Agnes de Joigny1,2

F, #18631, b. before 1157, d. circa 1188
FatherRenaud II/IV de Joigny Comte de Joigny1,3,2,4 d. bt 1161 - 1172
MotherAdèle/Adélaïde de Nevers5,4
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited28 Nov 2020
     Agnes de Joigny was born before 1157.1 She married Simon (?) de Broyes, seigneur de Beaufort, son of Simon I (?) seigneur de Broyes et de Beaufort and Felicite (?) de Brienne, circa 1172.2,1

Agnes de Joigny died circa 1188.1,2
     EDV-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 149.2

Family

Simon (?) de Broyes, seigneur de Beaufort d. a 1187
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Broyes 1 page (The Family de Broyes): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/broyes1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Joigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139466&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Renard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139464&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamsensjoi.htm#RenaudJoignydied11641172. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adèle de Nevers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139465&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Felicité de Broyes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00111044&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamchalons.htm#FeliciteBroyesdied1244
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, seigneurs de Broyes & Commercy, Sarrebrücken, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Broyes.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Geoffroi IV de Joinville Senechal de Champagne1

M, #18632, b. circa 1140, d. August 1190
FatherGeoffroi III de Joinville Senechal de Champagne1 d. 1188
MotherFelicite (?) de Brienne2 d. a 21 Jun 1178
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Geoffroi IV de Joinville Senechal de Champagne married Helvide de Dampierre, daughter of Guy I de Dampierre Vcte de Troyes, sn de Dampierre and Helvide de Baudément.3,1
Geoffroi IV de Joinville Senechal de Champagne was born circa 1140.1
Geoffroi IV de Joinville Senechal de Champagne died in August 1190 at Acre, HaTzafon (Northern District), Palestine (Israel now).3,1
     EDV-22.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 6.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroi III de Joinville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026593&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I30072
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders4.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Simon de Joinville: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026597&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamdampjo.htm#SimonJoinvilledied1233. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Helvide de Dampierre1

F, #18633
FatherGuy I de Dampierre Vcte de Troyes, sn de Dampierre2,1 d. 1151
MotherHelvide de Baudément3 d. 1165
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited7 Oct 2020

Family

Geoffroi IV de Joinville Senechal de Champagne b. c 1140, d. Aug 1190
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders4.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy I de Dampierre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028289&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helvide de Baudement: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028290&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroi III de Joinville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026593&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Simon de Joinville: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026597&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamdampjo.htm#SimonJoinvilledied1233. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Guy III de Vignory Sire de Vignory1

M, #18634, d. before 1126
FatherGuy II "le Rouge" de Vignory3
MotherHildegarde (?)2
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited9 Nov 2020
     Guy III de Vignory Sire de Vignory married Beatrix/Beatrice (?) de Bourgogne, daughter of Henri (?) Duke of Burgundy and Sibylle/Sybilla (?) of Barcelona.4,1

Guy III de Vignory Sire de Vignory died before 1126.1
     EDV-26.

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: II 24
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 79
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XV 197.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy III de Vignory: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026646&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hildegarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00201732&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II 'le Rouge' de Vignory: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00201731&tree=LEO
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 9 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet9.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Audiarde|Aldearde de Vignory: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026645&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy IV de Vignory: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00201733&tree=LEO

Beatrix/Beatrice (?) de Bourgogne1

F, #18635, b. 1063
FatherHenri (?) Duke of Burgundy1 b. c 1035, d. bt 1066 - 1074
MotherSibylle/Sybilla (?) of Barcelona1 b. c 1035, d. 7 Apr 1074
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited20 Oct 2020
     Beatrix/Beatrice (?) de Bourgogne married Guy III de Vignory Sire de Vignory, son of Guy II "le Rouge" de Vignory and Hildegarde (?).1,2
Beatrix/Beatrice (?) de Bourgogne was born in 1063.1
     EDV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 9 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet9.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy III de Vignory: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026646&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Audiarde|Aldearde de Vignory: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026645&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy IV de Vignory: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00201733&tree=LEO

Erard I de Brienne Comte de Brienne1,2,3,4

M, #18636, d. between 1114 and 1125
FatherGauthier I de Brienne Count de Brienne5,3,4 d. c 1090
MotherEustache (?) de Bar-sur-Seine5,3,4
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Erard I de Brienne Comte de Brienne married Alix de Montdidier Dame de Ramerupt, daughter of André I de Ramerupt Sire de Ramerupt et d'Arcis-sur-Aube and Adèle/Adelisa (?), before 1108.6,7,3,4,8,9,10,11

Erard I de Brienne Comte de Brienne died between 1114 and 1125; Genealogics says d. 1114; Genealogy.EU and Med Lands say d. 1114/25.5,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 206.3

; This is the same person as ”Erard I, Count of Brienne” at Wikipedia and as ”Érard Ier de Brienne” at Wikipédia (FR).12,13 EDV-25.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ERARD [I] de Brienne (-[1114/25], bur Montier-en-Der). A note of a donation by "Hugo comes Trecorum" to "Monasterium Arremari" is included in a charter dated 1113, signed by "Milo comes Barri, Ayrardus frater eius comes Brenie"[30]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Brienne. "Airardus comes Brinensis" confirmed donations of "pater meus Walterius comes" to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "mater mea et due sorores mee" by charter dated to [1085/95][31]. He took part in the First Crusade in 1097[32]. "Airardus comes Brinensis filius Walterii comitis" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "matre sua Eustachia comitissa et uxore sua [blank], necnon et Milone fratre suo comite de Barro" by charter dated to [1085/1111][33]. "Airardus Breonensis comes…et comitem Barrensem Milonem fratrem suum" are named in a charter dated [1125 or before], in which "Walterii nepotis sui filii Airardi defuncti comitis" is named, clarifying that Comte Erard was then deceased[34].
     "m ALIX de Montdidier, daughter of ANDRE de Montdidier Seigneur de Ramerupt & his first wife Adela --- (-1143 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Erardus…comes Brenensis" as "unam filiarum comitis Andree de Archeis et de Ramerut" but does not name her[35]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis specifies that one daughter (unnamed, mentioned first) of "Andreas comes de Rameruth" married "Aerardo comiti Briennensi"[36]. The primary source which names her has not yet been identified. She founded the abbey of Bassefontaine with her son Gauthier in 1143[37]."
Med Lands cites:
[30] Montiéramey 18, p. 30.
[31] Molesme, Tome II, 117, p. 119.
[32] Sturdza (1999), p. 507.
[33] Molesme, Tome II, 134, p. 131.
[34] Montiérender 72, p. 197.
[35] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1107, MGH SS XXIII, p. 818.
[36] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 13, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[37] ES III 681.4


; Per Racines et Histoire (Brienne): “Evrard (Erard) 1er de Brienne ° ~1070 + 1114/25 croisé (1097) comte de Brienne (1095), seigneur de Ramerupt
     ép. dès 1108 Alix (Adélaïde) de Roucy-Ramerupt + un 11/05 après 1143 (fille d’André de MontdidierRoucy, seigneur de Ramerupt, et d’Alix de Châlons)”

Per Racines et Histoire (Roucy): “1) Alix de Roucy dame de Ramerupt
     ép. Erard 1er, comte de Brienne + 1114 (fils de Gautier 1er de Brienne et d’Eustachie, comtesse de Bar-sur-Seine)”.8,9

; Per Genealogy.EU (Brienne 1): “C2. Cte Evrard I de Brienne, went on Crusade ca 1097, +1114/25; m.Alix, dau.of Andre de Montdidier, sn de Ramerupt”.14

; Information clarifying the wife of Erard I:
     1) [GA Vaut QUERY] Leo van de Pas (at http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028302&tree=LEO) shows Erard to have had one mother of his children, but doesn't clearly state that they were married: Agnes de Baudement, dau. of Andre, seigneur de Baudement et Braine and Agnes. Leo generally cites "The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 206" for all data related to Erard I; presumably including the identification of his spouse.
     Miroslav Marek (at http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html) identifies Erard's wife (and mother of his children) as "Alix, dau. of Andre de Montdidier, seigneur de Ramerupt". Miroslav cites no source for this identification.
     2) [Leo van de Pas reply - van de Pas email 15 Jan 2004] Sadly, I can only work from secondary sources and, also sadly, Turton is known to have a fair (unfair ?) number of errors. Miroslav Marek, I think, is correct. I double checked with ES Volume III band 4, tafels 677 and 681. Alix's mother is indicated to be Adéle, Andre's first wife.
     3) [Peter Stewart reply - Stewart email 15 Jan 2004] My notes agree with Miroslav - Érard I, count of Brienne married Alix, called de Rosnay, dame of Ramerupt, daughter of André de Montdidier, count of Arcies, seigneur of Ramerupt & an unknown wife. Their elder son Gauthier II, count of Brienne & seigneur of Ramerupt married first Humbeline de Baudement, daughter of André, seigneur of Baudement & his wife Agnès of unknown family. The main source for this was Joseph Roserot de Melin, _La diocèse de Troyes des origines à nos jours (IIIe siècle—1955)_ (Troyes, 1957). I think ES used this work too, but can't explain why the information there was different.
     4) [Peter Stewart further comment - Stewart email 16 Jan 2004] This can be explained, I think - on checking I see it wasn't ES making the mistake picked up by Leo, but rather Turton whose source for the error was _Trésor de chronologie_ by Louis de Mas Latrie (Paris, 1889).
     Mas Latrie cited Henri d'Arbois de Jubainville for the Brienne lineage, and apparently had misread a charter summary in 'Catalogue d'actes des comtes de Brienne 950-1356', _Bibliothèque de l'École des chartes_ 33 (1872) no. 42 p. 151: "1146....Jacques, seigneur de Chassenay, donne à l'abbaye de Bassefontaine sa part de la dîme de Bligny, par le conseil de Gautier, comte de Brienne, de la mère et de la femme du dit comte, savoir: Agnès de Baudement et A., comtesse de Brienne, dame du dit seigneur de Chassenay".
     I presume that Mas Latrie took these two ladies to be respectively the mother and wife of Count Gautier, and therefore made Agnès de Baudement the wife of Gautier's father Count Érard I. However, the order in naming the ladies was evidently reversed, and the meaning from "par le conseil..." must actually be "by the counsel of Gautier, count of Brienne, of the count's wife, to wit Agnès de Baudement, of the count's mother, to wit A[lix de Montdidier, dame of Ramerupt], countess of Brienne, lady of the said seigneur of Chassenay".
     Alix de Montdidier's mother apparently was Adelise, mentioned as wife of André, count of Ramerupt & Arcies in a charter printed by Henri d'Arbois de Jubainville in 'Les premiers seigneurs de Ramerupt', _Bibliothèque de l'École des chartes_ 21 (1861) p. 453: "Andreas, comes de Rameruco...pro anima uxoris suae Adelisae".
     There can be no doubt that Alix, dame of Ramerupt was the wife of Érard I, count of Brienne and mother of his heir Gautier. In another charter printed with the article cited above on the seigneurs of Ramerupt, p. 457, dated 1147, Count Gautier refers to André as his grandfather: "Andreas comes avus et predecessor meus". This has to be read literally, since there is nowhere else that André could belong in Gautier's ancestry.15,16,17

; Per Med Lands:
     "ALIX de Ramerupt (-1143 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis specifies that one daughter (unnamed, mentioned first) of "Andreas comes de Rameruth" married "Aerardo comiti Briennensi"[652]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Erardus…comes Brenensis" as "unam filiarum comitis Andree de Archeis et de Ramerut" but does not name her[653]. Dame de Ramerupt.
     "m ERARD [I] Comte de Brienne, son of GAUTHIER [I] Comte de Brienne & his wife Eustachie Ctss de Bar-sur-Seine (-[1114/25], bur Montier-en-Der)."
Med Lands cites:
[652] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 13, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[653] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1107, MGH SS XXIII, p. 818.11


