Gossuin II de Mons1,2

M, #61771, d. before 1126
FatherGossuin I de Mons1,4,2 d. c 1088
MotherErmengarde de Chaumont1,3,2
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited8 Oct 2020
     Gossuin II de Mons married Ida van Ath, daughter of Gauthier d'Ath Seigneur d'Ath and Ada de Roucy-Ramerupt;
Her 1st husband.5,6,1,2
Gossuin II de Mons died before 1126; Genealogics says d. bef 1126; Med Lands says d. 1125/26.1,2
     GAV-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XVIII 116.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "GOSSUIN [II] de Mons (-[1125/26]). Gérard Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the foundation of Aymeries priory by "Ermengardis de Mons...cum filiis suis...et filia" by charter dated 1088, subscribed by “...Gosuini de Montibus et Isembardi filiorum Ermengardis”[1565]. "Gossewinus de Monte Castriloco" confirmed donations made by “mater mea...Ermengardis” to Aymeries priory, with the consent of “fratris mei Isembaldi”, by charter dated to [1100][1566]. "Gossuini de Montibus, Gossuini de Avesnis, Widonis de Cervia, Hugonis de Lens" subscribed the charter dated 1117 under which Baudouin III Comte de Hainaut donated property to the monastery of Saint-Denis[1567]. “Gotsuinus de Montibus” donated property to “quemdam bone memorie virum Aybertum nomine Reclusum”, with the consent of “conjuge mea Ida et filiis nostris Ysaac...”, by charter dated 1122[1568]. The wording of the 1125 charter of his wife, quoted below, suggests that Gossuin was alive at that date, but his absence from the 1126 charter suggests that he was deceased at the time.
     "m IDA, daughter of --- (-[1126/35]). “Gotsuinus de Montibus” donated property to “quemdam bone memorie virum Aybertum nomine Reclusum”, with the consent of “conjuge mea Ida et filiis nostris Ysaac...”, by charter dated 1122[1569]. A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[1570]. Reiffenberg records that “Ide” returned serfs to Ghislenghien, in the presence of “ses fils Gossuin et Isaac et d’Isembert leur oncle”, by charter dated 1126[1571]. “Isaac” donated serfs to Ghislenghien, for the souls of “mon père Gossuin de Mons et...de ma mère Ide”, with the consent of “mes frères Nicolas et Gossuin et ma sœur Ermengarde avec son mari Gautier”, by charter dated 1135[1572]. She is named in the charter dated 1143 under which Nicolas de Mons Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien abbey founded by “genetricis nostræ Idæ”, including the donation of “tertiam partem...in Gisbecca” donated by “Gascuinus frater noster de Mons” for the soul of “matris nostræ Idæ” and “aliam partem in eadem villa Gisbecca” donated by “Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii"[1573]."
Med Lands cites:
[1565] Foppens & Miraeus (1734), Tome III, XXV, p. 307.
[1566] Duvivier (1898), p. 297.
[1567] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, LXIV, p. 677.
[1568] Compte Rendu des séances de la Commission Royale d’Histoire ou Recueil de ses Bulletins, 4ème série, Tome 10 (Brussels, 1882), Analectes et diplomatique, 3ème série, p. 22.
[1569] Compte Rendu Commission Royale, 4ème série, Tome 10 (1882), Analectes et diplomatique, 3ème série, p. 22.
[1570] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.
[1571] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, pp. 361-2, no citation reference for the charter.
[1572] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, p. 361 (French translation of the charter, no citation reference for the original).
[1573] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.2


; Per Med Lands:
     "The existence of two different noblewomen named Ida, one married to Gossuin [II] de Mons, the other to Guy de Chièvres, is confirmed by the 1125 charter quoted below. Roland, in his study of the seigneurs de Florennes/Rumigny, had suggested that they were the same person[557]. The suggestion proved controversial, the debate revolving around two charters dated 1143 and 1161 which name the founder of the abbey of Ghislenghien: Nicolas de Mons Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien founded by “genetricis nostræ Idæ”, including the donation of “tertiam partem...in Gisbecca” donated by “Gascuinus frater noster de Mons” for the soul of “matris nostræ Idæ” and “aliam partem in eadem villa Gisbecca” donated by “Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii", by charter dated 1143[558], and “Domina Eva de Cirvia que dicitur Domisons” [the same person named in the 1143 charter] donated “medietatem ville...Erbisul” to Ghislenghien by charter dated 1161[559]. The 1143 document also clarifies that Gossuin [III] de Mons and Eva de Chièvres jointly owned “villa Gisbecca” which, if Roland’s hypothesis is correct, would have been inherited from their mother. A rather garbled variation of the hypothesis had been indicated in the early 17th century by Gazet who said that Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai was “issu de la noble famille de Widon seigneur de Chieures et de madame Ide”[560]. The chronology would be tight for Nicolas to have been born from his mother’s supposed second marriage. The question is settled by the 1125 charter.
     "The parentage of the two persons named Ida is also controversial. The Marquis de Trazegnies suggests that they were half-sisters, daughters of Ada de Ramerupt, the wife of Gossuin de Mons being her daughter by her first husband while Guy de Chièvres’s wife was her daughter by Gauthier d’Ath[561]. This suggestion appears possible chronologically, although if correct the absence of the other daughters of Gauthier d’Ath/Ada de Ramerupt (see above) and of the son(s) of Geoffroy de Guise/Ada de Ramerupt (see the document NORTHERN FRANCE-VALOIS/VEXIN/VERMANDOIS) as joint suzerains of the 1125 property is difficult to explain. The most likely explanation appears to be that the two ladies named Ida were first cousins, each only children, and that in 1125 they were the only living descendants of their unknown ancestor from whom they had jointly inherited their interest in the property which was the subject of the 1125 charter.
     "No primary source has been identified which links either Ida to the Ath family. Boussu’s mid-18th century history of Ath is the earliest secondary source so far identified which makes the connection. Boussu’s text is confused, stating firstly that “Rase de Gavre” married “Ide d’Ath, seconde fille de Wautier Seigneur d’Ath” and claimed rights to Ath “du chef de sa mère, de même que de sa tante Beatrix”, and secondly that this “Rase de Gavre” was son of “Rase de Gavre, second époux d’Ide dame et héritière de Chièvres”[562]. Van Overstraeten names “Ide d’Ath” (mother of “Ide dite Domison de Chièvres”) and “Ide de Chièvres” (mother of Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai, son of Gossuin [II] de Mons) as joint founders of Ghislenghien[563]. It should also be noted that Bertha de Gavre, grandaughter of Ida wife of Guy de Chièvres, married Eustache [II] Seigneur de Rœulx, grandson of Béatrix d’Ath wife of Arnoul de Hainaut: if Ida and Béatrix had been sisters, the family relationship between husband and wife would have required a Papal dispensation.
     "Pending the emergence of further source material which indicates their family origins, the two ladies are shown below in the Ath chapter for convenience.
     "1. IDA (-[1126/35]). “Gotsuinus de Montibus” donated property to “quemdam bone memorie virum Aybertum nomine Reclusum”, with the consent of “conjuge mea Ida et filiis nostris Ysaac...”, by charter dated 1122[564]. A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[565]. Reiffenberg records that “Ide” returned serfs to Ghislenghien abbey, in the presence of “ses fils Gossuin et Isaac et d’Isembert leur oncle”, by charter dated 1126[566]. “Isaac” donated serfs to Ghislenghien abbey, for the souls of “mon père Gossuin de Mons et...de ma mère Ide”, with the consent of “mes frères Nicolas et Gossuin et ma sœur Ermengarde avec son mari Gautier”, by charter dated 1135[567]. She is named in the charter dated 1143 under which Nicolas de Mons Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien abbey founded by “genetricis nostræ Idæ”, including the donation of “tertiam partem...in Gisbecca” donated by “Gascuinus frater noster de Mons” for the soul of “matris nostræ Idæ” and “aliam partem in eadem villa Gisbecca” donated by “Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii"[568].
     "m GOSSUIN [II] de Mons, son of GOSSUIN [I] de Mons & his wife Ermengarde --- (-[1125/26]).
     "2. IDA (-after 1125). A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[569]. Ida is named in secondary sources as the daughter of Gauthier de Ath, but the primary source which confirms her family origin has not been identified.
     "m GUY de Chièvres, son of --- (-after [1120/27])."
Med Lands cites:
[557] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), pp. 147-8, footnote 2.
[558] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[559] Annales du Cercle Archéologique de Mons, Tome VIII (Mons, 1869), p. 147.
[560] Gazet, G. (1614) L’Histoire ecclésiastique du Pays-Bas (Valenciennes), p. 30.
[561] Trazegnies, O. de ‘Les trous noirs en généalogie. Quelques réflexions sur l’origine des Trazegnies et sur l’histoire d’Ath’, Le Parchemin, no. 350 (Mar-Apr 2004), pp. 132-55 (“Trazegnies ‘Ath’ (2004)”), [“tirage à part”] p. 15, no citation reference.
[562] Boussu, G. J. de (1750) Histoire de la ville d’Ath (Mons), p. 48.
[563] Van Overstraeten, D. (1976) Inventaire des Archives de l’abbaye de Ghislenghien (Brussels), pp. 5, 204-7, 398 (information provided by Thierry d’Orjo by email 19 Feb 2019)
[564] Wauters, A. ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’, Bulletin de la Commission royale d’Histoire, 10 (1882), p. 22.
[565] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.
[566] Reiffenberg, Baron de (1848) Monuments pour servir à l’histoire des provinces de Namur, de Hainaut et de Luxembourg (Brussels), Tome VIII, pp. 361-2, no citation reference for the charter.
[567] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, p. 361 (French translation of the charter, no citation reference for the original).
[568] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[569] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.

