Paule (?) du Maine1,2

F, #4831, d. 1095
FatherHeribert I "Eveille-Chien" (?) Comte du Maine b. c 985, d. 13 Apr 1036; see notes from The Henry Project1,3,4,5,2,6
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited17 Nov 2020
     Paule (?) du Maine married Jean de Beaugency Seigneur de La Flèche, son of Lancelin 1er (Landry) de Beaugency seigneur de Beaugency et de la Flèche.7,8,2,9

Paule (?) du Maine was buried in 1095 at Collégiale Saint-Pierre-la-Cour, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
     DEATH     1095, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
     Children:
** Élie I du Maine, son Elias would succeed his first cousin Hugh V as Count of Maine
** (Helias), d. 11 July 1110, lord of La Flèche and count of Maine.
** Gosbert, a monk
** Enoch, a monk
** Geoffroy
** Lancelin
** Miles
** Guillaume
     Family Members
     Parents
      Herbert I du Maine unknown–1035
     Spouse
      Jean de la Fleche de Beaugency 1030–1097
     Siblings
      Hugues IV du Maine unknown–1051
     Children
      Élie I du Maine unknown–1110
     BURIAL     Collégiale Saint-Pierre-la-Cour, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 5 Feb 2016
     Find A Grave Memorial 157850263.10
Paule (?) du Maine died in 1095 at Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France (now).10
     ; Racines et Histoire (Beaugency) says Jean married "Herberge d'Este" (b ca 1072 d bef 1110). However, The Henry Project and Genelaogics both say he married Pauline du Maine.

Per Racines et Histoire (BEaugency): "Jean de Beaugency dit «de La Flèche» ° ~1047 + avant 1097 (1095 ?) seigneur de La Flèche (1060)
     ép. ~1075/85 Herberge d’Este dite «du Maine» ° ~1072 + avant 1110 (1109 ?) (fille d’Ugo V d’Este et d’Heria de Hauteville.)11,8,12 "

; Per Med Lands:
     "JEAN de la Flèche, son of LANCELIN [I] de Baugency & his wife --- (-[1097], bur Angers, Saint-Aubin). Son of Lancelin according to Orderic Vitalis, who says that his mother was the daughter of the Comte du Maine[175], which appears to result from confusion with his wife. "Domna Agnes comitissa" [wife of Geoffroy II "Martel" Comte d´Anjou] bought "ecclesiam Sancti-Beati…juxta…castrum Vindocini" from "Lancelino dominico vasso de castro Balgentiaco" and "apud Castrum-Dunum alteram ecclesiam" from "filiis eiusdem Lancelino…Johanne et Lancelino" by charter dated to before 1040[176]. A charter dated 13 Feb 1087 records donations to Angers Saint-Aubin by "Johannes de Fissa", with the consent of "Helias filius eius"[177]. A charter dated to [1097] records that "Johannes de Fissa" became a monk after falling ill at Château-Gonthier and died soon after[178]. A charter dated to [1097] records confirmation of donations to Angers Saint-Aubin by "Elias…filius eius…et frater eius Gaufridus" after the burial of their father[179].
     "m PAULE du Maine, daughter of HERIBERT [I] "Eveille-chien" Comte du Maine & his wife --- ([1025/35]-). Orderic Vitalis records that "Hugo filius Herberti" and his wife “Bertam ipsius relictam, Tedbaldi Blesensium comitis sororem” had “filium...Herbertum et tres filias”, of whom the third married “Johanni domino castri...Flecchia” (which would be difficult to sustain chronologically and confuses the children of Hugues [IV] Comte du Maine with his sisters) and had three children “Goisbertum, Heliam et Enoch”[180]. Her father is named by Orderic Vitalis, who also records her marriage to "Lancelin de Beaugency"[181]. However, in another passage the same source names "Helias, Johannis et Paulæ filius, Hugonis Cenomannorum consulis consobrinus"[182]. From a chronological point of view, it is more likely that Jean, son of Lancelin de Baugency, was the husband of Paule du Maine."
Med Lands cites:
[175] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. IV, Book VIII, p. 197.
[176] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome I, XXII, p. 42.
[177] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome II, DCCXLVI, p. 237.
[178] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome II, DCCXLVIII, p. 239.
[179] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome II, DCCXLIX, p. 240.
[180] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber IV, XII, p. 252.
[181] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. IV, Book VIII, p. 197.
[182] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. II, Book IV, p. 305.13


; NB: Racines et Histoire (Maine and Beaugency) both say that Paule married Lancelin I de Beaugency. However, The Henry Project, Genealogics and Med Lands argue that she in fact m. Lancelin's son, Jean de Beaugency.
Conclusion: I have chosen to follow The Henry Project, Genealogics and Med Lands. GA Vaut.14,15,4,16,13,17,18

; This is the same person as ”Paula” at the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.2 GAV-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 692.15

; Per Med Lands:
     "PAULE du Maine ([1025/35]-). Orderic Vitalis records that "Hugo filius Herberti" and his wife “Bertam ipsius relictam, Tedbaldi Blesensium comitis sororem” had “filium...Herbertum et tres filias”, of whom the third married “Johanni domino castri...Flecchia” (which would be difficult to sustain chronologically and confuses the children of Hugues [IV] Comte du Maine with his sisters) and had three children “Goisbertum, Heliam et Enoch”[169]. Her father is named by Orderic Vitalis, who also records her marriage to "Lancelin de Beaugency"[170]. However, in another passage the same source names "Helias, Johannis et Paulæ filius, Hugonis Cenomannorum consulis consobrinus"[171]. From a chronological point of view, it is more likely that Jean, son of Lancelin de Baugency, was the husband of Paule du Maine.
     "m JEAN de la Flèche, son of LANCELIN de Baugency & his wife --- (-before [1097]), bur Angers, Saint-Aubin)."
Med Lands cites:
[169] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber IV, XII, p. 252.
[170] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. IV, Book VIII, p. 197.
[171] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. II, Book IV, p. 305.17

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Paule du Maine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029099&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Paula: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/paula000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Herbert I Eveille-Chien: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177505&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes & vicomtes du Maine, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Maine.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Herbert I "Éveille-Chien" ("Wake-Dog") (Herbertus Evigilans Canem): https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herbe000.htm
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm#HerbertIMainedied1032B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Paule du Maine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029107&tree=LEO
  8. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/john0000.htm
  9. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Jean de La Flèche (Johannes de Fissa): https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/john0000.htm
  10. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 12 October 2019), memorial page for Paula du Maine (unknown–1095), Find A Grave Memorial no. 157850263, citing Collégiale Saint-Pierre-la-Cour, Le Mans, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157850263/paula-du_maine. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029107&tree=LEO
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Beaugency, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Beaugency.pdf
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm#JeanFlechedied1097
  14. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Paula: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/paula000.htm
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Paule du Maine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029099&tree=LEO
  16. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Beaugency - ancien Boisgency, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Beaugency.pdf
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm#PauleMJeanFlechedied1097
  18. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 4 June 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  19. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Hélie (Helias) de la Flèche: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/helia000.htm

Gervais II de Château-du-Loir seigneur de Château-du-Loir1,2,3

M, #4832, b. 1043, d. between 1095 and 1097
FatherRobert I dit Brochard de Château-du-Loir seigneur de Château-du-Loir1,2,4,5,3 d. bt Sep 1067 - Sep 1068
MotherElisabeth (?)1,6,7,4,3 d. c 1095
ReferenceGAV25 EDV26
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Gervais II de Château-du-Loir seigneur de Château-du-Loir was born in 1043 at Chateau-du-Loir, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France (now).8 He married Éremburge, (?), daughter of Mathilde (?),
;
His 1st wife (per The Henry Project.)1,9,10,11 Gervais II de Château-du-Loir seigneur de Château-du-Loir married Gersende (?) before 1097
;
His 2nd wife (per The Henry Project). The Henry Project cites: Cart. Château-du-Loir = Eugène Vallée, Cartulaire de Château-du-Loir (Archives Historiques du Maine 6, Le Mans, 1905). 32-3.3
Gervais II de Château-du-Loir seigneur de Château-du-Loir died between 1095 and 1097 at Departement de la Loire, Rhône-Alpes, France (now).1,8,3
Gervais II de Château-du-Loir seigneur de Château-du-Loir was buried between 1095 and 1097 at Fontevraud Abbey (his body), Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1043, Chateau-du-Loir, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
     DEATH     1095 (aged 51–52), Departement de la Loire, Rhône-Alpes, France
     Family Members
     Spouse
          Erembourge de Chateau du Loire 1040–1092
     Children
          Matilde de Chateau du Loire 1060–1108
     BURIAL     Fontevraud Abbey, Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 6 Feb 2016
     Find A Grave Memorial 157881776
     SPONSORED BY Christian H. F. Riley.8
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 68.12

; This is the same person as ”Gervaise II de Château-du-Loir” at The Henry Project.3 GAV-25 EDV-26 GKJ-26.

; Per Med Lands:
     " GERVAIS [II] de Château-du-Loir ([1035/45][105]-[1095/97]). Son of "Rodberti cognomento Brochardi" according to Orderic Vitalis[106]. "Gervais de Chasteau-du-Loir" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pierre-de-la-Cour du Mans for the health of his father Robert, Aymar his grandfather and archbishop Gervais his uncle by charter dated to [1055/65][107]. "Gervasius homo milicie seculari" donated the church of Saint-Guingalois "in pago Cenomannensi in Castello Ledi" to Marmoutier by charter dated [Sep 1067/23 Sep 1068], naming "pater meus Rotbertus et mater meus Elisabeth et uxor mea Aremburgis necnon et avus meus Amelinus et avia mea Hildeburgis et Gervasius Remorum archiepiscopus" with the consent of "matris mee omniumque fratrum meorum" and listing the monetary contributions of "matreque meu et fratres mei…mater mea Elisabet…Adam…Rotbertus…Gervasius clericus…"[108]. He succeeded his uncle as Seigneur de Château-du-Loir. "Domnus Gervasius" granted customs to “apud Sarciacum” to Château-du-Loir, at the request of “uxoris sue Garsendis”, by charter dated to [1095/97], subscribed by “Gervasius, Garsendis...”[109].
     "m firstly (before [Sep 1067/23 Sep 1068]) EREMBURGE, daughter of --- & his wife Mathilde (-4 Jun [1085/95]). "Gervasius homo milicie seculari" donated the church of Saint-Guingalois "in pago Cenomannensi in Castello Ledi" to Marmoutier by charter dated [Sep 1067/23 Sep 1068], naming "pater meus Rotbertus et mater meus Elisabeth et uxor mea Aremburgis necnon et avus meus Amelinus et avia mea Hildeburgis et Gervasius Remorum archiepiscopus" with the consent of "matris mee omniumque fratrum meorum" and listing the monetary contributions of "matreque meu et fratres mei…mater mea Elisabet…Adam…Rotbertus…Gervasius clericus…"[110]. "Gervasius de Castello Lit et Eremburgis uxor ipsius" made a donation to Saint-Vincent by charter dated 2 Jun [1085/95] which declares that "Mathildis mater ipsius Eremburgis" was present and specifies that Eremburgis was on her death bed[111]. "Gener suus...Cenomanice civitatis Helyas" confirmed a donation made to Saint-Guingalois “in castro...Ledi fondato” by “supradicti castri dominum Gervasium” to Château-du-Loir on the death of “uxor sua Eremburgis” by charter dated to [1097], subscribed by “...Garsendis uxor eiusdem Gervasii...”[112].
     "m secondly GARSENDE, daughter of --- (-after [1097]). "Domnus Gervasius" granted customs to “apud Sarciacum” to Château-du-Loir, at the request of “uxoris sue Garsendis”, by charter dated to [1095/97], subscribed by “Gervasius, Garsendis...”[113]. "Gener suus...Cenomanice civitatis Helyas" confirmed a donation made to Saint-Guingalois “in castro...Ledi fondato” by “supradicti castri dominum Gervasium” to Château-du-Loir on the death of “uxor sua Eremburgis” by charter dated to [1097], subscribed by “...Garsendis uxor eiusdem Gervasii...”[114]."
Med Lands cites:
[105] Birth date range estimated on the basis of the estimated date of his first marriage and the known date of birth of his paternal uncle.
[106] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. V, Book X, p. 229.
[107] Le Mans Saint-Pierre-de-la-Cour (1907), CCVII, Supplement, p. 293.
[108] Château-du-Loir 27, p. 13.
[109] Château-du-Loir, 65, p. 32.
[110] Château-du-Loir 27, p. 13.
[111] Château-du-Loir 57, p. 29.
[112] Château-du-Loir, 66, p. 32.
[113] Château-du-Loir, 65, p. 32.
[114] Château-du-Loir, 66, p. 32.
[115] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. V, Book X, p. 229.4

Family 2

Gersende (?)

