Gebhard I von Wasserburg Count of Diessen1,2,3

M, #19861, b. circa 1060, d. 3 October 1102
FatherBerthold III von Andechs Graf von Andechs2 b. c 1030, d. bt 1095 - 1098
ReferenceGAV25 EDV27
Last Edited18 Apr 2020
     Gebhard I von Wasserburg Count of Diessen was born circa 1060. He married Richgard (?) von Sponheim, daughter of Engelbert I (?) Graf im Kraichgau, Graf von Sponheim and Hedwig/Hadwich (?) of Saxony, after 1098; her 3rd husband.1,2,4,5,6,7,3
Gebhard I von Wasserburg Count of Diessen died on 3 October 1102.1,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: 1 182.8

; Per Med Lands:
     "GEBHARD [I] [von Wasserburg], son of --- & his wife Gisela --- (-3 Oct [1102]). Graf von Diessen [1099]. The necrology of Diessen records the death "V Non Oct" of "Gebehardus com frater Berhtoldi comitis fundatoris nostri"[975].
     "m (after 1098) as her second husband, RICHGARD von Sponheim, widow of POPPO II Marchese di Carniola e Istria, daughter of ENGELBERT Graf von Sponheim Graf im Pustergau & his wife Hadwig --- (-10 Apr [1130]). Her first marriage is indicated by the Fundatio Sancti Pauli in Carinthia which names "Poppo gener comitis" as first witness to a charter of Engelbert dated 2 Dec 1092, although this document does not name Poppo’s wife[976]. Her second marriage is indicated by the following document: "Rihkart uxor Gebehardi comitis et filius eius Engilpreht" donated a mill “apud Chlotheim” to Ebersberg by undated charter[977]. Richgard's origin is confirmed by the following document: "Rihkart cometissa" donated "curtis ad Gurk" to Kloster St Paul by charter dated to [1106], witnessed by “Bernhart et Heinrih fratres eius...”[978]. [Richgard may have married thirdly Berthold [I] [von Schwarzenberg]. Wegener speculates that Berthold [I] was her first husband[979]. The chronology of Richgard herself and of her first and second husbands suggests that she could only have married Berthold as her third husband. This suggestion fits neatly into a proposed new reconstruction of the Schwarzenberg/Regensburg family, shown in the present document, aimed at reconciling apparently contradictory sources relating to the family origin of Friedrich [I] Archbishop of Köln. One difficulty is that Richgard would have had sons named Engelbert by both her second and third husbands, which seems unlikely.]"
Med Land cites:
[975] Necrologium Diessense, Augsburg Necrologies, p. 7.
[976] Fundatio Monasterii Sancti Pauli in Carinthia 4, MGH SS XV.2, p. 1059.
[977] Hundt ‘Cartular des Klosters Ebersberg’ (1879), 8, p. 162.
[978] Kärntner Geschichtsquellen (1906), 528, p. 212.
[979] Wegener (1965/67), p. 238.3
GAV-25 EDV-27.

Family

Richgard (?) von Sponheim b. c 1050, d. c 10 Apr 1130
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gebhard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174602&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen2.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#GebhardIDiessendied1102. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Sponh 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/sponheim/sponh1.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richgard von Sponheim: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080242&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richgard von Sponheim: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080242&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#RichgardSponheimdied1130
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gebhard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174602&tree=LEO

Siegfried (?) Count of Leventhal, Markgraf of Ungarnmark, Graf im Pustertal1,2

M, #19862, b. circa 1010, d. 5 July 1065
FatherEberhard (?) Count of Spondheim b. c 980, d. c 1023
MotherHeadwig (?) of Nellenburg b. c 980
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Siegfried (?) Count of Leventhal, Markgraf of Ungarnmark, Graf im Pustertal was born circa 1010. He married Richardis/Richgard (?) of Pusterthal, daughter of Engelbert III-IV (?) Count in the Pusterthal, Count im Inn- und Nordtal and Luitgard (?) of Istria.1,3,2
Siegfried (?) Count of Leventhal, Markgraf of Ungarnmark, Graf im Pustertal died on 5 July 1065.1,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 118.1

; The house of Sponheim apparently began with two first cousins, the names of whose fathers are unknown. One was Gf Stephan von Sponheim. The other, and probably senior cousin, was Siegfried, Margrave of the Hungarian Mark (1045-48), Count im Pustertal, +1065; m.Richgard von Lavant (+ca 1072) dau.of Gf Engelbert im Inn- und Norital.2 He was Count im Pustertal.2 GAV-27. He was Margrave of the Hungarian Mark between 1045 and 1048.2

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siegfried: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080243&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Sponheim 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/sponheim/sponh1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richgard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080244&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080240&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#EngelbertISponheimdied1096. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Richardis/Richgard (?) of Pusterthal1,2

F, #19863, b. circa 1010, d. after 9 July 1072
FatherEngelbert III-IV (?) Count in the Pusterthal, Count im Inn- und Nordtal1,3,2 b. c 980, d. 1039
MotherLuitgard (?) of Istria1 b. c 980, d. a 1051
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Richardis/Richgard (?) of Pusterthal was born circa 1010. She married Siegfried (?) Count of Leventhal, Markgraf of Ungarnmark, Graf im Pustertal, son of Eberhard (?) Count of Spondheim and Headwig (?) of Nellenburg.4,1,2
Richardis/Richgard (?) of Pusterthal died after 9 July 1072.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 118.1 GAV-27. Richardis/Richgard (?) of Pusterthal was also known as Richgard (?) von Lavant.2

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richgard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080244&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Sponheim 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/sponheim/sponh1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080245&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siegfried: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080243&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080240&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#EngelbertISponheimdied1096. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Berthold III von Andechs Graf von Andechs1

M, #19864, b. circa 1030, d. between 1095 and 1098
ReferenceGAV27 EDV28
Last Edited23 Aug 2020
     Berthold III von Andechs Graf von Andechs married Sophie von Schweinfurt, daughter of Otto III (?) Duke of Schwaben, Markgraf von Schweinfurt and Irmingard de Susa.2,3,4 Berthold III von Andechs Graf von Andechs was born circa 1030.
Berthold III von Andechs Graf von Andechs died between 1095 and 1098.
     ; NB: The identity of the parents of Berthold Graf von Andechs who m1 Sophie von Krain un Istriedn and m2 Kunibunde von Formbach-Puitten is inconclusive.
     Wikipedia states: "Berthold's ancestry has not been conclusively established. According to the Europäische Stammtafeln genealogy, he was probably the elder son and heir of Count Arnold of Dießen (d. 1098) and his wife Gisela of Schweinfurt, a daughter of Duke Otto III of Swabia."
     Wikipedia (De.) also shows his parents as "Grafen Arnold von Dießen († 1098) und der Gisela von Schweinfurt."
     Genealogy.EU (Diessen 1) shows his parents as "Graf Berthold II von Diessen m. N von Hohenwart"
     Med Lands shows Berthold's father as Arnold von Diessen. Hoiwever, Med Lands states that his mother was named Gisela, but questions whether his mother was Gisela von Schweinfurt.
     However, Genealogics says that his parents were Berthold III, Graf von Andecs and Gisela von Schwaben, quoting:
     1. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band I, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. 26a.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 1.1:86B.
Conclusion: For the moment, I have chosen to follow the Med Lands lineage. GA Vaut.5,6,7,8,9,10,11

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 26.12 GAV-27 EDV-28 GKJ-27.
; NB: There is disagreement concerning the von Diessen family. This includes the parents of Berthold II. Genealogics and Genealogy.EU show one lineage. Med Lands shows a different descent, with material differences.
     A good description of the likely source of the confusion is found on Med Lands:
     "The following Graf Friedrich [II] is recorded in 1025 (as the father of Berthold [I]), in 1027 (twice, once as father of Otto [I]), and in 1030. He was therefore presumably a different person from Graf Friedrich [I], who is recorded as having died in Jerusalem before 1020. It is not known how the two Grafen Friedrich may have been related, if at all. However, the continuity of references to Diessen suggests a close connection, maybe father and son. Wegener conflates Graf Friedrich [I] and Graf Friedrich [II] as he appears to ignore the reference to the death of the former before 1020[609]. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses does not name a second Graf Friedrich, although this is not surprising considering that it appears to ignore the generations between Graf Friedrich [I] and Otto Graf von Wolfratshausen[610]. Generally, the reconstruction of the family of the Grafen von Diessen is hindered rather than helped by the speculative connections suggested by Wegener. An attempt has been made in the following passages to explain these speculations and highlight any contradictions with primary sources which he does not cite. Unfortunately, it appears that many of these misleading speculations have found their way into the tables in Europäische Stammtafeln in which they appear as definite. In the case of this family, therefore, it is more important than ever to use the "back to basics" approach and start again from scratch in compiling information from primary sources. Hopefully, the results are relatively accurate but it is admitted that it is particularly challenging to achieve a definitive reconstruction of this family and no doubt further improvements are possible."
     A. Genealogics relies on Europäische Stammtafeln and shows:
|-->A.1 Berthold I Graf an der Oberen Isar d/ ca 26 Aug 990
|------>A.1.1 Dietrich I, Graf im Wasserburg living 1003
|---------->A.1.1.1 Friedrich I, Graf von Diessen m. Kunizza von Oenningen d. 1020
|-------------->A.1.1.1.1 Berthold II, Graf von Diessen living 1025 m. NN
|------------------>A.1.1.1.1.1 Berthold III, Graf von Andechs living 1095 m. Gisela von Schwaben
|---------->A.1.1.1.2 Otto II, Graf von Diessen d. ca 24 Apr 1120 m. Justizia of Austria
|------>A.1.1.2 Friedrich II, Graf von Diessen d. 23 Jan 1075 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmingard von Gilching m3 Tuta von Regensburg
     B. Genealogy.EU (Diessen I) cites now sources and shows.
B.1 Berthold I, Pfalzgraf von Bayern. 978/26.8.990; m. N of Upper-Lorraine
|-->B.1.1 Dietrich, d. 1020
|-->B.1.2 Friedrich I Diessen d. 1030
|------>B.1.2.1 Berthold II von Diessen d. 1060; m. NN von Hohenwart
|---------->B.1.2.1.1 Berthold III, Gf von Diessen d. 27.6.1151 m1 Sophie of Istria; m2 Kunigunde von Formbach-Pütten
|------>B.1.2.2 Friedrich II, Gf von Diessen. 1055 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmengard von Gilching m3 NN von Regensburg
     C. Med Lands cites multiple sources and shows the following:
First of all, Med Lands says: "According to Wegener, Graf Friedrich [I] was the son of Berthold von Reisensburg, son of Arnulf Pfalzgraf in Bavaria [Luitpoldinger][596]. He bases this on a "Berthold" witnessing several exchanges of property in the oberen Isar dated [990/99], and equating him with Berthold von Reisensburg. Several points can be made about this theory. Firstly, it seems surprising that such an illustrious connection with the Luitpoldinger Dukes of Bavaria would not have been mentioned by the various contemporary sources which relate the early history of the Grafen von Diessen. Secondly, the estimated birth date of Berthold von Reisensburg is restricted to the limited period [929/31], bearing in mind the known dates of his own career and the likely birth date of his father. His last known mention is dated 976. Another burst of activity fourteen years after that date would be surprising when he would then have been in his sixties. Thirdly, judging from the 976 entry, Berthold von Reisensburg appears to have fallen into disgrace with Emperor Otto II. There is no record of his return to favour. It is likely therefore that he died soon after and that his descendants (if any) fell into obscurity. Fourthly, it is surprising that Berthold von Reisensburg would not have been described as comes even in entries relating to the period after his disgrace as he would presumably have continued to claim and use the title."