Family

Ida van Ath b. c 1070, d. bt 1125 - 1138
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin II de Mons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313170&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030534. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde (de Chaumont): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313173&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin I de Mons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313172&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida van Ath: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313171&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IdaAthMGuyChievres
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin III de Mons: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050237&tree=LEO

Ida van Ath1,2

F, #61772, b. circa 1070, d. between 1125 and 1138
FatherGauthier d'Ath Seigneur d'Ath3,4
MotherAda de Roucy-Ramerupt4,5 d. a 1121
ReferenceGAV27 EDV26
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Ida van Ath married Gossuin II de Mons, son of Gossuin I de Mons and Ermengarde de Chaumont;
Her 1st husband.4,2,6,7 Ida van Ath married Guy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres, son of Dietrich I von Ronse Vogt von Ronse and Adelendis de Chièvres;
Her 2nd husband.4,2 Ida van Ath was born circa 1070.1
Ida van Ath died between 1125 and 1138; Genealogics says d. bef 1138; Med Lands says d. aft 1125.4,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY de Chièvres (-after [1120/27]). “...Wido de Chirvia et frater eius Theodericus...” witnessed the charter dated 1117 under which Bouchard Bishop of Cambrai confirmed a donation made to the abbey of Saint-Denis near Mons[574]. "Gossuini de Montibus, Gossuini de Avesnis, Widonis de Cervia, Hugonis de Lens" subscribed the charter dated 1117 under which Baudouin III Comte de Hainaut donated property to the monastery of Saint-Denis[575]. “...Godefridi comitis, Guidonis de Cirvia, Gossuini de Avesnis...” subscribed the charter dated to [1120/27] under which “Lambertum prepositum” renounced claims over Bougnies in favour of the abbey of Saint-Denis en Brocqueroie[576].
     "m IDA, daughter of --- (-after 1125). A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[577]. Ida is named in secondary sources as the daughter of Gauthier de Ath, but the primary source which confirms her family origin has not been identified: follow her hyperlink for a full discussion of the question."
Med Lands cites:
[574] Devillers (1869), Tome V, V, p. 110.
[575] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, LXIV, p. 677.
[576] Duvivier (1865), CXVbis, p. 534.
[577] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.8
Ida van Ath and Guy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres lived at an unknown place ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY de Chièvres (-after [1120/27]). “...Wido de Chirvia et frater eius Theodericus...” witnessed the charter dated 1117 under which Bouchard Bishop of Cambrai confirmed a donation made to the abbey of Saint-Denis near Mons[574]. "Gossuini de Montibus, Gossuini de Avesnis, Widonis de Cervia, Hugonis de Lens" subscribed the charter dated 1117 under which Baudouin III Comte de Hainaut donated property to the monastery of Saint-Denis[575]. “...Godefridi comitis, Guidonis de Cirvia, Gossuini de Avesnis...” subscribed the charter dated to [1120/27] under which “Lambertum prepositum” renounced claims over Bougnies in favour of the abbey of Saint-Denis en Brocqueroie[576].
     "m IDA, daughter of --- (-after 1125). A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[577]. Ida is named in secondary sources as the daughter of Gauthier de Ath, but the primary source which confirms her family origin has not been identified: follow her hyperlink for a full discussion of the question."
Med Lands cites:
[574] Devillers (1869), Tome V, V, p. 110.
[575] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, LXIV, p. 677.
[576] Duvivier (1865), CXVbis, p. 534.
[577] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.8