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gervais: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141488&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bellême.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Gervaise II de Château-du-Loir: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gerva000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#RobertChateauLoirdied1065B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert dit Brochard de Château-du-Loir: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141486&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille de Bellême Seigneurs d’Alençon & Château-Gontier, & Château-Renaud, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Belleme.pdf
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141487&tree=LEO
  8. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 22 November 2019), memorial page for Gervais II de Château-du-Loir (1043–1095), Find A Grave Memorial no. 157881776, citing Fontevraud Abbey, Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157881776/gervais_ii-de_ch_teau_du_loir. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eremburge: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141489&tree=LEO
  10. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/gerva000.htm
  11. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Éremburge: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/eremb001.htm
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gervais: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141488&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilda: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029109&tree=LEO
  14. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Mathilde de Château-du-Loir: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/mathi001.htm

Éremburge, (?)1,2

F, #4833, b. circa 1040, d. 1092
MotherMathilde (?)3,2,4
ReferenceGAV25 EDV26
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Éremburge, (?) was born circa 1040 at Chateau-du-Loir, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France (now).5 She married Gervais II de Château-du-Loir seigneur de Château-du-Loir, son of Robert I dit Brochard de Château-du-Loir seigneur de Château-du-Loir and Elisabeth (?),
;
His 1st wife (per The Henry Project.)6,1,7,2
Éremburge, (?) died in 1092 at Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France.5
Éremburge, (?) was buried in 1092 at Fontevraud Abbey (his body), Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1040, Chateau-du-Loir, Departement de la Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
     DEATH     1092 (aged 51–52), Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France
     Family Members
     Spouse
          Gervais II de Château-du-Loir 1043–1095
     Children
          Matilde de Chateau du Loire 1060–1108
     BURIAL     Fontevraud Abbey, Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 6 Feb 2016
     Find A Grave Memorial 157882095
     SPONSORED BY Christian H. F. Riley.8
      ; Per Med Lands:
     " GERVAIS [II] de Château-du-Loir ([1035/45][105]-[1095/97]). Son of "Rodberti cognomento Brochardi" according to Orderic Vitalis[106]. "Gervais de Chasteau-du-Loir" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pierre-de-la-Cour du Mans for the health of his father Robert, Aymar his grandfather and archbishop Gervais his uncle by charter dated to [1055/65][107]. "Gervasius homo milicie seculari" donated the church of Saint-Guingalois "in pago Cenomannensi in Castello Ledi" to Marmoutier by charter dated [Sep 1067/23 Sep 1068], naming "pater meus Rotbertus et mater meus Elisabeth et uxor mea Aremburgis necnon et avus meus Amelinus et avia mea Hildeburgis et Gervasius Remorum archiepiscopus" with the consent of "matris mee omniumque fratrum meorum" and listing the monetary contributions of "matreque meu et fratres mei…mater mea Elisabet…Adam…Rotbertus…Gervasius clericus…"[108]. He succeeded his uncle as Seigneur de Château-du-Loir. "Domnus Gervasius" granted customs to “apud Sarciacum” to Château-du-Loir, at the request of “uxoris sue Garsendis”, by charter dated to [1095/97], subscribed by “Gervasius, Garsendis...”[109].
     "m firstly (before [Sep 1067/23 Sep 1068]) EREMBURGE, daughter of --- & his wife Mathilde (-4 Jun [1085/95]). "Gervasius homo milicie seculari" donated the church of Saint-Guingalois "in pago Cenomannensi in Castello Ledi" to Marmoutier by charter dated [Sep 1067/23 Sep 1068], naming "pater meus Rotbertus et mater meus Elisabeth et uxor mea Aremburgis necnon et avus meus Amelinus et avia mea Hildeburgis et Gervasius Remorum archiepiscopus" with the consent of "matris mee omniumque fratrum meorum" and listing the monetary contributions of "matreque meu et fratres mei…mater mea Elisabet…Adam…Rotbertus…Gervasius clericus…"[110]. "Gervasius de Castello Lit et Eremburgis uxor ipsius" made a donation to Saint-Vincent by charter dated 2 Jun [1085/95] which declares that "Mathildis mater ipsius Eremburgis" was present and specifies that Eremburgis was on her death bed[111]. "Gener suus...Cenomanice civitatis Helyas" confirmed a donation made to Saint-Guingalois “in castro...Ledi fondato” by “supradicti castri dominum Gervasium” to Château-du-Loir on the death of “uxor sua Eremburgis” by charter dated to [1097], subscribed by “...Garsendis uxor eiusdem Gervasii...”[112].
     "m secondly GARSENDE, daughter of --- (-after [1097]). "Domnus Gervasius" granted customs to “apud Sarciacum” to Château-du-Loir, at the request of “uxoris sue Garsendis”, by charter dated to [1095/97], subscribed by “Gervasius, Garsendis...”[113]. "Gener suus...Cenomanice civitatis Helyas" confirmed a donation made to Saint-Guingalois “in castro...Ledi fondato” by “supradicti castri dominum Gervasium” to Château-du-Loir on the death of “uxor sua Eremburgis” by charter dated to [1097], subscribed by “...Garsendis uxor eiusdem Gervasii...”[114]."
Med Lands cites:
[105] Birth date range estimated on the basis of the estimated date of his first marriage and the known date of birth of his paternal uncle.
[106] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. V, Book X, p. 229.
[107] Le Mans Saint-Pierre-de-la-Cour (1907), CCVII, Supplement, p. 293.
[108] Château-du-Loir 27, p. 13.
[109] Château-du-Loir, 65, p. 32.
[110] Château-du-Loir 27, p. 13.
[111] Château-du-Loir 57, p. 29.
[112] Château-du-Loir, 66, p. 32.
[113] Château-du-Loir, 65, p. 32.
[114] Château-du-Loir, 66, p. 32.
[115] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. V, Book X, p. 229.9


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 68.8

; This is the same person as ”Éremburge” at The Henry Project.2 GAV25 EDV-26 GKJ-26.

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eremburge: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141489&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Éremburge: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/eremb001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00561410&tree=LEO
  4. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Mathilde (mother-in-law of Gervaise II de Château-du-Loir): https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/mathi002.htm
  5. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 22 November 2019), memorial page for Erembourge de Chateau du Loire (1040–1092), Find A Grave Memorial no. 157882095, citing Fontevraud Abbey, Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157882095/erembourge-de_chateau_du_loire. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gervais: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141488&tree=LEO
  7. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/gerva000.htm
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eremburge: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141489&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#RobertChateauLoirdied1065B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilda: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029109&tree=LEO
  11. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Mathilde de Château-du-Loir: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/mathi001.htm

Geoffroy V "Le Barbu" (?) Comte d'Anjou et de Gatinais1,2

M, #4834, b. circa 1040, d. between 1096 and 1097
FatherGeoffroy II/IV «Ferréol» (?) Cte de Château-Landon et de Beaumont-en-Gâtinais, Comte du Gâtinas1,2,3,4,5 b. c 1004, d. bt 30 Apr 1043 - 1 Apr 1046
MotherErmengarde/Blanche (?) Countess of Anjou, Duchess of Burgundy1,2,6,7 b. c 1018, d. 18 Mar 1076
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Geoffroy V "Le Barbu" (?) Comte d'Anjou et de Gatinais was born circa 1040.1,2,8 He married Julienne de Langeais before 1060.1,2

Geoffroy V "Le Barbu" (?) Comte d'Anjou et de Gatinais died between 1096 and 1097.1,2,8
      ; See Wikipedia article.8 He was Count of Anjou between 1060 and 1068.1,8

Family

Julienne de Langeais d. a 7 Aug 1067

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 2 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou2.html#Is
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffrey Ferréol de Château-Landon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020217&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#GeoffroyIIGatinaisdied1043B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Geoffroy (III): https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff002.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde d'Anjou: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020216&tree=LEO
  7. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Ermengarde d'Anjou: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/ermen001.htm
  8. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_III,_Count_of_Anjou. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.

Alberade (?) de Lorraine1,2,3

F, #4835, b. between 929 and 930, d. 15 March 973
FatherGiselbert II (?) Duc de Lorraine, Graf im Maasgau1,2,3,4,5,6 b. c 880, d. 2 Oct 939
MotherGerberga (?) von Sachsen1,2,7,8,5,9 b. bt 913 - 914, d. 5 May 984
ReferenceGAV27 EDV28
Last Edited19 Aug 2020
     Alberade (?) de Lorraine was born between 929 and 930 at Lorraine, France.10,11,12,3 She married Renaud/Ragenold/Ragnvald (?) comte de Roucy & Rheims, son of Rognvald (?), circa 945 at France.2,13,14,1,3

Alberade (?) de Lorraine died on 15 March 973 at France (now).15
Alberade (?) de Lorraine was buried after 15 March 973 at Saint Remi Badsilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     930, Netherlands
     DEATH     15 Mar 973 (aged 42–43), France
     Alberade was the daughter of Giselbert (Gilbert) Count of Hainault, Duke of Lorraine and Gerberga of Saxony, the granddaughter of Regnier I Count of Hainault and Hersent of France, Heinrich "The Fowler" King of the Germans and Mathilda of Ringleheim. She was a descendant of The Holy Roman Emperors Lothiar and Charles the Bald, and Charlemagne. She was born about 930 and died in 973.
     Albreda was the wife of Renauld de Roucy, Count of Roucy, Vicomte of Rheims and son of the Viking Rognvald. They were married circa 945 and had the following children:
* Gilbert De Roucy
* Ermetrude de Roucy, wife of Othon Guillaume de Bourgogne
* Unknown daughter, wife of Fromond of Sens
* Bruno, Bishop of Langres
     Family Members
     Parents
      Gilbert Of Lorraine
      Gerberga of Saxony 913–969
     Spouse
      Renaud de Roucy unknown–967
     Siblings
      Gerberge of Lorraine
     Half Siblings
      Charles Of Lower Lorraine
      Lothaire 941–986
      Mathilde de France 943–992
     Children
      Gilbert de Roucy unknown–1000
      Ermentrude De Roucy Bourgogne unknown–1005
     BURIAL     Saint Remi Basilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
     Maintained by: Anne Shurtleff Stevens
     Originally Created by: Jerry Ferren
     Added: 23 Mar 2011
     Find A Grave Memorial 67316059.15
     GAV-27 EDV-28 GKJ-29.

