 175.² He was He joined the second Crusade and died in the East, probably in or near Damascus, and was buried at Nazareth.²

; Sire de Coucy, Marle, and le Fere; Crusader; d 1148 on the 2nd Crusade, somewhere in the East, very likely in or near Damascus; bur at Nazareth (modern Israel).⁶

     Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens was born circa 1073 at Coucy, Ardennes, France.^1,2 He married Ida de Hainaut, daughter of Baudouin II (?) Graaf van Henegouwen, Valenciennes, Ostrevant et Douai and Ida (?) de Louvain, in 1100
; Genealogy.EU (Coucy 1 page) says m. bef 1095; (Flanders 1 page) says m. ca 1100.^1,2,5 Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens married Ermengarde de Montaigu, daughter of Guillaume de Montaigu, circa 1101
; his 2nd wife, her 1st husband.^6,1 Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens married Melesinde de Crecy, daughter of Guy de Crecy Comte de Rochefort-en-Yvelines,
; his 3rd wife.^1,2,7
Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens died between 1129 and 1130.^2,1
     GAV-24 EDV-24.

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977., Gerald Paget, Reference: 174
3. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: II 9
4. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 175.²


; Thomas, Sire de Coucy and Marle; Count of Amiens; Crusader; went on the 1st Crusade.⁸

     Melesinde de Crecy was born circa 1080 at Crecy, France.¹ She married Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens, son of Enguerrand I de Coucy sn de Boves et de Coucy, Cte d'Amiens and Ada de Marle Vicomtesse de Coucy,
; his 3rd wife.^2,5,3
Melesinde de Crecy died after 1147.^3,2
     GAV-25 EDV-24.

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977., Gerald Paget, Reference: 174
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 175
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80.³

.⁶

     Enguerrand I de Coucy sn de Boves et de Coucy, Cte d'Amiens was born in 1030.³ He married Ada de Marle Vicomtesse de Coucy, daughter of Lietaud de Roucy Seigneur of Marle and Mathilde/Mahaut (?),
; his 1st wife; her 2nd husband.^3,1,4 Enguerrand I de Coucy sn de Boves et de Coucy, Cte d'Amiens married Sibylle de Porcean, daughter of Roger (?) Comte de Château Porcean and Ermengarde (?),
; his 2nd wife.^1,3,5
Enguerrand I de Coucy sn de Boves et de Coucy, Cte d'Amiens died in 1116.³
     GAV-26 EDV-25.
Enguerrand I de Coucy sn de Boves et de Coucy, Cte d'Amiens was also known as Engleram I de Coucy sn de Boves et de Coucy, Cte d'Amiens.^3,1

; Seigneur de Boves and de Coucy; Count of Amiens.⁶

     Ada de Marle Vicomtesse de Coucy was born circa 1054 at Roucy, Aisne, France.⁴ She married Aubri de Beaumont Vicomte de Coucy, son of Yves IV de Beaumont comte de Beaumont, seigneur de Conflans and Emma (?), before 1059.^5,6
Ada de Marle Vicomtesse de Coucy and Aubri de Beaumont Vicomte de Coucy were divorced in 1059.⁶ Ada de Marle Vicomtesse de Coucy married Enguerrand I de Coucy sn de Boves et de Coucy, Cte d'Amiens, son of Dreux (Drago) de Coucy Seigneur de Boves and Adele (?) of Coucy,
; his 1st wife; her 2nd husband.^1,7,6
      ; Heiress of Marle.⁸ GAV-26 EDV-25. Ada de Marle Vicomtesse de Coucy was also known as Adele (Ada) de Roucy. Ada de Marle Vicomtesse de Coucy was also known as Adela Vcts de Coucy.⁵