Med Lands thus severs the links between the A.1 and A.1.1 (Genealogics line above) and that between B.1 and both B.1.1 and B.1.2 (Genealogy.EU line above). Med Links shows no ancestors for either Friedrich I or Dietrich, but in fact hypothesizes that they might possibly have been brothers.
C.1. Friedrich [I] "Roch" ( d. Jerusalem before 1020) m. KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza],
C.2. Dietrich d. 1010/20 or after "Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20], suggesting that the two may have been brothers[608]." (Citing [608] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.)
C.3 Friedrich [II] (-1030 or after).
|-->C.3.1 Berthold [I] (d after 16 May 1060).
|-->C.3.2 Friedrich [III] d 30 Jun 1075)
|------>C.3.2.1 Arnold von Diessen (d. aft 1091) m. NN von Schweinfurt (not Gisela)
|---------->C..2.1.1 Berthold [III] (-27 Jun 1151) m1. Sophie of Istria m2. Kunigunde von Formbach

Conclusion: I find Med Lands' presentation most convincing and have now changed my data to reflect this. GA Vaut.13,14,15,12,16,11,17,18

Family 1

Sophie von Schweinfurt d. 20 Jan 1100

Family 2

Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033343&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen2.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisela von Schwaben: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033344&tree=LEO
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Wittel 19 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wittel/wittel19.html
  5. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthold_II,_Count_of_Andechs. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033345&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#BertholdAndechsDiessendied1151. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Berthold II. (Andechs): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthold_II._(Andechs). Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#BertholdAndechsDiessendied1151A
  10. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 20 June 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen1.html
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033343&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc524803051
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331097&tree=LEO
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079991&tree=LEO
  16. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luitpoldings: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/luitpold1.html#F2D
  17. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen2.html
  18. [S1549] Gregory A. Vaut, "GA Vaut Comment", 4 June 2020.

Gebhard III von Sulzbach Graf von Sulzbach1,2,3

M, #19865, b. circa 1114, d. 28 October 1188
FatherBerengar I von Sulzbach Graf von Sulzbach, Graf von Bamberg2,4,5,1,3 b. c 1080, d. 3 Dec 1125
MotherAdelheid von Diessen6,2,5,1,3 d. 11 Jan 1126
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited15 Aug 2020
     Gebhard III von Sulzbach Graf von Sulzbach was born circa 1114.2,1 He married Mathilde (?) von Bayern, daughter of Heinrich I "the Black" (?) Duke of Bavaria and Wulfhilda (?) of Saxony, in 1129;
Her 2nd husband.
Leo van de Pas says m. 1129; Welf 2 page says m. bef 1132.7,8,2,1,3
Gebhard III von Sulzbach Graf von Sulzbach died on 28 October 1188.8,2,1,3
Gebhard III von Sulzbach Graf von Sulzbach was buried after 28 October 1188 at Kloster Kastl, Kastl, Amberg-Sulzbach, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany,

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     28 Oct 1188
     Count of Sulzbach. Born the oldest son of Berengar I and Adelheid von Wolfratshausen. He married Mathilde of Bavaria in 1129. He died without male heir.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Berengar I von Sulzbach 1080–1125
          Adelheid von Wolfratshausen unknown–1126
     Spouse
          Mathilde von Bayern 1105–1183
     Siblings
          Bertha von Sulzbach unknown–1160
          Gertrud von Sulzbach 1110–1146
     Children
          Berengar II von Sulzbach unknown–1167
     BURIAL     Kloster Kastl, Kastl, Landkreis Amberg-Sulzbach, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany
     Created by: Lutetia
     Added: 18 Apr 2014
     Find A Grave Memorial 128146648.9
     ; NB: There is no clear agreement between my main "tertiary" sources of information regarding the descent of Gebhard I. However, the four following sources provide various pieces of a descent:


I. Genealogy.EU (Babenberg) - This descent is clear, but is not supported by any sources:
1. Duke Hermann IV of Swabia (1030-38), *1015, +Trento 28.7.1038; m.Adelheid of Susa (*1015 +19.12.1091) dau.of Mgve Odelrico Menfredo II of Susa, Mkgf of Turin by Berthe von Este
2. Gf Gebhard I von Sulzbach, +ca 1080; m.NN, dau.of Gf Berengar
3. Gf Gebhard II von Sulzbach, *ca 1053, +1085; m.1079 Irmingard vom Rott und Vohburg (+14.7.1101)
4. Gf Berengar II von Sulzbach, Vogt von Bamberg, *ca 1080, +3.12.1125, bur Kastl; 1m: Adelheid von Lechsgemünd (+24.2.1112); 2m: 1113 Adelheid von Wolfratshausen (+11.1.1126); all children by 2m.
5. Gf Gebhard III von Sulzbach, *1114, +28.10.1188, bur Kastl; m.Mathilde Welf (+16.3.1183)

     Genealogics - No father is shown for Gebhard I and the descent from him is shown as follows:
1. Gebhard I, Graf von Sulzbach [1] b. Est 1040 m. NN
2. Adelheid von Sulzbach [1.1] d. 1090 m. Heinrich II, Graf von Formbach
2. Gebhard II, Graf von Sulzbach [1.2] d. Abt 1085 m. Irmingard von Rott b. Est 1055 d. 14 Jun 1101
3. Berengar I, Graf von Sulzbach [1.2.1] b. Abt 1080 d. 3 Dec 1125 m1. Adelheid von Lechsgemünd d. 24 Feb 1105 m2. Adelheid von Diessen d. 11 Jan 1126
4. 2nd m Gebhard III, Graf von Sulzbach [1.2.1.1] b. Abt 1114 d. 28 Oct 1188 m. Mathilde von Bayern d. 16 Feb 1183



II. Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band I, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. 9.
2. Herren von Perg und Machland Wikipedia (DE).
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 16:93A.



III. Med Lands - This is a more fragmented descent in that, while the individuals are listed, their parent/child connections are not shown or are shown as uncertain. The following generations are shown , with ">>>" indicating no connection shown, though the individuals are listed:
1. NN m. Adelheid LNU 9d aft 28 Nov 1043)
2. Gebhard I (d aft 1085) m. ?
>>>>>>
3. Gebhard II (d. 1085) m. Irmgard von Rott
4. Berengar III (1080-3 Dec 1125) m1. Adelheid von Lechsgemünd m2. Adelheid von von Wolfratshausen
5. Gebhard III (d. 28 Oct 1188) m. Mathilde of Bavaria

Med Lands offers a few comments on the uncertainties:
     1. Re father of Gebhard I: "Wegener assumes that Adelheid was the widow of Hermann IV Duke of Swabia[1817]. He presumably bases this assumption on a creative interpretation of the 14th century Deutsche Reimchronik of Kloster Kastel which records that Ernst Duke of Swabia (presumably indicating Duke Ernst I, father of Duke Hermann IV) had “ain Suen...Gebhardus...Sultzpach”[1818]. No other primary source has been found which indicates any family relationship between the Babenberger dukes of Swabia and the Grafen von Sulzbach. It is suggested that the Deutsche Reimchronik represents a fantasised version of the connection. In any case, Adelaida di Susa, widow of Duke Hermann IV, was married to Enrico di Monferrato in [early 1042] and in two charters dated the following year is recorded in northern Italy (see the document SWABIA DUKES). It is unlikely therefore that she would have been recorded as holding property in the Bavarian Nordgau around the same time. In addition, if Gebhard had been her son it is likely that he would have claimed the duchy of Swabia at some point."
Here, Med Lands cites:
[1817] Wegener, W. (1965/67) Genealogischen Tafeln zur mitteleuropäischen Geschichte (Verlag Degener), p. 196.
[1818] Moritz (1833), Vol. II, Zweite Beilage, Deutsche Reimchronik des Klosters Kastel, p. 128, lines 147-54.

     2. Re relationship between Gebhard I and Gebhard 2: "Wegener identifies Gebhard [I] with Gebhard who is named as Graf von Sulzbach in 1071, who is shown below as Gebhard [II][1820]. If that is correct, Gebhard [II]’s marriage to Irmgard von Rott must have been his second marriage."
Here, Med Lands cites: [1820] Wegener, W. (1965/67) Genealogischen Tafeln zur mitteleuropäischen Geschichte (Verlag Degener), p. 196


IV. Wikipedia (DE) - Wikipedia (DE) does not show Gebhard I or his father, and has the following comment: "Stammbaum und seine Zuordnungen in der Hauptsache nach Jürgen Dendorfer, [9] ergänzt um Angaben nach Heinz Dopsch – in Klammern und kursiv gesetzt ggf. alte Zählweise und Datumshinweise nach Heinz Dopsch.[10] [10]" [Translation by GA Vaut: "The Family tree and its assignments mainly based on Jürgen Dendorfer, [9] supplemented with information based on Heinz Dopsch - in brackets and italics, if applicable, old counting methods and date references based on Heinz Dopsch. [10]"]. Wikipedia (DE) shows the following descent:
1. Gebhard I. (II.) (1043/1071; † 1085), Graf von Sulzbach ? Irmgard von Rott († 14. Juni 1101)
2. Adelheid († vor 1133) ? Graf Sigiboto II. von Weyarn
2. Berengar I. (* vor 1080; † 3. Dezember 1125), Graf von Sulzbach, Stifter des Jahrhunderte später zur Fürstpropstei erhobenen Klosterstifts Berchtesgaden und von Baumburg, Mitstifter des Klosters Kastl ? nach Februar 1099 Adelheid von Frontenhausen († 1105), Witwe des Ulrich von Passau (1), ? Adelheid von Wolfratshausen († 1126) (2) [11]
3. Gebhard II. (III.) (* um 1114 † 28. Oktober 1188), Graf von Sulzbach; im staufischen Dienst, Rivale der Diepoldinger-Rapotonen auf dem Nordgau; Regensburger Domvogt, Vogt von Niedermünster sowie von Passau-Niedernburg, Erbe der Burg Warberg ? 1129 Mathilde († 16. März 1183), Tochter von Heinrich IX. (auch: Heinrich der Schwarze) Herzog von Bayern

Here, Wikipedia (DE):
[9] Jürgen Dendorfer: Die Grafen von Sulzbach; PDF-Datei S. 11 von 35
[10] Zur Anzahl und Namen ihrer gemeinsamen Kinder Heinz Dopsch: Siedlung und Recht. Zur Vorgeschichte der Berchtesgadener Stiftsgründer. In: Walter Brugger, Heinz Dopsch, Peter F. Kramml (Hrsg.): Geschichte von Berchtesgaden. Bd. 1: Zwischen Salzburg und Bayern (bis 1594). Berchtesgaden 1991, S. 175–228, hier: S. 214 und 221.
[11] Zur Anzahl und Namen ihrer gemeinsamen Kinder siehe Heinz Dopsch: Siedlung und Recht. Zur Vorgeschichte der Berchtesgadener Stiftsgründer, in: Walter Brugger [Hrsg.]: Geschichte von Berchtesgaden. Stift - Markt - Land, Bd. 1, S. 214 und 221


Conclusion: I have chosen to follow the basic lineage shown by Genealogy.EU, building in the information and warnings from the other three sources. GA Vaut.10,11,12,13,14 He was Per Genealogics:
     "Gebhard III was born about 1114, the son of Berengar I, Graf von Sulzbach, and his second wife Adelheid von Diessen. After his father's death in 1125 he was appointed count of Sulzbach, and he was also count of Floss and margrave from 1146 to 1149. In 1129, probably on 24 October, he married Mathilde von Bayern, widow of Diepold IV, Graf von Vohburg, and daughter of Heinrich 'the Black', Herzog von Bayern, and Wulfhild von Sachsen. They had five children of whom Elisabeth and Adelheid would have progeny. Gebhard survived all his children, including his son Berengar III who died childless in 1167.
     "After his sister Mathilde died without heirs in 1165, on 22 December that year Gebhard reached an agreement with her widower Engelbert III, margrave of Istria and of Tuscany, to take over her extensive inheritance in the Chiemgau. In 1144 he had also inherited the fortress of Warberg.
     "Gebhard was mentioned in the first report of the foundation of the abbey of Berchtesgaden written between 1125 and 1136 _(Fundatio monasterii Berchtesgadensis)._ In 1121, as a youth he made a donation to the 'brethren of the Church of St. John the Baptist and St. Peter' in Berchtesgaden from the inheritance of his mother 'for the salvation of his soul and that of his parents'.
     "Later, he also appears as a witness in the 'Freedom Charter', the Golden Bull of Emperor Friedrich I Barbarossa of 1156 in which he confirmed the right of the Berchtesgaden abbey and its then provost Heinrich I to choose and dismiss its steward. The Bull also guaranteed the abbey's land and forest holdings. This also indirectly benefitted Gebhard, as the secular authority over the lands around Berchtesgaden, as the local economy prospered through the development of forestry, salt harvesting and mining.
     "All this aroused the aspirations of the Counts of Plain, in whose county Berchtesgaden lay. However, after Emperor Friedrich's 'Freedom Charter' of 1156 guaranteed the possessions and rights of the abbey, the position of the Sulzbach governor was sufficiently consolidated to displace the counts. And though Provost Heinrich was assured in the 'Freedom Charter' of their authority to dismiss a steward, he and his immediate predecessors and successors were highly satisfied with their Sulzbach steward. A few years before his death, in 1183 Gebhard granted the abbey a very valuable share in the salt from Reichenhall.
     "Gebhard was not only steward of Berchtesgaden, but of the cathedral of Regensburg and of the abbeys of Niedermünster and Passau-Niedernburg. With his death on 28 October 1188 the house of the counts of Sulzbach died out in the male line.”.15 GAV-28.