Reference: van de Pas cites:
     1. Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried, Reference: 156
     2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III/4 675A.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brabant 1 page (Dukes of Brabant and Landgraves of Hesse): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brabant/brabant1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alverade de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020518&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020488&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Giselbertdied939. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gisel101.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga von Sachsen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020067&tree=LEO
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Ducs de Brabant grafen im Maasgau, comtes de Louvain (Leuven), seigneurs de Perwez et Lovain(e) (Angleterre), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf
  9. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gerbe000.htm
  10. [S602] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. 14, Ed. 1, Family #2699 (n.p.: Release date: October 20, 1997, unknown publish date).
  11. [S619] Inc. Br²derbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 27 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 6, Ed. 1, Family #6-1556 (n.p.: Release date: August 22, 1996, unknown publish date).
  12. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ragenold|Renaud: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020517&tree=LEO
  14. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 151-20, p. 133. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  15. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 07 October 2019), memorial page for Alberade de Roucy (930–15 Mar 973), Find A Grave Memorial no. 67316059, citing Saint Remi Basilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France ; Maintained by Anne Shurtleff Stevens (contributor 46947920), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/67316059/alberade-de-roucy. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  16. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de ROUCY & comtes de Reims, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Roucy.pdf
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  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#Ermentrudedied10021005
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrud/Irmgard de Roucy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020659&tree=LEO
  20. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/ermen101.htm
  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselbert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020519&tree=LEO

Giselbert II (?) Duc de Lorraine, Graf im Maasgau1,2,3,4,5

M, #4836, b. circa 880, d. 2 October 939
FatherReginar/Regnier I "Langhals" (?) graf im Hennegau, duc de Lotharingie1,2,3,4,5 b. c 850, d. bt 25 Oct 915 - 19 Jan 916
MotherAlberade (?) of Mons ()1,6,2,3,4,5 b. c 870, d. 916
ReferenceGAV28 EDV29
Last Edited19 Aug 2020
     Giselbert II (?) Duc de Lorraine, Graf im Maasgau was born circa 880 at Lorraine, France (now); Genealogics says b. 888; Med Lands says b. 885/900; Weis says b. ca 880; Racines et Histoire (Brabant) says b. ca 880.7,8,2,4,9,3 He married Gerberga (?) von Sachsen, daughter of Heinrich I "der Vogelsteller/The Fowler/l'Oiseleur" (?) Emperor of Germany, Duke of Saxony, Brunswick and Zelle and Saint Mathilde von Ringelheim Countess von Ringelheim, Queen of Germany, between 928 and 929
;
Her 1st husband. Genealogics says m. 928; Med Lands says m. 928/9; Racines et Histoire (Brabant) says m. 928/9.10,7,1,11,3,12,13,2,4,5,14
Giselbert II (?) Duc de Lorraine, Graf im Maasgau died on 2 October 939 at Rhine River, Andernach, andkreis Mayen-Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany (now); drowned 939 attempting to ford the Rhine in armour after his defeat nr Andernach while in rebellion against his bro-in-law OTTO THE GREAT (later HOLY ROMAN EMPEROR.)15,7,1,2,16,9,4,3,5
      ; Per Genealogics:
     “Giselbert, duke of Lorraine, was born about 890, the son of Reginar I, duke of Lorraine, count in Hainault, and his wife Alberade. He was the duke of Lorraine until 939. The beginning of the reign of Giselbert is not clear. A _dux Lotharingiae_ is mentioned in 910 and this may have been Giselbert. In 911 Lotharingia sided with Charles III 'the Simple', king of France, who was deposed as king of France in 922 by Robert I, but remained king in Lotharingia, from where he tried to reconquer West Francia until being imprisoned in 923.
     “In 925 Giselbert swore fealty to Emperor Heinrich I 'the Fowler' as duke of Lotharingia. In 928 he married Gerberga, daughter of Heinrich and Mathilde von Ingelheim, by whom he had two daughters, Alverade and Gerberga, who would have progeny, and a son Heinrich who died young. For whatever reason, Giselbert rebelled when Emperor Heinrich died in 936 and changed allegiance to the king of France, where the king had less authority. Giselbert managed to be practically independent for three years until he was defeated by the army of Heinrich's son Otto I 'the Great' in 939 at the Battle of Andernach. Giselbert was made prisoner and succeeded in fleeing, but he drowned on 2 October 939 while trying to cross the Rhine. Lorraine was given to Otto's younger brother Heinrich I, Herzog von Bayern.
     “Shortly thereafter, Giselbert's widow Gerberga married Louis IV 'd'Outremer', king of France, with whom she had several children.”.2

; Per Burke's: "GISELBERT, DUKE OF LORRAINE; b c 890; m 929 the Saxon princess Gerberga (m 2nd LOUIS IV OF FRANCE), dau of HENRY (THE FOWLER), KING OF THE EAST FRANKS, and was drowned 939 attempting to ford the Rhine in armour after his defeat nr Andernach while in rebellion against his bro-in-law OTTO THE GREAT (later HOLY ROMAN EMPEROR)“.7

; Per Stewart:
     "Gislebert was the son of Reginar and Alberada - this is known from a charter of his wife Gerberga, on her return to Lorraine in February 968 (as the widow by then also of King Louis IV): "Gerberga...Francorum Regina...pro...remedio senioris nostri piæ memoriæ Gisleberti, suique parentum, patris scilicet et matris, Rageneri et Albradæ [_Recueil des historiens des Gaules et de la France_ volume IX p. 666, 'Reginarum diplomata' no. 5]
     "His father Reginar probably had another wife before marrying Alberada. The only direct evidence for this is an undated and possibly forged or at least miscopied charter, that could not be earlier than 887, for Saint-Dagobert de Stenay, in which a Count Reginar mentions his deceased wife Hersindis and apparently (I haven't seen the text) qualifies himself as successor to Emperor Charles (the Fat). This may have given rise to the idea that his wife had been a Carolingian heiress; but since Charles the Fat had no legitimate offspring and Charles the Bald had plenty, the paternity of Hersindis may have become speculatively (or rather, imaginatively) transferred to the latter. There is very little likelihood in my view that this could be correct, or worth discussing in Christian Settipani's book. However, there is no particular reason I can see to doubt that a lady of this name, of unknown family, was the first wife of Reginar. There would appear to be no value for a forger in the invention of such a wife merely to name her in passing.
     "Indirectly, it is probable that Reginar had another wife before Alberada: he was evidently born ca 850, occurring in an official capacity by 877, whereas his son Gislebert was apparently born as late as ca 895 - by my understanding of Richer's account he had only recently attained the age of 20 at the time of Reginar's funeral some time between August 915 and January 916, when the latter's powers were conferred on him by King Charles the Simple: "Peractisque exsequiis, Gisleberto eius filio, iam facto iuveni, paternum honorem, coram principibus qui confluxerant liberalissime accommodat", see _Historiarum libri IIII_, edited by Hartmut Hoffmann, MGH SS 38 (Hanover, 2000).
     "Most genealogists make Alberada the mother of all three known children of Reginar. Since Gislebert was her son it is likely that his younger brother was hers also, unless Reginar also had a subsequent wife (as has been suggested, though not at all convincingly to me - he is sometimes suggested as the father of Count Wigeric's wife Cunegundis, whose mother was King Louis II's daughter Ermentrudis).
     "However, I think a case can be made that the known daughter of Reginar could have been from the marriage to Hersindis. She (name unrecorded) married Berengar, ancestor of the counts of Namur. There was a notable lady named Hersindis in the following generation (living in October 949), the first wife of Eilbert of Florennes, who could well have been her daughter as conjectured by Léon Vanderkindere in _La formation territoriale des principautés belges au Moyen âge_(Brussels, 1902).
Peter Stewart“.17

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 129.2

; This is the same person as ”Giselbert” at The Henry Project.5 GAV-28 EDV-29 GKJ-30.

; This is the same person as ”Gilbert, Duke of Lorraine” at Wikipedia, as ”Gislebert de Lotharingie” at Wikipédia (FR), and as ”Giselbert von Lothringen” at Wikipedia (DE).18,19,20

; Per Med Lands:
     "GISELBERT [II] ([885/900]-drowned in the Rhine, near Andernach 2 Oct 939). Richer records that "Gisleberto eius filio" succeeded on the death of "Ragenerus vir consularis et nobilis cognomento Collo-Longus"[1484]. The Miraculæ S. Maximi names "Gisilbertus admodum iuvenis dux", in a passage dated to the early 10th century[1485]. Abbot of Stablo 915/925. On the death of Giselbert's father in [915/16], Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks refused to install Giselbert as marchio[1486]. Giselbert rebelled against King Charles III in 918 and took refuge with Heinrich Duke of Saxony (later king of Germany). Flodoard records in 920, in relation to the dispute between "Hilduinum episcopum et Richarium abbatem" relating to “episcopatu Tungrensi”, that “Gisleberto” (who at first supported the appointment of “Hilduinum” as bishop) had left “Karolo rege” and been appointed “principi” by “plurimi Lotharienses”[1487]. The Breve Chronicon Epternacense records that “Giselbertus filius eius” succeeded “Reinerus” as abbot of Echternach in 924, although the dating of this passage appears faulty[1488]. King Charles III "le Simple" restored Kloster Susteren to the abbey of Prüm by charter dated 19 Jan 916 which names "fidelium nostrorum…Widricus comes palatii, Richuuinus comes, Gislebertus, Matfridus, Beringerius comites, Theodericus comes, Reinherus comes, Erleboldus"[1489]. Giselbert rebelled against King Charles III in 918, and sought help from Heinrich of Saxony (later king of Germany). He later opposed Heinrich after his accession in Germany, and maybe planned to install himself as independent ruler in Lotharingia in 920[1490]. Richer records that Giselbert was awarded the vacant properties "Traiectum, Iuppilam, Harstalium, Marsnam, Littam, Capræmontem" after he returned to favour[1491]. Widukind records that "Isilberhtum…adolescentem" was "nobili genere ac familia antiqua natus" when Heinrich I King of Germany betrothed his daughter to him, maybe dated to [925][1492]. Flodoard's Annals record that "Berengarius" captured "Giselbertum" and only freed him after receiving "filiis Ragenarii fratris ipsius Gisleberti" as hostages, after which Giselbert ravaged the lands of "Berengarii, Ragenariique fratris sui et Isaac comitis"[1493]. The king's forces under Eberhard [Konradiner] secured Lotharingia's submission to German overlordship in 925[1494]. Abbot of St Maximin at Trier 925/934. Created dux in 928 by Heinrich I King of Germany, effectively creating him GISELBERT Duke of Lotharingia. Liutprand names him "Gislebertum Lotharingorum ducem" when recording his marriage[1495]. "Gysalbertus dux rectorque S. Traiectenses ecclesie" donated property "Gulisam…in pago [Ardunensi] in comitatu Everhardi" to Trier by charter dated 928, subscribed by "Walgeri comitis, Thiedrici comitis, Cristiani comitis, Folcoldi comitis"[1496]. "Heinricus…rex" granted property to the canons of Crespin at the request of "Gisleberti ducis" by charter dated 24 Oct 931[1497]. He took part in a campaign of pillaging along the Rhine with Eberhard ex-Duke of Franconia and Heinrich, brother of Otto I King of Germany, and was drowned[1498]. Flodoard's Annals record that "Gislebertus…dux et Otho, Isaac atque Theodericus comites" offered the French crown to Louis IV "d'Outremer" King of the West Franks in 939[1499]. Regino records that "Gisalbertus" was drowned in the Rhine in 939[1500].
     "m ([928/929]) as her first husband, GERBERGA of Germany, daughter of HEINRICH I King of Germany & his second wife Mathilde [Immedinger] (Nordhausen [913/14]-Reims 5 May 984, bur Abbaye de Reims). Richer records the marriage of "Gisleberto eius filio [Rageneri…Collo-Longus]" and "Heinrici Saxoniæ ducis filiæ Gerbergæ"[1501]. Liutprand states that the wife of "Gislebertum Lotharingorum ducem" was "regis sororem"[1502]. As her marriage to Giselbert coincided approximately with her husband being created dux, it is assumed that the marriage was arranged as part of the terms confirming Giselbert's submission to King Heinrich. Gerberga married secondly (end 939) Louis IV "d'Outremer" King of France. Flodoard names her "Gerbergam" when recording her second marriage[1503]. Her second husband gave her the Abbey of Notre-Dame de Laon in 951, taken from his mother on her second marriage. Abbess of Notre Dame de Soissons in 959[1504]. "Gerberga…Francorum regina" donated "alodo…Marsnam in comitatu Masaugo" to Reims Saint-Rémy, confirmed by "comitibus Emmone et Ansfrido", for the souls of "senioris nostri piæ memoriæ Gisleberti suique…patris…et matris Rageneri et Albradæ", by charter dated 10 Feb 968, signed by "Arnulfi comitis…Emmonis comitis, Ansfridi comitis…"[1505]."
Med Lands cites:
[1484] Richer I.XXXIV, p. 70.
[1485] Ex Sigehardi Miraculis S. Maximini 11, MGH SS IV, p. 231.
[1486] McKitterick (1983), p. 309.
[1487] Flodoard 920, MGH SS III, p. 369.
[1488] Breve Chronicon Epternacense, Veterum Scriptorum IV, col. 507.
[1489] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 159, p. 222.
[1490] Fuhrmann, H., trans. Reuter, T. (1995) Germany in the high middle ages c.1050-1200 (Cambridge University Press), p. 140.
[1491] Richeri Historiæ I, 39, MGH SS III, p. 580.
[1492] Widukindi I, 30, MGH SS III, p. 430.
[1493] Flodoardi Annales 924, MGH SS III, p. 373.
[1494] Reuter, T. (1991) Germany in the early middle ages c.800-1056 (Longman), pp. 140-1.
[1495] Liudprandi Antapodosis IV.20, MGH SS III, p. 321.
[1496] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 169, p. 233.
[1497] D H I 30, p. 65.
[1498] Thietmar 2.34, p. 117.
[1499] Flodoardi Annales 939, MGH SS III, p. 386.
[1500] Reginonis Chronicon, Continuator Reginonis Trevirensis 939, MGH SS I, p. 618.
[1501] Richer I.XXXV, p. 70.
[1502] Liudprandi Antapodosis IV.20, MGH SS III, p. 321.
[1503] Flodoard 939, MGH SS III, p. 386.
[1504] Settipani (1993), p. 330.
[1505] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, XXXVII, p. 48.4


