Adeliz/Adelinde (?)1
F, #10771
Reference | GAV27 EDV26 |
Last Edited | 22 Apr 2007 |
Family | William I de Mohun d. a 1190 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S2049] Peter Stewart, "Kirkemo email 23 Mar 2006: "RE: Two William de Mohuns"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Mar 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Kirkemo email 23 Mar 2006."
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-25, p. 126. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln1
M, #10772, b. circa 1077, d. 1139
Father | Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby2,3,4 b. c 1039, d. c 1095 |
Mother | Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle2,5,6 b. 1050, d. 1091 |
Reference | GAV27 |
Last Edited | 10 Mar 2020 |
Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln was born circa 1077 at Folkingham, Lincolnshire, England.7 He married Maud (Matilda) (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre, daughter of Etienne I (?) Comte de Tréguier et de Lamballe, Lord of Richmond and Hawise (Hedwig) (?) de Guincamp, before 1120.8,9,2
Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln was buried in 1139 at Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1080, Folkingham, South Kesteven District, Lincolnshire, England
DEATH 1139 (aged 58–59), Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England.
Walter was the son of Gilbert de Gaunt, by Alice, sometimes called Emma, daughter of Hugh, comté de Montfort, and eventually heir of her brother. He founded the priory of Bridlington about 1114 and was a member of Henry I's Council in 1121/22 and again in 1131. He was at Stephen's Easter court in 1136, and was at the Battle of the Standard in 1138. He died in 1139, after having taken the habit at Bardney. He bequeathed to Bridlington a reliquary sent to him from Jerusalem by Baldwin, his sister's husband.
Family Members
Parents
Gilbert de Gaunt 1048–1095
Alix De Montfort-Sur-Risle De Gaunt 1050–1091
Spouse
Mahaut De Bretagne De Gaunt 1092–1135
Children
NN de Gant Welle
Alice De Gaunt De Mowbray 1120–1176
Gilbert de Gant 1126–1156
BURIAL Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England
Created by: Kat
Added: 7 Feb 2012
Find A Grave Memorial 84639954.10
Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln died in 1139.8,11,9
GAV-27 EDV-25.
Reference: Weis [1992:125-6], Line 143-24.12 Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln was also known as Walter de Gant Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln.11
Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln was buried in 1139 at Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1080, Folkingham, South Kesteven District, Lincolnshire, England
DEATH 1139 (aged 58–59), Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England.
Walter was the son of Gilbert de Gaunt, by Alice, sometimes called Emma, daughter of Hugh, comté de Montfort, and eventually heir of her brother. He founded the priory of Bridlington about 1114 and was a member of Henry I's Council in 1121/22 and again in 1131. He was at Stephen's Easter court in 1136, and was at the Battle of the Standard in 1138. He died in 1139, after having taken the habit at Bardney. He bequeathed to Bridlington a reliquary sent to him from Jerusalem by Baldwin, his sister's husband.
Family Members
Parents
Gilbert de Gaunt 1048–1095
Alix De Montfort-Sur-Risle De Gaunt 1050–1091
Spouse
Mahaut De Bretagne De Gaunt 1092–1135
Children
NN de Gant Welle
Alice De Gaunt De Mowbray 1120–1176
Gilbert de Gant 1126–1156
BURIAL Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England
Created by: Kat
Added: 7 Feb 2012
Find A Grave Memorial 84639954.10
Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln died in 1139.8,11,9
GAV-27 EDV-25.
Reference: Weis [1992:125-6], Line 143-24.12 Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln was also known as Walter de Gant Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln.11
Family | Maud (Matilda) (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre b. c 1077, d. 1139 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 156-24, p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert van Ghent: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092005&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#GilbertGentdied1095. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice de Montfort: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485323&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille Bertran(d) de Bricquebec: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10888
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 143-24, pp. 125-126.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bretagne 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bretagne/bretagne3.html
- [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 10 March 2020), memorial page for Walter de Gaunt (1080–1139), Find A Grave Memorial no. 84639954, citing Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England ; Maintained by Kat (contributor 47496397), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84639954/walter-de_gaunt. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 103, de GANT 1:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 143-24, pp. 125-126: "...commander in the battle of the Standard 1138, founder of Bridlington Priory, co. York bef 1113-14."
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 156-25, p. 137.
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I43973
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert de Gant: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00333200&tree=LEO
Maud (Matilda) (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre1
F, #10773, b. circa 1077, d. 1139
Father | Etienne I (?) Comte de Tréguier et de Lamballe, Lord of Richmond1,2 b. c 1060, d. 21 Apr 1136 |
Mother | Hawise (Hedwig) (?) de Guincamp1,3 d. a 1134 |
Reference | GAV25 EDV25 |
Last Edited | 26 Jul 2020 |
Maud (Matilda) (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre was born circa 1077.4 She married Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln, son of Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby and Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle, before 1120.5,1,6
Maud (Matilda) (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre died in 1139.1
GAV-25 EDV-25.
Maud (Matilda) (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre died in 1139.1
GAV-25 EDV-25.
Family | Walter de Gaunt Baron of Folkingham, co. Lincoln b. c 1077, d. 1139 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bretagne 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bretagne/bretagne3.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Etienne I|Stephen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293976&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hawisa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293977&tree=LEO
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10860
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-24, pp. 125-126. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 156-25, p. 137.
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I43973
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert de Gant: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00333200&tree=LEO
Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby1,2
M, #10774, b. circa 1039, d. circa 1095
Father | Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders3,2,4 b. c 1009, d. a 1058 |
Mother | Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg3,4,5 b. b 1019, d. a 1058 |
Reference | GAV26 EDV26 |
Last Edited | 24 Aug 2020 |
Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby was born circa 1039 at Alost, France.6 He married Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle, daughter of Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre and NN de Beaufour, in 1071.7,8,4,9,10,11
Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby died circa 1095 at Folkingham, South Kesteven District, Lincolnshire, England.7,4,10,12
Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby was buried circa 1095 at Bardney Abbey, Bardney, Lincolnshire, England; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1048, Ghent, Arrondissement Gent, East Flanders (Oost-Vlaanderen), Belgium
DEATH 1095 (aged 46–47), Folkingham, South Kesteven District, Lincolnshire, England
Gilbert was the son of Rudolph de Gand and Gisele of Luxembourg. He probably arrived in England in 1066; was a commander in York 1068, and was taken prisoner there by the Danes in 1069. He was a tenant-in-chief and one of the largest landholders in co. Lincoln in 1086. Folkingham being the head of his barony.
He married Alice de Montfort, daughter of Count Hugh de Montfort-sur-Risle and Alice de Beaufou. Gilbert and Alice had at least seven children:
** Unnamed Dauughter who married Ivo (Ives) de Grantsmenil
** Agnes
** Filia
** Emma who married Allan (Algernon) de Percy
** Hugh who married Adeline de Beaumont
** Walter
** Adeliza who married William FitzNigel
Family Members
Spouse
Alix De Montfort-Sur-Risle De Gaunt 1050–1091
Children
Walter de Gaunt 1080–1139
BURIAL Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England
Created by: Kat
Added: 7 Feb 2012
Find A Grave Memorial 84641942.13,12
; Who were the parents of Gilbert de Gant?
compiled by Raymond W. Phair
[This article has been slightly modified from a posting which was made to GEN-MEDIEVAL / soc.genealogy.medieval on 12 July 1999.]
His parents very probably were Ralph, lord of Alost (Aalst in Flemish), and Gisele, daughter of Frederick count of Luxembourg.
Sherman has given the most recent detailed account which is the basis for what is summarized below, unless another reference is stated. All the records cited by Sherman have been published. He emphasized the evidence was very strong, but not conclusive.
Gilbert I de Gant (d. ca.1095) was in England by 1069 when he and William Malet unsuccessfully defended York castle against the Danish invasion and local rebellion [Sherman; EYC 2:432; CP 6:672n; P. Dalton, Conquest, anarchy and lordship, 1994, p.11].
A 1075 transaction in the Watten abbey chronicle was witnessed by Gilbert, described as having come from England and as the brother of Baldwin of Ghent. In 1052 Ralph of Ghent and his son Baldwin attested a charter of the abbey of St. Peter of Mount Blandin, Ghent (Gand, Gent), presumably the same Baldwin. Their records are the main source of information for this family.
Ralph the Advocate was one of the advocates of St. Peter from as early as 1026 to sometime before 1058. He was succeeded by Baldwin the Advocate. They are believed to be Gilbert's father and brother mentioned in the previous paragraph. It is from their service as advocates that some members of their family were called 'de Gandavo' (of Ghent). Sherman proposed the castellans of Ghent were the other family of advocates of St. Peter. He also noted that while Gilbert's family were the lords of what was probably the county of Alost, they were never titled counts in any records.
In a 1094 gift to the abbey of Bergues St. Winnoc, witnessed by Baldwin of Ghent (son of Gilbert's brother Baldwin who d. 1082), Ralph the Chamberlain identified himself as a son of Ralph of Alost and Gisele. He was a fellow witness with Gilbert to the 1075 transaction mentioned above. He may have been the Ralph son of Ralph in a 1056 charter of St. Peter, prior to his appointment as chamberlain. Alternatively, the 1056 Ralph son of Ralph might have been Gilbert's father, but he appeared to have been dead in that year, or someone unrelated.
The annals of St. Peter record about 1042 a gift from Ralph of Ghent and his wife Gisele -- their earliest joint appearance. They had at least 3 sons: Baldwin (their heir), Ralph the Chamberlain, and Gilbert. It is thus extremely probable that she was the unidentified Gisele in 1056 and 1058 who gave land and a serf to the abbey for the souls of her father, her husband Ralph, and her sons. Both of her gifts were witnessed by Baldwin, Ralph, and Gilbert, described as her sons. Although they were not called 'of Alost' or 'of Ghent', it would be an extraordinary coincidence if these were not the members of that family.
Rubincam, using a source not used by Sherman (and published after Vanderkindere), found that in 1036 Ralph of Ghent and his wife Gisele made a gift to the abbey. Neither Rubincam nor Sherman provided sufficient details to determine if this was the gift Sherman reported occurred in 1042. Rubincam also found, but didn't cite a source, that Ralph in 1056 witnessed a gift by count Baldwin to the abbey of St. Omer. Rubincam believed he was Gilbert's father, but he was probably the brother.
Assuming this was Gilbert de Gant in the 1056 gift and that he was about 16 or older, then he was born about 1040 or earlier. His brother Baldwin was probably the Baldwin of Ghent who witnessed a St. Peter charter in 1046, suggesting he was born about 1030 or earlier.
Also, if that was a grant by Gilbert's mother, then his father Ralph had apparently died sometime between 1052 (his last occurrence) and 1056. His parentage is unknown, but it seems likely that he was a descendant of the Ralph the Advocate who appeared in the abbey's records in 994.
Vanderkindere (1:121) mentioned a Baldwin occured as advocate in 962 (not discussed by Sherman) who may thus be another ancestor of Ralph. Moriarty assumed Baldwin was the father of the earlier Ralph who was in turn the father of Ralph husband of Gisele. In view of the large gaps, however, there may have been additional generations.
Gilbert's mother was probably the Gisele who was a sister of Otgiva (Ogive), wife of Baldwin IV count of Flanders, and thus Gilbert was one of Charlemagne's descendants. The burials of both Otgiva (d. 21 Feb 1030) and Gisele (d. 21 May, year unknown) are mentioned in the annals of St. Peter, but it, unfortunately, did not name Gisele's husband.
Europaische Stammtafeln (ES), 6:128 (1978), identified Gisele as a daughter of count Frederick and wife of Ralph of Alost, but didn't show their children on that page. It also showed her sister Otgiva married about 1005 Baldwin IV. ES 2:5 (1984) had 1012 for Otgiva's marriage date, as did K.F. Werner's 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen', in Karl der Grosse, ed. W. Braunfels, vol.4 (1967).
Sherman wondered if the erroneous ancestry for Gilbert given in Monasticon Anglicanum (5:491) may have arisen when the unknown author, writing after 1307, found in an unknown source that Gilbert was described as 'nepos' of William the Conqueror and assumed it to mean 'nephew', although in this case its less frequent meaning of 'kinsman' was intended. Gilbert was the first cousin once removed of William's wife, if the assumption about Gisele's identity is correct.
Gilbert's name appears to have come from his mother's family -- her older brother was Gilbert count of Luxembourg (1047-59), and she had a paternal uncle also named Gilbert. He had a son named Ralph and a grandson named Baldwin, while his brother Baldwin of Ghent named one of his sons Gilbert [CP 7:672; Sherman].
Sherman didn't mention if any tenants of Gilbert de Gant in England can be traced to Flanders. Gilbert did not seem to hold any land in Flanders.
The identification of Gilbert's father as Ralph of Alost first appeared in A. Duchesne, Histoire genealogique des maisons ... de Gand..., 1631. Among the many later writers who have given it were the following:
* L.V.J.A. Vanderkindere, Histoire de la formation territoriale des principautes belges au moyen age, vol.1 (1899).
* W. Farrer, Early Yorkshire Charters (EYC), 2:432 (1915).
* Complete Peerage (CP), 7:672n (1929).
* M. Rubincam, 'The true origin of the house of Gaunt', Genealogists' magazine, 9:1-7 (1940).
* F.M. Stenton, Anglo-Saxon England, 1st ed., 1941, p.621; 3rd ed., 1971, p.629 (no source). D.C. Douglas, William the Conqueror, 1964, p.267, only cited Stenton for it.
* G.A. Moriarty, 'The ancestry of Gilbert de Gant', The American Genealogist, 34:39-40 (1958).
* R.M. Sherman, 'The continental origins of the Ghent family of Lincolnshire', Nottingham Medieval Studies, 22:23-35 (1978).
Sherman did not use Farrer, Rubincam, nor Moriarty. See his paper for references to additional works discussing this family.14
; Dr.Hist. E. Warlop, "The Flemish Nobility before 1300" (1976), volume III page 590-591, tells about him the following:
Gilbert, mentioned 1056-1075, Lord of Folkingham after 1066. See Duchesne (Guines p.148 and Pr., pp.168-169) about him and his descendants in Engeland.
Parents:
Ralph of Ghent, advocate of St.Peters's Abbey at Ghent, nobilis, 1031/34-1052
Gisela of Luxemburg (1056), sister-in-law of count Baldwin IV of Flanders.
Ralph and Gisela had 4 sons:
** Baldwin I (1046-1082); Ralph (1056-1096);
** Gilbert (1056-1075);
** Ragenfrid (1075). One might deduce that in 1056
** Gilbert was at least 14 years, so his birth must have been in 1042 or earlier. This would make him in 1066 of "combat age".
Hans Vogels
familyhistorian@kc.rr.com ("Ed Crabtree") wrote in message news:<006801c362e5$b51b3d80$cbdc1f41@kc.rr.com>...
>> I am confused - nothing new there.
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>> Who are the parents of Gilbert De GANT, born c1048, died c1094 who married
>> Alice De MONTFORT?
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>> I see his parents as Ralph De GANTand Gisele of LUXEMBOURG and also Baldwin
>> of FLANDERS and Richildis of HAINAUT. Which is correct? if either of them.
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>> Thanks.
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>> Ed Crabtree
>> From the State of Missouri in the USA
>> familyhistorian@kc.rr.com.3
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; Per Wikipedia:
"Gilbert de Gant (Giselbert de Gand, Ghent, Gaunt)[1] (c.1040 – 1095) was the son of Ralph, Lord of Aalst near Ghent, and Gisele of Luxembourg, the sister-in-law of Baldwin IV, Count of Flanders. Gilbert de Gant was a kinsman of Matilda of Flanders, wife of William the Conqueror. He had two brothers, Baldwin and Ralph. Gilbert of Ghent is mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086 as having been given titles of 172 English manors (most in Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire) but also within 14 shires where there were estates including York, Derby, Huntingdonshire, Leicestershire and Cambridgeshire.[2]
"Gilbert de Gant was a commander with William Malet when the city of York was put to the torch on 19 September 1069.[3] Gilbert died about 1095 being buried at Bardney Abbey near Lincoln City. He had married Alice de Montfort-sur-Risle in about 1071 and had numerous children amongst whom were Walter de Gant (father of Gilbert, Earl of Lincoln), Gilbert, Hugh, Robert (Lord Chancellor), Ralph, Henry, Emma and Agnes.
Notes
1. "Gislebert (Gant) de Gand (abt. 1048 -1095)". WikiTree. Retrieved 23 May 2019.
2. Domesday Map online British Museum
3. Dalton 2002
References
** Dalton, Paul (2002). Conquest, anarchy, and lordship : Yorkshire, 1066-1154. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-52464-3.
** Oksanen, Eljas (13 September 2012). "Flemish immigration to England". Flanders and the Anglo-Norman World, 1066-1216. Cambridge University Press. p. 204. ISBN 978-0-521-76099-7. Retrieved 5 April 2013."13
; Per Med Lands:
"GILBERT, son of --- (-[1095]). "…Balduini filii ipsius Gisle, item filiorum eius Rodulphi, Gisleberti…" signed the charter dated 1056 by which Baudouin V Count of Flanders approved the donation by "matrona Gisla" of "Ronneka" to the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Gand[753]. "Gisla" granted a serf to the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Gand by charter dated Apr 1058, signed by "Balduuini filii ipsius Gislæ, item filiorum eius Rodulfi, Gisleberti…"[754]. A manuscript genealogy of the Gant family names “Giselbertus de Gaunt, filius Baldwini comitis de Flandria” when recording that he accompanied “Willielmo conquestore avunculo suo” to England[755]. Flemish primary sources do not confirm that Gilbert was the son of Baudouin Count of Flanders. However, it would be chronological consistent if he was the same person as Giselbert, son of Rudolf van Gent, although the primary source which confirms that this is correct has not yet been identified. The Stemma fundatoris of Bardney Abbey records that ”Gislebrictus de Gaunt” came [to England] with “Willielmo Bastardo avunculo suo”[756]. No family relationship between Gilbert and William I King of England has been established, although they would of course be related if Gilbert was a member of the comital family of Flanders as indicated by the manuscript quoted above. The Chronica Monasterii Watinensis cites a donation by "Walterus Bergensis", witnessed by (among others) "Gislebertus frater Balduini Gandensis qui ab Anglia tunc venerat"[757]. Domesday Book records land held by “Gilbert de Ghent” in Rowbury Hundred in Berkshire; Church Hanborough and Ewelme in Oxfordshire; numerous properties in Lincolnshire[758]. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of land “in Fereby” by “Gilbertus de Gaunt”[759]. Lord of Folkingham.
"m ALIX de Montfort-sur-Risle, daughter of HUGUES [II] de Montfort-sur-Risle & his first wife --- de Beaufour. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “secundus Hugo”, son of “Turstinus...de Bastenburc...[filium] Hugonem cum barba de Monteforti”, had “de filia Richardi de Bellofago...unam filiam” who married “Giselbertus de Ganz”[760]. The Stemma fundatoris of Bardney Abbey names “Alicia de Monteforti” as wife of ”Gislebrictus de Gaunt”[761]. She succeeded her brother as Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle, presumably when his properties were confiscated after he was accused of treason in 1107[762].
"Gilbert & his wife had [nine] children."
Med Lands cites:
Reference: Weis [1992:125] Line 143-22.15 Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby was also known as Gilbert van Ghent Lord of Folkingham.4
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Alice de Montfort ° 1050 ép.~1071 Gilbert de Gand ° ~1048 + ~1094/95, baron de Folkingham, seigneur de Hunmanby (fils de Raoul, seigneur d’Alost, et de Gisle) récupère la seigneurie de Montfort des mains du Roi."11
Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby died circa 1095 at Folkingham, South Kesteven District, Lincolnshire, England.7,4,10,12
Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby was buried circa 1095 at Bardney Abbey, Bardney, Lincolnshire, England; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1048, Ghent, Arrondissement Gent, East Flanders (Oost-Vlaanderen), Belgium
DEATH 1095 (aged 46–47), Folkingham, South Kesteven District, Lincolnshire, England
Gilbert was the son of Rudolph de Gand and Gisele of Luxembourg. He probably arrived in England in 1066; was a commander in York 1068, and was taken prisoner there by the Danes in 1069. He was a tenant-in-chief and one of the largest landholders in co. Lincoln in 1086. Folkingham being the head of his barony.