; Per Med Lands:
     "GOSSUIN [II] de Mons (-[1125/26]). Gérard Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the foundation of Aymeries priory by "Ermengardis de Mons...cum filiis suis...et filia" by charter dated 1088, subscribed by “...Gosuini de Montibus et Isembardi filiorum Ermengardis”[1565]. "Gossewinus de Monte Castriloco" confirmed donations made by “mater mea...Ermengardis” to Aymeries priory, with the consent of “fratris mei Isembaldi”, by charter dated to [1100][1566]. "Gossuini de Montibus, Gossuini de Avesnis, Widonis de Cervia, Hugonis de Lens" subscribed the charter dated 1117 under which Baudouin III Comte de Hainaut donated property to the monastery of Saint-Denis[1567]. “Gotsuinus de Montibus” donated property to “quemdam bone memorie virum Aybertum nomine Reclusum”, with the consent of “conjuge mea Ida et filiis nostris Ysaac...”, by charter dated 1122[1568]. The wording of the 1125 charter of his wife, quoted below, suggests that Gossuin was alive at that date, but his absence from the 1126 charter suggests that he was deceased at the time.
     "m IDA, daughter of --- (-[1126/35]). “Gotsuinus de Montibus” donated property to “quemdam bone memorie virum Aybertum nomine Reclusum”, with the consent of “conjuge mea Ida et filiis nostris Ysaac...”, by charter dated 1122[1569]. A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[1570]. Reiffenberg records that “Ide” returned serfs to Ghislenghien, in the presence of “ses fils Gossuin et Isaac et d’Isembert leur oncle”, by charter dated 1126[1571]. “Isaac” donated serfs to Ghislenghien, for the souls of “mon père Gossuin de Mons et...de ma mère Ide”, with the consent of “mes frères Nicolas et Gossuin et ma sœur Ermengarde avec son mari Gautier”, by charter dated 1135[1572]. She is named in the charter dated 1143 under which Nicolas de Mons Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien abbey founded by “genetricis nostræ Idæ”, including the donation of “tertiam partem...in Gisbecca” donated by “Gascuinus frater noster de Mons” for the soul of “matris nostræ Idæ” and “aliam partem in eadem villa Gisbecca” donated by “Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii"[1573]."
Med Lands cites:
[1565] Foppens & Miraeus (1734), Tome III, XXV, p. 307.
[1566] Duvivier (1898), p. 297.
[1567] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, LXIV, p. 677.
[1568] Compte Rendu des séances de la Commission Royale d’Histoire ou Recueil de ses Bulletins, 4ème série, Tome 10 (Brussels, 1882), Analectes et diplomatique, 3ème série, p. 22.
[1569] Compte Rendu Commission Royale, 4ème série, Tome 10 (1882), Analectes et diplomatique, 3ème série, p. 22.
[1570] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.
[1571] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, pp. 361-2, no citation reference for the charter.
[1572] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, p. 361 (French translation of the charter, no citation reference for the original).
[1573] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.7


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 135b.1 Ida van Ath was also known as Ida d'Ath. GAV-27 EDV-26.

; Per Med Lands:
     "The existence of two different noblewomen named Ida, one married to Gossuin [II] de Mons, the other to Guy de Chièvres, is confirmed by the 1125 charter quoted below. Roland, in his study of the seigneurs de Florennes/Rumigny, had suggested that they were the same person[557]. The suggestion proved controversial, the debate revolving around two charters dated 1143 and 1161 which name the founder of the abbey of Ghislenghien: Nicolas de Mons Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien founded by “genetricis nostræ Idæ”, including the donation of “tertiam partem...in Gisbecca” donated by “Gascuinus frater noster de Mons” for the soul of “matris nostræ Idæ” and “aliam partem in eadem villa Gisbecca” donated by “Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii", by charter dated 1143[558], and “Domina Eva de Cirvia que dicitur Domisons” [the same person named in the 1143 charter] donated “medietatem ville...Erbisul” to Ghislenghien by charter dated 1161[559]. The 1143 document also clarifies that Gossuin [III] de Mons and Eva de Chièvres jointly owned “villa Gisbecca” which, if Roland’s hypothesis is correct, would have been inherited from their mother. A rather garbled variation of the hypothesis had been indicated in the early 17th century by Gazet who said that Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai was “issu de la noble famille de Widon seigneur de Chieures et de madame Ide”[560]. The chronology would be tight for Nicolas to have been born from his mother’s supposed second marriage. The question is settled by the 1125 charter.
     "The parentage of the two persons named Ida is also controversial. The Marquis de Trazegnies suggests that they were half-sisters, daughters of Ada de Ramerupt, the wife of Gossuin de Mons being her daughter by her first husband while Guy de Chièvres’s wife was her daughter by Gauthier d’Ath[561]. This suggestion appears possible chronologically, although if correct the absence of the other daughters of Gauthier d’Ath/Ada de Ramerupt (see above) and of the son(s) of Geoffroy de Guise/Ada de Ramerupt (see the document NORTHERN FRANCE-VALOIS/VEXIN/VERMANDOIS) as joint suzerains of the 1125 property is difficult to explain. The most likely explanation appears to be that the two ladies named Ida were first cousins, each only children, and that in 1125 they were the only living descendants of their unknown ancestor from whom they had jointly inherited their interest in the property which was the subject of the 1125 charter.
     "No primary source has been identified which links either Ida to the Ath family. Boussu’s mid-18th century history of Ath is the earliest secondary source so far identified which makes the connection. Boussu’s text is confused, stating firstly that “Rase de Gavre” married “Ide d’Ath, seconde fille de Wautier Seigneur d’Ath” and claimed rights to Ath “du chef de sa mère, de même que de sa tante Beatrix”, and secondly that this “Rase de Gavre” was son of “Rase de Gavre, second époux d’Ide dame et héritière de Chièvres”[562]. Van Overstraeten names “Ide d’Ath” (mother of “Ide dite Domison de Chièvres”) and “Ide de Chièvres” (mother of Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai, son of Gossuin [II] de Mons) as joint founders of Ghislenghien[563]. It should also be noted that Bertha de Gavre, grandaughter of Ida wife of Guy de Chièvres, married Eustache [II] Seigneur de Rœulx, grandson of Béatrix d’Ath wife of Arnoul de Hainaut: if Ida and Béatrix had been sisters, the family relationship between husband and wife would have required a Papal dispensation.
     "Pending the emergence of further source material which indicates their family origins, the two ladies are shown below in the Ath chapter for convenience.
     "1. IDA (-[1126/35]). “Gotsuinus de Montibus” donated property to “quemdam bone memorie virum Aybertum nomine Reclusum”, with the consent of “conjuge mea Ida et filiis nostris Ysaac...”, by charter dated 1122[564]. A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[565]. Reiffenberg records that “Ide” returned serfs to Ghislenghien abbey, in the presence of “ses fils Gossuin et Isaac et d’Isembert leur oncle”, by charter dated 1126[566]. “Isaac” donated serfs to Ghislenghien abbey, for the souls of “mon père Gossuin de Mons et...de ma mère Ide”, with the consent of “mes frères Nicolas et Gossuin et ma sœur Ermengarde avec son mari Gautier”, by charter dated 1135[567]. She is named in the charter dated 1143 under which Nicolas de Mons Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien abbey founded by “genetricis nostræ Idæ”, including the donation of “tertiam partem...in Gisbecca” donated by “Gascuinus frater noster de Mons” for the soul of “matris nostræ Idæ” and “aliam partem in eadem villa Gisbecca” donated by “Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii"[568].
     "m GOSSUIN [II] de Mons, son of GOSSUIN [I] de Mons & his wife Ermengarde --- (-[1125/26]).
     "2. IDA (-after 1125). A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[569]. Ida is named in secondary sources as the daughter of Gauthier de Ath, but the primary source which confirms her family origin has not been identified.
     "m GUY de Chièvres, son of --- (-after [1120/27])."
Med Lands cites:
[557] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), pp. 147-8, footnote 2.
[558] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[559] Annales du Cercle Archéologique de Mons, Tome VIII (Mons, 1869), p. 147.
[560] Gazet, G. (1614) L’Histoire ecclésiastique du Pays-Bas (Valenciennes), p. 30.
[561] Trazegnies, O. de ‘Les trous noirs en généalogie. Quelques réflexions sur l’origine des Trazegnies et sur l’histoire d’Ath’, Le Parchemin, no. 350 (Mar-Apr 2004), pp. 132-55 (“Trazegnies ‘Ath’ (2004)”), [“tirage à part”] p. 15, no citation reference.
[562] Boussu, G. J. de (1750) Histoire de la ville d’Ath (Mons), p. 48.
[563] Van Overstraeten, D. (1976) Inventaire des Archives de l’abbaye de Ghislenghien (Brussels), pp. 5, 204-7, 398 (information provided by Thierry d’Orjo by email 19 Feb 2019)
[564] Wauters, A. ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’, Bulletin de la Commission royale d’Histoire, 10 (1882), p. 22.
[565] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.
[566] Reiffenberg, Baron de (1848) Monuments pour servir à l’histoire des provinces de Namur, de Hainaut et de Luxembourg (Brussels), Tome VIII, pp. 361-2, no citation reference for the charter.
[567] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, p. 361 (French translation of the charter, no citation reference for the original).
[568] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[569] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.