; Per Weis: “Giselbert (240-18), Duke of Lorraine, b. abt. 880, d. 939; m. 929, Gerberga of Saxony (142-18), d. 5 May 984. (she m. 2nd, 939, Louis IV, d'Outre-Mer (148-18) King of France).”.9

; Per Genealogy.EU (Brabant 1): “B1. Giselbert, Duke of Lotharingia (924-939), +drowned in the Rhine 2.10.939; m.928/9 Gerberga of Saxony (+984)”.21

; Per Racines et Histoire (Brabant): “Giselbert II ° ~880 + 02/10/939 (noyé dans le Rhin, près Andernach, pendant un raid de pillage le long du Rhin avec Eberhard, ex-duc de Franconie et Heinrich, frère d’Otto(n) 1er, Roi de Germanie) Abbé de Stablo (915-925) rebelle à Charles III «Le Simple» (918), Abbé laïc d’Echternach (924-939), Abbé de Saint-Maximin de Trier (Trêves, 925-934), créé duc (928) par Heinrich 1er, Roi de Germanie qui l’investit du duché de Lotharingie (924-939)
     ép. 928/29 Gerberga de Saxe (Germanie) abbesse de Notre-Dame de Soissons (959) ° 913/17 (Nordhausen) + après 968 (984 ?) (fille d’Heinrich 1er, Roi de Germanie et de Mathilde ; ép. 2) fin 939 Louis IV «d’Outremer», Roi de Francie) (reçoit de son second mari l’Abbaye de Notre-Dame de Laon 951)”.3

; Per Genealogy.EU (Liudolfing): “C5. Gerberge, *ca 914/925, +5/14.5.984; 1m: 929 Duke Giselbert of Lorraine (+939); 2m: 939 King Louis IV of West Franks (*921 +954)”.22

; Per Med Lands:
     "GERBERGA (Nordhausen [913/14]-Reims 5 May 984, bur Abbaye de Reims). Liutprand states that the wife of "Gislebertum Lotharingorum ducem" was "regis sororem"[171]. Flodoard names her "Gerbergam" when recording her second marriage[172]. Her first husband had been a rival of King Heinrich I and maybe planned to establish himself as independent ruler in Lotharingia in 920[173]. As the marriage coincided with Giselbert being created dux, it was presumably arranged to confirm Giselbert's submission to King Heinrich. King Louis married Gerberga without the permission of her brother Otto I King of Germany, probably to increase his hold on Lotharingia (ruled by her first husband). Gerberga was active in the defence of Laon in 941 and of Reims in 946, accompanied her husband on expeditions to Aquitaine in 944 and Burgundy in 949, and was active during his period of imprisonment in 945/46[174]. An educated person, she commissioned from Adso of Moutier-en-Der the De ortu et tempore antichristi[175]. Her second husband gave her the abbey of Notre-Dame de Laon in 951, taken from his mother on her second marriage. Abbess of Notre Dame de Soissons in 959[176]. "Gerberga…Francorum regina" donated "alodo…Marsnam in comitatu Masaugo" to Reims Saint-Rémy, confirmed by "comitibus Emmone et Ansfrido", for the souls of "senioris nostri piæ memoriæ Gisleberti suique…patris…et matris Rageneri et Albradæ", by charter dated 10 Feb 968, signed by "Arnulfi comitis…Emmonis comitis, Ansfridi comitis…"[177].
     "m firstly ([928/29]) GISELBERT Graf [von Maasgau], son of REGINAR [I] "Langhals" Graaf [van Maasgau] Comte de Hainaut & his wife Alberada --- (-drowned in the River Rhine Oct 929). He was created dux in 928 by Heinrich I King of Germany, which effectively created him GISELBERT Duke of Lotharingia.
     "m secondly (end 939) LOUIS IV "d'Outremer" King of the West Franks, son of CHARLES III "le Simple" King of the West Franks & his second wife Eadgifu [Ogive] of England ([10 Sep 920/10 Sep 921]-Reims Oct 954, bur Reims St Remy)."
Med Lands cites:
[171] Liudprandi Antapodosis IV.20, MGH SS III, p. 321.
[172] Flodoard 939, MGH SS III, p. 386.
[173] Reuter (1991), p. 140.
[174] McKitterick, R. (1983) Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987 (Longman, London and New York), p. 318.
[175] McKitterick (1983), p. 278.
[176] Settipani (1993), p. 330.
[177] Miraeus (Le Mire), A. (1723) Opera diplomatica et historica, 2nd edn. (Louvain), Tome I, XXXVII, p. 48.13
He was      Per Racines et Histoire: "abbé de Stablo (915-925) rebelle à Charles III «Le Simple» (918), abbé laïc d’Echternach (924-939), abbé de Saint-Maximin de Trier (Trêves, 925-934), créé duc (928) par Heinrich 1er, roi de Germanie qui l’investit du duché de Lotharingie (924-939)"
     Per The Henry Project:
Duke of Lorraine, probably 928-939.
Lay-abbot of Echternach, 915-939.
Lay-abbot of Stavelot-Malmedy.
Lay-abbot of Saint-Maximin.
Lay-abbot of Saint-Servais.
Lay-abbot of Chèvremont.
between 915 and 934.3,5 He was Graf im Massgau between 915 and 939.20 He was Duke of Lotharingia (Lorraine) between 928 and 939.1,2,20,19

Family

Gerberga (?) von Sachsen b. bt 913 - 914, d. 5 May 984
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Brabant 1 page (Dukes of Brabant and Landgraves of Hesse): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brabant/brabant1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020488&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Ducs de Brabant grafen im Maasgau, comtes de Louvain (Leuven), seigneurs de Perwez et Lovain(e) (Angleterre), p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Giselbertdied939. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gisel101.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  6. [S1823] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email #1 3 Nov 2004 "Re: Giselbert Duke of Lorraine parentage"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/1Df2gfLgfdM/m/Zx4oLryXDz4J) to e-mail address, 3 Nov 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email #1 3 Nov 2004."
  7. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Milford Haven Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf, p. 2.
  9. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 140-18, p. 134. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
  10. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 151-18, p. 147.
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Liudolfer page (Liudolfing): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/liudolfer.html
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga von Sachsen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020067&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMANY,%20Kings.htm#GerbergaM1GiselbertLorraineM2LouisIVFran.
  14. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gerbe000.htm
  15. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 151-18, p. 133. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  16. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 06 October 2019), memorial page for Gilbert Of Lorraine (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 134022736, ; Maintained by Darrell and Joan Mansur (contributor 48248313) Body lost or destroyed, who reports a Drowned in the Rhine, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/134022736/gilbert-of-lorraine. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  17. [S1823] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email #1 3 Nov 2004," e-mail to e-mail address, 3 Nov 2004, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/1Df2gfLgfdM/m/Zx4oLryXDz4J
  18. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert,_Duke_of_Lorraine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  19. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Gislebert de Lotharingie: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gislebert_de_Lotharingie. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  20. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Giselbert von Lothringen: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giselbert_von_Lothringen. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  21. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brabant 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brabant/brabant1.html#G1
  22. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Liudolfing: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/liudolfer.html#GH1
  23. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alverade de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020518&tree=LEO
  24. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf, p. 3.
  25. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Ducs de Brabant grafen im Maasgau, comtes de Louvain (Leuven), seigneurs de Perwez et Lovain(e) (Angleterre), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf
  26. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga de Lorraine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020493&tree=LEO
  27. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Gerbergadied978
  28. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Hainaut, Hennegau, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Hainaut.pdf

Adélaïde/Adelais (?)1,2

F, #4837, d. after 999
ReferenceGAV27 EDV28
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Adélaïde/Adelais (?) married Lambert (?) Cte de Châlons, son of Robert (?) Vicomte d'Autun, Vicomte de Dijon and Ingeltrude (?), on 7 December 954
;
His 2nd wife; her 1st husband.1,3,4,5,2,6
Adélaïde/Adelais (?) was buried after 6 March 974 at Saint Aubin Abbey, Angers, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Caen, Departement du Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
     DEATH     unknown, France
     Adele of Meaux born about 950 and died 980. She was also known as "Adele of Vermandois". She was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon. She married twice, first to Lambert, Count of Chalon, and then to Geoffrey I of Anjou, and had three children with each.
     With Lambert of Chalon:
** Hugh I of Autun, Bishop of Auxerre (-1039)
** Mahaut of Autun, Count of Chalon (-1019)
** Aelis of Chalon, who married Guido I of Macon
     With Geoffrey I of Anjou:
** Fulk III "the Black" b: ABT 0970
** Ermengarde of Anjou
** Gerberge of Anjou b: ABT 0982 in Anjou
     Family Members
     Parents
          Robert de Vermandois 910–968
          Adelaide Werra de Bourgogne 920–967
     Spouses
          Lambert I d'Autun de Chalon 924–978
          Geoffroy I de Anjou unknown–987
     Children
          Fulk III Anjou unknown–1040
          Ermengarde D'Anjou Bretagne De Rennes 958–1022
     BURIAL     Saint Aubin Abbey, Angers, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
     Created by: Kat
     Added: 23 Dec 2011
     Find A Grave Memorial 82326968.7 She married Geoffroi I "Grisegonelle" (?) Comte d'Anjou, son of Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou and Gerberge (?) d'Arles, du Maine, in March 979 at France
;
His 2nd wife.8,9,10,1,2,11
Adélaïde/Adelais (?) died after 999.1
      ;      Per Stewart email [2004]: "This Countess Adela of Anjou died (perhaps in childbirth) in 974 after giving a charter dated 6 March on her death-bed, "ego Adela...in extremis circumvallantibus angustiis constituta", _Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Aubin d'Angers_, edited by A Bertrand de Brousillon, 3 vols (Angers, 1896-1903) I no 3, pp 8...10."12