He married Alice de Montfort, daughter of Count Hugh de Montfort-sur-Risle and Alice de Beaufou. Gilbert and Alice had at least seven children:
** Unnamed Dauughter who married Ivo (Ives) de Grantsmenil
** Agnes
** Filia
** Emma who married Allan (Algernon) de Percy
** Hugh who married Adeline de Beaumont
** Walter
** Adeliza who married William FitzNigel
Family Members
Spouse
Alix De Montfort-Sur-Risle De Gaunt 1050–1091
Children
Walter de Gaunt 1080–1139
BURIAL Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England
Created by: Kat
Added: 7 Feb 2012
Find A Grave Memorial 84641942.13,12
; Who were the parents of Gilbert de Gant?
compiled by Raymond W. Phair
[This article has been slightly modified from a posting which was made to GEN-MEDIEVAL / soc.genealogy.medieval on 12 July 1999.]
His parents very probably were Ralph, lord of Alost (Aalst in Flemish), and Gisele, daughter of Frederick count of Luxembourg.
Sherman has given the most recent detailed account which is the basis for what is summarized below, unless another reference is stated. All the records cited by Sherman have been published. He emphasized the evidence was very strong, but not conclusive.
Gilbert I de Gant (d. ca.1095) was in England by 1069 when he and William Malet unsuccessfully defended York castle against the Danish invasion and local rebellion [Sherman; EYC 2:432; CP 6:672n; P. Dalton, Conquest, anarchy and lordship, 1994, p.11].
A 1075 transaction in the Watten abbey chronicle was witnessed by Gilbert, described as having come from England and as the brother of Baldwin of Ghent. In 1052 Ralph of Ghent and his son Baldwin attested a charter of the abbey of St. Peter of Mount Blandin, Ghent (Gand, Gent), presumably the same Baldwin. Their records are the main source of information for this family.
Ralph the Advocate was one of the advocates of St. Peter from as early as 1026 to sometime before 1058. He was succeeded by Baldwin the Advocate. They are believed to be Gilbert's father and brother mentioned in the previous paragraph. It is from their service as advocates that some members of their family were called 'de Gandavo' (of Ghent). Sherman proposed the castellans of Ghent were the other family of advocates of St. Peter. He also noted that while Gilbert's family were the lords of what was probably the county of Alost, they were never titled counts in any records.
In a 1094 gift to the abbey of Bergues St. Winnoc, witnessed by Baldwin of Ghent (son of Gilbert's brother Baldwin who d. 1082), Ralph the Chamberlain identified himself as a son of Ralph of Alost and Gisele. He was a fellow witness with Gilbert to the 1075 transaction mentioned above. He may have been the Ralph son of Ralph in a 1056 charter of St. Peter, prior to his appointment as chamberlain. Alternatively, the 1056 Ralph son of Ralph might have been Gilbert's father, but he appeared to have been dead in that year, or someone unrelated.
The annals of St. Peter record about 1042 a gift from Ralph of Ghent and his wife Gisele -- their earliest joint appearance. They had at least 3 sons: Baldwin (their heir), Ralph the Chamberlain, and Gilbert. It is thus extremely probable that she was the unidentified Gisele in 1056 and 1058 who gave land and a serf to the abbey for the souls of her father, her husband Ralph, and her sons. Both of her gifts were witnessed by Baldwin, Ralph, and Gilbert, described as her sons. Although they were not called 'of Alost' or 'of Ghent', it would be an extraordinary coincidence if these were not the members of that family.
Rubincam, using a source not used by Sherman (and published after Vanderkindere), found that in 1036 Ralph of Ghent and his wife Gisele made a gift to the abbey. Neither Rubincam nor Sherman provided sufficient details to determine if this was the gift Sherman reported occurred in 1042. Rubincam also found, but didn't cite a source, that Ralph in 1056 witnessed a gift by count Baldwin to the abbey of St. Omer. Rubincam believed he was Gilbert's father, but he was probably the brother.
Assuming this was Gilbert de Gant in the 1056 gift and that he was about 16 or older, then he was born about 1040 or earlier. His brother Baldwin was probably the Baldwin of Ghent who witnessed a St. Peter charter in 1046, suggesting he was born about 1030 or earlier.
Also, if that was a grant by Gilbert's mother, then his father Ralph had apparently died sometime between 1052 (his last occurrence) and 1056. His parentage is unknown, but it seems likely that he was a descendant of the Ralph the Advocate who appeared in the abbey's records in 994.
Vanderkindere (1:121) mentioned a Baldwin occured as advocate in 962 (not discussed by Sherman) who may thus be another ancestor of Ralph. Moriarty assumed Baldwin was the father of the earlier Ralph who was in turn the father of Ralph husband of Gisele. In view of the large gaps, however, there may have been additional generations.
Gilbert's mother was probably the Gisele who was a sister of Otgiva (Ogive), wife of Baldwin IV count of Flanders, and thus Gilbert was one of Charlemagne's descendants. The burials of both Otgiva (d. 21 Feb 1030) and Gisele (d. 21 May, year unknown) are mentioned in the annals of St. Peter, but it, unfortunately, did not name Gisele's husband.
Europaische Stammtafeln (ES), 6:128 (1978), identified Gisele as a daughter of count Frederick and wife of Ralph of Alost, but didn't show their children on that page. It also showed her sister Otgiva married about 1005 Baldwin IV. ES 2:5 (1984) had 1012 for Otgiva's marriage date, as did K.F. Werner's 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen', in Karl der Grosse, ed. W. Braunfels, vol.4 (1967).
Sherman wondered if the erroneous ancestry for Gilbert given in Monasticon Anglicanum (5:491) may have arisen when the unknown author, writing after 1307, found in an unknown source that Gilbert was described as 'nepos' of William the Conqueror and assumed it to mean 'nephew', although in this case its less frequent meaning of 'kinsman' was intended. Gilbert was the first cousin once removed of William's wife, if the assumption about Gisele's identity is correct.
Gilbert's name appears to have come from his mother's family -- her older brother was Gilbert count of Luxembourg (1047-59), and she had a paternal uncle also named Gilbert. He had a son named Ralph and a grandson named Baldwin, while his brother Baldwin of Ghent named one of his sons Gilbert [CP 7:672; Sherman].
Sherman didn't mention if any tenants of Gilbert de Gant in England can be traced to Flanders. Gilbert did not seem to hold any land in Flanders.
The identification of Gilbert's father as Ralph of Alost first appeared in A. Duchesne, Histoire genealogique des maisons ... de Gand..., 1631. Among the many later writers who have given it were the following:
* L.V.J.A. Vanderkindere, Histoire de la formation territoriale des principautes belges au moyen age, vol.1 (1899).
* W. Farrer, Early Yorkshire Charters (EYC), 2:432 (1915).
* Complete Peerage (CP), 7:672n (1929).
* M. Rubincam, 'The true origin of the house of Gaunt', Genealogists' magazine, 9:1-7 (1940).
* F.M. Stenton, Anglo-Saxon England, 1st ed., 1941, p.621; 3rd ed., 1971, p.629 (no source). D.C. Douglas, William the Conqueror, 1964, p.267, only cited Stenton for it.
* G.A. Moriarty, 'The ancestry of Gilbert de Gant', The American Genealogist, 34:39-40 (1958).
* R.M. Sherman, 'The continental origins of the Ghent family of Lincolnshire', Nottingham Medieval Studies, 22:23-35 (1978).
Sherman did not use Farrer, Rubincam, nor Moriarty. See his paper for references to additional works discussing this family.14
; Dr.Hist. E. Warlop, "The Flemish Nobility before 1300" (1976), volume III page 590-591, tells about him the following:
Gilbert, mentioned 1056-1075, Lord of Folkingham after 1066. See Duchesne (Guines p.148 and Pr., pp.168-169) about him and his descendants in Engeland.
Parents:
Ralph of Ghent, advocate of St.Peters's Abbey at Ghent, nobilis, 1031/34-1052
Gisela of Luxemburg (1056), sister-in-law of count Baldwin IV of Flanders.
Ralph and Gisela had 4 sons:
** Baldwin I (1046-1082); Ralph (1056-1096);
** Gilbert (1056-1075);
** Ragenfrid (1075). One might deduce that in 1056
** Gilbert was at least 14 years, so his birth must have been in 1042 or earlier. This would make him in 1066 of "combat age".
Hans Vogels
familyhistorian@kc.rr.com ("Ed Crabtree") wrote in message news:<006801c362e5$b51b3d80$cbdc1f41@kc.rr.com>...
>> I am confused - nothing new there.
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>> Who are the parents of Gilbert De GANT, born c1048, died c1094 who married
>> Alice De MONTFORT?
>>
>> I see his parents as Ralph De GANTand Gisele of LUXEMBOURG and also Baldwin
>> of FLANDERS and Richildis of HAINAUT. Which is correct? if either of them.
>>
>> Thanks.
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>>
>> Ed Crabtree
>> From the State of Missouri in the USA
>> familyhistorian@kc.rr.com.3
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Flemish Nobility before 1300, 4 volumes, Warlop, Dr. E. 588.
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. page 125.4
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. page 125.4
; Per Wikipedia:
"Gilbert de Gant (Giselbert de Gand, Ghent, Gaunt)[1] (c.1040 – 1095) was the son of Ralph, Lord of Aalst near Ghent, and Gisele of Luxembourg, the sister-in-law of Baldwin IV, Count of Flanders. Gilbert de Gant was a kinsman of Matilda of Flanders, wife of William the Conqueror. He had two brothers, Baldwin and Ralph. Gilbert of Ghent is mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086 as having been given titles of 172 English manors (most in Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire) but also within 14 shires where there were estates including York, Derby, Huntingdonshire, Leicestershire and Cambridgeshire.[2]
"Gilbert de Gant was a commander with William Malet when the city of York was put to the torch on 19 September 1069.[3] Gilbert died about 1095 being buried at Bardney Abbey near Lincoln City. He had married Alice de Montfort-sur-Risle in about 1071 and had numerous children amongst whom were Walter de Gant (father of Gilbert, Earl of Lincoln), Gilbert, Hugh, Robert (Lord Chancellor), Ralph, Henry, Emma and Agnes.
Notes
1. "Gislebert (Gant) de Gand (abt. 1048 -1095)". WikiTree. Retrieved 23 May 2019.
2. Domesday Map online British Museum
3. Dalton 2002
References
** Dalton, Paul (2002). Conquest, anarchy, and lordship : Yorkshire, 1066-1154. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-52464-3.
** Oksanen, Eljas (13 September 2012). "Flemish immigration to England". Flanders and the Anglo-Norman World, 1066-1216. Cambridge University Press. p. 204. ISBN 978-0-521-76099-7. Retrieved 5 April 2013."13
; Per Med Lands:
"GILBERT, son of --- (-[1095]). "…Balduini filii ipsius Gisle, item filiorum eius Rodulphi, Gisleberti…" signed the charter dated 1056 by which Baudouin V Count of Flanders approved the donation by "matrona Gisla" of "Ronneka" to the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Gand[753]. "Gisla" granted a serf to the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Gand by charter dated Apr 1058, signed by "Balduuini filii ipsius Gislæ, item filiorum eius Rodulfi, Gisleberti…"[754]. A manuscript genealogy of the Gant family names “Giselbertus de Gaunt, filius Baldwini comitis de Flandria” when recording that he accompanied “Willielmo conquestore avunculo suo” to England[755]. Flemish primary sources do not confirm that Gilbert was the son of Baudouin Count of Flanders. However, it would be chronological consistent if he was the same person as Giselbert, son of Rudolf van Gent, although the primary source which confirms that this is correct has not yet been identified. The Stemma fundatoris of Bardney Abbey records that ”Gislebrictus de Gaunt” came [to England] with “Willielmo Bastardo avunculo suo”[756]. No family relationship between Gilbert and William I King of England has been established, although they would of course be related if Gilbert was a member of the comital family of Flanders as indicated by the manuscript quoted above. The Chronica Monasterii Watinensis cites a donation by "Walterus Bergensis", witnessed by (among others) "Gislebertus frater Balduini Gandensis qui ab Anglia tunc venerat"[757]. Domesday Book records land held by “Gilbert de Ghent” in Rowbury Hundred in Berkshire; Church Hanborough and Ewelme in Oxfordshire; numerous properties in Lincolnshire[758]. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of land “in Fereby” by “Gilbertus de Gaunt”[759]. Lord of Folkingham.
"m ALIX de Montfort-sur-Risle, daughter of HUGUES [II] de Montfort-sur-Risle & his first wife --- de Beaufour. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “secundus Hugo”, son of “Turstinus...de Bastenburc...[filium] Hugonem cum barba de Monteforti”, had “de filia Richardi de Bellofago...unam filiam” who married “Giselbertus de Ganz”[760]. The Stemma fundatoris of Bardney Abbey names “Alicia de Monteforti” as wife of ”Gislebrictus de Gaunt”[761]. She succeeded her brother as Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle, presumably when his properties were confiscated after he was accused of treason in 1107[762].
"Gilbert & his wife had [nine] children."
Med Lands cites:
[753] Gand Saint-Pierre, 132, p. 94.
[754] Gand Saint-Pierre, 134, p. 96.
[755] Dugdale Monasticon V, Vaudey Abbey, Lincolnshire IV, Descensus de Gant, p. 490.
[756] Dugdale Monasticon I, Bardney Monastery, Lincolnshire VII, p. 631.
[757] Chronica Monasterii Watinensis 13, MGH SS XIV, p. 168.
[758] Williams, A. & Martin, G. H. (eds.) (2003) Domesday Book, a complete translation (Penguin Classics) ("Domesday Translation"), Berkshire, XXXVII, p. 153, Oxfordshire, XXXVIII, p. 439, Lincolnshire, XXIIII, pp. 920-4.
[759] Dugdale Monasticon III, York St Mary, V, p. 548.
[760] Willelmi Gemmetensis monachi Historiæ Normannorum, Duchesne, A. (1619) Historiæ Normannorum Scriptores Antiqui (Paris) (“Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619)”), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 289.
[761] Dugdale Monasticon I, Bardney Monastery, Lincolnshire VII, p. 631.
[762] ES III 698.10
GAV-26 EDV-26. [754] Gand Saint-Pierre, 134, p. 96.
[755] Dugdale Monasticon V, Vaudey Abbey, Lincolnshire IV, Descensus de Gant, p. 490.
[756] Dugdale Monasticon I, Bardney Monastery, Lincolnshire VII, p. 631.
[757] Chronica Monasterii Watinensis 13, MGH SS XIV, p. 168.
[758] Williams, A. & Martin, G. H. (eds.) (2003) Domesday Book, a complete translation (Penguin Classics) ("Domesday Translation"), Berkshire, XXXVII, p. 153, Oxfordshire, XXXVIII, p. 439, Lincolnshire, XXIIII, pp. 920-4.
[759] Dugdale Monasticon III, York St Mary, V, p. 548.
[760] Willelmi Gemmetensis monachi Historiæ Normannorum, Duchesne, A. (1619) Historiæ Normannorum Scriptores Antiqui (Paris) (“Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619)”), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 289.
[761] Dugdale Monasticon I, Bardney Monastery, Lincolnshire VII, p. 631.
[762] ES III 698.10
Reference: Weis [1992:125] Line 143-22.15 Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby was also known as Gilbert van Ghent Lord of Folkingham.4
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Alice de Montfort ° 1050 ép.~1071 Gilbert de Gand ° ~1048 + ~1094/95, baron de Folkingham, seigneur de Hunmanby (fils de Raoul, seigneur d’Alost, et de Gisle) récupère la seigneurie de Montfort des mains du Roi."11
Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 103, de GANT 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1507] Hans Vogels, "Vogels email 17 August 2003: "Re: Gilbert de Gant b c1048"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 August 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Vogels email 17 August 2003."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert van Ghent: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092005&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisela von Luxemburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092004&tree=LEO
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I2575
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-22, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice de Montfort: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485323&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#AliceMontfortRisleMGilbertGand. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#GilbertGentdied1095
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille Bertran(d) de Bricquebec: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf
- [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 10 March 2020), memorial page for Gilbert de Gaunt (1048–1095), Find A Grave Memorial no. 84641942, citing Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England ; Maintained by Kat (contributor 47496397), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84641942/gilbert-de_gaunt. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_de_Gant. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1508] Raymond W. Phair, "Who were the parents of Gilbert de Gant?", online http://www.rootsweb.com/~medieval/gant.htm. Hereinafter cited as Phair: Parents of Gilbert de Gant?
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 143-22, pp. 125: "...bur. Bardney, probably arrived in England in 1066; was a commander in York, 1068, and was taken prisoner there by the Danes in 1069. He was a tenant-in-chief and one of the largest landholders in co. Lincoln in 1086, Folkingham being the head of his barony."
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I9286
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 103, de GANT 1:i.
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- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I3092
- [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle1,2
F, #10775, b. 1050, d. 1091
Father | Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre3,4,5 b. c 1030, d. a 1088 |
Mother | NN de Beaufour6,3,7,4,5 b. c 1014 |
Reference | GAV26 EDV26 |
Last Edited | 18 Apr 2020 |
Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle was born in 1050 at Montfort-sur-Risle, Departement de l'Eure, Haute-Normandie, France (now).1,8,5 She married Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt, Ghent) baron of Folkinham, seigneur de Hunmanby, son of Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders and Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg, in 1071.9,2,10,4,11,5
Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle was buried in 1091 at Bardney Abbey, Bardney, Lincolnshire, England; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1050, Montfort-sur-Risle, Departement de l'Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
DEATH 1091 (aged 40–41), North Lincolnshire Unitary Authority, Lincolnshire, England
Alix de Montfort-sur-Risle, Also Known As: "Alicia", "Alice"
Birthdate: 1050
Birthplace: Montfort-sur-Risle, Eure, Upper Normandy, France
Death: Died 1091 in Linesay, East Lothian, Scotland or Folkingham, Lincolnshire, England
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle and NN de Beauffou
Wife of Gilbert de Gand
Mother of Agnes Fitznigel; Emma de Gant; ? unknown daughter of Gilbert van Ghent; Sir William De Linesay; Henry De de Gant; Ralph De Gaunt; Hugues de Montfort, IV; Geoffrey de Gant; Walter de Gaunt, Earl of Lincoln; Matilda de Gant; Robert de Gant; Piers (Peter) de Montfort; Gilbert de Gant, II, Lord of Folkingham and Alice de Gant
Half sister of Hugues de Montfort-sur-Risle, III; Robert de Montfort-sur-Risle and Adeline de Montfort
Occupation: Dame, de Montfort
Daughter of Huges II de Montfort of the Seigneurs de Montfort-sur-Risle (Bastembourg)
Family Members
Parents
Hugues De Montfort-Sur-Risle 1020–1088
Spouse
Gilbert de Gaunt 1048–1095
Children
Walter de Gaunt 1080–1139
BURIAL Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England
Created by: Our Family History
Added: 2 Aug 2016
Find A Grave Memorial 167683436.8
Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle died in 1091 at North Lincolnshire Unitary Aut hority, Lincolnshire, England.8
GAV-26 EDV-26.
; Per Med Lands:
"ALICE de Montfort-sur-Risle . Guillaume of Jumièges records that “secundus Hugo”, son of “Turstinus...de Bastenburc...[filium] Hugonem cum barba de Monteforti”, had “de filia Richardi de Bellofago...unam filiam” who married “Giselbertus de Ganz”[1298]. The Stemma fundatoris of Bardney Abbey names “Alicia de Monteforti” as wife of ”Gislebrictus de Gaunt”[1299]. Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle. Montfort-sur-Risle was inherited by her children.
"m GILBERT van Gent, son of --- (-[1095]). Lord of Folkingham."
