Robert II de Clermont Comte de Clermont1

M, #95221, b. circa 1220, d. March 1282
FatherRobert I de Clermont Dauphin d'Auvergne, Comte de Clermont1 d. 12 Apr 1262
MotherAlesie de Ventadour1 d. b Nov 1260
Last Edited25 Sep 2020
     Robert II de Clermont Comte de Clermont married Mahaut d'Auvergne, daughter of Guillaume IX d'Auvergne Comte d'Auvergne and Adelaide/Aleidis (?) of Brabant, Comtesse de Boulogne.2,1 Robert II de Clermont Comte de Clermont was born circa 1220.1
Robert II de Clermont Comte de Clermont died in March 1282.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:733.1

; Per Genealogics:
     “Robert was the son of Robert I, comte de Clermont, and Alesie de Ventadour. About 1240 he succeeded his father as count of Clermont and dauphin d'Auvergne. He married Mahaut d'Auvergne, a descendant of Guillaume VIII 'le vieux', who had usurped the county of Auvergne in 1147 from Robert's great great grandfather Guillaume VII 'le jeune', the rightful heir of Robert III, father of Guillaume VII and brother of Guillaume VIII. (The county of Auvergne was confiscated in 1212 from Guy II, grandson of Guillaume VIII 'le vieux', by King Philippe II August of France, and integrated into the royal domain.) Robert and Mahaut had a son Robert III who would have progeny and succeed his father.
     “In 1262 Robert paid homage for his lands to Alphonse de France, comte de Poitou et Toulouse, a son of King Louis VIII. Robert designated himself as dauphin of Auvergne in his will of 1281. He died in March 1282.”.1

Family

Mahaut d'Auvergne d. 20 Aug 1280
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164570&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut d'Auvergne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164571&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164572&tree=LEO

Robert III de Clermont Dauphin d'Auvergne, Comte de Clermont1

M, #95222, b. circa 1250, d. 7 March 1324
FatherRobert II de Clermont Comte de Clermont1 b. c 1220, d. Mar 1282
MotherMahaut d'Auvergne1 d. 20 Aug 1280
Last Edited25 Sep 2020
     Robert III de Clermont Dauphin d'Auvergne, Comte de Clermont was born circa 1250.1 He married Alixente/Hélissent de Mercoeur Dame de Saint-Privat d'Allier, daughter of Beraud VI "le Grand" de Mercoeur Sire de Mercoeur and Beatrix/Agnes de Bourbon, in 1279.2,1
Robert III de Clermont Dauphin d'Auvergne, Comte de Clermont died on 7 March 1324.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:733.1 He was Per Genealogics:
     “Robert was the son of Robert II, comte de Clermont, dauphin d'Auvergne, and Mahaut d'Auvergne. In 1279 he married Alixente de Mercoeur, dame de Saint-Privat d'Allier, widow of Pons V de Montlaur, baron de Posquières, seigneur de Castries, and of Aymar III de Poitiers, comte de Valentinois, and daughter of Béraud VI 'le Grand', sire de Mercoeur, and Béatrix (Agnès) de Bourbon. Their son Jean I would have progeny and succeed his father.
     “Alixente herself had a link to Auvergne: King Philippe II August of France had given custody of Auvergne, a new province integrated into the royal domain after its forfeiture in 1213 from Guy II, comte d'Auvergne, to her maternal grandfather Archambaud VIII de Dampierre, seigneur de Bourbon. Guy II's grandfather Guillaume VIII 'le vieux' had usurped the county of Auvergne in 1147 from her husband's great great grandfather Guillaume VII 'le jeune'.
     “Alixente died in 1286, and about 27 May 1289 Robert married Isabeau de Châtillon, dame de Crocq et de Jaligny, widow of Guy de Châteauvillain, seigneur de Luzy. Their son Robert I would have progeny.
     “Robert died on 7 March 1324.”.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164572&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alixente de Mercoeur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050789&tree=LEO

Pons V de Montlaur Baron de Posquières, Seigneur de Castries1

M, #95223, d. before 11 December 1274
Last Edited25 Sep 2020
     Pons V de Montlaur Baron de Posquières, Seigneur de Castries married Guise de Rodez in 1232;
His 1st wife.2 Pons V de Montlaur Baron de Posquières, Seigneur de Castries married Alixente/Hélissent de Mercoeur Dame de Saint-Privat d'Allier, daughter of Beraud VI "le Grand" de Mercoeur Sire de Mercoeur and Beatrix/Agnes de Bourbon, on 16 December 1256;
His 2nd wife; her 1st husband.1
Pons V de Montlaur Baron de Posquières, Seigneur de Castries died before 11 December 1274.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 14:114.1

Family 1

Guise de Rodez

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pons V de Montlaur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050791&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guise de Rodez: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00590389&tree=LEO

NN de Montluçon1

F, #95224
FatherArchambaud II de Montluçon Seigneur de Montluçon1
MotherNN de Mello1
Last Edited25 Sep 2020
     NN de Montluçon and Guillaume IX d'Auvergne Comte d'Auvergne were engaged in April 1202.1,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME [X] d’Auvergne, son of GUY [II] Comte d'Auvergne & his wife Petronille de Chambon (-1246, bur Le Bouchet). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "iunior comes Alvernie Guilelmus" was son of “comitis Guidonis Alvernie” and his wife "soror abbatis Radulfi…Camboniam"[281]. "Guido comes Claromontensis" donated "Buillonem…et Leez…et Buisseroles…" to "Petronillæ dominiæ Chambonii uxori meæ comitissæ Clarimontensis in dotalicio" on leaving for "partes Albigenses…contra hæreticos", with the consent of "Guillelmus primogenitus meus […matri suæ]", by charter dated 1209[282]. The testament of "Guidonis comitis Arvernorum", dated 27 May 1209, names "Guillelmo primogenito suo…Hugo secundus natu…Petronillæ uxoris suæ…Guidoni…tertio filio suo"[283]. Comte d'Auvergne. Henry III King of England recorded a treaty with "W. filium comitis Guidonis de Alvernia et Delfinum Clari Montis et R. nepotem eius" dated [Oct] 1225[284]. The testament of "Guillermus comes Claromontensis", dated Feb 1245, chooses burial "in monasterio del Boschet in sepulcro bonæ memoriæ patris nostri", appoints "Robertum filium nostrum…sub custodia…Hugonis…episcopi Claromontensis consanguinei nostri" as his heir, names "Guidonem filium nostrum clericum…Guillermum et Godefridum filios nostros…Henricum filium nostrum", provides for the anniversary of "sororis nostræ et…generis nostri Guillelmo de Ussone" and makes various other donations including to "domui de las Chesas…ad vitam sororis nostræ"[285].
     "Betrothed (Apr 1202) to --- de Montluçon, daughter of ARCHAMBAUD Seigneur de Montluçon & his wife ---. A charter dated Apr 1202 records an agreement between “Archembaudus dominus Montis Lucii” and “Guidonem comitem Arvernie" for the marriage of "filiam Archembaudi primogenitam" and "Guillelmus filius comitis, vel alter filius", together with "Combralium et comitatum"[286].
     "Betrothed ([1210]) to [ELEONORE] de Forez, daughter of GUY [III] Comte de Forez & his second wife Alix ---. La Mure states that "la troisième et dernière fille de Guy III Comte de Forez et de son épouse Alice de Suilly" was "Eléonor de Forez" who, in a charter "alléguée par Justel de l’an 1210", was betrothed to "Guillaume fils de Guy II Comte d’Auvergne", that the betrothal was terminated "par le changement des affaires qui survint ès Maisons d’Auvergne et de Forez", and that the same daughter later married "un grand seigneur d’Auvergne nommé Guillaume de Baffie, seigneur de Baffie et de Viveron"[287]. In this way, La Mure conflates the daughter of Comte Guy [III] by his first marriage, who married Guillaume de Baffie as demonstrated by the charter dated Mar [1241/42] quoted above, with his younger daughter who was betrothed to Guillaume d’Auvergne. This must be incorrect in light of the source which names the older daughter, wife of Guillaume de Baffie, as "S" (see SEIGNEURS de BAFFIE, below). In an earlier passage, La Mure describes the background to this betrothal: Philippe II King of France had dispossessed Guy [II] of his county in 1210 in reprisal for his persecution of his brother Robert Bishop of Clermont, Guy de Dampierre Seigneur de Bourbon supported the king in this move, while the county of Forez supported the comte d’Auvergne[288]. The agreement is confirmed in the undated charter which records that "Reginaldus…primæ Lugdunensis ecclesiæ minister…et pater meus comes Forensis et Guido comes Arverniæ" agreed the marriages, firstly of "G. fratris mei" and "filias G. comitis Arverniæ", and secondly of "filius…dicti comitis Arverniæ" and "filiam […reliquæ filiæ fratris mei] fratris mei G. quondam comitis Forensis"[289]. This charter makes it clear that this daughter was the last remaining (unmarried) daughter ("reliquæ filiæ") of Comte Guy [III], but the document does not name her. La Mure gives no indication of the basis on which he names her "Eléonor", but presumably his source was Justel’s Histoire d’Auvergne (not yet consulted). No record has been found which indicates that this betrothal was ever finalised into a marriage, although the late date of Guillaume [X]’s recorded marriage suggests that he may have been married before and remarried only after the death of his earlier wife, who would presumably have died childless.
     "m (before 3 Feb 1225) as her second husband, ALEIDIS de Brabant, widow of ARNOLD [III] Graf van Looz en Rieneck, daughter of HENRI I Duke of Brabant & his first wife Mathilde de Flandre (-[1261/67]). The Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ refers to the third of the four daughters of "Henricus dux" as the wife of "comes de Alvernia" and mother of "Robertum comitem Bolonie et Alvernie et fratres eius et sorores"[290]. The Oude Kronik van Brabant names "Mariam, conthoralem Ottonis Quartus Romanorum imperatoris, Aleydam comitissam Auernie, Margaretam comitissam Gerardi comitis Ghelrie et Mechteldim, primo quidem comitissam Palatinam Rheni, postea…comitissam Hollandie" as the daughters of "Henricus…primus, dux Lotharingie" and his wife "Mechteldim, filiam Mathei Boloniensis comitis"[291]. "Willelmus…comes Arverniæ et Aleydis quondam comitissa de Los" renounced an inheritance from "dominus dux Lotharingiæ", presumably in connection with their forthcoming marriage although the document does not specify this, by charter dated 1 Feb 1224[292]. She married thirdly (before Dec 1251) as his second wife, Arnold [III] Heer van Wesemaal Marshall of Brabant. "Robertus comes Claremontis et Alverniæ, Aleydis mater eius, et Arnoldus dominus de Wensemale maritus" confirmed agreement concerning property by charter dated 1251[293]. Her third marriage is confirmed by a letter dated 1260 from "Ernoul chevalier Sire de Wesemale et Alys que fu contesse d’Auvergne sa femme" granted their rights in the county of Boulogne to "nostre cousine germaine la contesse Mahaut de Boloigne"[294]."
Med Lands cites:
[281] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1210, MGH SS XXIII, p. 891.
[282] Baluze (1708) Auvergne, Tome II, p. 81.
[283] Baluze (1708) Auvergne, Tome II, p. 82.
[284] Maxwell Lyte, H. C. (ed.) (1901) Patent Rolls of the reign of Henry III preserved in the Public Record Office 1215-1225 (London), p. 552.
[285] Baluze (1708) Auvergne, Tome II, p. 90.
[286] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes V, 144, p. 50.
[287] La Mure (1675/1860), Tome I, p. 201.
[288] La Mure (1675/1860), Tome I, p. 171.
[289] Baluze (1708) Auvergne, Tome II, p. 89.
[290] Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ 7, MGH SS XXV, p. 390.
[291] Oude Kronik van Brabant, Codex Diplomaticus Neerlandicus, Second Series (Utrecht 1855), deerde deel, Part 1, p. 62.
[292] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, Preuves, p. 70, "Extraicts des chartes de Brabant".
[293] Baluze (1708) Auvergne, Tome II, p. 108.
[294] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, Preuves, p. 98, "Lettre tirée des chartes de Brabant".2