; Per Med Lands (Ref #1):
     "m secondly (Mar 979) as her second husband, ADELAIS, widow of LAMBERT Comte de Chalon, daughter of --- (-after 18 Oct 984). "Lanbertus comes [et]…Adeleydis uxor mea" made a joint donation of "capellam beati Martini in villa Vigoseto" to Cluny by charter dated 978[94]. "Gausfredus comes [et]…Adeleidis uxor mea" jointly donated land in "pago Cabilonensi" by charter dated Mar 979, her first marriage being deduced from "Hugo filius Lanberti comitis" acting jointly with them and signing "Hugonis filii eius" directly after "Adeleidis" in the subscriptions[95]. "Gauzfredi comitis, Adaleidis comitissa" subscribed a charter dated 18 Oct 984[96]. The origin of Adelais has been the subject of much speculation. Settipani has suggested that she was the daughter of Hugues Comte en Bourgogne & his wife Willa von Thurgau[97]. Chaume suggested that she was the daughter or granddaughter of Charles Constantin Comte de Vienne[98]. Bouchard sets out several different theories concerning Adelais's origin, with the aim mainly of explaining Lambert's succession to the county of Chalon by inheritance through his wife. However, none appears to be based on any primary source and the author concludes that she prefers "to leave Adelaide's origins unknown"[99]. An earlier theory was that Adelais was the sister of "Wera" Ctss de Meaux[100], which would mean that she was Adelais, daughter of Giselbert Duke of Burgundy, Comte de Chalon-sur-Saône et de Troyes & his wife Ermengarde [of Burgundy]. Duchesne suggested that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the daughter of Robert Comte de Meaux et de Troyes[101], although this would mean that the two wives of Geoffroy I Comte d'Anjou were sisters, no mention of which has been found in contemporary sources. Yet another suggestion is that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the same person as Wera-Adelais Ctss de Meaux. However, this is even more unlikely chronologically considering the estimated birth date of Wera-Adelais and the fact that Adelais de Chalon gave birth to at least one child by her second husband after their marriage in 979. It would also mean that Comte Geoffroy married, as his second wife, his first wife's mother which is unlikely to have been accepted by the church. Finally, in 1619, Duchesne suggested that Adelais was the sister of Guillaume I Comte d'Arles[102].
Comte Geoffroy I & his second wife had one child:
5. MAURICE d'Anjou ([980]-1012, bur Châteauneuf, église Saint-Martin)."
Med Lands cites:
[94] Cluny, Tome II, 1444 bis, p. 755.
[95] Cluny Tome II, 1474, p. 528.
[96] Cluny Tome II, 1701, p. 723.
[97] Settipani 'Les origines maternelles d'Otte-Guillaume' (1994), pp 48-49.
[98] Bouchard (1987), p. 309, citing Chaume, M. (1925-1931) Les origines du duché de Bourgogne 2 Vols. reprint 1977 (Dijon), Vol. 1, p. 447 n. 2.
[99] Bouchard (1987), p. 309.
[100] Lot (1891), pp. 323-34, and Poupardin (1907), pp. 206 and 417, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 309.
[101] Duchesne, A. Histoire de Vergy, p. 46, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 307.
[102] Bouchard (1987), p. 309, citing Duchesne, A. (1619) Histoire des roys, ducs et comtes de Bourgogne (Paris), p. 387.

Per Med Lands (Ref #1):
     "m [secondly] as her first husband, ADELAIS, daughter of --- (-after 18 Oct 984). "Lanbertus comes [et]…Adeleydis uxor mea" made a joint donation of "capellam beati Martini in villa Vigoseto" to Cluny by charter dated 978[474]. If Adelais was the mother of all of Comte Lambert's children, she could not have been born later than [930/32]. This is early if she also gave birth to her son by her second marriage after 978. The date would of course be later if Adelais was Comte Lambert's second wife, as suggested above. The origin of Adelais has been the subject of much speculation. Settipani has suggested[475] that she was the daughter of Hugues Comte en Bourgogne and his wife Willa von Thurgau. Chaume suggested that Adelais was the daughter or granddaughter of Charles Constantin Comte de Vienne[476]. Bouchard sets out several different theories concerning Adelais's origin, with the aim mainly of explaining Lambert's accession to Chalon by inheritance through his wife. However, none appears to be based on any primary documentation and Bouchard concludes that she prefers "to leave Adelais's origins unknown"[477]. An earlier theory was that Adelais was the sister of "Wera" Ctss de Meaux[478], which would mean that she was Adelais, daughter of Giselbert Duke of Burgundy & his wife Ermengarde [of Burgundy]. Duchesne suggested that she was the daughter of Robert Comte de Meaux et de Troyes[479], although this would mean that the two wives of Geoffroy I Comte d'Anjou were sisters, no mention of which has so far been found in contemporary sources. Another suggestion is that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the same person as Wera-Adelais Ctss de Meaux. However, this is even more unlikely from a chronological perspective considering the estimated birth date of Wera-Adelais and the fact that Adelais de Chalon gave birth to at least one child by her second husband, Geoffroy Comte d'Anjou, after her marriage in 979. It would also mean that Comte Geoffroy married, as his second wife, his first wife's mother which is unlikely to have been accepted by the church. In 1619, Duchesne[480] suggested that Adelais was the sister of Guillaume I Comte d'Arles. Adelais married secondly (Mar 979) as his second wife, Geoffroi I "Grisegonelle" Comte d'Anjou, who acted as Comte de Chalon until his death in 987. "Gausfredus comes [et]…Adeleidis uxor mea" jointly donated land in "pago Cabilonensi" by charter dated Mar 979, her first marriage being deduced from "Hugo filius Lanberti comitis" acting jointly with them and signing "Hugonis filii eius" directly after "Adeleidis" in the subscriptions[481]. "Gauzfredi comitis, Adaleidis comitissa" subscribed a charter dated 18 Oct 984[482]."
Med Lands cites:
[474] Cluny, Tome II, 1444 bis, p. 755.
[475] Jackman, p. 87, citing Settipani 'Les origines maternelles d'Otte-Guillaume', Annales de Bourgogne, Tome 66, 1994, pp 48-49 [not yet consulted].
[476] Bouchard (1987), p. 309, citing Chaume, M. (1925-1931) Les origines du duché de Bourgogne 2 Vols. reprint 1977 (Dijon), Vol. 1, p. 447 n. 2 [not yet consulted].
[477] Bouchard (1987), p. 309.
[478] Lot (1891), pp. 323-34, and Poupardin (1907), pp. 206 and 417, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 309.
[479] Duchesne (1625) Vergy, p. 46, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 307.
[480] Bouchard (1987), p. 309, citing Duchesne (1619), p. 387.
[481] Cluny Tome II, 1474, p. 528.
[482] Cluny Tome II, 1701, p. 723.13,14
GAV-27 EDV-28 GKJ-28.

; This is the same person as ”Adélaïde” at The Henry Project.1

; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin1): "G1. Adelaide de Vermandois, *934, +982; 1m: 7.12.954 Lambert de Chalons; 2m: III.979 Cte Geoffroy I d'Anjou (*938 +987.)15"