; In 1126, shortly after the death of her husband, Gossuin II de Mons, she founded a convent at Ghislenghien.4

Family 1

Gossuin II de Mons d. b 1126
Child

Family 2

Guy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres d. bt 1120 - 1127
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida van Ath: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313171&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IdaAthMGuyChievres. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter van Ath: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174878&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida van Ath: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313171&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ade (Ada) de Montdidier: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020638&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin II de Mons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313170&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030534
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030515
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin III de Mons: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050237&tree=LEO
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve de Chièvres 'dite Domizon': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027421&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EvaChievresM1GillesChin

Ermengarde de Chaumont1

F, #61773
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited8 Oct 2020
     Ermengarde de Chaumont married Gossuin I de Mons.2,1,3
     GAV-28.

; Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 14:135B.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "GOSSUIN [I] de Mons (-[1086/88]). “…Gozuini Montensis…” subscribed the charter dated 1065 under which Philippe I King of France confirmed the foundation of Hasnon abbey by “Iohannes vir illustris et Eulalia soror eius”[1557]. “...Ysaac Valencensis, Gossuini Montensis...” subscribed the charter dated 1065, after 4 Aug, which confirmed the restoration of property to Hasnon monastery by “Balduinus filius Balduini Philippi regis Francorum procuratoris et bajuli”[1558]. “Gotzuini de Montibus, Gislardi filii eius, Walteri Bolceum, Thietwini fratris eius” subscribed the charter dated 1076 under which “Liduidis” proposed to serve the abbey of Saint-Ghislain[1559]. “Gossuini de Montibus, Theoderici de Avesnis, Theoderici de Aldenarda, [Segardi] de Ceocs, Manasse de Betunia, Fastredi, Walteri de Lens, Walcheri de Chirvia, Anselli de Ribodimonte...” subscribed a charter dated 1084 for the abbey of Saint-Denis en Brocqueroie[1560]. “Walterus de Monte, Theodoricus de Avesnes, Gossuinus de Monte...Godefridus castellanus de Monte...” subscribed the charter dated 1086 under which Baudouin II Comte de Hainaut confirmed his mother’s donations to Hasnon abbey[1561].
     "m ERMENGARDE, daughter of --- (-before [1100]). Gérard Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the foundation of Aymeries priory by "Ermengardis de Mons...cum filiis suis...et filia" by charter dated 1088, subscribed by “...Gosuini de Montibus et Isembardi filiorum Ermengardis”[1562]. "Gossewinus de Monte Castriloco" confirmed donations made by “mater mea...Ermengardis” to Aymeries priory, with the consent of “fratris mei Isembaldi”, by charter dated to [1100][1563]."
Med Lands cites:
[1557] Le Carpentier (1664), Part IV, Preuves, p. 8.
[1558] Prou, M. (ed.) (1908) Recueil des actes de Philippe I roi de France (Paris), XXII, p. 59.
[1559] Duvivier (1865), LXI, p. 424.
[1560] Duvivier (1865), LXVIII, p. 440.
[1561] Duvivier (1865), LXX, p. 444.
[1562] Foppens & Miraeus (1734), Tome III, XXV, p. 307.
[1563] Duvivier (1898), p. 297.3
Ermengarde de Chaumont was living in 1088; Genealogics says d. 1088; Med Lands says d. bef 1100.1,3

Family

Gossuin I de Mons d. c 1088
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde (de Chaumont): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313173&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin I de Mons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313172&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030534. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin II de Mons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313170&tree=LEO