; Per Med Lands:
     "daughter . A charter dated Apr 1202 records an agreement between “Archembaudus dominus Montis Lucii” and “Guidonem comitem Arvernie" for the marriage of "filiam Archembaudi primogenitam" and "Guillelmus filius comitis, vel alter filius", together with "Com[bralium et comitatum"[331]. It is not known whether this daughter was the same person as Beatrix named below.
     "Betrothed (Apr 1202) to GUILLAUME [X] d’Auvergne, son of GUY [II] Comte d'Auvergne & his wife Cambonia de Chambon (-1246, bur Le Bouchet). He succeeded his father in 1222 as Comte d’Auvergne.]"
Med Lands cites:
[331] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes V, 144, p. 50.1

Family

Guillaume IX d'Auvergne Comte d'Auvergne b. c 1195, d. 1246

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BOURBON.htm#dauArchambaudMontluconBetGuillaumeAuver. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUVERGNE.htm#GuillaumeIXAuvergnedied1246

Guilhem I de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier1,2

M, #95225, b. circa 950, d. 1025
FatherGuy/Wido de Montpelier3 d. bt 975 - 985
MotherEngelrada de Melgueil4
Last Edited26 Sep 2020
     Guilhem I de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier married Chimberte (?)2 Guilhem I de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier was born circa 950; Genealogics says b. ca 950; Wikipédia (FR) says b. ca 955.5,1
Guilhem I de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier died in 1025; Genealogics says d. 1019; Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR) say d. 1025.5,3,1
     ; NB: Genealogics and Med Lands differ on the descent of the Seigneurs de Montpelier from Guillem/Guillaume I.
     I. Genealogics shows:
I.1 Guillem I de Montpellier b. Est 950 d. 1019
-->I.2 Guillem II de Montpellier
-->I.3 Guillem III, Sire de Montpellier b. Est 1005 d. 1058 m. Beliarde
-->I.4 Guillem IV, Sire de Montpellier b. Est 1028 d. 1068 m. Ermengarde de Melgueil
-->I.5 Guillem V, Sire de Montpellier b. Abt 1075 d. Bef 21 Feb 1122


     II. Med Lands shows:
II.1 Guillaume I, Seigneur de Montpellier b. 955 d. 1024
-->II.2.1 Berenger/Bernard
-->II.2.2 Guillaume II [Bernard] de Montpellier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. bef 1059 m. Beliarde
-->II.3 Guillaume III de Montpellier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. aft 10689
(Unassigned) II.4 Bernard Guillaume IV de Montpelier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. 1085 m (unlikely) Ermengarde de Melgueil (Med Lands states: "He was the brother of Guillaume III according to Duhamel-Amado[755] and Baumel[756], but his son according to Settipani[757]."
-->II.5 Guillaume V de Montpellier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. Bef 21 Feb 1122, betrothed NN de Melgueil; m. Ermesende
Med Lands cites (for II.4 Bernard Guillaume IV):
     [755] Duhamel-Amado (2001), p. 262. [J.-C. Chuat]
[756] Baumel (1980), p. 56. [J.-C. Chuat]
[757] Settipani (1988), p. 48, and Settipani (2004), p. 143 footnote 3.

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     III. Wikipédia (FR) - Liste des seigneurs de Montpellier offers the following (dates are for reigns, not necessarily birth and death, though the end of a reign usually coincided with an individual's death)
III.1 Guilhem I de Montpellier 985 - ca 1025
III.2. Bérenger/Bernard de Montpellier
-->III.2. Guilhem II de Montpellier, ca 1025 - ca 1059, nephew of the Guilhem I, son of Bérenger (or Bernard) de Montpellier
-->III.3.1 Guilhem III de Montpellier, ca 1059 - ca 1068, son of the Guilhem II
-->III.3.2 Bernard Guilhem IV de Montpellier, ca 1068 - 1085, brother of Guilhem III
-->III.4 Guilhem V de Montpellier,1085 - 1122, son of Guilhem IV


     IV. H&T offer an extensive and well-documented analysis of the verious hypotheses regarding this line and conclude that the most commonly espoused hypothesis shows (see attached image of the diagram from the H&T website):
Siblings:
IV.1.1 Berenger
IV.1.2 Guilhem I [Bernard] de Montpellier m. Chimberge
IV.1.3 Trudgarde b. 960 d. bef 1022 m. Bernard (it is unclear whether Trudgarde or Bernard was the sibling of the other two)
-->IV.2 Guilhem II Bernard m. Beliarde (H&T state: "Guilhem I n’ayant probablement pas eu d’enfant adopte celui de Tudgarde, le fameux Guilhem II Bernard." (Guillem I probably not having children, adopted that of Trudgard, the famous Gillhem II Bernard." [translation by GA Vaut]
-->IV.3 Guilhem III Bernard m. Ermengarde de Narbonne
-->IV.4 Guilhem IV b. 1073 d. 1122 m. Ermessinde