; Per Genealogy.EU: "Geoffroy I "Grisgonelle", Cte d'Anjou (960-987), *938/ca 940, +k.a.21.7.987; 1m: ca 965 Adéle de Donzy (*ca 950 +974); 2m: III.979 Adelaide de Vermandois (*934 +975/978/982), dau.of Duke Giselbert of Burgundy (?)9"
; Per Racines et Histoire: "1) Geoffroi 1er (Gaufridus ou Gauzfredus) d’Anjou dit «Grisegonelle» ° 938/40 +X 21/07/987 (siège de Marçon, près Château-du-Loir) comte d’Anjou (958/60)
ép. 1) ~965 ou peu avant Adèle de Meaux (alias «de Vermandois») ° ~950 + après 06/03/974 (fille de Robert, comte de Meaux et de Troyes, et d’Adélaïs «Werra» de Bourgogne)
ou Adélaïs de Donzy (Bourgogne) ° ~950 + 12/12/975 (Angers) comtesse de Chalons et Beaune (fille de Gilbert) (citée pour un don à Saint-Aubin d’Angers par charte 06/03/974) Per Racines et Histoire: "1) Geoffroi 1er (Gaufridus ou Gauzfredus) d’Anjou dit «Grisegonelle» ° 938/40 +X 21/07/987 (siège de Marçon, près Château-du-Loir) comte d’Anjou (958/60)
ép. 1) ~965 ou peu avant Adèle de Meaux (alias «de Vermandois») ° ~950 + après 06/03/974 (fille de Robert, comte de Meaux et de Troyes, et d’Adélaïs «Werra» de Bourgogne)
ou Adélaïs de Donzy (Bourgogne) ° ~950 + 12/12/975 (Angers) comtesse de Chalons et Beaune (fille de Gilbert) (citée pour un don à Saint-Aubin d’Angers par charte 0Per Racines et Histoire: "1) Geoffroi 1er (Gaufridus ou Gauzfredus) d’Anjou dit «Grisegonelle» ° 938/40 +X 21/07/987 (siège de Marçon, près Château-du-Loir) comte d’Anjou (958/60)
ép. 1) ~965 ou peu avant Adèle de Meaux (alias «de Vermandois») ° ~950 + après 06/03/974 (fille de Robert, comte de Meaux et de Troyes, et d’Adélaïs «Werra» de Bourgogne)
ou Adélaïs de Donzy (Bourgogne) ° ~950 + 12/12/975 (Angers) comtesse de Chalons et Beaune (fille de Gilbert) (citée pour un don à Saint-Aubin d’Angers par charte 06/03/974) Per Racines et Histoire: "1) Geoffroi 1er (Gaufridus ou Gauzfredus) d’Anjou dit «Grisegonelle» ° 938/40 +X 21/07/987 (siège de Marçon, près Château-du-Loir) comte d’Anjou (958/60)
ép. 1) ~965 ou peu avant Adèle de Meaux (alias «de Vermandois») ° ~950 + après 06/03/974 (fille de Robert, comte de Meaux et de Troyes, et d’Adélaïs «Werra» de Bourgogne)
ou Adélaïs de Donzy (Bourgogne) ° ~950 + 12/12/975 (Angers) comtesse de Chalons et Beaune (fille de Gilbert) (citée pour un don à Saint-Aubin d’Angers pa[NB: The identification of Geoffroi's 1st wife as "Adélaïs de Donzy" has been discarded by others.]
ép. ??? 2) 02 ou 09/03/979 Adélaïs ? + après 18/10/984 (veuve de Lambert, comte de Chalon) [?? cette 2° épouse (déduite de l’existence de Maurice, demi-frère de Foulques Nerra) fait encore l’objet de recherches : selon Settipani, fille d’Hugues, comte de Bourgogne, et de Willa von Thurgau ; selon Chaume, fille ou petite-fille de Charles-Constantin, comte de Vienne ; selon d’autres sources, soeur de Werra, comtesse de Meaux, ou encore fille de Gislebert, duc de Bourgogne, comte de Chalon-sur-Saône et de Troyes, et d’Ermengarde de Dijon ; selon Duchesne, fille de Robert, comte de Meaux et Troyes et donc soeur de la 1° épouse de Geoffroi..; Selon le même en 1619, soeur de Guillaume 1er, comte d’Arles ?? ]."16
; Per Med Lands:
     "LAMBERT, son of ROBERT Vicomte de Dijon & his wife Ingeltrude --- (-22 Feb 979). "Lanbertus consanguineus meus" was named by Letald Comte de Mâcon in a charter dated 944[471], although any relationship between the early comtes de Chalon and the comtes de Mâcon has not been established unless it was through Lambert’s mother. "Lanberti filii eorum…" subscribed the charter dated Dec 958 under which "Rotbertus…vicecomes et coniunx mea Ingeltrudis" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire[472]. Comte [de Chalon]. "Lanbertus comes [et]…Adeleydis uxor mea" made a joint donation of "capellam beati Martini in villa Vigoseto" to Cluny by charter dated 978[473].
     "[m firstly ---. There is no evidence that Comte Lambert had a first wife before he married Adelais. However, if Gerberge was Lambert's daughter (which is far from certain, as explained below), it is unlikely from a chronological point of view that her mother could have been Adelais.]
     "m [secondly] as her first husband, ADELAIS, daughter of --- (-after 18 Oct 984). "Lanbertus comes [et]…Adeleydis uxor mea" made a joint donation of "capellam beati Martini in villa Vigoseto" to Cluny by charter dated 978[474]. If Adelais was the mother of all of Comte Lambert's children, she could not have been born later than [930/32]. This is early if she also gave birth to her son by her second marriage after 978. The date would of course be later if Adelais was Comte Lambert's second wife, as suggested above. The origin of Adelais has been the subject of much speculation. Settipani has suggested[475] that she was the daughter of Hugues Comte en Bourgogne and his wife Willa von Thurgau. Chaume suggested that Adelais was the daughter or granddaughter of Charles Constantin Comte de Vienne[476]. Bouchard sets out several different theories concerning Adelais's origin, with the aim mainly of explaining Lambert's accession to Chalon by inheritance through his wife. However, none appears to be based on any primary documentation and Bouchard concludes that she prefers "to leave Adelais's origins unknown"[477]. An earlier theory was that Adelais was the sister of "Wera" Ctss de Meaux[478], which would mean that she was Adelais, daughter of Giselbert Duke of Burgundy & his wife Ermengarde [of Burgundy]. Duchesne suggested that she was the daughter of Robert Comte de Meaux et de Troyes[479], although this would mean that the two wives of Geoffroy I Comte d'Anjou were sisters, no mention of which has so far been found in contemporary sources. Another suggestion is that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the same person as Wera-Adelais Ctss de Meaux. However, this is even more unlikely from a chronological perspective considering the estimated birth date of Wera-Adelais and the fact that Adelais de Chalon gave birth to at least one child by her second husband, Geoffroy Comte d'Anjou, after her marriage in 979. It would also mean that Comte Geoffroy married, as his second wife, his first wife's mother which is unlikely to have been accepted by the church. In 1619, Duchesne[480] suggested that Adelais was the sister of Guillaume I Comte d'Arles. Adelais married secondly (Mar 979) as his second wife, Geoffroi I "Grisegonelle" Comte d'Anjou, who acted as Comte de Chalon until his death in 987. "Gausfredus comes [et]…Adeleidis uxor mea" jointly donated land in "pago Cabilonensi" by charter dated Mar 979, her first marriage being deduced from "Hugo filius Lanberti comitis" acting jointly with them and signing "Hugonis filii eius" directly after "Adeleidis" in the subscriptions[481]. "Gauzfredi comitis, Adaleidis comitissa" subscribed a charter dated 18 Oct 984[482].
     "Lambert & his [first] wife had [one possible child]:
1. [GERBERGE ([945]-11 Dec [987/991]).

     "Lambert & his [second] wife had [three] children:
2. HUGUES de Chalon (-1039).
3. MATHILDE de Chalon (-before 1019).
4. [--- de Chalon (-before 1018)."

Med Lands cites:
[471] Cluny, Tome I, 655, p. 609.
[472] Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire LII, p. 130.
[473] Cluny, Tome II, 1444 bis, p. 755.
[474] Cluny, Tome II, 1444 bis, p. 755.
[475] Jackman, p. 87, citing Settipani 'Les origines maternelles d'Otte-Guillaume', Annales de Bourgogne, Tome 66, 1994, pp 48-49 [not yet consulted].
[476] Bouchard (1987), p. 309, citing Chaume, M. (1925-1931) Les origines du duché de Bourgogne 2 Vols. reprint 1977 (Dijon), Vol. 1, p. 447 n. 2 [not yet consulted].
[477] Bouchard (1987), p. 309.
[478] Lot (1891), pp. 323-34, and Poupardin (1907), pp. 206 and 417, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 309.
[479] Duchesne (1625) Vergy, p. 46, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 307.
[480] Bouchard (1987), p. 309, citing Duchesne (1619), p. 387.
[481] Cluny Tome II, 1474, p. 528.
[482] Cluny Tome II, 1701, p. 723.4

Family 1

Lambert (?) Cte de Châlons b. c 930, d. 22 Feb 979
Children

Family 2

Geoffroi I "Grisegonelle" (?) Comte d'Anjou b. bt 938 - 940, d. 21 Jul 987
Child

Citations

  1. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adélaïde: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/adela003.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177412&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lambert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106087&tree=LEO
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  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffrey I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020193&tree=LEO
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
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  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut de Chalon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106089&tree=LEO
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Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou1,2,3

M, #4838, b. between 905 and 910, d. 11 November 958
FatherFoulques I "le Roux" (?) Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou, Cte de Nantes, Cte d'Anjou1,2,4,5,6 b. c 870, d. bt 941 - 942
MotherRoscille/Roscilla de Loches Dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry1,2,5,6 b. c 874, d. Jul 929
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou was born between 905 and 910 at Anjou, France; Wikipedia says b. c 905; Genealogics says b. 910.2,1,7,8 He married Gerberge (?) d'Arles, du Maine in 937 at France
;
His 1st wife.1,9,10,2,7,5,11 Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou married Roscilla (?) de Blois, daughter of Thibaud (Thibaut, Tetbald) dit «L’Ancien» (?) vicomte de Tours, comte de Blois and Richilde (?) de Bourges, in 954
;
His 2nd wife; Her 2nd husband; Med Lands says m. aft 952; Wikipedia (Fr.) and Racines et Histoire say m. 954.2,12,5
Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou died in 958.9
Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou died on 11 November 958 at Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now).1,2,5
Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou was buried circa 960 at Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     21 Jun 909, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
     DEATH     11 Nov 960 (aged 51), Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
     b. 909, d. Nov. 11, 960
     Fulk II, Count of Anjou (942-960), was a son of Fulk the Red and his wife Roscilla de Loches, daughter of Warnerius, Seigneur de Villentrois. He succeeded his father in 942 as the second count of Anjou, also called the count of Angers, and remained in power until 960.
     The Angevins, Fulk II included, had become particularly adept at establishing marriage alliances that furthered their goals. His father, Fulk the Red had arranged his marriage to a Carolingian, Gerberga, the daughter of Ratburnus I Viscount of Vienne. Among other things this alliance opened the doors for their daughter Adelaide-Blanche to marry a future king of France and their son Guy to become Bishop of le Puy.
     Family Members
     Parents
      Fulk I de Anjou
      Roscille des Loches
     Spouse
      Gerberge du Maine 913–952
     Siblings
      Adele d'Anjou Vexin 924–948
     Children
      Geoffroy I de Anjou
      Adelaide d'Anjou 940–1026
     BURIAL     Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
     Created by: Angie Swann
     Added: 27 Mar 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 144252511
     SPONSORED BY Christian H. F. Riley.13
Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou died circa 960; per Stewart:
     "Foulques II, known as Foulques le Bon, was living in September 958 when he was present at an assembly of bishops and nobles according to a notice in the cartulary of Saint-Florent de Saumur ("Anno itaque ab Incarn. Domini DCCCCLVIII. Indict. I. contigit ut Placitus fieret in confinio Andegavorum Turonorumque in Verrore videlicet"... in præsentia nobilissimorum Comitum Theobaldi atque Fulconis ... S. Theobaldi Comitis. S. Fulconis Comitis qui hanc conscriptionem fieri rogaverunt ... Datum mense Septembris anno IV. Hlotharii regis").
     "His death was wrongly placed on 11 November 956 (in a passage with a leper miraculously disappearing followed by St Martin appearing to explain that this had been Jesus Christ in disguise) by a 13th-century chronicler ("Anno Othonis XXIo et Lotharii regis Francorum IIo, Fulco Bonus comes Andegavensis ad festum Beati Martini veniens ... Nocte sequenti apparuit comiti Beatus Martinus ... Cumque in crastinum in choro Beati Martini missam dominicam audisset ... spiritum exhalavit anno comitatus XVIIIo ").
     "In an article published in 1895 René Merlet retained this date but arbitrarily transferred the event to 11 November 960 on the dubious grounds that Fulco was living when Nantes was besieged by Normans in the course of that year.
     "A 14th-century chronicler placed his death in 958 without a specific date ("DCCCCLVIII. Fulcho Bonus comes Andegavensium obit").
     "A charter for Saint-Florent de Saumur dated September 960 is usually cited as providing the terminus ante quem, because it was subscribed by his son & heir Geoffroy Grisegonelle as count (anno ab incarnatione Domini et redemptione DCCCCLX ... S. Gausfredi comitis ... Datum mense septembrio, anno V regni Lotharii regis""). This is bolstered by a list of counts and bishops of Anjou, written in 1155, stating that Geoffroy, who died in July 987, was count for 27 years ("Gaufridus comes, annis XXVII").
     "The terminus can be pushed back by six months: an original charter for Saint-Julien de Tours in the municipal archives of Rheims (collection Tarbé, carton 1 no 8) shows that Geoffroy was count by March 960 ("ego siquidem Gauzfredus, rerum Sanctae Genofefae rector ... Signum Gauzfredi comitis ... Data in mense marcio, anno VI regnante Hlotherio rege").
     "A transcription and further details of this charter can be found at: http://www.cn-telma.fr/originaux/charte9/
     "(_Chartes originales antérieures à 1121 conservées en France_, no. 9)."14
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: "Foulques II "le Bon", Cte d'Anjou (942-960), *ca 920, +11.11.958; 1m: 937 Gerberga de Maine (*ca 913 +by 952); 2m: after 952 N, widow of Alain, Duc de Bretagne; all kids were by 1m."1



Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 139
     2. Biogr. details drawn from Wikipedia .15