; Per Weis: “Alix de Rameru (71A-27), Dame of Rameru; m. Erard I, Count of Brienne, son of Gautier (son of Englebert), d. 1090, by Eustace de Bar-sur-Seine, dau. of Milo I, Count of Tonnerre, d. 1046. (Theodore Evergates, Feudal Society in the Baillage of Troyes under the Counts of Champagne (1975), 164-165, 196-197).”.7 He was Comte de Brienne between 1090 and 1114.13

; Per Genealogy.EU (Brienne 1): “went on Crusade”.5

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32486
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Erard I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028302&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#ErardIBriennedied11141125. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  6. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32487
  7. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 151A-24, p. 147. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Brienne, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brienne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de ROUCY & comtes de Reims, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Roucy.pdf
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028303&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamdampjo.htm#AlixMontdidierMErardIBrienne
  12. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erard_I,_Count_of_Brienne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  13. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Érard Ier de Brienne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89rard_Ier_de_Brienne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, de Brienne Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  15. [S1552] Leo van de Pas, "van de Pas email 15 Jan 2004 "Re: Erard I, Comte de Brienne (d. 1114)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "van de Pas email 15 Jan 2004."
  16. [S1554] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 16 Jan 2004 "Re: Erard I, Comte de Brienne (d. 1114)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/N7ZRK36f5X4/m/mmw2QzkTQDwJ) to e-mail address, 16 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 16 Jan 2004."
  17. [S1553] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 15 Jan 2004 "Re: Erard I, Comte de Brienne (d. 1114)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 15 Jan 2004."
  18. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Baudément.pdf, p. 2.
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gauthier II, Comte de Brienne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028300&tree=LEO
  20. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#GautierIIBriennedied1161B

Alix de Montdidier Dame de Ramerupt1,2,3,4,5

F, #18637, d. after 1143
FatherAndré I de Ramerupt Sire de Ramerupt et d'Arcis-sur-Aube1,6,3,4,5 d. a 1118
MotherAdèle/Adelisa (?)7,8,3,4,5
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Alix de Montdidier Dame de Ramerupt married Erard I de Brienne Comte de Brienne, son of Gauthier I de Brienne Count de Brienne and Eustache (?) de Bar-sur-Seine, before 1108.9,3,10,11,12,13,4,5

Alix de Montdidier Dame de Ramerupt died after 1143; Raciines et Histoire (Brienne) says d. aft 1143; Med Lands says d. 1143 or after.12,5
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ERARD [I] de Brienne (-[1114/25], bur Montier-en-Der). A note of a donation by "Hugo comes Trecorum" to "Monasterium Arremari" is included in a charter dated 1113, signed by "Milo comes Barri, Ayrardus frater eius comes Brenie"[30]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Brienne. "Airardus comes Brinensis" confirmed donations of "pater meus Walterius comes" to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "mater mea et due sorores mee" by charter dated to [1085/95][31]. He took part in the First Crusade in 1097[32]. "Airardus comes Brinensis filius Walterii comitis" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "matre sua Eustachia comitissa et uxore sua [blank], necnon et Milone fratre suo comite de Barro" by charter dated to [1085/1111][33]. "Airardus Breonensis comes…et comitem Barrensem Milonem fratrem suum" are named in a charter dated [1125 or before], in which "Walterii nepotis sui filii Airardi defuncti comitis" is named, clarifying that Comte Erard was then deceased[34].
     "m ALIX de Montdidier, daughter of ANDRE de Montdidier Seigneur de Ramerupt & his first wife Adela --- (-1143 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Erardus…comes Brenensis" as "unam filiarum comitis Andree de Archeis et de Ramerut" but does not name her[35]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis specifies that one daughter (unnamed, mentioned first) of "Andreas comes de Rameruth" married "Aerardo comiti Briennensi"[36]. The primary source which names her has not yet been identified. She founded the abbey of Bassefontaine with her son Gauthier in 1143[37]."
Med Lands cites:
[30] Montiéramey 18, p. 30.
[31] Molesme, Tome II, 117, p. 119.
[32] Sturdza (1999), p. 507.
[33] Molesme, Tome II, 134, p. 131.
[34] Montiérender 72, p. 197.
[35] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1107, MGH SS XXIII, p. 818.
[36] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 13, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[37] ES III 681.11


; Per Racines et Histoire (Brienne): “Evrard (Erard) 1er de Brienne ° ~1070 + 1114/25 croisé (1097) comte de Brienne (1095), seigneur de Ramerupt
     ép. dès 1108 Alix (Adélaïde) de Roucy-Ramerupt + un 11/05 après 1143 (fille d’André de MontdidierRoucy, seigneur de Ramerupt, et d’Alix de Châlons)”

Per Racines et Histoire (Roucy): “1) Alix de Roucy dame de Ramerupt
     ép. Erard 1er, comte de Brienne + 1114 (fils de Gautier 1er de Brienne et d’Eustachie, comtesse de Bar-sur-Seine)”.12,13

; Per Genealogy.EU (Brienne 1): “C2. Cte Evrard I de Brienne, went on Crusade ca 1097, +1114/25; m.Alix, dau.of Andre de Montdidier, sn de Ramerupt”.14

; Information clarifying the wife of Erard I:
     1) [GA Vaut QUERY] Leo van de Pas (at http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028302&tree=LEO) shows Erard to have had one mother of his children, but doesn't clearly state that they were married: Agnes de Baudement, dau. of Andre, seigneur de Baudement et Braine and Agnes. Leo generally cites "The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 206" for all data related to Erard I; presumably including the identification of his spouse.
     Miroslav Marek (at http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html) identifies Erard's wife (and mother of his children) as "Alix, dau. of Andre de Montdidier, seigneur de Ramerupt". Miroslav cites no source for this identification.
     2) [Leo van de Pas reply - van de Pas email 15 Jan 2004] Sadly, I can only work from secondary sources and, also sadly, Turton is known to have a fair (unfair ?) number of errors. Miroslav Marek, I think, is correct. I double checked with ES Volume III band 4, tafels 677 and 681. Alix's mother is indicated to be Adéle, Andre's first wife.
     3) [Peter Stewart reply - Stewart email 15 Jan 2004] My notes agree with Miroslav - Érard I, count of Brienne married Alix, called de Rosnay, dame of Ramerupt, daughter of André de Montdidier, count of Arcies, seigneur of Ramerupt & an unknown wife. Their elder son Gauthier II, count of Brienne & seigneur of Ramerupt married first Humbeline de Baudement, daughter of André, seigneur of Baudement & his wife Agnès of unknown family. The main source for this was Joseph Roserot de Melin, _La diocèse de Troyes des origines à nos jours (IIIe siècle—1955)_ (Troyes, 1957). I think ES used this work too, but can't explain why the information there was different.
     4) [Peter Stewart further comment - Stewart email 16 Jan 2004] This can be explained, I think - on checking I see it wasn't ES making the mistake picked up by Leo, but rather Turton whose source for the error was _Trésor de chronologie_ by Louis de Mas Latrie (Paris, 1889).
     Mas Latrie cited Henri d'Arbois de Jubainville for the Brienne lineage, and apparently had misread a charter summary in 'Catalogue d'actes des comtes de Brienne 950-1356', _Bibliothèque de l'École des chartes_ 33 (1872) no. 42 p. 151: "1146....Jacques, seigneur de Chassenay, donne à l'abbaye de Bassefontaine sa part de la dîme de Bligny, par le conseil de Gautier, comte de Brienne, de la mère et de la femme du dit comte, savoir: Agnès de Baudement et A., comtesse de Brienne, dame du dit seigneur de Chassenay".
     I presume that Mas Latrie took these two ladies to be respectively the mother and wife of Count Gautier, and therefore made Agnès de Baudement the wife of Gautier's father Count Érard I. However, the order in naming the ladies was evidently reversed, and the meaning from "par le conseil..." must actually be "by the counsel of Gautier, count of Brienne, of the count's wife, to wit Agnès de Baudement, of the count's mother, to wit A[lix de Montdidier, dame of Ramerupt], countess of Brienne, lady of the said seigneur of Chassenay".
     Alix de Montdidier's mother apparently was Adelise, mentioned as wife of André, count of Ramerupt & Arcies in a charter printed by Henri d'Arbois de Jubainville in 'Les premiers seigneurs de Ramerupt', _Bibliothèque de l'École des chartes_ 21 (1861) p. 453: "Andreas, comes de Rameruco...pro anima uxoris suae Adelisae".
     There can be no doubt that Alix, dame of Ramerupt was the wife of Érard I, count of Brienne and mother of his heir Gautier. In another charter printed with the article cited above on the seigneurs of Ramerupt, p. 457, dated 1147, Count Gautier refers to André as his grandfather: "Andreas comes avus et predecessor meus". This has to be read literally, since there is nowhere else that André could belong in Gautier's ancestry.15,16,17

; Per Genealogics: "In 1143 she founded the Abbey at Bassefontaine”.4 EDV-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/4:677.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "ALIX de Ramerupt (-1143 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis specifies that one daughter (unnamed, mentioned first) of "Andreas comes de Rameruth" married "Aerardo comiti Briennensi"[652]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "Erardus…comes Brenensis" as "unam filiarum comitis Andree de Archeis et de Ramerut" but does not name her[653]. Dame de Ramerupt.
     "m ERARD [I] Comte de Brienne, son of GAUTHIER [I] Comte de Brienne & his wife Eustachie Ctss de Bar-sur-Seine (-[1114/25], bur Montier-en-Der)."
Med Lands cites:
[652] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 13, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[653] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1107, MGH SS XXIII, p. 818.5


; Per Weis: “Alix de Rameru (71A-27), Dame of Rameru; m. Erard I, Count of Brienne, son of Gautier (son of Englebert), d. 1090, by Eustace de Bar-sur-Seine, dau. of Milo I, Count of Tonnerre, d. 1046. (Theodore Evergates, Feudal Society in the Baillage of Troyes under the Counts of Champagne (1975), 164-165, 196-197).”.3 She was living in 1108.4

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
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  3. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 151A-24, p. 147. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028303&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020642&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adèle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174690&tree=LEO
  9. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32487
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  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#ErardIBriennedied11141125
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  16. [S1554] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 16 Jan 2004," e-mail to e-mail address, 16 Jan 2004.
  17. [S1553] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 15 Jan 2004 "Re: Erard I, Comte de Brienne (d. 1114)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 15 Jan 2004."
  18. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Baudément.pdf, p. 2.
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  20. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#GautierIIBriennedied1161B

André de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne1,2,3

M, #18638, b. circa 1075, d. 19 July 1142
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited5 Nov 2020
     André de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne married Agnes (?) Dame de Braine, daughter of Gautier (ou Hugues ?) (?) comte de Braine and Ade (?) de Soissons.2,3,4
André de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne was born circa 1075.4
André de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne died on 19 July 1142.2,3,4
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Kwartierstaten compiled during WWII in the office of De Nederlandsche Leeuw , Drs. Arie Veth
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 51.2 EDV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Andre de Baudement: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028296&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Baudément.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Comtes d'Eu, p. 2.
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  6. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I33038
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humbeline de Baudement: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00452682&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#HumbelineBaudementMGauthierIIBrienne. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Baudement: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028303&tree=LEO

Agnes (?) Dame de Braine1

F, #18639, b. circa 1080
FatherGautier (ou Hugues ?) (?) comte de Braine2 b. c 1040
MotherAde (?) de Soissons2 b. bt 1058 - 1059
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited19 Oct 2020
     Agnes (?) Dame de Braine married André de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne.3,4,5
Agnes (?) Dame de Braine was born circa 1080.2
     EDV-24 GKJ-25.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028297&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes d'Eu, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Andre de Baudement: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028296&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Baudément.pdf, p. 2.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Comtes d'Eu, p. 2.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helvide de Baudement: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028290&tree=LEO
  7. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I33038
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humbeline de Baudement: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00452682&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#HumbelineBaudementMGauthierIIBrienne. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Baudement: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028303&tree=LEO