Conclusion:
I tend to be swayed by the arguments of Settipani and therefore have adopted the lineage as outlined by Genealogics for Guillem/Guillaume IV and V (father/son). This leaves unanswered the question of whether Guillem/Guillaume II was the son of Guillem/Guillaume I (per Genealogics) or of one of his siblings, Bernard/Berenger (per Med Lands) or Trugarde & Bernard (per H&T). Med Lands, Wikipédia (FR), and H&T disagree with the Genealogics descent, showing Guillaume/Guilhem/Guillem II not as the son of Guillaume/Guilhem/Guillem I, but rather of his sibling, named variously Bernard, Berenger or Bernard/Berenger. For now, I have also adopted H&T's lineage, but continue to search for other information. GA Vaut.6,3,7,2,8

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: 3/3:445.5

; This is the same person as ”Guilhem Ier de Montpellier” at Wikipédia (FR).1

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME [I] ([955]-after 1025). "Ingilrada femina" donated property "in comitatu Biterresne in villa Caunas" to Aniane, for "viro meo Widone defuncto et filiis meis Willermo Berengario et Petro", by charter dated 13 Jul [1000][705]. "Bernardus comes et uxor mea Senegundis" donated property "in civitatis Magalonensis in suburbia castri Substantionensis in terminio de villa Candianicus…et in terminio de Monte-Pestellario" to "Guillelmo" by charter dated 26 Nov 985[706]. Seigneur de Montpellier. Guillaume [I] had no children and was succeeded by his nephew Guillaume."
Med Lands cites:
[705] Aniane, CCLXVIII, p. 394.
[706] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 138, col. 300.3
Guilhem I de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier was also known as Guillem I de Montpelier.5

; Per Genealogics:
     “Guillem I was the founder of the dynasty which bears his name: the Guillems, lords of Montpellier. He received his fief (a manor) of Montispessulani (Montpellier) on 26 November 986 from Bernard II, comte de Melgueil, with the permission of Ricuin, bishop of Maguelone.”.5 He was Seigneur de Montpellier between 985 and 1025.9

Family

Chimberte (?)

Citations

  1. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guilhem Ier de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilhem_Ier_de_Montpellier. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  2. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Aux origines des Guilhem de Montpellier: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/58. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc496685206. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#EngelradaMGuy
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem I de Montpellier: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00521883&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/descendtext.php?personID=I00521883&tree=LEO&display=block&generations=5
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des seigneurs de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_seigneurs_de_Montpellier
  8. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 26 Sep 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  9. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guilhem III de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilhem_III_de_Montpellier

Guy/Wido de Montpelier1

M, #95226, d. between 975 and 985
ReferenceEDV30
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Guy/Wido de Montpelier married Engelrada de Melgueil, daughter of Blitgardis de Melgueil.2,1
Guy/Wido de Montpelier died between 975 and 985.1
     EDV-30.

; Per Med Lands:
     "Arnaud de Verdale, a later bishop of Maguelone, recorded that the domains of Montpellier and Montpelléret ("Montispessulani et Montispessualanuli ville cum adjacentiis suis") were donated to the church of Maguelone by "due quondam…sorores, altera quarum Montempessulanum, Montempessulanulum altera" and that "Fulcranus, a Substantionensium comitum stemmate maternum sanguinem ducens, Magalonensis archidiaconus, gloriosissimus postmodum Lodovensis episcopus" was their brother[695]. Soon afterwards Bishop Ricuin enfeoffed Guy with the part which was originally called Montpellier[696]. The grant was supplemented by the charter dated 26 Nov 985 under which Comte Bernard and his wife Sénégonde granted property "in termino Montepestellario" to Guillaume[697]. Montpellier was inherited by the kings of Aragon following the marriage of Marie de Montpellier and Pedro II King of Aragon, and was eventually incorporated into the kingdom of Mallorca. It was transferred to France in 1349.
     "GUY [Wido] (-[975/85]). Fulcran Bishop of Lodève, in his testament dated 988, donated property for the soul of "Pontii germani mei et…Guidonis", specifying that had received vineyards from Guy[698]. There is no indication of Fulcran's relationship to Guy, if any, in this document. However, as discussed below under his wife Engelrada, it is possible that she was Bishop Fulcran's sister. Later, Guy was granted Montpellier by Bishop Ricuin[699]. Settipani points out that the purpose of these donations by Bishop Ricuin of Maguelone (which, granted Montpellier to Guy and Montpelliéret to Deodatus and Arenfredus) was to enfeoff the nobles who were related to St Fulcran with land which they had previously donated to his predecessor[700].
     "m ENGELRADA [Ingilrada/Aurucia][701], granddaughter of BERNARD [I] Comte de Melgueil, daughter of [--- & his wife Blitgardis]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Granddaughter of Bernard [I] Comte de Melgueil. Settipani suggests that the wife of Guy was the daughter of an otherwise unknown son of Comte Bernard named Guillaume. However, as Guy was subsequently enfeoffed with the part originally called Montpellier by Bishop Ricuin[702], it seems more reasonable to suppose that his wife was one of the original donors. If this is correct, Engelrada would have been one of the two sisters of Fulcran Bishop of Maguelone whom Arnaud de Verdale, a later bishop of Maguelone, recorded as donors of the domains of Montpellier and Montpelléret (see above, introduction to this Chapter)[703]. This of course assumes that the later report of the donation is accurate. "Ingilrada femina" donated property "in comitatu Biterresne in villa Caunas" to Aniane, for "viro meo Widone defuncto et filiis meis Willermo Berengario et Petro", by charter dated 13 Jul [1000][704]."
Med Lands cites:
[695] Catalogus episcoporum Magalonensium, d'Arnaud de Verdale, Germain, A. 'Arnaud de Verdale, évêque et chroniqueur', Mémoires de la Société archéologique de Montpellier 40-41 (1881), pp. 441-853. [J.-C. Chuat]
[696] Germain 'Arnaud de Verdale' (1881), pp. 441-853, esp. pp. 488-490. Latin text available in Vidal, H. 'Aux origines de Montpellier: la donation de 985', Bulletin historique de la ville de Montpellier (1985), pp. 9-38. [J.-C. Chuat]
[697] Vidal, H. 'Aux origines de Montpellier; la donation de 985', Bulletin historique de la ville de Montpellier (1984), pp. 9-38, Annexe II, p. 28. [J.-C. Chuat]
[698] Gallia Christiana, VI, col. 269, cited in Settipani (1988), p. 50, n. 22.
[699] Settipani (1988), p. 46. [J.-C. Chuat]
[700] Settipani (1988), p. 46. The documents in question are considered as genuine by Settipani (1988) and Baumel (1980). Contra: H. Vidal (1985) esp. p. 11, as well as in other studies by the same author.
[701] Duhamel-Amado (2001), stemma p. 254, 255. [J.-C. Chuat]
[702] Germain 'Arnaud de Verdale' (1881), pp. 441-853, esp. pp. 488-490. Latin text available in Vidal, H. 'Aux origines de Montpellier: la donation de 985', Bulletin historique de la ville de Montpellier (1985), pp. 9-38. [J.-C. Chuat]
[703] Catalogus episcoporum Magalonensium, d'Arnaud de Verdale, Germain, A. 'Arnaud de Verdale, évêque et chroniqueur', Mémoires de la Société archéologique de Montpellier 40-41 (1881), pp. 441-853. [J.-C. Chuat]
[704] Aniane, CCLXVIII, p. 394.1


; Per Med Lands:
     "daughter . Arnaud de Verdale, a later bishop of Maguelone, recorded that the domains of Montpellier and Montpelléret ("Montispessulani et Montispessualanuli ville cum adjacentiis suis") were donated to the church of Maguelone by "due quondam…sorores, altera quarum Montempessulanum, Montempessulanulum altera" and that "Fulcranus, a Substantionensium comitum stemmate maternum sanguinem ducens, Magalonensis archidiaconus, gloriosissimus postmodum Lodovensis episcopus" was their brother[453]. same person as…? ENGELRADA [Ingilrada/Aurucia] (-after 975). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Granddaughter of Bernard [I] Comte de Melgueil. Settipani suggests that the wife of Guy was the daughter of an otherwise unknown son of Comte Bernard named Guillaume. However, as Guy was subsequently enfeoffed with the part originally called Montpellier by Bishop Ricuin[454], it seems more reasonable to suppose that his wife was one of the original donors. This of course assumes that the later report of the donation is accurate.
     "m GUY, son of ---."
Med Lands cites:
[453] Catalogus episcoporum Magalonensium, Arnaud de Verdale, Germain, A. 'Arnaud de Verdale, évêque et chroniqueur', Mémoires de la Société archéologique de Montpellier 40-41 (1881), pp. 441-853. [J.-C. Chuat]
[454] Germain, A. 'Arnaud de Verdale, évêque et chroniqueur', Mémoires de la Société archéologique de Montpellier 40/1 (1881), pp. 441-853, esp. pp. 488-490. Latin text available in Vidal, H. 'Aux origines de Montpellier: la donation de 985', Bulletin historique de la ville de Montpellier (1985), pp. 9-38. [J.-C. Chuat]2