     Sibylle de Porcean was born circa 1065.⁷ She married Enguerrand I de Coucy sn de Boves et de Coucy, Cte d'Amiens, son of Dreux (Drago) de Coucy Seigneur de Boves and Adele (?) of Coucy,
; his 2nd wife.^8,1,7 Sibylle de Porcean married Godfrey/Godefroid (?) Comte de Namur et de Comte de Château-Porcien, son of Albert III (?) Comte de Namur and Ida Billung von Sachsen, heiress of La Roche, circa 1087
; his 1st wife.^9,4,6,10 Sibylle de Porcean and Godfrey/Godefroid (?) Comte de Namur et de Comte de Château-Porcien were divorced circa 1104.^4,6,10
     Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Genealogics:
     "Sibil was the youngest daughter of Roger, comte de Château Porcien, and his second wife Ermengarde. Dispossessing the sons and daughters whom he had had from a woman far nobler, about 1087 Roger had married his last daughter, whose mother was a woman of lower rank, to Godefroid, comte de Namur, son of Albert III, comte de Namur, and Ida von Sachsen. Her dowry was her father's county, her mother having insisted that her stepchildren be excluded from the inheritance. Sibil and Godefroid had two daughters who both had progeny.
     "When Sibil came to her husband she was already pregnant. Several years later, while her husband was off to war on behalf of emperor Heinrich IV, he had ordered her to remain at the castle of Tournes, in Porcien. However she took Enguerrand de Coucy as her lover who then abducted and married her. Godefroid enraged at his loss, went to war against her abductor. He viciously executed, blinded, or maimed those accused of helping with the abduction. Enguerrand, bishop of Laon, a relative of Enguerrand de Coucy, gave his absolution to the marriage.
     "As the marriage was publicly condemned, to expiate his foul deed, Enguerrand left on the First Crusade, where he performed heroically. When Enguerrand was getting too old to continue the struggle with his rebellious son Thomas, Sibil brought her young lover Gui de Thourotte to him and he married their daughter to the man accepting him as a 'defender'. The daughter is not named and nor is Gui, the identity is deduced since he as castellan of Coucy at the right time. However Sibil left Enguerrand and married Guithier, comte de Rethel."⁷ GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-26.

     Clarembaud (?) Seigneur de Rozoy married Elizabeth (?) de Namur, daughter of Godfrey/Godefroid (?) Comte de Namur et de Comte de Château-Porcien and Sibylle de Porcean, on 1 February 1131
;
Her 2nd husband. Genealogics says m. bef 01 Feb 1131; Med Lands says m. bef 1129.^4,5,2,6,7
Clarembaud (?) Seigneur de Rozoy died before 1158.^5,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ELISABETH de Namur (-after 1148). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Elizabeth filiam comitis Godefridi Namucensis" as wife of "frater…Balduini de Burgo Gervasius" (recording that he resigned as archbishop of Reims and married), specifying that her mother was "Sibilla filia comitis Rogeri Porcensis", and recording her second marriage with "Clarembaldus de Roseto" and their children "Raynaldum…Rogerum..episcopus Laudunensis…et sorores eius…Aeliz de Cimeco, altera Alfelisia que ex nobili viro Philippo de Altaripa genuit Mathildem quam habuit Windus Doiscenus [Doische, Namur, Philippeville?] et de Erpens [Erpent, Namur?]"[108]. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the two sisters of "Alidem…Godefridi comitis Namurcensis et Ermesendis comitisse filiam" as "una [uxor] dominus de Roseto, alia [uxor] domino de Spinoit", in a later passage clarifying that the two sisters were daughters of "Henrici comitis" by his first wife[109]. "Gofridus...de Ribodi-monte et Ansellus filius eius, Henricus comes [...Novi-castri], Clarembaudus et Elisabeth uxor eius" founded the monastery of Signy "in territorio Signiacensi et apud sanctum Petrum super Veel, Libercei, Membiis, Drezia et Harlivilla", and confirmed the donations of land “in...Roseto” by “Clarembaldus” by charter dated 1135[110]. Barthélemy records that, after the death of Roger Comte de Porcien, Henri [I] Comte de Grandpré inherited part of his assets “qui forma le fief de Château-Porcien” and as such confirmed donations made by his predecessors to Cuissy by charter dated 1134 and together with “la petite-fille de Roger qui avait épousé Clérembaud de Rosoy” donated Notre-Dame de Château-Porcien to Reims Saint-Nicaise by charter dated 1148[111].
     "m firstly GERVAIS Comte de Rethel, son of HUGUES Comte de Rethel & his wife Mélisende de Montlhéry (-1124).
     "m secondly (before 1131) CLAREMBAUD de Rozoy, son of --- (-before 1158)."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 2): “F1. [1m.] Elizabeth de Namur; 1m: Cte Gervais de Rethel (+1124); 2m: Clarembaud de Rosoy”.⁸
; Per Racines et Histoire (Namur): “1) Elisabeth de Namur ° 1092
     ép. 1) ~1087 Gervais de Rethel ° 1075/80 + 1124 comte de Rethel (fils d’Hugues 1er, comte de Rethel, et de Mélisende de Montlhéry)
     ép. 2) avant 1131 Clarembaud de Rosoy + avant 1158”.⁹