Med Lands cites:
Reference: Genealogics cites:
Reference: Weis [1992:125], Line 143-22.9
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Alice de Montfort ° 1050 ép.~1071 Gilbert de Gand ° ~1048 + ~1094/95, baron de Folkingham, seigneur de Hunmanby (fils de Raoul, seigneur d’Alost, et de Gisle) récupère la seigneurie de Montfort des mains du Roi."5
Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle was buried in 1091 at Bardney Abbey, Bardney, Lincolnshire, England; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1050, Montfort-sur-Risle, Departement de l'Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
DEATH 1091 (aged 40–41), North Lincolnshire Unitary Authority, Lincolnshire, England
Alix de Montfort-sur-Risle, Also Known As: "Alicia", "Alice"
Birthdate: 1050
Birthplace: Montfort-sur-Risle, Eure, Upper Normandy, France
Death: Died 1091 in Linesay, East Lothian, Scotland or Folkingham, Lincolnshire, England
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle and NN de Beauffou
Wife of Gilbert de Gand
Mother of Agnes Fitznigel; Emma de Gant; ? unknown daughter of Gilbert van Ghent; Sir William De Linesay; Henry De de Gant; Ralph De Gaunt; Hugues de Montfort, IV; Geoffrey de Gant; Walter de Gaunt, Earl of Lincoln; Matilda de Gant; Robert de Gant; Piers (Peter) de Montfort; Gilbert de Gant, II, Lord of Folkingham and Alice de Gant
Half sister of Hugues de Montfort-sur-Risle, III; Robert de Montfort-sur-Risle and Adeline de Montfort
Occupation: Dame, de Montfort
Daughter of Huges II de Montfort of the Seigneurs de Montfort-sur-Risle (Bastembourg)
Family Members
Parents
Hugues De Montfort-Sur-Risle 1020–1088
Spouse
Gilbert de Gaunt 1048–1095
Children
Walter de Gaunt 1080–1139
BURIAL Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England
Created by: Our Family History
Added: 2 Aug 2016
Find A Grave Memorial 167683436.8
Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle died in 1091 at North Lincolnshire Unitary Aut hority, Lincolnshire, England.8
GAV-26 EDV-26.
; Per Med Lands:
"ALICE de Montfort-sur-Risle . Guillaume of Jumièges records that “secundus Hugo”, son of “Turstinus...de Bastenburc...[filium] Hugonem cum barba de Monteforti”, had “de filia Richardi de Bellofago...unam filiam” who married “Giselbertus de Ganz”[1298]. The Stemma fundatoris of Bardney Abbey names “Alicia de Monteforti” as wife of ”Gislebrictus de Gaunt”[1299]. Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle. Montfort-sur-Risle was inherited by her children.
"m GILBERT van Gent, son of --- (-[1095]). Lord of Folkingham."
Med Lands cites:
[1298] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 289.
[1299] Dugdale Monasticon I, Bardney Monastery, Lincolnshire VII, p. 631.4
[1299] Dugdale Monasticon I, Bardney Monastery, Lincolnshire VII, p. 631.4
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/4:698.
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. page 125.2
Alice de Montfort Dame de Montfort-sur-Risle was also known as Alice de Montfort-sur-Risle.4 2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. page 125.2
Reference: Weis [1992:125], Line 143-22.9
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Alice de Montfort ° 1050 ép.~1071 Gilbert de Gand ° ~1048 + ~1094/95, baron de Folkingham, seigneur de Hunmanby (fils de Raoul, seigneur d’Alost, et de Gisle) récupère la seigneurie de Montfort des mains du Roi."5
Citations
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice de Montfort: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485323&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485324&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#AliceMontfortRisleMGilbertGand. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille Bertran(d) de Bricquebec: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I3090
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Beaufour: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485325&tree=LEO
- [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 10 March 2020), memorial page for Alix “Alicia, Alice” De Montfort-Sur-Risle De Gaunt (1050–1091), Find A Grave Memorial no. 167683436, citing Bardney Abbey, Bardney, West Lindsey District, Lincolnshire, England ; Maintained by Our Family History (contributor 47719401), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167683436/alix-de_gaunt. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-22, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert van Ghent: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092005&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#GilbertGentdied1095
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I9286
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 103, de GANT 1:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 103, de GANT 1:iii.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 103, de GANT 1:iv.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 103, de GANT 1:v.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 103, de GANT 1:vi.
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I3092
- [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre1,2,3
M, #10776, b. circa 1030, d. after 1088
Father | Hughes I 'Le Barbue' (?) de Montfort, seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Barneville et du Rosel2,4,5,3 b. c 1000, d. bt 1039 - 1040 |
Reference | GAV27 EDV27 |
Last Edited | 18 Apr 2020 |
Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre married NN de Beaufour, daughter of Richard de Beaufour and Alberée (Emma, Basle, Alberade, Aubrée) (?) d’Ivry,
;
His 1st wife.2,6,3,7 Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre married Unknown (?)
;
His 2nd wife.6,3 Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre was born circa 1030.3
Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre died after 1088 at moine au Bec.8,6
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/4:698.3
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES [II] de Montfort-sur-Risle (-1088 or after). Guillaume of Jumièges names “secundus Hugo” as the son of “Turstinus...de Bastenburc...[filium] Hugonem cum barba de Monteforti”[1288]. Seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle. He fought in the battle of Mortmaer in 1054. "…Hugo de Monte Forti…" witnessed the charter dated to [1060] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy granted "Brenerias" to the abbey of Bayeux[1289]. The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Hugone de Mumfordia" contributed 50 ships and 60 knights towards the invasion of England in 1066[1290]. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, names "le sire de Montfort sur Rille" and "Hue sire de Montfort", presumably referring to the same person, as two of those who took part in the conquest of England in 1066[1291]. Orderic Vitalis records that King William installed “Guillermum Osberni filium” at his new fortress at Winchester (“intra mœnia Guentæ”) and appointed him “vice sua toti regno versus Aquilonem”, while he granted “Doveram...totamque Cantiam” to “Odoni fratri suo”, and thus he entrusted “his duobus præfecturam Angliæ”, seconded by “Hugonem de Grentemaisnilio et Hugonem de Monteforti, Guillelmumque de Garenna”, dated to 1067[1292]. Warden of Dover Castle, Constable of England 1067. "Hugo de Monteforti" founded Saint-Ymer-en-Auge for the souls of "patris mei Hugonis et matris meæ et uxoris mea et…fratrum meorum Radulphi ac Roberti atque filiorum" by charter dated to [1066/67][1293]. Domesday Book records “Hugh de Montfort” holding numerous properties in Essex, in Norfolk and in Suffolk[1294]. He became a monk in 1088[1295].
"m firstly --- de Beaufour, daughter of RICHARD de Beaufour & his wife ---. Guillaume of Jumièges records that another daughter of “Rodulphum” and his wife “Erembergam...natam in quadam villa Calcini territorii...Cavilla” married “Richardus de Bello-fago” by whom she had “Robertum qui ei successit et filias plures, quarum una iuncta est Hugoni de Monte-forti matrimonio”[1296].
"m secondly ---. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “secundus Hugo” married “aliam” after the death of his first wife by whom he had “Hugonem tertium et Robertum fratrem eius”[1297]. The name of Hugues's second wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogics: "Son of Hugues I 'cum barba' de Montfort-sur-Risle, Hugues II was present at the battle of Mortemer in 1054 and at the battle of Hastings in 1066. He was appointed Warden of Dover Castle and Constable of England in 1067. In 1088 he became a monk."3 He was Seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle at Montfort-sur-Risle, Departement de l'Eure, Haute-Normandie, France (now).9
; Per Wikipedia:
"Hugh de Montfort (Hugh II) (died 1088 or after) was a Norman nobleman. He was Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle and a proven companion of William the Conqueror. Hugh's father was killed in combat with Valkelin de Ferrières in 1045.[1]
"The son of Hugh "the Bearded" de Montfort-sur-Risle, Montfort was an early ally of William, fighting in the Battle of Mortemer in 1054, a defeat for King Henry I of France. He participated in the Council of Lillebonne in January 1066 where the decision to invade England was made. In support of the actual invasion, Hugh provided 50 ships and 60 knights.[2] In return, Hugh was installed at William's fortress at Winchester, and he received numerous holdings in Essex, Kent, Norfolk and Suffolk.[3]
"Hugh married first a daughter of Richard de Beaufour. They had one daughter:[4]
"Hugh and his second wife (name unknown) had three children:
"Hugh died in England sometime after 1088.
Sources
1. Planché, James Robinson (1874). The Conqueror and His Companions. Tinsley brothers. p. 167. Retrieved 9 June 2018.
2. Carthew, George Alfred (1877). The Hundred of Launditch and Deanery of Brisley: In the County of Norfolk : Evidences and Topographical Notes from Public Records, Heralds' Visitations, Wills, Court Rolls, Old Charters, Parish Registers, Town Books, and Other Private Sources : Digested and Arranged as Materials for Parochial, Manorial, and Family History. Miller and Leavins. pp. 94–95. Retrieved 9 June 2018.
3. "Hugh 4 Hugh de Montfort, fl. 1086". PASE Domesday. King's College London.
4. Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. (1999). Domesday People: Domesday book. Boydell & Brewer Ltd. pp. 265–266. ISBN 9780851157221.
** Douglas, David C., and Greenaway, George W. (Editors.) English Historical Documents 1042-1189, William of Poitiers: the Deeds of William, Duke of the Normans and King of the English, London, 1959."9 GAV-27 EDV-27.
Reference: Weis [1992:125] 143-22.10
; NB: Genealogics has two separate entries for a Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle. One of these shows him having a dau. Anceline who m. Turchetil de Turqueville, but it doesn't show any ancestors for this Hugues II. On the other hand, Racines et Histoire (Monfort-sur-Lisle) shows "Adeline (alias Anceline) de Montfort" as the dau. of "Thurstan (Toustain, Toussaint) de Bastembourg fl 1023". Med Lands does not show her the wife of Turchetil (Ref #1) or as a dau. of Thurstand (Ref #2).
Conclusion: I have chosen to follow Racined et Histoire (Montfort-sur-Risle). GA Vaut.11,12,3,9,6,8,13,14,15
; fought at hastings.2
;
His 1st wife.2,6,3,7 Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre married Unknown (?)
;
His 2nd wife.6,3 Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre was born circa 1030.3
Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle, Connétable d’Angleterre died after 1088 at moine au Bec.8,6
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/4:698.3
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES [II] de Montfort-sur-Risle (-1088 or after). Guillaume of Jumièges names “secundus Hugo” as the son of “Turstinus...de Bastenburc...[filium] Hugonem cum barba de Monteforti”[1288]. Seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle. He fought in the battle of Mortmaer in 1054. "…Hugo de Monte Forti…" witnessed the charter dated to [1060] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy granted "Brenerias" to the abbey of Bayeux[1289]. The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Hugone de Mumfordia" contributed 50 ships and 60 knights towards the invasion of England in 1066[1290]. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, names "le sire de Montfort sur Rille" and "Hue sire de Montfort", presumably referring to the same person, as two of those who took part in the conquest of England in 1066[1291]. Orderic Vitalis records that King William installed “Guillermum Osberni filium” at his new fortress at Winchester (“intra mœnia Guentæ”) and appointed him “vice sua toti regno versus Aquilonem”, while he granted “Doveram...totamque Cantiam” to “Odoni fratri suo”, and thus he entrusted “his duobus præfecturam Angliæ”, seconded by “Hugonem de Grentemaisnilio et Hugonem de Monteforti, Guillelmumque de Garenna”, dated to 1067[1292]. Warden of Dover Castle, Constable of England 1067. "Hugo de Monteforti" founded Saint-Ymer-en-Auge for the souls of "patris mei Hugonis et matris meæ et uxoris mea et…fratrum meorum Radulphi ac Roberti atque filiorum" by charter dated to [1066/67][1293]. Domesday Book records “Hugh de Montfort” holding numerous properties in Essex, in Norfolk and in Suffolk[1294]. He became a monk in 1088[1295].
"m firstly --- de Beaufour, daughter of RICHARD de Beaufour & his wife ---. Guillaume of Jumièges records that another daughter of “Rodulphum” and his wife “Erembergam...natam in quadam villa Calcini territorii...Cavilla” married “Richardus de Bello-fago” by whom she had “Robertum qui ei successit et filias plures, quarum una iuncta est Hugoni de Monte-forti matrimonio”[1296].
"m secondly ---. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “secundus Hugo” married “aliam” after the death of his first wife by whom he had “Hugonem tertium et Robertum fratrem eius”[1297]. The name of Hugues's second wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
[1288] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 289.
[1289] Delisle (1867), Pièces justificatives, 30, p. 33.
[1290] Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris, p. 22.
[1291] Extrait de la Chronique de Normandie, RHGF XIII, pp. 236 and 237.
[1292] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber IV, I, p. 167.
[1293] Saint-Ymer-en-Auge, I, p. 1.
[1294] Domesday Translation, Essex, XXVII, pp. 1008-10, Norfolk, pp. 1151-3, Suffolk, XXXI, pp. 1272-5.
[1295] ES III 698.
[1296] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 288.
[1297] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 289.6
[1289] Delisle (1867), Pièces justificatives, 30, p. 33.
[1290] Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris, p. 22.
[1291] Extrait de la Chronique de Normandie, RHGF XIII, pp. 236 and 237.
[1292] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber IV, I, p. 167.
[1293] Saint-Ymer-en-Auge, I, p. 1.
[1294] Domesday Translation, Essex, XXVII, pp. 1008-10, Norfolk, pp. 1151-3, Suffolk, XXXI, pp. 1272-5.
[1295] ES III 698.
[1296] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 288.
[1297] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 289.6
; Per Genealogics: "Son of Hugues I 'cum barba' de Montfort-sur-Risle, Hugues II was present at the battle of Mortemer in 1054 and at the battle of Hastings in 1066. He was appointed Warden of Dover Castle and Constable of England in 1067. In 1088 he became a monk."3 He was Seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle at Montfort-sur-Risle, Departement de l'Eure, Haute-Normandie, France (now).9
; Per Wikipedia:
"Hugh de Montfort (Hugh II) (died 1088 or after) was a Norman nobleman. He was Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle and a proven companion of William the Conqueror. Hugh's father was killed in combat with Valkelin de Ferrières in 1045.[1]
"The son of Hugh "the Bearded" de Montfort-sur-Risle, Montfort was an early ally of William, fighting in the Battle of Mortemer in 1054, a defeat for King Henry I of France. He participated in the Council of Lillebonne in January 1066 where the decision to invade England was made. In support of the actual invasion, Hugh provided 50 ships and 60 knights.[2] In return, Hugh was installed at William's fortress at Winchester, and he received numerous holdings in Essex, Kent, Norfolk and Suffolk.[3]
"Hugh married first a daughter of Richard de Beaufour. They had one daughter:[4]
** Alice de Montfort-sur-Risle, married to Gilbert de Gant, Lord of Folkingham, and so ancestors to a line of Earls of Lincoln.
"Hugh and his second wife (name unknown) had three children:
** Robert I de Montfort-sur-Risle (d. before 1111), accused of treason in 1107
** Hugh III de Montfort (d. before 1100)
** Adeline de Montfort-sur-Risle, married William of Breteuil, eldest son of William FitzOsbern, 1st Earl of Hereford.
** Hugh III de Montfort (d. before 1100)
** Adeline de Montfort-sur-Risle, married William of Breteuil, eldest son of William FitzOsbern, 1st Earl of Hereford.
"Hugh died in England sometime after 1088.
Sources
1. Planché, James Robinson (1874). The Conqueror and His Companions. Tinsley brothers. p. 167. Retrieved 9 June 2018.
2. Carthew, George Alfred (1877). The Hundred of Launditch and Deanery of Brisley: In the County of Norfolk : Evidences and Topographical Notes from Public Records, Heralds' Visitations, Wills, Court Rolls, Old Charters, Parish Registers, Town Books, and Other Private Sources : Digested and Arranged as Materials for Parochial, Manorial, and Family History. Miller and Leavins. pp. 94–95. Retrieved 9 June 2018.
3. "Hugh 4 Hugh de Montfort, fl. 1086". PASE Domesday. King's College London.
4. Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. (1999). Domesday People: Domesday book. Boydell & Brewer Ltd. pp. 265–266. ISBN 9780851157221.
** Douglas, David C., and Greenaway, George W. (Editors.) English Historical Documents 1042-1189, William of Poitiers: the Deeds of William, Duke of the Normans and King of the English, London, 1959."9 GAV-27 EDV-27.
Reference: Weis [1992:125] 143-22.10
; NB: Genealogics has two separate entries for a Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle. One of these shows him having a dau. Anceline who m. Turchetil de Turqueville, but it doesn't show any ancestors for this Hugues II. On the other hand, Racines et Histoire (Monfort-sur-Lisle) shows "Adeline (alias Anceline) de Montfort" as the dau. of "Thurstan (Toustain, Toussaint) de Bastembourg fl 1023". Med Lands does not show her the wife of Turchetil (Ref #1) or as a dau. of Thurstand (Ref #2).
Conclusion: I have chosen to follow Racined et Histoire (Montfort-sur-Risle). GA Vaut.11,12,3,9,6,8,13,14,15
; fought at hastings.2
Family 1 | Unknown (?) |
Children |
Family 2 | NN de Beaufour b. c 1014 |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 103, de GANT 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485324&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#_Toc492794611. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I 'cum barba' de Montfort-sur-Risle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485328&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#HuguesMontfortdied1088
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Beaufour: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00485325&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf, p. 11.
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_de_Montfort,_Lord_of_Montfort-sur-Risle. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-22, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Anceline de Montfort-sur-Risle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028868&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II de Montfort-sur-Risle: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028867&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Montfort-sur-Risle, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Montfort-sur-Risle.pdf
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Ref #2: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#_Toc492794611
- [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 28 May 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#AdelineMontfortRisleMGuillaumeBreteuilIv
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille Bertran(d) de Bricquebec: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#AliceMontfortRisleMGilbertGand
Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders
M, #10777, b. circa 1009, d. after 1058
Father | Adalbert de Gand 1er Châtelain héréditaire de Gand1 b. c 979, d. c 1032 |
Mother | Ermengarde (?) de Flandres1 b. c 1005 |
Reference | GAV27 EDV27 |
Last Edited | 24 Aug 2020 |
Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders married Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg, daughter of Giselbert I (?) of Longwy, Graf im Moselgau.2,3,4
Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders was born circa 1009 at Gand, Flanders, Belgium (now).1
Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders died after 1058.2
Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders died after 1058.1
GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-27. Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders was also known as Raoul de Gand Seigneur d'Alost.1
; Per Vogels:
"Dr.Hist. E. Warlop, "The Flemish Nobility before 1300" (1976), volume III page 590-591, tells about him the following:
** Ralph of Ghent, advocate of St.Peters's Abbey at Ghent, nobilis, 1031/34-1052
** Gisela of Luxemburg (1056), sister-in-law of count Baldwin IV of Flanders.
"Ralph and Gisela had 4 sons: Baldwin I (1046-1082); Ralph (1056-1096); Gilbert (1056-1075); Ragenfrid (1075). One might deduce that in 1056 Gilbert was at least 14 years, so his birth must have been in 1042 or earlier. This would make him in 1066 of "combat age".
Hans Vogels“.5 He was hereditary Advocate or Protecotor of St. Peter of Ghent between 1036 and 1056.2
Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders was born circa 1009 at Gand, Flanders, Belgium (now).1
Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders died after 1058.2
Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders died after 1058.1
GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-27. Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders was also known as Raoul de Gand Seigneur d'Alost.1
; Per Vogels:
"Dr.Hist. E. Warlop, "The Flemish Nobility before 1300" (1976), volume III page 590-591, tells about him the following:
** Ralph of Ghent, advocate of St.Peters's Abbey at Ghent, nobilis, 1031/34-1052
** Gisela of Luxemburg (1056), sister-in-law of count Baldwin IV of Flanders.
"Ralph and Gisela had 4 sons: Baldwin I (1046-1082); Ralph (1056-1096); Gilbert (1056-1075); Ragenfrid (1075). One might deduce that in 1056 Gilbert was at least 14 years, so his birth must have been in 1042 or earlier. This would make him in 1066 of "combat age".