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc496685206. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#EngelradaMGuy

Engelrada de Melgueil1

F, #95227
MotherBlitgardis de Melgueil1
ReferenceEDV30
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Engelrada de Melgueil married Guy/Wido de Montpelier.1,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "Arnaud de Verdale, a later bishop of Maguelone, recorded that the domains of Montpellier and Montpelléret ("Montispessulani et Montispessualanuli ville cum adjacentiis suis") were donated to the church of Maguelone by "due quondam…sorores, altera quarum Montempessulanum, Montempessulanulum altera" and that "Fulcranus, a Substantionensium comitum stemmate maternum sanguinem ducens, Magalonensis archidiaconus, gloriosissimus postmodum Lodovensis episcopus" was their brother[695]. Soon afterwards Bishop Ricuin enfeoffed Guy with the part which was originally called Montpellier[696]. The grant was supplemented by the charter dated 26 Nov 985 under which Comte Bernard and his wife Sénégonde granted property "in termino Montepestellario" to Guillaume[697]. Montpellier was inherited by the kings of Aragon following the marriage of Marie de Montpellier and Pedro II King of Aragon, and was eventually incorporated into the kingdom of Mallorca. It was transferred to France in 1349.
     "GUY [Wido] (-[975/85]). Fulcran Bishop of Lodève, in his testament dated 988, donated property for the soul of "Pontii germani mei et…Guidonis", specifying that had received vineyards from Guy[698]. There is no indication of Fulcran's relationship to Guy, if any, in this document. However, as discussed below under his wife Engelrada, it is possible that she was Bishop Fulcran's sister. Later, Guy was granted Montpellier by Bishop Ricuin[699]. Settipani points out that the purpose of these donations by Bishop Ricuin of Maguelone (which, granted Montpellier to Guy and Montpelliéret to Deodatus and Arenfredus) was to enfeoff the nobles who were related to St Fulcran with land which they had previously donated to his predecessor[700].
     "m ENGELRADA [Ingilrada/Aurucia][701], granddaughter of BERNARD [I] Comte de Melgueil, daughter of [--- & his wife Blitgardis]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Granddaughter of Bernard [I] Comte de Melgueil. Settipani suggests that the wife of Guy was the daughter of an otherwise unknown son of Comte Bernard named Guillaume. However, as Guy was subsequently enfeoffed with the part originally called Montpellier by Bishop Ricuin[702], it seems more reasonable to suppose that his wife was one of the original donors. If this is correct, Engelrada would have been one of the two sisters of Fulcran Bishop of Maguelone whom Arnaud de Verdale, a later bishop of Maguelone, recorded as donors of the domains of Montpellier and Montpelléret (see above, introduction to this Chapter)[703]. This of course assumes that the later report of the donation is accurate. "Ingilrada femina" donated property "in comitatu Biterresne in villa Caunas" to Aniane, for "viro meo Widone defuncto et filiis meis Willermo Berengario et Petro", by charter dated 13 Jul [1000][704]."
Med Lands cites:
[695] Catalogus episcoporum Magalonensium, d'Arnaud de Verdale, Germain, A. 'Arnaud de Verdale, évêque et chroniqueur', Mémoires de la Société archéologique de Montpellier 40-41 (1881), pp. 441-853. [J.-C. Chuat]
[696] Germain 'Arnaud de Verdale' (1881), pp. 441-853, esp. pp. 488-490. Latin text available in Vidal, H. 'Aux origines de Montpellier: la donation de 985', Bulletin historique de la ville de Montpellier (1985), pp. 9-38. [J.-C. Chuat]
[697] Vidal, H. 'Aux origines de Montpellier; la donation de 985', Bulletin historique de la ville de Montpellier (1984), pp. 9-38, Annexe II, p. 28. [J.-C. Chuat]
[698] Gallia Christiana, VI, col. 269, cited in Settipani (1988), p. 50, n. 22.
[699] Settipani (1988), p. 46. [J.-C. Chuat]
[700] Settipani (1988), p. 46. The documents in question are considered as genuine by Settipani (1988) and Baumel (1980). Contra: H. Vidal (1985) esp. p. 11, as well as in other studies by the same author.
[701] Duhamel-Amado (2001), stemma p. 254, 255. [J.-C. Chuat]
[702] Germain 'Arnaud de Verdale' (1881), pp. 441-853, esp. pp. 488-490. Latin text available in Vidal, H. 'Aux origines de Montpellier: la donation de 985', Bulletin historique de la ville de Montpellier (1985), pp. 9-38. [J.-C. Chuat]
[703] Catalogus episcoporum Magalonensium, d'Arnaud de Verdale, Germain, A. 'Arnaud de Verdale, évêque et chroniqueur', Mémoires de la Société archéologique de Montpellier 40-41 (1881), pp. 441-853. [J.-C. Chuat]
[704] Aniane, CCLXVIII, p. 394.2
Engelrada de Melgueil lived at an unknown place ; EDV-30.

; Per Med Lands:
     "daughter . Arnaud de Verdale, a later bishop of Maguelone, recorded that the domains of Montpellier and Montpelléret ("Montispessulani et Montispessualanuli ville cum adjacentiis suis") were donated to the church of Maguelone by "due quondam…sorores, altera quarum Montempessulanum, Montempessulanulum altera" and that "Fulcranus, a Substantionensium comitum stemmate maternum sanguinem ducens, Magalonensis archidiaconus, gloriosissimus postmodum Lodovensis episcopus" was their brother[453]. same person as…? ENGELRADA [Ingilrada/Aurucia] (-after 975). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Granddaughter of Bernard [I] Comte de Melgueil. Settipani suggests that the wife of Guy was the daughter of an otherwise unknown son of Comte Bernard named Guillaume. However, as Guy was subsequently enfeoffed with the part originally called Montpellier by Bishop Ricuin[454], it seems more reasonable to suppose that his wife was one of the original donors. This of course assumes that the later report of the donation is accurate.
     "m GUY, son of ---."
Med Lands cites:
[453] Catalogus episcoporum Magalonensium, Arnaud de Verdale, Germain, A. 'Arnaud de Verdale, évêque et chroniqueur', Mémoires de la Société archéologique de Montpellier 40-41 (1881), pp. 441-853. [J.-C. Chuat]
[454] Germain, A. 'Arnaud de Verdale, évêque et chroniqueur', Mémoires de la Société archéologique de Montpellier 40/1 (1881), pp. 441-853, esp. pp. 488-490. Latin text available in Vidal, H. 'Aux origines de Montpellier: la donation de 985', Bulletin historique de la ville de Montpellier (1985), pp. 9-38. [J.-C. Chuat]1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#EngelradaMGuy. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc496685206

Blitgardis de Melgueil1

F, #95228
FatherBernard I de Melgueil Comte de Melgueil et de Substantion1 d. c 922
ReferenceEDV31
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     EDV-31.

; Per Med Lands: "BLITGARDIS . The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. m ---."1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#EngelradaMGuy. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Berenger/Bernard de Montpelier1

M, #95229
FatherGuy/Wido de Montpelier1 d. bt 975 - 985
MotherEngelrada de Melgueil1
ReferenceEDV29
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Berenger/Bernard de Montpelier married Trudgardis (?)1
     ; NB: Genealogics and Med Lands differ on the descent of the Seigneurs de Montpelier from Guillem/Guillaume I.
     I. Genealogics shows:
I.1 Guillem I de Montpellier b. Est 950 d. 1019
-->I.2 Guillem II de Montpellier
-->I.3 Guillem III, Sire de Montpellier b. Est 1005 d. 1058 m. Beliarde
-->I.4 Guillem IV, Sire de Montpellier b. Est 1028 d. 1068 m. Ermengarde de Melgueil
-->I.5 Guillem V, Sire de Montpellier b. Abt 1075 d. Bef 21 Feb 1122


     II. Med Lands shows:
II.1 Guillaume I, Seigneur de Montpellier b. 955 d. 1024
-->II.2.1 Berenger/Bernard
-->II.2.2 Guillaume II [Bernard] de Montpellier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. bef 1059 m. Beliarde
-->II.3 Guillaume III de Montpellier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. aft 10689
(Unassigned) II.4 Bernard Guillaume IV de Montpelier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. 1085 m (unlikely) Ermengarde de Melgueil (Med Lands states: "He was the brother of Guillaume III according to Duhamel-Amado[755] and Baumel[756], but his son according to Settipani[757]."
-->II.5 Guillaume V de Montpellier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. Bef 21 Feb 1122, betrothed NN de Melgueil; m. Ermesende
Med Lands cites (for II.4 Bernard Guillaume IV):
     [755] Duhamel-Amado (2001), p. 262. [J.-C. Chuat]
[756] Baumel (1980), p. 56. [J.-C. Chuat]
[757] Settipani (1988), p. 48, and Settipani (2004), p. 143 footnote 3.