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "CLAREMBAUD de Rozoy (-before 1158). Seigneur de Rozoy. “Clérembaud et sa femme seigneurs de Rozoy” consented to donations “situés à Pommereux et à Moranzy, commune d’Agnicourt” to Laon Saint-Martin by charter dated 1129[737]. The Breve Chronicon Buciliensis records that “Clarembaldus de Roseto” donated property to Bucilly in 1135[738]. "Gofridus...de Ribodi-monte et Ansellus filius eius, Henricus comes [...Novi-castri], Clarembaudus et Elisabeth uxor eius" founded the monastery of Signy "in territorio Signiacensi et apud sanctum Petrum super Veel, Libercei, Membiis, Drezia et Harlivilla", and confirmed the donations of land “in...Roseto” by “Clarembaldus” by charter dated 1135[739]. The bishop of Laon confirmed donations made to Tournai Saint-Martin by “Clarembaldus de Roseto” in compensation for damage caused, for the souls of himself “et filii sui Roberti”, by charter dated 1142[740].
     "m (before 1129) as her second husband, ELISABETH de Namur, widow of GERVAIS Comte de Rethel, daughter of GODEFROY I Comte de Namur & his first wife Sibylle de Château-Porcien (-after 1148). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Elizabeth filiam comitis Godefridi Namucensis" as wife of "frater…Balduini de Burgo Gervasius" (recording that he resigned as archbishop of Reims and married), specifying that her mother was "Sibilla filia comitis Rogeri Porcensis", and recording her second marriage with "Clarembaldus de Roseto" and their children "Raynaldum…Rogerum..episcopus Laudunensis…et sorores eius…Aeliz de Cimeco, altera Alfelisia que ex nobili viro Philippo de Altaripa genuit Mathildem quam habuit Windus Doiscenus [Doische, Namur, Philippeville?] et de Erpens [Erpent, Namur?]"[741]. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the two sisters of "Alidem…Godefridi comitis Namurcensis et Ermesendis comitisse filiam" as "una [uxor] dominus de Roseto, alia [uxor] domino de Spinoit", in a later passage clarifying that the two sisters were daughters of "Henrici comitis" by his first wife[742]. “Clérembaud et sa femme seigneurs de Rozoy” consented to donations “situés à Pommereux et à Moranzy, commune d’Agnicourt” to Laon Saint-Martin by charter dated 1129[743]. "Gofridus...de Ribodi-monte et Ansellus filius eius, Henricus comes [...Novi-castri], Clarembaudus et Elisabeth uxor eius" founded the monastery of Signy "in territorio Signiacensi et apud sanctum Petrum super Veel, Libercei, Membiis, Drezia et Harlivilla", and confirmed the donations of land “in...Roseto” by “Clarembaldus” by charter dated 1135[744]. Barthélemy records that, after the death of Roger Comte de Porcien, Henri [I] Comte de Grandpré inherited part of his assets “qui forma le fief de Château-Porcien” and as such confirmed donations made by his predecessors to Cuissy by charter dated 1134 and together with “la petite-fille de Roger qui avait épousé Clérembaud de Rosoy” donated Notre-Dame de Château-Porcien to Reims Saint-Nicaise by charter dated 1148[745]."
Med Lands cites:

     Dreux (Drago) de Coucy Seigneur de Boves married Adele (?) of Coucy, daughter of Alberic (?) Seigneur de Coucy and Adela d'Amiens.²

Dreux (Drago) de Coucy Seigneur de Boves died circa 1069.^1,2
     GAV-27 EDV-26.

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 175.¹

; Seigneur de Boves and de Coucy.⁵

     Hugues III (?) Comte de Maine was born between 960 and 975.^3,6
Hugues III (?) Comte de Maine died between 3 September 1014 and 25 October 1015.^1,2,3
Hugues III (?) Comte de Maine was buried in 1015 at Cathedrale St-Julien du Mans, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
     DEATH     1015, France
     Count of Maine. Hugh III (c. 960 – c. 1015) became Count of Maine on his father Hugh II's death, c. 991.
While the name of his wife is not known it is very probable she was a sister of Judith of Rennes (Grandmother of William the Conqueror) wife of Richard II, Duke of Normandy.
     Family Members
     Parents
      Hugues II du Maine unknown–991
     Children
      Herbert I du Maine unknown–1035
     BURIAL     Cathedrale St-Julien du Mans, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 30 May 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 147176457.⁷
      ; Per Racines et Histoire (Maine): “Hugues III ° ~960 + 1014/15 comte du Maine (dès 992-1015) sans doute déjà dans la dépendance du comte Foulque Nerra d’Anjou (souscrit la donation de son père à l’Abbaye Saint-Pierre-de-La-Cour du Mans entre 971 et 997 ; donation à Saint-Victeur du Mans ~1000/15)
     ép. Berthe”.⁶