Alix (?) dame de Braine1,2

F, #18640
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited19 Oct 2020

Citations

  1. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005: "Le Bouteiller/Breaute (Baillon)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ) to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Baudément.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Comtes d'Eu, p. 2.
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31977
  5. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Baudement: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00013795&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Baudément, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Baudement.pdf
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#AgnesBrainedied1217. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Helvide de Baudément1,2

F, #18641, d. 1165
FatherAndré de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne1,3,2 b. c 1075, d. 19 Jul 1142
MotherAgnes (?) Dame de Braine1,4,2 b. c 1080
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited5 Nov 2020
     Helvide de Baudément married Hugues de Chacenay seigneur de Montréal, son of Milon de Chacenay Seigneur de Chacenay and Adelaide (?),
;
Her 1st husband.5,6,7,8 Helvide de Baudément married Hélie de Montmirail
; her 1st husband.2 Helvide de Baudément married Guy I de Dampierre Vcte de Troyes, sn de Dampierre, son of Thibault I de Dampierre and Isabel/Elizabeth de Montlhéry, between 1120 and 1125
;
Her 2nd husband.9,10,2,6,8
Helvide de Baudément died in 1165; religieuse à Jully-Les-Nonnains.1,2
     EDV-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Kwartierstaten compiled during WWII in the office of De Nederlandsche Leeuw , Drs. Arie Veth.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 202.6


; Per Racines et Histoire: "Helvide (Helvise) de Baudément + 1165 religieuse à Jully-Les-Nonnains (citée chartes 1142, témoin donation au prieuré d’Ulmoy par Guéraud de Orchara attestée par Boson, Evêque de Chalon 1157)
ép. 1) Hélie de Montmirail
ép. 2) Hugues de Chacenay, seigneur de Montréal + avant 1119 (fils de Milon, seigneur de Chacenay, et d’Adélaïde)
ép. 3) ~1120/25 Gui 1er, seigneur de Dampierre, Vicomte de Troyes + 1151 (fils de Thibaud, seigneur de Dampierre-sur-Aube, et d’Elisabeth de Montlhéry.)11 "

; Per Med Lands:
     "HELVIDE (-1165). “Hugo de Monteregali dominus et uxor eius Aluysa” donated “terram...Campum-Leuve...juxta fluvium...Senain” to Fontemoy abbey by charter dated 9 Apr 1119[838]. "Domina Montis Regali…Alaisa" ratified donations to Fontenoy after the death of "viri sui Hugonis" by undated charter[839]. "Eluidis Montis regali domina" donated property to Jully-les-Nonnains, with the consent of "Anserici filii sui", by charter dated 1129[840]. "Guido de Dampetra…et uxor eius…Elvidis et filii Anserici et Guillelmus" approved the donation by "Lethericus de Baudimonto" to the Templars at Provins, by charter dated 1133[841]. "Aelidis uxor Widonis domini de Brana post mortem viri sui…Guidonis" donated "census…Branæ castri et Branellæ villæ" to the Premonstré abbey, with the consent of "patre eorum Andrea de Baldimento et matre eorum Agnetis et ipsorum fratre Waleranno Vrsicampi abbate et sororibus eorum Helwide et Hubelina et earum maritis Waltero comiti de Brienna et Guidone de Dampierre", by charter dated 1144[842]. Nun at Jully-les-Nonnains, although it is assumed that Helvide left the convent soon afterwards in light of her marriages. "Simon dominus Belfortis" confirmed donations to Chapelle-aux-Planches, in the presence of "Hugone fratre meo domino de Brecis...domini Wilermi domini de Dampetra et Milonis de Planceii", by charter dated 1152, witnessed by “...Wilermus dominus de Dampetra et Heleidis mater eius...”[843]. "Hadevilde ctssa de Dampierre, Helye Renaud son avunculus…Beatrix femme d'Helye" witnessed a declaration by Bozon Bishop of Chalon dated 1157 concerning a donation to the priory of Ulmoy by Guérau de Orchara[844].
     "m firstly HUGUES Seigneur de Montréal, son of [MILON Seigneur de Chacenay & his wife Adelaide ---] (-after 9 Apr 1119).
     "m secondly ([1120/25]) GUY [I] Seigneur de Dampierre et de Saint-Dizier Vicomte de Troyes, son of THIBAUT Seigneur de Dampierre-sur-Aube & his wife Elisabeth de Montlhéry (-1151)."
Med Lands cites:
[839] Petit, E. (1888) Histoire des ducs de Bourgogne de la race Capétienne (Paris), Vol. II, p. 481.
[840] Petit, Vol. II, p. 480.
[841] Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes 1858, 4e série, t. 4, p. 185.
[842] Du Chesne (1631) Dreux, Dreux, Preuves, p. 233, quoting Extrait du cartulaire de l’abbaye de Premonstré, de censibus Branæ et Branellæ.
[843] Chapelle-aux-Planches, 11, p. 11.
[844] Ulmoy, p. 121.8

Family 1

Hélie de Montmirail

Family 2

Hugues de Chacenay seigneur de Montréal d. b 1119
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helvide de Baudement: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028290&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028297&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Montréal: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028291&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Helvide de Baudement: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028290&tree=LEO
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Guy I de Dampierre Vcte de Troyes, sn de Dampierre1,2,3

M, #18642, d. 1151
FatherThibault I de Dampierre1,4,2,3 d. bt 1106 - 1107
MotherIsabel/Elizabeth de Montlhéry5,2,3
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Guy I de Dampierre Vcte de Troyes, sn de Dampierre married Helvide de Baudément, daughter of André de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne and Agnes (?) Dame de Braine, between 1120 and 1125
;
Her 2nd husband.2,1,3,6,7
Guy I de Dampierre Vcte de Troyes, sn de Dampierre died in 1151.2,1
     ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Helvide (Helvise) de Baudément + 1165 religieuse à Jully-Les-Nonnains (citée chartes 1142, témoin donation au prieuré d’Ulmoy par Guéraud de Orchara attestée par Boson, Evêque de Chalon 1157)
ép. 1) Hélie de Montmirail
ép. 2) Hugues de Chacenay, seigneur de Montréal + avant 1119 (fils de Milon, seigneur de Chacenay, et d’Adélaïde)
ép. 3) ~1120/25 Gui 1er, seigneur de Dampierre, Vicomte de Troyes + 1151 (fils de Thibaud, seigneur de Dampierre-sur-Aube, et d’Elisabeth de Montlhéry.)8 "
; Per Med Lands:
     "HELVIDE (-1165). “Hugo de Monteregali dominus et uxor eius Aluysa” donated “terram...Campum-Leuve...juxta fluvium...Senain” to Fontemoy abbey by charter dated 9 Apr 1119[838]. "Domina Montis Regali…Alaisa" ratified donations to Fontenoy after the death of "viri sui Hugonis" by undated charter[839]. "Eluidis Montis regali domina" donated property to Jully-les-Nonnains, with the consent of "Anserici filii sui", by charter dated 1129[840]. "Guido de Dampetra…et uxor eius…Elvidis et filii Anserici et Guillelmus" approved the donation by "Lethericus de Baudimonto" to the Templars at Provins, by charter dated 1133[841]. "Aelidis uxor Widonis domini de Brana post mortem viri sui…Guidonis" donated "census…Branæ castri et Branellæ villæ" to the Premonstré abbey, with the consent of "patre eorum Andrea de Baldimento et matre eorum Agnetis et ipsorum fratre Waleranno Vrsicampi abbate et sororibus eorum Helwide et Hubelina et earum maritis Waltero comiti de Brienna et Guidone de Dampierre", by charter dated 1144[842]. Nun at Jully-les-Nonnains, although it is assumed that Helvide left the convent soon afterwards in light of her marriages. "Simon dominus Belfortis" confirmed donations to Chapelle-aux-Planches, in the presence of "Hugone fratre meo domino de Brecis...domini Wilermi domini de Dampetra et Milonis de Planceii", by charter dated 1152, witnessed by “...Wilermus dominus de Dampetra et Heleidis mater eius...”[843]. "Hadevilde ctssa de Dampierre, Helye Renaud son avunculus…Beatrix femme d'Helye" witnessed a declaration by Bozon Bishop of Chalon dated 1157 concerning a donation to the priory of Ulmoy by Guérau de Orchara[844].
     "m firstly HUGUES Seigneur de Montréal, son of [MILON Seigneur de Chacenay & his wife Adelaide ---] (-after 9 Apr 1119).
     "m secondly ([1120/25]) GUY [I] Seigneur de Dampierre et de Saint-Dizier Vicomte de Troyes, son of THIBAUT Seigneur de Dampierre-sur-Aube & his wife Elisabeth de Montlhéry (-1151)."
Med Lands cites:
[839] Petit, E. (1888) Histoire des ducs de Bourgogne de la race Capétienne (Paris), Vol. II, p. 481.
[840] Petit, Vol. II, p. 480.
[841] Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes 1858, 4e série, t. 4, p. 185.
[842] Du Chesne (1631) Dreux, Dreux, Preuves, p. 233, quoting Extrait du cartulaire de l’abbaye de Premonstré, de censibus Branæ et Branellæ.
[843] Chapelle-aux-Planches, 11, p. 11.
[844] Ulmoy, p. 121.7
He was Vicomte de Troyes.2

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 202
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/1 51.2 EDV-24.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders4.html
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  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel de Monthléry: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028294&tree=LEO
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  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume I de Dampierre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028287&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Dampierre-sur-l'Aube: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208123&tree=LEO

Thibault I de Dampierre1,2

M, #18643, d. between 1106 and 1107
FatherViter/Gauthier (?) de Moeslain3,1,2 d. c 1080
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited7 Nov 2020
     Thibault I de Dampierre married Isabel/Elizabeth de Montlhéry, daughter of Milon/Miles I "le Grand" de Montlhéry seigneur de Montlhery et de Chevreuse, Vcte de Troyes and Lithuaise/Louise (?) Vicomtesse de Troyes.1,2,4,5

Thibault I de Dampierre died between 1106 and 1107.1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 202
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/1 50.2 EDV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders4.html
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  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Viter/Gauthier de Moeslain: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028292&tree=LEO
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Isabel/Elizabeth de Montlhéry1,2,3

F, #18644
FatherMilon/Miles I "le Grand" de Montlhéry seigneur de Montlhery et de Chevreuse, Vcte de Troyes4,5 b. 1035, d. a 1102
MotherLithuaise/Louise (?) Vicomtesse de Troyes6 b. c 1060, d. a 1070
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Isabel/Elizabeth de Montlhéry married Thibault I de Dampierre, son of Viter/Gauthier (?) de Moeslain.2,7,1,3

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 202
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 114.1

; Elizabeth; m.Thibaut de Dampierre.3 EDV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel de Monthléry: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028294&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders4.html
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Monthlery page ("Family de Monthléry"): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/mtlery.html#M2
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32482
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parcorroc.htm#MilonMontlherydiedafter1102. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32483
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibault I de Dampierre-sur-l'Aube: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028293&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy I de Dampierre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028289&tree=LEO
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Milon/Miles I "le Grand" de Montlhéry seigneur de Montlhery et de Chevreuse, Vcte de Troyes1,2

M, #18645, b. 1035, d. after 1102
FatherGuy I 'Troussel' de Montlhéry Seigneur de Monthléry et Chevreuse, Chatelain de Rochefort-en-Yvelines3,1,2 b. bt 1009 - 1010, d. 1095
MotherHodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté Dame de Bures et de La Ferté-Alais1,2,4,5 b. c 1014, d. 12 Jul 1074
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Milon/Miles I "le Grand" de Montlhéry seigneur de Montlhery et de Chevreuse, Vcte de Troyes was born in 1035.6 He married Lithuaise/Louise (?) Vicomtesse de Troyes, daughter of Guillaume II Busac (?) Comte d'Eu, Hiemois, Soissons et Troyes and Adélaide/Aelis/Adelais de Soissons Cts de Troyes et de Soissons, in 1070
;      Her 2nd husband.2,1,7,6,8
Milon/Miles I "le Grand" de Montlhéry seigneur de Montlhery et de Chevreuse, Vcte de Troyes died after 1102; Racines et Histoire says poss d. 1118.1,2,6,8
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 624.9

; Per Genealogy.EU: "Milon I "le Grand" dit de Bray, sn de Montlhéry et de Chevreuse, Vcte de Troyes, went on the First Crusade, +after 1102; m. Vcts Litause de Troyes."1

; Per Genealogics:
     "Milon was the son of Gui I de Montlhéry, seigneur de Montlhéry et Chevreuse, and Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté. He was lord of Montlhéry from 1095 until his death.
     "The identity of Milon's first wife is unknown. His second wife was Lituaise, vicomtesse de Troyes, daughter of Etienne, comte de Blois. This marriage was unusually disproportionate for a noble of such low status as Milon, but it allowed the comte de Blois to extend his influence over territory between his domains near the Loire (Blois and Chartres) and his domains in Champagne (Meaux and Troyes). Due to this connection, Milon was made vicomte de Troyes.
     "He and Lituaise had at least four children, but only a daughter of unknown name is recorded as having progeny. Milon died after 1102."9 EDV-26.

