Recuara (?)1

F, #19951
ReferenceGAV22
Last Edited7 Sep 2019
     Recuara (?) married Thomas le Despenser, son of Geoffrey le Despenser.2,3,1
     GAV-22.

;
On Genealogics: "her unusual name may be an error in transcription (John Ravilious.)2"

Citations

  1. [S2204] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 9 Dec 2007: "Re: #Geoffrey / Galfridus le Despenser Lord Marcheley"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 9 Dec 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 9 Dec 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Recuara: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00478279&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas le Despenser: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398118&tree=LEO

Hugues I (?) châtelain de Cambrai, Oisy, Inchy et Crévecoeur1,2

M, #19952, d. after 1111
FatherHugues d'Oisy Châtelain de Douai2,3,1 b. c 1002, d. a 1051
MotherAdela (?) de Cambrai4,2,3,1 b. c 1002, d. b 1046
Last Edited30 Oct 2020
     Hugues I (?) châtelain de Cambrai, Oisy, Inchy et Crévecoeur married Ada de Rumigny, daughter of Godfery IV (?) seigneur de Florennes et Rumigny and Hedwige (Hadewide, Avoye, Adélaïde) (?) de Roucy, circa 1065.5,1,2
Hugues I (?) châtelain de Cambrai, Oisy, Inchy et Crévecoeur died after 1111; Med Lands says d. 1111 or after.6,7,1
     ; Per Racines et Histoire (Cambrai): “De nombreuses sources confondent (peut-être à juste titre ?) ces deux générations d’Hugues [i.e. Hugues, father, and Hugues I. son] de Douai faisant de Fastré 1er d’Oisy le fils d’Hugues et d’Adèle de Cambrai.
Translation (by GA Vaut): "Many sources confuse (perhaps rightly?) these two generations of Hugues de Douai [i.e. Hugues, father, and Hugues I. son] making Fastré 1st of Oisy the son of Hugues and Adèle de Cambrai."2 Hugues I (?) châtelain de Cambrai, Oisy, Inchy et Crévecoeur was also known as Hugues I d'Oisy.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Cambrai): “Hugues 1er de Douai (alias d’Oisy) Châtelain de Douai, Oisy, Inchy et Crèvecoeur (~1048), vicomte d’Arleux, Avoué de Saint-Amé de Douai et de Sainte-Rictude de Marchiennes, vassal de l’Evêque d’Arras (semble être très vite sous tutelle d’Anselme de Ribemont, comte d’Ostrevant)
     ép.~1065 Ada de Mons (probable fille de Gossuin 1er et d’Ermengarde de Chaumont) (une charte la donne pour nièce de Richilde de Hainaut, comtesse de Mons)”.2

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [I] de Douai, son of HUGUES Châtelain de Douai & his wife Adela --- (-1111 or after). The Chronicon Sancti Andreæ names "Walterus et pater eius Walterus et nepos eius Hugo"[90]. The Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium records that the bishop of Cambrai installed "Hugonem Gualteri castellani defuncti nepotem…adhuc puer" as Châtelain de Cambrai, under the tutorship of "propinquum quondam Ansellum" (Anselme de Ribemont Comte d'Ostrevent)[91]. "Walterus Duacensis" bought property from "fratre suo" [indicating Hugues [I] de Douai], with the consent of "Adriana…sua uxore, eorumque filio Symone" [both referring back to Hugues], by charter dated to [1074][92]. The Gesta Pontificum Cameracensium (Gesta Burchardi I) names "Hugo de Osgiacho filius Hugonis castellanus Cameracensis" when recording that he was installed as châtelain de Cambrai[93]. The text also refers to "comes Robertus", which presumably refers to Robert II Count of Flanders. As count Robert died in 1111, this passage must refer to Hugues [I]. “Ansellus Valencen, castellan. Ribedimontis et Oestrevandie dominus” founded Anchin abbey by charter dated 1096, in the presence of “...Hugo castellanus, Amalricus Rufus dictus de Marcoeng gener eius...”[94]. "Gautherii, prius castellani Duacensis, modo autem clerici, Hugonis, fratris eiusdem, Cameraco, Rogeri castellani de Insula, Frimoldi de eadem Insula…" signed the charter dated 3 Feb 1097 which records the settlement of a dispute between the count of Flanders and the abbey of Saint-Martin de Tours[95].
     "m ADA [Adriana], daughter of ---. The Gesta Cameracensium names "iuvenculam Adam neptem Richeldis Montensis comitiissæ" as wife of Hugues Châtelain de Cambrai[96]. Her family relationship with Richildis de Hainaut Ctss de Mons has not been established. "Walterus Duacensis" bought property from "fratre suo" [indicating Hugues [I] de Douai], with the consent of "Adriana…sua uxore, eorumque filio Symone" [both referring back to Hugues], by charter dated to [1074][97].
     "Hugues [I] & his wife had four children:
1. SIMON d'Oisy (-before his father).
2. HUGUES [II] d'Oisy (-16 Oct after 1133). m HILDIARDE de Mons,
3. SIMON d'Oisy . 1111.
4. daughter . m AMAURY Rufus de Marcoeng,"

NB: Med Lands does not list Fastre I as a child of Hugues I.
Med Lands cites:
[90] Chronicon Sancti Andreæ, Castri Cameracensis I.6, MGH SS VII, p. 528.
[91] Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium Continuatio 8, MGH SS VII, p. 493.
[92] Brassart (Douai) (1877), Preuves, XI, p. 15.
[93] Gesta Pontificum Cameracensium (Gesta Burchardi I), 5, p. 117.
[94] Le Carpentier (1664), Part IV, Preuves, p. 14.
[95] Brassart (1877), XXII, p. 35.
[96] Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium continuatio 20, MGH SS VII, p. 495.
[97] Brassart (1877), XI, p. 15.1


; Per Racines et Histoire (Florennes & Rumigny ): “? Aude de Rumigny
     ép. Hugues 1er ou II, seigneur d’Oisy + 1111
     postérité Oisy dont : Hugues II ou III d’Oisy et Clémence d’Oisy ”.5

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfracado.htm#HuguesCambraidied1111B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes & Châtelains de Cambrai, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfracado.htm#HuguesDouaidied1051
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32503
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf, p. 4.
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2.
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille & seigneurs d’ Avesnes, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf

Ada de Rumigny

F, #19953
FatherGodfery IV (?) seigneur de Florennes et Rumigny1 b. c 1010, d. bt 1078 - 1080
MotherHedwige (Hadewide, Avoye, Adélaïde) (?) de Roucy1
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Ada de Rumigny married Hugues I (?) châtelain de Cambrai, Oisy, Inchy et Crévecoeur, son of Hugues d'Oisy Châtelain de Douai and Adela (?) de Cambrai, circa 1065.1,2,3
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [I] de Douai, son of HUGUES Châtelain de Douai & his wife Adela --- (-1111 or after). The Chronicon Sancti Andreæ names "Walterus et pater eius Walterus et nepos eius Hugo"[90]. The Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium records that the bishop of Cambrai installed "Hugonem Gualteri castellani defuncti nepotem…adhuc puer" as Châtelain de Cambrai, under the tutorship of "propinquum quondam Ansellum" (Anselme de Ribemont Comte d'Ostrevent)[91]. "Walterus Duacensis" bought property from "fratre suo" [indicating Hugues [I] de Douai], with the consent of "Adriana…sua uxore, eorumque filio Symone" [both referring back to Hugues], by charter dated to [1074][92]. The Gesta Pontificum Cameracensium (Gesta Burchardi I) names "Hugo de Osgiacho filius Hugonis castellanus Cameracensis" when recording that he was installed as châtelain de Cambrai[93]. The text also refers to "comes Robertus", which presumably refers to Robert II Count of Flanders. As count Robert died in 1111, this passage must refer to Hugues [I]. “Ansellus Valencen, castellan. Ribedimontis et Oestrevandie dominus” founded Anchin abbey by charter dated 1096, in the presence of “...Hugo castellanus, Amalricus Rufus dictus de Marcoeng gener eius...”[94]. "Gautherii, prius castellani Duacensis, modo autem clerici, Hugonis, fratris eiusdem, Cameraco, Rogeri castellani de Insula, Frimoldi de eadem Insula…" signed the charter dated 3 Feb 1097 which records the settlement of a dispute between the count of Flanders and the abbey of Saint-Martin de Tours[95].
     "m ADA [Adriana], daughter of ---. The Gesta Cameracensium names "iuvenculam Adam neptem Richeldis Montensis comitiissæ" as wife of Hugues Châtelain de Cambrai[96]. Her family relationship with Richildis de Hainaut Ctss de Mons has not been established. "Walterus Duacensis" bought property from "fratre suo" [indicating Hugues [I] de Douai], with the consent of "Adriana…sua uxore, eorumque filio Symone" [both referring back to Hugues], by charter dated to [1074][97].
     "Hugues [I] & his wife had four children:
1. SIMON d'Oisy (-before his father).
2. HUGUES [II] d'Oisy (-16 Oct after 1133). m HILDIARDE de Mons,
3. SIMON d'Oisy . 1111.
4. daughter . m AMAURY Rufus de Marcoeng,"

NB: Med Lands does not list Fastre I as a child of Hugues I.
Med Lands cites:
[90] Chronicon Sancti Andreæ, Castri Cameracensis I.6, MGH SS VII, p. 528.
[91] Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium Continuatio 8, MGH SS VII, p. 493.
[92] Brassart (Douai) (1877), Preuves, XI, p. 15.
[93] Gesta Pontificum Cameracensium (Gesta Burchardi I), 5, p. 117.
[94] Le Carpentier (1664), Part IV, Preuves, p. 14.
[95] Brassart (1877), XXII, p. 35.
[96] Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium continuatio 20, MGH SS VII, p. 495.
[97] Brassart (1877), XI, p. 15.2


; Per Racines et Histoire (Cambrai): “Hugues 1er de Douai (alias d’Oisy) Châtelain de Douai, Oisy, Inchy et Crèvecoeur (~1048), vicomte d’Arleux, Avoué de Saint-Amé de Douai et de Sainte-Rictude de Marchiennes, vassal de l’Evêque d’Arras (semble être très vite sous tutelle d’Anselme de Ribemont, comte d’Ostrevant)
     ép.~1065 Ada de Mons (probable fille de Gossuin 1er et d’Ermengarde de Chaumont) (une charte la donne pour nièce de Richilde de Hainaut, comtesse de Mons)”.3 Ada de Rumigny was also known as Aude de Rumigny.1

; NB: Few sources attempt to identify the family of the Ada/Aude/Adriana who m. Hugues I de Douai. Med Lands is silent on this. Racines et Histoire offers two conflicting options:
     Cambrai (p. 4) says she is " Ada de Mons (probable fille de Gossuin 1er et d’Ermengarde de Chaumont) (une charte la donne pour nièce de Richilde de Hainaut, comtesse de Mons)
     Florennes & Rumigny (p. 2) says she is ? Aude
de Rumigny, possibly dau. of Godefroi IV de Florennes and Hedwige (Hadewide, Avoye, Adélaïde) de Roucy.2,3,1 Ada de Rumigny was also known as Ada de Mons.3 EDV-28.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Florennes & Rumigny ): “? Aude de Rumigny
     ép. Hugues 1er ou II, seigneur d’Oisy + 1111
     postérité Oisy dont : Hugues II ou III d’Oisy et Clémence d’Oisy ”.1

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfracado.htm#HuguesCambraidied1111B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes & Châtelains de Cambrai, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille & seigneurs d’ Avesnes, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf

Gullaume III de Béthune Seigneur de Meulebeeke and Locres, avoué de Huysse, baron de Pontrohart1,2

M, #19954, b. circa 1202, d. 24 August 1243
FatherGuillaume II de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton, Choques, Tenremonde, Meulebeke (Molembecque), et Locres (Lokeren), avoué de l’abbaye Saint-Vaast d’Arras2 b. c 1160, d. 14 Apr 1214
MotherMaud de Tenremond dame de Tenremonde, Lokeren et Meulebeke2 b. 1185, d. 18 Apr 1224
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited14 Aug 2019
     Gullaume III de Béthune Seigneur de Meulebeeke and Locres, avoué de Huysse, baron de Pontrohart was born circa 1202.2 He married Elisabeth van Roesbrugge baronne de Pontrohart before 1228.3,2
Gullaume III de Béthune Seigneur de Meulebeeke and Locres, avoué de Huysse, baron de Pontrohart died on 24 August 1243.1,2
     EDV-24.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume III de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029147&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth van Roesbrugge: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029148&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139578&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jeanne de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197511&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 5.