; Per Genealogics:
     “Hugues was born about 960, the son of Hugues II, comte de Maine. He was count of Maine from the death of his father before 991 to his own death. By a wife whose name is not recorded, Hugues had two sons of whom Herbert I would have progeny.
     “Allied to Eudes II, comte de Blois, Chartres, Troyes et Champagne, Hugues fought against the French kings Hugues Capet and Robert II, and against Foulques III 'Nerra', comte d'Anjou. However, in 996 he was forced to accept the suzerainty of the county of Anjou.
     “Hugues died about 1014, and was succeeded by his son Herbert I.”.⁵

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [III] du Maine ([960/75]-[1014/6 Jul 1016]). "Sigefredus Cinnomannicæ….episcopus" donated property to Tours-Saint-Julien, with the consent of "senioris nostri Hugonis…ac filiorum eiusdem…Hugonis et Fulchonis", by charter dated Feb 971[112]. Hugues [III]'s birth date range is estimated by working back from the birth date range estimated for his grandson Comte Hugues [IV], which is reasonably robust as shown below. "Hugo comes Cenomannus cum filiis meis ac filiabus" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pierre-de-la-Cour du Mans by charter dated to [971/997], subscribed by "Hugonis filii eius"[113]. He succeeded as Comte du Maine. “Hugo comes Cenomannus” [one manuscript reading “Hugo David”, a curious echo of the shady figure of David discussed above] donated “terras...Bernationum” to Saint-Pierre de la Couture “cum...filiis meis ac filiabus” by charter dated to 990, subscribed by “Hugonis comitis, Hugonis filii eius...”[114]. "Hugo Cinomannensis comes" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Victeur du Mans with the consent of "Hugonis filii Herbrannis" (not yet identified), by charter dated to [1000/15] which is subscribed by "Herbertus frater comitis"[115]. Guillaume of Jumièges recounts that "comitibus Hugone...Cenomanensi ac Waleranno Mellendesi" were among those who joined the army of Eudes Comte de Blois in attempting to capture the château de Tillières from Richard II Duke of Normandy, and that Hugues escaped after hiding in a sheep's stable and disguising himself as a shepherd before regaining Le Mans, an event dated to the early 1000s[116]. "Hugo Cenomannensis comes" donated property to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel by charter dated 1014, witnessed by "Roscelini vicecomitis, Hameli de Leido Castello, Haymonis de Medano, Herberti fratris comitis, Droci filii Milonis, Odilarii Drudi"[117]. He is assumed to have died before 6 Jul 1016, the date of a charter in which "Herbertus Evigilans canem cognomine" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pierre-de-la-Cour du Mans[118].
     "m ---. The name of Hugues's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

; This is the same person as ”Hugues III of Maine” at The Henry Project.²

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 692.⁵ GAV-28.