Hans Vogels“.5 He was hereditary Advocate or Protecotor of St. Peter of Ghent between 1036 and 1056.2
Family | Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg b. b 1019, d. a 1058 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10887
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-21, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 3 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg3.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisela von Luxemburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092004&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1507] Hans Vogels, "Vogels email 17 August 2003: "Re: Gilbert de Gant b c1048"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 August 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Vogels email 17 August 2003."
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#RudolfGentdied1052MGiselaLuxembourg. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32517
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert van Ghent: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092005&tree=LEO
Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg1,2,3,4
F, #10778, b. before 1019, d. after 1058
Father | Giselbert I (?) of Longwy, Graf im Moselgau3,5,6,4 b. c 950, d. 1004 |
Reference | GAV27 EDV27 |
Last Edited | 8 Jun 2023 |
Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg married Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders, son of Adalbert de Gand 1er Châtelain héréditaire de Gand and Ermengarde (?) de Flandres.7,1,4
Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg was born before 1019.1
Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg died after 1058.7,1
GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-27.
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; NB: The traditional sources showed Gisèle and Otgive de Luxemburg as the daus. of Graf Friedrich I and his wife Imtrud.
This is the case for Med Lands, Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg), and the less authoritative Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 3).
However, Genealogics has now changed that to show the two women as the daus. of Friedrich I's brother, Graf Giselbert. Genealogics cites Richardson [2013] as the source of this information.
The Henry project shows Otgive and Gisèle as possible daughters of either Friedrich I or of his brother, Giselbert, stating this is based on "a contradictory passage, Otgive is stated to be daughter of Giselbert of Luxemburg, and the same time sister of men known to be sons of Frédéric ["Iste Balduinus vir pulcher, formosus et stature grandis, uxorem accepit Ogivam, filiam Gisleberti comitis de Lixelemborg, cuius fratres fuerent hi: Adalbero Metensis episcopus, Fredericus dux Lotharingie, Henricus dux Baioarie, Gislebertus comes de Salinis, Theodericus de Luzelenburch", Flandria Generosa]" The Henry Project cites: MGH SS = Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series 9:318]. There is a longer discussion of the situation of Otgive's parents on her page at The Henry Project which concludes that "there is a good case" that Giselbert, the son of Siegfried and brother of Friedrich, was at least Otgiva's father. Elsewhere, The Henry Project accepts that "Gisèle is known to have been a sister of Otgive, and her connection to Giselbert obviously depends on the correctness of Otgive's attribution as a daughter of Giselbert."
Conclusion: I have changed my connections to show Gisèle and Otgive as the daus. of Giselbert, son of Siegried and brother of Friedrich I. GA Vaut.8,9,6,10,5,3,11,12,13
; Per Vogels:
"Dr.Hist. E. Warlop, "The Flemish Nobility before 1300" (1976), volume III page 590-591, tells about him the following:
** Ralph of Ghent, advocate of St.Peters's Abbey at Ghent, nobilis, 1031/34-1052
** Gisela of Luxemburg (1056), sister-in-law of count Baldwin IV of Flanders.
"Ralph and Gisela had 4 sons: Baldwin I (1046-1082); Ralph (1056-1096); Gilbert (1056-1075); Ragenfrid (1075). One might deduce that in 1056 Gilbert was at least 14 years, so his birth must have been in 1042 or earlier. This would make him in 1066 of "combat age".
Hans Vogels“.14
Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg was born before 1019.1
Gisèle/Gisela (?) von Luxembourg died after 1058.7,1
GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-27.
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Flemish Nobility before 1300, 4 volumes, Warlop, Dr. E. 587.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band III, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1976, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von.
3. Royal Ancestry (2013) , Richardson, Douglas. 5:503-504.4
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band III, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1976, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von.
3. Royal Ancestry (2013) , Richardson, Douglas. 5:503-504.4
; NB: The traditional sources showed Gisèle and Otgive de Luxemburg as the daus. of Graf Friedrich I and his wife Imtrud.
This is the case for Med Lands, Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg), and the less authoritative Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 3).
However, Genealogics has now changed that to show the two women as the daus. of Friedrich I's brother, Graf Giselbert. Genealogics cites Richardson [2013] as the source of this information.
The Henry project shows Otgive and Gisèle as possible daughters of either Friedrich I or of his brother, Giselbert, stating this is based on "a contradictory passage, Otgive is stated to be daughter of Giselbert of Luxemburg, and the same time sister of men known to be sons of Frédéric ["Iste Balduinus vir pulcher, formosus et stature grandis, uxorem accepit Ogivam, filiam Gisleberti comitis de Lixelemborg, cuius fratres fuerent hi: Adalbero Metensis episcopus, Fredericus dux Lotharingie, Henricus dux Baioarie, Gislebertus comes de Salinis, Theodericus de Luzelenburch", Flandria Generosa]" The Henry Project cites: MGH SS = Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series 9:318]. There is a longer discussion of the situation of Otgive's parents on her page at The Henry Project which concludes that "there is a good case" that Giselbert, the son of Siegfried and brother of Friedrich, was at least Otgiva's father. Elsewhere, The Henry Project accepts that "Gisèle is known to have been a sister of Otgive, and her connection to Giselbert obviously depends on the correctness of Otgive's attribution as a daughter of Giselbert."
Conclusion: I have changed my connections to show Gisèle and Otgive as the daus. of Giselbert, son of Siegried and brother of Friedrich I. GA Vaut.8,9,6,10,5,3,11,12,13
; Per Vogels:
"Dr.Hist. E. Warlop, "The Flemish Nobility before 1300" (1976), volume III page 590-591, tells about him the following:
** Ralph of Ghent, advocate of St.Peters's Abbey at Ghent, nobilis, 1031/34-1052
** Gisela of Luxemburg (1056), sister-in-law of count Baldwin IV of Flanders.
"Ralph and Gisela had 4 sons: Baldwin I (1046-1082); Ralph (1056-1096); Gilbert (1056-1075); Ragenfrid (1075). One might deduce that in 1056 Gilbert was at least 14 years, so his birth must have been in 1042 or earlier. This would make him in 1066 of "combat age".
Hans Vogels“.14
Family | Rudolph I (aka Ralph of GhentGand) (?) Lord of Aalst (Alost), Flanders b. c 1009, d. a 1058 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 3 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg3.html
- [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Otgive of Luxemburg: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/otgiv000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisela von Luxemburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092004&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Giselbert of Wallerfangen: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gisel102.htm
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00735987&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-21, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LUXEMBOURG.htm#Sigefroidied998. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg3.html
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Frédéric/Friedrich: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/frede000.htm
- [S4794] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families (5 Volumes) (Salt Lake City, UT: Self Published, 2013), Vol 5, pp. 503-504.. Hereinafter cited as Richardson [2013] Royal Ancestry Series (5 Vols).
- [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 24 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Luxembourg, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Luxembourg.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1507] Hans Vogels, "Vogels email 17 August 2003: "Re: Gilbert de Gant b c1048"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 17 August 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Vogels email 17 August 2003."
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#RudolfGentdied1052MGiselaLuxembourg
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32517
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert van Ghent: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092005&tree=LEO
Irmtrud von Lahngau Gräfin von Gleiberg1,2,3,4
F, #10779, b. 972
Father | Heribert I (?) Graf von Gleiberg im Kinziggau und von der Wetterau1,3,2,4,5 d. 992 |
Mother | Irmentrude/Imiza (?)2,4,5 |
Reference | GAV26 EDV26 |
Last Edited | 24 Aug 2020 |
Irmtrud von Lahngau Gräfin von Gleiberg married NN von Gleiberg
;
Her 1st husband.6 Irmtrud von Lahngau Gräfin von Gleiberg was born in 972 at Gleiberg, Germany; Genealogics says b. 972; Med Lands says b. 970/85.2,4 She married Friedrich I (?) Graf im Moselgau, sn of Gleiberg, son of Siegfried (?) Graf 'von Luxemburg' and Hedwig (?) Countess of Luxembourg, between 985 and 990
;
Her 2nd husband (per Med Lands). Weis says m. bef 995.1,7,8,9,2,4,5
; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 3): “A.2 Frederic I, Gf im Moselgau, sn of Gleiberg, *Moselgau 958/ca 965, +6.10.1019; m.after 985/990 Irmentrud (*ca 964), heiress of Gleiberg, dau.of gf Heribert von Gleiberg im Kinziggau und von der Wetterau”
Per Genealogy.EU (Wetterau): “E3. Irmentrude von Gleiberg, heiress of Gleiberg, +after 995; m.before 995 Friedrich von Luxemburg, Gf im Moselgau und Lutzelburg (+6.10.1019)”.1,10
; Per Med Lands:
"FRIEDRICH, son of SIEGFRIED Comte [de Luxembourg] & his wife Hedwig --- (-6 Oct 1019). "Domna Berta, viri illustris Volcmari comitis relicta" donated property "in pago Moselensi in comitatu Waldeleuinga cui Gisilbertus comes…villa Mudenfert" to St Maximin, Trier by charter dated 996 witnessed by "Friderich comes"[92]. Herimannus names "Theoderico Metense episcopo et Heinrico Baioriæ duce Fridericoque comite" as brothers of "Adalbero clericus, reginæ Cunigundis germanus", when recording their rebellion against Emperor Heinrich II in 1008[93]. The Annales Quedlinburgenses record the death in 1019 of "Fridericus, frater Cunigundæ imperatricis"[94]. Graf im Moselgau. Vogt of Stablo and Malmédy.
"m [as her second husband,] --- [von Hammerstein], [widow of --- von Gleiberg,] daughter of HERIBERT Graf im Kinziggau Pfalzgraf [Konradiner] & his wife Imiza [Irmintrudis] --- ([970/85]-). The parentage of the wife of Graf Friedrich is suggested by the Vita Adelheidis which names "Irminthrudis, Alverad [et] Berthrada" as the three sisters of Adelheid, and daughters of "Megengoz" and his wife, specifying that Irminthrudis was grandmother of [three of the sons of Graf Friedrich, shown below] "Heinrici magnifici ducis et Adhelberonis Metensis episcopi, Friderici ducis"[95]. The possibility of this person´s earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage is suggested by the Genealogia Welforum which names [this person´s daughter] "Salice---de Glizperch Imizam nomine, Heinrici Noricorum ducis sororem et Friderici ducis Lotharingorum et Alberonis Metensis episcopi" as wife of Welf [II] Graf von Altdorf (see below)[96]. The reference to “Glizperch” represents the earliest indication of a relationship between the Luxembourg family and the Grafen von Gleiberg (see the document FRANCONIA NOBILITY). One possibility is that the wife of Graf Friedrich was heiress of Gleiberg. However, Irmtrud/Imiza is the only one of the siblings shown below in relation to whom a reference to Gleiberg has been found. This raises the interesting possibility that Irmtrud/Imiza, while sharing the same mother as the three brothers named in the Genealogia Welforum, may have been born from a different father who presumably held Gleiberg. It should be emphasised that this suggestion is highly speculative. Another indication of a Gleiberg/Luxembourg family connection is provided by Bernold´s Chronicon which records in 1059 that “Fridericus et fratres eius de Glichberga” rebelled against “Heinrico regi”[97]. It is not known which of Friedrich´s brothers may have been “von Gleiberg”. Another possible indication of the family origin of the wife of Graf Friedrich is provided by the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which records that "comes Letardus de Longui pater Manegaudi et Gislebertus comes de Luscelenburch" were "nepotes" of Emperor Konrad II[98]. The precise family relationships between these three persons have not been traced, but it is possible that Giselbert was related to the emperor through his mother´s family, which had many Franconian connections."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Weis:
"Frederick I of Luxembourg, b. abt. 965, d. 1019, Count of Salm and Luxembourg; m. bef. 995, NN heriess (Ermintrud?) of Gleiberg, dau. of Heribert I, d. 992, Count of gleiberg, Count in the Kinziggau, by his wife, by Ermentrud (Imizi), dau. of Megingoz, count in Avalgau, by Gerberga of Alsace (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the wetterau, by his wife, a dau. of Herbert I (50-17), Count of Vermandois), (Saillot 5, 6, 51; Brandenburg. Gens. 18-20; ES 1.2/203, 205; TASG 58 (1982):14-17).”.5
; Per Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg): “Friedrich 1er de Luxembourg ° ~958/965 (Moselgau) + 06/10/1019 comte de Moselgau & Lutzelburg, seigneur de Gleiberg, Vogt (Avoué) de Stablo (Stavelot) et Malmédy
ép. dès 985 Irmtrud von Hammerstein (fille d’Hérbert, graf im Kinziggau, pfalzgraf et d’Imiza/ermentrude ; veuve de ? von Gleiberg), héritière de Gleiberg (Hesse) ° ~970/85 + après 995”.9
; NB: The traditional sources showed Gisèle and Otgive de Luxemburg as the daus. of Graf Friedrich I and his wife Imtrud.
This is the case for Med Lands, Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg), and the less authoritative Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 3).
However, Genealogics has now changed that to show the two women as the daus. of Friedrich I's brother, Graf Giselbert. Genealogics cites Richardson [2013] as the source of this information.
The Henry project shows Otgive and Gisèle as possible daughters of either Friedrich I or of his brother, Giselbert, stating this is based on "a contradictory passage, Otgive is stated to be daughter of Giselbert of Luxemburg, and the same time sister of men known to be sons of Frédéric ["Iste Balduinus vir pulcher, formosus et stature grandis, uxorem accepit Ogivam, filiam Gisleberti comitis de Lixelemborg, cuius fratres fuerent hi: Adalbero Metensis episcopus, Fredericus dux Lotharingie, Henricus dux Baioarie, Gislebertus comes de Salinis, Theodericus de Luzelenburch", Flandria Generosa]" The Henry Project cites: MGH SS = Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series 9:318]. There is a longer discussion of the situation of Otgive's parents on her page at The Henry Project which concludes that "there is a good case" that Giselbert, the son of Siegfried and brother of Friedrich, was at least Otgiva's father. Elsewhere, The Henry Project accepts that "Gisèle is known to have been a sister of Otgive, and her connection to Giselbert obviously depends on the correctness of Otgive's attribution as a daughter of Giselbert."
Conclusion: I have changed my connections to show Gisèle and Otgive as the daus. of Giselbert, son of Siegried and brother of Friedrich I. GA Vaut.11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,9
; Per Ravilious email [2005]: "Gerberga of Kinziggau
"Death: aft 0985[1]
"brought Gleiberg as her maritagium[10],[11]
"cf. ES I Tafel 8[1],
"cf. ES I Band I.2 Tafel 203 (Luxemburg)[12]
"Spouse: Frederick of Luxembourg
"Death: 6 Oct 1019[1],[12]
"Father: Siegfried of Luxembourg (->0997)
"Mother: Hedwig
"Children: Henry (-1047), duke of Bavaria
Frederick (-1065), duke of Lorraine
Adalbert (-1072), bishop of Metz
Giselbert (-1056), graf von Salm
Dietrich
Hermann
Ogiva (-1036), m. Baldwin IV, count of Flanders
Gisela
Ermentrude (-1055), m. Welf II von Altdorf [see ABOVE]
Uda, abbess of St. Remy
Ravilious cites:
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 1.2 203.2 Irmtrud von Lahngau Gräfin von Gleiberg was also known as (Irmtrud) von Lahngau heiress of Gleiberg castle.2 Irmtrud von Lahngau Gräfin von Gleiberg was also known as Irmentrude von Gleiburg.20 GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-27.
; Per Med Lands:
"daughter ([970/85]-). The parentage of the wife of Graf Friedrich is suggested by the Vita Adelheidis which names "Irminthrudis, Alverad [et] Berthrada" as the three sisters of Adelheid, and daughters of "Megengoz" and his wife, specifying that Irminthrudis was grandmother of [three of the sons of Graf Friedrich, shown below] "Heinrici magnifici ducis et Adhelberonis Metensis episcopi, Friderici ducis"[339]. The possibility of this person´s earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage is suggested by the Genealogia Welforum which names [this person´s daughter] "Salice---de Glizperch Imizam nomine, Heinrici Noricorum ducis sororem et Friderici ducis Lotharingorum et Alberonis Metensis episcopi" as wife of Welf [II] Graf von Altdorf (see below)[340]. The reference to “Glizperch” represents the earliest indication of a relationship between the Luxembourg family and the Grafen von Gleiberg (see the document FRANCONIA NOBILITY). One possibility is that the wife of Graf Friedrich was heiress of Gleiberg. However, Irmtrud/Imiza is the only one of the siblings shown below in relation to whom a reference to Gleiberg has been found. This raises the interesting possibility that Irmtrud/Imiza, while sharing the same mother as the three brothers named in the Genealogia Welforum, may have been born from a different father who presumably held Gleiberg. It should be emphasised that this suggestion is highly speculative. Another indication of a Gleiberg/Luxembourg family connection is provided by Bernold´s Chronicon which records in 1059 that “Fridericus et fratres eius de Glichberga” rebelled against “Heinrico regi”[341]. It is not known which of Friedrich´s brothers may have been “von Gleiberg”. Another possible indication of the family origin of the wife of Graf Friedrich is provided by the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which records that "comes Letardus de Longui pater Manegaudi et Gislebertus comes de Luscelenburch" were "nepotes" of Emperor Konrad II[342]. The precise family relationships between these three persons have not been traced, but it is possible that Giselbert was related to the emperor through his mother´s family, which had many Franconian connections.
"[m firstly --- von Gleiberg, son of ---.]
"m [secondly] FRIEDRICH Graf im Moselgau, son of SIEGFRIED Comte [de Luxembourg] & his wife Hedwig --- (-6 Oct 1019)."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"[--- von Gleiberg (-[before 1000]). The existence of this person, and the possibility of his marriage, is highly speculative (as explained below) but it would provide one explanation for the close relationship which evidently existed between the Luxembourg and Gleiberg families.
"m [as her first husband,] --- [von Hammerstein], daughter of HERIBERT Graf im Kinziggau Pfalzgraf [Konradiner] & his wife Imiza [Irmintrudis] --- ([970/85]-). The parentage of the wife of Graf Friedrich is suggested by the Vita Adelheidis which names "Irminthrudis, Alverad [et] Berthrada" as the three sisters of Adelheid, and daughters of "Megengoz" and his wife, specifying that Irminthrudis was grandmother of [three of the sons of Graf Friedrich, shown below] "Heinrici magnifici ducis et Adhelberonis Metensis episcopi, Friderici ducis"[64]. The possibility of this person´s earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage is suggested by the Genealogia Welforum which names [this person´s daughter] "Salice---de Glizperch Imizam nomine, Heinrici Noricorum ducis sororem et Friderici ducis Lotharingorum et Alberonis Metensis episcopi" as wife of Welf [II] Graf von Altdorf (see below)[65]. The reference to “Glizperch” represents the earliest indication of a relationship between the Luxembourg family and the Grafen von Gleiberg (see the document FRANCONIA NOBILITY). One possibility is that the wife of Graf Friedrich was heiress of Gleiberg. However, Irmtrud/Imiza is the only one of the siblings shown below in relation to whom a reference to Gleiberg has been found. This raises the interesting possibility that Irmtrud/Imiza, while sharing the same mother as the three brothers named in the Genealogia Welforum, may have been born from a different father who presumably held Gleiberg. It should be emphasised that this suggestion is highly speculative. Another indication of a Gleiberg/Luxembourg family connection is provided by Bernold´s Chronicon which records in 1059 that “Fridericus et fratres eius de Glichberga” rebelled against “Heinrico regi”[66]. It is not known which of Friedrich´s brothers may have been “von Gleiberg”. She married [secondly] Friedrich Graf im Moselgau.]"