; Per Med Lands:
     "MILON "le Grand" de Bray, son of GUY [I] de Montlhéry & his wife Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté (-after 1102). The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[953]. "Guido de Monte Leherico" donated property to Notre-Dame de Longpont, confirmed by "filii mei Milo et Guido et conjux mea Hodierna", by charter dated to [1070][954]. Seigneur de Montlhéry. Vicomte de Troyes. "Domnus Milo et uxor sua Litvisa" confirmed the donation of "terram de Ver" to Notre-Dame de Longpont, on the point of leaving for Jerusalem, confirmed by "filius meus Guido", by charter dated to [1095], later confirmed by "domnus Guido Trossellus et mater sua Letvisa"[955]. The Chronicon Mauriniacense records the foundation of the abbey, dated to [1095], and early donations including the donation of “ecclesias de Firmitate Balduini” made by “Guido Trosellus” with the consent of “uxore sua Adelaide et patre suo Milone vicecomite et matre sua vicecomitissa”[956]. Albert of Aix records that "…Milo…de Braio, Wido pariter rufus capite…" joined with the Lombard contingent on the second wave of the First Crusade, dated to late 1100 from the context[957].
     "m LITHUAISE Vicomtesse de Troyes, daughter of ---. "Domnus Milo et uxor sua Litvisa" confirmed the donation of "terram de Ver" to Notre-Dame de Longpont, on the point of leaving for Jerusalem, confirmed by "filius meus Guido", by charter dated to [1095], later confirmed by "domnus Guido Trossellus et mater sua Letvisa"[958]. The Chronicon Mauriniacense records the foundation of the abbey, dated to [1095], and early donations including the donation of “ecclesias de Firmitate Balduini” made by “Guido Trosellus” with the consent of “uxore sua Adelaide et patre suo Milone vicecomite et matre sua vicecomitissa”[959]. A supplementary section of the necrology of Longpont includes a reference to the anniversary of “donni Guidonis Trosselli et Mabilie uxoris ipsius XVII Kal Apr” and their donations, as well as to “anniversarius autem donni Milonis junioris fratris istius Guidonis...VI Kal Mai celebratitur cum Milone patre suo et Letuisa matre sua et Rainaldo episcopo fratre suo” as well as his donation[960].
     "Milon & his wife had [ten] children."
Med Lands cites:
[953] Ex continuatione Historiæ Aimoni Monachi Floriacensis, RHGF, Tome XI, p. 275.
[954] Longpont Notre-Dame, XLVIII, p. 95.
[955] Longpont Notre-Dame, CCII, p. 185.
[956] Chronique de Morigny, Livre I, II, p. 3.
[957] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber VIII, Cap. VI, p. 563.
[958] Longpont Notre-Dame, CCII, p. 185.
[959] Chronique de Morigny, Livre I, II, p. 3.
[960] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Longpont, p. 529.8


; Per Racines et Histoire:
Montlhéry, p. 3: "Miles 1er (Milon) dit «de Bray» (II de Montlhéry) “Le Grand” °~1035/40 +X 13/07/1102 (Rames, Palestine) seigneur de Montlhéry et de Chevreuse, vicomte de Troyes croisé (1096 & 1101)
     ép. Lithu(a)ise de Troyes, vicomtesse de Troyes ° ~1050 + 1112"
Comtes d’Eu, p. 2: "Lithuaise de Troyes ° ~1060 + après 1070 (~1112 ?) vicomtesse de Troyes
ép.1) Geoffroi III de Donzy + 1157
ép. 2) ~1070 Milon 1er «Le Grand» de Chevreuse seigneur de Bray, Chevreuse et La Ferté, vicomte de Troyes ° ~1035 + après 1102 (1118 ?)10,11"

Citations

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  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106273&tree=LEO
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Lithuaise/Louise (?) Vicomtesse de Troyes1,2,3,4,5

F, #18646, b. circa 1060, d. after 1070
FatherGuillaume II Busac (?) Comte d'Eu, Hiemois, Soissons et Troyes3,6,7 b. c 1020, d. 1076
MotherAdélaide/Aelis/Adelais de Soissons Cts de Troyes et de Soissons3,5,6,8 b. c 1042, d. 1105
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Lithuaise/Louise (?) Vicomtesse de Troyes was born circa 1060.5 She married Milon/Miles I "le Grand" de Montlhéry seigneur de Montlhery et de Chevreuse, Vcte de Troyes, son of Guy I 'Troussel' de Montlhéry Seigneur de Monthléry et Chevreuse, Chatelain de Rochefort-en-Yvelines and Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté Dame de Bures et de La Ferté-Alais, in 1070
;      Her 2nd husband.9,2,1,5,10
Lithuaise/Louise (?) Vicomtesse de Troyes died after 1070; Racines et Histoire says d. aft 1102 (1118?)3,5
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "MILON "le Grand" de Bray, son of GUY [I] de Montlhéry & his wife Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté (-after 1102). The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[953]. "Guido de Monte Leherico" donated property to Notre-Dame de Longpont, confirmed by "filii mei Milo et Guido et conjux mea Hodierna", by charter dated to [1070][954]. Seigneur de Montlhéry. Vicomte de Troyes. "Domnus Milo et uxor sua Litvisa" confirmed the donation of "terram de Ver" to Notre-Dame de Longpont, on the point of leaving for Jerusalem, confirmed by "filius meus Guido", by charter dated to [1095], later confirmed by "domnus Guido Trossellus et mater sua Letvisa"[955]. The Chronicon Mauriniacense records the foundation of the abbey, dated to [1095], and early donations including the donation of “ecclesias de Firmitate Balduini” made by “Guido Trosellus” with the consent of “uxore sua Adelaide et patre suo Milone vicecomite et matre sua vicecomitissa”[956]. Albert of Aix records that "…Milo…de Braio, Wido pariter rufus capite…" joined with the Lombard contingent on the second wave of the First Crusade, dated to late 1100 from the context[957].
     "m LITHUAISE Vicomtesse de Troyes, daughter of ---. "Domnus Milo et uxor sua Litvisa" confirmed the donation of "terram de Ver" to Notre-Dame de Longpont, on the point of leaving for Jerusalem, confirmed by "filius meus Guido", by charter dated to [1095], later confirmed by "domnus Guido Trossellus et mater sua Letvisa"[958]. The Chronicon Mauriniacense records the foundation of the abbey, dated to [1095], and early donations including the donation of “ecclesias de Firmitate Balduini” made by “Guido Trosellus” with the consent of “uxore sua Adelaide et patre suo Milone vicecomite et matre sua vicecomitissa”[959]. A supplementary section of the necrology of Longpont includes a reference to the anniversary of “donni Guidonis Trosselli et Mabilie uxoris ipsius XVII Kal Apr” and their donations, as well as to “anniversarius autem donni Milonis junioris fratris istius Guidonis...VI Kal Mai celebratitur cum Milone patre suo et Letuisa matre sua et Rainaldo episcopo fratre suo” as well as his donation[960].
     "Milon & his wife had [ten] children."
Med Lands cites:
[953] Ex continuatione Historiæ Aimoni Monachi Floriacensis, RHGF, Tome XI, p. 275.
[954] Longpont Notre-Dame, XLVIII, p. 95.
[955] Longpont Notre-Dame, CCII, p. 185.
[956] Chronique de Morigny, Livre I, II, p. 3.
[957] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber VIII, Cap. VI, p. 563.
[958] Longpont Notre-Dame, CCII, p. 185.
[959] Chronique de Morigny, Livre I, II, p. 3.
[960] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Longpont, p. 529.10


; Per Med Lands:
     "LITHUAISE . Vicomtesse de Troyes. "Domnus Milo et uxor sua Litvisa" confirmed the donation of "terram de Ver" to Notre-Dame de Longpont, on the point of leaving for Jerusalem, confirmed by "filius meus Guido", by charter dated to [1095], later confirmed by "domnus Guido Trossellus et mater sua Letvisa"[79]. The Chronicon Mauriniacense records the foundation of the abbey, dated to [1095], and early donations including the donation of “ecclesias de Firmitate Balduini” made by “Guido Trosellus” with the consent of “uxore sua Adelaide et patre suo Milone vicecomite et matre sua vicecomitissa”[80]. A supplementary section of the necrology of Longpont includes a reference to the anniversary of “donni Guidonis Trosselli et Mabilie uxoris ipsius XVII Kal Apr” and their donations, as well as to “anniversarius autem donni Milonis junioris fratris istius Guidonis...VI Kal Mai celebratitur cum Milone patre suo et Letuisa matre sua et Rainaldo episcopo fratre suo” as well as his donation[81].
     "m MILON Seigneur de Montlhéry, son of GUY [I] de Montlhéry & his wife Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté (-after 1102). Vicomte de Troyes."
Med Lands cites:
[79] Longpont Notre-Dame, CCII, p. 185.
[80] Chronique de Morigny, Livre I, II, p. 3.
[81] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Longpont, p. 529.11


; NB: There is some diagreement regarding the parents of the Lithuaise (var. sp.) who m. Milon I 'le Gran':
     Genealogics calls her "Lithuaise de Blois" and says that her father was Stephen, comte de Blois et Chartres (c1045-1102) and Adela of Normandy.
     Med Lands calls her "LITHUAISE, Vicomtesse de Troyes: and shows no parents for her.
     Wikipedia (Eng.) says she was "Lithuise de Blois, Vicomtesse de Troyes, daughter of William Busac, Count of Soissons (c. 1084 - 1118)"
     Wikipedia (Fr.) says she was "Lithuise de Soissons, fille de Guillaume Busac d'Eu, comte de Soissons, et d'Adélaïde de Soissons (on l'a confondue avec Adélaïde/Adela/Lithuise, une fille d'Étienne-Henri de Blois, comte de Blois, de Chartres et de Meaux)"
     Racines et HIstoire (Montlhéry, p. 3) calls her "Lithu(a)ise de Troyes, vicomtesse de Troyes" and shows no parents for her.
     Racines et HIstoire (Troyes, p. 4) shows the Etienne de Blois and "Adèle d’Angleterre (ou de Normandie)"that Genealgocs assigns as Lithuaise's parents, but shows no offspring for them.
On the basis of these sources, I have selected to assign her father as William/Guillaume II Busac. GA Vaut.12,11,13,14,15,16