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     III. Wikipédia (FR) - Liste des seigneurs de Montpellier offers the following (dates are for reigns, not necessarily birth and death, though the end of a reign usually coincided with an individual's death)
III.1 Guilhem I de Montpellier 985 - ca 1025
III.2. Bérenger/Bernard de Montpellier
-->III.2. Guilhem II de Montpellier, ca 1025 - ca 1059, nephew of the Guilhem I, son of Bérenger (or Bernard) de Montpellier
-->III.3.1 Guilhem III de Montpellier, ca 1059 - ca 1068, son of the Guilhem II
-->III.3.2 Bernard Guilhem IV de Montpellier, ca 1068 - 1085, brother of Guilhem III
-->III.4 Guilhem V de Montpellier,1085 - 1122, son of Guilhem IV


     IV. H&T offer an extensive and well-documented analysis of the verious hypotheses regarding this line and conclude that the most commonly espoused hypothesis shows (see attached image of the diagram from the H&T website):
Siblings:
IV.1.1 Berenger
IV.1.2 Guilhem I [Bernard] de Montpellier m. Chimberge
IV.1.3 Trudgarde b. 960 d. bef 1022 m. Bernard (it is unclear whether Trudgarde or Bernard was the sibling of the other two)
-->IV.2 Guilhem II Bernard m. Beliarde (H&T state: "Guilhem I n’ayant probablement pas eu d’enfant adopte celui de Tudgarde, le fameux Guilhem II Bernard." (Guillem I probably not having children, adopted that of Trudgard, the famous Gillhem II Bernard." [translation by GA Vaut]
-->IV.3 Guilhem III Bernard m. Ermengarde de Narbonne
-->IV.4 Guilhem IV b. 1073 d. 1122 m. Ermessinde


Conclusion:
I tend to be swayed by the arguments of Settipani and therefore have adopted the lineage as outlined by Genealogics for Guillem/Guillaume IV and V (father/son). This leaves unanswered the question of whether Guillem/Guillaume II was the son of Guillem/Guillaume I (per Genealogics) or of one of his siblings, Bernard/Berenger (per Med Lands) or Trugarde & Bernard (per H&T). Med Lands, Wikipédia (FR), and H&T disagree with the Genealogics descent, showing Guillaume/Guilhem/Guillem II not as the son of Guillaume/Guilhem/Guillem I, but rather of his sibling, named variously Bernard, Berenger or Bernard/Berenger. For now, I have also adopted H&T's lineage, but continue to search for other information. GA Vaut.2,1,3,4,5 EDV-29.

; Per Med Lands:
     "BERENGER . "Ingilrada femina" donated property "in comitatu Biterresne in villa Caunas" to Aniane, for "viro meo Widone defuncto et filiis meis Willermo Berengario et Petro", by charter dated 13 Jul [1000][707]. same person as…? [BERNARD] . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. It is possible that he is the same person as the son referred to in his mother's charter as Bérenger. m TRUDGARDIS, daughter of --- (-[1020]). The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified."
Med Lands cites:
[707] Aniane, CCLXVIII, p. 394.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc496685206. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/descendtext.php?personID=I00521883&tree=LEO&display=block&generations=5. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des seigneurs de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_seigneurs_de_Montpellier. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Aux origines des Guilhem de Montpellier: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/58. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  5. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 26 Sep 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Trudgardis (?)1

F, #95230, d. 1020
ReferenceEDV29
Last Edited3 Nov 2020
     Trudgardis (?) married Berenger/Bernard de Montpelier, son of Guy/Wido de Montpelier and Engelrada de Melgueil.1
Trudgardis (?) died in 1020.1
     EDV-29.

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc496685206. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Aux origines des Guilhem de Montpellier: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/58. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.

Guilhem II de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier1,2

M, #95232, d. circa 1068
FatherGuilhem II de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier2 b. c 1005, d. 1058
MotherBeliarde (?)2
Last Edited26 Sep 2020
     Guilhem II de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier died circa 1068; d.s.p.3
     Guilhem II de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier was also known as Guillaume III de Montpelier Seigneur de Montpellier.2 He was Seigneur de Montpellier between 1059 and 1068.4,2

Citations

  1. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Aux origines des Guilhem de Montpellier: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/58. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  2. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guilhem III de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilhem_III_de_Montpellier. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Bernard Guilhem IV de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Guilhem_IV_de_Montpellier
  4. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des seigneurs de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_seigneurs_de_Montpellier

Emma (?)1

F, #95233, d. after 1162
Last Edited28 Oct 2020
     Emma (?) married Guy III de Laval Sire de Laval, son of Guy II "le Chauve" de Laval Sire de Laval and Cecile/Sicilia (?), between 1118 and 1123.1
Emma (?) died after 1162.1

Family

Guy III de Laval Sire de Laval d. bt 1130 - 1142
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIVLavaldied1130. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Dietrich I von Ronse Vogt von Ronse1

M, #95234
ReferenceEDV30
Last Edited13 Nov 2020
     Dietrich I von Ronse Vogt von Ronse married Adelendis de Chièvres.2,1
     EDV-30.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 135b.1 Dietrich I von Ronse Vogt von Ronse was living in 1084.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313178&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelendis de Chièvres: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313179&tree=LEO

Adelendis de Chièvres1

F, #95235
ReferenceEDV30
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Adelendis de Chièvres married Dietrich I von Ronse Vogt von Ronse.1,2
     EDV-30.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 135b.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelendis de Chièvres: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313179&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313178&tree=LEO