; This is the same person as ”Gebhard III of Sulzbach” at Wikipedia and as ”Gebhard III. von Sulzbach” at Wikipedia (DE).16,17

; Per Wikipedia (DE): "Gebhard II. (III.) (* um 1114 † 28. Oktober 1188), Graf von Sulzbach; im staufischen Dienst, Rivale der Diepoldinger-Rapotonen auf dem Nordgau; Regensburger Domvogt, Vogt von Niedermünster sowie von Passau-Niedernburg, Erbe der Burg Warberg ? 1129 Mathilde († 16. März 1183), Tochter von Heinrich IX. (auch: Heinrich der Schwarze) Herzog von Bayern
“.13

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 9.15

; Per Med Lands:
     "GEBHARD [III] (-28 Oct [1188], bur Kastl). The 14th century Deutsche Reimchronik of Kloster Kastel names “von Flozz Grave Gebhart” as the son of Berengar and his wife “Von Wolfratshusen...Alhait”[1861]. “Comes...Peringarius unacum uxore sua Adelheida ac filio Gebehardo” donated “ex hereditate matris...in villa Grettich et in Sconeberge et in Grauingadem” to Berchtesgaden by undated charter[1862]. Wegener dates this charter to early Dec 1125[1863]. Graf von Sulzbach. “...Comes Gebhardus de Sulzbach...” witnessed the donation of “predium Hovesteten” to Ensdorf made by “Pilgrimo de Ebermundestorf” by charter dated to [1129][1864]. “Marchio Dietpaldus advocatus in Richinbach” delegated “Gebehardo comiti de Sulzbach” as “advocato sanctimonialium predictarum” by undated charter[1865]. “Theobaldus marchio, Udalricus comes de Leutenberg, Gebhardus de Sulzbach” witnessed an undated charter recording a donation to Freising[1866]. “Comes Gebehardus et uxor eius Mahthilt de Sulzpach” donated “tria predia...Giselhartesriuth...Witenriuth...Chruchilsdorf” to Berchtesgaden by undated charter[1867]. “...Comes...Gebehardus de Sulzbach et filius eius Beringerus...” witnessed the donation of “predium Druskin” to Ensdorf made by “comitissa Adelheit de Wartberc” by charter dated to [1144][1868]. Markgraf 1148. The document dated 17 Sep 1156 establishing the duchy of Austria is witnessed by "…Gebehardus comes de Sulzbach…"[1869]. "...Gebehardus comes de Sulzbach, Gebehardus comes de Liukenberg..." witnessed the charter dated 28 Jun 1168 under which Emperor Friedrich I granted property to Engelbert Graf von Berg[1870]. The necrology of Baumburg records the death "V Kal Nov" of "Gebhardus com de Sultzpach"[1871]. The Latin Chronicle of Kloster Kastel records the death “V Kal Nov” 1187 of “Dominus Gebhardus...comes de Flozz filius Perngeri comitis de Sultzpach” and his burial “in monasterio Scti Petri in Kastello iuxta patrem suum”[1872].
     "m (contract 24 Oct 1129) as her second husband, MATHILDE of Bavaria, widow of DIEPOLD [IV] Markgraf von Vohburg, daughter of HEINRICH IX "dem Schwarzen" Duke of Bavaria [Welf] & his wife Wulfhild of Saxony (-16 Feb or 16 Mar [1183], bur Kastl). The Historia Welforum names (in order) "Iuditham, Sophiam, Mahtildem, Wulfildem" as the four daughters of "Heinricus dux ex Wulfilde", specifying that Mathilde married firstly "Theopaldo filio Theopaldi marchionis de Voheburch" and secondly "Gebehardo de Sulzbach"[1873]. The Annalista Saxo names "Heinricum inclitum ducem Saxonie et Bawarie et Welfonem et quatuor filias" children of Duke Heinrich & his wife Wulfhild, specifying that "Quarta Machtildis nomine" married firstly "Thieppoldo iuniori, filio Thieppoldi marchionis senioris" and secondly "Gebehardus filius Beringeri comitis de Sulzbach"[1874]. “Comes Gebehardus et uxor eius Mahthilt de Sulzpach” donated “tria predia...Giselhartesriuth...Witenriuth...Chruchilsdorf” to Berchtesgaden by undated charter[1875]. The Latin Chronicle of Kloster Kastel records the death “XVII Kal Apr circa” 1181 of “domina Mehtildis comitissa”, adding that she “relinquit Perngerum iuniorem et quinque filias”[1876]."
Med Lands cites:
[1861] Moritz (1833), Vol. II, Zweite Beilage, Deutsche Reimchronik des Klosters Kastel, p. 147, lines 535-6.
[1862] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Band I, II, 236.
[1863] Wegener (1965/67), p. 201.
[1864] Freyberg (1829), Band II, Codex traditionum monasterii Ensdorf, XX, p. 189.
[1865] Excerpta e libro Traditionum monasterii Reichenbacensis sæc. XII, Monumenta Boica, Vol. XIV, XII, p. 415.
[1866] Wittmann ‘Landgrafen von Leuchtenberg’ (1852), p. 16, quoting Meichelbeck (1724), Tome I, p. 327 (not yet consulted).
[1867] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Band I (1856), Schenkungsbuch der Probstei Berchtesgaden, V, p. 242.
[1868] Freyberg (1829), Band II, Codex traditionum monasterii Ensdorf, LXI, p. 206.
[1869] Constitutio Ducatus Austriæ, MGH MGH LL, Tome 2, p. 99.
[1870] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 427, p. 297.
[1871] Necrologium Baumburgense, Salzburg Necrologies, p. 236.
[1872] Moritz (1833), Vol. II, Erste Beilage, Lateinische Chronik des Klosters Kastel, pp. 106-7.
[1873] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 15, MGH SS XXI, p. 463.
[1874] Annalista Saxo 1106.
[1875] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Band I (1856), Schenkungsbuch der Probstei Berchtesgaden, V, p. 242.
[1876] Moritz (1833), Vol. II, Erste Beilage, Lateinische Chronik des Klosters Kastel, p. 107.3


; Per Genealogy.EU (Babenberg): “F1. Gf Gebhard III von Sulzbach, *1114, +28.10.1188, bur Kastl; m.Mathilde Welf (+16.3.1183)”.2
; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE (-16 Feb or 16 Mar [1183], bur Kastl). The Historia Welforum names (in order) "Iuditham, Sophiam, Mahtildem, Wulfildem" as the four daughters of "Heinricus dux ex Wulfilde", specifying that Mathilde married firstly "Theopaldo filio Theopaldi marchionis de Voheburch" and secondly "Gebehardo de Sulzbach"[361]. The Annalista Saxo names "Heinricum inclitum ducem Saxonie et Bawarie et Welfonem et quatuor filias" as children of Duke Heinrich & his wife Wulfhild, specifying that "Quarta Machtildis nomine" married firstly "Thieppoldo iuniori, filio Thieppoldi marchionis senioris" and secondly "Gebehardus filius Beringeri comitis de Sulzbach"[362]. The Latin Chronicle of Kloster Kastel records the death “XVII Kal Apr circa” 1181 of “domina Mehtildis comitissa”, adding that she “relinquit Perngerum iuniorem et quinque filias”[363].
     "m firstly ([1128]) DIEPOLD [IV] Markgraf von Vohburg, son of DIEPOLD [III] Markgraf von Vohburg & his first wife Adelajda of Poland (-[1128]).
     "m secondly (contract 24 Oct 1129) GEBHARD [III] Graf von Sulzbach, son of BERENGAR [III] Graf von Sulzbach & his second wife Adelheid von Wolfratshausen (-28 Oct [1188], bur Kastl)."
Med Lands cites:
[361] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 15, MGH SS XXI, p. 463.
[362] Annalista Saxo 1106.
[363] Moritz, J. (1833) Stammreihe und Geschichte der Grafen von Sulzbach (Munich), Vol. II, Erste Beilage, Lateinische Chronik des Klosters Kastel, p. 107.18

; Per Genealogy.EU (Welf 2): "C6. Mathilde, +16.3.1183; 1m: ca 1128 Mgve Dietrich IV von Vohburg (+ca 1130); 2m: before 1132 Gf Gebhard III von Sulzbach (+28.10.1188.)19"

Family

Mathilde (?) von Bayern d. 16 Mar 1183
Children

Citations

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  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page - The Babenbergs: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
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  4. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berengar_II_of_Sulzbach. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
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  9. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 12 November 2019), memorial page for Gebhard III von Sulzbach (unknown–28 Oct 1188), Find A Grave Memorial no. 128146648, citing Kloster Kastl, Kastl, Landkreis Amberg-Sulzbach, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany ; Maintained by Lutetia (contributor 46580078), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/128146648/gebhard_iii-von_sulzbach. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gebhard I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106617&tree=LEO
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  13. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Irmgard von Rott: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irmgard_von_Rott. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  14. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 15 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
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Hedwig/Hadwich (?) of Saxony1

F, #19866, b. 1047, d. after 1 June 1100
FatherBernhard II (?) Herzog von Sachsen2,1 b. c 995, d. 29 Jun 1059
MotherEilika von Schweinfurt2,1 b. bt 1000 - 1005, d. c 1055
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Hedwig/Hadwich (?) of Saxony was born in 1047.3 She married Engelbert I (?) Graf im Kraichgau, Graf von Sponheim, son of Siegfried (?) Count of Leventhal, Markgraf of Ungarnmark, Graf im Pustertal and Richardis/Richgard (?) of Pusterthal.4,5,6,7,1
Hedwig/Hadwich (?) of Saxony died after 1 June 1100.6,1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ENGELBERT [I] von Sponheim, son of SIEGFRIED Graf von Sponheim und im Pustertal ex-Markgraf & his wife Richgard [Sieghardinger] (-1 Apr 1096). The Fundatio Monasterii Sancti Pauli in Carinthia names "comes Engelbertus ex patre Sigfrido Francorum civis, ex matre Rihkarda maiorum Karinthia primus"[618]. Graf im Kraichgau. Graf von Sponheim [1070]. Graf im Pustertal 1070. Vogt of Salzburg. The necrology of Regensburg St Emmeram records the death "Kal Apr" of "Engilbertus ex comite m"[619]. The necrology of Seckau records the death "Kal Apr" of "Engelbertus fundator s Pauli in Lavant"[620].
     "m [as her second husband,] HEDWIG, [widow of --- von Schwarzenberg,] daughter of --- (-1 Jun [after 1100]). The Fundatio Sancti Pauli in Carinthia names "Hadwich cometissa Engelberti relicta", and lists (in order) "Engelbert et Pernhart et Hainrich filii ipsius" as witnesses to the related diploma[621]. A possible family origin of Hedwig is indicated by the Genealogia ex stirpe Sancti Arnulfi which names "Idam Namucensem…uxorem Angelberti marchionis et Gertrudem comitissam Flandrensem" as the children of "Bernardum"[622]. It is not certain to whom "Angelberti marchionis" refers, but it is possible that it is Engelbert [I] Graf von Sponheim whose father bore the title Markgraf. If that is correct, Hedwig could have been Hedwig of Saxony, daughter of Bernhard II Duke of Saxony [Billung] & his wife Eilika von Schweinfurt. Wegener points out that a Saxon origin for Hedwig is consistent with the introduction of the names Bernhard and Heinrich into the family of the Grafen von Sponheim[623]. However, if Hedwig was the daughter of Duke Bernhard, she must have been born in the range [1020/40], which seems early in light of the chronology of her children. Her possible first marriage is suggested as a possible way of reconciling apparently contradictory sources relating to the family origin of Friedrich [I] Archbishop of Köln. Another possibility is that Engelbert [I] married twice, his earlier unrecorded wife being the widow of --- von Schwarzenberg. Wegener cites a source according to which Babo Abbot of Deutz was named avunculus of Berthold's son Friedrich[624]. If that is correct, and if “avunculus” was used in this document in its strict sense of maternal uncle, Abbot Babo was the brother of the wife of “--- [von Schwarzenberg]”. The question of the family origin of Archbishop Friedrich is discussed fully in the document BAVARIA NOBILITY. The necrology of Regensburg St Emmeram records the death "Kal Jun" of "Hadewich coma"[625]."
Med Lands cites:
[618] Fundatio Monasterii Sancti Pauli in Carinthia 2, MGH SS XV.2, p. 1058.
[619] Necrologium Monasterii S Emmerammi Ratisbonensis, Regensburg Necrologies, p. 301.
[620] Necrologium Seccoviense, Salzburg Necrologies (Regio Styriaca), p. 403.
[621] Fundatio Monasterii Sancti Pauli in Carinthia 8, MGH SS XV.2, p. 1060.
[622] Genealogia ex stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 7, MGH SS XXV, p. 384.
[623] Wegener (1965/67), p. 265.
[624] Wegener (1965/67), p. 238.
[625] Necrologium Monasterii S Emmerammi Ratisbonensis, Regensburg Necrologies, p. 301.5