Gossuin I de Mons1,2

M, #61774, d. circa 1088
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited8 Oct 2020
     Gossuin I de Mons married Ermengarde de Chaumont.1,3,2
Gossuin I de Mons died circa 1088; Genealogics says d. ca 1088; Med Lands says d. 1086/88.4,2
     GAV-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 13:135B.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "GOSSUIN [I] de Mons (-[1086/88]). “…Gozuini Montensis…” subscribed the charter dated 1065 under which Philippe I King of France confirmed the foundation of Hasnon abbey by “Iohannes vir illustris et Eulalia soror eius”[1557]. “...Ysaac Valencensis, Gossuini Montensis...” subscribed the charter dated 1065, after 4 Aug, which confirmed the restoration of property to Hasnon monastery by “Balduinus filius Balduini Philippi regis Francorum procuratoris et bajuli”[1558]. “Gotzuini de Montibus, Gislardi filii eius, Walteri Bolceum, Thietwini fratris eius” subscribed the charter dated 1076 under which “Liduidis” proposed to serve the abbey of Saint-Ghislain[1559]. “Gossuini de Montibus, Theoderici de Avesnis, Theoderici de Aldenarda, [Segardi] de Ceocs, Manasse de Betunia, Fastredi, Walteri de Lens, Walcheri de Chirvia, Anselli de Ribodimonte...” subscribed a charter dated 1084 for the abbey of Saint-Denis en Brocqueroie[1560]. “Walterus de Monte, Theodoricus de Avesnes, Gossuinus de Monte...Godefridus castellanus de Monte...” subscribed the charter dated 1086 under which Baudouin II Comte de Hainaut confirmed his mother’s donations to Hasnon abbey[1561].
     "m ERMENGARDE, daughter of --- (-before [1100]). Gérard Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the foundation of Aymeries priory by "Ermengardis de Mons...cum filiis suis...et filia" by charter dated 1088, subscribed by “...Gosuini de Montibus et Isembardi filiorum Ermengardis”[1562]. "Gossewinus de Monte Castriloco" confirmed donations made by “mater mea...Ermengardis” to Aymeries priory, with the consent of “fratris mei Isembaldi”, by charter dated to [1100][1563]."
Med Lands cites:
[1557] Le Carpentier (1664), Part IV, Preuves, p. 8.
[1558] Prou, M. (ed.) (1908) Recueil des actes de Philippe I roi de France (Paris), XXII, p. 59.
[1559] Duvivier (1865), LXI, p. 424.
[1560] Duvivier (1865), LXVIII, p. 440.
[1561] Duvivier (1865), LXX, p. 444.
[1562] Foppens & Miraeus (1734), Tome III, XXV, p. 307.
[1563] Duvivier (1898), p. 297.2

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin I de Mons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313172&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030534. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde (de Chaumont): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313173&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin I de Mons: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313172&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin II de Mons: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313170&tree=LEO

Itier IV de Toucy Sire de Toucy, de Bazarne1

M, #61775, d. 1218
FatherNarjod II de Toucy Sire de Toucy, de Bazarne, et de Saint-Fargeau1 d. a 1190
MotherAgnes de Dampierre1 d. a 1192
Last Edited9 Nov 2020
     Itier IV de Toucy Sire de Toucy, de Bazarne married Beatrix de Rion Dame de Gergy in 1206.2,1
Itier IV de Toucy Sire de Toucy, de Bazarne died in 1218 at near Damietta, Egypt.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 114.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Itier IV de Toucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313170&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrix de Rion: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197075&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Othe de Toucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208119&tree=LEO

Gui de Chappes Sire de Jully1

M, #61776, d. July 1221
Last Edited14 Aug 2019
     Gui de Chappes Sire de Jully married Petronille de Bar-sur-Seine, daughter of Thibaut (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine and Marguerite de Salmaise Dame de Champlost.2,1
Gui de Chappes Sire de Jully died in July 1221.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 65.1

Family

Petronille de Bar-sur-Seine d. bt 1 Dec 1236 - 31 Jan 1237
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gui de Chappes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305140&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pétronille de Bar-sur-Seine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305141&tree=LEO

Petronille de Bar-sur-Seine1

F, #61777, d. between 1 December 1236 and 31 January 1237
FatherThibaut (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine3 d. a 1159
MotherMarguerite de Salmaise Dame de Champlost2
Last Edited14 Aug 2019
     Petronille de Bar-sur-Seine married Gui de Chappes Sire de Jully.1,4
Petronille de Bar-sur-Seine died between 1 December 1236 and 31 January 1237.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 681; XIII 65.1

Family

Gui de Chappes Sire de Jully d. Jul 1221
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pétronille de Bar-sur-Seine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305141&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Salmaise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163432&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibaut: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163431&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gui de Chappes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00305140&tree=LEO

Marguerite de Salmaise Dame de Champlost1

F, #61778
FatherJean de Salmaise2
Last Edited15 Aug 2019
     Marguerite de Salmaise Dame de Champlost married Thibaut (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine, son of Guy II de Brienne Comte de Bar-sur-Saone and Petronille/Elizabeth (?) de Chacenay.3,1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 681.1 Marguerite de Salmaise Dame de Champlost was living in 1163.1

Family

Thibaut (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine d. a 1159
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Salmaise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163432&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Salmaise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163433&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibaut: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163431&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Bar-sur-Seine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106106&tree=LEO

Thibaut (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine1

M, #61779, d. after 1159
FatherGuy II de Brienne Comte de Bar-sur-Saone1,2,3 d. 1145
MotherPetronille/Elizabeth (?) de Chacenay1,4,5 b. c 1120, d. a 1165
Last Edited23 Apr 2020
     Thibaut (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine married Marguerite de Salmaise Dame de Champlost, daughter of Jean de Salmaise.1,6
Thibaut (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine died after 1159.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 681.1 He was living in 1159.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibaut: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163431&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029157&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambarsein.htm#GuyBrienneMPetronilleChacenay. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pétronille-Elisabeth de Chacenay: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029158&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Brienne, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brienne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Salmaise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163432&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Bar-sur-Seine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106106&tree=LEO

Agnes de Bar-sur-Seine Dame de Bragelogne1

F, #61780, d. before 1240
FatherThibaut (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine1 d. a 1159
MotherMarguerite de Salmaise Dame de Champlost1
Last Edited17 Aug 2004
     Agnes de Bar-sur-Seine Dame de Bragelogne married Philippe I (?) Sire de Plancy.2
Agnes de Bar-sur-Seine Dame de Bragelogne died before 1240.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 145, 681.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Bar-sur-Seine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106106&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Philippe I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106105&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Plancy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106107&tree=LEO

Philippe I (?) Sire de Plancy1

M, #61781, d. between December 1235 and May 1237
Last Edited17 Aug 2004
     Philippe I (?) Sire de Plancy married Agnes de Bar-sur-Seine Dame de Bragelogne, daughter of Thibaut (?) Comte de Bar-sur-Seine and Marguerite de Salmaise Dame de Champlost.1
Philippe I (?) Sire de Plancy died between December 1235 and May 1237.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 145.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Philippe I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106105&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Plancy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106107&tree=LEO

Jean de Salmaise1

M, #61782
Last Edited15 Aug 2019
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 681.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Salmaise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163433&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Anna (?)1

F, #61783
Last Edited23 Dec 2020
     Anna (?) married Miles II (?) Sire de Noyers.2,3
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XV 126.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Anna: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164497&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Noyers: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029162&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Miles II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163430&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Noyers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029162&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdtonne.htm#MathildeNoyersMMilonIIBarSeine. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Miles III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164498&tree=LEO