; Per Genealogy.EU: "Lithuaise de Troyes, +after 1070; 1m: by 1057 Geoffrey III de Donzy (+1157); 2m: ca 1070 Miles I "le Grand", sn de Bary, Chevreuse et la Ferte, Vcte de Troyes (+1118.)3" EDV-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: 2:46.12

; Per Racines et Histoire:
Montlhéry, p. 3: "Miles 1er (Milon) dit «de Bray» (II de Montlhéry) “Le Grand” °~1035/40 +X 13/07/1102 (Rames, Palestine) seigneur de Montlhéry et de Chevreuse, vicomte de Troyes croisé (1096 & 1101)
     ép. Lithu(a)ise de Troyes, vicomtesse de Troyes ° ~1050 + 1112"
Comtes d’Eu, p. 2: "Lithuaise de Troyes ° ~1060 + après 1070 (~1112 ?) vicomtesse de Troyes
ép.1) Geoffroi III de Donzy + 1157
ép. 2) ~1070 Milon 1er «Le Grand» de Chevreuse seigneur de Bray, Chevreuse et La Ferté, vicomte de Troyes ° ~1035 + après 1102 (1118 ?)13,6"

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lituaise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106274&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Monthlery page ("Family de Monthléry"): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/mtlery.html#M2
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  7. [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, Comte Guillaume de Soissons, "Busac": https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I113747&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
  8. [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Adelaide de Soissons: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I390239&tree=1
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon I de Monthléry dit de Bray: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106096&tree=LEO
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  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamtroyes.htm#LithuaiseMMilonMontlhery
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  14. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_I_of_Montlh%C3%A9ry. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Milon Ier de Montlhéry: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milon_Ier_de_Montlh%C3%A9ry. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  16. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 2 Apr 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  17. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32483
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  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Monthléry: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106095&tree=LEO
  22. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Mtlery page (Family de Monthlery): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/mtlery.html

Elisabeth (?)1

F, #18647, b. circa 1028, d. after 1104
FatherHildouin IV de Montdidier comte de Montdidier, seigneur de Ramerupt, d’Arcis et de Breteuil, comte de Roucy2 b. c 1010, d. c 1063
MotherAdele (Adelix) de Roucy2 b. c 1014, d. 1062
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited3 Oct 2020
     Elisabeth (?) married Guy II "le Rouge" de Montlhéry Comte de Rochefort-en-Yvelines, son of Guy I 'Troussel' de Montlhéry Seigneur de Monthléry et Chevreuse, Chatelain de Rochefort-en-Yvelines and Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté Dame de Bures et de La Ferté-Alais,
;
His 1st wife.1,3,4,5,6 Elisabeth (?) was born circa 1028.2
Elisabeth (?) died after 1104.2
      ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Gui II de Montlhéry “Le Rouge” (Gui 1er de Rochefort) °1037 +1108 seigneur puis comte de Rocheforten-Yvelines (avant 1095), seigneur de Châteaufort, Crécy-en-Bray, Bréthencourt et Gournaysur-Marne, Sénéchal de France (1091-1096 ou 1104/06 ?), croisé (1096, 1101-1104) puis moine
ép. 1) Elisabeth dame de Rochefort (citée en 1059/1067)
ép. 2) ~1080 Adelaïde (Aélis, Elisabeth) de Crécy ° ~1055 + un 12/10 après 1104 comtesse de Corbeil, dame de Crécy-en-Brie (77) et Gournaysur-Marne (93) (veuve de Bouchard II de Montmorency, comte de Corbeil ~1070 +X dès 1078 par EtienneHenri, comte de Blois) (citée dans une charte de donation de terres à Mortcerf par Bouchard en faveur de Saint-Martin de Pontoise - 1080.)7" GAV-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:624.5 She was living in 1059.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106269&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31916
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Monthlery page ("Family de Monthléry"): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/mtlery.html#M2
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gui II 'le Rouge' de Monthléry: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106268&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106269&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parcorroc.htm#GuyIIMontlheryRochefortdied1108B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
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  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Rochefort-en-Yvelines: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120975&tree=LEO

Hodierne/Ermesende de Montlhéry1,2,3

F, #18648
FatherGuy I 'Troussel' de Montlhéry Seigneur de Monthléry et Chevreuse, Chatelain de Rochefort-en-Yvelines4,5,6,2,3 b. bt 1009 - 1010, d. 1095
MotherHodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté Dame de Bures et de La Ferté-Alais5,1,2,7,3 b. c 1014, d. 12 Jul 1074
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited30 Apr 2020
     Hodierne/Ermesende de Montlhéry married Gauthier II de Saint-Valéry Seigneur de Saint-Valéry, son of Bernard I/II de Saint-Valéry Seigneur de Saint-Valéry, between 1065 and 1070.2,8,9,10,3

     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 178.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 624.4


; Per Med Lands:
     "HODIERNE [Ermesende] (-25 Mar ----). The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[947]. The identity of Hodierne’s husband is uncertain, but from a chronological point of view he could have been Gauthier. The necrology of Longpont records the death "IX Kal Aug" of "Guido institutor hujus loci. Guido vicecomes; Adalaidis comitissa, uxor; Wido filius eius", a supplementary section adding a further reference to the anniversary of “donni Guidonis senioris hujus loci institutoris et Guidonis comitis filii eius...IX Kal Aug” as well as the anniversary of “donne Hodierne uxoris ipsius Guidonis senioris et Ermensendis de Sancto Galarico filie amborum...VII Kal Apr” with a reference to her visit to Cluny where “beato Hugoni abbati” gave her “calicem...aureum”[948]. In another passage, the necrology of Longpont records the death "VIII Kal Apr" of "domine Hodierne de Sancto Galarico"[949].
     "m [GAUTHIER Seigneur de Saint-Valéry-en-Caux, son of BERNARD [I] Seigneur de Saint-Valéry & his wife --- (-after [1098])]."
Med Lands cites:
[947] Ex continuatione Historiæ Aimoni Monachi Floriacensis, RHGF, Tome XI, p. 275.
[948] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Longpont, pp. 525 and 529.
[949] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Longpont, p. 522.3
GAV-27 EDV-27.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Montlhéry, p. 3): "Hodierne de Montlhéry
     ép. Gautier II de Saint-Valéryen-Caux, croisé (1096) "
Per Racines et Histoire (Saint-Valéry, Auffay, p. 2): "Gautier de Saint-Valéry + après 1098 (1111 ?) X 1066 (Hastings) (reçoit les fiefs de Isleworth et d’Hampton en Middlesex et Creeting en Suffolk)
     ép.~1065/70 Hodierne (alias Ermesende, Elisabeth) de Montlhéry + un 25/03 (fille de Gui 1er «Le Grand», seigneur de Montlhéry (91), Chevreuse (78), Rochefort (78) et Châteaufort (78), et d’Hodierne de Gometz (-Le-Châtel), dame de Bures (91) et de La Ferté-Alais (91.)11,9"

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hodierne de Monthléry: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00314187&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gui I de Monthléry: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106272&tree=LEO
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  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gauthier de St. Valéry: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00314186&tree=LEO
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  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#GauthierStValerydiedafter1098
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Gauthier II de Saint-Valéry Seigneur de Saint-Valéry1,2

M, #18649, b. circa 1035, d. after 1098
FatherBernard I/II de Saint-Valéry Seigneur de Saint-Valéry3,4,5,6,7 d. c 1107
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited30 Apr 2020
     Gauthier II de Saint-Valéry Seigneur de Saint-Valéry was born circa 1035 at Vimeu, Ponthieu, Normandy, France.8 He married Hodierne/Ermesende de Montlhéry, daughter of Guy I 'Troussel' de Montlhéry Seigneur de Monthléry et Chevreuse, Chatelain de Rochefort-en-Yvelines and Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté Dame de Bures et de La Ferté-Alais, between 1065 and 1070.9,3,4,5,10

Gauthier II de Saint-Valéry Seigneur de Saint-Valéry died after 1098 at Palestine; Racines et Histoire (Saint-Valéry, Auffay) says d. "aft 1098 (1111?)"; Med Lands says d. aft 1098.8,5,4
      ; Per Racines et Histoire (Montlhéry, p. 3): "Hodierne de Montlhéry
     ép. Gautier II de Saint-Valéryen-Caux, croisé (1096) "
Per Racines et Histoire (Saint-Valéry, Auffay, p. 2): "Gautier de Saint-Valéry + après 1098 (1111 ?) X 1066 (Hastings) (reçoit les fiefs de Isleworth et d’Hampton en Middlesex et Creeting en Suffolk)
     ép.~1065/70 Hodierne (alias Ermesende, Elisabeth) de Montlhéry + un 25/03 (fille de Gui 1er «Le Grand», seigneur de Montlhéry (91), Chevreuse (78), Rochefort (78) et Châteaufort (78), et d’Hodierne de Gometz (-Le-Châtel), dame de Bures (91) et de La Ferté-Alais (91.)11,4" GAV-27 EDV-27.

; Per Med Lands:
     "GAUTHIER de Saint-Valéry (-after [1098]). Orderic Vitalis names “Bernardum patrem Gualterii de Sancto-Gualerico et Ricardum de Huglevilla” as the son of “Gulbertus cognomento advocatus de Sancto Gualerico” and his wife “filiam Ricardi ducis”[696]. Domesday Book records that “Walter de Saint-Valery” held Isleworth and Hampton in Middlesex; Creeting in Suffolk[697]. William of Tyre names "Walterius de Sancto Valerius Bernardusque filius eius" among those present at the capture of Nikaia in 1097[698]. Murray suggests that Gauthier de Saint-Valéry and his son Bernard were the same persons who are named by Albert of Aix as "…Walterus de Domedart et eius filius Bernardus…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia[699], suggesting that "Domedart" indicates a toponym derived from the saint’s name "domnus Medardus" and that it could indicate Domart-en-Ponthieu[700]. Albert of Aix records "…Reinardus de Hamersbach, Walterus de Domedart" as those who guarded Adhémar Bishop of Le Puy into the mountains towards the port of Simeon after finding the holy lance, dated to mid-1098 from the context[701].
     "m [HODIERNE [Ermesende] de Montlhéry, daughter of GUY "le Grand" Seigneur de Montlhéry & his wife Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté (-[25 Mar] ----). The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[702]. The identity of Hodierne’s husband is uncertain, but from a chronological point of view he could have been Gauthier. The necrology of Longpont records the death "IX Kal Aug" of "Guido institutor hujus loci. Guido vicecomes; Adalaidis comitissa, uxor; Wido filius eius", a supplementary section adding a further reference to the anniversary of “donni Guidonis senioris hujus loci institutoris et Guidonis comitis filii eius...IX Kal Aug” as well as the anniversary of “donne Hodierne uxoris ipsius Guidonis senioris et Ermensendis de Sancto Galarico filie amborum...VII Kal Apr” with a reference to her visit to Cluny where “beato Hugoni abbati” gave her “calicem...aureum”[703]. In another passage, the necrology of Longpont records the death "VIII Kal Apr" of "domine Hodierne de Sancto Galarico"[704].]"
Med Lands cites:
[696] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber III, VIII, p. 42.
[697] Domesday Translation, Middlesex, XII, p. 365, Suffolk, LI, p. 1290.
[698] William of Tyre II.I, p. 33.
[699] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber II, Cap. XXIII, p. 316.
[700] Murray (2000), p. 232.
[701] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber IV, Cap. XLVII, p. 422.
[702] Ex continuatione Historiæ Aimoni Monachi Floriacensis, RHGF XI, p. 275.
[703] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Longpont, pp. 525 and 529.
[704] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Longpont, p. 522.5


Reference: Genealogics cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975, Turton, Lt. Col. W. H., Reference: 178.3