     Raoul I de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy, Marle and le Fère was born in 1134; Genealogics says b. 1134; Genealogy.EU (Coucy 1 page) says b. ca 1135; Med Lands says b. aft 1142.^1,2,4 He married Agnes "la Boiteuse" (?) de Hainaut, daughter of Baudouin IV "de Bouwer" (?) Comte de Hainaut/Graaf van Henegouwen and Alice de Namur Heiress of Namur, comtesse de Hainaut, before 1164
;
His 1st wife; Leo van de Pas says m. 1168.^1,6,7,2,4 Raoul I de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy, Marle and le Fère married Adelaide/Alice/Alix de Dreux, daughter of Robert I "le Grand" de Dreux Cmte de Dreux, du Perche et de Braine-sur-Vesle and Agnès de Baudément dame de Baudement, de Braine-sur-Vesle, de Fere-en-Tardenois, de Nesle-en-Tardenois, de Quincy, de Longueville et de Pontarcy, in 1174
;
His 2nd wife; Genealogy.EU (Capet 5 page) say m. after 1173.^8,1,2,4,9,10
Raoul I de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy, Marle and le Fère died in November 1191 at Acre, HaTzafon (Northern District), Palestine (Israel now); in the 3rd Crusade.^8,1,2,4
Raoul I de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy, Marle and le Fère was buried after November 1191 at Abbaye de Foigny, La Bouteille, Departement de l'Aisne, Picardie, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     1 Nov 1191, Acre, Northern District, Israel
     Family Members
     Children
          Enguerrand de Coucy unknown–1243
          Thomas de Coucy unknown–1253
          Yolande de Coucy de Dreux 1170–1222
     BURIAL     Abbaye de Foigny, La Bouteille, Departement de l'Aisne, Picardie, France
     Created by: Todd Whitesides
     Added: 22 Feb 2015
     Find a Grave Memorial 142929800.^1,3,11
      ; Per Genealogics:
     "Raoul was born in 1134, the son of Enguerrand II de Coucy, sire de Coucy et Marle, and Agnes de Beaugency. Before 1168 he married Agnes de Hainault, daughter of Baudouin IV, count of Hainault and Adele/Ermensinde de Namur. Raoul and Agnes had three daughters, all of whom would have progeny. In 1174, after the death of Agnes, Raoul married Alix de Dreux, daughter of Robert I, comte de Dreux, du Perche, de Braine-sur-Vesle (son of King Louis VI and brother of Louis VII), and Robert's third wife Agnès de Baudement, dame de Braine, de Fère-en-Tardenois, de Nesle. Raould and Alix had five children, four sons and a daughter, three of whom would have progeny.
     "Raoul's wife Alix was the sister of Robert II, comte de Dreux, who in 1184 married Yolande de Coucy, daughter of Raoul and his first wife Agnes de Hainault.
     "In 1181 Raoul assisted King Philippe Auguste in his war against Philippe of Alsace, count of Flanders. Raoul paid homage to the king for the seigniory of Fère, which Raoul had held hitherto from the church of Laon. Roger de Rosoy, bishop of Laon, had yielded it to Philippe Auguste in 1185.
     "In 1190, shortly before his departure to the Holy Land with Philippe Auguste in the Third Crusade, Raoul confirmed and increased the donations that his father Enguerrand II had committed to the abbey of Clairfontaines. He also made a division of his estates and seigniories between the children born to him and Alix de Dreux. He left the bulk of his estates and seigniories to Enguerrand III. To Thomas he left Vervins, Fontaine and Landouzy. To Raoul II he left a rental income for life. To Robert he left all the properties brought to the marriage by Alix, as well as the estate of Pinon. He also stipulated that if Enguerrand should die without issue, all his estates should pass to Thomas; but if any of Enguerrand's brothers should die without issue before him, their parts should revert to Enguerrand. To Agnes he left an income for a set number of years based on the revenues from Marle and Crécy; in the event of Agnes's death before marrying, her outstanding income should be split, half to Alix, the other half to the Hospitallers, the Templars and the church of Prémontré in equal parts.
     "Raoul was killed in November 1191 at the siege of Acre. His body was returned to France and buried in the abbey of Foigny in Thiérache. In 1195 his widow Alix sent a force from Marle to the aid of Robert, seigneur de Pierrepont, in his war with Nicolas, seigneur de Rumigny in the diocese of Laon. In 1207 she approved all alms that Raoul had granted to the church of Prémontré. She was still alive in 1212, as witness to an agreement between her sons Robert and Thomas."² EDV-25 GKJ-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80.²