; Per Genealogy.EU (Sponheim 1): “A1. Gf Engelbert I von Sponheim, Gf im Kraichgau und im Pustertal 1060, steward of Salzburg, +1.4.1096; m.Hedwig von Eppenstein (+17.7.1112), dau.of Markwart IV von Eppenstein”.4

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 118.6 GAV-27 EDV-27.

; NB: There is uncertainty concerning the parents of the Hedwig/Hadwich that Engelbert I married.
     Sponheim 1 page says that Engelbert m. Hedwig von Eppenstein (+17.7.1112), dau.of Markwart IV von Eppenstein;
     Wikipedia (DE) identifies her as "Hadwig Billung, Tochter des Bernhard II. von Sachsen", citing: Wilhelm Wegener (Hrsg.): Genealogische Tafeln zur mitteleuropäischen Geschichte. Reise, Göttingen 1962–1969, S. 271.
     Genealogics just identifies her as Hadwich and shows no parents.
     Med Lands discusses the possibility that she was of Saxon origin (see Med Lands note for more detail of this discussion).
Conclusion: For the moment I have Hedwig/Hadwich as the dau. of Bernhard II Herzog in Sachsen, which seems to me to be the best of the proposals discussed in Med Lands. GA Vaut.4,6,7,5,8,9

; Per Med Lands:
     "[HEDWIG (-1 Jun [after 1100]). The Genealogia ex stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Idam Namucensem…uxorem Angelberti marchionis et Gertrudem comitissam Flandrensem" as children of "Bernardum"[349]. It is not certain to whom "Angelberti marchionis" refers, but it is possible that it is Engelbert [I] Graf von Sponheim whose father was Markgraf. It is not certain to whom "Angelberti marchionis" refers, but it is possible that it is Engelbert [I] Graf von Sponheim whose father was Markgraf. Wegener points out that a Saxon origin for Engelbert is consistent with the introduction of the names Bernhard and Heinrich into the family of the Grafen von Sponheim[350]. However, if she was the daughter of Duke Bernhard, she must have been born in the range [1020/40]. This seems early in light of the known career dates of Engelbert [I]'s children. Engelbert's wife is named "Hadwich cometissa Engelberti relicta" in the Fundatio Sancti Pauli in Carinthia[351]. The necrology of Regensburg St Emmeran records the death "Kal Jun" of "Hadewich coma"[352].
     "m ENGELBERT [I] Graf von Sponheim und im Pustertal, son of SIEGFRIED Graf von Sponheim und im Pustertal ex-Markgraf & his wife Richgard [Sieghardinger] (-1 Apr 1096).]"
Med Lands cites:
[349] Genealogia ex stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 7, MGH SS XXV, p. 384.
[350] Wegener, W. (1965/67) Genealogischen Tafeln zur mitteleuropäischen Geschichte (Verlag Degener), p. 265.
[351] Fundatio Monasterii Sancti Pauli in Carinthia 8, MGH SS XV.2, p. 1060.
[352] Necrologium Monasterii S Emmerammi Ratisbonensis, Regensburg Necrologies, p. 301.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#HedwigMEngelbertSponheim. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#BernhardIIdied1059
  3. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Sponheim 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/sponheim/sponh1.html
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#EngelbertISponheimdied1096
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadwich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080241&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080240&tree=LEO
  8. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Engelbert I. (Spanheim): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_I._(Spanheim). Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  9. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 19 July 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Sponh 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/sponheim/sponh1.html
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#RichgardSponheimdied1130
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080236&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#EngelbertIISponheimdied1141B

Pétronille de la Rivière1

F, #19867
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited26 Jun 2020
     Pétronille de la Rivière married Bernard de Terrasson comtor de Terrasson.1
     GAV-25.

Citations

  1. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des vicomtes de Turenne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_vicomtes_de_Turenne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).

Adhémar I de Turenne Vicomte des Echelles, Comte du Quercy1

M, #19868, d. 945
FatherRobert de Turenne Comte de Turenne1,2,3,4 d. a 932
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited25 Jun 2020
     Adhémar I de Turenne Vicomte des Echelles, Comte du Quercy married Fauciberge (?);
His 1st wife.2,3 Adhémar I de Turenne Vicomte des Echelles, Comte du Quercy married Gausla (?);
His 2nd wife.2,3
Adhémar I de Turenne Vicomte des Echelles, Comte du Quercy died in 945.1,2,3
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:791.1 GAV-29.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Turenne): “Ademar de Turenne + 945 (teste en 922, 930/31) vicomte des Echelles (898-941), comte du Quercy (935) (donation en 930 ; & à Saint-Martin de Tulle en 07/936)
     ép. 1) Fauciburge
     ép. 2) Gauzla + 927/31
     X) liaison avec ?”.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADEMAR de Turenne (-945). "Gozbertus et uxor mea Ricburgis" donated property "ecclesia S. Dionisii" for the souls of "patris nostri Rotberti, seu fratrum nostrorum Bosoni et Ademari, nec non etiam Odolrici seu et Rotberti et…nepotum nostrorum Bosonis verum etiam Johannis" by charter dated [943/948], subscribed by "Bosoni vicecomitis"[1383]. Vicomte des Echelles 898/941. "Ademarus" donated property by charter dated [930] which names "uxor mea Gauzla…Gausbertus frater meus…Bernardus filius meus"[1384]. "Ademarus et uxor mea Gauzla" made several testaments, of which some are dated [922] and [930/31], donating "castrum nostrum…Scalas" and other property to Tulle Saint-Martin, one of which names "Faucisburge quæ fuit uxor mea", another of which clarifies that "Gauzla" and "Bernardus filius meus" both predeceased Ademar[1385]. Comte du Quercy 935. "Gauzbertus vicecomes" donated property "in pago Lemovicino in vicaria Navensi in villa…Rael" to Tulle Saint-Martin " by charter dated Jul [936], signed by "Ademari vicecomitis fratris sui"[1386]. A charter dated to [946] recalls donations by "domni Ademari vicecomitis…[et] Fareldis"[1387].
     "m firstly FAUCIBURGE, daughter of ---. The Genealogia Ademari Vicecomitis Salarum in the cartulary of Tulle St Martin names "Fauciburgis prima uxor domni Ademari", undated[1388]. "Ademarus et uxor mea Gauzla" made several testaments, of which some are dated [922] and [930/31], one of which names "Faucisburge quæ fuit uxor mea"[1389].
     "m secondly GAUSLA, daughter of ---. [927/31]. "Ademarus" donated property by charter dated [930] which names "uxor mea Gauzla…Gausbertus frater meus…Bernardus filius meus"[1390]. "Ademarus et uxor mea Gauzla" made several testaments, of which some are dated [922] and [930/31], one of which clarifies that "Gauzla" and "Bernardus filius meus" both predeceased Ademar[1391]."
Med Lands cites:
[1383] Beaulieu, XXVIII, p. 57.
[1384] Beaulieu, XLIX, p. 90.
[1385] Tulle Saint-Martin 10-14, p. 21.
[1386] Tulle Saint-Martin 532, p. 286.
[1387] Tulle Saint-Martin 599, p. 327.
[1388] Tulle Saint-Martin 291, p. 175.
[1389] Tulle Saint-Martin 10-14, p. 21.
[1390] Beaulieu, XLIX, p. 90.
[1391] Tulle Saint-Martin 10-14, p. 21.2

Family 1

Gausla (?) d. bt 927 - 931

Family 2

Fauciberge (?)

Family 3

Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adhémar I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197498&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMOUSIN.htm#RobertTurennedied932B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Turenne, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Turenne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197496&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bernard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139564&tree=LEO

Frederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen1,2

M, #19869, d. 23 January 1075
FatherFrederich II von Diessen Graf von Diessen3 d. c 1030
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited20 Jun 2020
     Frederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen married Hadamut (?) von Eppenstein, daughter of Markwart II (?) von Eppenstein, circa 1026; his 1st wife.1,2 Frederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen married Irmingard von Gilching, daughter of Arnold (?) of Gilching and Ermengarde (?); his 2nd wife.1 Frederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen married Tuta von Regensburg, daughter of Hartwich (?) Domvogt von Regensburg; his 3rd wife.4,1
Frederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen died on 23 January 1075.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 26b,8.5

; Per Genealogics:
     "Friedrich was the son of Dietrich I, Graf im Wasserburg. He was steward of the Cathedral of Regensburg. He married three times: first to Hadamut, daughter of Eberhard von Eppenstein; then to Irmingard von Gilching, and finally to Tuta, daughter and heiress of Hartwich, Domvogt von Regensburg (steward of the Regensburg Cathedral).
     "He had numerous children from his second marriage. _Europäische Stammtafeln_ attributes his son Berthold I, who would have progeny, to his third marriage.
     "Friedrich died about 1075 as a lay monk in St. Blasien."5 GAV-28.
; NB: There is disagreement concerning the von Diessen family. This includes the parents of Berthold II. Genealogics and Genealogy.EU show one lineage. Med Lands shows a different descent, with material differences.
     A good description of the likely source of the confusion is found on Med Lands:
     "The following Graf Friedrich [II] is recorded in 1025 (as the father of Berthold [I]), in 1027 (twice, once as father of Otto [I]), and in 1030. He was therefore presumably a different person from Graf Friedrich [I], who is recorded as having died in Jerusalem before 1020. It is not known how the two Grafen Friedrich may have been related, if at all. However, the continuity of references to Diessen suggests a close connection, maybe father and son. Wegener conflates Graf Friedrich [I] and Graf Friedrich [II] as he appears to ignore the reference to the death of the former before 1020[609]. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses does not name a second Graf Friedrich, although this is not surprising considering that it appears to ignore the generations between Graf Friedrich [I] and Otto Graf von Wolfratshausen[610]. Generally, the reconstruction of the family of the Grafen von Diessen is hindered rather than helped by the speculative connections suggested by Wegener. An attempt has been made in the following passages to explain these speculations and highlight any contradictions with primary sources which he does not cite. Unfortunately, it appears that many of these misleading speculations have found their way into the tables in Europäische Stammtafeln in which they appear as definite. In the case of this family, therefore, it is more important than ever to use the "back to basics" approach and start again from scratch in compiling information from primary sources. Hopefully, the results are relatively accurate but it is admitted that it is particularly challenging to achieve a definitive reconstruction of this family and no doubt further improvements are possible."
     A. Genealogics relies on Europäische Stammtafeln and shows:
|-->A.1 Berthold I Graf an der Oberen Isar d/ ca 26 Aug 990
|------>A.1.1 Dietrich I, Graf im Wasserburg living 1003
|---------->A.1.1.1 Friedrich I, Graf von Diessen m. Kunizza von Oenningen d. 1020
|-------------->A.1.1.1.1 Berthold II, Graf von Diessen living 1025 m. NN
|------------------>A.1.1.1.1.1 Berthold III, Graf von Andechs living 1095 m. Gisela von Schwaben
|---------->A.1.1.1.2 Otto II, Graf von Diessen d. ca 24 Apr 1120 m. Justizia of Austria
|------>A.1.1.2 Friedrich II, Graf von Diessen d. 23 Jan 1075 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmingard von Gilching m3 Tuta von Regensburg
     B. Genealogy.EU (Diessen I) cites now sources and shows.
B.1 Berthold I, Pfalzgraf von Bayern. 978/26.8.990; m. N of Upper-Lorraine
|-->B.1.1 Dietrich, d. 1020
|-->B.1.2 Friedrich I Diessen d. 1030
|------>B.1.2.1 Berthold II von Diessen d. 1060; m. NN von Hohenwart
|---------->B.1.2.1.1 Berthold III, Gf von Diessen d. 27.6.1151 m1 Sophie of Istria; m2 Kunigunde von Formbach-Pütten
|------>B.1.2.2 Friedrich II, Gf von Diessen. 1055 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmengard von Gilching m3 NN von Regensburg
     C. Med Lands cites multiple sources and shows the following:
First of all, Med Lands says: "According to Wegener, Graf Friedrich [I] was the son of Berthold von Reisensburg, son of Arnulf Pfalzgraf in Bavaria [Luitpoldinger][596]. He bases this on a "Berthold" witnessing several exchanges of property in the oberen Isar dated [990/99], and equating him with Berthold von Reisensburg. Several points can be made about this theory. Firstly, it seems surprising that such an illustrious connection with the Luitpoldinger Dukes of Bavaria would not have been mentioned by the various contemporary sources which relate the early history of the Grafen von Diessen. Secondly, the estimated birth date of Berthold von Reisensburg is restricted to the limited period [929/31], bearing in mind the known dates of his own career and the likely birth date of his father. His last known mention is dated 976. Another burst of activity fourteen years after that date would be surprising when he would then have been in his sixties. Thirdly, judging from the 976 entry, Berthold von Reisensburg appears to have fallen into disgrace with Emperor Otto II. There is no record of his return to favour. It is likely therefore that he died soon after and that his descendants (if any) fell into obscurity. Fourthly, it is surprising that Berthold von Reisensburg would not have been described as comes even in entries relating to the period after his disgrace as he would presumably have continued to claim and use the title."