; Per Med Lands:
     "FOULQUES d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscille de "Loches" (-11 Nov 958). The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "Fulco Rufus alium [filium] …tertium iuniorem…alter Fulco cognominatus Bonus" when recording that he succeeded his father[52]. He succeeded his father as FOULQUES II "le Bon" Comte d'Anjou. He made peace with the Normans.
     "m firstly ([937]) GERBERGE, daughter of --- (-before 952). "Gaufridus…Andecavorum comes" names "patris mei Fulconis, matris quoque meæ Gerbergæ" in his charter dated 19 Jun 966[53]. Maurice Chaume suggested that she was Gerberge, daughter of Geoffroy Vicomte d'Orléans [Comte de Gâtinais], based on onomastic reasons only to explain the introduction of the name Geoffroy into the family of the Comtes d'Anjou[54].
     "m secondly (after 952) as her second husband, --- de Blois, widow of ALAIN II “Barbetorte” Duke of Brittany, daughter of THIBAUT [I] "l'Ancien" Comte de Blois & his [second wife Richilde ---]. The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Blesensis…sororem suam relictam Alani Barbætortæ ducis" and "Fulconi comiti Andegavensi"[55].
     "Foulques II & his first wife had four children."
Med Lands cites:
[52] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, pp. 66 and 67.
[53] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome I, 2, p. 4.
[54] Saint-Phalle 'Les comtes de Gâtinais aux X et XI siècles' (2000), p. 239, citing Chaume, M. (1925) Les origines du duché de Bourgogne (Dijon) Vol. I, p. 534.
[55] Chronique de Nantes, XXXVII, pp. 107-8.5


; Per Genealogics: "Foulques was the son of Foulques I, count of Anjou, and Roselle de Loche. In 937 he married Gerberge de Tours. Four of their children would have progeny, including his heir Geoffrey I. He was often at war with the Bretons. He seems to have been a man of culture, a poet and an artist. By reputation a saintly man, he dressed as a cleric. Of Louis IV, king of France, who had mocked his piety, Foulques commented, 'an illiterate king is a crowned ass'. Foulques died in 960."7



; Per Wikipedia:
     "Fulk II of Anjou (c. 905 — 960), called le Bon ("the Good") was Count of Anjou from 942 to his death.
Life
     "Fulk II born c.?905[1] was a son of Fulk the Red and his wife Roscilla de Loches, daughter of Warnerius, Seigneur de Villentrois.[2] He succeeded his father in 942 as the second count of Anjou,[3] also called the count of Angers, and remained in power until 960.[4]
     "The Angevins, Fulk II included, had become particularly adept at establishing marriage alliances that furthered their goals.[5] His father, Fulk the Red had arranged his marriage to a Carolingian, Gerberga, the daughter of Ratburnus I Viscount of Vienne.[6] Among other things this alliance opened the doors for their daughter Adelaide-Blanche to marry a future king of France and their son Guy to become Bishop of le Puy.[6]
     "After her death c.?952 Fulk made another astute political marriage to Adelaide, the widow of Alan II, Duke of Brittany. Alan II had also been Count of Nantes and through this marriage Fulk gained influence in, and possibly control of, Nantes.[7] Adelaide was also the sister of Theobald I, Count of Blois which permitted Fulk II to form an alliance with the House of Blois.[6]
Family
     "By his spouse, Gerberge, a woman of unknown origins,[8] Fulk II had several children:
-- Adelaide-Blanche of Anjou, married five times.[2]
-- Geoffrey I, Count of Anjou, married Adelaide of Vermandois.[2]
-- Bouchard, Count of Vendome.[2]
-- Guy of Anjou, Bishop of le Puy.[2]
-- Humbert d'Anjou, mentioned 957.[2]
-- Fulk II had no known issue with Adelaide.
Death
     "Fulk died in 960, at the relatively old age of 55.[9] He was succeeded by his 20-year-old son Geoffrey Greymantle.[2]
Notes
a. Refer to Bernard S. Bachrach, "Fulk Nerra: Neo-Roman Consul, 987-1040" (California, 1993) 261 and 262 for a useful genealogy of the Angevin comital line.
References
1. K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Family Trees and the Root of Politics; A Prosopography of Britain and France from the Tenth to the Twelfth Century (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, UK, 1997), p. 255
2. Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilband 1 (Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, Marburg, Germany, 1984), Tafel 116
3. Jim Bradbury, The Capetians: Kings of France, 987-1328 (Hambledon Continuum, London & New York, 2007), p. 56
4. Pierre Riché, The Carolingians; A Family Who Forged Europe, Trans. Michael Idomir Allen (University of Pennsylvania Press, Philadelphia, 1993), p. 264
5. Bernard S. Bachrach, Fulk Nerra the Neo-Roman Consul, 987-1040 (University of California Press, 1993), p. xi
6. Bernard S. Bachrach, Fulk Nerra the Neo-Roman Consul, 987-1040 (University of California Press, 1993), p. 7
7. Bernard S. Bachrach, 'The Idea of the Angevin Empire', Albion: A Quarterly Journal Concerned with British Studies, Vol. 10, No. 4 (Winter,1978), p. 295
8. Those of My Blood: Creating Noble Families in Medieval Francia By Constance Brittain Bouchard, p.23
9. Bernard S. Bachrach, Fulk Nerra the Neo-Roman Consul, 987-1040 (University of California Press, 1993), p. 261."8

GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29. Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou was also known as Fulk II (?) Count of Anjou.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ROSCILLE ). The Gesta Consulum Andegavensium records the marriage of Comte Foulques and "de pago Turonico…Roscillam, Warnerii filiam", specifying that "Warnerius…filius Adalaudi" had three castles "in Turonico…Lochas atque Villentrasti et Haia" which Foulques later acquired[247].
     "m FOULQUES, son of INGELGER & his wife Adelais --- (-[941/42]). Vicomte d'Anjou. Comte d'Anjou."
Med Lands cites:
[247] Gestis Consulum Andegavensium, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 65.16


; Per Racines et Histoire: "Foulques II «Le Bon» ° 910/20+ 11/11/958 comte d’Anjou (~941/42)
     ép. 1) 937 Gerberge du Maine alias «du Gâtinais» ° 913/15 + 952/53
     ép. 2) ~954 Roscilla de Blois ° 925 (veuve d’Alain, duc de Bretagne.)11"

He was Comte d'Anjou (See attached map of NW France ca 1050 from Wikipedia: By Osbern - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=1737773) between 942 and 960.1

Family 1

Child

Family 3

Roscilla (?) de Blois b. 925

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 4.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Foulques I, Comte d'Anjou: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020234&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIIdied958B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIdied941.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Foulques II 'the Good': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020237&tree=LEO
  8. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulk_II,_Count_of_Anjou. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  9. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/YzUpz3CDrCM/zTYWP3a3pRkJ;context-place=forum/soc.genealogy.medieval) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  10. [S1779] J Bunot, "Bunot email 24 Jan 2005: "Re: d'Auvergne -> Toulouse or Arles"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v7pU1OHfzao/m/Q7W2eWudpCAJ) to e-mail address, 24 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 24 Jan 2005."
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Gâtinais et d’Anjou (& 1ers Plantagenêts), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf
  12. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Foulques II d'Anjou: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foulques_II_d%27Anjou. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  13. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 12 October 2019), memorial page for Fulk II of Anjou (21 Jun 909–11 Nov 960), Find A Grave Memorial no. 144252511, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Angie Swann (contributor 48313732), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144252511/fulk_ii_of-anjou. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  14. [S2404] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 24 Nov 2011: "Death of Foulques II, count of Anjou"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 24 Nov 2011. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 24 Nov 2011."
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080236&tree=LEO
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#RoscilleMFoulquesIAnjou
  17. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 2.
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bouchard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020347&tree=LEO
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffrey I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020193&tree=LEO
  20. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Geoffroy I "Grisegonelle" (Geoffrey Greycloak, Gaufridus/Gauzfredus Grisegonella): http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/geoff001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid d'Anjou: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020247&tree=LEO

Gerberge (?) d'Arles, du Maine1

F, #4839, b. between 913 and 915, d. before 952
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Gerberge (?) d'Arles, du Maine was born between 913 and 915 at Maine, France.2,3,4,5,1,6 She married Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou, son of Foulques I "le Roux" (?) Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou, Cte de Nantes, Cte d'Anjou and Roscille/Roscilla de Loches Dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry, in 937 at France
;
His 1st wife.5,7,8,1,9,10,6
Gerberge (?) d'Arles, du Maine died before 952.7,5,8,1,11,12,6
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "m firstly ([937]) GERBERGE, daughter of --- (-before 952). "Gaufridus…Andecavorum comes" names "patris mei Fulconis, matris quoque meæ Gerbergæ" in his charter dated 19 Jun 966[53]. Maurice Chaume suggested that she was Gerberge, daughter of Geoffroy Vicomte d'Orléans [Comte de Gâtinais], based on onomastic reasons only to explain the introduction of the name Geoffroy into the family of the Comtes d'Anjou[54].
     "Foulques II & his first wife had four children."
Med Lands cites:
[53] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome I, 2, p. 4.
[54] Saint-Phalle 'Les comtes de Gâtinais aux X et XI siècles' (2000), p. 239, citing Chaume, M. (1925) Les origines du duché de Bourgogne (Dijon) Vol. I, p. 534.10
GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 139
     2. Les seize quartiers des Reines et Imperatrices Francaises, 1977, Saillot, Jacques. 175.12 Gerberge (?) d'Arles, du Maine was also known as Geberge (?) du Maine.11 Gerberge (?) d'Arles, du Maine was also known as Geberge (?) de Gatinais.8 Gerberge (?) d'Arles, du Maine was also known as Geberge (?) de Tours.12
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Foulques II «Le Bon» ° 910/20+ 11/11/958 comte d’Anjou (~941/42)
     ép. 1) 937 Gerberge du Maine alias «du Gâtinais» ° 913/15 + 952/53
     ép. 2) ~954 Roscilla de Blois ° 925 (veuve d’Alain, duc de Bretagne.)6"

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S602] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. 14, Ed. 1, Family #2699 (n.p.: Release date: October 20, 1997, unknown publish date).
  3. [S619] Inc. Br²derbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 27 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 6, Ed. 1, Family #6-1556 (n.p.: Release date: August 22, 1996, unknown publish date).
  4. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Gâtinais et d’Anjou (& 1ers Plantagenêts), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf
  7. [S1707] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005: "Ahnentafel Petronille de Comminges-Bigorre"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/YzUpz3CDrCM/zTYWP3a3pRkJ;context-place=forum/soc.genealogy.medieval) to e-mail address, 26 Feb 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Feb 2005."
  8. [S1779] J Bunot, "Bunot email 24 Jan 2005: "Re: d'Auvergne -> Toulouse or Arles"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v7pU1OHfzao/m/Q7W2eWudpCAJ) to e-mail address, 24 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 24 Jan 2005."
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Foulques II 'the Good': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020237&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  10. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIIdied958B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  11. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 12 October 2019), memorial page for Gerberge du Maine (913–952), Find A Grave Memorial no. 146168483, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146168483/gerberge-du_maine. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberge de Tours: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020238&tree=LEO
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 4.
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bouchard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020347&tree=LEO
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffrey I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020193&tree=LEO
  16. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Geoffroy I "Grisegonelle" (Geoffrey Greycloak, Gaufridus/Gauzfredus Grisegonella): http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/geoff001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid d'Anjou: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020247&tree=LEO

Eleonore de Châtillon1

F, #4840, d. after 1357
FatherGuy III de Châtillon Comte de St. Pol1,2,3 b. 1265, d. 6 Apr 1317
MotherMarie de Dreux de Bretagne, Dame d'Elincourt1,2 b. 1268, d. 5 May 1339
Last Edited14 Oct 2019
     Eleonore de Châtillon married Jean III Malet Seigneur de Graville, de Séez et de Bernay, son of Jean II Malet Seigneur de Graville, de Séez et de Bernay and Jeanne/Anne de Wavrin.4