; Per Med Lands:
     "RAOUL [I] de Coucy (after 1142-killed siege of Acre Nov 1191, bur Abbaye de Foigny). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "domini Radulphi de Cociaco…" as son of "Agnes uxor domini Ingelranni de Cociaco"[76]. Seigneur de Coucy et de Marle. "Radulphus de Marla" confirmed the donation to Thenailles abbey made by "patris mei Ingelranni" by charter dated 1166, witnessed by "Agnes uxor mea, Ada filia mea…"[77]. Moret de la Fayole records that Raoul Seigneur de Coucy donated property to Laon Saint-Martin, with the consent of “sa femme Agnes et de ses filles Yoland et Milesonde”, by charter dated 1170[78]. "Radulphus…Cociaci et Marlæ dominus…Engelranni filius" donated property to Saint-Denis, for the souls of "meæ, Agnetis uxoris meæ" and especially for the soul of "fratris mei Engelranni" who was buried in the abbey, by charter dated 1174[79]. He was one of the advisers of Philippe II King of France. The testament of "Radulphus dominus Couciaci" on the point of leaving on a journey, dated 1190, appointed "Ingelranno filio meo…prior natu" as his main heir, bequeathed "Veruinum, Fontanas et Landousies" to "filius meus Thomas", money to "Radulfo qui clericali promotus est officio…Agneti…filiæ meæ…Aelidis uxor mea", and the dowry of his mother "et villam meam ad sui ædificationem Pinon" to "Roberto"[80].
     "m firstly (before 1164) AGNES de Hainaut, daughter of BAUDOUIN IV Comte de Hainaut & his wife Alice de Namur ([1140/45]-1174 or after). The Chronicon Hanoniense names (in order) "Yolandem, Agnetem, Lauretam" as the daughters of "Alidis comitissa Hanonensis …cum viro Balduino comite", specifying that the second daughter Agnes married "Radulphus de Cocy qui et Cociacum et Marlam et Vervinum et Feram castra possidebat"[81]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names (in order) "comitem Balduinum, Henricum de Seburgo et quatuor sorores" as children of "comiti Balduini de Haynaco", naming one daughter (first among those listed) "Agnes [uxor] Rodulfo de Marla"[82]. "Radulphus de Marla" confirmed the donation to Thenailles abbey made by "patris mei Ingelranni" by charter dated 1166, witnessed by "Agnes uxor mea, Ada filia mea…"[83]. Moret de la Fayole records that Raoul Seigneur de Coucy donated property to Laon Saint-Martin, with the consent of “sa femme Agnes et de ses filles Yoland et Milesonde”, by charter dated 1170[84]. "Radulphus…Cociaci et Marlæ dominus…Engelranni filius" donated property to Saint-Denis, for the souls of "meæ, Agnetis uxoris meæ" and especially for the soul of "fratris mei Engelranni" who was buried in the abbey, by charter dated 1174[85]. "Radulfus dominus Cociaci…assensu Aelidis uxoris meæ" donated property to "Roberto de Attrio" by charter dated 1187, witnessed by "Radulfus clericus nepos meus, Margareta de Firmitate neptis mea…"[86]. "Radulfus dominus Cochiaci" donated property to Mont Saint-Martin, with the consent of "uxore mea Adelide et liberis meis Ingelranno, Thoma, Radulph, Roberto", by charter dated 1187[87].
     "m secondly (after 1174) ALIX de Dreux, daughter of ROBERT [I] de Dreux [Capet] & his second wife Agnes de Baudemont Dame de Braine (1156-after Feb 1217). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "matrem Engelranni de Coci Petronillam" as one of the two daughters of "comes Robertus" and his second wife[88]. "Radulfus dominus Cociaci…assensu Aelidis uxoris meæ" donated property to "Roberto de Attrio" by charter dated 1187, witnessed by "Radulfus clericus nepos meus, Margareta de Firmitate neptis mea…"[89]. "Radulfus dominus Cochiaci" donated property to Mont Saint-Martin, with the consent of "uxore mea Adelide et liberis meis Ingelranno, Thoma, Radulph, Roberto", by charter dated 1187[90]. The testament of "Radulphus dominus Couciaci" on the point of leaving on a journey, dated 1190, bequeathed money to "…Agneti…filiæ meæ…Aelidis uxor mea"[91]. She governed Coucy after the death of her husband."
Med Lands cites:

; Per WFT 11-0167: "Sire de Coucy and Marle; adherent of Philip Augustus; Crusader; b. ca 1135; fell Nov 1191 at Acre, on the 3rd Crusade; bur at Foisny."¹²