Unknown (?)1

F, #95236
Last Edited30 Sep 2020
     Unknown (?) married Hywel ab Edwin King of Deheubarth, daughter of Edwin ab Einion;
Her 1st husband.1 Unknown (?) married Gruffydd (Griffit) I ap Llywelyn Prince of North Wales, son of Llywelyn ap Seisyll King of Gwynedd and Deheubarth and Angharad ferch Maredudd, in 1039;
Her 2nd husband; his 1st wife.1,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "GRUFFYDD ap Llywelyn, son of LLYWELYN ap Seisyll King of Gwynedd & his wife Angharad of Gwynedd (-killed Snowdonia 5 Aug 1063). [The Gwentian Chronicle records that "his son…Grufydd" succeeded his father as prince of Gwynedd after "Llywelyn son of Seisyllt" was killed in 1021[426].] His parentage is confirmed by the Chronicle of the Princes of Wales which records that "Bleddyn son of Cynvyn [and] Gruffudd son of Llywelyn…were brothers by the same mother…Angharad daughter of Meredudd king of the Britons"[427]. [The Gwentian Chronicle records that "Grufudd" defeated and killed "Iago son of Idwal prince of Gwynedd" and "took the government of Gwynedd and so became king of Wales from the Irish Channel to the Severn sea", dated to [1036] from the context[428].] He succeeded in 1039 as Prince of Gwynedd and Powys. The Chronicle of the Princes of Wales records that "Iago king of Gwynedd was slain" in 1037 and that "Gruffudd son of Llywelyn son of Seisyl governed in his stead", adding that the latter "from beginning to end pursued the Saxons and the other nations and killed and destroyed them…first…at Rhyd y Groes on the Severn"[429]. He accompanied Svein Godwinsson, son of Godwin Earl of Wessex, on an expedition into South Wales in 1046[430]. He made himself ruler of all of Wales. Allied with Ælfgar ex-Earl of East Anglia, son of Leofric Earl of Mercia, he invaded England and sacked Hereford Oct 1055. Peace was negotiated by Leofric Earl of Mercia and Harold Earl of Wessex, under which Gruffydd swore allegiance to King Edward "the Confessor"[431]. Leofgar, recently appointed Bishop of Hereford, led an army against Gruffydd but was defeated and killed 16 Jun 1056[432]. He started raiding England again after Ælfric Earl of Mercia died [1062]. England launched a full-scale campaign against him, led by Tostig Earl of Northumbria invading north Wales and Harold raiding the southern coast[433]. [The Gwentian Chronicle records that "Caradoc son of Rhydderch [error for son of Grufudd son of Rhydderch?] son of Iestin hired Harallt to come with an army to S. Wales" and together they defeated Prince Gruffydd in 1060[434].] The Chronicle of the Princes of Wales records that "Gruffudd son of Llywelyn…fell through the treachery of his own men" in 1061[435]. Simeon of Durham records that "Griffin king of the Britons" was killed by his own men "Non Aug" in 1064[436]. Gruffydd was not caught by this pincer movement but was killed by his own men[437].
     "m firstly (1039) as her second husband, ---, formerly wife of HYWEL Prince of South Wales, daughter of ---. The Chronicle of the Princes of Wales records that "Gruffudd son of Llywelyn son of Seisyl overcame Howel and captured his wife and took her to be his own wife"[438]. The Gwentian Chronicle records that "Grufudd son of Llywelyn son of Seisyllt" defeated "Hywel son of Edwin and took his wife from him and kept her as his concubine" in 1038[439].
     "m secondly ([1058]) as her first husband, EALDGYTH of Mercia, daughter of ÆLFGAR Earl of Mercia & his first wife Ælfgifu. Orderic Vitalis records that "Edwinus…et Morcarus comites, filii Algari…Edgivam sororem eorum" married firstly "Gritfridi…regis Guallorum" and secondly "Heraldo"[440]. In a later passage, the same source names her “Aldit”[441]. She married secondly (1064/early 1066) Harold II King of England. There is no source which pinpoints the date of Ealdgyth´s second marriage. Freeman suggests that the absence of any reference to his queen in the sources which record the circumstances of Harold´s accession and [coronation may indicate that his marriage took place afterwards[442]."
Med Lands cites:
[426] Gwentian Chronicle, p. 45.
[427] Brut y Tywysogion (Williams), p. 125.
[428] Gwentian Chronicle, p. 51.
[429] Brut y Tywysogion (Williams), p. 39.
[430] Anglo-Saxon Chronicle C, 1046.
[431] Florence of Worcester, 1055, p. 157.
[432] Florence of Worcester, 1056, p. 158.
[433] Florence of Worcester, 1063, p. 164.
[434] Gwentian Chronicle, p. 57.
[435] Brut y Tywysogion (Williams), p. 45.
[436] Simeon of Durham, Vol. II, p. 543.
[437] Florence of Worcester, 1064, p. 166, and Barlow, F. (2002) The Godwins: the Rise and Fall of a Noble Dynasty (Longman), p. 68.
[438] Brut y Tywysogion (Williams), p. 41.
[439] Gwentian Chronicle, p. 51.
[440] Le Prévost, A. (1840) Orderici Vitalis Historiæ Ecclesiasticæ (Paris) ("Orderic Vitalis (Prévost)"), Vol. II, Liber III, p. 119.
[441] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber IV, IV, p. 183.
[442] Freeman, E. A. (1875) The History of the Norman Conquest of England, its causes and its results 2nd Edn. (Oxford), Vol. III, Appendix, Note K, p. 638.2

Family 1

Hywel ab Edwin King of Deheubarth d. bt 1043 - 1044

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WALES.htm#HywelSouthWalesdiedafter1039. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WALES.htm#Gruffydddied1063

Hemma (?)1

F, #95237
Last Edited30 Oct 2020
     Hemma (?) married Arnold IV von Lenzburg Graf von Lenzburg, son of Ulrich III von Lenzburg Graf von Lenzburg and Richenza von Habsburg.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ARNOLD [IV] (-[15 May] ----, [11 Aug 1127/22 Jan 1130]). An undated charter relating to the foundation of Kloster Muri records a donation by "Uodalrico comite fratribusque eius Arnolfo et Rudolfo"[356]. A Habsburg genealogy names "Arnoldum, Chono comitem, Wernherum de Baden" as the children of "Richenza de Lenzburg"[357], although the chronology would be stretched if the last two named (see below) were her children. Graf von Lenzburg. Emperor Heinrich V settled a dispute between "abbas de cella Sancti Meginradi et Ulricus advocatus eius" and “Rodulfus et Arnoldus comites” by charter dated 10 Mar 1114[358]. Vogt of Zürich church 1127. “Comes Arnolfus” donated “prædium meum...Urane” to “ecclesiæ Schanniensi”, with the support of “uxore mea Hemma et filiis meis Udalrico, Arnolfo, Wernhero, Chunone”, and confirmed donations made by “Ulricus comes de Lenzburg bonæ memoriæ”, by charter dated 11 Aug 1127, witnessed by “filiorum fratris mei Ruodolfi, Udalirici et Arnolfi...”[359]. A necrology of unknown provenance, marked "Fragmenta Incerta" in the compilation, records the death "Id May" of "Arnoltus com Ulrici de Schennis filius" and also the death "XIII Kal Mai 1105" of "Arnolfus com de Schennis"[360]. The Liber Anniversariorum of Einsiedeln records the donation in May "com Arnolt, Uodalrici de Schannis filius"[361].
     "m HEMMA, daughter of ---. “Comes Arnolfus” donated “prædium meum...Urane” to “ecclesiæ Schanniensi”, with the support of “uxore mea Hemma et filiis meis Udalrico, Arnolfo, Wernhero, Chunone”, by charter dated 11 Aug 1127[362]."
Med Lands cites:
[356] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Acta Murensia, 12. p. 36.
[357] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Acta Murensia, I. p. 3.
[358] Herrgott (1737), Vol. II, Pars 1, CXCV, p. 134.
[359] Herrgott (1737), Vol. II, Pars 1, CCIX, p. 152.
[360] Fragmenta Incerta, Chur Necrologies, p. 660, the introduction describing it as "dubious".
[361] Fragmenta Libri Anniversariorum Einsiedlenses, Konstanz Necrologies, p. 212.
[362] Herrgott (1737), Vol. II, Pars 1, CCIX, p. 152.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#RichenzaLenzburgBadenMHartmannIIIKiburg. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

NN de Rochefort-en-Yvelines1

F, #95238
FatherGuy II "le Rouge" de Montlhéry Comte de Rochefort-en-Yvelines1 b. c 1040, d. 1108
MotherElisabeth (?)1 b. c 1028, d. a 1104
Last Edited3 Oct 2020
     NN de Rochefort-en-Yvelines married Anseau de Garlande Comte de Rochefort.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:642.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Rochefort-en-Yvelines: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120975&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Benjamin Price1

M, #95239, b. 1709
FatherMordecai Price I1 b. c 1660, d. 8 May 1715
MotherMary Parsons1 b. 7 Jan 1660, d. bt 8 May 1718 - 15 Jun 1718
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     Benjamin Price was born in 1709.1 He married Elizabeth Hewett on 22 June 1730.1
     Benjamin Price is mentioned in the will of Mary Parsons on 8 May 1718; Per Find A Grave:
     "Mary died leaving a will dated: 8 May 1718,- Proved: 15 June 1718 naming children, John, Thomas, Benjamin, Stephen, Mordecai, Rachel, Hannah, Elizabeth wife of Thomas Carr, Leah Ford, Mary, and Sarah Price, and grand daughter Mary Carr; estate was admin. 4 Nov 1726, by Thomas Carr and named Dec's daughter Mary, w. of Jonathan Hanson; est. Was adm. 10 Nov. 1729, naming William Wheeler as the husband of Constant, widow and administrator. Of Stephen Price, and a daughter. Who married Thomas Taylor ; est. Was adm 25 May 1728; Mordecai and Mary had issue; Elizabeth, b. 1865, m. Thomas Carr on 22 Oct. 1705 at West River Meeting; Stephen, b. 1687; Mary, b. 1688/9, m. 1st. 29 Aug. 1718, Jonathan Hanson, and 2nd. Dr. George Walker; John b.1690; Leah, m. 1 Jan 1711 at All hallows Par., in A A Co. Md. to Thomas Ford;, Hannah, m. 1st. William Tipton, and 2nd John Bosley; Isabella, m. William Wheeler; Mordecai, b. 1702; Sarah, b.. April 1705, m. Thomas Taylor in Oct. 1725; Rachel, b. 1706, m. Dennis Garrett Cole; Benjamin, b. 1709, m. Elizabeth Hewett on 22 June 1730; Thomas, b. 1 Jan 1722; Samuel, b. 1713. So, really Mary Parson Price death should look more like this: Bef. 15 June 1718. It's unlikely that she died on the day of writing her will. It happens and it's possible, but the Date of death is probably more likely somewhere between the date of writing dated 8 May 1718 - the Proving of her will 15 June 1718. Submitted by Cathi Gross“.1

Citations

  1. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 04 October 2020), memorial page for Mordecai Price I (1660–8 May 1715), Find a Grave Memorial no. 33481544,; Maintained by Bonnie Huish (contributor 46938507) Unknown, at:
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33481544/mordecai-price. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.