Med Lands cites:
;
Her 1st husband.6 Irmtrud von Lahngau Gräfin von Gleiberg was born in 972 at Gleiberg, Germany; Genealogics says b. 972; Med Lands says b. 970/85.2,4 She married Friedrich I (?) Graf im Moselgau, sn of Gleiberg, son of Siegfried (?) Graf 'von Luxemburg' and Hedwig (?) Countess of Luxembourg, between 985 and 990
;
Her 2nd husband (per Med Lands). Weis says m. bef 995.1,7,8,9,2,4,5
; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 3): “A.2 Frederic I, Gf im Moselgau, sn of Gleiberg, *Moselgau 958/ca 965, +6.10.1019; m.after 985/990 Irmentrud (*ca 964), heiress of Gleiberg, dau.of gf Heribert von Gleiberg im Kinziggau und von der Wetterau”
Per Genealogy.EU (Wetterau): “E3. Irmentrude von Gleiberg, heiress of Gleiberg, +after 995; m.before 995 Friedrich von Luxemburg, Gf im Moselgau und Lutzelburg (+6.10.1019)”.1,10
; Per Med Lands:
"FRIEDRICH, son of SIEGFRIED Comte [de Luxembourg] & his wife Hedwig --- (-6 Oct 1019). "Domna Berta, viri illustris Volcmari comitis relicta" donated property "in pago Moselensi in comitatu Waldeleuinga cui Gisilbertus comes…villa Mudenfert" to St Maximin, Trier by charter dated 996 witnessed by "Friderich comes"[92]. Herimannus names "Theoderico Metense episcopo et Heinrico Baioriæ duce Fridericoque comite" as brothers of "Adalbero clericus, reginæ Cunigundis germanus", when recording their rebellion against Emperor Heinrich II in 1008[93]. The Annales Quedlinburgenses record the death in 1019 of "Fridericus, frater Cunigundæ imperatricis"[94]. Graf im Moselgau. Vogt of Stablo and Malmédy.
"m [as her second husband,] --- [von Hammerstein], [widow of --- von Gleiberg,] daughter of HERIBERT Graf im Kinziggau Pfalzgraf [Konradiner] & his wife Imiza [Irmintrudis] --- ([970/85]-). The parentage of the wife of Graf Friedrich is suggested by the Vita Adelheidis which names "Irminthrudis, Alverad [et] Berthrada" as the three sisters of Adelheid, and daughters of "Megengoz" and his wife, specifying that Irminthrudis was grandmother of [three of the sons of Graf Friedrich, shown below] "Heinrici magnifici ducis et Adhelberonis Metensis episcopi, Friderici ducis"[95]. The possibility of this person´s earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage is suggested by the Genealogia Welforum which names [this person´s daughter] "Salice---de Glizperch Imizam nomine, Heinrici Noricorum ducis sororem et Friderici ducis Lotharingorum et Alberonis Metensis episcopi" as wife of Welf [II] Graf von Altdorf (see below)[96]. The reference to “Glizperch” represents the earliest indication of a relationship between the Luxembourg family and the Grafen von Gleiberg (see the document FRANCONIA NOBILITY). One possibility is that the wife of Graf Friedrich was heiress of Gleiberg. However, Irmtrud/Imiza is the only one of the siblings shown below in relation to whom a reference to Gleiberg has been found. This raises the interesting possibility that Irmtrud/Imiza, while sharing the same mother as the three brothers named in the Genealogia Welforum, may have been born from a different father who presumably held Gleiberg. It should be emphasised that this suggestion is highly speculative. Another indication of a Gleiberg/Luxembourg family connection is provided by Bernold´s Chronicon which records in 1059 that “Fridericus et fratres eius de Glichberga” rebelled against “Heinrico regi”[97]. It is not known which of Friedrich´s brothers may have been “von Gleiberg”. Another possible indication of the family origin of the wife of Graf Friedrich is provided by the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which records that "comes Letardus de Longui pater Manegaudi et Gislebertus comes de Luscelenburch" were "nepotes" of Emperor Konrad II[98]. The precise family relationships between these three persons have not been traced, but it is possible that Giselbert was related to the emperor through his mother´s family, which had many Franconian connections."
Med Lands cites:
[92] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 273, p. 328.
[93] Herimanni Augiensis Chronicon 1008, MHG SS V, p. 119.
[94] Annales Quedlinburgenses 1019, MGH SS III, p. 84.
[95] Vita Adelheidis abbatissæ Vilicensis 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 757.
[96] Genealogia Welforum 7, MGH SS XIII, p. 734, footnote 20 interpreting the first place as "Möhring" near Friedberg in Bavaria.
[97] Bernoldi Chronicon, 1059, MGH SS V, p. 427.
[98] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1024, MGH SS XXIII, p. 782.8
[93] Herimanni Augiensis Chronicon 1008, MHG SS V, p. 119.
[94] Annales Quedlinburgenses 1019, MGH SS III, p. 84.
[95] Vita Adelheidis abbatissæ Vilicensis 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 757.
[96] Genealogia Welforum 7, MGH SS XIII, p. 734, footnote 20 interpreting the first place as "Möhring" near Friedberg in Bavaria.
[97] Bernoldi Chronicon, 1059, MGH SS V, p. 427.
[98] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1024, MGH SS XXIII, p. 782.8
; Per Weis:
"Frederick I of Luxembourg, b. abt. 965, d. 1019, Count of Salm and Luxembourg; m. bef. 995, NN heriess (Ermintrud?) of Gleiberg, dau. of Heribert I, d. 992, Count of gleiberg, Count in the Kinziggau, by his wife, by Ermentrud (Imizi), dau. of Megingoz, count in Avalgau, by Gerberga of Alsace (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the wetterau, by his wife, a dau. of Herbert I (50-17), Count of Vermandois), (Saillot 5, 6, 51; Brandenburg. Gens. 18-20; ES 1.2/203, 205; TASG 58 (1982):14-17).”.5
; Per Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg): “Friedrich 1er de Luxembourg ° ~958/965 (Moselgau) + 06/10/1019 comte de Moselgau & Lutzelburg, seigneur de Gleiberg, Vogt (Avoué) de Stablo (Stavelot) et Malmédy
ép. dès 985 Irmtrud von Hammerstein (fille d’Hérbert, graf im Kinziggau, pfalzgraf et d’Imiza/ermentrude ; veuve de ? von Gleiberg), héritière de Gleiberg (Hesse) ° ~970/85 + après 995”.9
; NB: The traditional sources showed Gisèle and Otgive de Luxemburg as the daus. of Graf Friedrich I and his wife Imtrud.
This is the case for Med Lands, Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg), and the less authoritative Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 3).
However, Genealogics has now changed that to show the two women as the daus. of Friedrich I's brother, Graf Giselbert. Genealogics cites Richardson [2013] as the source of this information.
The Henry project shows Otgive and Gisèle as possible daughters of either Friedrich I or of his brother, Giselbert, stating this is based on "a contradictory passage, Otgive is stated to be daughter of Giselbert of Luxemburg, and the same time sister of men known to be sons of Frédéric ["Iste Balduinus vir pulcher, formosus et stature grandis, uxorem accepit Ogivam, filiam Gisleberti comitis de Lixelemborg, cuius fratres fuerent hi: Adalbero Metensis episcopus, Fredericus dux Lotharingie, Henricus dux Baioarie, Gislebertus comes de Salinis, Theodericus de Luzelenburch", Flandria Generosa]" The Henry Project cites: MGH SS = Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series 9:318]. There is a longer discussion of the situation of Otgive's parents on her page at The Henry Project which concludes that "there is a good case" that Giselbert, the son of Siegfried and brother of Friedrich, was at least Otgiva's father. Elsewhere, The Henry Project accepts that "Gisèle is known to have been a sister of Otgive, and her connection to Giselbert obviously depends on the correctness of Otgive's attribution as a daughter of Giselbert."
Conclusion: I have changed my connections to show Gisèle and Otgive as the daus. of Giselbert, son of Siegried and brother of Friedrich I. GA Vaut.11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,9
; Per Ravilious email [2005]: "Gerberga of Kinziggau
"Death: aft 0985[1]
"brought Gleiberg as her maritagium[10],[11]
"cf. ES I Tafel 8[1],
"cf. ES I Band I.2 Tafel 203 (Luxemburg)[12]
"Spouse: Frederick of Luxembourg
"Death: 6 Oct 1019[1],[12]
"Father: Siegfried of Luxembourg (->0997)
"Mother: Hedwig
"Children: Henry (-1047), duke of Bavaria
Frederick (-1065), duke of Lorraine
Adalbert (-1072), bishop of Metz
Giselbert (-1056), graf von Salm
Dietrich
Hermann
Ogiva (-1036), m. Baldwin IV, count of Flanders
Gisela
Ermentrude (-1055), m. Welf II von Altdorf [see ABOVE]
Uda, abbess of St. Remy
Ravilious cites:
1. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1998 [4th series], Band I.1 [Tafel 3 - Die Arnulfinger -751-771 Konige der Franken ], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
11. Stewart Baldwin, "Re: ES contradiction Heinrich von Schweinfurt," May 24, 2003, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, discusses ES 1.1.8 and ES 1.1.88, email sbaldw@mindspring.com
12. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge," Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1999 [4th series], Band I.2 - Premysliden, Askanier, Herzoge von Lothringen, die Hauser Hessen, Wurttemberg und Zahringen, First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
”.19 11. Stewart Baldwin, "Re: ES contradiction Heinrich von Schweinfurt," May 24, 2003, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, discusses ES 1.1.8 and ES 1.1.88, email sbaldw@mindspring.com
12. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge," Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1999 [4th series], Band I.2 - Premysliden, Askanier, Herzoge von Lothringen, die Hauser Hessen, Wurttemberg und Zahringen, First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 1.2 203.2 Irmtrud von Lahngau Gräfin von Gleiberg was also known as (Irmtrud) von Lahngau heiress of Gleiberg castle.2 Irmtrud von Lahngau Gräfin von Gleiberg was also known as Irmentrude von Gleiburg.20 GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-27.
; Per Med Lands:
"daughter ([970/85]-). The parentage of the wife of Graf Friedrich is suggested by the Vita Adelheidis which names "Irminthrudis, Alverad [et] Berthrada" as the three sisters of Adelheid, and daughters of "Megengoz" and his wife, specifying that Irminthrudis was grandmother of [three of the sons of Graf Friedrich, shown below] "Heinrici magnifici ducis et Adhelberonis Metensis episcopi, Friderici ducis"[339]. The possibility of this person´s earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage is suggested by the Genealogia Welforum which names [this person´s daughter] "Salice---de Glizperch Imizam nomine, Heinrici Noricorum ducis sororem et Friderici ducis Lotharingorum et Alberonis Metensis episcopi" as wife of Welf [II] Graf von Altdorf (see below)[340]. The reference to “Glizperch” represents the earliest indication of a relationship between the Luxembourg family and the Grafen von Gleiberg (see the document FRANCONIA NOBILITY). One possibility is that the wife of Graf Friedrich was heiress of Gleiberg. However, Irmtrud/Imiza is the only one of the siblings shown below in relation to whom a reference to Gleiberg has been found. This raises the interesting possibility that Irmtrud/Imiza, while sharing the same mother as the three brothers named in the Genealogia Welforum, may have been born from a different father who presumably held Gleiberg. It should be emphasised that this suggestion is highly speculative. Another indication of a Gleiberg/Luxembourg family connection is provided by Bernold´s Chronicon which records in 1059 that “Fridericus et fratres eius de Glichberga” rebelled against “Heinrico regi”[341]. It is not known which of Friedrich´s brothers may have been “von Gleiberg”. Another possible indication of the family origin of the wife of Graf Friedrich is provided by the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which records that "comes Letardus de Longui pater Manegaudi et Gislebertus comes de Luscelenburch" were "nepotes" of Emperor Konrad II[342]. The precise family relationships between these three persons have not been traced, but it is possible that Giselbert was related to the emperor through his mother´s family, which had many Franconian connections.
"[m firstly --- von Gleiberg, son of ---.]
"m [secondly] FRIEDRICH Graf im Moselgau, son of SIEGFRIED Comte [de Luxembourg] & his wife Hedwig --- (-6 Oct 1019)."
Med Lands cites:
[339] Vita Adelheidis abbatissæ Vilicensis 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 757.
[340] Genealogia Welforum 7, MGH SS XIII, p. 734, footnote 20 interpreting the first place as "Möhring" near Friedberg in Bavaria.
[341] Bernoldi Chronicon, 1059, MGH SS V, p. 427.
[342] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1024, MGH SS XXIII, p. 782.4
[340] Genealogia Welforum 7, MGH SS XIII, p. 734, footnote 20 interpreting the first place as "Möhring" near Friedberg in Bavaria.
[341] Bernoldi Chronicon, 1059, MGH SS V, p. 427.
[342] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1024, MGH SS XXIII, p. 782.4
; Per Med Lands:
"[--- von Gleiberg (-[before 1000]). The existence of this person, and the possibility of his marriage, is highly speculative (as explained below) but it would provide one explanation for the close relationship which evidently existed between the Luxembourg and Gleiberg families.
"m [as her first husband,] --- [von Hammerstein], daughter of HERIBERT Graf im Kinziggau Pfalzgraf [Konradiner] & his wife Imiza [Irmintrudis] --- ([970/85]-). The parentage of the wife of Graf Friedrich is suggested by the Vita Adelheidis which names "Irminthrudis, Alverad [et] Berthrada" as the three sisters of Adelheid, and daughters of "Megengoz" and his wife, specifying that Irminthrudis was grandmother of [three of the sons of Graf Friedrich, shown below] "Heinrici magnifici ducis et Adhelberonis Metensis episcopi, Friderici ducis"[64]. The possibility of this person´s earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage is suggested by the Genealogia Welforum which names [this person´s daughter] "Salice---de Glizperch Imizam nomine, Heinrici Noricorum ducis sororem et Friderici ducis Lotharingorum et Alberonis Metensis episcopi" as wife of Welf [II] Graf von Altdorf (see below)[65]. The reference to “Glizperch” represents the earliest indication of a relationship between the Luxembourg family and the Grafen von Gleiberg (see the document FRANCONIA NOBILITY). One possibility is that the wife of Graf Friedrich was heiress of Gleiberg. However, Irmtrud/Imiza is the only one of the siblings shown below in relation to whom a reference to Gleiberg has been found. This raises the interesting possibility that Irmtrud/Imiza, while sharing the same mother as the three brothers named in the Genealogia Welforum, may have been born from a different father who presumably held Gleiberg. It should be emphasised that this suggestion is highly speculative. Another indication of a Gleiberg/Luxembourg family connection is provided by Bernold´s Chronicon which records in 1059 that “Fridericus et fratres eius de Glichberga” rebelled against “Heinrico regi”[66]. It is not known which of Friedrich´s brothers may have been “von Gleiberg”. She married [secondly] Friedrich Graf im Moselgau.]"
Med Lands cites:
[64] Vita Adelheidis abbatissæ Vilicensis 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 757.
[65] Genealogia Welforum 7, MGH SS XIII, p. 734, footnote 20 interpreting the first place as "Möhring" near Friedberg in Bavaria.
[66] Bernoldi Chronicon, 1059, MGH SS V, p. 427.6
[65] Genealogia Welforum 7, MGH SS XIII, p. 734, footnote 20 interpreting the first place as "Möhring" near Friedberg in Bavaria.
[66] Bernoldi Chronicon, 1059, MGH SS V, p. 427.6
Family 1 | NN von Gleiberg d. b 1000 |
Family 2 | Friedrich I (?) Graf im Moselgau, sn of Gleiberg b. c 965, d. 6 Oct 1019 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 3 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg3.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Irmtrud) von Lahngau: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092000&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#dauHeribertdiedafter985MFriedrichMoselga. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), line 143-20, p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HESSEN.htm#GleibergMHammerstein
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00091999&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LUXEMBOURG.htm#Fredericdied1019B
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Luxembourg, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Luxembourg.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Wetterau family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/wetterau.html#EH1
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LUXEMBOURG.htm#Sigefroidied998
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg3.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00735987&tree=LEO
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Frédéric/Friedrich: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/frede000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Giselbert of Wallerfangen: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gisel102.htm
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Otgive of Luxemburg: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/otgiv000.htm
- [S4794] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families (5 Volumes) (Salt Lake City, UT: Self Published, 2013), Vol 5, pp. 503-504.. Hereinafter cited as Richardson [2013] Royal Ancestry Series (5 Vols).
- [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 24 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
- [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/EG8fUGArHIU/Qw5ZuaE9NxQJ;context-place=forum/soc.genealogy.medieval.
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10867
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gräfin Irmentrud von Gleiberg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092000&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Irmtrud|Imiza von Luxemburg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00304873&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LUXEMBOURG.htm#Imizadied1055MWelfII
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LUXEMBOURG.htm#Fredericdied1065
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LUXEMBOURG.htm#_ftnref143
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092001&tree=LEO
Heribert I (?) Graf von Gleiberg im Kinziggau und von der Wetterau1,2
M, #10780, d. 992
Father | Udo (?) Count in the Wetterau, Lord of Rheingau, Lahngau2,3 b. c 900, d. 2 Dec 949 |
Mother | Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois2,4 b. c 882, d. 2 Dec 949 |
Reference | GAV27 EDV27 |
Last Edited | 15 Aug 2020 |
Heribert I (?) Graf von Gleiberg im Kinziggau und von der Wetterau married Irmentrude/Imiza (?), daughter of Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf and Gerberge van Julich.5,2
Heribert I (?) Graf von Gleiberg im Kinziggau und von der Wetterau died in 992; Ravilious cites:
1. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge,"
[ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio
Klostermann, 1998 [4th series], Band I.1 [Tafel 3 - Die Arnulfinger -751-771 Konige der Franken ], First series by
Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by
Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.2
He was Count of Gleiberg.5 GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28.
Heribert I (?) Graf von Gleiberg im Kinziggau und von der Wetterau died in 992; Ravilious cites:
1. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge,"
[ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio
Klostermann, 1998 [4th series], Band I.1 [Tafel 3 - Die Arnulfinger -751-771 Konige der Franken ], First series by
Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by
Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.2
He was Count of Gleiberg.5 GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28.
Family | Irmentrude/Imiza (?) |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 3 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg3.html
- [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, count Udo von der Wetterau: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726526&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Cunegonde|Kunigunde) de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726527&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-20, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#Gerbergadiedafter1036MHeinrichSchweinfur. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Irmtrud) von Lahngau: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092000&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#dauHeribertdiedafter985MFriedrichMoselga
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), line 143-20, p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
Irmentrude/Imiza (?)1
F, #10781
Father | Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf2,3 |
Mother | Gerberge van Julich2,4 d. c 995 |
Reference | GAV27 EDV27 |
Last Edited | 29 Aug 2020 |
Irmentrude/Imiza (?) married Heribert I (?) Graf von Gleiberg im Kinziggau und von der Wetterau, son of Udo (?) Count in the Wetterau, Lord of Rheingau, Lahngau and Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois.5,2
GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28.
GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-28.