Med Lands thus severs the links between the A.1 and A.1.1 (Genealogics line above) and that between B.1 and both B.1.1 and B.1.2 (Genealogy.EU line above). Med Links shows no ancestors for either Friedrich I or Dietrich, but in fact hypothesizes that they might possibly have been brothers.
C.1. Friedrich [I] "Roch" ( d. Jerusalem before 1020) m. KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza],
C.2. Dietrich d. 1010/20 or after "Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20], suggesting that the two may have been brothers[608]." (Citing [608] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.)
C.3 Friedrich [II] (-1030 or after).
|-->C.3.1 Berthold [I] (d after 16 May 1060).
|-->C.3.2 Friedrich [III] d 30 Jun 1075)
|------>C.3.2.1 Arnold von Diessen (d. aft 1091) m. NN von Schweinfurt (not Gisela)
|---------->C..2.1.1 Berthold [III] (-27 Jun 1151) m1. Sophie of Istria m2. Kunigunde von Formbach

Conclusion: I find Med Lands' presentation most convincing and have now changed my data to reflect this. GA Vaut.3,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 He was living in 1035.1

Family 1

Child

Family 4

Tuta von Regensburg
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080015&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Wittel 19 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wittel/wittel19.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc524803051. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN von Regensburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080019&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080015&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331097&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079991&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033343&tree=LEO
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luitpoldings: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/luitpold1.html#F2D
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen1.html
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen2.html
  12. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 4 June 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen2.html#LF2
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadagunda/Haziga von Diessen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080012&tree=LEO
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uta von Diessen-Andechs: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00619346&tree=LEO
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#BertholdAndechsDiessendied1151A

Irmingard von Gilching1

F, #19870, b. circa 998
FatherArnold (?) of Gilching b. c 968, d. a 1027
MotherErmengarde (?) b. c 968
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited20 Jun 2020
     Irmingard von Gilching was born circa 998. She married Frederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen, son of Frederich II von Diessen Graf von Diessen; his 2nd wife.2
     GAV-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 26b.1 Irmingard von Gilching was also known as Ermengarde of Gilching.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Irmingard von Gilching: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080018&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080015&tree=LEO
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Wittel 19 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wittel/wittel19.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uta von Diessen-Andechs: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00619346&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#BertholdAndechsDiessendied1151A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Dietrich I (?)1,2

M, #19871, d. between 1010 and 1020
FatherUnknown (?)3
Last Edited4 Jun 2020
     Dietrich I (?) died between 1010 and 1020.3
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band I, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Page 8.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "DIETRICH (-[1010/20] or after). Wegener refers to "comes Dietricus" named in a charter dated [1003/12][605]. "...Dietricus comes qui dedit Pfans..." witnessed the undated charter under which “comes...Arnoldus” donated property “in villa Taerzina” to Kloster Benediktbeuren dated [1015][606]. Wegener dates this document to [1015][607]. Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20], suggesting that the two may have been brothers[608]."
Med Lands cites:
[605] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 9, p. 4 n 4, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 149.
[606] Monumenta Boica, Vol. VII, p. 38.
[607] Wegener (1965/67), p. 149.
[608] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.3
Dietrich I (?) was also known as Dietrich I (?) Graf im Wasserburg.4

; Per Genealogy.EU (Liutpoldings): "F2. Dietrich, +1020."5
; NB: There is disagreement concerning the von Diessen family. This includes the parents of Berthold II. Genealogics and Genealogy.EU show one lineage. Med Lands shows a different descent, with material differences.
     A good description of the likely source of the confusion is found on Med Lands:
     "The following Graf Friedrich [II] is recorded in 1025 (as the father of Berthold [I]), in 1027 (twice, once as father of Otto [I]), and in 1030. He was therefore presumably a different person from Graf Friedrich [I], who is recorded as having died in Jerusalem before 1020. It is not known how the two Grafen Friedrich may have been related, if at all. However, the continuity of references to Diessen suggests a close connection, maybe father and son. Wegener conflates Graf Friedrich [I] and Graf Friedrich [II] as he appears to ignore the reference to the death of the former before 1020[609]. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses does not name a second Graf Friedrich, although this is not surprising considering that it appears to ignore the generations between Graf Friedrich [I] and Otto Graf von Wolfratshausen[610]. Generally, the reconstruction of the family of the Grafen von Diessen is hindered rather than helped by the speculative connections suggested by Wegener. An attempt has been made in the following passages to explain these speculations and highlight any contradictions with primary sources which he does not cite. Unfortunately, it appears that many of these misleading speculations have found their way into the tables in Europäische Stammtafeln in which they appear as definite. In the case of this family, therefore, it is more important than ever to use the "back to basics" approach and start again from scratch in compiling information from primary sources. Hopefully, the results are relatively accurate but it is admitted that it is particularly challenging to achieve a definitive reconstruction of this family and no doubt further improvements are possible."
     A. Genealogics relies on Europäische Stammtafeln and shows:
|-->A.1 Berthold I Graf an der Oberen Isar d/ ca 26 Aug 990
|------>A.1.1 Dietrich I, Graf im Wasserburg living 1003
|---------->A.1.1.1 Friedrich I, Graf von Diessen m. Kunizza von Oenningen d. 1020
|-------------->A.1.1.1.1 Berthold II, Graf von Diessen living 1025 m. NN
|------------------>A.1.1.1.1.1 Berthold III, Graf von Andechs living 1095 m. Gisela von Schwaben
|---------->A.1.1.1.2 Otto II, Graf von Diessen d. ca 24 Apr 1120 m. Justizia of Austria
|------>A.1.1.2 Friedrich II, Graf von Diessen d. 23 Jan 1075 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmingard von Gilching m3 Tuta von Regensburg
     B. Genealogy.EU (Diessen I) cites now sources and shows.
B.1 Berthold I, Pfalzgraf von Bayern. 978/26.8.990; m. N of Upper-Lorraine
|-->B.1.1 Dietrich, d. 1020
|-->B.1.2 Friedrich I Diessen d. 1030
|------>B.1.2.1 Berthold II von Diessen d. 1060; m. NN von Hohenwart
|---------->B.1.2.1.1 Berthold III, Gf von Diessen d. 27.6.1151 m1 Sophie of Istria; m2 Kunigunde von Formbach-Pütten
|------>B.1.2.2 Friedrich II, Gf von Diessen. 1055 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmengard von Gilching m3 NN von Regensburg
     C. Med Lands cites multiple sources and shows the following:
First of all, Med Lands says: "According to Wegener, Graf Friedrich [I] was the son of Berthold von Reisensburg, son of Arnulf Pfalzgraf in Bavaria [Luitpoldinger][596]. He bases this on a "Berthold" witnessing several exchanges of property in the oberen Isar dated [990/99], and equating him with Berthold von Reisensburg. Several points can be made about this theory. Firstly, it seems surprising that such an illustrious connection with the Luitpoldinger Dukes of Bavaria would not have been mentioned by the various contemporary sources which relate the early history of the Grafen von Diessen. Secondly, the estimated birth date of Berthold von Reisensburg is restricted to the limited period [929/31], bearing in mind the known dates of his own career and the likely birth date of his father. His last known mention is dated 976. Another burst of activity fourteen years after that date would be surprising when he would then have been in his sixties. Thirdly, judging from the 976 entry, Berthold von Reisensburg appears to have fallen into disgrace with Emperor Otto II. There is no record of his return to favour. It is likely therefore that he died soon after and that his descendants (if any) fell into obscurity. Fourthly, it is surprising that Berthold von Reisensburg would not have been described as comes even in entries relating to the period after his disgrace as he would presumably have continued to claim and use the title."

Med Lands thus severs the links between the A.1 and A.1.1 (Genealogics line above) and that between B.1 and both B.1.1 and B.1.2 (Genealogy.EU line above). Med Links shows no ancestors for either Friedrich I or Dietrich, but in fact hypothesizes that they might possibly have been brothers.
C.1. Friedrich [I] "Roch" ( d. Jerusalem before 1020) m. KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza],
C.2. Dietrich d. 1010/20 or after "Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20], suggesting that the two may have been brothers[608]." (Citing [608] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.)
C.3 Friedrich [II] (-1030 or after).
|-->C.3.1 Berthold [I] (d after 16 May 1060).
|-->C.3.2 Friedrich [III] d 30 Jun 1075)
|------>C.3.2.1 Arnold von Diessen (d. aft 1091) m. NN von Schweinfurt (not Gisela)
|---------->C..2.1.1 Berthold [III] (-27 Jun 1151) m1. Sophie of Istria m2. Kunigunde von Formbach

Conclusion: I find Med Lands' presentation most convincing and have now changed my data to reflect this. GA Vaut.3,6,7,8,5,9,10,11
; Med Lands hypopthesizes that Friedrich I and Dietrich might have been brothers, by and un-named father: "Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20], suggesting that the two may have been brothers[608]."
Med Lands cites: [608] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.3 He was living in 1003.4

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079990&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Wittel 19 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wittel/wittel19.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc524803051. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079990&tree=LEO
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luitpoldings: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/luitpold1.html#F2D
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331097&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079991&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033343&tree=LEO
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen1.html
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen2.html
  11. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 4 June 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Himma von Öhningen

F, #19872, b. circa 968
FatherKonrad/Cuno (?) Herzog von Schwaben, Graf von Oenningen1,2 b. 920
MotherRichlind/Reginlint (?) von Schwaben1,2 b. 950, d. 999
Last Edited1 Jul 2020
     Himma von Öhningen was born circa 968.

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44919
  2. [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."