Sarah Price1

F, #95242, b. April 1705
FatherMordecai Price I1 b. c 1660, d. 8 May 1715
MotherMary Parsons1 b. 7 Jan 1660, d. bt 8 May 1718 - 15 Jun 1718
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     Sarah Price was born in April 1705.1 She married Thomas Tyler in October 1725.1
     Sarah Price is mentioned in the will of Mary Parsons on 8 May 1718; Per Find A Grave:
     "Mary died leaving a will dated: 8 May 1718,- Proved: 15 June 1718 naming children, John, Thomas, Benjamin, Stephen, Mordecai, Rachel, Hannah, Elizabeth wife of Thomas Carr, Leah Ford, Mary, and Sarah Price, and grand daughter Mary Carr; estate was admin. 4 Nov 1726, by Thomas Carr and named Dec's daughter Mary, w. of Jonathan Hanson; est. Was adm. 10 Nov. 1729, naming William Wheeler as the husband of Constant, widow and administrator. Of Stephen Price, and a daughter. Who married Thomas Taylor ; est. Was adm 25 May 1728; Mordecai and Mary had issue; Elizabeth, b. 1865, m. Thomas Carr on 22 Oct. 1705 at West River Meeting; Stephen, b. 1687; Mary, b. 1688/9, m. 1st. 29 Aug. 1718, Jonathan Hanson, and 2nd. Dr. George Walker; John b.1690; Leah, m. 1 Jan 1711 at All hallows Par., in A A Co. Md. to Thomas Ford;, Hannah, m. 1st. William Tipton, and 2nd John Bosley; Isabella, m. William Wheeler; Mordecai, b. 1702; Sarah, b.. April 1705, m. Thomas Taylor in Oct. 1725; Rachel, b. 1706, m. Dennis Garrett Cole; Benjamin, b. 1709, m. Elizabeth Hewett on 22 June 1730; Thomas, b. 1 Jan 1722; Samuel, b. 1713. So, really Mary Parson Price death should look more like this: Bef. 15 June 1718. It's unlikely that she died on the day of writing her will. It happens and it's possible, but the Date of death is probably more likely somewhere between the date of writing dated 8 May 1718 - the Proving of her will 15 June 1718. Submitted by Cathi Gross“.1

Family

Thomas Tyler

Citations

  1. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 04 October 2020), memorial page for Mordecai Price I (1660–8 May 1715), Find a Grave Memorial no. 33481544,; Maintained by Bonnie Huish (contributor 46938507) Unknown, at:
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33481544/mordecai-price. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.

Thomas Tyler1

M, #95243
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     Thomas Tyler married Sarah Price, daughter of Mordecai Price I and Mary Parsons, in October 1725.1

Family

Sarah Price b. Apr 1705

Citations

  1. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 04 October 2020), memorial page for Mordecai Price I (1660–8 May 1715), Find a Grave Memorial no. 33481544,; Maintained by Bonnie Huish (contributor 46938507) Unknown, at:
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33481544/mordecai-price. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.

Samuel Price1

M, #95244, b. 1713
FatherMordecai Price I1 b. c 1660, d. 8 May 1715
MotherMary Parsons1 b. 7 Jan 1660, d. bt 8 May 1718 - 15 Jun 1718
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     Samuel Price was born in 1713.1

Citations

  1. [S2338] Ancestry.Com Family Trees, online http://trees.ancestry.com/, MYFAM~~4 000.FBK - Mordecai Price: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/64853677/person/44127365731. Hereinafter cited as Ancestry.Com Family Trees.

Richard Price1

M, #95245, b. 1555, d. November 1639
FatherRichard ap John Price2,3
MotherElizabeth Herbert3,4 d. 1574
ChartsAncestors - Ellen Downing VALENTINE
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     Richard Price married Ursula Middleton, daughter of David Middleton and Ellen Donne.5,3 Richard Price was born in 1555 at Newtowne (Newtown) Hall, Montgomeryshire, Wales, England.1,6
Richard Price died in November 1639 at Montgomeryshire, Wales, England; Per Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1555, Monmouthshire, Wales
DEATH     Nov 1639 (aged 83–84), Monmouthshire, Wales
     Richard Price was born abt 1555 in Manavon, Montgomeryshire, Wales. He was the son of Richard Price (1530-) and Elizabeth (Blayney) Price (1538-).
     Richard married Ursula Middleton (1560-1637) in 1582 in Wales. Ursula was the daughter of David Middleton (15335-) and Ellen (Donne) Middleton (1542-).
     Richard and Ursula Price were the parents of the following known children: Richard, William, Andrew, John, Thomas, Walter and Daniel.
     London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about Richard Price: Burial Date: 26 Nov 1639; Parish: St Mary, Whitechapel; County: Middlesex; Borough: Tower Hamlets; Record Type: Burial; Register Type: Parish Register.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Richard Price 1530–1601
     Spouse
          Ursula Middleton Price 1560–1637
     Children
          John Price 1584–1628
     BURIAL     Unknown
     Created by: Stella
     Added: 1 Jun 2014
     Find a Grave Memorial 130727945.6
     ; See attached images of record from Ancestry.com.7,1

Family

Ursula Middleton b. 1560, d. Aug 1637
Children

Citations

  1. [S4814] Document posted on Ancestry Tree: John Price 1584-1628, by tiredmom425; Ancestry.com; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Online https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/83731078/person/46494007540/media/3e0bbc14-f2b3-4264-968f-b6251872097c?_phsrc=QkD121&usePUBJs=true; unknown file name; Printout dated 4 Oct 2020, Image: https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/83731078/person/46494007540/media/3e0bbc14-f2b3-4264-968f-b6251872097c?_phsrc=QkD121&usePUBJs=true
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard ap John Price: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433084&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard Price: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433086&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Herbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433085&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ursula: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433087&tree=LEO
  6. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 04 October 2020), memorial page for Richard Price (1555–Nov 1639), Find a Grave Memorial no. 130727945,; Maintained by Stella (contributor 47848948) Unknown, at:
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/130727945/richard-price. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  7. [S2354] Ancestry.Com Web Site, online http://search.ancestry.com/, Ancestry.com. A brief visit with the old folks [database on-line]. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
    Original data: Taylor, George,. A brief visit with the old folks. La Grange, Ill.: unknown, 1975.
    Info: https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/25056/
    Image: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/25056/images/dvm_GenMono006466-00090-1?pId=143. Hereinafter cited as Ancestry.Com Web Site.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John Price: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433088&tree=LEO

John Price1,2

M, #95246, b. 1583/84, d. between 1628 and 1630
FatherRichard Price2,3 b. 1555, d. Nov 1639
MotherUrsula Middleton4 b. 1560, d. Aug 1637
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     John Price was born in 1583/84 at Wales, England.1,2
John Price died between 1628 and 1630 at Maryland, USA.1,2
     ; See attached images of record from Ancestry.com.1,3

Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestors and Descendants of John Price Immigrant to Virginia 1610-1611 Gateway Press, Baltimore, 1988, Price, Vina Chandler (compiler).2

John Price and Andrew Price immigrated in 1610 to Jamestown Colovy, James City Co., Virginia, USA; Per tookeep: "...emigratred from the Port of Cardiff, Wales to Jamestown in 1610, and the assumption is that the two brothers traveled together". Genealogics says immigrated 1611.3,2

; Per Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1584, Montgomery, Powys, Wales
     DEATH     Sep 1628 (aged 43–44), Henrico County, Virginia, USA
     John's parents were Richard Price and Ursula Middleton.
     John Price was born in 1584 in Manafon, Montgomeryshire, Wales. He was the son of Richard Price (1560-1638) and Ursula Middleton Price (1560-1637). John married Anne Baker (1604-1666) in Virginia in 1621. Anne was the daughter of Richard Baker and Margaret (Elkes) Baker.
     John and Anne Baker Price were the parents of the following 3 known children:
1.JOHN PRICE b. 1627, Henrico, VA, d. 1662, Henrico, VA. He married a daughter of John WALL. They had sons Daniel and John.
2.MARY PRICE was born October 1623 in Virginia. Said to have married Richard Cocke Sr of Bremo. Although these families were closely associated there is no proof of this marriage.
3.MATTHEW PRICE was born about 1626.