Family | Heribert I (?) Graf von Gleiberg im Kinziggau und von der Wetterau d. 992 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#dauHeribertdiedafter985MFriedrichMoselga. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, graaf Megingoz 'the Brown': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726529&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberge van Julich: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726530&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-20, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#Gerbergadiedafter1036MHeinrichSchweinfur
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Irmtrud) von Lahngau: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00092000&tree=LEO
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), line 143-20, p. 136. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
Udo (?) Count in the Wetterau, Lord of Rheingau, Lahngau1,2
M, #10782, b. circa 900, d. 2 December 949
Father | Gebhard (?) Duke in Lothringen, Graf im Oberen Rheingau,3,4,5,6 b. c 870, d. 22 Jun 910 |
Mother | Ita/Ida/Hidda von Grabfeld1,2,7 |
Reference | GAV28 EDV28 |
Last Edited | 17 Sep 2020 |
Udo (?) Count in the Wetterau, Lord of Rheingau, Lahngau was born circa 900.2 He married Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois, daughter of Heribert I (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin and Bertha (?) de Morvois, Countess of Vermandois, before 918
; Med Lands says m 915; Per Wikipedia (Fr.): "Cunégonde, mariée vers 915 à Odon Ier, comte de Wetterau.8,9,2,3,10,11"
Udo (?) Count in the Wetterau, Lord of Rheingau, Lahngau died on 2 December 949.9,1,2,12
; Per Ravilious email [2005]:
1.2 Udo of Swabia
Death: 0949[1]
count of the Rheingau
cf. ES I Tafel 8[1]
Spouse: NN of Vermandois
Father: Heribert I of Vermandois (-0907)
Children: Heribert (-0992)
Ravilious cites: 1. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1998 [4th series], Band I.1 [Tafel 3 - Die Arnulfinger -751-771 Konige der Franken ], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.1
; Per Med Lands:
"UDO ([895/900]-949). Regino names "duobus filiis suis [=Gebeardus comes] …pueris Udone et Herimanno" when recording their father's death fighting the Hungarians in 910[291]. His birth date range is estimated from Regino thus describing him as "puer" on the death of his father, but bearing in mind the likely birth date range of his own son Gebhard. "Chuonradus…rex" confirmed privileges to the bishopric of Utrecht by charter dated 9 Jul 914 at the request of "Udonem consanguineum nostrum Vualdergerumque comitem"[292]. Liudprand names "Huto sane" as brother of "Herimanni Suevorum ducis"[293]. Graf in der Wetterau 914: "Chuonradus…rex" granted property "in comitatu Otonis in pago Wetereiba" to Weilburg church by charter dated 24 Apr 914[294]. "Chuonradus…rex" confirmed property to the bishopric of Utrecht at the request of "Udonem consanguineum nostrum Vualdgerumque comitum" by charter dated 9 Jul 914[295]. Graf im Rheingau 917: "Chuonradus…rex" granted property "in pago Rinicgouue in comitatu Utonis" to "capellano Werinolf" by charter dated 3 Nov 917[296]. Graf im Lahngau 918. He founded St Maria at Wetzlar 914-915. "Heinricus…rex" granted property to "in pago Hegouue in eodem comitatu…in loco Siginga" to "Baboni…comitis Burchardi vassallo" after consultation with "Burchardi, Ebarhardi, Chuonradi, Heinrici atque Utonis…comitum" by charter dated 30 Nov 920[297]. Graf im Rheingau 948: "Otto…rex" granted property "in villa Hemmingersbach…in pago Rinecgouue in comitatu Vdonis comitis…in pago Lobotengouue in comitatu Cunradi comitis" to "clerico Liuthere" by charter dated 28 Feb 948[298]. Thietmar records that "Udo" killed Eberhard[299], which is assumed to refer to Udo son of Gebhard, Eberhard being his first cousin. The necrology of Fulda records the death in 949 of "Uto comes"[300]. Regino records the death in 950 of "Uto comes"[301].
"m ([915]) [CUNIGUNDIS] de Vermandois, daughter of HERIBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his wife [Lietgardis] --- ([890/900][302]-after 943). The Vermandois origin of Graf Udo's wife is suggested by the fact that Flodoard refers to the wife of "Uddone [frater Hermanno]" as amita of "Hugo [de Vermandois Archbishop of Reims]"[303]. The name of Graf Udo's wife is not given explicitly in the sources. However, a "Cunegundis" is named in a name-list in the Reichenau memorial book dated [926/32] which appears to include members of the Konradiner family, Jackman suggesting that she is well placed in the list to be Graf Gebhard's wife[304], although this is not the only possible interpretation.
"Udo & his wife had three children:
Med Lands cites:
; Per Wikipedia:
"Odo of Wetterau (c. 895 – 2 December 949) was a prominent German nobleman of the 10th century.
"In 914, Odo was appointed Count of Wetterau and founded St. Mary's Church in Wetzlar. The Wetterau had been one of the counties of his father Gebhard, and Odo also acquired two other counties that had been his: Rheingau in 917 and Lahngau in 918.
"Odo is best known for the Battle of Andernach on 2 October 939. The rebellious dukes Gilbert II of Maasgau and Eberhard of Franconia had looted the counties of Odo and his nephew Conrad (Count of Lower Lahngau) east of the Rhine. Their force was so great that Odo and Conrad could not resist them. But when the insurgents crossed the Rhine again at Andernach to return to Lorraine, Odo and Conrad had a chance. Gilbert and Eberhard were still at their rear on the eastern shore when the bulk of the army had made the crossing. At that moment Odo and Conrad fell and defeated the troops who were left behind. Eberhard was thereby slain and Gilbert drowned when he tried to flee on the Rhine. The rebellion was thus broken and Emperor Otto I the Great could easily recover his authority. Odo thus became a favorite of Otto: at the death of Conrad (949), he was also appointed Count of Lower Lahngau.
"He married a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois, presumably named Cunigunda. They had the following children:
** Gebhard (d. 938), killed in the fight against the insurgency of Thankmar, the elder half-brother of Emperor Otto.
** Herbert (c. 930 – 992)
** Otto
** Odo (d. 26 Aug 965), appointed Bishop of Strasbourg on 13 Aug 950, possibly the same person as his brother Otto.
** Judith
** Conrad I, Duke of Swabia."13
Reference: Weis [19921:125] Line 143-20.8 GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Hildebrande de Vermandois ° ~882 + 12/12/949
ép. ~918 Eudes (Conradin, Udo) de Wetterau (Souabe) + 02/12/949."12
He was living between 914 and 948.2
; Med Lands says m 915; Per Wikipedia (Fr.): "Cunégonde, mariée vers 915 à Odon Ier, comte de Wetterau.8,9,2,3,10,11"
Udo (?) Count in the Wetterau, Lord of Rheingau, Lahngau died on 2 December 949.9,1,2,12
; Per Ravilious email [2005]:
1.2 Udo of Swabia
Death: 0949[1]
count of the Rheingau
cf. ES I Tafel 8[1]
Spouse: NN of Vermandois
Father: Heribert I of Vermandois (-0907)
Children: Heribert (-0992)
Ravilious cites: 1. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1998 [4th series], Band I.1 [Tafel 3 - Die Arnulfinger -751-771 Konige der Franken ], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.1
; Per Med Lands:
"UDO ([895/900]-949). Regino names "duobus filiis suis [=Gebeardus comes] …pueris Udone et Herimanno" when recording their father's death fighting the Hungarians in 910[291]. His birth date range is estimated from Regino thus describing him as "puer" on the death of his father, but bearing in mind the likely birth date range of his own son Gebhard. "Chuonradus…rex" confirmed privileges to the bishopric of Utrecht by charter dated 9 Jul 914 at the request of "Udonem consanguineum nostrum Vualdergerumque comitem"[292]. Liudprand names "Huto sane" as brother of "Herimanni Suevorum ducis"[293]. Graf in der Wetterau 914: "Chuonradus…rex" granted property "in comitatu Otonis in pago Wetereiba" to Weilburg church by charter dated 24 Apr 914[294]. "Chuonradus…rex" confirmed property to the bishopric of Utrecht at the request of "Udonem consanguineum nostrum Vualdgerumque comitum" by charter dated 9 Jul 914[295]. Graf im Rheingau 917: "Chuonradus…rex" granted property "in pago Rinicgouue in comitatu Utonis" to "capellano Werinolf" by charter dated 3 Nov 917[296]. Graf im Lahngau 918. He founded St Maria at Wetzlar 914-915. "Heinricus…rex" granted property to "in pago Hegouue in eodem comitatu…in loco Siginga" to "Baboni…comitis Burchardi vassallo" after consultation with "Burchardi, Ebarhardi, Chuonradi, Heinrici atque Utonis…comitum" by charter dated 30 Nov 920[297]. Graf im Rheingau 948: "Otto…rex" granted property "in villa Hemmingersbach…in pago Rinecgouue in comitatu Vdonis comitis…in pago Lobotengouue in comitatu Cunradi comitis" to "clerico Liuthere" by charter dated 28 Feb 948[298]. Thietmar records that "Udo" killed Eberhard[299], which is assumed to refer to Udo son of Gebhard, Eberhard being his first cousin. The necrology of Fulda records the death in 949 of "Uto comes"[300]. Regino records the death in 950 of "Uto comes"[301].
"m ([915]) [CUNIGUNDIS] de Vermandois, daughter of HERIBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his wife [Lietgardis] --- ([890/900][302]-after 943). The Vermandois origin of Graf Udo's wife is suggested by the fact that Flodoard refers to the wife of "Uddone [frater Hermanno]" as amita of "Hugo [de Vermandois Archbishop of Reims]"[303]. The name of Graf Udo's wife is not given explicitly in the sources. However, a "Cunegundis" is named in a name-list in the Reichenau memorial book dated [926/32] which appears to include members of the Konradiner family, Jackman suggesting that she is well placed in the list to be Graf Gebhard's wife[304], although this is not the only possible interpretation.
"Udo & his wife had three children:
"i) GEBHARD ([918/20]-killed in battle 938).
"ii) OTTO ([920/25]-).
"iii) UDO (-26 Aug 965)."
"ii) OTTO ([920/25]-).
"iii) UDO (-26 Aug 965)."
Med Lands cites:
[291] Continuator Reginonis Trevirensis 910, MGH SS I, p. 614.
[292] D K I 24, p. 23.
[293] Liudprandi Antapodosis IV.28, MGH SS III, p. 325.
[294] D K I 19, p. 18.
[295] D K I 24, p. 23.
[296] D K I 32, p. 29.
[297] D H I 2, p. 40.
[298] D O I 95, p. 178.
[299] Thietmar 2.34, p. 117.
[300] Annales Necrologici Fuldenses, MGH SS XIII, p. 123.
[301] Continuator Reginonis Trevirensis 949, MGH SS I, p. 620.
[302] Birth date range estimated from her estimated marriage date.
[303] Flodoard 946, MGH SS III, p. 393.
[304] Jackman (1997), p. 38.3
[292] D K I 24, p. 23.
[293] Liudprandi Antapodosis IV.28, MGH SS III, p. 325.
[294] D K I 19, p. 18.
[295] D K I 24, p. 23.
[296] D K I 32, p. 29.
[297] D H I 2, p. 40.
[298] D O I 95, p. 178.
[299] Thietmar 2.34, p. 117.
[300] Annales Necrologici Fuldenses, MGH SS XIII, p. 123.
[301] Continuator Reginonis Trevirensis 949, MGH SS I, p. 620.
[302] Birth date range estimated from her estimated marriage date.
[303] Flodoard 946, MGH SS III, p. 393.
[304] Jackman (1997), p. 38.3
; Per Wikipedia:
"Odo of Wetterau (c. 895 – 2 December 949) was a prominent German nobleman of the 10th century.
"In 914, Odo was appointed Count of Wetterau and founded St. Mary's Church in Wetzlar. The Wetterau had been one of the counties of his father Gebhard, and Odo also acquired two other counties that had been his: Rheingau in 917 and Lahngau in 918.
"Odo is best known for the Battle of Andernach on 2 October 939. The rebellious dukes Gilbert II of Maasgau and Eberhard of Franconia had looted the counties of Odo and his nephew Conrad (Count of Lower Lahngau) east of the Rhine. Their force was so great that Odo and Conrad could not resist them. But when the insurgents crossed the Rhine again at Andernach to return to Lorraine, Odo and Conrad had a chance. Gilbert and Eberhard were still at their rear on the eastern shore when the bulk of the army had made the crossing. At that moment Odo and Conrad fell and defeated the troops who were left behind. Eberhard was thereby slain and Gilbert drowned when he tried to flee on the Rhine. The rebellion was thus broken and Emperor Otto I the Great could easily recover his authority. Odo thus became a favorite of Otto: at the death of Conrad (949), he was also appointed Count of Lower Lahngau.
"He married a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois, presumably named Cunigunda. They had the following children:
** Gebhard (d. 938), killed in the fight against the insurgency of Thankmar, the elder half-brother of Emperor Otto.
** Herbert (c. 930 – 992)
** Otto
** Odo (d. 26 Aug 965), appointed Bishop of Strasbourg on 13 Aug 950, possibly the same person as his brother Otto.
** Judith
** Conrad I, Duke of Swabia."13
Reference: Weis [19921:125] Line 143-20.8 GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Hildebrande de Vermandois ° ~882 + 12/12/949
ép. ~918 Eudes (Conradin, Udo) de Wetterau (Souabe) + 02/12/949."12
He was living between 914 and 948.2
Family | Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois b. c 882, d. 2 Dec 949 |
Children |
Citations
- [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, count Udo von der Wetterau: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726526&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#Udodied949. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gebhard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313110&tree=LEO
- [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ
- [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, Gebhard II von Lothringen: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I14312&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ita: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313111&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-20, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Herbert Ier de Vermandois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Ier_de_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Cunegonde|Kunigunde) de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726527&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odo_of_Wetterau. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120363&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Judith von Lahngau: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00201293&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, duke Cuno: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120359&tree=LEO
Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois1,2,3,4,5
F, #10783, b. circa 882, d. 2 December 949
Father | Heribert I (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 b. bt 840 - 850, d. c 902 |
Mother | Bertha (?) de Morvois, Countess of Vermandois11,9 |
Reference | GAV28 EDV28 |
Last Edited | 29 Aug 2020 |
Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois was born circa 882; Racines et Histoire says bc. ca 882; Genealogics says b. ca 900.8,9 She married Udo (?) Count in the Wetterau, Lord of Rheingau, Lahngau, son of Gebhard (?) Duke in Lothringen, Graf im Oberen Rheingau, and Ita/Ida/Hidda von Grabfeld, before 918
; Med Lands says m 915; Per Wikipedia (Fr.): "Cunégonde, mariée vers 915 à Odon Ier, comte de Wetterau.4,2,12,13,14,9"
Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois died on 2 December 949; Racines et Histoire says d. 2 Dec 949; Genealogics says d. 943.8,9
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Hildebrande de Vermandois ° ~882 + 12/12/949
ép. ~918 Eudes (Conradin, Udo) de Wetterau (Souabe) + 02/12/949."8
Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois was also known as Hildebrande de Vermandois.8 GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.
; Per Med Lands:
"[daughter [CUNIGUNDIS] ([890/900]-after 943). The Vermandois origin of Graf Udo's wife is suggested by the fact that Flodoard refers to the wife of "Uddone [frater Hermanno]" as amita of "Hugo [de Vermandois Archbishop of Reims]"[196]. The name of Graf Udo's wife is not given explicitly in the sources. However, a "Cunegundis" is named in a name-list in the Reichenau memorial book dated [926/32] which appears to include members of the Konradiner family, Jackman suggesting that she is well placed in the list to be Graf Gebhard's wife[197], although this is not the only possible interpretation of the text. Her birth date range is estimated from her estimated marriage date.
"m ([915]) UDO Graf in der Wetterau, son of GEBHARD Graf in der Wetterau [Konradiner] & his wife Hidda --- (-12 Dec 949).]"
Med Lands cites:
; Med Lands says m 915; Per Wikipedia (Fr.): "Cunégonde, mariée vers 915 à Odon Ier, comte de Wetterau.4,2,12,13,14,9"
Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois died on 2 December 949; Racines et Histoire says d. 2 Dec 949; Genealogics says d. 943.8,9
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Hildebrande de Vermandois ° ~882 + 12/12/949
ép. ~918 Eudes (Conradin, Udo) de Wetterau (Souabe) + 02/12/949."8
Cunegonde (?) de Vermandois was also known as Hildebrande de Vermandois.8 GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.
; Per Med Lands:
"[daughter [CUNIGUNDIS] ([890/900]-after 943). The Vermandois origin of Graf Udo's wife is suggested by the fact that Flodoard refers to the wife of "Uddone [frater Hermanno]" as amita of "Hugo [de Vermandois Archbishop of Reims]"[196]. The name of Graf Udo's wife is not given explicitly in the sources. However, a "Cunegundis" is named in a name-list in the Reichenau memorial book dated [926/32] which appears to include members of the Konradiner family, Jackman suggesting that she is well placed in the list to be Graf Gebhard's wife[197], although this is not the only possible interpretation of the text. Her birth date range is estimated from her estimated marriage date.
"m ([915]) UDO Graf in der Wetterau, son of GEBHARD Graf in der Wetterau [Konradiner] & his wife Hidda --- (-12 Dec 949).]"
Med Lands cites:
[196] Flodoard 946, MGH SS III, p. 393.
[197] Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research), p. 38.15
[197] Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research), p. 38.15
Family | Udo (?) Count in the Wetterau, Lord of Rheingau, Lahngau b. c 900, d. 2 Dec 949 |
Children |
Citations
- Cunegonde's name is from La Préhistoire des Capétiens p. 222.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Vermandois: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313104&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-20, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020187&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#HeribertIdied900907. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Cunegonde|Kunigunde) de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726527&tree=LEO
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Heribert I: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herib001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bertha de Morvois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020188&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, count Udo von der Wetterau: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726526&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#Udodied949
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Herbert Ier de Vermandois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Ier_de_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Kunigunddiedafter943
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Judith von Lahngau: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00201293&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, duke Cuno: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120359&tree=LEO
William La Zouche1,2
M, #10785, d. 1352
Father | Sir William La Zouche Knt., 1st Lord Zouche of Haryngworth1,2 b. c 21 Dec 1276, d. 11 Mar 1351/52 |
Mother | Maud Lovel1,2 b. c 1276, d. bt 1313 - 1324 |
Last Edited | 7 Sep 2004 |
Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Zouche Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html
Ann Rawlings1
F, #10786, b. 1666, d. between 29 March 1740 and 28 August 1740
Charts | Ancestors - Myrtle Lee ROBERTS |
Reference | GAV6 |
Last Edited | 5 Dec 2018 |
Ann Rawlings was born in 1666.1 She married Charles Higginbotham Sr., son of Capt. John Higginbotham and Anne (?), on 9 August 1688 at Saint Philip Parish, Barbados,
; Ancestry.com - Caribbean, English Settlers in Barbados, 1637-1800
Name: Chs. Higginbotham
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 9 Aug 1688
Marriage Place: St Philip Parish, Barbados
Spouse: Ann Rawlins
Others on Record: Name Relationship
Chs. Higginbotham
Ann Rawlins
Source Citation
Barbados Marriages, Vol II, 1643-1800; Section: St Philip Parish
Source Information: Ancestry.com. Caribbean, English Settlers in Barbados, 1637-1800 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
Original data:
Joanne McRee Sanders. Barbados Records: Marriages, 1643-1800. Vols. 1-2. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1982. p. 537.1
Ann Rawlings died between 29 March 1740 and 28 August 1740 at Barbados.1
Her estate was probated on 28 August 1740 at Barbados.2
GAV-6.
In Charles Higginbotham Sr.'s will dated 17 August 1732 at Barbados, Ann Rawlings was named as an heir; pg 600 Virginia Will Records - From The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's Quarterly. Indexed by Judith McGhan. Published 1993: "This Charles Higginbotham lived in the Barbadoes and his will dated Augt. 17, 1732, proved in the Barbadoes May 20, 1734, names wife Ann, sons Cleaver Higginbotham and John Higginbotham; granddaughters Ann Reddin, Hepzibah Higginbotham and Ann Higginbotham."2
Ann Rawlings left a will on 29 March 1740 at Barbados; pg 600 Virginia Will Records - From The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's Quarterly. Indexed by Judith McGhan. Published 1993: "Mrs. Ann Higginbotham (widow of Charles Higginbotham) in her will dated Mar. 29, 1740; proved in the Barbadoes, Augt. 28, 1740, names her sons John Higginbotham, Charles Higginbotham, Thomas Higginbotham, Joseph Higginbotham and Cleaver Higginbotham; grandson John Reddan [Reddin]; granddaughter Ann Reddan [Reddin]."2
; Ancestry.com - Caribbean, English Settlers in Barbados, 1637-1800
Name: Chs. Higginbotham
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 9 Aug 1688
Marriage Place: St Philip Parish, Barbados
Spouse: Ann Rawlins
Others on Record: Name Relationship
Chs. Higginbotham
Ann Rawlins
Source Citation
Barbados Marriages, Vol II, 1643-1800; Section: St Philip Parish
Source Information: Ancestry.com. Caribbean, English Settlers in Barbados, 1637-1800 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
Original data:
Joanne McRee Sanders. Barbados Records: Marriages, 1643-1800. Vols. 1-2. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1982. p. 537.1
Ann Rawlings died between 29 March 1740 and 28 August 1740 at Barbados.1
Her estate was probated on 28 August 1740 at Barbados.2
GAV-6.