Elisabeth van Roesbrugge baronne de Pontrohart1,2

F, #19955, d. after 1236
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited16 Aug 2019
     Elisabeth van Roesbrugge baronne de Pontrohart married Gullaume III de Béthune Seigneur de Meulebeeke and Locres, avoué de Huysse, baron de Pontrohart, son of Guillaume II de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton, Choques, Tenremonde, Meulebeke (Molembecque), et Locres (Lokeren), avoué de l’abbaye Saint-Vaast d’Arras and Maud de Tenremond dame de Tenremonde, Lokeren et Meulebeke, before 1228.1,2
Elisabeth van Roesbrugge baronne de Pontrohart died after 1236.2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 57.1 EDV-24. She was living in 1217.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth van Roesbrugge: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029148&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139578&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jeanne de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197511&tree=LEO

Guillaume II de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton, Choques, Tenremonde, Meulebeke (Molembecque), et Locres (Lokeren), avoué de l’abbaye Saint-Vaast d’Arras1

M, #19956, b. circa 1160, d. 14 April 1214
FatherRobert V "Le Roux" de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton et Choques, avoué d’Arras2,1 b. c 1130, d. 10 Jan 1191
MotherAdelaide de St. Pol3,1
ReferenceEDV25 GKJ24
Last Edited24 Dec 2020
     Guillaume II de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton, Choques, Tenremonde, Meulebeke (Molembecque), et Locres (Lokeren), avoué de l’abbaye Saint-Vaast d’Arras married Maud de Tenremond dame de Tenremonde, Lokeren et Meulebeke, daughter of Gauthier III (?) Sire de Tenremond and Alice de Rozoy.1 Guillaume II de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton, Choques, Tenremonde, Meulebeke (Molembecque), et Locres (Lokeren), avoué de l’abbaye Saint-Vaast d’Arras was born circa 1160.1
Guillaume II de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton, Choques, Tenremonde, Meulebeke (Molembecque), et Locres (Lokeren), avoué de l’abbaye Saint-Vaast d’Arras died on 14 April 1214.1
     EDV-25 GKJ-24.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122016&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122017&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00316226&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 4.
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Béthune, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Béthune: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120713&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfranord.htm#JeanBethuneMElisabethStPol. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert VII: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122013&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfranord.htm#RobertVIIBethunedied1248

Maud de Tenremond dame de Tenremonde, Lokeren et Meulebeke1

F, #19957, b. 1185, d. 18 April 1224
FatherGauthier III (?) Sire de Tenremond1
MotherAlice de Rozoy
ReferenceEDV25 GKJ24
Last Edited24 Dec 2020
     Maud de Tenremond dame de Tenremonde, Lokeren et Meulebeke married Guillaume II de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton, Choques, Tenremonde, Meulebeke (Molembecque), et Locres (Lokeren), avoué de l’abbaye Saint-Vaast d’Arras, son of Robert V "Le Roux" de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton et Choques, avoué d’Arras and Adelaide de St. Pol.1 Maud de Tenremond dame de Tenremonde, Lokeren et Meulebeke was born in 1185.1
Maud de Tenremond dame de Tenremonde, Lokeren et Meulebeke died on 18 April 1224.1
     EDV-25 GKJ-24. Maud de Tenremond dame de Tenremonde, Lokeren et Meulebeke was also known as Mathilde (Mahaut) de Dendermonde.1

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00316226&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 4.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Béthune: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120713&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Béthune, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfranord.htm#JeanBethuneMElisabethStPol. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert VII: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122013&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfranord.htm#RobertVIIBethunedied1248

Basilie/Beatrix/Beatrice de Coucy1,2,3

F, #19958, d. after 1156
FatherSir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens3,2,1 b. c 1073, d. bt 1129 - 1130
MotherIda de Hainaut2,1,3,4 b. c 1085, d. a 1101
Last Edited26 Nov 2020
     Basilie/Beatrix/Beatrice de Coucy married Evrard III de Breteuil Comte de Breteuil, son of Valeran II (?) Sire de Breteuil and Ivette/Judith (?).5,3 Basilie/Beatrix/Beatrice de Coucy and Evrard III de Breteuil Comte de Breteuil were divorced in 1130.3,5
Basilie/Beatrix/Beatrice de Coucy died after 1156.3
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80; III 659.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Marle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028235&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Coucy 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/coucy1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Basilie (Béatrix) de Coucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028246&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Hainault: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028239&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Evrard III de Breteuil: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028247&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Valeran III de Breteuil: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164668&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PARIS%20REGION%20NOBILITY.htm#ValeranIIIBreteuildied1162. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Ida de Hainaut1,2,3

F, #19959, b. circa 1085, d. after 1101
FatherBaudouin II (?) Graaf van Henegouwen, Valenciennes, Ostrevant et Douai1,2,4,5,6 b. c 1056, d. a 8 Jun 1098
MotherIda (?) de Louvain7,2,1,8,6 b. b 1077, d. 1139
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited28 Sep 2020
     Ida de Hainaut was born circa 1085.2 She married Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens, son of Enguerrand I de Coucy sn de Boves et de Coucy, Cte d'Amiens and Ada de Marle Vicomtesse de Coucy, in 1100; Genealogy.EU (Coucy 1 page) says m. bef 1095; (Flanders 1 page) says m. ca 1100.9,10,11
Ida de Hainaut died after 1101.1,9,2
     EDV-28.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Hainault: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028239&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders2.html
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IdeHainautdiedafter1101. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050002&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050002&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#BaudouinIIHainautdied1098B
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Louvain: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050003&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Louvain: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050003&tree=LEO
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Coucy 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/coucy1.html
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Marle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028235&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Hainault: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028239&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Basilie (Béatrix) de Coucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028246&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ide de Coucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028245&tree=LEO

Hugues III dit Candavène de St. Pol Comte de St. Pol, Comte de Hesdin1,2

M, #19960, b. say 1080, d. after 1145
FatherHugues II de Campdavaine Comte de St. Pol3,1 b. s 1050, d. bt 1118 - 1119
MotherHélesinde de Ponthieu1,4,5 b. c 1053, d. b 1128
ReferenceGAV25 EDV26
Last Edited1 Jun 2020
     Hugues III dit Candavène de St. Pol Comte de St. Pol, Comte de Hesdin married Beatrix (?) de Rollancourt;
His 1st wife.6 Hugues III dit Candavène de St. Pol Comte de St. Pol, Comte de Hesdin was born say 1080.1 He married Marguerite de Clermont, daughter of Renaud II/III (?) Cte de Clermont-en-Beauvais, and Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy), circa 1128;
His 2nd wife.7,1,8
Hugues III dit Candavène de St. Pol Comte de St. Pol, Comte de Hesdin died after 1145.8
     GAV-25 EDV-26 GKJ-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 185.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 622.9
Hugues III dit Candavène de St. Pol Comte de St. Pol, Comte de Hesdin was also known as Huguers III de Campdavaine Comte de Saint-Pol.10 He was Per Geanealogics:
     "Hugues was the son of Hugues II, comte de St. Pol and Hélesinde de Ponthieu. By an unnamed first wife he had three sons, Enguerrand, Hugues and Anselme, of whom Anselme would succeed him as comte de St. Pol and have progeny. He also had two sons, Guy and Raoul and a daughter Beatrix by his second wife Marguerite de Clermont, widow of Charles 'the Good', count of Flanders.
     "Hugues III is recorded as becoming count of St. Pol in 1122, though he must have acted in this capacity from the death of his father about 1118/119. It is not clear why he was not named as count of St. Pol immediately on his father's death. He later also became count of Hesdin. In 1136 he was excommunicated, but in 1137 he founded the abbeys of Cercamps and Clairfayt." He was living in 1096.1

Family 2

Marguerite de Clermont b. bt 1104 - 1105, d. a 1145
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues III dit Candavene: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120722&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120720&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hélesinde de Ponthieu: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120721&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#HuguesIISaintPoldied1118. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 15 October 2019), memorial page for Beatrix de Rollancourt (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 104469414, citing Abbaye de Cercamp, Frevent, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France ; Maintained by Mad (contributor 47329061), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104469414/beatrix-de_rollancourt. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Clermont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00482400&tree=LEO
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf, p. 7.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues III dit Candavene: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120722&tree=LEO
  10. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes de Saint-Pol: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Saint-Pol. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 3.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Anselme Candavène: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120724&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#AnselmeSaintPoldied1175
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrix de St. Pol: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00482404&tree=LEO

Beatrix (?) de Rollancourt1

F, #19961, d. before 1128
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited19 Oct 2019
     Beatrix (?) de Rollancourt married Hugues III dit Candavène de St. Pol Comte de St. Pol, Comte de Hesdin, son of Hugues II de Campdavaine Comte de St. Pol and Hélesinde de Ponthieu;
His 1st wife.1
Beatrix (?) de Rollancourt died before 1128; Her husband remarried in 1128.2
Beatrix (?) de Rollancourt was buried before 1128 at Abbaye de Cercamp, Frevent, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France,

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     unknown
     Beatrix was the wife of Hugues III de Saint Pol and the mother of:
Enguerrand
Hugues, died childless in 1150
Anselme
Raoul, who died April 4, 1162, buried in Cercamp after having been married
Guy, husband of Matilda de Doulens
Angelic or Angeline, wife of Anselme de Housdain
Adelaide, wife of Robert le Roux, Lord of Bethune; Jean III of Bethune, Bishop of Cambrai was one of eight children:
Beatrix, wife of Robert, fourth son of Raoul I, sire de Coucy.

     According to the French Wikipédia, Beatrix was buried in Cercamp Abbey
     Family Members
     Children
          Raoul de Saint Pol unknown–1162
     BURIAL     Abbaye de Cercamp, Frevent, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
     Created by: Mad
     Added: 31 Jan 2013
     Find A Grave Memorial 104469414.1
     GAV-25. GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-26. Beatrix (?) de Rollancourt was also known as Beatrice (?)