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Walter of Saint-Valéry (d. after 1098), son of Bernard I of Saint-Valéry. Lord of Isleworth and Hampton in Middlesex, Creeting in Suffolk. Walter was a participant in the First Crusade, accompanying Robert of Normandy as a member of Robert's army. He was present at the siege of Nicaea in 1097. He guarded Adhemar of Le Puy in the mountains near the port of Simeon after finding what was thought to be the Holy Lance.
     "Walter married Hodierna of Montlhéry, daughter of Guy I of Montlhéry and Hodierna of Gometz. Walter and Hodierna had two sons:
Bernard II of Saint-Valéry
Eudon of Saint-Valéry.
     "Both Bernard II and Eudon took the cross and participated in the First Crusade. Bernard II was present with his father at the siege of Nicaea.
Sources
** Runciman, Steven, A History of the Crusades, Volume I: The First Crusade and the Foundation of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, Cambridge University Press, London, 1951
** Riley-Smith, Jonathan, The First Crusaders, 1095-1131, Cambridge University Press, 1997
** La Monte, John L., The Lords of Le Puiset on the Crusades, Speculum, 1942
** Chibnall, Marjorie (translator), The Ecclesiastical History of Orderic Vitalis, Oxford Medieval Texts, Oxford, 1968–1980
** Edgington, Susan, Albert of Aachen: Historia Ierosolimitana, History of the Journey to Jerusalem, Clarendon Press, 2007 (available on Google Books.)12" Gauthier II de Saint-Valéry Seigneur de Saint-Valéry was also known as Gauthier de St. Valéry Seigneur de Saint-Valéry.13 He was living in 1066.3 He was
Per Database of Crusaders:
     Walter unknown of Saint-Valery-sur-Somme
     Country and Region of OriginFrance?Haute-Normandie (RE) Seine-Maritime (D)
     Specific Title     Lord of Saint-Valery and Viscount of Domart-en-Ponthieu
     Role     Lord (lay)?
     Gender and Marital Statusa     Male
     Family     son: Bernard (First Crusader)
Crusades
     Expedition     1st Crusade (1096-1099)?
     Contingent Leader     Robert Curthose of Normandy?
     Probability of Participation     Certain
     Consequences of Expedition     Survived
     Sources     AA, pp. 98-99, 234-237, 320-321. BB, p. 33. OV, vol. 5, pp. 34-5, 58-9. WT, p. 330.
(See Databse website Bibliography for details of sources) between 1096 and 1099.14

Citations

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  8. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31985
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Monthlery page ("Family de Monthléry"): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/mtlery.html#M2
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  12. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_of_Saint-Val%C3%A9ry. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
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Alix/Adele/Adeline de Montlhéry Dame de Villepreux1,2,3

F, #18650, d. after 1097
FatherGuy I 'Troussel' de Montlhéry Seigneur de Monthléry et Chevreuse, Chatelain de Rochefort-en-Yvelines2,4,3,5 b. bt 1009 - 1010, d. 1095
MotherHodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté Dame de Bures et de La Ferté-Alais6,2,3,7,5 b. c 1014, d. 12 Jul 1074
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Alix/Adele/Adeline de Montlhéry Dame de Villepreux married Hugues I 'Blavons' (?) Chatelian du Puiset, Vicomte de Chartres, son of Erard I de Breteuil Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres and Humberge de Broyes (?).8,1,2,3,9,10

Alix/Adele/Adeline de Montlhéry Dame de Villepreux died after 1097.1,2,9
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 659.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "ALIX (-after 1097). The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[940]. Dame de Villepreux. "…Mater eius Adelicia…" are named in the charter dated 1095 under which "Ebrardus de Puteolo monachus noster" donated property with "nepotem suum…Ebrardum de Puteolo"[941].
     "m HUGUES [I] "Blavons" de Breteuil, son of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge --- (-23 Dec 1094). Vicomte de Chartres."
Med Lands cites:
[940] Ex continuatione Historiæ Aimoni Monachi Floriacensis, RHGF, Tome XI, p. 275.
[941] Marmoutier-Dunois, Cartæ Prioratuum Dunensium, CXLIX, p. 137.9


; Per Racines et Histoire (Montlhéry, p. 3): "Alice ou Alix de Montlhéry dame de Villepreux ° ~1044 + après 1097
     ép. (1065) Hugues 1er «Blavons» de Breteuil dit du Puiset, vicomte de Chartres + 23/12/1094 (fils d’Erard comte de Breteuil, vicomte de Chartres, et d’Humberge)"
Per Racines et Histoire (Breteuil, p. 3): "Hugues 1er de Breteuil dit «Blavons» ou «du Puiset» ° ~1035 + 23/12/1094 comte de Breteuil, châtelain du Puiset (28, 1067), vicomte de Chartres (28, 1073)
     ép. Alix de (Bray-) Montlhéry, dame de Villepreux (78) ° ~1040/41 + 1097 (fille de Gui 1er de Montlhéry, seigneur de Montlhéry et Rochefort (78), et d’Hodierne de Gometz (-Le-Châtel), dame de Bures (-sur-Yvette, 91) et de La Ferté (-Alais, 91, en partie.)11,12"

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [I] "Blavons" de Breteuil, son of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge --- (-23 Dec, 1096 or after). "…Gerduini vicecomitis, Ebrardi filii eius, Ebrardi filii Ebrardi, Hugonis fratris eius, Adeladis sororis eorum…" signed the charter dated to [1046/64] under which "Gelduinus…vicecomes" donated a serf to Marmoutier[63]. "Ebrardus, Carnotensium vicecomes" donated a family of servants to "Carnotensi monasterio Sancti Petri", for the souls of "uxorisque meæ Hunbergæ et filiorum meorum", by undated charter signed by "Ebrardi vicecomitis, Ebrardi filii eius, Hugonis filii eius, Huncbergæ uxoris eius…"[64]. His parentage is confirmed by the necrology of Chartres cathedral which records the death "II Id Feb" of "Ebrardus vicecomes Gilduini filius", stating that "Ebrardus filius eius et Hugo" donated property for his soul[65]. Châtelain du Puiset 1067. Vicomte de Chartres 1073. An undated charter records that “Hugonem cognomine Bardulfum cum uxore sua Elisabeth” donated “terram in pago Carnotense...Soors” to Coulombs, that after the death of Elisabeth “nepos eius...Hugo cognomine Blavons” retook the land, but that “Ebrardus frater eiusdem Hugonis, Majoris-Monasterii monachus” protested, the result being that the names of Hugues “et fratres eius Ebrardus et Galerannus, simulque pater eorum...Evrardus” were written into the necrology of Coulombs[66]. The donation of property to "sancti Petro" by "Hugo vicecomes" is recorded in a charter dated 1096, subscribed by "Adelidis uxor vicecomitis, filii eorum, Ebrardus, Hugo, Guiddo et filia Unberga"[67].
     "m ALIX de Montlhéry, daughter of GUY [I] Seigneur de Montlhéry & his wife Hodierne dame de Gometz et de la Ferté-Alais (-after 1097). The donation of property to "sancti Petro" by "Hugo vicecomes" is recorded in a charter dated 1096, subscribed by "Adelidis uxor vicecomitis, filii eorum, Ebrardus, Hugo, Guiddo et filia Unberga"[68]. The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[69]. Dame de Villepreux. "…Mater eius Adelicia…" are named in the charter dated 1095 under which "Ebrardus de Puteolo monachus noster" donated property with "nepotem suum…Ebrardum de Puteolo"[70]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified."
Med Lands cites:
[63] Grandmaison (1865), LI, p. 49.
[64] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XXXII, p. 159.
[65] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Nécrologe du xi siècle, p. 7.
[66] Dion ‘Le Puiset’ (1889), p. 13.
[67] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Octavus, Cap. XV, p. 240.
[68] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Octavus, Cap. XV, p. 240.
[69] Ex continuatione Historiæ Aimoni Monachi Floriacensis, RHGF, Tome XI, p. 275.
[70] Marmoutier-Dunois, Cartæ Prioratuum Dunensium, CXLIX, p. 137.10

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix de Monthléry: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199408&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Monthlery page ("Family de Monthléry"): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/mtlery.html#M2
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  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#HuguesIBreteuilChartresPuisetdied1094B
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Hugues I 'Blavons' (?) Chatelian du Puiset, Vicomte de Chartres1,2,3,4

M, #18651, d. 23 December 1096
FatherErard I de Breteuil Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres1,5,6,7 d. c 1064
MotherHumberge de Broyes (?)1,8,5,7 d. a 1048
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Hugues I 'Blavons' (?) Chatelian du Puiset, Vicomte de Chartres married Alix/Adele/Adeline de Montlhéry Dame de Villepreux, daughter of Guy I 'Troussel' de Montlhéry Seigneur de Monthléry et Chevreuse, Chatelain de Rochefort-en-Yvelines and Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté Dame de Bures et de La Ferté-Alais.1,9,10,11,12,5

Hugues I 'Blavons' (?) Chatelian du Puiset, Vicomte de Chartres died on 23 December 1096.10,5,4
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ALIX (-after 1097). The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[940]. Dame de Villepreux. "…Mater eius Adelicia…" are named in the charter dated 1095 under which "Ebrardus de Puteolo monachus noster" donated property with "nepotem suum…Ebrardum de Puteolo"[941].
     "m HUGUES [I] "Blavons" de Breteuil, son of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge --- (-23 Dec 1094). Vicomte de Chartres."
Med Lands cites:
[940] Ex continuatione Historiæ Aimoni Monachi Floriacensis, RHGF, Tome XI, p. 275.
[941] Marmoutier-Dunois, Cartæ Prioratuum Dunensium, CXLIX, p. 137.12


; Per Wikipedia:
     "Hugh I of Le Puiset (died 23 December 1096), son of Everard I of Breteuil and his wife Humberge.[1]
     "In 1067, taking advantage of the weakness of Philip I of France, he seized the royal castle of Puiset and settled there. In 1073, Theobald III, Count of Blois, became Count of Chartres and did not hesitate to defy royal order, defeating the royal army in 1079 at Le Puiset. He took as prisoner Ivo, Bishop of Chartres, and kept him confined for two years.
     "Hugh married Alice of Monthléry, daughter of Guy I, lord of Monthléry, and Hodierna de Gometz.[2] The family of Montlhéry was also part of the turbulent nobility that King Louis VI would have to put down a generation later.[citation needed] The alliances of the Montlhéry Clan formed a broad network of nobles who engaged heavily in the Crusades.
     "Hugh and Alice had at least nine children:
** Odeline of Puiset (d. before 2 November 1107), married Joscelin IV of Lèves, a Crusader.[2] Their daughter (name unknown) married Ralph the Red of Pont-Echanfray.
** Éverard III, Seigneur of Puiset, Viscount of Chartres[1]
** Hugh II, Seigneur of Puiset, Count of Jaffa (as Hugh I of Jaffa)[1]
** Guy of Puiset (d. 1127 of after), Canon of Chartres, Seigneur of Méréville, Viscount d’Étampes[1]
** Gilduin (d. 1135), Monk at Saint-Martin-des-Champs, Prior at Lurey-Le-Bourg, Abbot at Notre-Dame du Val, Josaphat[1]
** Waleran (Galéran) (d. in prison 1126), made lord of Birecik in 1116 after its capture by Baldwin II.[3] Married the daughter of the previous lord, Abu'lgharib.
** Raoul of Puiset[1]
** Humberge of Le Puiset, married Walo II of Beaumont-sur-Oise, Viscount of Chaumont-en-Vexin.[1] Their son Drogo was an early ancestor of the counts of Dammartin.[citation needed]
** Eustachie.[1]

     "Hugh established a priory of Marmountier at Le Puiset.[4] See also the Houses of Montlhéry and Le Puiset.
Notes
1. La Monte & January 1942, p. 100-101.
2. La Monte & January 1942, p. 100–101.
3. Runciman 1951, p. 210.
4. Riley-Smith 1997, p. 47.
References
** La Monte, John L. (January 1942). "The Lords of Le Puiset on the Crusades". Speculum. JSTOR 2856610
** Riley-Smith, Jonathan (1997). The First Crusaders, 1095-1131. University of Cambridge Press.
** Runciman, Steven (1951). A History of the Crusades, Vol. I. Cambridge University Press."13