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
     "Raoul de Coucy (apr. 1142 - 1191)1, sire de Coucy, seigneur de Marle, de La Fère, de Crécy (sur-Serre), de Vervins, de Pinon, de Landouzy (la-Ville), de Fontaine (lès-Vervins). Il partit pour la Terre sainte où il périt au siège de Saint-Jean-d'Acre (appelée Ptolèmaïs pendant l'Antiquité), en novembre 1191.
Famille
     "Son arrière-grand-père Enguerrand de Boves comte d'Amiens, seigneur de Boves, de la Fère et de Marle, devint possesseur vers 1085 du château de Coucy dont il devint vicomte ou châtelain, et en donna le nom à ses descendants.
     "La maison de Boves tirait son origine de Dreux ou Drogon, seigneur de Boves. Ce dernier, vraisemblablement père d'Enguerrand de Boves, s'illustra sous les règnes des rois Robert II et de Henri Ier.
     "Raoul est le petit-fils de Thomas de Marle († 1130), fils d'Enguerrand de Boves et d'Ade de Marle, seigneur de Boves, de Marle, de la Fère et comte d'Amiens. Il mourut à Laon en 1130.
     "Son père, Enguerrand II de Coucy († avant 1147), fils de Thomas de Marle, épousa en 1132 Agnès de Beaugency, cousine du roi Louis VII de France, et fille de Mahaut ou Mathilde de Vermandois, elle-même fille d'Hugues Ier de Vermandois, frère du roi Philippe Ier de France. S'étant croisé, ainsi qu'Évrard de Breteuil, son beau-frère, il accompagna le roi Louis le Jeune à la deuxième croisade.
     "Raoul Ier de Coucy s'est marié :
Biographie
     "Raoul de Coucy, devenu veuf et souhaitant avoir un fils, épousa en secondes noces Alix II de Dreux, princesse de sang royal, qui était sa parente au quatrième degré par le côté maternel. Par ce mariage, Raoul devint beau-père d'un grand prince, gendre d'un fils de France, et cousin germain par sa femme du roi Philippe Auguste. Raoul assista le roi de France en 1181 pendant la guerre contre Philippe d'Alsace, comte de Flandre, bien qu'étant son vassal pour les terres de Marle, Vervins et de la Ferté-Beliard.
     "Son mariage avec Alix II de Dreux lui donna plusieurs enfants.
     "Avant de partir à la troisième croisade aux côtés de Philippe Auguste, il fit un partage de ses terres et seigneuries entre les enfants nés de son union avec Alix II de Dreux, sa seconde épouse. Voici son testament3 dont l'original est en latin :
     "Raoul de Coucy fut tué au siège d'acre en 1191. Son corps est inhumé dans l'abbaye de Foigny en Thiérache.
Légende
     "On dit qu'avant de rendre le dernier soupir, Raoul chargea son écuyer de porter, après sa mort, son cœur à la dame qu'il aimait (que les uns nomment la Dame de Fayel, les autres Gabrielle de Vergy. L'écuyer fut surpris par l'époux au moment où il s'acquittait de sa mission. Celui-ci prit le cœur et le fit manger à sa femme, qui, instruite trop tard de son malheur, jura de ne plus prendre de nourriture et se laissa mourir de faim. Cette aventure a fourni à Pierre Laurent de Belloy le sujet de sa tragédie Gabrielle de Vergy.
     "Georges-Adrien Crapelet a publié l'Histoire de Coucy et de la dame de Fayel, d'après un manuscrit de la Bibliothèque nationale de France, Paris, 1829.
     "Il existe vingt-quatre chansons de trouvère, œuvres du Chastelain de Couci, datant du xiie siècle. Il existe aussi un manuscrit du xiiie siècle, Romans du châtelain de Couci et de la dame de Fayel, qui contient six de ces chansons, et une chronique du xive siècle, rapportant tous les deux les tragiques amours de Renaud (Regnaut) de Coucy. Ces documents ont été édités en 1830 par Francisque Michel4. La légende veut qu'il s'agisse du même personnage, Raoul de Coucy. Mais le Raoul de Coucy de cette légende n'est probablement ni Raoul er (mort en 1191), ni Raoul II de Coucy (mort en 1250), il serait peut-être Raoul, fils d'Enguerrand de Coucy, le frère de Raoul Ier de Coucy et donc un neveu de Raoul Ier.
Notes et références
1. Charles Cawley, « Raoul de Coucy » [archive], sur medlands [archive] (Foundation for Medieval Genealogy) (consulté le 11 novembre 2017).
2. Robert de Wavrin, a son épitaphe en l'Eglise de l'abbaye de Vaucelles , qui dit : « Cy gist Robert de Wavrin, Sénéchaux de Flandres, le meilleur Chevalier quy fut en son temps, & cy gist Agnes de Coucy, Chastelaine de Bapaume, & Dame de Beaumez ». "Mémoires généalogiques pour servir à l'histoire des familles des Pays-Bas" (Mémoires de Saint-Genois) 1781, p. 521.
3. Gabriel Peignot, Choix de testamens anciens et modernes: remarquables par leur importance, leur singularité ou leur bizarrerie; avec des détails historiques et des notes [archive], Renouard, 1829,p. 438
4. Chansons du châtelain de Coucy, Impr. de Crapelet (lire en ligne [archive])
Bibliographie
** Jean-Benjamin de La Borde, Mémoires historiques sur Raoul de Coucy. On y a joint le recueil de ses chansons en vieux ... [archive] 1781
** Bulletin de la Société archéologique de Vervins, Tome II, 1874, page 8
** Cet article comprend des extraits du Dictionnaire Bouillet. Il est possible de supprimer cette indication, si le texte reflète le savoir actuel sur ce thème, si les sources sont citées, s'il satisfait aux exigences linguistiques actuelles et s'il ne contient pas de propos qui vont à l'encontre des règles de neutralité de Wikipédia. Les informations données sont peut-être désormais erronées ou incorrectes : vous pouvez partager vos connaissances en améliorant ou en modifiant cet article.
Articles connexes
** Maison de Coucy: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Coucy
** Liste des seigneurs de Coucy: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_seigneurs_de_Coucy."^13,14