Citations

  1. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 15 October 2019), memorial page for Beatrix de Rollancourt (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 104469414, citing Abbaye de Cercamp, Frevent, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France ; Maintained by Mad (contributor 47329061), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104469414/beatrix-de_rollancourt. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues III dit Candavène: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120722&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Hugues II de Campdavaine Comte de St. Pol1,2

M, #19962, b. say 1050, d. between 1118 and 1119
FatherHugues I de Campdavaine Count de St. Pol d. 1070
MotherClemence (?)
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited1 Jun 2020
     Hugues II de Campdavaine Comte de St. Pol was born say 1050; Genealogics says b. ca 1050; Racines et Histoire says b. ca 1070.3,4 He married Hélesinde de Ponthieu, daughter of Enguerrand II de Ponthieu comte de Ponthieu, Montruil et Aumale and Adélaïde (?) de Normandie, comtesse d'Aumale, before 1081.5,6,7,3,4
Hugues II de Campdavaine Comte de St. Pol died between 1118 and 1119.6,3
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [II] de Saint-Pol (-[1118/19]). "Wido comes Pontivensis, frater eius Hugo comes de Sancto Paulo, Eustachius comes Boloniensis, Robertus Bituniensis…" signed the charter dated 1091 under which the abbot of Saint-Bertin and "Manasses comes Gisnensis" made an agreement relating to serfs[1724]. Comte de Saint-Pol. William of Tyre names Hugues Comte de Saint-Pol among those who left on the First Crusade in 1096 with Robert Count of Flanders[1725]. Albert of Aix names "…Hugo comes de Sancto Paulo, Engilrandus eiusdem Hugonis filius miles…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[1726]. Willam of Tyre records the presence at the capture of Acre in 1098 of "Hugo de Sancto Paulo et Engelrandus filius eius"[1727]. Albert of Aix records that "Hugo comes de Sancto Paulo ex regno Franciæ…[et] filium suum Engilrandum" captured Turkish prisoners, dated to late 1098 from the context[1728]. The Continuatio Valcellensis of Sigebert's Chronica records in 1115 that “Balduinus comes Flandriæ” captured “castrum Encres” from “Hugone Camdavena”, who had usurped it, and granted it to “Karolo consobrino suo”[1729]. The Continuatio Valcellensis of Sigebert's Chronica records in 1117 that “Balduinus comes Flandriæ” besieged “castrum sancti Pauli” held by “Hugo Camdavena”, who had devastated territory, but had returned it after the mediation of “Eustathio comite Boloniæ”[1730].
     "m (before 1091) HELISSENDE de Montreuil, daughter of ENGUERRAND [II] Comte de Montreuil & his wife Adelais de Normandie. "Comes Hugo de Sancto Paulo" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "uxoris sue Helisendis filiorumque suorum Ingelranni et Hugonis" by charter dated 17 Jun 1095[1731]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. "
Med Lands cites:
[1724] Saint-Bertin (Grand Cartulaire), Tome I, 87, p. 34.
[1725] William of Tyre I.XVII, p. 45.
[1726] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber II, Cap. XXII, p. 315.
[1727] William of Tyre VI.XVII, p. 263.
[1728] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber III, Cap. XLVIII, p. 372.
[1729] Sigeberti Continuatio Valcellensis 1115, MGH SS VI, p. 459.
[1730] Sigeberti Continuatio Valcellensis 1115, MGH SS VI, p. 459.
[1731] Molesme, Tome II, 84, p. 89.6


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 622.3

; Per Geanealogics:
     "Hugues II was the count of St. Pol in Artois. With his wife Hélesinde de Ponthieu, possibly the daughter of Enguerrand II, comte de Montreuil and Adela of Normandy, comtesse d'Aumale, he had two sons, Enguerrand and Hugues. In 1095 he is recorded as donating property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of his wife and two sons.
     "He participated in the First Crusade with his son Enguerrand, where they both won fame as military leaders. Being vassals of Eustace III of Boulogne, they probably travelled east in his company, among the retinue of Godfrey of Bouillon, duke of Lower-Lorraine. However William of Tyre names Hugues among those who left for the First Crusade in 1096 with Robert, count of Flanders.
     "Hugues and Enguerrand participated in the siege of Antioch in 1097, where they were central in raiding the Turkish forces. William of Tyre records their presence in the capture of Acre in 1098. Hugues is last mentioned in the east during the Siege of Jerusalem in 1099. His son Enguerrand had died of disease after the capture of Ma'arrat al-Numan around Christmas 1098. Hugues died about 1118/1119 and was succeeded by Hugues III dit Candavène, who would have progeny."3 He was Comte de Saint-Pol.2

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
     "Hugues II de Campdavaine ou Campdavesne († en 1130 ou 11311), fut comte de Saint-Pol de 1083 à 1118, après avoir succédé à son frère Guy mort sans postérité.
     "Il était le fils de Hugues Ier et de Clémence.
     "Le pape Grégoire VII, le 25 novembre 1078, qualifia les trois fils d'Hugues, Guy, Hugues et Eustache, comtes de Saint-Pol.
Biographie
     "Ayant accompagné avec Enguerrand, son fils, l'an 1096, Robert Courteheuse, duc de Normandie, à la première croisade, il se distingua au siège d'Antioche. Il monta parmi les premiers à l'assaut de Jérusalem. Il perdit son fils, qui fut tué devant Marah. Ils furent les héros de la chanson de geste La chanson d'Antioche composée au commencement du xiie siècle par le pèlerin Richard.
     "À son retour, il prit les armes pour le comte de Hainaut contre Robert II, comte de Flandre.
     "Il eut aussi à combattre le successeur de Robert II, Baudouin à la Hache. En 1115, ce dernier lui prit le château d'Encre, dont il fit don à Charles de Danemark, son cousin. En l'an 1117, ce fut le château de Saint-Pol qui lui fut enlevé. Mais, peu de temps après, il lui rendit ce dernier à la requête du comte de Boulogne.
     "Après la mort de Baudouin à la Hache, il entra dans la ligue formée par Clémence de Bourgogne, la veuve de Robert II, ayant pour but d'exclure Charles de Danemark du comté de Flandre, et d'y mettre à sa tête Guillaume d'Ypres. Charles triompha de tous les confédérés et étant entré dans le comté de Saint-Pol, il en rasa toutes les forteresses et contraignit le comte à lui demander la paix. Elle lui fut accordée à condition de rentrer dans la mouvance de la Flandre dont ses prédécesseurs s'étaient affranchis.
Famille et descendance
     "Sa première épouse fut Elissende de Ponthieu, fille d'Enguerrand II, comte de Ponthieu et d'Aumale, et d'Adèle de Normandie2. Il l'épousa avant 1091 et eut pour enfants:
** Enguerrand, mort lors de la première croisade à Marah en Palestine.
** Hugues III, qui lui succéda.
** Béatrix de Saint-Pol, devenue héritière du comté d'Amiens, le reporta dans la maison de Boves en épousant Robert, second fils de Thomas de Marle.

     "Selon l’historien Charles du Cange3, Hugues II épousa en secondes noces Marguerite de Clermont-Beauvaisis, comtesse d'Amiens veuve de Charles de Danemark. Ils eurent:
** Raoul
** Guy

     "Marguerite de Clermont épousa ensuite Baudouin d'Encre dont elle eut une fille qui fut mère de Gautier, seigneur d'Heilli, selon un généalogiste du temps de Philippe Auguste.
     "Selon d'autres historien Marguerite de Clermont se serait marié avec Thierry d'Alsace.
Références
1. D'autres sources mentionnent parfois 1118 ou 1119.
2. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy : Comtes de Ponthieu [archive]
3. Histoire manuscrite des comtes d'Amiens, Bibliothèque de l'Arsenal (Paris), cote MS. 3906.
Pour approfondir
Bibliographie
** Maur-François Dantine, Charles Clémencet, Saint-Allais (Nicolas Viton), Ursin Durand, François Clément L'art de vérifier les dates des faits historiques, des chartes, des chroniques et autres anciens ...
** Jean Baptiste François Hennebert, Histoire générale de la province d'Artois
Liens internes
** Liste des comtes de Saint-Pol: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Saint-Pol
** Liste des comtes d'Amiens: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_d%27Amiens
Liens externes
** Comtes de Saint-Pol [archive] sur Medieval Lands."8 GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-27. Hugues II de Campdavaine Comte de St. Pol was also known as Hugues II de Campdavaine Comte de Saint-Pol.2

; Per Racines et Histoire (Ponthie): "Hélissende de Montreuil (citée 1096 et dans une charte de son mari à l’Abbaye de Molesme 17/06/1095)
     ép. avant 1091 Hugues II «Candavène», comte de Saint-Pol ° ~1070 + dès 1118/19"
Per Racines et Histoire (Saint-Pol): "1) Hugues II de Saint-Pol «Le Jeune» ° ~1070 + ~1112/15 comte de Saint-Pol (avant 1080, 1078/80) croisé (1096/99, avec son fils Enguerran), acquiert Lucheux (avant 1095), vassal de Boulogne
     ép. 1) dès 1081 Hélissende de Ponthieu ° ~1053 + après 1096 et avant 1128 (fille d’Hugues II de Ponthieu + 1052, et de Berthe d’Aumale ; soeur de Gui 1er, comte de Ponthieu (donation en accord avec sa femme et tous ses enfants à l’Abbaye de Molesme 17/06/1095.)4"

; From Database of Crusaders:
     Country and Region of Origin     France Nord-Pas-de-Calais (RE) Pas-de-Calais (D)
     Specific Title     Count of Saint-Pol
     Role     Count (lay)
     Gender and Marital Statusa     Male
     Family     son: Engelrand of Saint-Pol (First Crusader)
Crusades
     Expedition     1st Crusade (1096-1099)?
     Contingent Leader     Eustace III of Boulogne?
     Probability of Participation     Certain
     Actions     During the siege of Jerusalem he was employing knights for pay.
     Sources     AA, pp. 96-97, 212-217, 322-323, 402-405. RC, p. 642. OV, vol. 5, pp. 34-35, 54-55, 58-59. WT, pp. 138, 161, 213, 278, 330, 357, 410. CKJ, p. 213.1,9

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120720&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes de Saint-Pol: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Saint-Pol. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120720&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Ponthieu, & Montreuil, Saint-Pol, p. 6: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Ponthieu.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hélesinde de Ponthieu: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120721&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#HuguesIISaintPoldied1118. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#HelissendePonthieuMHuguesIISaintPol
  8. [S4724] Elinor V. Smith, Descendants of Nathaniel Dickinson (n.p.: Dickinson Family Association, 1978), Hugues II de Campdavaine: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugues_II_de_Campdavaine. Hereinafter cited as Smith [1978] Descendants of Nathaniel Dickinson.
  9. [S4754] A Database of Crusaders to the Holy Land | 1095 - 1149, online <https://www.dhi.ac.uk/crusaders/>, https://www.dhi.ac.uk/crusaders/person/?id=424. Hereinafter cited as Crusaders to the Holy Land 1095-1149.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues III dit Candavene: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120722&tree=LEO

Hélesinde de Ponthieu1,2

F, #19963, b. circa 1053, d. before 1128
FatherEnguerrand II de Ponthieu comte de Ponthieu, Montruil et Aumale2,4,3 b. c 1033, d. 25 Oct 1053
MotherAdélaïde (?) de Normandie, comtesse d'Aumale2,3 b. b 1030, d. bt 1081 - 1084
ReferenceGAV26 EDV27
Last Edited24 Apr 2020
     Hélesinde de Ponthieu was born circa 1053.5 She married Hugues II de Campdavaine Comte de St. Pol, son of Hugues I de Campdavaine Count de St. Pol and Clemence (?), before 1081.2,6,7,8,5
Hélesinde de Ponthieu died before 1128.5
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 622.2