Engelbert von Schwarzenburg Graf von Rötz und Schwarzenburg1

M, #19873, b. circa 1070
FatherBerthold I (?) Graf von Schwarzenberg b. c 1040, d. c 1090
MotherRichgard (?) von Sponheim2 b. c 1050, d. c 10 Apr 1130
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited10 May 2020
     Engelbert von Schwarzenburg Graf von Rötz und Schwarzenburg was born circa 1070.
     GAV-28.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Adolf I. von Saffenberg: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_I._von_Saffenberg. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richgard von Sponheim: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080242&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margareta von Schwarzenburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174423&tree=LEO

Berthold I (?) Graf von Schwarzenberg

M, #19874, b. circa 1040, d. circa 1090
FatherFrederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen1 d. 23 Jan 1075
MotherTuta von Regensburg2
Last Edited22 Oct 2020
     Berthold I (?) Graf von Schwarzenberg was born circa 1040. He married Richgard (?) von Sponheim, daughter of Engelbert I (?) Graf im Kraichgau, Graf von Sponheim and Hedwig/Hadwich (?) of Saxony; her 1st husband.3,4,5,6
Berthold I (?) Graf von Schwarzenberg died circa 1090.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080015&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN von Regensburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080019&tree=LEO
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Sponh 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/sponheim/sponh1.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richgard von Sponheim: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080242&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richgard von Sponheim: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080242&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#RichgardSponheimdied1130. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Mechtild (?)1

F, #19875, b. circa 1044, d. 4 November 1110
ReferenceGAV24 EDV25
Last Edited11 Oct 2020
     Mechtild (?) married Giso (II/III) von Gudensberg;
Her 1st husband.1,2 Mechtild (?) was born circa 1044. She married Adalbert von Saffenberg Graf von Saffenberg, Graf von Nörvenich, son of Herman IV (?) von Saffenberg, Vogt von Cornelismünster, Graf von Nörvenich and Gepa (?) von Werl, after 1073;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.3,1,4
Mechtild (?) died on 4 November 1110.5
Mechtild (?) died on 4 November 1110.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ADALBERT von Saffenberg (-16 Dec [1109/12]). Anno Archbishop of Köln divided the church of Neutz St. Qurin, founded by "Euerhardus comes Clivensis et matrona nobilis Berta comitissa uxor sua" between the church and the archbishopric by charter dated 27 Sep 1074, witnessed by "...Hermannus de Noruenich, Adelbertus de Saffenberch..."[742]. Sigewin Archbishop of Köln donated "parochiam...Emba...decimis" to Köln St. Pantaleon by charter dated 1081, witnessed by "Gerardus comes de Guliche, Adolfus comes de Noruenich et frater eius Adelbertus de Saphenberg"[743]. Sigewin Archbishop of Köln donated property to Köln St Georg by charter dated to [1079/89], witnessed by "…Adelbreth de Safenberc…"[744]. Sigewin Archbishop of Köln confirmed donations to Kloster Rees, where her parents were buried, made by "Irmengarda…comitissa" by charter dated to [1079/89], witnessed by "…Adelbrat comes, Adolph de Monte, Gerhart de Gulecho, De Saphenberch Adelbrecht, Hesse comes…"[745]. Hermann [III] Archbishop of Köln settled the dispute between Kloster Brauweiler and Köln St Maria by charter dated 1090, witnessed by "…Stephanus comes, Gerhardus de Hostade, Arnoldi prefectus urbis, Adelbertus de Safinberg, Adolfus de Monte, Adelbero de Duno…"[746]. Graf von Saffenberg. Hermann [III] Archbishop of Köln donated revenue to Köln St Cecilia by charter dated 1094, witnessed by "…Adelbreht comes de Safenberg, Gerhart comes de Guliche, Adelbreht comes de Noruenig, Gerhart de Hostathen, Ethelger de Heingebach, Megenhere de Randenrothe…"[747]. Friedrich [I] Archbishop of Köln donated "decimationem" in ten named places to “novo monasterio...in Eifla” by charter dated 1105, witnessed by “Theodericus comes de Ara ipsius loci advocatus, Adalbertus de Saphanberch, Herimannus de Mereheim, Gerehardus de Hostatha...”[748]. Friedrich [I] Archbishop of Köln incorporated the church of Rheinberg into Cunibertstifte by charter dated 15 Feb 1106, witnessed by "Herimannus comes et frater eius Arnoldus, Adelbertus comes, Gerhardus comes, Almerus advocatus…"[749]. The Annales Rodenses record that “Adelbertus...comes et filius cum eo Adolphus” donated property to Rode in 1108[750]. "Adelbertus comes de Saphenberge" donated "hereditate mea Herche", for the souls of "uxorem mearum", to the abbey of Munsterbilsen by charter dated 1109, witnessed by "Adolfo, Otberto, Ludolfo"[751]. Friedrich [I] Archbishop of Köln donated serfs to Köln St Severin, with the consent of "Francone urbis nostre prefecto", by charter dated 1109, witnessed by "Gerhardo comite de Gelre, Adelberto de Safenberg, Adelberto de Nervennich, Herimanno de Udenkircha, Gerhardo de Julicho, Gerhardo de Hoinstathe, Gerlacho de Isenburch et fratre sui Regenbaldo, Harperno de Randenrothe…"[752]. The Annales Rodenses record the death “XVII Kal Jan” of “Adelbertus comes de Saphenberch”, in the section dealing with events in 1110[753].
     "m firstly ---. The name of Adalbert’s first wife is not known. This first marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1109 under which "Adelbertus comes de Saphenberge" donated "hereditate mea Herche", for the souls of "uxorem mearum", to the abbey of Munsterbilsen[754].
     "m secondly as her second husband, MATHILDE, daughter of --- (-4 Dec ----, bur near Wettrech). The Annales Rodenses record the death “XVII Kal Jan” of “Adelbertus comes de Saphenberch” and “II Non Dec...apud Hollendin ultra Renum, ubi propria eius sedes erat ex priore...marito” (which confirms her first marriage) of “Mathildis...conjunx illius”, as well as her burial “juxta apud Wettrech in monasterio sanctimonialium”[755]."
Med Lands cites:
[742] Kremer (1776), Band II, VIII, p. 203.
[743] Kremer (1776), Band II, IX, p. 207.
[744] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 241, p. 155.
[745] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 242, p. 155.
[746] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 244, p. 157.
[747] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 249, p. 161.
[748] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band IV, 613, p. 766.
[749] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 268, p. 173.
[750] Ernst, S. P. (1852) Histoire de Limbourg, Tome VII (Liège), Annales Rodenses, p. 13.
[751] Ernst (1847), Tome VI, XXXIII, p. 119.
[752] Köln St Severin, 5, p. 8.
[753] Annales Rodenses, p. 17.
[754] Ernst (1847), Tome VI, XXXIII, p. 119.
[755] Annales Rodenses, p. 17.4


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 2.1 GAV-24 EDV-25.

Family 1

Giso (II/III) von Gudensberg
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mechtild: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120764&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giso von Gudensberg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00570227&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert von Saffenberg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120763&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA%20(LOWER%20RHINE).htm#_Toc43014119. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mechtild: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120764&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adolf von Saffenberg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174422&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Cleves 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/cleves/cleves3.html
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde von Saffenberg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050083&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA%20(LOWER%20RHINE).htm#MathildeSaffenbergdied1145

Adalbert von Werl Graf von Werl1

M, #19876, b. circa 984
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited22 Aug 2020
     Adalbert von Werl Graf von Werl was born circa 984.
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 2.2 GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120767&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120767&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gepa von Werl: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120766&tree=LEO

Adolf II (?) Graf von Keldachgau, Vogt of Deutz1,2,3

M, #19877, b. 1002, d. after 1041
FatherAdolf I (?) Graf von Keldachgau, Vogt of Deutz1,2,4
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited9 May 2020
     Adolf II (?) Graf von Keldachgau, Vogt of Deutz was born in 1002.3
Adolf II (?) Graf von Keldachgau, Vogt of Deutz died after 1041.1
     GAV-26.

; Genealogics only lists one son for Adolf II, Hermann IV. Wikipedia lists two sons, Hermann IV and Adolf I of Berg.5,3

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Adolf II of Lotharingia (1002–1041) was count in Keldachgau and Vogt of Deutz, and was the son of Adolf I of Lotharingia, count in Keldachgau, Vogt of Deutz. He left two sons:
** Adolf I of Berg (b. before 1041, died 1086), count of Berg from 1077 until 1082, Vogt of Werden, Deutz, Berg and Gerresheim;
** Hermann IV (de)(b. before 1041, died 1091), count of Saffenberg and Nörvenich, Vogt of Cornelimünster und St. Martin in Cologne.
     "His ancestor Herman II lord of Saffenberg is supposedly the son of Herman I of Lothringen and his brother is Steffan Saffenberg (abbot of Prüm 993-1001).
References
** Lewald, Ursula, 'Die Ezzonen. Das Schicksal eines rheinischen Fürstengeschlechts', Rheinische Vierteljahrsblätter 43 (1979) pp. 120-168."3

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 2.5 He was living in 1041.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Cleves 2 page (The Ezzon Family - Die Ezzonen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/cleves/cleves2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adolf II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120768&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_II_of_Lotharingia. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adolf I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120769&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adolf II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120768&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adolf I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141006&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann IV von Saffenberg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120765&tree=LEO

Adolf I (?) Graf von Keldachgau, Vogt of Deutz1,2

M, #19878
FatherHerman 'Pusillus/The Small' (?) Count im Auelgau, Bonngau, und Keldachau, Count Palatine of Lower-Lorraine1 b. c 925, d. 16 Jul 996
MotherDietbirg (?) of Swabia1
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited15 Jan 2020
     ; Per Wikipedia:
     "Adolf I of Lotharingia, count of Keldachgau, Vogt of Deutz from 1008 until 1018, was the son of Hermann I "Pusillus" (the Little Pfalzgraf), count palatine of Lotharingia. He left three sons:
** Hermann III, Vogt of Deutz in St. Severin (Cologne) und Werden (died 1056);
** Adolf II of Lotharingia, count of Keldachgau, Vogt of Deutz (born 1002, died 1041);
** Erenfried, Probst of St. Severin.

Further reading
** Lewald, Ursula, 'Die Ezzonen. Das Schicksal eines rheinischen Fürstengeschlechts', Rheinische Vierteljahrsblätter 43 (1979) S.120-168
** Gerstner, Ruth, 'Die Geschichte der lothringischen Pfalzgrafschaft (von den Anfängen bis zur Ausbildung des Kurterritoriums Pfalz)', Rheinisches Archiv 40 (Bonn 1941)
** Kimpen, E., ‘Ezzonen und Hezeliniden in der rheinischen Pfalzgrafschaft’, Mitteilungen des Österreichischen Instituts für Geschichtsforschung. XII. Erg.-Band. (Innsbruck 1933) S.1-91.
** Steinbach, F., ‘Die Ezzonen. Ein Versuch territorialpolitischen Zusammenschlusses der fränkischen Rheinlande’, Collectanea Franz Steinbach. Aufsätze und Abhandlungen zur Verfassungs-, Sozial- und Wirtschaftsgeschichte, geschichtlichen Landeskunde und Kulturraumforschung, ed. F. Petri en G. Droege (Bonn 1967) S.64-81."3

; Per Genealogy.EU:
     D5. [2m.] Adolf, Vogt von Deutz
     E1. Gf Hermann III
     E2. Adolf, fl 1041.4


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 2.5 GAV-27.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Cleves 2 page (The Ezzon Family - Die Ezzonen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/cleves/cleves2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adolf I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120769&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_I_of_Lotharingia. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Cleves 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/cleves/cleves2.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adolf I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120769&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adolf II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120768&tree=LEO

Adela (?) of Carinthia

F, #19879, b. circa 950, d. after 1025
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited19 Oct 2020
     Adela (?) of Carinthia married Aribo I (?) Pfalzgraf von Bayern, son of Chadalhoh (?) Graf im Isengau;
Her 1st (?) husband.1 Adela (?) of Carinthia married Engelbert III (?) Graf im Chiemgau, son of Sieghard V (?) Graf im Chiemgau and Willa de Bayern;
Her 2nd husband.2,3 Adela (?) of Carinthia was born circa 950.
Adela (?) of Carinthia died on 7 September 1020.1
Adela (?) of Carinthia died after 1025.
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELA (-7 Sep after 1020). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The necrology of Seeon records the death "VII Id Sep" of "Adala com ux Aribonis" and her donation[753]. According to Wegener[754], she married secondly Graf Engelbert [III]. However, the Seeon necrology entry appears to exclude the possibility that this second marriage is correct.
     "m [firstly] ARIBO [I] Pfalzgraf von Bayern, son of Graf CHADALHOH & his wife --- (-13 Feb 1000).
     "[m secondly ENGELBERT [III] Graf im Chiemgau, son of SIEGHARD [V] Graf im Chiemgau [Sieghardinger] & his wife Willa --- (-1020).]"
Med Lands cites:
[753] Necrologium Seonense, Salzburg Necrologies, p. 217.
[754] Wegener (1965/67), p. 91.1
GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30. Adela (?) of Carinthia was also known as Adela (?)1