Miles III (?) Sire de Noyers1

M, #61784, d. circa 1131
FatherMiles II (?) Sire de Noyers1
MotherAnna (?)1
Last Edited21 Feb 2004
     Miles III (?) Sire de Noyers married Agnes (?)2
Miles III (?) Sire de Noyers died circa 1131.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XV 126.1

Family

Agnes (?)
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Miles III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164498&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164499&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Miles IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164500&tree=LEO

Agnes (?)1

F, #61785
Last Edited21 Feb 2004
     Agnes (?) married Miles III (?) Sire de Noyers, son of Miles II (?) Sire de Noyers and Anna (?).1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XV 126.1 Agnes (?) was living in 1111.1

Family

Miles III (?) Sire de Noyers d. c 1131
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164499&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Miles IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164500&tree=LEO

Miles V (?) Sire de Noyers1

M, #61786, d. between 1181 and 1184
FatherMiles III (?) Sire de Noyers1 d. c 1131
MotherAgnes (?)1
Last Edited21 Feb 2004
     Miles V (?) Sire de Noyers married Odeline de Chappes Dame de Lagesse.2
Miles V (?) Sire de Noyers died between 1181 and 1184.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XV 126.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Miles IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164500&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Odeline de Chappes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164501&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clérembaud: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164502&tree=LEO

Odeline de Chappes Dame de Lagesse1

F, #61787
Last Edited21 Feb 2004
     Odeline de Chappes Dame de Lagesse married Miles V (?) Sire de Noyers, son of Miles III (?) Sire de Noyers and Agnes (?).1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XV 126.1 Odeline de Chappes Dame de Lagesse was living in 1190.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Odeline de Chappes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164501&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clérembaud: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164502&tree=LEO

Ada (?) de Pleurs1

F, #61788
Last Edited21 Feb 2004
     Ada (?) de Pleurs married Clarembault (?) Sire de Noyers, son of Miles V (?) Sire de Noyers and Odeline de Chappes Dame de Lagesse, in 1186.1,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XV 126.1 Ada (?) de Pleurs was living in 1190.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ada de Pleurs: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164503&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clérembaud: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164502&tree=LEO

Adeline/Alix de Presles1

F, #61789
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited12 Dec 2020
     Adeline/Alix de Presles married Gautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne, son of Gaufridus II (Geoffrey) de Mayenne Baron de Mayenne, seigneur de Chartre-sur-Loir (72), comte du Maine and Mahaut Mathilde d’Alluyes dame de Brou et d’Alluyes; NB: The name and lineage of Gautier's wife is unclear:
** Genealogics says he m. Adeline (Alix) (de Presles).
** Med Lands just calls her Adeline with no family identified.
** Racines et Histoire (Beaugency) identifies her as Alix (alias Adeline) de Beaugency, dau. of Lancelin (Landry) II de Beaugency.
** Wikipédia (Fr.) names her as Adeline de Presles.
Conclusion: I originally followed Racines et Histoire's lineage (the Beaugency connection), but have now severed that and identify Gaurier's wife as Adeline de Presles (without identified parents). GA Vaut.2,3,4,5,6,1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 133.1 GAV-26. Adeline/Alix de Presles was living in 1108.1

Family

Gautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne b. 1060, d. a 18 Dec 1116
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adeline (Alix) (de Presles): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106753&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gautier: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106752&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GeoffroyMayennedied1098. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Beaugency - ancien Boisgency, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Beaugency.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 15 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  6. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Deuxième maison de Mayenne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuxi%C3%A8me_maison_de_Mayenne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Mayenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020165&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Juhael I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175552&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#JuhelMayennedied1161B

Gautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne1,2

M, #61790, b. 1060, d. after 18 December 1116
FatherGaufridus II (Geoffrey) de Mayenne Baron de Mayenne, seigneur de Chartre-sur-Loir (72), comte du Maine3,2,1 b. bt 1030 - 1040, d. bt May 1098 - Dec 1098
MotherMahaut Mathilde d’Alluyes dame de Brou et d’Alluyes4,1 b. bt 1030 - 1032, d. b 1079
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited12 Dec 2020
     Gautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne married Adeline/Alix de Presles; NB: The name and lineage of Gautier's wife is unclear:
** Genealogics says he m. Adeline (Alix) (de Presles).
** Med Lands just calls her Adeline with no family identified.
** Racines et Histoire (Beaugency) identifies her as Alix (alias Adeline) de Beaugency, dau. of Lancelin (Landry) II de Beaugency.
** Wikipédia (Fr.) names her as Adeline de Presles.
Conclusion: I originally followed Racines et Histoire's lineage (the Beaugency connection), but have now severed that and identify Gaurier's wife as Adeline de Presles (without identified parents). GA Vaut.1,2,5,6,7,8 Gautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne was born in 1060.9,7
Gautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne died after 18 December 1116 at Italy.10,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 133.
2. Encyclopedie Genealogique des Maisons Souveraines du Monde Paris, VIII 1963,IX 1964,XII 1966., Docteur Gaston Sirjean, Reference: 12.1
GAV-26. Gautier de Mayenne Sire de Mayenne was also known as Gautier (?) Seigneur de Mayenne.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gautier: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106752&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GeoffroyMayennedied1098. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaufridus I (Geoffroy): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106750&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut d'Alluye: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106751&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Beaugency - ancien Boisgency, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Beaugency.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 15 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Deuxième maison de Mayenne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuxi%C3%A8me_maison_de_Mayenne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adeline (Alix) (de Presles): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106753&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Beaugency.pdf, p. 2.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gautier: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106752&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Juhael I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00175552&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#JuhelMayennedied1161B

Gaufridus II (Geoffrey) de Mayenne Baron de Mayenne, seigneur de Chartre-sur-Loir (72), comte du Maine1,2,3

M, #61791, b. between 1030 and 1040, d. between May 1098 and December 1098
FatherGeoffroy I de Mayenne Seigneur de Mayenne4,5,2,3
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited15 Aug 2020
     Gaufridus II (Geoffrey) de Mayenne Baron de Mayenne, seigneur de Chartre-sur-Loir (72), comte du Maine was born between 1030 and 1040.6 He married Mahaut Mathilde d’Alluyes dame de Brou et d’Alluyes, daughter of Gautier II d’Alluyes Seigneur d’Alluyes, before 1059;
Her 2nd husband.7,8,3,9
Gaufridus II (Geoffrey) de Mayenne Baron de Mayenne, seigneur de Chartre-sur-Loir (72), comte du Maine died between May 1098 and December 1098; Med Lands says d. May/Dec 1098.1,6,3
     ; Per Racines et Histoire "Mahaut (Mathilde) d’Alluyes ° ~1030/32 + dès 1079 (peut-être 07/08/1079) dame de Brou et d’Alluyes (donation à l’Abbaye Saint-Père de Chartres d’une terre située près de Saint-Germain d’Alluyes)
     ép.1) ~1055 Guillaume 1er «Le Vieux» Gouët, seigneur de Montmirail (-au-Perche, 72), Authon (-au-Perche, 28), Brou (28), La Bazoche, comte du Perche-Gouët (Petit-Perche) ° ~1025/30 + 1060
     ép. 2) dès 1059 Geoffroi (1er ou) II, baron de Mayenne ° ~1030/40 + ~1098/99 seigneur de La Chartre-sur-le-Loir (72) et de Mayenne, comte du Maine (fils d’Haimon + ~1030 ; ép. 2) Hildeberge de Bretagne.)9" GAV-27.