; Per Med Lands:
     "HELISSENDE de Montreuil . The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. 1096. "Comes Hugo de Sancto Paulo" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "uxoris sue Helisendis filiorumque suorum Ingelranni et Hugonis" by charter dated 17 Jun 1095[569].
     "m (before 1091) HUGUES [II] Comte de Saint-Pol, son of --- (-before [1118/19])."
Med Lands cites: [569] Molesme, Tome II, 84, p. 89.7 Hélesinde de Ponthieu was also known as Hélesinde de Montreuil.3 GAV-26 EDV-27 GKJ-27.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Ponthie): "Hélissende de Montreuil (citée 1096 et dans une charte de son mari à l’Abbaye de Molesme 17/06/1095)
     ép. avant 1091 Hugues II «Candavène», comte de Saint-Pol ° ~1070 + dès 1118/19"
Per Racines et Histoire (Saint-Pol): "1) Hugues II de Saint-Pol «Le Jeune» ° ~1070 + ~1112/15 comte de Saint-Pol (avant 1080, 1078/80) croisé (1096/99, avec son fils Enguerran), acquiert Lucheux (avant 1095), vassal de Boulogne
     ép. 1) dès 1081 Hélissende de Ponthieu ° ~1053 + après 1096 et avant 1128 (fille d’Hugues II de Ponthieu + 1052, et de Berthe d’Aumale ; soeur de Gui 1er, comte de Ponthieu (donation en accord avec sa femme et tous ses enfants à l’Abbaye de Molesme 17/06/1095.)5"

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120720&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hélesinde de Ponthieu: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120721&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#EnguerrandMontreuildied1053. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Enguerrand II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177490&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Ponthieu, & Montreuil, Saint-Pol, p. 6: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Ponthieu.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#HuguesIISaintPoldied1118
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#HelissendePonthieuMHuguesIISaintPol
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120720&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues III dit Candavene: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120722&tree=LEO

Hugues I de Campdavaine Count de St. Pol1

M, #19964, d. 1070
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited1 Jun 2020
     Hugues I de Campdavaine Count de St. Pol married Clemence (?)
Hugues I de Campdavaine Count de St. Pol died in 1070.
     GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-28. Hugues I de Campdavaine Count de St. Pol was also known as Hugues I de Campdavaine Comte de Saint-Pol.1 He was Comte de Saint-Pol between 1067 and 1070.1

Family

Clemence (?)
Child

Citations

  1. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes de Saint-Pol: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Saint-Pol. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).

Clemence (?)

F, #19965
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited21 Jan 2003
     Clemence (?) married Hugues I de Campdavaine Count de St. Pol.
     GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-28.

Robert VII de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton et Tenremonde, Avoué de Saint-Vaast1,2,3

M, #19966, b. circa 1190, d. circa 11 November 1248
FatherGuillaume II de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton, Choques, Tenremonde, Meulebeke (Molembecque), et Locres (Lokeren), avoué de l’abbaye Saint-Vaast d’Arras4,1,3 b. c 1160, d. 14 Apr 1214
MotherMaud de Tenremond dame de Tenremonde, Lokeren et Meulebeke4,1,3 b. 1185, d. 18 Apr 1224
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited24 Dec 2020
     Robert VII de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton et Tenremonde, Avoué de Saint-Vaast was born circa 1190; Genealogics says b. ca 1190; Racines et Histoire (Bethune) says b. ca 1200.1,2 He married Isabeau/Elisabeth de Morialmé dame de Beloeil et de Fraire-La-Grande, dame de Morialmé, daughter of Arnoul IV de Morialmé Avoué d’Hanzinnes et de Fosse, seigneur de Ham-sur-Heure, Loverval and Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul, in 1230;
Her 2nd husband.5,6,7,1,2,3
Robert VII de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton et Tenremonde, Avoué de Saint-Vaast died circa 11 November 1248 at Sardinia, Italy (now).5,2,1,3
     He was ambassadeur de Flandres en Angleterre.4

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:57.1

; Per Genealogics:
     “Robert VII was a younger son of Guillaume II, seigneur de Béthune, and Mathilde de Dendermonde. As his older brother Daniel was the heir of his father, Robert had no great hopes for a substantial legacy, and so he became a knight in the entourage of Dom Ferrante, infante de Portugal. The house of Béthune belonged to the influential nobility of Artois, a former Flemish fief. However, after an inclusive conflict Artois had to be ceded to the son of Isabelle van Vlaanderen, comtesse d'Artois, the French crown prince Louis VIII. Isabelle's brother Baudouin VI-IX, count of Flanders, the future emperor of Constantinople, had acknowledged this obligation in the Treaty of Peronne (1198). However his son-in-law Dom Ferrante, infante de Portugal, pursued a policy for recovery of Artois, which placed him in opposition to the French royal family. In the tension between these forces the house of Béthune was positioned on both sides. While Robert's father and his brother were faithful to their French lords, Robert chose the side of the counts of Flanders.
     “In 1213 Robert accompanied Dom Ferrante into exile in England after King Philippe II August had invaded Flanders. That same year he and the earl of Salisbury led a successful attack on the French fleet in the harbour of Damme, and an imminent invasion of England was thwarted. The following year he took part in the decisive Battle of Bouvines (27 July 1214), in which King Philippe II August was victorious and captured Dom Ferrante. Robert himself was captured in the battle by a knight who immediately released Robert after he had promised him a ransom. The story was related by an anonymous chronicler who was in Robert's services, and between 1220 and 1223 wrote a chronicle of the French kings _(Chroniques des rois de France et ducs de Normandie)._
     “In 1226 Robert's brother Daniel died without issue, and so Robert inherited the family estate of Béthune, Richebourg and Dendermonde, and the hereditary office of Patron of the church and abbey of Saint-Vaast in Arras. He appears to have reconciled with the French Crown in the following years, as in 1236 he is named as a guarantor of the Treaty of Peronne. Previously Dom Ferrante had already fully renounced his claims, after he was released from prison in 1227.
     “From his marriage to Elisabeth (Isabeau) de Morialmé, dame de Fraire, daughter of Arnould de Morialmé and Jeanne de Bailleul, Robert had two daughters of whom his heiress Mathilde would have progeny, marrying Guy de Dampierre, Graaf van Vlaanderen, Graaf van Namen. In 1248 Robert decided to join the crusade of King Louis IX of France to Egypt (the Sixth Crusade). On his passage to Cyprus he became ill during a stopover in Sardinia, and died about 11 November that year. His body was returned to Arras and was buried there.
     “The Béthune family in a side line continues to this day, descending from Robert's younger brother Guillaume III, seigneur de Meulebeeke et Lokere.”.1 EDV-24.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ROBERT [VII] de Béthune (-Sardinia 11/12 Nov 1248). “Willelmus dominus Bethuniæ et Teneremundæ et advocatus Attreb.” confirmed a donation to Braine Saint-Yved made by “Walterus quondam dominus Teneremundæ”, with the consent of “uxor eius Mathildis, Daniel, Robertus et Balduinus filii eius, item Aelidis et Mathildis filiæ”, by charter dated 1194[285]. "Willermus Attrebatensis advocatus, Bethuniæ ac Teneremundæ dominus et Matildis uxor mea…et filii nostri Daniel primogenitus et Robertus" donated property to Beaupré abbey by charter dated 1212[286]. The 13th century Histoire des ducs de Normandie et des rois d’Angleterre names "Robert don fill" when recording the death of "Guillaumes li avoués de Biethune et li viscuens de Meleun"[287]. "Dominus Robertus, Wilhelmus, Joannes de Bethunia, fratres Danielis tunc temporis domini Bethuniensis, Atrebatensis advocati, et Amalricus de Fontenella, milites, Beatridis comitissa de Gisnes, et Katarina sorores" witnessed the charter dated Nov 1220 under which "Mathildis de Housdaing…domina de Chockes" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Choques[288]. “Robertus de Betunia dominus de Tenremonde” donated the part of the dimes from Molenbeke belonging to "domina et amita mea Margareta de Tenremonde" to the church of Dendermonde by charter dated Feb 1226[289].
     "m as her second husband, ELISABETH de Morialmes, widow of NICOLAS de Condé, daughter of ARNOUL [IV] de Morialmes & his wife Joie --- (-before Jan 1259). Henri Bishop-elect of Liège confirmed that “domina Elisabeth bone memorie quondam advocatissa de Bethunia” on her deathbed by testament founded a chaplaincy at Alne, for the souls of “domini Arnoldi de Morialmeis patris sui et specialiter Joie matris sue que in dicto porticu est sepulta”, recording that “marito suo...R[oberto] quondam advocato de Bethunia” had acquired property from Cambron abbey, and that “dominus Jacobus de Balhuel sucessor et heres dicte Elysabeth matris sue” had transferred land to “Colardi filii sui”, by charter dated Jan 1258 (O.S.)[290]."
Med Lands cites:
[285] Duchesne (1639) Béthune, Preuves, p. 111.
[286] Foppens (1734), Tome III, Pars II, XCII, p. 379.
[287] Michel (1840), p. 142.
[288] Foppens (1734), Tome III, Pars II, XCVII, p. 383.
[289] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Notitia Ecclesiarum Belgii, CLIX, p. 743.
[290] Delescluse & Brouwers (1900), 82, p. 262.3


; Per Racines et Histoire (Béthune): “Robert VII de Béthune ° ~1200 + 11-12/11/1248 (croisé, Sardaigne) seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton & Tenremonde, Avoué de Saint-Vaast, Avoué de Gand, Ambassadeur de Flandres en Angleterre, Pair de Flandres (1191), brûle une flotte française au port de Dam, X à Bouvines dans le camp Flamand (fait prisonnier), Garant du traité de Péronne (1236)
     ép. Isabeau (Elisabeth) de Morialmé (ou Morialmez), dame de Beloeil et de Fraire-La-Grande (Belgique) (fille d’Arnoul IV et de Jeanne de Beloeil ; veuve de Nicolas 1er de Condésur-Escaut + 1230) ”.2
; Per Med Lands:
     "ELISABETH de Morialmes (-before Jan 1259). Hugues Bishop of Liège notified that “Arnulphus vir nobilis de Morialmeis” had granted “villa Ferieres” to “filie sue Elizabeth” by charter dated 1210, witnessed by “Walthero de Lovierval”[910]. Her two marriages are confirmed by the Jan 1258 (O.S.) charter quoted below. “Robertus Fossinensis advocatus et dominus de Moriasmeis et Ysabella uxor mea” confirmed revenue to Saint-Aubain from “decimam...de Montengni” by charter dated 17 May 1235[911]. “Isabias damme de Moriamers” confirmed the donation of “sa dime de Montigni” to Oignies made by “mesire Hoste de Lovierval a lit de sa mort...monsegnor Godescat son filh” by charter dated Nov 1245[912]. Henri Bishop-elect of Liège confirmed that “domina Elisabeth bone memorie quondam advocatissa de Bethunia” on her deathbed by testament founded a chaplaincy at Alne, for the souls of “domini Arnoldi de Morialmeis patris sui et specialiter Joie matris sue que in dicto porticu est sepulta”, recording that “marito suo...R[oberto] quondam advocato de Bethunia” had acquired property from Cambron abbey, and that “dominus Jacobus de Balhuel sucessor et heres dicte Elysabeth matris sue” had transferred land to “Colardi filii sui”, by charter dated Jan 1258 (O.S.)[913].
     "m firstly NICOLAS de Condé, son of ROGER Seigneur de Condé & his first wife Alix de Mons (-23 Jun, 1220 or after).
     "m secondly ROBERT [VII] de Béthune Heer van Dendermonde, son of GUILLAUME [III] de Béthune & his wife Mathilde van Dendermonde (-Sardinia 11/12 Nov 1248)."
Med Lands cites:
[910] Devillers, L. (1899) Chartes du Chapitre de Sainte-Waudru de Mons (Brussels) (“Mons Sainte-Waudru”), Tome I, LVII, p. 99.
[911] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VI (1869), p. 185.
[912] Poncelet, E. ‘Chartes du prieuré d’Oignies’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 31 (Namur, 1912), 119, p. 108.
[913] Delescluse & Brouwers (1900), 82, p. 262.7