; Per Med Lands:
     "ARIBO [I], son of [CHADALHOH Graf im Isengau & his wife ---] (-13 Feb 1000, bur Seeon). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. It is assumed that it is no more than speculation, based on transmission of the name Chadalhoh to his son. Pfalzgraf von Bayern 985. He founded Seeon in 974 and Göss in 999. "Otto…Romanorum imperator augustus" granted privileges to Kloster Seeon founded by "Arbonis comitis" by charter dated 15 Apr 999[772]. The necrology of Seeon records the death "XVI Kal Mar" of "Aribo palatinus fundator hic iacet"[773].
     "m as her first husband, ADELA, daughter of HARTWIG [I] Pfalzgraf von Bayern & his wife --- (-7 Sep after 1020). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The necrology of Seeon records the death "VII Id Sep" of "Adala com ux Aribonis" and her donation[774]. According to Wegener[775], she married secondly Engelbert [III] Graf im Chiemgau [Sieghardinger]. However, the Seeon necrology entry appears to exclude the possibility that this second marriage is correct."
Med Lands cites:
[772] D O III 318, p. 744.
[773] Necrologium Seonense, Salzburg Necrologies, p. 217.
[774] Necrologium Seonense, Salzburg Necrologies, p. 217.
[775] Wegener (1965/67), p. 91.3

Family 2

Aribo I (?) Pfalzgraf von Bayern d. 13 Feb 1000
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIA.htm#Adeladiedafter1020MAriboIPfalzgraf. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#EngelbertChiemgaudied1020B
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIA.htm#AriboIPfalzgrafdied1000
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#TwoSieghard

Engelbert III (?) Graf im Chiemgau1

M, #19880, d. 9 June 1020
FatherSieghard V (?) Graf im Chiemgau2 d. 26 Sep 980
MotherWilla de Bayern b. c 935, d. a 970
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited30 Apr 2020
     Engelbert III (?) Graf im Chiemgau married Adela (?) of Carinthia;
Her 2nd husband.1,3
Engelbert III (?) Graf im Chiemgau died on 9 June 1020; Killed.1
     GAV-29 EDV-30.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ENGELBERT [III], son of SIEGHARD [V] Graf im Chiemgau & his [second] wife Willa --- (-killed 9 Jun 1020). Wegener cites a donation by Willa, with the consent of her husband Graf Sieghard, to Salzburg which names her sons Engilpreht and Piligrim[446]. Graf im Chiemgau. The necrology of Salzburg St Rudpert records the death "V Id Jun" of "Engelbertus com occisus est"[447]. The necrology of Seeon records the death "V Id Jun" of "Engelbertus com"[448].
     "m ADELA, daughter of ---(-1 Jan ----). Wegener cites a donation to Salzburg St Peter by Adela for the soul of her husband Engelbert which also names her son Sieghard[449]. The necrology of Salzburg St Rudpert records the death "Kal Jan" of "Adala com"[450]. According to Wegener[451], she was Adela, widow of Aribo [I] Pfalzgraf von Bayern, daughter of Hartwig [I] Pfalzgraf von Bayern & his wife ---. However, the necrology of Seeon records the death "VII Id Sep" of "Adala com ux Aribonis" and her donation[452], which appears to exclude the possibility that this proposed origin of Adela is correct.
     "Graf Engelbert [III] & his wife had [four] children."
Med Lands cites:
[446] UB 1, no. 14, p. 178, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 90.
[447] Monumenta Necrologica S Rudperti Salisburgensis, Salzburg Necrologies, p. 91.
[448] Necrologium Seonense, Salzburg Necrologies, p. 207.
[449] Salzb. UB 1, no. 43, p. 274, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 91.
[450] Monumenta Necrologica S Rudperti Salisburgensis, Salzburg Necrologies, p. 91.
[451] Wegener (1965/67), p. 91.
[452] Necrologium Seonense, Salzburg Necrologies, p. 217.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#EngelbertChiemgaudied1020B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#SieghardIVChiemgaudied980
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIA.htm#AriboIPfalzgrafdied1000
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#TwoSieghard

Engelbert III-IV (?) Count in the Pusterthal, Count im Inn- und Nordtal1

M, #19881, b. circa 980, d. 1039
FatherEngelbert III (?) Graf im Chiemgau2 d. 9 Jun 1020
MotherAdela (?) of Carinthia2 b. c 950, d. a 1025
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited10 Feb 2020
     Engelbert III-IV (?) Count in the Pusterthal, Count im Inn- und Nordtal was born circa 980. He married Luitgard (?) of Istria, daughter of Werigand (Wezzelin) (?) Count of Istra and Friuli and Wilibirg (?) of Ebersberg, circa 1030.1
Engelbert III-IV (?) Count in the Pusterthal, Count im Inn- und Nordtal died in 1039.
     GAV-29 EDV-29.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 118.3

Family

Luitgard (?) of Istria b. c 980, d. a 1051
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080245&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#EngelbertChiemgaudied1020B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080245&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richgard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080244&tree=LEO
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Sponheim 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/sponheim/sponh1.html

Margaret de Abernethy1

F, #19882, d. after 1370
FatherSir Alexander de Abernethy of that Ilk2,1,3 b. 1271, d. bt 1315 - 1317
MotherLady Margaret? de Menteith3
ReferenceGAV22
Last Edited19 Aug 2019
     Margaret de Abernethy married Richard de Mowbray; her 1st husband.1 Margaret de Abernethy married Sir John Stewart 1st Earl of Angus, laird of Bonkil, son of Sir Alexander Stewart of Bonkyl, lord of Dreghorn, 4th Great Steward of Scotland and (?) Randolph, after 24 October 1328; her 2nd husband. Papal dispensation, 24 Oct 1328.2,3
Margaret de Abernethy died after 1370.2
     Margaret de Abernethy was also known as Margaret Macduff Lady of Abernethy.2 GAV-22.

Family 1

Richard de Mowbray

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Fraser Lords Saltoun Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page.
  3. [S2135] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007: "Re: The Bonkil (or de Bonkil) family, ancestors of Stewart of Darnley"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 31 Jan 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007."

Sir Alexander de Abernethy of that Ilk1,2

M, #19883, b. 1271, d. between 1315 and 1317
FatherSir Hugh de Abernethy of that Ilk2,3 d. bt 1291 - 1293
MotherMary mac Dougall Queen of the Isle of Man2,3 d. b Jan 1304
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited26 Aug 2019
     Sir Alexander de Abernethy of that Ilk married Lady Margaret? de Menteith, daughter of Alexander Fitz Walter 6th Earl of Menteith and Matilda/Maud (?) of Strathearn; Per Ravilious: In December 2003, I had conjectured that the wife of Sir Alexander de Abernethy (d. ca. 1316) was an otherwise unidentified daughter of Alexander, Earl of Menteith (d. ca. 1306) [1]. This was based largely on the evidence of various 14th century dispensations.

In speaking with Andrew B. W. MacEwen this evening, he has advised me that he has found conclusive evidence that the lady in question was in fact a daughter of Earl Alexander of Menteith. He further stated that her identification as ' Lady Margaret de Abrenythy ', a lady of the court of Queen Isabella of England in 1311/1312 [2], is important, and most likely correct.

The evidence Andrew mentioned will be cited in a forthcoming article, and cannot be divulged at this time for that reason. However, he did extend permission to mention the existence of this evidence to the newsgroup so that this identification can be noted as correct.

A brief ahnentafel of the ancestry of Mary de Abernethy, one of the daughters and coheirs of Sir Alexander, will be provided in a followup post.

NOTES:

[1] J. Ravilious, , SGM, 5 December 2003:

[2] See J. Ravilious, , SGM, 24 August 2006.4 Sir Alexander de Abernethy of that Ilk was born in 1271.5
Sir Alexander de Abernethy of that Ilk died between 1315 and 1317.1,5
     ; per Ravilious: Sir Alexander de Abernethy.
Born aft 1271.[7]
died ca 1316.

Lord of Abernethy

Genealogics #I00006284[2]

succeeded his father as a minor, 1292 (Alexander de Menteith appointed
guardian of the lands of Alexander de Abernethy by King John (Baliol),
1292 [Red Book of Menteith I:79[7], citing Acts of Parliaments of
Scotland i:447]

record of his heraldic seal:
' Alexander de Abernethi.
15,763. [A.D. 1292.] Sulph. cast from a good impression. 15/16 in.
[xlvii. 1090.]
An eagle displayed, charged on the breast with a shield of arms:
a lion rampant, debruised by a ribbon.
S : Alexandri : de : Abernethi .
Beaded borders. ' [Cat. Seals, p. 274, no. 15,763[9], cites
Laing's Catal., No. 80. ]

Warden of Scotland between Forth and the Mounth, Michaelmas 1293
(Barrow p. 226)[10]

'Alifaundre de Abrenethy', swore allegiance to King Edward I at
Berwick, 1296 [Ragman Roll[11] ]

' Alexander de abirnithin dominus de eadem ' , granted charter to
Coupar priory (dated ca. 1297-1304, witnessed by his uncle Malcolm
de Ergadia, John de Moravia and others) granting his land of
Kincrech in the barony of Lour, Inverarity parish (Angus) but
excluding his park of Inverarichte (Inverarity)
[Coupar I:143-5, No. LXV[12]]

' Alexandro de Abernethy [knight]', witness to charter of Sir John
de Kinross granting to his cousin Sir Walter de Lindsay of Thuriston
his lands of Littleperth, and others, dated at Perth, 1300
[Coupar I:149-150, No. LXVII[12]]

' sir Alisaundre de Habernithyn ', in opposition to King Edward
together with John Comyn, Earl of Buchan, John de Soules, Sir Simon
Fraser and Sir Herbert de Morham, Sept 1301 [letter of the keeper
of Lochmaben Castle to Edward I of England - Stevenson II:431[13],
cites original letter, Public Record Office]

came into the peace of King Edward of England, Oct 1303 or before
[order of King Edward I to John de Bretagne, dated at Westminster 16 Oct 1305, to repay the expenses of ' our dear and faithful Alexander de Abernethy ' - "dilectus et fidelis noster Alexander de Abernythy"] incurred since 29 Oct 1303 [Stevenson II:490[13],
cites Close Rolls 33 Edw. I, no. 4]

' monsieur Alexander d'Abernythy ', dispatched by Edward, Prince of
Wales ' with forty men-at-arms, into the parts of Strathearn and
Menteith, and towards Drypp', to complete the guard which is
appointed there in those parts ', before 2 Mar 1303/4 [letter of
King Edward I to the Prince of Wales, dated at Inverkeithing, 2
Mar 1303/4 - Stevenson II:166-7, no. 631[13], cites original in PRO]

C 47/22/7/7
Writ of privy seal from Edward I in St Andrews to Alexander de
Abernithi, guardian of Scotland between the mountains and the
sea, to release the lands of Alexander de Balliol of Cavers,
1304 Mar 21 [National Archives, Records created, acquired, and
inherited by Chancery, and also of the Wardrobe, Royal Household,
Exchequer and various commissions[14] ]

order of King Edward I to John de Bretagne, dated at Westminster
16 Oct 1305, to repay the expenses of ' our dear and faithful
Alexander de Abernethy ' ["dilectus et fidelis noster Alexander de Abernythy"] incurred since 29 Oct 1303 [Stevenson II:490[13],
cites Close Rolls 33 Edw. I, no. 4]

supporter of King Edward I of England in his claims over Scotland:
petitioner for the lands of William Murray, Alan Murray and of
Robert the Bruce (lands north of the Forth) declared forfeit by
Edward I, 1306 [Barrow, p. 447[10]]

sought pardon for Alan de Clavering, granted by King Edward I at
Wolvesey, 27 April 1306:
' Pardon, at the instance of Patrick de Dunbar, earl of March,
Ingram de Umframvill, John de Moubray and Alexander de Abernithi,
to Alan de Clavering, in consideration of the service of Robert
son of Roger, for the death of Roger de Clavering his brother.
By p.s. ' [CPR 34 Edw. I, mem. 26, p. 430[15]]