; Per Genealogics:
     "Geoffroy was the son of Haymon. According to the cartulary of the abbey of Saint-Vincent, dating between 1067 and 1070, he or more probably his father had his ownership of the château of Mayenne confirmed by Foulques III 'Nerra', comte d'Anjou, between 1014 and Foulques' death in 1040. Haymon subscribed a charter dated 1014 'Signum Haymonis de Medano', so he appears to have been castellan or seigneur already at that time. Geoffroy is first recorded as lord of Mayenne in a charter of Hugues IV, comte de Maine, dated the 20th year of the reign of Henri I, king of France, i.e. approximately 1051.
     "Before 1059 Geoffroy married Mahaut d'Alluye, widow of Guillaume I Gouët, seigneur de Montmirail, and daughter of Gautier d'Alluye. Their son Gautier would have progeny, marrying Adeline (Alix) (de Presles). The marriage of Geoffroy and Mahaut was partly driven by the need to defend against the encroachments of the Normans and of Rotrou I, comte du Perche.
     "Herbert II, comte de Maine, driven from Maine by Geoffrey II Martel, comte d'Anjou, had no sons, and named William the Conqueror, duke of Normandy, as his heir. On Herbert's death in 1062 William pressed his right to succeed in Maine. Most of the lords of Maine revolted against him. Led by Geoffroy they summoned as their new count Gautier III, comte d'Amiens et du Vexin. William of Normandy then embarked on the conquest of Maine, using scorched earth tactics and conquering the castles of his opponents one by one, capturing Gautier who died shortly after in mysterious circumstances. William also laid siege to the castle of Mayenne, to which Geoffroy had fled. When the castle was set on fire it surrendered in 1063.
     "In 1094 Geoffroy allied with Guillaume II de Sillé and the principal lords of Maine to support the house of Giroie in its feud against Robert de Bellême, 3rd earl of Shropshire and of Shrewsbury.
     "Geoffroy died in 1098."8

; Per Med Lands: "The parents of the brothers Geoffroy [II] and Hugues de Mayenne have not been satisfactorily identified. It is chronologically improbable that Geoffroy [II] was the same person as Geoffroy [I] Seigneur de Mayenne. It is more likely that the brothers were sons of Geoffroy [I], younger brothers of Gauthier [I], but this is speculation until more primary source documentation emerges."
     "GEOFFROY [II] de Mayenne (-[May/Dec] 1098). Seigneur de Mayenne. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, names "Geffroy sire de Maienne" among those who took part in the conquest of England in 1066[348]. Comte du Maine 1070/71, as the lover of Gersende Ctss du Maine. The Actus pontificum Cenomannis records that "Atho marchisius" left Maine in the hands of "Gaufridi de Meduana", also naming "uxor eiusdem marchisii Garcendis…filia Herberti Cenomannorum…comitis…Evigila Canem" and specifying that she had married firstly "Theobaldo duci Campanie" and that he had repudiated her[349]. The same source comments that "Gaufredi de Meduana" was "tutor et quasi maritus", implying that Gersende was his mistress. "Goffridus…de Meduana" founded "ecclesiam in honore…confessoris Christi Nicolai" at "castro suo…Carcer" [La Chartre] and placed there the monks of La Trinité de Vendôme, by charter dated 1092[350].
     "m firstly (before 1059) as her second husband, MATHILDE d'Alluyes, widow of GUILLAUME [I] Goët Seigneur de Montmirail, daughter of GAUTHIER d'Alluyes & his wife --- (-after 1079). Her two marriages are confirmed by the charter dated to [1050/60] under which "Hugo…castri Breietelli possessor in pago Cenomannensi" donated "ecclesiam…in Dunensi pago…Lazellam" to Marmoutier, with the permission of "domine mee Mahildis filie Galterii de Aloia filiorumque ac filiarum eiusdem, quibus patres fuere Guillelmus cognomento Gugetus et Gauffredus de Medana…Willelmi, Hildeburgis et Richildis, item Hamelini, Galterii et Hersendis"[351]. m secondly HILDEBERGE de Cornouaïlle, daughter of HOËL Comte de Cornouaïlle & his wife Havise de Bretagne. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.
     "Mistress: ([1070/71]) GERSENDE du Maine, daughter of HERIBERT [I] "Euigilans Canis/Eveille-chien" Comte du Maine & his wife --- ([1025/35]-). The Actus pontificum Cenomannis records that "Atho marchisius" left Maine in the hands of "Gaufridi de Meduana", also naming "uxor eiusdem marchisii Garcendis…filia Herberti Cenomannorum…comitis…Evigila Canem" and specifying that she had married firstly "Theobaldo duci Campanie" and that he had repudiated her[352]. The same source comments that "Gaufredi de Meduana" was "tutor et quasi maritus", implying that Gersende was his mistress.
     "Geoffroy & his [first] wife had three children:
     "a) HAMELIN de Mayenne (-before 1098).
     "b) GAUTHIER [II] de Mayenne (-in Italy after 18 Dec 1116).
     "c) HERSENDE (-before [1070])."