; Per Genealogy.EU (de Coucy): "B1. Raoul I, sn de Coucy, etc., *ca 1135, +k.a.Acre XI.1191, bur Foisny; 1m: before 1164 Agnes of Hainaut (*ca 1142 +1168/73); 2m: after 1173 Alix de Dreux (*ca 1156 +after 1217.)¹⁵"

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Raoul 1er de Coucy ° ~1135/47 +x 01/11/1190/91 (croisé 1188, + siège d’Acre, Palestine), seigneur de Coucy (1160), Crécy-sur-Serre, La Fère, Pinon, Saint-Gobain, Fontaines, Landouzies, Marle et Vervins (1168), combattant & négociateur avisé (allié à Philippe II «Auguste» contre Philippe d’Alsace, comte de Flandres, en Vermandois) (partage ses domaines entre ses fils créant 3 branches distinctes : Guînes et Meaux, Vervins et Polecourt, Pinon et Meaux)
     ép. 1) dès 1164 Agnès de Hainaut ° ~1140/42 + dès 1173 (Laon) (fille de Baudouin IV «Le Bâtisseur», et d’Alix, comtesse de Namur) (dont 3 filles)
     ép. 2) ~1174 Alix de Dreux ° ~1156 + après 1217 (1219) (fille de Robert 1er, comte de Dreux, et d’Agnès de Baudément ; petite-fille du roi Louis VI «Le Gros» ; cousine du Roi régnant) (dont 4 fils et 1 fille.)¹⁶"

; Per Genealogy.EU: "A9. [3m.] Adelaide=Alix, *1156, +after 1217; m.1174 Raoul I de Coucy (*ca 1135 +XI.1191.)¹⁷"

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Agnès de Hainaut «La Boîteuse» ° 1140/45 (~1142) + 1168/73
     ép. avant 1164 Raoul 1er de Coucy ° 1134 ou après 1142 ? +X 11/1191 (siège d’Acre, Palestine) seigneur de Coucy, Marle, La Fère, Crécy, Vervins, Landousies et Pinon (fils d’Enguerrand II, seigneur de Coucy et d’Agnès de Boisgency.)¹⁸"

; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders): "C8. Agnes, *ca 1142, +1168/73; m.before 1164 Raoul I de Coucy (*1134 +XI.1191, bur Foisny.)^19,15"

; Per Racines et Histoire: "2) Adélaïde (Alix) de Dreux ° ~1156 + après 02/1217 (1239 ?)
ép. dès 1174 Raoul 1er de Coucy ° ~ 1135 ou après 1142 ? +X 01/11/1191 (Acre, croisé ; inh. à l’Abbaye de Foigny) seigneur de Coucy et Marle, conseiller du Roi Philippe II «Auguste» (fils d’Enguerrand II, seigneur de Coucy, Marle, La Fère et Vervins, et d’Agnès de Beaugency ou Boisgency ; veuf d’Agnès de Hainaut > dont Yolande
qui ép. Robert II de Dreux))
ép. 2) Raymond, comte de Langres."²⁰ He was Seigneur de Coucy between 1149 and 1191.¹³ He was He joined the third Crusade and fell at the siege of Acre in 1191. in 1191.²