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert VII: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122013&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Béthune, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfranord.htm#RobertVIIBethunedied1248. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 4.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Ancestors of Emperor of Charles IV: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ancest/karl4emp.html
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Morialmé: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122014&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#ElisabethMorialmesM2RobertBethune
  8. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 57. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00014208&tree=LEO
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Flandre(s) Vlaanderen, p. 13: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfranord.htm#MathildeBethuneMGuyFlandre

Felicie de Montmirail Dame de La Ferte-Gaucher1

F, #19967, d. 1243
FatherJean I de Montmirail Chatelain de Cambrai1 b. c 1167, d. 28 Sep 1217
MotherHelvide de Dampierre Dame de Somsois1 d. a 1194
Last Edited18 May 2009
     Felicie de Montmirail Dame de La Ferte-Gaucher married Hellie II de Wavrin Seneschall de Flandre, son of Robert I de Wavrin Seneschall de Flandre and Sibylle (?) of Flanders, Heiress of St. Vaast, Lillers & Vladslo.2,1
Felicie de Montmirail Dame de La Ferte-Gaucher died in 1243.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 139.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Felicie de Montmirail: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026312&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hellin II de Wavrin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026311&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert II de Wavrin, knight: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026315&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Nicolas II de Rumigny seigneur de Rumigny et Florennes1,2,3

M, #19968, b. circa 1085, d. 1153
FatherNicolas I de Rumigny4,5,6 b. 1055
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Nicolas II de Rumigny seigneur de Rumigny et Florennes married NN de Chimay, daughter of Alard II de Chimay and Ide de Coucy;
His 1st wife.5,4 Nicolas II de Rumigny seigneur de Rumigny et Florennes was born circa 1085.1,3 He married Alix/Aelidis (?) de Hainaut, daughter of Baudouin II (?) Graaf van Henegouwen, Valenciennes, Ostrevant et Douai and Ida (?) de Louvain, between 1115 and 1120;
His 2nd wife.1,5,4,6,7,8
Nicolas II de Rumigny seigneur de Rumigny et Florennes died in 1153; Genealogy.EU and Racines and Histoire say d. 1153; Med Lands says d. 1153 or after.9,5,6
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 76.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 199.
3. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: II 9.4
GAV-24.

; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders 2): “A9. Aelidis, *before 1098, +after 1153; m.Nicolas II de Rumigny (*ca 1085 +1153)”.10

; Per Med Lands:
     "NICOLAS [II] de Rumigny (-1153 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Nicholaum" as the son of "Nicholaum [filium Condefrido de Ruminiaco]"[497]. Seigneur de Rumigny. He founded Bonnefontaine in 1152[498]. A charter dated 1153 confirmed the foundation of Bonnefontaine by "Nicolaus de Rumigniaco", with the consent of "filio suo Godefrido quem de prima uxore suscepit, et uxore eius Aelide, cum filiis suis Balduino archidiacono et Nicolao"[499].
     "m firstly --- de Chimay, daughter of ALARD [II] de Chimay & his wife ---. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to "filia Alardi de Cimaco" as the unnamed first wife of "Nicholaum"[500]. The chronology of the Rumigny/Florennes family, and particularly that of Nicholas [II]’s second wife, suggests that Alard [II] de Chimay may have been the father of Nicolas [II]’s first wife.
     "m secondly ALEIDIS de Hainaut, daughter of BAUDOUIN II Comte de Hainaut & his wife Ida de Louvain (-7 Apr, 1153 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to "sororem comitis Hainonensium Adelidem nomine" as the second wife of "Nicholaum"[501]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Alidis" as daughter of "Balduino comitis Hanoniensis" and wife of "Hugoni de Ruminio" and their children "Nicholaum qui et Ruminum et Florinas castra possedit, et filias Beatricem et Alidem et Richeldem et tres quarum nescio nomina"[502]. Nicolas Seigneur de Rumigny, Aelide his wife and Nicolas their son founded the church of Notre-Dame de Glant by charter dated 1139[503]. A charter dated 1153 confirmed the foundation of Bonnefontaine by "Nicolaus de Rumigniaco", with the consent of "filio suo Godefrido quem de prima uxore suscepit, et uxore eius Aelide, cum filiis suis Balduino archidiacono et Nicolao"[504]. The necrology of Floreffe records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Adeleidis fundatricis ecclesie beate Marie Boni Fontis"[505]."
Med Lands cites:
[497] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 10, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[498] ES VII 76.
[499] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XLIV, col. 46.
[500] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 10, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[501] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 10, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[502] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 505.
[503] Bucilly V, p. 115.
[504] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XLIV, col. 46.
[505] Floreffe Nécrologe, p. 61.6


; Per Racines et Histoire (Florennes & Rumigny): “Nicolas II de Rumigny ° ~1085 + 1153 ou peu après seigneur de Rumigny et Florennes (fonde Bonnefontaine 1152 ; fonde avec sa seconde épouse l’église Notre-Dame de Glant 1139)
     ép. 1) ? de Chimay (fille d’Alard de Chimay)
     ép. 2) ~1115 Aleidis (Aélide, Adeline) de Hainaut ° avant 1098 + après 1153 (fille de Baudouin II, comte de Hainaut et d’Ida de Louvain) ”.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "AELIDIS de Hainaut (-7 Apr, 1153 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to "sororem comitis Hainonensium Adelidem nomine" as the second wife of "Nicholaum"[188]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Alidis" as daughter of "Balduino comitis Hanoniensis" and wife of "Hugoni de Ruminio"[189], which must be a mistake for "Nicholai". A charter dated 1153 confirmed the foundation of Bonnefontaine by "Nicolaus de Rumigniaco", with the consent of "filio suo Godefrido quem de prima uxore suscepit, et uxore eius Aelide, cum filiis suis Balduino archidiacono et Nicolao"[190]. The necrology of Floreffe records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Adeleidis fundatricis ecclesie beate Marie Boni Fontis"[191].
     "m as his second wife, NICOLAS [II] Seigneur de Rumigny et de Florennes, son of NICOLAS [I] Seigneur de Florennes & his wife --- (-1153 or after). "
Med Lands cites:
[188] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 10, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[189] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 505.
[190] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XLIV, col. 46.
[191] Barbier, J. (ed.) (1876) Nécrologe de l’abbaye de Floreffe (Louvain) ("Floreffe Nécrologe"), p. 61.8


; Per Med Lands (Ref. #2):
     "[daughter . The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to "filia Alardi de Cimaco" as the unnamed first wife of "Nicholaum"[1658]. The chronology of the Rumigny/Florennes family, and particularly that of Nicholas [II]’s second wife, suggests that Alard [II] de Chimay may have been the father of Nicolas [II]’s first wife.
     "m as his first wife, NICOLAS [II] Seigneur de Rumigny et de Florennes, son of NICOLAS [I] Seigneur de Florennes & his wife --- (-1153 or after).]"
Med Lands cites: [1658] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 10, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.11 He was living in 1100.4

Family 1

NN de Chimay

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas II de Rumigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027424&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas II de Rumigny: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027424&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#NicolasRumignydied1153. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix/Aleidis de Hainault: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027426&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#AelidisHainautMNicolasIIRumigny
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders2.html
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders2.html
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#dauAlardChimayMNicolasRumigny
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas III de Rumigny: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027420&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#NicolasIIIRumignydiedbefore1179B
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Béatrix de Rumigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050238&tree=LEO

Alix/Aelidis (?) de Hainaut1,2,3,4

F, #19969, b. before 1098, d. after 1153
FatherBaudouin II (?) Graaf van Henegouwen, Valenciennes, Ostrevant et Douai1,5,6,7,8,9 b. c 1056, d. a 8 Jun 1098
MotherIda (?) de Louvain1,10,8,6,5,9 b. b 1077, d. 1139
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Alix/Aelidis (?) de Hainaut was born before 1098.1,5,6 She married Nicolas II de Rumigny seigneur de Rumigny et Florennes, son of Nicolas I de Rumigny, between 1115 and 1120;
His 2nd wife.1,6,11,12,5,9
Alix/Aelidis (?) de Hainaut died after 1153; Med Lands says d. 7 Apr 1153 or after.1,6,5,9
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders 2): “A9. Aelidis, *before 1098, +after 1153; m.Nicolas II de Rumigny (*ca 1085 +1153)”.13
; Per Med Lands:
     "NICOLAS [II] de Rumigny (-1153 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Nicholaum" as the son of "Nicholaum [filium Condefrido de Ruminiaco]"[497]. Seigneur de Rumigny. He founded Bonnefontaine in 1152[498]. A charter dated 1153 confirmed the foundation of Bonnefontaine by "Nicolaus de Rumigniaco", with the consent of "filio suo Godefrido quem de prima uxore suscepit, et uxore eius Aelide, cum filiis suis Balduino archidiacono et Nicolao"[499].
     "m firstly --- de Chimay, daughter of ALARD [II] de Chimay & his wife ---. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to "filia Alardi de Cimaco" as the unnamed first wife of "Nicholaum"[500]. The chronology of the Rumigny/Florennes family, and particularly that of Nicholas [II]’s second wife, suggests that Alard [II] de Chimay may have been the father of Nicolas [II]’s first wife.
     "m secondly ALEIDIS de Hainaut, daughter of BAUDOUIN II Comte de Hainaut & his wife Ida de Louvain (-7 Apr, 1153 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to "sororem comitis Hainonensium Adelidem nomine" as the second wife of "Nicholaum"[501]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Alidis" as daughter of "Balduino comitis Hanoniensis" and wife of "Hugoni de Ruminio" and their children "Nicholaum qui et Ruminum et Florinas castra possedit, et filias Beatricem et Alidem et Richeldem et tres quarum nescio nomina"[502]. Nicolas Seigneur de Rumigny, Aelide his wife and Nicolas their son founded the church of Notre-Dame de Glant by charter dated 1139[503]. A charter dated 1153 confirmed the foundation of Bonnefontaine by "Nicolaus de Rumigniaco", with the consent of "filio suo Godefrido quem de prima uxore suscepit, et uxore eius Aelide, cum filiis suis Balduino archidiacono et Nicolao"[504]. The necrology of Floreffe records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Adeleidis fundatricis ecclesie beate Marie Boni Fontis"[505]."
Med Lands cites:
[497] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 10, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[498] ES VII 76.
[499] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XLIV, col. 46.
[500] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 10, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[501] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 10, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[502] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 505.
[503] Bucilly V, p. 115.
[504] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XLIV, col. 46.
[505] Floreffe Nécrologe, p. 61.12

; Per Racines et Histoire (Florennes & Rumigny): “Nicolas II de Rumigny ° ~1085 + 1153 ou peu après seigneur de Rumigny et Florennes (fonde Bonnefontaine 1152 ; fonde avec sa seconde épouse l’église Notre-Dame de Glant 1139)
     ép. 1) ? de Chimay (fille d’Alard de Chimay)
     ép. 2) ~1115 Aleidis (Aélide, Adeline) de Hainaut ° avant 1098 + après 1153 (fille de Baudouin II, comte de Hainaut et d’Ida de Louvain) ”.6 GAV-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band II, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. 9.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "AELIDIS de Hainaut (-7 Apr, 1153 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to "sororem comitis Hainonensium Adelidem nomine" as the second wife of "Nicholaum"[188]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Alidis" as daughter of "Balduino comitis Hanoniensis" and wife of "Hugoni de Ruminio"[189], which must be a mistake for "Nicholai". A charter dated 1153 confirmed the foundation of Bonnefontaine by "Nicolaus de Rumigniaco", with the consent of "filio suo Godefrido quem de prima uxore suscepit, et uxore eius Aelide, cum filiis suis Balduino archidiacono et Nicolao"[190]. The necrology of Floreffe records the death "VII Id Apr" of "Adeleidis fundatricis ecclesie beate Marie Boni Fontis"[191].
     "m as his second wife, NICOLAS [II] Seigneur de Rumigny et de Florennes, son of NICOLAS [I] Seigneur de Florennes & his wife --- (-1153 or after). "
Med Lands cites:
[188] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 10, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
[189] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 505.
[190] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XLIV, col. 46.
[191] Barbier, J. (ed.) (1876) Nécrologe de l’abbaye de Floreffe (Louvain) ("Floreffe Nécrologe"), p. 61.9