In Charles Higginbotham Sr.'s will dated 17 August 1732 at Barbados, Ann Rawlings was named as an heir; pg 600 Virginia Will Records - From The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's Quarterly. Indexed by Judith McGhan. Published 1993: "This Charles Higginbotham lived in the Barbadoes and his will dated Augt. 17, 1732, proved in the Barbadoes May 20, 1734, names wife Ann, sons Cleaver Higginbotham and John Higginbotham; granddaughters Ann Reddin, Hepzibah Higginbotham and Ann Higginbotham."2
Ann Rawlings left a will on 29 March 1740 at Barbados; pg 600 Virginia Will Records - From The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's Quarterly. Indexed by Judith McGhan. Published 1993: "Mrs. Ann Higginbotham (widow of Charles Higginbotham) in her will dated Mar. 29, 1740; proved in the Barbadoes, Augt. 28, 1740, names her sons John Higginbotham, Charles Higginbotham, Thomas Higginbotham, Joseph Higginbotham and Cleaver Higginbotham; grandson John Reddan [Reddin]; granddaughter Ann Reddan [Reddin]."2
Family | Charles Higginbotham Sr. b. 6 Feb 1663, d. bt 17 Aug 1732 - 20 May 1734 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S2338] Ancestry.Com Family Trees, online http://trees.ancestry.com/, Oliver Higginbotham Family Tree: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/333903/person/-323103681/facts. Hereinafter cited as Ancestry.Com Family Trees.
- [S2354] Ancestry.Com Web Site, online http://search.ancestry.com/, Information seen on Ancestry.com on 5 Dec 2018 at: https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/333903/person/-323103681/media/58fcc35d-fdb7-42e3-9bb0-5e513cb64926?_phsrc=OQU3276&usePUBJs=true. Hereinafter cited as Ancestry.Com Web Site.
- [S2354] Ancestry.Com Web Site, online http://search.ancestry.com/, Virginia Will Records: English Wills and Will Abstracts: Will of an Early Settler of the Barbados. See on 5 Dec 2018 at Ancestry.com. Virginia Will Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2008. Original data: Judith McGhan. Virginia Will Records. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1993.
Image: https://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=48444 (pp. 600-606). - [S2338] Ancestry.Com Family Trees, online http://trees.ancestry.com/, Oliver Higginbotham Family Tree: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/333903/person/-323042171/facts
- [S3213] FamilySearch.Org Website, online <https://familysearch.org/>, "Barbados Church Records, 1637-1887," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ8R-F3LZ : 9 August 2017), Thomas Higinbotham, 29 May 1698; citing Baptism, St Philip, Barbados, Department of Archives, Blackrock; FHL microfilm 1,157,934.1,157,934.. Hereinafter cited as FamilySearch.Org Website.
Kunigunde (?)1
F, #10787, b. circa 890
Mother | Ermentrude (?) of the West Franks1,2 b. c 875 |
Reference | GAV28 EDV28 |
Last Edited | 24 Dec 2020 |
Kunigunde (?) was born circa 890.3,1 She married Wigeric (?) Count in the Trier & Ardennesgau, son of Odoacar/Regnier (?) Gf im Bliesgau/Thiergau und im Ardennergau, circa 910.1
Kunigunde (?) married Richwin (?) Count of Verdun circa 920
; her 2nd husband.3
GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.
; the name of Kunigunde's father is unknown, but her mother was Ermentrude, dau.of King Louis II of Neustria and the West Franks.1 Kunigunde (?) was also known as Kunigunde (?) of France.4 Kunigunde (?) was also known as Kunigunde (?) de Francia.4
Kunigunde (?) married Richwin (?) Count of Verdun circa 920
; her 2nd husband.3
GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.
; the name of Kunigunde's father is unknown, but her mother was Ermentrude, dau.of King Louis II of Neustria and the West Franks.1 Kunigunde (?) was also known as Kunigunde (?) of France.4 Kunigunde (?) was also known as Kunigunde (?) de Francia.4
Family 1 | Wigeric (?) Count in the Trier & Ardennesgau b. 886, d. 919 |
Children |
|
Family 2 | Richwin (?) Count of Verdun d. 923 |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrud of Westfranken: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00091993&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-18, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10881
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gozelo: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124988&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Gozelondied942B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331147&tree=LEO
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I43980
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Liutgardediedafter960
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siegfried: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00091997&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LUXEMBOURG.htm#fatherSiegfriedMCunegonde
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Sigefroidied998
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/siegf000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
Adalbero (?) Bishop of Verdun1,2
M, #10788, d. between 18 December 991 and April 991
Father | Godefroi/Godfrey "the Old" "the Prisoner" I (?) Graf von Bidgau Bidgau, Ct of Verdun1,2,3 b. bt 930 - 935, d. a 3 Sep 997 |
Mother | Mathilde/Maud Billung (?) von Sachsen1,2 b. c 940, d. 25 May 1008 |
Last Edited | 12 Jun 2020 |
Adalbero (?) Bishop of Verdun died between 18 December 991 and April 991 at Italy (now).1,2
; Bishop of Verdun.1
; Bishop of Verdun.1
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/mathi000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Godefroidied995B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
Ermentrude (?) of the West Franks1,2,3
F, #10789, b. circa 875
Father | Louis II 'le Bègue/The Stammerer' (?) King of Neustria and the West Franks1,2,4,5 b. 1 Nov 846, d. 10 Apr 879 |
Mother | Adélaïde/Adelais (?) of Paris2,4,6,7 b. c 855, d. a 11 Nov 901 |
Reference | GAV29 EDV29 |
Last Edited | 27 Aug 2020 |
Ermentrude (?) of the West Franks was born circa 875; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says b. 870/5; Weis says b. 870; Leo van der Pas says b. ca 875.8,2,4
; Leo van de Pas cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 119.4 GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30.
; Leo van de Pas cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 119.4 GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30.
Family | |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrud of Westfranken: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00191993&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrud of Westfranken: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00091993&tree=LEO
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Louis II le Bègue (the Stammerer): http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/louis001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036216&tree=LEO
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adélaïde: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/adela005.htm
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-17, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
Adélaïde/Adelais (?) of Paris1,2
F, #10790, b. circa 855, d. after 11 November 901
Father | Adalhard/Alard (?) Count Palatine of Paris3,4,1,5,2 b. c 830, d. a 890 |
Reference | GAV30 EDV30 |
Last Edited | 27 Aug 2020 |
Adélaïde/Adelais (?) of Paris was born circa 855; Genealogics says b. ca 855; Med Lands says b. 855/890.4,1 She married Louis II 'le Bègue/The Stammerer' (?) King of Neustria and the West Franks, son of Charles II "The Bald" (?) King of West Franks, King of Aquitaine, Holy Roman Emperor and ErmentrudeErmengardeHermintrudis (?) of Orleans, in 875
; Charlemagne Descendants, Vol 1 says m. bet 868 and 870.6,4,2,7
Adélaïde/Adelais (?) of Paris died after 11 November 901; Med Lands says d. 18 Nov 901; The Henry Project sasy d. aft 9 Nov 901.8,4,1,2
Adélaïde/Adelais (?) of Paris was buried after 11 November 901 at Compiegne Abbey, Compiègne, Departement de l'Oise, Picardie, France (now); From Find A Grave:
BIRTH unknown, France
DEATH 10 Nov 901, France
Adelaide or Judith of Paris. Daughter of the Count Palatine Adalard of Paris. She was the great granddaughter of Begon, Count of Paris, and Alpais, the illegitimate daughter of Louis the Pious. She was the second wife of Louis the Stammerer, King of Western Francia, and the mother of Charles the Simple and one duaghter, Ermetrude.
Charles the Bald, King of the Franks, chose Adelaide as a wife for his son, Louis, not knowing Louis had already married Ansgarde of Burgundy secretly, and had produced two sons, Louis and Carloman. Charles went to the pope to dissolve the marriage, then married his son to Adelaide in February of 875. Their kinship was later questioned as they were related through Charlemagne. When Pope John VIII crowned Louis as King of the Franks of September 7, 878, he refused to crown Adelaide as queen. Louis died April 10, 879 with no male issue from Adelaide although she was pregnant with Charles the Simple, who was born September 17, 879. The dispute between Adelaide and Ansgarde ended in favor of Adelaide, yet Ansgarde's sons would become kings in turn. Charles the Simple did finally become king in 898.
Adelais of Paris died in Laon on 10 November 901. She was buried in the Abbey of Saint-Corneille, Compiègne, Picardy, France.
Family Members
Spouse
Louis The Stammerer 846–879
Children
Ermentrude of France
Charles III Carolingian 879–929
BURIAL Compiegne Abbey, Compiegne, Departement de l'Oise, Picardie, France
Created by: Anne Shurtleff Stevens
Added: 1 Apr 2012
Find A Grave Memorial 87801201.9
; Per Genealogics:
"Emperor Charles 'the Bald' chose Adelheid as the wife for his son Louis II 'the Stammerer', the future king of West-France. However in March 862 Louis married Ansgard de Bourgogne in a secret ceremony, and against the will of his father. Despite the birth of several children to the marriage, Emperor Charles arranged for the Pope to annul it, and Louis' marriage to Adelheid was celebrated in February 875. However, because the couple were closely related the Pope refused to crown Adelheid at the Council of Troyes in 878.
"Adelheid and Louis had a daughter Ermentrud who would have progeny. After Louis died in Compiègne in 879, Adelheid gave birth to her only son Charles, the future Charles III 'the Simple', king of France. Her late husband's repudiated wife Ansgard and her two sons accused Adelheid of adultery, and she was forced to defend herself in a long, difficult process.
"Ansgard's sons Louis III and Karlmann II followed their father as kings, but both died after short reigns, leaving no heirs. Adelheid was acquitted, and in the year 898 she was able to attend the coronation of her son Charles III.
"Adelheid died at Laon after 9 November 901. She was buried in the abbey of Saint-Corneille, Compiègne."10
Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 106.11
; This is the same person as ”Adélaïde” at The Henry Project.2
; Per Wikipedia:
"Adélaïde of Paris (or Aélis) (c. 850/853 – 10 November 901) was a Frankish queen. She was the second wife of Louis the Stammerer, King of West Francia, and was the mother of Charles the Simple.
Life
"Adelaide was the daughter of the count palatine Adalard of Paris. She was chosen by Charles the Bald, King of Western Francia, to marry his son and heir, Louis the Stammerer, despite the fact that Louis had secretly married Ansgarde of Burgundy against the wishes of his father. Although Louis and Ansgarde already had two children, Louis and Carloman,[1] Charles prevailed upon Pope John VIII, to dissolve the union. This accomplished, Charles married his son to Adelaide in February 875.
"However, the marriage was called into question because of the close blood-kinship of the pair. When on 7 September 878 the pope crowned Louis (who had succeeded his father in the previous year), the pope refused to crown Adelaide.[2]
"When Louis the Stammerer died in Compiegne on 10 April 879, Adelaide was pregnant, giving birth on 17 September 879, to Charles the Simple.[3] The birth of this child led to a dispute between Adelaide and Ansgarde. Ansgarde and her sons accused Adelaide of adultery; Adelaide in turn disputed the right of Ansgarde's sons to inherit. Eventually, Adelaide succeeded in winning the case; but despite this, Ansgarde's sons Louis and Carloman remained kings until their deaths without heirs in 882 and 884, respectively, with the crown then being contested between Odo, Count of Paris and Charles the Fat.
"Charles eventually succeeded to his father's throne in 898; his mother assisted in crowning him. She died in Laon on 10 November 901 and was buried in the Abbey of Saint-Corneille, Compiègne, Picardy.
References
1. Rosamond McKitterick, The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians, (Pearson Education Limited, 1999), 258.
2. McKitterick, Rosamond (2005). New Cambridge Medieval History. Cambridge University Press. p. 136. ISBN 0-521-36292-X.
3. McKitterick, Rosamond (2005). New Cambridge Medieval History. Cambridge University Press. p. 138. ISBN 0-521-36292-X."12 GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.
; Per Med Lands:
"ADELAIS ([855/60]-18 Nov [901], bur Compiègne, église abbatiale Saint-Corneille). Regino names "Adalheidis" second wife of "Hludowicus rex filius Caroli", stating that he married her after repudiating his first wife[212]. Her paternity is indicated by Vulfard (who would have been the brother of Adelais) being named sororius of King Louis II[213]. Her marriage was not recognised by the church which did not accept her husband's separation from his first wife. The Pope refused to crown Adelais with her husband at Troyes 878, considering that she was not his legitimate wife. Her children were considered illegitimate by the church.
"m ([875][214]) as his second wife, LOUIS King of Aquitaine, son of CHARLES II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks & his first wife Ermentrudis [d'Orléans] (1 Nov 846-Compiègne 10 Apr 879, bur Compiègne, église collégiale Saint-Corneille). He succeeded his father in 875 as LOUIS II "le Bègue King of the West Franks."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU: "C2. [1m.] King Louis II "the Stammerer", King of East Franks (855-877), King of Aquitaine 867, King of Franks (877-879), *1.11.846, +Compiegne 10.4.879, bur Notre-Dame; 1m: III.862 (reputiated 866) Ansgarde (+879), dau.of Cte Hardouin of Burgundy; 2m: ca 868 Adelaide, dau.of Ct Beggen/Adalhard of Paris (*850/55/60 +ca 18.10.900.)13"
; Charlemagne Descendants, Vol 1 says m. bet 868 and 870.6,4,2,7
Adélaïde/Adelais (?) of Paris died after 11 November 901; Med Lands says d. 18 Nov 901; The Henry Project sasy d. aft 9 Nov 901.8,4,1,2
Adélaïde/Adelais (?) of Paris was buried after 11 November 901 at Compiegne Abbey, Compiègne, Departement de l'Oise, Picardie, France (now); From Find A Grave:
BIRTH unknown, France
DEATH 10 Nov 901, France
Adelaide or Judith of Paris. Daughter of the Count Palatine Adalard of Paris. She was the great granddaughter of Begon, Count of Paris, and Alpais, the illegitimate daughter of Louis the Pious. She was the second wife of Louis the Stammerer, King of Western Francia, and the mother of Charles the Simple and one duaghter, Ermetrude.
Charles the Bald, King of the Franks, chose Adelaide as a wife for his son, Louis, not knowing Louis had already married Ansgarde of Burgundy secretly, and had produced two sons, Louis and Carloman. Charles went to the pope to dissolve the marriage, then married his son to Adelaide in February of 875. Their kinship was later questioned as they were related through Charlemagne. When Pope John VIII crowned Louis as King of the Franks of September 7, 878, he refused to crown Adelaide as queen. Louis died April 10, 879 with no male issue from Adelaide although she was pregnant with Charles the Simple, who was born September 17, 879. The dispute between Adelaide and Ansgarde ended in favor of Adelaide, yet Ansgarde's sons would become kings in turn. Charles the Simple did finally become king in 898.
Adelais of Paris died in Laon on 10 November 901. She was buried in the Abbey of Saint-Corneille, Compiègne, Picardy, France.
Family Members
Spouse
Louis The Stammerer 846–879
Children
Ermentrude of France
Charles III Carolingian 879–929
BURIAL Compiegne Abbey, Compiegne, Departement de l'Oise, Picardie, France
Created by: Anne Shurtleff Stevens
Added: 1 Apr 2012
Find A Grave Memorial 87801201.9
; Per Genealogics:
"Emperor Charles 'the Bald' chose Adelheid as the wife for his son Louis II 'the Stammerer', the future king of West-France. However in March 862 Louis married Ansgard de Bourgogne in a secret ceremony, and against the will of his father. Despite the birth of several children to the marriage, Emperor Charles arranged for the Pope to annul it, and Louis' marriage to Adelheid was celebrated in February 875. However, because the couple were closely related the Pope refused to crown Adelheid at the Council of Troyes in 878.
"Adelheid and Louis had a daughter Ermentrud who would have progeny. After Louis died in Compiègne in 879, Adelheid gave birth to her only son Charles, the future Charles III 'the Simple', king of France. Her late husband's repudiated wife Ansgard and her two sons accused Adelheid of adultery, and she was forced to defend herself in a long, difficult process.
"Ansgard's sons Louis III and Karlmann II followed their father as kings, but both died after short reigns, leaving no heirs. Adelheid was acquitted, and in the year 898 she was able to attend the coronation of her son Charles III.
"Adelheid died at Laon after 9 November 901. She was buried in the abbey of Saint-Corneille, Compiègne."10
Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 106.11
; This is the same person as ”Adélaïde” at The Henry Project.2
; Per Wikipedia:
"Adélaïde of Paris (or Aélis) (c. 850/853 – 10 November 901) was a Frankish queen. She was the second wife of Louis the Stammerer, King of West Francia, and was the mother of Charles the Simple.
Life
"Adelaide was the daughter of the count palatine Adalard of Paris. She was chosen by Charles the Bald, King of Western Francia, to marry his son and heir, Louis the Stammerer, despite the fact that Louis had secretly married Ansgarde of Burgundy against the wishes of his father. Although Louis and Ansgarde already had two children, Louis and Carloman,[1] Charles prevailed upon Pope John VIII, to dissolve the union. This accomplished, Charles married his son to Adelaide in February 875.
"However, the marriage was called into question because of the close blood-kinship of the pair. When on 7 September 878 the pope crowned Louis (who had succeeded his father in the previous year), the pope refused to crown Adelaide.[2]
"When Louis the Stammerer died in Compiegne on 10 April 879, Adelaide was pregnant, giving birth on 17 September 879, to Charles the Simple.[3] The birth of this child led to a dispute between Adelaide and Ansgarde. Ansgarde and her sons accused Adelaide of adultery; Adelaide in turn disputed the right of Ansgarde's sons to inherit. Eventually, Adelaide succeeded in winning the case; but despite this, Ansgarde's sons Louis and Carloman remained kings until their deaths without heirs in 882 and 884, respectively, with the crown then being contested between Odo, Count of Paris and Charles the Fat.
"Charles eventually succeeded to his father's throne in 898; his mother assisted in crowning him. She died in Laon on 10 November 901 and was buried in the Abbey of Saint-Corneille, Compiègne, Picardy.
References
1. Rosamond McKitterick, The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians, (Pearson Education Limited, 1999), 258.
2. McKitterick, Rosamond (2005). New Cambridge Medieval History. Cambridge University Press. p. 136. ISBN 0-521-36292-X.
3. McKitterick, Rosamond (2005). New Cambridge Medieval History. Cambridge University Press. p. 138. ISBN 0-521-36292-X."12 GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.
; Per Med Lands:
"ADELAIS ([855/60]-18 Nov [901], bur Compiègne, église abbatiale Saint-Corneille). Regino names "Adalheidis" second wife of "Hludowicus rex filius Caroli", stating that he married her after repudiating his first wife[212]. Her paternity is indicated by Vulfard (who would have been the brother of Adelais) being named sororius of King Louis II[213]. Her marriage was not recognised by the church which did not accept her husband's separation from his first wife. The Pope refused to crown Adelais with her husband at Troyes 878, considering that she was not his legitimate wife. Her children were considered illegitimate by the church.
"m ([875][214]) as his second wife, LOUIS King of Aquitaine, son of CHARLES II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks & his first wife Ermentrudis [d'Orléans] (1 Nov 846-Compiègne 10 Apr 879, bur Compiègne, église collégiale Saint-Corneille). He succeeded his father in 875 as LOUIS II "le Bègue King of the West Franks."
Med Lands cites:
[212] Reginonis Chronicon 878, MGH SS I, p. 589.
[213] Settipani (1993), p. 316 footnote 857 which does not cite the source for this reference.
[214] Jackman (1997), p. 119, refers to the different theories concerning the date of King Louis II's second marriage, which support dates ranging from [866/69] to Dec 877.1
[213] Settipani (1993), p. 316 footnote 857 which does not cite the source for this reference.