; Per Wikipedia (Fr.):
     "Hugues Ier Blavons, mort un 23 décembre, vraisemblablement en 1096, mais pas avant1, fut le premier seigneur du Puiset. Il était fils d'Erard Ier, vicomte de Chartres et comte de Breteuil, et d'Humberge de Sours.
     "En 1067, profitant de la minorité du roi Philippe Ier de France et la faiblesse de son autorité, il s'empara du château royal du Puiset et s'y installa. En 1073, le comte de Blois Thibaud III, également comte de Chartres le fit vicomte de Chartres. Il se révéla un vassal indocile, qui n'hésita pas à défier l'autorité royale, allant même jusqu'à lui livrer bataille en 1079 devant Le Puiset, où l'armée royale fut mise en déroute2. Il ne fut pas plus respectueux des autorités religieuses, car il fit prisonnier Yves, évêque de Chartres et le tint emprisonné pendant deux ans3.
     "Il épousa Alix de Monthléry, fille de Guy Ier, seigneur de Monthléry, et d'Hodierne de Gometz. La famille de Montlhéry faisait également partie de la noblesse turbulente d'Île-de-France que le roi Louis VI devra mater une génération plus tard. Les alliances des Montlhéry constituèrent un large réseau de nobles qui s'engagèrent massivement dans les croisades.
     "Hugues et Alix eurent pour enfants4 :
** Guillaume
** Érard III, mort en 1099, seigneur du Puiset, vicomte de Chartres
** Hugues II, seigneur du Puiset, puis comte de Jaffa
** Gui Ier, seigneur de Méréville, vicomte d’Étampes, mort vers 1127
** Gilduin, mort vers 1130-35, croisé, religieux à Saint-Martin-des-Champs, prieur de Lurcy-Le-Bourg, abbé de Notre-Dame de Josaphat (à Lèves) en 1120
** Galéran, seigneur de Bira dans le comté d'Édesse, mort en Palestine vers 1123-26
** Raoul
** Humberge, mariée à Galon II de Beaumont-sur-Oise, vicomte de Chaumont-en-Vexin
** Eustachie.

Notes et références
1. La date de 1094 donnée habituellement, d'après les supputations indirectes de Dion, reprises sans examen par Joseph Depoin et de nombreux autres auteurs, est contredite par l'existence d'une charte d'Hugues en date de 1096, rééditée et traduite par Bernard Gineste «Hugues Blavons restitue leurs voiries aux moines de Saint-Père (1096)», in Corpus Étampois [archive], 2008.
2. Cf. Bernard Gineste, « Eustache de Saint-Père: Appel en Justice devant le roi à Etampes (8 février 1079) », in Corpus Etampois [archive].
3. Selon certains auteurs ce fut sur l'ordre du roi Philippe Ier, irrité des remontrances d'Yves à propos de son mariage avec Bertrade de Montfort, mais Evrard n'avait pas besoin de l'ordre d'un roi auquel il n'obéissait plus pour piller les biens de l'Église. Cf. Bernard Gineste, article cité.
Ivan Gobry, Histoire des Rois de France, Philippe Ier, père de Louis VI, Paris, Pygmalion, 2003, 366 p. (ISBN 2-85704-799-1)
Ivan Gobry, Histoire des Rois de France, Louis VI, père de Louis VII, Paris, Pygmalion, 2003, 366 p. (ISBN 2-85704-843-2)
4. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy : seigneurs du Puiset [archive]."14

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 659,660.4

; Per Racines et Histoire (Montlhéry, p. 3): "Alice ou Alix de Montlhéry dame de Villepreux ° ~1044 + après 1097
     ép. (1065) Hugues 1er «Blavons» de Breteuil dit du Puiset, vicomte de Chartres + 23/12/1094 (fils d’Erard comte de Breteuil, vicomte de Chartres, et d’Humberge)"
Per Racines et Histoire (Breteuil, p. 3): "Hugues 1er de Breteuil dit «Blavons» ou «du Puiset» ° ~1035 + 23/12/1094 comte de Breteuil, châtelain du Puiset (28, 1067), vicomte de Chartres (28, 1073)
     ép. Alix de (Bray-) Montlhéry, dame de Villepreux (78) ° ~1040/41 + 1097 (fille de Gui 1er de Montlhéry, seigneur de Montlhéry et Rochefort (78), et d’Hodierne de Gometz (-Le-Châtel), dame de Bures (-sur-Yvette, 91) et de La Ferté (-Alais, 91, en partie.)15,16"

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [I] "Blavons" de Breteuil, son of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge --- (-23 Dec, 1096 or after). "…Gerduini vicecomitis, Ebrardi filii eius, Ebrardi filii Ebrardi, Hugonis fratris eius, Adeladis sororis eorum…" signed the charter dated to [1046/64] under which "Gelduinus…vicecomes" donated a serf to Marmoutier[63]. "Ebrardus, Carnotensium vicecomes" donated a family of servants to "Carnotensi monasterio Sancti Petri", for the souls of "uxorisque meæ Hunbergæ et filiorum meorum", by undated charter signed by "Ebrardi vicecomitis, Ebrardi filii eius, Hugonis filii eius, Huncbergæ uxoris eius…"[64]. His parentage is confirmed by the necrology of Chartres cathedral which records the death "II Id Feb" of "Ebrardus vicecomes Gilduini filius", stating that "Ebrardus filius eius et Hugo" donated property for his soul[65]. Châtelain du Puiset 1067. Vicomte de Chartres 1073. An undated charter records that “Hugonem cognomine Bardulfum cum uxore sua Elisabeth” donated “terram in pago Carnotense...Soors” to Coulombs, that after the death of Elisabeth “nepos eius...Hugo cognomine Blavons” retook the land, but that “Ebrardus frater eiusdem Hugonis, Majoris-Monasterii monachus” protested, the result being that the names of Hugues “et fratres eius Ebrardus et Galerannus, simulque pater eorum...Evrardus” were written into the necrology of Coulombs[66]. The donation of property to "sancti Petro" by "Hugo vicecomes" is recorded in a charter dated 1096, subscribed by "Adelidis uxor vicecomitis, filii eorum, Ebrardus, Hugo, Guiddo et filia Unberga"[67].
     "m ALIX de Montlhéry, daughter of GUY [I] Seigneur de Montlhéry & his wife Hodierne dame de Gometz et de la Ferté-Alais (-after 1097). The donation of property to "sancti Petro" by "Hugo vicecomes" is recorded in a charter dated 1096, subscribed by "Adelidis uxor vicecomitis, filii eorum, Ebrardus, Hugo, Guiddo et filia Unberga"[68]. The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[69]. Dame de Villepreux. "…Mater eius Adelicia…" are named in the charter dated 1095 under which "Ebrardus de Puteolo monachus noster" donated property with "nepotem suum…Ebrardum de Puteolo"[70]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified."
Med Lands cites:
[63] Grandmaison (1865), LI, p. 49.
[64] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XXXII, p. 159.
[65] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Nécrologe du xi siècle, p. 7.
[66] Dion ‘Le Puiset’ (1889), p. 13.
[67] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Octavus, Cap. XV, p. 240.
[68] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Octavus, Cap. XV, p. 240.
[69] Ex continuatione Historiæ Aimoni Monachi Floriacensis, RHGF, Tome XI, p. 275.
[70] Marmoutier-Dunois, Cartæ Prioratuum Dunensium, CXLIX, p. 137.5

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I Blavons: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199407&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Beaumont-dur-Oise.pdf, p. 5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 1 page (The family of Beaumont-sur-Oise): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont1.html
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  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#HuguesIBreteuilChartresPuisetdied1094B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164675&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#ErardIBreteuildied1061
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  11. [S1671] Count W. H. Rüdt-Collenberg, The Rupenides, Hethumides and Lusignans: The Structure of the Armeno-Cilician Dynasties (11, Rude de Lille, Paris 7e, France: Librairie C. Klincksieck for the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation Armenian Libraryn (Lisbon), 1963), Chart V (J): The House of the Kings of Jerusalem. Hereinafter cited as Rudt-Collenberg: The Rupenides, etc.
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  13. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_I_of_Le_Puiset. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  14. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hugues Ier du Puiset: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugues_Ier_du_Puiset. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
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  19. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32762
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ebrard III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199409&tree=LEO

Eustace de Baudemont1

F, #18652
FatherAndré de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne1 b. c 1075, d. 19 Jul 1142
MotherAgnes (?) Dame de Braine1 b. c 1080
Last Edited30 Oct 2001
     Eustace de Baudemont married Guillaume II de Garland.2

Family

Guillaume II de Garland d. c 1132

Guillaume II de Garland1

M, #18653, d. circa 1132
Last Edited30 Oct 2001
     Guillaume II de Garland married Eustace de Baudemont, daughter of André de Baudément seigneur de Baudément et Braine, Senechal de Champagne and Agnes (?) Dame de Braine.1

Guillaume II de Garland died circa 1132.1

Gauthier I de Brienne Count de Brienne1

M, #18654, d. circa 1090
FatherEngelbert IV de Brienne Comte de Brienne1 b. c 940, d. a 980
MotherPetronille (?)1
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited23 Dec 2020
     Gauthier I de Brienne Count de Brienne married Eustache (?) de Bar-sur-Seine, daughter of Milon V (?) Cte de Tonnerre et de Bar-sur-Seine.2,1

Gauthier I de Brienne Count de Brienne died circa 1090.1
     EDV-26.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31804
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Erard I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028302&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#ErardIBriennedied11141125. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029161&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambarsein.htm#MilonBrienneBarSeinedied1126B
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 2 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou2.html#Is
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Eustache (?) de Bar-sur-Seine1

F, #18655
FatherMilon V (?) Cte de Tonnerre et de Bar-sur-Seine1
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited23 Dec 2020
     Eustache (?) de Bar-sur-Seine married Gauthier I de Brienne Count de Brienne, son of Engelbert IV de Brienne Comte de Brienne and Petronille (?).2,1

     EDV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I31804
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Erard I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028302&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#ErardIBriennedied11141125. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029161&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambarsein.htm#MilonBrienneBarSeinedied1126B
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#dauGautierIBrienneMFoulquesIVAnjou

Milon II de Brienne Comte de Bar-sur-Seine1,2,3

M, #18656, d. between 1125 and 1126
FatherGauthier I de Brienne Count de Brienne4,2,3 d. c 1090
MotherEustache (?) de Bar-sur-Seine4,2,3
Last Edited23 Dec 2020
     Milon II de Brienne Comte de Bar-sur-Seine married Mahaut/Mathilde de Noyers, daughter of Miles II (?) Sire de Noyers and Anna (?), before 1103.4,2,3,5,6

Milon II de Brienne Comte de Bar-sur-Seine died between 1125 and 1126; Genealogics says d. ca 1125; Med Lands says d. 1126.4,2,3
      ; This is the same person as ”Milon II de Bar-sur-Seine” at Wikipédia (FR).7

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 168.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 681.2


; Per Racines et Histoire (Brienne): “Milon 1 er de Brienne ° ~1075 + ~1126 comte de Bar-sur-Seine
     ép. ~1103 Mathilde de Noyers (fille de Miles de Noyers et d’Anna)”

Per Racines et Histoire (Noyers): “Mathilde de Noyers ° ~1090 + ~1116 (Champagnac-de-Belair, 24 ?) (citée dans une charte de son mari en faveur de Molesme avec son beau-frère Airard (Erard))
     ép. dès 1103 Milon II (1er de Bar ?) de Brienne ° ~1075 + ~1126 comte de Bar-sur-Seine (~1085), seigneur de Jully-sous-Ravières (fils de Gauthier 1er, comte de Brienne et de Bar-sur-Seine, et d’Eustachie, comtesse de Bar-sur-Seine & de Tonnerre)”.8,9