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix/Aleidis de Hainault: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027426&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#ArnouldHainautRoeulxB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix/Aleidis de Hainault: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027426&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050002&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#BaudouinIIHainautdied1098B
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#AelidisHainautMNicolasIIRumigny
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Louvain: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050003&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas II de Rumigny: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027424&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#NicolasRumignydied1153
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Flanders 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders2.html
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas III de Rumigny: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027420&tree=LEO
  15. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#NicolasIIIRumignydiedbefore1179B
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Béatrix de Rumigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050238&tree=LEO

Matilda/Maud de Bethune1,2

F, #19970
FatherGuillaume I de Bethune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg et de Warneton2 d. bt 1137 - 1147
MotherClémence d'Oisy2 d. a 1165
Last Edited14 Aug 2019
     Matilda/Maud de Bethune married Everard III Radulf de Mortagne Burggrave of Doornick, Castellan of Tournai, son of Everard II Radulf de Mortagne Castellan of Tournai, Sire de Mortagne, Burggrave of Doornick and NN de Hainaut; his 1st wife.1,3,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 57.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174523&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard III Radulf de Mortagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174522&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilda de Tournai: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163344&tree=LEO
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Doornick 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/other/doornick2.html

Guillaume I de Bethune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg et de Warneton1,2,3

M, #19971, d. between 1137 and 1147
FatherRobert IV «Le Gros» de Bethune3 b. c 1090, d. c 1128
MotherAlix (Aélis, Adélaïde) de Peronne3
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited5 Nov 2020
     Guillaume I de Bethune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg et de Warneton married Clémence d'Oisy, daughter of Hugues II d'Oisy châtelain de Cambrai, seigneur d’Oisy et de Crévecoeur and Heldiarde de Mons, before 1129.1,3
Guillaume I de Bethune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg et de Warneton died between 1137 and 1147.1
     EDV-26.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 3.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf, p. 5.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174523&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Clémence d'Oisy1,2

F, #19972, d. after 1165
FatherHugues II d'Oisy châtelain de Cambrai, seigneur d’Oisy et de Crévecoeur1,3 d. 1131
MotherHeldiarde de Mons1 d. 31 Mar 1145
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited5 Nov 2020
     Clémence d'Oisy married Guillaume I de Bethune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg et de Warneton, son of Robert IV «Le Gros» de Bethune and Alix (Aélis, Adélaïde) de Peronne, before 1129.1,2
Clémence d'Oisy died after 1165.2
     EDV-26.

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Cambrai.pdf, p. 5.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II de Cambrai-Oisy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122026&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174523&tree=LEO

Rasso III de Gavre1,2,3,4,5

M, #19973, d. 1150
FatherRasso II de Gavre Steward to the Count of Flanders6,1,5 d. 27 Jun 1149
MotherElisabeth/Ida (?) van Gent7,1,5
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Rasso III de Gavre married Ève /Ida/Eva (?) de Chièvres dite Domizon, daughter of Guy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres and Ida van Ath, circa 1138; her 2nd husband.3,2,8,1,4,5
Rasso III de Gavre died in 1150.9,1
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 76, 89.
2. Nederland's Adelsboek Den Haag , Reference: 1993 15.1


; Per Racines et Histoire (Gavre): “Rasse III de Gavre (Razo de Gavera) +X 1150 (au siège du château de Roucourt, Ostrevant, entre Pécquencourt et Arleux ; inh à l’abbaye de Ghislenghien) chevalier, seigneur de Gavre, Grand-Bouteiller du comte Charles «Le Bon» puis partisan du comte Guillaume «Cliton» (1127), enfin rallié à Thierry «d’Alsace» (témoin en 1120 d’une charte du comte en faveur de l’abbaye de Saint-Pierre près de Gand ; en 1127/28 d’une charte comtale confirmant la coutume de Saint-Omer) (remplace son cimier au lion couronné par un chaperon ou chapelet corné de 2 gants d’hermine fourrée de gueules ; & son cri de guerre : «Gavre au chapelet»)
     ép. ~1138 Domitienne (Domision, Ydomison, Ydon, Ida) de Chièvres, dame de Chièvres et du Sart (fille de Gui et d’Ide de Hainaut ; veuve de Gilles de Chin, seigneur de Berlaymont > d’où une fille, Mahaut de Berlaymont ; ép. 3) Nicolas de Rumigny, seigneur de Florennes, > d’où Nicolas, Hugues, Julienne, Clémence & Yolande) (elle fonde et dote l’Abbaye de Ghislenghien) ”.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "RASO [IV] van Gavre (-killed in battle Raucourt [1150]). "Razonis de Gavere, Razonis filii eius…" signed the charter dated 1130 under which "Heleuuif cum Berta sorore mea" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Gand[476]. “Willelmi de Boular, Arnoldi de Aldenarde, Rasonis de Gauere, Arnoldi fratris eius...” witnessed the charter dated 1150 under which Thierry Count of Flanders confirmed “terra...Oedevelt...et...silva...Meentocht” to Gand Saint-Pierre[477]. The Chronicon Hanoniense records that "miles...Rasso de Gaura" was killed "in obsidione [Roncort]" during the war between Thierry Count of Flanders and “comite Hanoniensi”[478].
     "m (after 1137) as her second husband, EVA de Chièvres, widow of GILLES de Chin Seigneur de Berlaimont, daughter and heiress of GUY de Chièvres & his wife Ida --- (-after her third husband). The Chronicon Hanoniense records that "miles...Rasso de Gaura" married "Damison de Cirvia" after the death of “Egidii de Cin”[479]. Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Saint-Ghislain, including the donation of “unum mansum in Bovingis” made by "Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii", by charter dated 1143[480]. She married thirdly ([1150]) Nicholas [III] Seigneur de Florennes et de Rumigny. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the wife of "Nicholaus [qui et Ruminium et Florinas castra posedit" as "Damison de Cirvia"[481]. “Domina Eva de Cirvia que dicitur Domisons” donated “medietatem ville...Erbisul” to Saint-Ghislain (founded by “genitricis nostre Ide”), for the soul of “viri sui Razonis de Gavara”, by charter dated 1161, signed by “Razonis et Widonis filiorum ipsius Eve, et Razonis...”[482]."
Med Lands cites:
[476] Gand Saint-Pierre, 208, p. 128.
[477] (13 Apr 2020).
[478] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 510.
[479] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 510.
[480] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[481] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 505.
[482] Annales du Cercle Archéologique de Mons, Tome VIII (Mons, 1869), p. 147.5

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rasso III de Gavre: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139596&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve de Chièvres 'dite Domizon': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027421&tree=LEO
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Gavre (van Gavere), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Gavre.pdf
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#RasoIVGavredied1150. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rasso II de Gavre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139594&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Elisabeth (Ida) van Gent): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139595&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EvaChievresM1GillesChin
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 3.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rasso IV de Gavre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139598&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bertha de Gavre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174883&tree=LEO

Ève /Ida/Eva (?) de Chièvres dite Domizon1,2,3

F, #19974, b. circa 1110, d. 1179
FatherGuy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres1,4,5,2,3 d. bt 1120 - 1127
MotherIda van Ath6,1,5,2,3 b. c 1070, d. bt 1125 - 1138
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Ève /Ida/Eva (?) de Chièvres dite Domizon was born circa 1110.7,2 She married Rasso III de Gavre, son of Rasso II de Gavre Steward to the Count of Flanders and Elisabeth/Ida (?) van Gent, circa 1138; her 2nd husband.1,2,3,8,9,10 Ève /Ida/Eva (?) de Chièvres dite Domizon married Jean de Chin seigneur de Berlaimont;
Her 1st husband.2,1,3,11,12 Ève /Ida/Eva (?) de Chièvres dite Domizon married Nicholas III de Rumigny seigneur de Florennes, Rumigny et Chièvres, son of Nicolas II de Rumigny seigneur de Rumigny et Florennes and Alix/Aelidis (?) de Hainaut, after 1150; her 3rd husband.2,1,3,13,14
Ève /Ida/Eva (?) de Chièvres dite Domizon died in 1179.7,3
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "NICOLAS [III] de Rumigny, son of NICOLAS [II] Seigneur de Rumigny & his second wife Aleidis de Hainaut (-before 1179). The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Alidis" as daughter of "Balduino comitis Hanoniensis" and wife of "Hugoni de Ruminio" and their children "Nicholaum qui et Ruminum et Florinas castra possedit, et filias Beatricem et Alidem et Richeldem et tres quarum nescio nomina"[532]. A charter dated 1153 confirmed the foundation of Bonnefontaine by "Nicolaus de Rumigniaco", with the consent of "filio suo Godefrido quem de prima uxore suscepit, et uxore eius Aelide, cum filiis suis Balduino archidiacono et Nicolao"[533]. Seigneur de Florennes, de Rumigny et de Chièvres. "Nicolaii de Rumigni…" signed a charter dated 1157 under which Baudouin IV Comte de Hainaut settled a dispute between the abbey of Crespin and "Theodericum, villicum suum de Harminiaco"[534]. “Nicholaus de Ruminiaco” confirmed “terram adjacentem Liberceio” to Signy, in the presence of “Balduino archidiacono fratre suo...”, abbey by charter dated 1163[535]. His date of death is fixed by the charter dated 1179, cited below, which names his two sons.
     "m (after 1150) as her third husband, EVA de Chièvres, widow firstly of GILLES de Chin Seigneur de Berlaimont and secondly of RASO [IV] van Gavre, daughter and heiress of GUY de Chièvres & his wife Ida --- (-after her third husband). The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the wife of "Nicholaus [qui et Ruminium et Florinas castra posedit" as "Damison de Cirvia"[536]. Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Saint-Ghislain, including the donation of “unum mansum in Bovingis” made by "Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii", by charter dated 1143[537]. “Domina Eva de Cirvia que dicitur Domisons” donated “medietatem ville...Erbisul” to Saint-Ghislain (founded by “genitricis nostre Ide”), for the soul of “viri sui Razonis de Gavara”, by charter dated , signed by “Razonis et Widonis filiorum ipsius Eve, et Razonis...”[538]."
Med Lands cites:
[532] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 505.
[533] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta ecclesiæ Remensis, XLIV, col. 46.
[534] Duvivier, C. (1898) Actes et documents anciens interéssant la Belgique (Brussels), p. 219.
[535] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 152, footnote 2.
[536] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 505.
[537] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[538] Annales du Cercle Archéologique de Mons, Tome VIII (Mons, 1869), p. 147.14


; Per Racines et Histoire (Florennes & Rumigny): “2) Nicolas III de Rumigny ° ~1133 + avant 1179 seigneur de Florennes, Rumigny et Chièvres
     ép. après 1150 Eva de Chièvres ° ~1120 + 1179 (fille et héritière de Gui de Chièvres et d’Ida d’Ath ; veuve de 1) Jean de Chin, seigneur de Berlaimont + ~1143 et de 2) Rasse III (Razo) de Gavre) + 1150 ”.1