[214] Jackman (1997), p. 119, refers to the different theories concerning the date of King Louis II's second marriage, which support dates ranging from [866/69] to Dec 877.1
; Per Genealogy.EU: "C2. [1m.] King Louis II "the Stammerer", King of East Franks (855-877), King of Aquitaine 867, King of Franks (877-879), *1.11.846, +Compiegne 10.4.879, bur Notre-Dame; 1m: III.862 (reputiated 866) Ansgarde (+879), dau.of Cte Hardouin of Burgundy; 2m: ca 868 Adelaide, dau.of Ct Beggen/Adalhard of Paris (*850/55/60 +ca 18.10.900.)13"
Family | Louis II 'le Bègue/The Stammerer' (?) King of Neustria and the West Franks b. 1 Nov 846, d. 10 Apr 879 |
Children |
Citations
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Adelaisdied901. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adélaïde: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/adela005.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalhard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036213&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036216&tree=LEO
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Alard/Adalhard: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/adalh000.htm
- [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 132. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Louis II le Bègue (the Stammerer): http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/louis001.htm
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 143-16, pp. 125. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 15 November 2019), memorial page for Adelaide Judith of Paris (unknown–10 Nov 901), Find A Grave Memorial no. 87801201, citing Compiegne Abbey, Compiegne, Departement de l'Oise, Picardie, France ; Maintained by Anne Shurtleff Stevens (contributor 46947920), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/87801201/adelaide-judith_of-paris. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036216&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036216&tree=LEO
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_of_Paris. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Descendants of Charlemagne: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrud of Westfranken: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00091993&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Charles III 'the Simple': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020061&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIIleSimpleFrancesB
Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt1,2
M, #10791, b. circa 1275, d. 1330
Father | Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire3,1,4,2 b. 9 Dec 1256, d. 1 Mar 1293 |
Mother | Margaret/Milisent Beke3,5,2 |
Last Edited | 7 Nov 2020 |
Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt was born circa 1275; Genealogy.EU (Harcourt 7 page) says b. 1276; Leo van de Pas says b. 1276.6,2,1 He married Alice Corbet of Caus Castle, Salop, daughter of Piers/Peter Corbet 1st Baron Corbet of Caus,
; his 2nd wife.2,1 Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt married Eleanor/Ellen La Zouche, daughter of Eudes/Eon La Zouche of Haryngworth and Milicent de Cantelupe, in January 1306
; his 1st wife; Weis (AR7), line 38-30 says married "evidently as a child" before 1286; Leo van de Pas says m. Jan 1306; Genealogy.EU (Harcourt 7 page) says m. 1306.6,3,1,2,7,8
Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt died in 1330.6,1,2,8
Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt lived at Bosworth, Leicestershire, England.9
; Sir JOHN de HARCOURT, of Stanton Harcourt; ktd 1306; m 1st Eleanor, dau of Eudo la Zouche (possibly the same person as the Eon (Eon being an alternative form of Eudo) la Zouche who was f of the 1st Lord (Baron) (La) Zouche (qv) (of Haryngworth)); m 2nd Alice, dau of Peter Corbet, of Caus Castle, Salop (quite possibly that Piers or Peter Corbet who was called to Parl by writ of summons 24 June 1295, thus according to later doctrine becoming 1st Lord (Baron) Corbet; see also 1970 edn CORBET, Bt), and d 1330, leaving by his 1st wife: Sir WILLIAM de HARCOURT.3
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 222
2. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage,Baronetage and Knightage, London, Reference: 1219
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139.2
Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt lived at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.10
; his 2nd wife.2,1 Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt married Eleanor/Ellen La Zouche, daughter of Eudes/Eon La Zouche of Haryngworth and Milicent de Cantelupe, in January 1306
; his 1st wife; Weis (AR7), line 38-30 says married "evidently as a child" before 1286; Leo van de Pas says m. Jan 1306; Genealogy.EU (Harcourt 7 page) says m. 1306.6,3,1,2,7,8
Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt died in 1330.6,1,2,8
Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt lived at Bosworth, Leicestershire, England.9
; Sir JOHN de HARCOURT, of Stanton Harcourt; ktd 1306; m 1st Eleanor, dau of Eudo la Zouche (possibly the same person as the Eon (Eon being an alternative form of Eudo) la Zouche who was f of the 1st Lord (Baron) (La) Zouche (qv) (of Haryngworth)); m 2nd Alice, dau of Peter Corbet, of Caus Castle, Salop (quite possibly that Piers or Peter Corbet who was called to Parl by writ of summons 24 June 1295, thus according to later doctrine becoming 1st Lord (Baron) Corbet; see also 1970 edn CORBET, Bt), and d 1330, leaving by his 1st wife: Sir WILLIAM de HARCOURT.3
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 222
2. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage,Baronetage and Knightage, London, Reference: 1219
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139.2
Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt lived at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.10
Family 2 | Eleanor/Ellen La Zouche |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 7 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt7.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029015&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029011&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret de Beck: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029012&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 38-30, p. 42. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleonore La Zouche: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029016&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 7-6, p. 8. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 38-29, p. 42.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029018&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029019&tree=LEO
Eleanor/Ellen La Zouche1,2
F, #10792
Father | Eudes/Eon La Zouche of Haryngworth3,1,2,4 d. bt 28 Apr 1279 - 25 Jun 1279 |
Mother | Milicent de Cantelupe2,5 b. c 1255, d. b 7 Jan 1298 |
Last Edited | 14 Nov 2020 |
Eleanor/Ellen La Zouche married Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt, son of Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire and Margaret/Milisent Beke, in January 1306
; his 1st wife; Weis (AR7), line 38-30 says married "evidently as a child" before 1286; Leo van de Pas says m. Jan 1306; Genealogy.EU (Harcourt 7 page) says m. 1306.6,3,7,8,1,2
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 222
2. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: Page 1219
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139.1
; per Rohan 1 page: "E.S. says she was g-dau., not dau., of Eon la Zouche."2
; Weis [AR7] line line 38-30.6
; his 1st wife; Weis (AR7), line 38-30 says married "evidently as a child" before 1286; Leo van de Pas says m. Jan 1306; Genealogy.EU (Harcourt 7 page) says m. 1306.6,3,7,8,1,2
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 222
2. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: Page 1219
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139.1
; per Rohan 1 page: "E.S. says she was g-dau., not dau., of Eon la Zouche."2
; Weis [AR7] line line 38-30.6
Family | Sir John de Harcourt Knt., of Stanton Harcourt b. c 1275, d. 1330 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleonore La Zouche: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029016&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eon|Eudes La Zouche, of Ashby: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139405&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Milicent de Cantelupe: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139406&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 38-30, p. 42. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 7 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt7.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029015&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029018&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029019&tree=LEO
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire1,2,3,4
M, #10793, b. 9 December 1256, d. 1 March 1293
Father | Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt2,5,3,4 b. 1227, d. 1270 |
Mother | Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings2,3,4 |
Last Edited | 7 Nov 2020 |
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire married Margaret/Milisent Beke, daughter of John Beke Lord of Eresby, 1st (last) Lord Beke and Sarah Furnival.6,7,3,8
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire was born on 9 December 1256.6,1,4,8
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire died on 1 March 1293 at age 36.6,2,3,4,8
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire lived at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.9
; Sir RICHARD de HARCOURT, of Stanton Harcourt; m Margaret, 2nd dau of 1st and last Lord (Baron) Beke of the notional 1295 cr (see WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY, B), and d 1293, leaving an er son: Sir JOHN de HARCOURT.2
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139.4
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire was born on 9 December 1256.6,1,4,8
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire died on 1 March 1293 at age 36.6,2,3,4,8
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire lived at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.9
; Sir RICHARD de HARCOURT, of Stanton Harcourt; m Margaret, 2nd dau of 1st and last Lord (Baron) Beke of the notional 1295 cr (see WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY, B), and d 1293, leaving an er son: Sir JOHN de HARCOURT.2
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139.4
Family | Margaret/Milisent Beke |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 108, de HARCOURT 3:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 7 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt7.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029011&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029004&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 93-29, p. 90. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Willoughby de Eresby Family Page.
- [S1784] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 29 July 2005 "Re: Descendants of Sir Richard de Lucy and Rohese of Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/F9_d7JZUuk0/m/5jgR9n064yQJ) to e-mail address, 29 July 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 29 July 2005."
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 7-5, p. 8. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029014&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029015&tree=LEO
Margaret/Milisent Beke1,2,3
F, #10794
Father | John Beke Lord of Eresby, 1st (last) Lord Beke4,1,5,2,3 b. b 1230, d. bt 1303 - 1304 |
Mother | Sarah Furnival6,3 b. c 1220 |
Last Edited | 13 Nov 2020 |
Margaret/Milisent Beke married Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, son of Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings.7,1,8,3
; 2nd dau of 1st and last Lord (Baron) Beke of the notional 1295 cr (see WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY, B.)4
; Leo van de Pas cites: Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221.2 Margaret/Milisent Beke was also known as Margaret de Beke.8 Margaret/Milisent Beke was also known as Margaret de Beck.2
; Weis [AR] 93-29.7
; 2nd dau of 1st and last Lord (Baron) Beke of the notional 1295 cr (see WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY, B.)4
; Leo van de Pas cites: Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221.2 Margaret/Milisent Beke was also known as Margaret de Beke.8 Margaret/Milisent Beke was also known as Margaret de Beck.2
; Weis [AR] 93-29.7
Family | Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire b. 9 Dec 1256, d. 1 Mar 1293 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Willoughby de Eresby Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret de Beck: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029012&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1784] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 29 July 2005 "Re: Descendants of Sir Richard de Lucy and Rohese of Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/F9_d7JZUuk0/m/5jgR9n064yQJ) to e-mail address, 29 July 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 29 July 2005."
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page.
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, ABeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 38. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I09719
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 93-29, p. 90. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 7 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt7.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029014&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029015&tree=LEO
John Beke Lord of Eresby, 1st (last) Lord Beke1,2
M, #10795, b. before 1230, d. between 1303 and 1304
Father | Walter de Beke Lord of Eresby3,2 b. c 1190 |
Mother | Eve (Eva) de Grey4,2,3 b. c 1200 |
Reference | EDV22 |
Last Edited | 3 Nov 2020 |
John Beke Lord of Eresby, 1st (last) Lord Beke married Sarah Furnival, daughter of Sir Thomas de Furnivalle of Sheffield, Yorkshire and Bertha de Ferrers.5,6
John Beke Lord of Eresby, 1st (last) Lord Beke was born before 1230 at Eresby, Lincolnshire, England.6 He was born before 1230.2
John Beke Lord of Eresby, 1st (last) Lord Beke died between 1303 and 1304.7,2,3,6
; JOHN BEKE, 1st and last LORD (Baron) BEKE (E), so cr 24 June 1295 (according to later doctrine) by writ of summons to Parl, of Eresby; b by 1230; dspms 1303-04, when any barony cr by the writ of summons must be deemed by later doctrine to have fallen into abeyance between his daus.2 EDV-22 GKJ-23. He was 1st and last Lord (Baron) Beke of the notional 1295 cr (see WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY, B) in 1295.1,3
John Beke Lord of Eresby, 1st (last) Lord Beke was born before 1230 at Eresby, Lincolnshire, England.6 He was born before 1230.2
John Beke Lord of Eresby, 1st (last) Lord Beke died between 1303 and 1304.7,2,3,6
; JOHN BEKE, 1st and last LORD (Baron) BEKE (E), so cr 24 June 1295 (according to later doctrine) by writ of summons to Parl, of Eresby; b by 1230; dspms 1303-04, when any barony cr by the writ of summons must be deemed by later doctrine to have fallen into abeyance between his daus.2 EDV-22 GKJ-23. He was 1st and last Lord (Baron) Beke of the notional 1295 cr (see WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY, B) in 1295.1,3
Family | Sarah Furnival b. c 1220 |
Children |
Citations
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Willoughby de Eresby Family Page.
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, ABeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 38. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S792] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson, Susan Johanson (unknown location), downloaded updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I12316
- [S792] e-mail address, updated 29 June 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I09722
- [S1784] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 29 July 2005 "Re: Descendants of Sir Richard de Lucy and Rohese of Boulogne"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/F9_d7JZUuk0/m/5jgR9n064yQJ) to e-mail address, 29 July 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 29 July 2005."
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 93-29, p. 90. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret de Beck: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029012&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
Janet Fleming1,2
F, #10796
Father | Sir David Fleming of Biggar and Cumbernauld3,2,4 d. a 1388 |
Mother | Jean Barclay3,2 |
Last Edited | 19 Aug 2019 |
Janet Fleming married Sir William de Seton Lord of Seton, son of Alan de Wyntoun and Margaret de Seton of Seton.1,5,6
Reference: van de Pas cites: Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938. Page 921.2
Reference: van de Pas cites: Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938. Page 921.2
Family | Sir William de Seton Lord of Seton d. b Mar 1410 |
Children |
Citations
- [S2022] Stirnet Genealogy, online http://www.stirnet.com/, Seton 02 - Families covered: Seton of Meldrum, Seton of Seton, Seton of Touch
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ss4as/seton02.htm. Hereinafter cited as Stirnet Genealogy. - [S90] 1880 Federal Census, 1880 Census TX, Tarrant Co., Janet Fleming: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046328&tree=LEO
- [S2022] Stirnet Genealogy, online http://www.stirnet.com/, Fleming01 - Families covered: Fleming of Biggar, Fleming of Boghall, Fleming of Bord, Fleming of Cumbernauld, Fleming of Wigtown
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ff/fleming01.htm#bigr - [S90] 1880 Federal Census, 1880 Census TX, Tarrant Co., Sir David Fleming, of Biggar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00437057&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William de Seton, Lord of Seton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046327&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Janet Fleming: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046328&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Alexander Seton, of That Ilk: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046189&tree=LEO
Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt1,2,3,4
M, #10797, b. 1227, d. 1270
Father | Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall5,6,2,3 b. c 1202, d. 1258 |
Mother | Arabella/Orabella de Quincy5,7,2,3 |
Reference | GAV23 GKJ23 |
Last Edited | 22 Mar 2009 |
Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt was born in 1227.2,3,4 He married Alice La Zouche, daughter of Roger I La Zouche and Margaret Bisset, in January 1250
; his 1st wife.8,9,10,5,2,3,4,11,12 Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt married Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings, daughter of Sir Henry de Hastings Knt., of Ashill, co. Norfolk and Ada de Huntingdon, in February 1256
; his 2nd wife.13,5,2,3,4,14
Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt died in 1270.9,1,2,3,4,12
Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt lived at Naylston, Leicestershire, England.15 GAV-23 GKJ-23.
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139
2. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221.3
Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt lived at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.15
; Weis (AR7) line 93-28.13
; his 1st wife.8,9,10,5,2,3,4,11,12 Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt married Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings, daughter of Sir Henry de Hastings Knt., of Ashill, co. Norfolk and Ada de Huntingdon, in February 1256
; his 2nd wife.13,5,2,3,4,14
Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt died in 1270.9,1,2,3,4,12
Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt lived at Naylston, Leicestershire, England.15 GAV-23 GKJ-23.
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139
2. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221.3
Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt lived at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.15
; Weis (AR7) line 93-28.13
Family 1 | Alice La Zouche d. 1256 |
Children |
|
Family 2 | Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 108, de HARCOURT 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 1 page (Harcourt family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029004&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 7 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt7.html
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029002&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arabella de Quincy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029003&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 56-29, p. 60. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 111-3, p. 145. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Zouche Family Page.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice La Zouche: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029005&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 93-28, p. 90.
- [S2292] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 13 Dec 2008: "Hastings Family Pedigree"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Dec 2008. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 13 Dec 2008."
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 7-4, p. 8.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arabella Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029009&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029007&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029011&tree=LEO
Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings1,2,3,4
F, #10798
Father | Sir Henry de Hastings Knt., of Ashill, co. Norfolk5,3,4 b. c 1205, d. b 9 Aug 1250 |
Mother | Ada de Huntingdon5,6,7,3,4 d. bt 2 Nov 1241 - 1242 |
Last Edited | 7 Nov 2020 |
Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings married Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, son of Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall and Arabella/Orabella de Quincy, in February 1256
; his 2nd wife.8,5,9,10,11,4 Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings married Robert de Frankeville before 1282
; her 2nd husband.4
; Leo van de Pas cites: Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221.3
.8 Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings was living in 1295.4
; his 2nd wife.8,5,9,10,11,4 Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings married Robert de Frankeville before 1282
; her 2nd husband.4
; Leo van de Pas cites: Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221.3
.8 Hillary (Hillaria, Eleanor) de Hastings was living in 1295.4
Family 1 | Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt b. 1227, d. 1270 |
Child |
|
Family 2 | Robert de Frankeville d. b 1295 |
Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 108, de HARCOURT 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 110, HASTINGS 2:ii.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleonore/Hillaria Hastings: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029006&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2292] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 13 Dec 2008: "Hastings Family Pedigree"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Dec 2008. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 13 Dec 2008."
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ada of Huntingdon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027703&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 93-28, p. 90. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 1 page (Harcourt family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029004&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 7 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt7.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029011&tree=LEO
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall1,2,3,4,5
M, #10799, b. circa 1202, d. 1258
Father | Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt3,4,6,5 d. 6 Apr 1223 |
Mother | Alice Noel3,4,7,5 |
Reference | GAV24 GKJ24 |
Last Edited | 29 Apr 2006 |
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall was born circa 1202.4,5 He married Arabella/Orabella de Quincy, daughter of Saher IV de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester and Margaret/Marguerite 'fitzPernel' de Beaumont, before 1219.8,9,1,2,3,4,5,10
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall died in 1258.9,1,3,4,5
; Sir RICHARD de HARCOURT, of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall; m Arabella, dau of 1st Earl of Winchester of the cr made c Feb 1206/7 (see WINCHESTER, M, preliminary remarks), thus acquiring the Manor of Bosworth, and d 1258, leaving an er son: Sir WILLIAM de HARCOURT.3 GAV-24 GKJ-24.
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139
2. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221.5
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall lived at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.9
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall lived at Bosworth, Leicestershire, England.9
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall died in 1258.9,1,3,4,5
; Sir RICHARD de HARCOURT, of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall; m Arabella, dau of 1st Earl of Winchester of the cr made c Feb 1206/7 (see WINCHESTER, M, preliminary remarks), thus acquiring the Manor of Bosworth, and d 1258, leaving an er son: Sir WILLIAM de HARCOURT.3 GAV-24 GKJ-24.
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: X 139
2. Histoire et Genealogie de la Maison de Harcourt 1974, Georges Martin, Reference: 221.5
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall lived at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.9
Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall lived at Bosworth, Leicestershire, England.9
Family | Arabella/Orabella de Quincy |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 107-108, de HARCOURT 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 210, de QUINCY 3:iv.
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Harcourt 1 page (Harcourt family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/harcourt/harcourt1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029002&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028893&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice Noël: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028997&tree=LEO
- [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 111-2, p. 145. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arabella de Quincy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029003&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029004&tree=LEO
Sir Henry de Hastings Knt., of Ashill, co. Norfolk1,2
M, #10800, b. circa 1205, d. before 9 August 1250
Father | Sir William de Hastings Knt.2 b. c 1175, d. 1224 |
Mother | Margaret Bigod2 |
Reference | GAV22 EDV20 |
Last Edited | 22 Mar 2009 |
Sir Henry de Hastings Knt., of Ashill, co. Norfolk was born circa 1205.2 He married Ada de Huntingdon, daughter of David (?) Earl of Huntingdon and Maud/Matilda (?) of Chester, Countess of Chester (suo jure), Countess of Huntingdon, between 1224 and 7 June 1237.3,4,1,5,6,7,8,2
Sir Henry de Hastings Knt., of Ashill, co. Norfolk died before 9 August 1250.3,4,1,6,2
GAV-22 EDV-20 GKJ-24. He was King's steward, hereditary steward of the Abey of Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk between 1226 and 1228.2
Sir Henry de Hastings Knt., of Ashill, co. Norfolk died before 9 August 1250.3,4,1,6,2
GAV-22 EDV-20 GKJ-24. He was King's steward, hereditary steward of the Abey of Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk between 1226 and 1228.2
Family | Ada de Huntingdon d. bt 2 Nov 1241 - 1242 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 110, HASTINGS 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S2292] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 13 Dec 2008: "Hastings Family Pedigree"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 13 Dec 2008. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 13 Dec 2008."
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 93-27, p. 90. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line -3, p. 8. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Hastings Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (New York, NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 12: Scotland: Kings until the accession of Robert Bruce. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ada of Huntingdon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027703&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleonore/Hillaria Hastings: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029006&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henry de Hastings: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140345&tree=LEO