; Per Genealogy.EU (Brienne 1): “C3. Milon de Brienne, Cte de Bar-sur-Seine, +ca 1126; m.before 1103 Matilda, dau.of Miles de Noyers”.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "MILON de Brienne, son of GAUTHIER [I] Comte de Brienne et de Bar-sur-Seine & his wife Eustachie Ctss de Bar-sur-Seine [Tonnerre] (-[1126]). His parentage is confirmed by his undated charter under which "Milo…comes Barris super Sequanam" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "Matildis uxor eius, Airardus comes frater eius"[181]. Comte de Bar-sur-Seine. "Airardus comes Brinensis filius Walterii comitis" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "matre sua Eustachia comitissa et uxore sua [blank], necnon et Milone fratre suo comite de Barro" by charter dated to [1085/1111][182]. A note of a donation by "Hugo comes Trecorum" to "Monasterium Arremari" is included in a charter dated 1113, signed by "Milo comes Barri, Ayrardus frater eius comes Brenie"[183]. “Milo...comes Barri super Sequanam” donated property “apud villam...Capella...et apud...villam...Elmertium” to Molesmes, with the consent of “Matildis uxor eius, Airardus comes frater eius, Mantia amborum soror”, by charter dated to 1115, witnessed by “Olricus vicecomes, Gaufredus nepos eius...”[184]. "Milo comes Barri" donated "castri…Juliaci" to Molesme abbey for a convent, later the priory of Jully-les-Nonnains, by charter dated [1115][185]. "Airardus Breonensis comes…et comitem Barrensem Milonem fratrem suum" are named in a charter dated to [1125 or before], subscribed by "Milonis comitis, Widonis filii eius"[186].
     "m (before 1103) MATHILDE de Noyers, daughter of MILON [II] Seigneur de Noyers & his wife ---. 1103/16. "Milo…comes Barris super Sequanam" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "Matildis uxor eius, Airardus comes frater eius" by undated charter[187]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "
Med Lands cites:
[181] Molesme, Tome II, 22, p. 32.
[182] Molesme, Tome II, 134, p. 131.
[183] Montiéramey, 18, p. 30.
[184] Molesmes (1864), p. 261.
[185] Jully-les-Nonains, [1115], p. 8.
[186] Montiérender, 72, p. 197.
[187] Molesme, Tome II, 22, p. 32.3


; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE de Noyers . The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. 1103/1116. "Milo…comes Barris super Sequanam" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "Matildis uxor eius, Airardus comes frater eius" by undated charter[317].
     "m (before 1103) MILON [II] Comte de Bar-sur-Seine, son of GAUTHIER [I] Comte de Brienne et de Bar-sur-Seine & his wife Eustachie Ctss de Bar-sur-Seine [Tonnerre] (-[1126])."
Med Lands cites:
[317] Molesme II, 22, p. 32.6
He was Comte de Bar-sur-Seine between 1090 and 1126.4,7

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029161&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambarsein.htm#MilonBrienneBarSeinedied1126B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Noyers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029162&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdtonne.htm#MathildeNoyersMMilonIIBarSeine
  7. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Milon II de Bar-sur-Seine: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milon_II_de_Bar-sur-Seine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Brienne, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brienne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Noyers, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Noyers.pdf
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029157&tree=LEO

Mahaut/Mathilde de Noyers1,2,3

F, #18657
FatherMiles II (?) Sire de Noyers2,4,1,3
MotherAnna (?)5,1,3
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited23 Dec 2020
     Mahaut/Mathilde de Noyers married Milon II de Brienne Comte de Bar-sur-Seine, son of Gauthier I de Brienne Count de Brienne and Eustache (?) de Bar-sur-Seine, before 1103.2,6,7,1,3

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "MILON de Brienne, son of GAUTHIER [I] Comte de Brienne et de Bar-sur-Seine & his wife Eustachie Ctss de Bar-sur-Seine [Tonnerre] (-[1126]). His parentage is confirmed by his undated charter under which "Milo…comes Barris super Sequanam" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "Matildis uxor eius, Airardus comes frater eius"[181]. Comte de Bar-sur-Seine. "Airardus comes Brinensis filius Walterii comitis" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "matre sua Eustachia comitissa et uxore sua [blank], necnon et Milone fratre suo comite de Barro" by charter dated to [1085/1111][182]. A note of a donation by "Hugo comes Trecorum" to "Monasterium Arremari" is included in a charter dated 1113, signed by "Milo comes Barri, Ayrardus frater eius comes Brenie"[183]. “Milo...comes Barri super Sequanam” donated property “apud villam...Capella...et apud...villam...Elmertium” to Molesmes, with the consent of “Matildis uxor eius, Airardus comes frater eius, Mantia amborum soror”, by charter dated to 1115, witnessed by “Olricus vicecomes, Gaufredus nepos eius...”[184]. "Milo comes Barri" donated "castri…Juliaci" to Molesme abbey for a convent, later the priory of Jully-les-Nonnains, by charter dated [1115][185]. "Airardus Breonensis comes…et comitem Barrensem Milonem fratrem suum" are named in a charter dated to [1125 or before], subscribed by "Milonis comitis, Widonis filii eius"[186].
     "m (before 1103) MATHILDE de Noyers, daughter of MILON [II] Seigneur de Noyers & his wife ---. 1103/16. "Milo…comes Barris super Sequanam" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "Matildis uxor eius, Airardus comes frater eius" by undated charter[187]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "
Med Lands cites:
[181] Molesme, Tome II, 22, p. 32.
[182] Molesme, Tome II, 134, p. 131.
[183] Montiéramey, 18, p. 30.
[184] Molesmes (1864), p. 261.
[185] Jully-les-Nonains, [1115], p. 8.
[186] Montiérender, 72, p. 197.
[187] Molesme, Tome II, 22, p. 32.7


; Per Genealogy.EU (Brienne 1): “C3. Milon de Brienne, Cte de Bar-sur-Seine, +ca 1126; m.before 1103 Matilda, dau.of Miles de Noyers”.8

; Per Racines et Histoire (Brienne): “Milon 1 er de Brienne ° ~1075 + ~1126 comte de Bar-sur-Seine
     ép. ~1103 Mathilde de Noyers (fille de Miles de Noyers et d’Anna)”

Per Racines et Histoire (Noyers): “Mathilde de Noyers ° ~1090 + ~1116 (Champagnac-de-Belair, 24 ?) (citée dans une charte de son mari en faveur de Molesme avec son beau-frère Airard (Erard))
     ép. dès 1103 Milon II (1er de Bar ?) de Brienne ° ~1075 + ~1126 comte de Bar-sur-Seine (~1085), seigneur de Jully-sous-Ravières (fils de Gauthier 1er, comte de Brienne et de Bar-sur-Seine, et d’Eustachie, comtesse de Bar-sur-Seine & de Tonnerre)”.9,10 EDV-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 168.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 681.1


; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE de Noyers . The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. 1103/1116. "Milo…comes Barris super Sequanam" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "Matildis uxor eius, Airardus comes frater eius" by undated charter[317].
     "m (before 1103) MILON [II] Comte de Bar-sur-Seine, son of GAUTHIER [I] Comte de Brienne et de Bar-sur-Seine & his wife Eustachie Ctss de Bar-sur-Seine [Tonnerre] (-[1126])."
Med Lands cites:
[317] Molesme II, 22, p. 32.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Noyers: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029162&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdtonne.htm#MathildeNoyersMMilonIIBarSeine. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Miles II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163430&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Anna: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164497&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milon II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029161&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambarsein.htm#MilonBrienneBarSeinedied1126B
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Brienne, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brienne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Noyers, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Noyers.pdf
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029157&tree=LEO

Engelbert IV de Brienne Comte de Brienne1

M, #18658, b. circa 940, d. after 980
FatherEngelbert II/III de Brienne Comte de Brienne2,3 b. c 880, d. c 969
MotherWandalmodisWindemodis (?)3 b. c 885
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Engelbert IV de Brienne Comte de Brienne married Petronille (?)1
Engelbert IV de Brienne Comte de Brienne was born circa 940.4
Engelbert IV de Brienne Comte de Brienne died after 980.4
     EDV-27.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32713
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#EngelbertIIIBriennedied1008B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32712

Engelbert II/III de Brienne Comte de Brienne1,2,3

M, #18659, b. circa 880, d. circa 969
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Engelbert II/III de Brienne Comte de Brienne married WandalmodisWindemodis (?), daughter of Adele de Salins,
; his 1st wife.4,3 Engelbert II/III de Brienne Comte de Brienne married Alix/Adélaide de Sens Comtesse de Joigny, daughter of Renard I 'le Vieux' de Sens Comte de Sens,
;
His 2nd wife; her 2nd husband.1,5,6,2,3 Engelbert II/III de Brienne Comte de Brienne was born circa 880.7
Engelbert II/III de Brienne Comte de Brienne died circa 969.7
     EDV-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:6.2

; Per Genealogy.EU (de Brienne 1): “Engelbert III de Brienne, ca 1004/08; 1m: Windemodis N; 2m: Alix, dau.of Cte Renaud de Sens.”.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "WANDALMODIS . A manuscript genealogy, dated to the early 12th century, records "Letaldus comes Vesoncius et Umbertus comes Marisconensis fratres", adding "ex Umberto, Adala comitissa, ex Adala Windesmodis soror matris vestræ non germana, ex Windesmode Ingelbertus et Witdo de Upione"[1112].
     "m as his first wife, ENGELBERT [II] de Brienne, son of [ENGELBERT [I] Comte [de Brienne] & his wife ---] (-1008 or after)."
Med Lands cites:
[1112] Genealogiæ comitum Andegavensium, V, p. 249.8

; Per Med Lands:
     "ALIX de Sens . The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the wife of "comes de Brena super Albam Engelbertus" as "comitissam Ioviniaci viduam de primo marito"[62]. She died before her husband, as the same passage refers to her son-in-law inheriting Joigny after her death and subsequently building the first castle of Joinville with the help of his father-in-law.
     "m firstly GEOFFROY de Joigny, son of ---.
     "m secondly as his second wife, ENGELBERT [II] Comte de Brienne, son of [ENGELBERT [I] Comte [de Brienne] & his wife ---] (-1008 or after)."
Med Lands cites:
[62] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1055, MGH SS XXIII, p. 790.6

Family 2

Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert de Brienne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165105&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#EngelbertIIIBriennedied1008B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix|Adélaide: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165106&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamsensjoi.htm#AlixSensM1GeofJoignyM2EngelbertBrienne
  7. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32713
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkcounty.htm#WandalmodismotheEngelbertBrienne
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Adelaide) de Brienne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165101&tree=LEO
  10. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32684

WandalmodisWindemodis (?)1,2

F, #18660, b. circa 885
MotherAdele de Salins2 b. c 940
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited3 Nov 2020
     WandalmodisWindemodis (?) married Engelbert II/III de Brienne Comte de Brienne
; his 1st wife.3,4 WandalmodisWindemodis (?) was born circa 885.5
     EDV-28.

; Per Med Lands:
     "WANDALMODIS . A manuscript genealogy, dated to the early 12th century, records "Letaldus comes Vesoncius et Umbertus comes Marisconensis fratres", adding "ex Umberto, Adala comitissa, ex Adala Windesmodis soror matris vestræ non germana, ex Windesmode Ingelbertus et Witdo de Upione"[1112].
     "m as his first wife, ENGELBERT [II] de Brienne, son of [ENGELBERT [I] Comte [de Brienne] & his wife ---] (-1008 or after)."
Med Lands cites:
[1112] Genealogiæ comitum Andegavensium, V, p. 249.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkcounty.htm#WandalmodismotheEngelbertBrienne. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#EngelbertIIIBriennedied1008B
  5. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32714