; Per Racines et Histoire (Gavre): “Rasse III de Gavre (Razo de Gavera) +X 1150 (au siège du château de Roucourt, Ostrevant, entre Pécquencourt et Arleux ; inh à l’abbaye de Ghislenghien) chevalier, seigneur de Gavre, Grand-Bouteiller du comte Charles «Le Bon» puis partisan du comte Guillaume «Cliton» (1127), enfin rallié à Thierry «d’Alsace» (témoin en 1120 d’une charte du comte en faveur de l’abbaye de Saint-Pierre près de Gand ; en 1127/28 d’une charte comtale confirmant la coutume de Saint-Omer) (remplace son cimier au lion couronné par un chaperon ou chapelet corné de 2 gants d’hermine fourrée de gueules ; & son cri de guerre : «Gavre au chapelet»)
     ép. ~1138 Domitienne (Domision, Ydomison, Ydon, Ida) de Chièvres, dame de Chièvres et du Sart (fille de Gui et d’Ide de Hainaut ; veuve de Gilles de Chin, seigneur de Berlaymont > d’où une fille, Mahaut de Berlaymont ; ép. 3) Nicolas de Rumigny, seigneur de Florennes, > d’où Nicolas, Hugues, Julienne, Clémence & Yolande) (elle fonde et dote l’Abbaye de Ghislenghien) ”.9

; Per Med Lands:
     "RASO [IV] van Gavre (-killed in battle Raucourt [1150]). "Razonis de Gavere, Razonis filii eius…" signed the charter dated 1130 under which "Heleuuif cum Berta sorore mea" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Gand[476]. “Willelmi de Boular, Arnoldi de Aldenarde, Rasonis de Gauere, Arnoldi fratris eius...” witnessed the charter dated 1150 under which Thierry Count of Flanders confirmed “terra...Oedevelt...et...silva...Meentocht” to Gand Saint-Pierre[477]. The Chronicon Hanoniense records that "miles...Rasso de Gaura" was killed "in obsidione [Roncort]" during the war between Thierry Count of Flanders and “comite Hanoniensi”[478].
     "m (after 1137) as her second husband, EVA de Chièvres, widow of GILLES de Chin Seigneur de Berlaimont, daughter and heiress of GUY de Chièvres & his wife Ida --- (-after her third husband). The Chronicon Hanoniense records that "miles...Rasso de Gaura" married "Damison de Cirvia" after the death of “Egidii de Cin”[479]. Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Saint-Ghislain, including the donation of “unum mansum in Bovingis” made by "Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii", by charter dated 1143[480]. She married thirdly ([1150]) Nicholas [III] Seigneur de Florennes et de Rumigny. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the wife of "Nicholaus [qui et Ruminium et Florinas castra posedit" as "Damison de Cirvia"[481]. “Domina Eva de Cirvia que dicitur Domisons” donated “medietatem ville...Erbisul” to Saint-Ghislain (founded by “genitricis nostre Ide”), for the soul of “viri sui Razonis de Gavara”, by charter dated 1161, signed by “Razonis et Widonis filiorum ipsius Eve, et Razonis...”[482]."
Med Lands cites:
[476] Gand Saint-Pierre, 208, p. 128.
[477] (13 Apr 2020).
[478] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 510.
[479] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 510.
[480] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[481] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 505.
[482] Annales du Cercle Archéologique de Mons, Tome VIII (Mons, 1869), p. 147.10


; Per Genealogics:
     “Eve, or Ide, Idon, Domizon or Damison, was the daughter of Guy de Chièvres and Ida van Ath. Her first husband was Jean de Chin. With her second husband Rasso III de Gavre, son of Rasso II de Gavre, steward of the count of Flanders, and possibly Elisabeth (Ida) van Gent, she had Rasso IV and Bertha who would both have progeny. After 1150 she married Nicolas III de Rumigny, son of Nicolas II de Rumigny and Alix/Aleidis de Hainault. Their son Nicolas IV and daughter Julienne would have progeny.”.2

; Per Med Lands:
     "EVA [Damison] de Chièvres (-after her third husband). The primary source which names Eva/Damison as daughter of Guy de Chièvres and his wife Ida has not been identified, but this affiliation is logical when all the sources quoted in this section are read together especially the charters which name her “de Cirvia”. Boussu’s mid-18th century history of Ath confused the issue by stating firstly that “Rase de Gavre” married “Ide d’Ath, seconde fille de Wautier Seigneur d’Ath” and claimed rights to Ath “du chef de sa mère, de même que de sa tante Beatrix” and secondly that this “Rase de Gavre” was son of “Rase de Gavre, second époux d’Ide dame et héritière de Chièvres”[578]. He cites no source which confirms the information, and the general confusion of his description of the early Ath family inspires no confidence. Boussu presumably misinterpreted the Chronicon Hanoniense which records that "miles...Rasso de Gaura" married "Damison de Cirvia" after the death of “Egidii de Cin”, and in a later passage names “Rasso de Gaura, Rassonis et Damison de Cirvia filius”[579]. Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien, including the donation of “unum mansum in Bovingis” made by "Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii", by charter dated 1143[580]. Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai confirmed that “Domina Eva de Cirvia que dicitur Domisons” donated “medietatem ville...Erbisul” to Ghislenghien, for the soul of “viri sui Razonis de Gavara”, by charter dated 1161, signed by “Razonis et Widonis filiorum ipsius Eve, et Razonis...”[581]. Her third marriage is indicated by the Chronicon Hanoniense referring to the wife of "Nicholaus [qui et Ruminium et Florinas castra posedit" as "Damison de Cirvia"[582].
     "m firstly GILLES de Chin Seigneur de Berlaimont, son of --- (-killed in battle [Roullecourt] [1137], bur Ghislenghien).
     "m secondly RASO [IV] van Gavre, son of RASO [III] van Gavre & his wife --- (-killed in battle Raucourt [1150]).
     "m thirdly NICOLAS [III] de Rumigny Seigneur de Florennes et de Rumigny, son of NICOLAS [II] Seigneur de Rumigny & his second wife Aleidis de Hainaut (-before 1179)."
Med Lands cites:
[578] Boussu (1750), p. 48.
[579] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, pp. 510-11.
[580] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[581] Annales du Cercle Archéologique de Mons, Tome VIII (Mons, 1869), p. 147.3


; This is the same person as ”Ève de Chièvres” at Wikipédia (FR).15

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 76, 89.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 191.
3. Nederland's Adelsboek Den Haag , Reference: 1993 15.2


; Per Med Lands:
     "GILLES de Chin (-killed in battle [Roullecourt] [1137], bur Ghislenghien). Gilles was named in his father’s donation to Saint-Ghislain dated to [1133] (see above). Gilles de Chin was the hero of a 15th century epic poem written by Gautier de Tournay[918]. The Chronicon Hanoniense records "Egidius de Cin" as "omnium militum in hoc seculo viventium probissimus in armia dictus est" [“said to be the most skilled in arms of all knights living in that century”], adding that he held “castrum Cirviam” from “uxoris sue Damison de Cirvia”, was “comitis Hanoniensis commilito”, was killed in the war between “comes Namurcensis” and “duce Lovaniensi”, and was buried “apud Sanctum Gislenum”[919]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Egidius de Cin, Gossuinus de Montibus, Eustacius senior de Ruez, Hoelus de Kauren, Ludovicus et Karolus fratres de Frasne, Theodericus de Linea, Iwanus de Waldripont, Henricus et Willelmus fratres de Braina, Robertus de Aisunvilla, Ysaac castellanus Montensis, Willelmus de Birbais" as "comitis [Balduini] [Baudouin IV Comte de Hainaut], Balduinis et Iolendis comitisse filii, commilitones et consiliarii"[920]. The first place in the list accorded to Gilles de Chin reflects his importance at the court of Hainaut. [Seigneur de Berlaimont.] An inscription on his mausoleum records the death “occy a Roullecourt 1137” of “messire Gielles de Chin chambellan de Haynnau, sr de Berlaymont aussi de Chievres et de Sars de par sa femme dame Idon”, adding that he “tua un dragon qui faisoit grand degast au terroir de Wasmes”[921].
     "m as her first husband, EVA de Chièvres, daughter of GUY de Chièvres & his wife Ida --- (-after her third husband). Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien, including the donation of “unum mansum in Bovingis” made by "Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii", by charter dated 1143[922]. She married secondly Raso [IV] van Gavre. “Domina Eva de Cirvia que dicitur Domisons” donated “medietatem ville...Erbisul” to Ghislenghien (founded by “genitricis nostre Ide”), for the soul of “viri sui Razonis de Gavara”, by charter dated , signed by “Razonis et Widonis filiorum ipsius Eve, et Razonis...”[923]. She married thirdly Nicolas [III] de Rumigny Seigneur de Florennes et de Rumigny. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the wife of "Nicholaus [qui et Ruminium et Florinas castra posedit" as "Damison de Cirvia"[924]."
Med Lands cites:
[918] Reiffenberg, Baron de (1847) Gilles de Chin, poème de Gautier de Tournay (Brussels).
[919] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 507.
[920] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 512.
[921] Annales Mons (1857), Tome I, p. 69.
[922] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[923] Annales du Cercle Archéologique de Mons, Tome VIII (Mons, 1869), p. 147.12
She was living in 1143.2

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve de Chièvres 'dite Domizon': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027421&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EvaChievresM1GillesChin. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy de Chièvres: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313174&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030515
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida van Ath: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313171&tree=LEO
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 3.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rasso III de Gavre: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139596&tree=LEO
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Gavre (van Gavere), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Gavre.pdf
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#RasoIVGavredied1150
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean de Chin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139597&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#GillesChin
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas III de Rumigny: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027420&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#NicolasIIIRumignydiedbefore1179B
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Ève de Chièvres: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%88ve_de_Chi%C3%A8vres. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rasso IV de Gavre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139598&tree=LEO
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bertha de Gavre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174883&tree=LEO
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Julienne de Rumigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027113&tree=LEO
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicolas III de Rumigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027420&tree=LEO
  20. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Avesnes.pdf, p. 4.

Guy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres1,2

M, #19975, d. between 1120 and 1127
FatherDietrich I von Ronse Vogt von Ronse3
MotherAdelendis de Chièvres4
ReferenceEDV29
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Guy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres married Ida van Ath, daughter of Gauthier d'Ath Seigneur d'Ath and Ada de Roucy-Ramerupt;
Her 2nd husband.5,6
Guy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres died between 1120 and 1127.2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 88.1 EDV-29.