Med Lands cites:
[348] Extrait de la Chronique de Normandie, RHGF, Tome XIII, p. 236.
[349] Actus pontificum Cenomannis, p. 377.
[350] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome II, CCCXLII, p. 68.
[351] Menjot d’Elbenne (1876), Appendice, I, p. 47.3
Gaufridus II (Geoffrey) de Mayenne Baron de Mayenne, seigneur de Chartre-sur-Loir (72), comte du Maine was also known as Gautier I Baron de Mayenne.8

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 133.8 Gaufridus II (Geoffrey) de Mayenne Baron de Mayenne, seigneur de Chartre-sur-Loir (72), comte du Maine was also known as Geoffroi II baron de Mayenne, seigneur de Chartre-sur-Loir (72), comte du Maine.6

; Per Med Lands (Ref #1): "Mistress of: ([1070/71]) GEOFFROY de Mayenne, son of HAYMON & his wife --- (-[May/Dec] 1098)"
Per Med Lands (Ref #2): "Mistress: ([1070/71]) GERSENDE du Maine, daughter of HERIBERT [I] "Euigilans Canis/Eveille-chien" Comte du Maine & his wife --- ([1025/35]-). The Actus pontificum Cenomannis records that "Atho marchisius" left Maine in the hands of "Gaufridi de Meduana", also naming "uxor eiusdem marchisii Garcendis…filia Herberti Cenomannorum…comitis…Evigila Canem" and specifying that she had married firstly "Theobaldo duci Campanie" and that he had repudiated her[352]. The same source comments that "Gaufredi de Meduana" was "tutor et quasi maritus", implying that Gersende was his mistress."
Med lands Ref #2 cites: [352] Actus pontificum Cenomannis, p. 377.10,11

Family

Mahaut Mathilde d’Alluyes dame de Brou et d’Alluyes b. bt 1030 - 1032, d. b 1079
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaufridus I (Geoffroy): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106750&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#_Toc4742617. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GeoffroyMayennedied1098
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Haymon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106748&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Haymon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106748&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut d'Alluye: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106751&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaufridus I (Geoffroy): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106750&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs d’ Alluyes, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Ref #1: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm#GersendeM1ThibautIIIBloisM2AzzoIIEste
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Ref #2: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GeoffroyMayennedied1098
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gautier: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106752&tree=LEO

Richilde (?)1

F, #61792
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited27 Apr 2020
     Richilde (?) married Hugues II d’Alluyes seigneur d’Alluyes, son of Hugues I d’Alluyes seigneur d’Alluyes.2
     GAV-29.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs d’ Alluyes, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf

Gautier II d’Alluyes Seigneur d’Alluyes1,2,3

M, #61793
FatherHugues II d’Alluyes seigneur d’Alluyes4 b. c 980, d. a 1025
MotherRichilde (?)4
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited27 Apr 2020
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "GAUTHIER [II] d’Alluyes . [Seigneur] d’Alluyes. The chronology suggests that Gauthier [II] was probably a different person from Gauthier [I]. No primary source has yet been identified which names Gauthier [II] except the document quoted below which names him as the father of Mathilde. m ---."3

; Per Racines et Histoire "Gauthier d’Alluyes fl 1069 seigneur d’Alluyes (souscrit donation d’Hugues à Saint-Florent en 1069) ép. ?"4

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 133.5 GAV-28. Gautier II d’Alluyes Seigneur d’Alluyes was living in 1069.4

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gautier d'Alluye: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165023&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#MathildeAlluyeM1GuillaumeGoet. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs d’ Alluyes, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Alluyes.pdf
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gautier d'Alluye: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165023&tree=LEO

Haymon (?)1

M, #61794
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited27 Apr 2020
     GAV-28.

; Per Med Lands: "HAMON, son of --- (-after 1014). "Hugo Cenomannensis comes" donated property to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel by charter dated 1014, witnessed by "Roscelini vicecomitis, Hameli de Leido Castello, Haymonis de Medano, Herberti fratris comitis, Droci filii Milonis, Odilarii Drudi"[344]. m ---. The name of Hamon’s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites: [344] Le Mans Saint-Victeur IV, p. 5.2 Haymon (?) was also known as Hamon (?)2

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 133.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Haymon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106748&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#_Toc4742617. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Haymon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106748&tree=LEO

Gaucher I de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon1,2,3

M, #61795, d. circa 1096
FatherGuy I de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon5,2,3 d. c 1076
MotherErmengarde de Choisy4,1,2,3 b. c 1014
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Gaucher I de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon married Mahaut (?) de Louvain, daughter of Renaud (?) de Louvain.2,3
Gaucher I de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon died circa 1096; Racines et Histoire says d. 1101.1,2,3
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 17.1

Family

Mahaut (?) de Louvain b. c 1043, d. c 1112
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaucher I de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027554&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chatillon.pdf, p. 2.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde de Choisy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027553&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy I de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027552&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henri I de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027555&tree=LEO

Ermengarde de Choisy1

F, #61796, b. circa 1014
FatherAubri/Albéric de Choisy seigneur de Choisy2
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Ermengarde de Choisy was born circa 1014.2 She married Guy I de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon, son of Milon de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon et de Bazoches and Avenelle de Montfort, between 1072 and 1080.3,1,2
     EDV-28.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 17.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde de Choisy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027553&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chatillon.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy I de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027552&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gaucher I de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027554&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf, p. 4.

Guy I de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon1,2

M, #61797, d. circa 1076
FatherMilon de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon et de Bazoches3,2 d. 1076
MotherAvenelle de Montfort2 b. c 988, d. c 1031
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Guy I de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon married Ermengarde de Choisy, daughter of Aubri/Albéric de Choisy seigneur de Choisy, between 1072 and 1080.1,4,2
Guy I de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon died circa 1076; Leo says d. ca 1076,Racines et Histoire says d. after 1089.1,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 17.1 EDV-28.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy I de Châtillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027552&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chatillon.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon de Choisy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027537&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde de Choisy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027553&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf, p. 4.

Milon de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon et de Bazoches1

M, #61798, d. 1076
FatherHervé de Châtillon Vidame de Reims, seigneur de Châtillon2 b. bt 947 - 957, d. 999
MotherGisèle (?) de Cambrai3
ReferenceEDV29
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Milon de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon et de Bazoches married Avenelle de Montfort.3
Milon de Châtillon Seigneur de Châtillon et de Bazoches died in 1076.3
     EDV-29.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 17.1

Family 2

Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon de Choisy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027537&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Chatillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027536&tree=LEO
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chatillon.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Manasses de Chatillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027551&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon de Chatillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027550&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pope Urbano II 1088-1099: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027538&tree=LEO

Hervé de Châtillon Vidame de Reims, seigneur de Châtillon1,2

M, #61799, b. between 947 and 957, d. 999
FatherEudes (?) seigneur de Châtillon2
ReferenceEDV30
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Hervé de Châtillon Vidame de Reims, seigneur de Châtillon married Gisèle (?) de Cambrai.2 Hervé de Châtillon Vidame de Reims, seigneur de Châtillon was born between 947 and 957.2
Hervé de Châtillon Vidame de Reims, seigneur de Châtillon died in 999.2
     EDV-30.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 17.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Chatillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027536&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chatillon.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gervais de Chatillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027540&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy de Chatillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027539&tree=LEO

Gervais de Chatillon Vidame de Reims1

M, #61800
FatherHervé de Châtillon Vidame de Reims, seigneur de Châtillon1 b. bt 947 - 957, d. 999
MotherGisèle (?) de Cambrai2
Last Edited13 Sep 2009
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 17.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gervais de Chatillon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027540&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chatillon.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.