     23 May 1638. Patent granted Matthew Price as son and heir of John Price for 150 acres on Turkey Island Creek in Henrico Co. "granted by patent to his late father John Price, now in possession of his mother Ann Hallom, Widow - being due unto him in right of his father who had a patent granted 20 Feb 1619. PB 1, part 2, p.558
     John Price was born in 1584 and came to America in 1610/11, at a time when life was exceedingly hard and few survived. John Price was about twenty-seven years of age when he left Wales to come to America from the county of Montgomery or possibly Brecknock Wales. John Price and his family traveled on the Ships - The PROSPEROUS, The ELIZABETH and The STARR which made up the convoy of 300 people. The trip took three months to make the journey and they arrived in Virginia 22 May 1611.
     John Price settled in The Neck of Land Charles City. Indians fell suddenly, by night on settlers 22 March 1622 killing 347 people. The Indians burned their homes and plantations, almost defacing the beauty of the whole colony. John Price was listed as a survivor of the Indian massacre of 1622.
     John Price and his family lived among other famous settlers such as Captain John Smith who shouldered the biggest part of the responsibility of the settlement, John Rolfe and Pocahontas who left the settlement to return to England in 1616. This left 350 people behind living in six widely scattered and dangerously isolated communities.
     John Price also became known as an ancient "planter", meaning that any man who worked seven years "plus" for their "divedent" of 100 acres finally received their land. Many worked several additional years for possession of their land. This also made them eligible for another tract of land in the same amount.
     John Price was born in Brecknock Wales 1584-5 to Richard Price II, of Manovan and Ursula Middleton. John Price died in Virginia in 1628.
     Son and heir of Richard Price in an indenture 1610-1611 (British Museum, A.D.D. Charter 1036). Lineage of John Price approved by the order of Descendants of the Knights in the Garter in England. Descendants are eligible for membership in the National Society, Daughters of the Barons of Runnemede.
     Descendants are also eligible to join The Jamestowne Society.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Richard Price 1555–1639
          Ursula Middleton Price 1560–1637
     Spouse
          Mary Ann Mathews Price 1584–1666
     Children
          Thomas Price 1610–1701
          John Price 1627–1661
     BURIAL     Unknown
     Created by: Bonnie Huish
     Added: 2 Feb 2009
     Find a Grave Memorial 33482782.5

Citations

  1. [S2354] Ancestry.Com Web Site, online http://search.ancestry.com/, Ancestry.com. A brief visit with the old folks [database on-line]. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
    Original data: Taylor, George,. A brief visit with the old folks. La Grange, Ill.: unknown, 1975.
    Info: https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/25056/
    Image: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/25056/images/dvm_GenMono006466-00090-1?pId=143. Hereinafter cited as Ancestry.Com Web Site.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John Price: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433088&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S4814] Document posted on Ancestry Tree: John Price 1584-1628, by tiredmom425; Ancestry.com; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Online https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/83731078/person/46494007540/media/3e0bbc14-f2b3-4264-968f-b6251872097c?_phsrc=QkD121&usePUBJs=true; unknown file name; Printout dated 4 Oct 2020, Image: https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/83731078/person/46494007540/media/3e0bbc14-f2b3-4264-968f-b6251872097c?_phsrc=QkD121&usePUBJs=true
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ursula: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433087&tree=LEO
  5. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 04 October 2020), memorial page for John Price (1584–Sep 1628), Find a Grave Memorial no. 33482782,; Maintained by Bonnie Huish (contributor 46938507) Unknown, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33482782/john-price. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.

Ursula Middleton1,2

F, #95247, b. 1560, d. August 1637
FatherDavid Middleton2 b. 1535
MotherEllen Donne2 b. 1542
ChartsAncestors - Ellen Downing VALENTINE
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     Ursula Middleton married Richard Price, son of Richard ap John Price and Elizabeth Herbert.1,3 Ursula Middleton was born in 1560 at Wales, England.2
Ursula Middleton died in August 1637 at Wales, England; Per Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1560, Wales
     DEATH     Aug 1637 (aged 76–77), Wales
Ursula Middleton was born in 1560 in Montgomery, Wales. She was the daughter of David Middleton (15335-) and Ellen (Donne) Middleton (1542-). Ursula married Richard Price (1555-1639) in 1582 in Wales. Richard was the son of Richard Price (1530-) and Elizabeth (Blayney) Price (1538-). Richard and Ursula Price were the parents of the following known children: Richard, William, Andrew, John, Thomas, Walter and Daniel.
     Ursula died in Aug. 1937 in Montgomeryshire, Wales.
     West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812 about Ursula Middleton: Event Date: 16 Aug 1637; Event Type: Burial: Parish: Badsworth, St Mary the Virgin.
     Family Members
     Spouse
          Richard Price 1555–1639
     Children
          John Price 1584–1628
     BURIAL     Unknown
     Created by: Stella
     Added: 1 Jun 2014
     Find a Grave Memorial 130732515.2
Ursula Middleton was buried on 16 August 1637 at St. Mary the virgin, Badsworth, Yorkshire, England,

; Ancestry.com - West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812
     Name:     Ursula Middleton
     Event Type:     Burial
     Death Date:     abt 1637
     Burial Date:     16 Aug 1637
     Burial Place:     Badsworth, St Mary the Virgin, Yorkshire, England
     Parish as it Appears:     Badsworth, St Mary the Virgin
     Source Citation: West Yorkshire Archive Service; Wakefield, Yorkshire, England; Yorkshire Parish Records; New Reference Number: WDP19/1
     Source Information: Ancestry.com. West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
     Original data: Yorkshire Parish Records. Leeds, England: West Yorkshire Archive Service.4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestors and Descendants of John Price Immigrant to Virginia 1610-1611 Gateway Press, Baltimore, 1988, Price, Vina Chandler (compiler).1

Family

Richard Price b. 1555, d. Nov 1639
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ursula: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433087&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 04 October 2020), memorial page for Ursula Middleton Price (1560–Aug 1637), Find a Grave Memorial no. 130732515,; Maintained by Stella (contributor 47848948) Unknown, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/130732515/ursula-price. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard Price: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433086&tree=LEO
  4. [S2354] Ancestry.Com Web Site, online http://search.ancestry.com/, Info: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2256&h=5624593&ssrc=pt&tid=83731078&pid=46494007540&usePUB=true
    Image: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2256/images/32355_248885-00584?pId=5624593. Hereinafter cited as Ancestry.Com Web Site.

David Middleton1

M, #95248, b. 1535
ChartsAncestors - Ellen Downing VALENTINE
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     David Middleton married Ellen Donne.1 David Middleton was born in 1535.1

Family

Ellen Donne b. 1542
Child

Citations

  1. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 04 October 2020), memorial page for Ursula Middleton Price (1560–Aug 1637), Find a Grave Memorial no. 130732515,; Maintained by Stella (contributor 47848948) Unknown, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/130732515/ursula-price. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.

Ellen Donne1

F, #95249, b. 1542
ChartsAncestors - Ellen Downing VALENTINE
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     Ellen Donne married David Middleton.1 Ellen Donne was born in 1542.1

Family

David Middleton b. 1535
Child

Citations

  1. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 04 October 2020), memorial page for Ursula Middleton Price (1560–Aug 1637), Find a Grave Memorial no. 130732515,; Maintained by Stella (contributor 47848948) Unknown, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/130732515/ursula-price. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.

Sir Richard Herbert of Montgomery Castle1

M, #95250, b. circa 1468, d. 23 May 1539
FatherSir Richard Herbert of Coldbrooke, Abergavenny1 b. 1412, d. 27 Jul 1469
MotherMargaret ferch Thomas ap Gruffud1
ChartsAncestors - Ellen Downing VALENTINE
Last Edited4 Oct 2020
     Sir Richard Herbert of Montgomery Castle married Margred (?) ferch Gwilym Gwyn ap Rhys ap Philip ap Dafydd of Llwyhowel;
His 1st wife.2 Sir Richard Herbert of Montgomery Castle was born circa 1468.1 He married Annes ferch Dafydd ab Ieuan ap Llwyelyn Fychan in 1513;
His 2nd wife.3
Sir Richard Herbert of Montgomery Castle died on 23 May 1539.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 1999 . 2307.
2. Limbus Patrum Morganiae et Glamorganiae (1886), 443 , Clark, George T. 296.
3. Welsh Genealogies 300-1400. 8 vols. , Bartrum, Peter C. Godwin 8(B1).
4. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans, 2004 , Boyer, Carl 3rd. 169.1

Family 1

Margred (?) ferch Gwilym Gwyn ap Rhys ap Philip ap Dafydd of Llwyhowel
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Herbert, of Montgomery Castle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433082&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margred ferch Gwilym Gwyn ap Rhys ap Philip ap Dafydd of Llwyhowel: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00698152&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Annes ferch Dafydd ab Ieuan ap Llwyelyn Fychan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433083&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Katherine Herbert, of Montgomery: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00469438&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Herbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00433085&tree=LEO