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY de Chièvres (-after [1120/27]). “...Wido de Chirvia et frater eius Theodericus...” witnessed the charter dated 1117 under which Bouchard Bishop of Cambrai confirmed a donation made to the abbey of Saint-Denis near Mons[574]. "Gossuini de Montibus, Gossuini de Avesnis, Widonis de Cervia, Hugonis de Lens" subscribed the charter dated 1117 under which Baudouin III Comte de Hainaut donated property to the monastery of Saint-Denis[575]. “...Godefridi comitis, Guidonis de Cirvia, Gossuini de Avesnis...” subscribed the charter dated to [1120/27] under which “Lambertum prepositum” renounced claims over Bougnies in favour of the abbey of Saint-Denis en Brocqueroie[576].
     "m IDA, daughter of --- (-after 1125). A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[577]. Ida is named in secondary sources as the daughter of Gauthier de Ath, but the primary source which confirms her family origin has not been identified: follow her hyperlink for a full discussion of the question."
Med Lands cites:
[574] Devillers (1869), Tome V, V, p. 110.
[575] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, LXIV, p. 677.
[576] Duvivier (1865), CXVbis, p. 534.
[577] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.2
Guy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres and Ida van Ath lived at an unknown place ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY de Chièvres (-after [1120/27]). “...Wido de Chirvia et frater eius Theodericus...” witnessed the charter dated 1117 under which Bouchard Bishop of Cambrai confirmed a donation made to the abbey of Saint-Denis near Mons[574]. "Gossuini de Montibus, Gossuini de Avesnis, Widonis de Cervia, Hugonis de Lens" subscribed the charter dated 1117 under which Baudouin III Comte de Hainaut donated property to the monastery of Saint-Denis[575]. “...Godefridi comitis, Guidonis de Cirvia, Gossuini de Avesnis...” subscribed the charter dated to [1120/27] under which “Lambertum prepositum” renounced claims over Bougnies in favour of the abbey of Saint-Denis en Brocqueroie[576].
     "m IDA, daughter of --- (-after 1125). A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[577]. Ida is named in secondary sources as the daughter of Gauthier de Ath, but the primary source which confirms her family origin has not been identified: follow her hyperlink for a full discussion of the question."
Med Lands cites:
[574] Devillers (1869), Tome V, V, p. 110.
[575] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, LXIV, p. 677.
[576] Duvivier (1865), CXVbis, p. 534.
[577] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.2

; Per Med Lands:
     "The existence of two different noblewomen named Ida, one married to Gossuin [II] de Mons, the other to Guy de Chièvres, is confirmed by the 1125 charter quoted below. Roland, in his study of the seigneurs de Florennes/Rumigny, had suggested that they were the same person[557]. The suggestion proved controversial, the debate revolving around two charters dated 1143 and 1161 which name the founder of the abbey of Ghislenghien: Nicolas de Mons Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien founded by “genetricis nostræ Idæ”, including the donation of “tertiam partem...in Gisbecca” donated by “Gascuinus frater noster de Mons” for the soul of “matris nostræ Idæ” and “aliam partem in eadem villa Gisbecca” donated by “Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii", by charter dated 1143[558], and “Domina Eva de Cirvia que dicitur Domisons” [the same person named in the 1143 charter] donated “medietatem ville...Erbisul” to Ghislenghien by charter dated 1161[559]. The 1143 document also clarifies that Gossuin [III] de Mons and Eva de Chièvres jointly owned “villa Gisbecca” which, if Roland’s hypothesis is correct, would have been inherited from their mother. A rather garbled variation of the hypothesis had been indicated in the early 17th century by Gazet who said that Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai was “issu de la noble famille de Widon seigneur de Chieures et de madame Ide”[560]. The chronology would be tight for Nicolas to have been born from his mother’s supposed second marriage. The question is settled by the 1125 charter.
     "The parentage of the two persons named Ida is also controversial. The Marquis de Trazegnies suggests that they were half-sisters, daughters of Ada de Ramerupt, the wife of Gossuin de Mons being her daughter by her first husband while Guy de Chièvres’s wife was her daughter by Gauthier d’Ath[561]. This suggestion appears possible chronologically, although if correct the absence of the other daughters of Gauthier d’Ath/Ada de Ramerupt (see above) and of the son(s) of Geoffroy de Guise/Ada de Ramerupt (see the document NORTHERN FRANCE-VALOIS/VEXIN/VERMANDOIS) as joint suzerains of the 1125 property is difficult to explain. The most likely explanation appears to be that the two ladies named Ida were first cousins, each only children, and that in 1125 they were the only living descendants of their unknown ancestor from whom they had jointly inherited their interest in the property which was the subject of the 1125 charter.
     "No primary source has been identified which links either Ida to the Ath family. Boussu’s mid-18th century history of Ath is the earliest secondary source so far identified which makes the connection. Boussu’s text is confused, stating firstly that “Rase de Gavre” married “Ide d’Ath, seconde fille de Wautier Seigneur d’Ath” and claimed rights to Ath “du chef de sa mère, de même que de sa tante Beatrix”, and secondly that this “Rase de Gavre” was son of “Rase de Gavre, second époux d’Ide dame et héritière de Chièvres”[562]. Van Overstraeten names “Ide d’Ath” (mother of “Ide dite Domison de Chièvres”) and “Ide de Chièvres” (mother of Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai, son of Gossuin [II] de Mons) as joint founders of Ghislenghien[563]. It should also be noted that Bertha de Gavre, grandaughter of Ida wife of Guy de Chièvres, married Eustache [II] Seigneur de Rœulx, grandson of Béatrix d’Ath wife of Arnoul de Hainaut: if Ida and Béatrix had been sisters, the family relationship between husband and wife would have required a Papal dispensation.
     "Pending the emergence of further source material which indicates their family origins, the two ladies are shown below in the Ath chapter for convenience.
     "1. IDA (-[1126/35]). “Gotsuinus de Montibus” donated property to “quemdam bone memorie virum Aybertum nomine Reclusum”, with the consent of “conjuge mea Ida et filiis nostris Ysaac...”, by charter dated 1122[564]. A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[565]. Reiffenberg records that “Ide” returned serfs to Ghislenghien abbey, in the presence of “ses fils Gossuin et Isaac et d’Isembert leur oncle”, by charter dated 1126[566]. “Isaac” donated serfs to Ghislenghien abbey, for the souls of “mon père Gossuin de Mons et...de ma mère Ide”, with the consent of “mes frères Nicolas et Gossuin et ma sœur Ermengarde avec son mari Gautier”, by charter dated 1135[567]. She is named in the charter dated 1143 under which Nicolas de Mons Bishop of Cambrai confirmed the property of Ghislenghien abbey founded by “genetricis nostræ Idæ”, including the donation of “tertiam partem...in Gisbecca” donated by “Gascuinus frater noster de Mons” for the soul of “matris nostræ Idæ” and “aliam partem in eadem villa Gisbecca” donated by “Domina Æva quæ cognominatur Domoisuns" for the soul of "viri sui Ægidii"[568].
     "m GOSSUIN [II] de Mons, son of GOSSUIN [I] de Mons & his wife Ermengarde --- (-[1125/26]).
     "2. IDA (-after 1125). A charter dated 1125 records donations to Liessies, including the donation of land “inter Bovenies et Aath” made by “Rainerus de Mafles” in the presence of “Ida, uxor Gosuini Montensis et Ida uxor Widonis de Cirvia...in earum dominatu eandem terram tenebamus”[569]. Ida is named in secondary sources as the daughter of Gauthier de Ath, but the primary source which confirms her family origin has not been identified.
     "m GUY de Chièvres, son of --- (-after [1120/27])."
Med Lands cites:
[557] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), pp. 147-8, footnote 2.
[558] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[559] Annales du Cercle Archéologique de Mons, Tome VIII (Mons, 1869), p. 147.
[560] Gazet, G. (1614) L’Histoire ecclésiastique du Pays-Bas (Valenciennes), p. 30.
[561] Trazegnies, O. de ‘Les trous noirs en généalogie. Quelques réflexions sur l’origine des Trazegnies et sur l’histoire d’Ath’, Le Parchemin, no. 350 (Mar-Apr 2004), pp. 132-55 (“Trazegnies ‘Ath’ (2004)”), [“tirage à part”] p. 15, no citation reference.
[562] Boussu, G. J. de (1750) Histoire de la ville d’Ath (Mons), p. 48.
[563] Van Overstraeten, D. (1976) Inventaire des Archives de l’abbaye de Ghislenghien (Brussels), pp. 5, 204-7, 398 (information provided by Thierry d’Orjo by email 19 Feb 2019)
[564] Wauters, A. ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’, Bulletin de la Commission royale d’Histoire, 10 (1882), p. 22.
[565] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.
[566] Reiffenberg, Baron de (1848) Monuments pour servir à l’histoire des provinces de Namur, de Hainaut et de Luxembourg (Brussels), Tome VIII, pp. 361-2, no citation reference for the charter.
[567] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, p. 361 (French translation of the charter, no citation reference for the original).
[568] (Miraeus) Foppens (1734), Tome III, p. 40.
[569] Wauters ‘Analectes de diplomatique, 3e série’ (1882), p. 32.
Guy de Chièvres Sire de Chièvres was living in 1117.1

Family

Ida van Ath b. c 1070, d. bt 1125 - 1138
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy de Chièvres: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313174&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030515. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313178&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelendis de Chièvres: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313179&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida van Ath: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313171&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IdaAthMGuyChievres
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve de Chièvres 'dite Domizon': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027421&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EvaChievresM1GillesChin

Robert V "Le Roux" de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton et Choques, avoué d’Arras1,2

M, #19976, b. circa 1130, d. 10 January 1191
FatherGuillaume I de Bethune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg et de Warneton d. bt 1137 - 1147
MotherClémence d'Oisy d. a 1165
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Robert V "Le Roux" de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton et Choques, avoué d’Arras was born circa 1130.3 He married Adelaide de St. Pol, daughter of Hugues III dit Candavène de St. Pol Comte de St. Pol, Comte de Hesdin and Beatrix (?) de Rollancourt, circa 1165.2,3
Robert V "Le Roux" de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton et Choques, avoué d’Arras died on 10 January 1191 at Acre, HaTzafon (Northern District), Palestine (Israel now).1
     He was ambassadeur de Flandres en Angleterre.3 EDV-26.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122016&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aumale.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 3.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00315264&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174512&tree=LEO

Adelaide de St. Pol

F, #19977
FatherHugues III dit Candavène de St. Pol Comte de St. Pol, Comte de Hesdin1 b. s 1080, d. a 1145
MotherBeatrix (?) de Rollancourt1,2 d. b 1128
ReferenceEDV26 GKJ25
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Adelaide de St. Pol married Robert V "Le Roux" de Béthune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg, Warneton et Choques, avoué d’Arras, son of Guillaume I de Bethune seigneur de Béthune, Richebourg et de Warneton and Clémence d'Oisy, circa 1165.3,1
     EDV-26 GKJ-25.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 57.4 Adelaide de St. Pol was also known as Adelaïde (Adelise) de Saint-Pol.1 She was living in 1165.4

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 15 October 2019), memorial page for Beatrix de Rollancourt (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 104469414, citing Abbaye de Cercamp, Frevent, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France ; Maintained by Mad (contributor 47329061), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104469414/beatrix-de_rollancourt. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aumale.pdf, p. 3.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelise: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122017&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122016&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baudouin de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00315264&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Béthune: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174512&tree=LEO

Robert IV «Le Gros» de Bethune1

M, #19978, b. circa 1090, d. circa 1128
FatherRobert III «Le Chauve» de Bethune seigneur de Béthune et Richebourg, avoué d’Arras, Régent de Flandres1 d. 6 Oct 1101
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Robert IV «Le Gros» de Bethune married Alix (Aélis, Adélaïde) de Peronne, daughter of Robert II de Peronne.1 Robert IV «Le Gros» de Bethune was born circa 1090.1
Robert IV «Le Gros» de Bethune died circa 1128.1
     EDV-27.

Alix (Aélis, Adélaïde) de Peronne1

F, #19979
FatherRobert II de Peronne1 d. c 1080
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited8 Nov 2020

Robert III «Le Chauve» de Bethune seigneur de Béthune et Richebourg, avoué d’Arras, Régent de Flandres1

M, #19980, d. 6 October 1101
FatherRobert II "d'Arras" de Béthune seigneur de Béthune1 d. 1071
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Robert III «Le Chauve» de Bethune seigneur de Béthune et Richebourg, avoué d’Arras, Régent de Flandres died on 6 October 1101.1
     EDV-28.

Family

Children

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bethune.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.