' Dominis Alexandro de Abirnethyn ', witness (together with Sir
John de Inchmartin, Sir Thomas de Hay and others) to a charter
of Sir Gilbert de Hay of Errol of the advowson of the church of
Fossoway to Coupar priory, dated 1305x1309 [Coupar I:184-5,
No. LXXXV[12]]

' [Lord] alexandro de Abirnethy [knight]', witness (together
with David, Earl of Athol, Sir William de Montfichet, Roger de
Mortimer and others) to a charter of Michael de Miggil granting
free passage through his lands to Coupar priory,
dated 1306x1317 - but most likely between 1307 and 1312
[Coupar I:190-191, No. LXXXVIII[12]]

" 1310, 28 Mar. To John de Crumbwell, constable of the Tower
of London. Order to release Alexander, son of Alexander de Balliolo,
lord of Caures, from prison there, as his father , and Alexander
Abernithy, Philip de Lyndeseye and John de Lyndeseye have mainperned
before the King under penalty of their lives and limbs, lands,
etc., that he will be faithful to the King for his lifetime, as
contained in their letters patent in the King's wardrobe. "
[Linzee pp. 294-5, cites Close Rolls][16]

held the town of Dundee for King Edward II of England,
23 June 1311 - 31 July 1312:
' 283. Sir Alexander de Abernethy a prest by the hands of the
collectors of customs at Newcastle-on-Tyne, to account of his
fee for keeping the town of Dundee between the vigil of St. John
Baptist (23rd June) 1311, and the vigil of St. Peter ad vincula
5th year (31st July) following, 186l. [Bain III:56[17], cites
fol. 51b., Exchequer, Q. R. Miscellanea (Wardrobe), No. 20/4]

' lady Margaret de Abrenythy ', evidently his wife, lady of the
court of Isabella of France, Queen of England, 1311/12[18]

he was on an embassy to the Pope for King Edward II, accredited by
letter dated 6 August 1312:
' 284. The K. accredits to the Pope his (the Pope's) nephew Bertrand
de Salviaco count of Campania, Sir Alexander de Abernythy knight,
and Master Walter de Maydenstane, on some arduous matters specially
touching himself and his honour, which they will expound to his
Holiness viva voce. Dover. ' [Bain III:56[17], cites French
and Roman Roll, 4-10 Edw. II. m. 19., in Foedera II:175]

record of a grant to Sir John de Wemyss, confirmed in a charter
of King Robert III, dated 16 Oct 1392:
No. 53 - confirmation to John de Weemes, knight, of certain lands;
' and also the lands of Kyncaldrum, whilks Alexander de Abernethy
conveyed to John de Wemys, Knight, grandfather of the said
John... ' [Robertson's Index, p. 158, no. 53[19]; text in
Fraser, Wemyss II:29, no. 21[20]]

Sir Alexander married NN de Menteith.

; Alexander de Abernethy; d between 1315 and 1317, leaving two daus.1 Sir Alexander de Abernethy of that Ilk was also known as Sir Alexander Macduff of Abernethy.6,1

; one of the chieftains of the Clan Macduff, whose family has a special eminence as heirs of the former heriditary Abbots of Abernethy.6 GAV-23.

Family

Lady Margaret? de Menteith
Children

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Fraser Lords Saltoun Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S2022] Stirnet Genealogy, online http://www.stirnet.com/, Abernethy 01 (Families covered: Abernethy of Abernethy, Abernethy of Pitgrunzie, Abernethy of Saltoun):
    http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/aa/abernethy1.htm. Hereinafter cited as Stirnet Genealogy.
  3. [S2110] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 Nov 2006: "Re: SP Addition: ___ de Menteith, wife of Sir Alexander de Abernethy"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Nov 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 Nov 2006."
  4. [S2109] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 Nov 2006: "SP Addition: ___ de Menteith, wife of Sir Alexander de Abernethy"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Nov 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 Nov 2006."
  5. [S2135] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007: "Re: The Bonkil (or de Bonkil) family, ancestors of Stewart of Darnley"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 31 Jan 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007."
  6. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page.
  7. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Crawford Earls of Crawford & Balcarres Family Page.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary Abernethy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116895&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Thomas Stewart 2nd Earl of Angus, Lord of Abernety1

M, #19884, d. 1361
FatherSir John Stewart 1st Earl of Angus, laird of Bonkil1,2 d. 9 Dec 1331
MotherMargaret de Abernethy1 d. a 1370
ReferenceGAV21
Last Edited26 Aug 2019
     Thomas Stewart 2nd Earl of Angus, Lord of Abernety married Margaret Sinclair of Roslyn, daughter of William Sinclair Heir of Rosslyn, circa 1353; Papal dispensation, 3 June 1353.3
Thomas Stewart 2nd Earl of Angus, Lord of Abernety died in 1361 at Dunbarton Castle, Scotland.1
     He was Lord of Abernethy.1

; Thomas, 2nd Earl of Angus, Ld of Abernethy, captured Berwick, 1355, was Great Chamberlain of Scotland, 1357-8, was imprisoned for alleged complicity in the murder of KING DAVID II's mistress, Catherine Mortimer, and d of the plague while captive in Dunbarton Castle, 1361. He m (Papal dispensation, 3 June 1353) Margaret (who m 2nd, Sir John de St Clair of Herdmanston (see SINCLAIR, L.)), dau of Sir William de St Clair or Sinclair of Rosslyn (who was slain with the Douglas carrying BRUCE'S heart on Crusade against the Saracens in Spain), and by her left issue.1 He was 2nd Earl of Angus.1 GAV-21.

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S2135] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007: "Re: The Bonkil (or de Bonkil) family, ancestors of Stewart of Darnley"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 31 Jan 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Sinclair (St.Clair), of Roslyn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006286&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Rabold (?) Count in Amper

M, #19885, b. circa 830
ReferenceGAV34 EDV34
Last Edited13 Feb 2003
     Rabold (?) Count in Amper was born circa 830.
     GAV-34 EDV-34.

Family

Child

Sieghard I von Ebersberg Count in Kraichgau1

M, #19886, b. circa 820, d. after 861
ReferenceGAV34
Last Edited20 Feb 2020
     Sieghard I von Ebersberg Count in Kraichgau married Unknown (?), daughter of Unknown (?).1 Sieghard I von Ebersberg Count in Kraichgau was born circa 820.
Sieghard I von Ebersberg Count in Kraichgau died after 861.1
     GAV-34 EDV-34.

; Per Med Lands:
     "SIEGHARD [I], son of --- (-861 or after). A charter dated 5 Jan 848 records an exchange of property "in pago Chochinguue et in Mulehgouue" between Hatto Abbot of Fulda and "Sigehardus comes", subscribed by "Gerharti comitis, Sigifridi comitis"[676]. Ludwig II "der Deutsche" King of the East Franks donated property which "comes Sigihardus comes in villa Heitungesfelden in beneficium nobis habuit" to Kloster Fulda by charter dated 12 Feb [849?][677]. The geographical distance of Fulda from Kraichgau suggests that these two documents may not refer to the same person as the other diplomas cited below. Graf im Kraichgau 858: King Ludwig II "der Deutsche" granted property "in pago Lobodengouue in comitatu Werinherii in villa…Walestat" to Tuto in exchange for property "in comitatu Sighardi in pago…Creichgouue in villa Vhratesheim" by charter dated 7 Dec 858[678]. An agreement between Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks and his brother King Ludwig II dated Jun 860 names "nobilis ac fidelibus laicis…Chuonradus, Evrardus, Adalardus, Arnustus, Warnarius, Liutfridus, Hruodolfus, Erkingarius, Gislebertus, Ratbodus, Arnulfus, Hugo, item Chuonradus, Liutharius, Berengarius, Matfridus, Boso, Sigeri, Hartmannus, Liuthardus, Richuinus, Wigricus, Hunfridus, Bernoldus, Hatto, Adalbertus, Burchardus, Christianus, Leutulfus, Hessi, Herimannus, item Hruodulfus, Sigehardus"[679].
     "m [---, sister of LIUTSWINDIS, daughter of ---. This possible marriage is shown to explain why Sieghard's son, Sieghard, is referred to consistently in primary sources as consanguineus of Emperor Arnulf I, on the basis that the most likely connection is through the family of the emperor's mother Liutswindis.]"
Med Lands cites:
[676] Württembergisches Urkundenbuch I, 115, p. 134.
[677] D LD 53, p. 71.
[678] D LD 94, p. 135.
[679] Adnuntatio domni Karoli, MGH MGH LL, Tome 1, p. 469.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#Siegharddied861. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#RatoldEbersbergdied919A

Sieghard V (?) Graf im Chiemgau1

M, #19887, d. 26 September 980
FatherSieghard IV (?) Graf im Chiemgau d. c 959
ReferenceGAV31 EDV31
Last Edited10 Feb 2020
     Sieghard V (?) Graf im Chiemgau married Willa de Bayern, daughter of Bernard (?) of Bayern and Engilrat (?);
His 2nd wife.1 Sieghard V (?) Graf im Chiemgau married Unknown (?);
His 1st wife.1
Sieghard V (?) Graf im Chiemgau died on 26 September 980.1
     GAV-31 EDV-31 GKJ-31.

; Per Med Lands:
     "SIEGHARD [V] (-26 Sep [980]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Graf im Chiemgau. The necrology of the Lower Monastery at Regensburg records the death "VI Kal Oct" of "Sigehart com"[428], although it is not known for certain to which of the several Grafen Sieghard this entry refers.
     "[m firstly ---. Wegener comments that Willa, wife of Sieghard [IV], names her sons Engelbert [II], Pilgrim and Nordbert [II] in her charters. This suggests that she was not the mother of Sieghard [VI] and Friederich who must have been born from an earlier marriage[429].]
     "m [secondly] WILLA, daughter of BERNHARD [Aribonen] & his wife Engilrat ---. 965/[970]. Wegener cites a donation by Willa, with the consent of her husband Graf Sieghard, to Salzburg which names her sons Engilpreht and Piligrim[430]. Wegener cites a source which confirms her parentage[431]."
Med Lands cites:
[428] Notæ Necrologicæ Monasterii Inferioris Ratisbonensis, Regensburg Necrologies, p. 289.
[429] Wegener (1965/67), p. 91.
[430] UB 1, no. 14, p. 178, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 90.
[431] Salzb. UB 1, 102 f n 41, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 91.1

Family 1

Unknown (?)
Child

Family 2

Willa de Bayern b. c 935, d. a 970
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#SieghardIVChiemgaudied980. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Willa de Bayern

F, #19888, b. circa 935, d. after 970
FatherBernard (?) of Bayern b. c 900
MotherEngilrat (?) b. c 900
ReferenceGAV31 EDV31
Last Edited10 Feb 2020
     Willa de Bayern married Sieghard V (?) Graf im Chiemgau, son of Sieghard IV (?) Graf im Chiemgau;
His 2nd wife.1 Willa de Bayern was born circa 935.
Willa de Bayern died after 970.
     GAV-31 EDV-31.

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#SieghardIVChiemgaudied980. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Bernard (?) of Bayern

M, #19889, b. circa 900
FatherOdalbert (?) of Salzburg b. c 870, d. 14 Nov 935
MotherRihni (?) of Hungary b. c 870, d. a 927
ReferenceGAV32 EDV32
Last Edited4 May 2003
     Bernard (?) of Bayern was born circa 900. He married Engilrat (?) in 931.
     GAV-32 EDV-32 GKJ-32.

Family

Engilrat (?) b. c 900
Child

Engilrat (?)

F, #19890, b. circa 900
ReferenceGAV32 EDV32
Last Edited12 Feb 2003
     Engilrat (?) was born circa 900. She married Bernard (?) of Bayern, son of Odalbert (?) of Salzburg and Rihni (?) of Hungary, in 931.
     GAV-32 EDV-32.

Family

Bernard (?) of Bayern b. c 900
Child