Eleonore de Châtillon died after 1357.1
     Reference: Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: 7:18.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleonore de Châtillon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00546862&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_of_Brittany,_Countess_of_Saint-Pol. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_IV,_Count_of_Saint-Pol.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jean III Malet: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00546861&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert III Malet: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00260811&tree=LEO

Foulques I "le Roux" (?) Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou, Cte de Nantes, Cte d'Anjou1,2

M, #4841, b. circa 870, d. between 941 and 942
FatherIngelger I (?) vicomte d'Angers3,4,5,6,2 b. bt 845 - 850, d. 888
MotherAelindeAdelaide d'Amboise7,5,6,2 b. c 844
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited30 Nov 2020
     Foulques I "le Roux" (?) Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou, Cte de Nantes, Cte d'Anjou was born circa 870 at Anjou, France.1,8,9,10 He married Roscille/Roscilla de Loches Dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry, daughter of GarnierGardier de Loches Seigneur de Loches and Tescandra (?) de Loches, before 5 July 905.11,12,13,1,8,9,5

Foulques I "le Roux" (?) Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou, Cte de Nantes, Cte d'Anjou died between 941 and 942; Genealogy.EU says d. 942; Genealogics says d. 938; Wikipedia says d. 942; Med Lands says d. 941/41.1,8,9,10,5
Foulques I "le Roux" (?) Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou, Cte de Nantes, Cte d'Anjou was buried in 942 at Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     unknown
     [birth date uncertain; died Aug 941/942]. French nobility. Count of Anjou. Eldest son of Ingeler of Anjou and his wife Adelais.
     Family Members
     Parents
      Ingelger of Anjou 850–888
      Adelais of Amboise of Anjou
     Spouse
      Roscille des Loches
     Children
      Fulk II of Anjou 909–960
      Adele d'Anjou Vexin 924–948
     BURIAL     Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
     Created by: Lutetia
     Added: 5 Sep 2014
     Find A Grave Memorial 135451648
     SPONSORED BY Christian H. F. Riley.14,5
      ; This is the same person as ”Fulk I, Count of Anjou” at Wikipedia and as ”Foulques Ier d'Anjou” at Wikipédia (FR).10,15 GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30.

; Per Genealogics:
     "Anjou was originally known as the _pagus andecavis,_ named after the Gaul tribe of Andecaves. At the end of the 9th century, Charles 'the Bald', king of _Francia occidentalis_ and later Holy Roman Emperor, allied himself to the duke of Brittany and expelled the Vikings from Anjou. He appointed Rutpert IV, Graf in Wormsgau, duke of Francia, an ancestor of the Capetian house, to protect the area against potential invaders.
     "At the end of the 9th century, the royal power faded away and feudal states emerged all over France. In 898 Foulques I 'le Roux' founded the first house of Anjou. He bore the hereditary title of count of Anjou. Foulques was the son of Ingelger, comte d'Anjou, and Aelinde, the daughter of Geoffroy I, comte de Gatinais. Foulques married Roselle de Loche, daughter of Gardier, seigneur de Loche. They had four children, of whom their son Foulques II would have progeny. Foulques I died about 938."9

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 139.9 Foulques I "le Roux" (?) Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou, Cte de Nantes, Cte d'Anjou was also known as Fulk I (?) Count of Anjou.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “Foulques 1er «Le Roux»° ~878/88 + 942 vicomte de Tours et d’Angers (909), comte d’Anjou (929, dès 898 ? investi par Robert, duc des Francs et roi en 922), s’empare du Maine, comte de Nantes (908-919)
     ép. avant 05/07/905 Roscilla de Loches, dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry ° ~874/887 + 938 (fille de Garnier, seigneur de Loches)”.2

; Per Med Lands:
     "FOULQUES (-[Aug 941/942], bur Châteauneuf, église Saint-Martin). The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "Ingelgerius…filius eius Fulco cognominatus Rufus"[27]. [“Ademari comitis, Attonis vicecomitis...Guarnegaudi...Ragenaldi...Fulconis, Gauzfredi” subscribed the charter dated Apr 886 under which “Odo...comes et...abbas...Sancti Martini” returned property in Italy “Solarium...et Vallem Caumoniam” to the abbey[28]. "Rotberti rerum Sancti Martini abbatis, Guarnegaudi vicecomitis, Burchardi comitis, Fulconis, Ardradi vicecomitis..." subscribed the charter dated 22 Mar [891/92] which records the judgment at Tours in favour of Saint-Martin against Ricbert who had mistreated serfs[29]. It is uncertain whether the subscriber of these two charters is the same person as the future Foulques I Comte d’Anjou. The date of the earlier charter especially appears too early.] Vicomte d’Anjou: "Ardradus" donated "villam...Bainam...in pago Aurelianense" to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the soul of “genitoris mei domni Attonis”, with the consent of “frater meus Atto”, by charter dated 29 Sep 898, subscribed by “Attonis fratris sui vic[ecomitis, Gunberti avunculi ipsorum, Fulconis vicecomitis...”[30]. “...Attonis vicecomitis, Guarnegaudi vicecomitis, Fulconis vicecomitis” subscribed the charter dated 22 May 899 under which “Rotbertus...Sancti Martini abbas et comes” restored “cellam beati Clementis martyris” to Saint-Martin[31]. “...Attonis vicecomitis, Guarnegaudi vicecomitis, Fulconis vicecomitis, Rainaldi vicecomitis...” subscribed the charter dated 13 Sep 900 under which “Rotbertus...beati Martini abba...et comes” restored “cellulæ...Sancti Clementis”, previously donated by “predecessor noster domnus Odo germanus noster...tunc abbas deinde Francorum rex”, to Saint-Martin[32]. Vicomte de Tours: "Archambaldus et uxor mea Ingilrada" donated property "in pago Turonico in vicaria Evenense...in villa...Fontanas...in villa...Linarias" to Saint-Martin de Tours by charter dated 5 Jul 905, subscribed by “Fulconis Turonorum et Andecavorum vicecomitis, Gauzleni comitis et yppocomitis palatii...Guarnegaudi vicecomitis vel graphionis, Burchardi comitis vel graphionis...”[33]. It is possible that all these entries refer to the same Foulques.] FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou: "Domni Fulconis Andecavorum comitis, Tedbaldi Turonorum vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated 30 Oct 909 under which the testamentary executors of "domni Gauzuini" donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours[34]. “Domni Gauslini comitis, domni Ervei comitis, domni Gausberti comitis, domni Fulconis” subscribed the charter dated 13 Nov 912 under which “domnus Rotbertus Sancti Martini...atque...beati Martini Majoris...monastgerii...abba...et comes” confirmed the independence of Marmoutier abbey[35]. "Fulconis abbatis atque vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated Aug 924 under which "Fulculfus et conjux mea Eufrasia" donated property to Saint-Aubin d’Angers[36]. His lay abbacies are noted in the charter dated to [929/30] under which "Fulco Andecavorum comes abbas quoque Sancti Albini Sanctique Lizinii necnon et uxor mea Roscilla et filii mei Widdo ac Fulco" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers for the souls of "Ingelgerio genitore meo atque Ingelgerio filio meo necnon…Warnerio socro meo et uxore sua Tescenda"[37]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the burial of "Fulco Rufus" at "ecclesia beati Martini iuxta patrem suum"[38]. "Domni Fulconis et filii ipsius…quoque Fulconis" are named as present in a charter dated Aug 941 which records a lawsuit concerning land claimed by "sacerdos Sancti Martini…Tesmunnus"[39].
     "m ROSCILLE [de Loches], daughter of GARNIER Seigneur de Loches, Villentrasti et Haia & his wife Tescenda ---. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the marriage of Foulques and "de pago Turonico…Roscillam, Warnerii filiam", specifying that "Warnerius…filius Adalaudi" had three castles "in Turonico…Lochas atque Villentrasti et Haia" which Foulques later acquired[40]. "Falco comes Andecavorum iuvenis" names "uxor mea Roscila et filii mei Guido et Fulco" in a donation of property "pro anima Ingelgerii patris mei et iterum Ingelgerii filii mei et Vuarnerii soceri mei et uxoris suæ Tescendæ" by charter dated 929[41]. "Fulco Andecavorum comes abbas quoque Sancti Albini Sanctique Lizinii necnon et uxor mea Roscilla et filii mei Widdo ac Fulco" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers for the souls of "Ingelgerio genitore meo atque Ingelgerio filio meo necnon…Warnerio socro meo et uxore sua Tescenda" by charter dated to [929/30][42]."
Med Lands cites:
[27] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 63.
[28] Mabille ‘Les invasions normandes...’ (1869), Pièces Justificatives, V, p. 431.
[29] Mabille (1871), p. lx.
[30] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, II, p. xcii.
[31] Mabille ‘Les invasions normandes...’ (1869), Pièces Justificatives, VIII, p. 440.
[32] Mabille ‘Les invasions normandes...’ (1869), Pièces Justificatives, IX, p. 442.
[33] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, III, p. xciv.
[34] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, IV, p. xcvi.
[35] Mabille ‘Les invasions normandes...’ (1869), Pièces Justificatives, XII, p. 451.
[36] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, p. lxii.
[37] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome I, 177, p. 203.
[38] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 67.
[39] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, VIII, p. civ.
[40] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 65.
[41] Angers 33, p. 74.
[42] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome I, 177, p. 203.5


; Per Genealogy.EU: "Foulques I "le Roux", Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou (909-942), Cte de Nantes (908-919), Cte d'Anjou (929-941/2), *888, +941/2; m.before 5.7.905 Roscilla de "Loches" (*ca 874), dau.of Warnerius/Garnier, sn de Loches."1 He was Comte d'Anjou between 898 and 942.1,10

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Gâtinais et d’Anjou (& 1ers Plantagenêts), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Ingelger of Anjou (850–888), Find A Grave Memorial no. 144253898, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Angie Swann (contributor 48313732), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144253898/ingelger_of-anjou. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ingelger, Comte d'Anjou: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020231&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIdied941. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#Ingelgerdied888.
  7. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Adelais of Amboise of Anjou (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 189183095, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Our Family History (contributor 47719401), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189183095/adelais-of_anjou
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 3.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Foulques I, Comte d'Anjou: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020234&tree=LEO
  10. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulk_I,_Count_of_Anjou. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  11. [S602] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. 14, Ed. 1, Family #2699 (n.p.: Release date: October 20, 1997, unknown publish date).
  12. [S616] Inc. Br²derbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770 (n.p.: Release date: March 27, 1998, unknown publish date).
  13. [S630] Unknown author, Broderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 27 Jul 1997 (n.p.: n.pub., unknown publish date).
  14. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Fulk I “Le Roux” de Anjou (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 135451648, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Lutetia (contributor 46580078), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/135451648/fulk_i-de_anjou
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Foulques Ier d'Anjou: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foulques_Ier_d%27Anjou. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#RoscilleMAlainIIBretagnedied952.
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  18. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Sudeley Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  19. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#AdelaMGautierIValoisdied987.

Roscille/Roscilla de Loches Dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry1,2,3

F, #4842, b. circa 874, d. July 929
FatherGarnierGardier de Loches Seigneur de Loches1,2,4,5 b. c 844, d. 929
MotherTescandra (?) de Loches6,4,5 b. 860, d. 957
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited12 Aug 2020
     Roscille/Roscilla de Loches Dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry was born circa 874 at Loches, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France.2,7 She married Foulques I "le Roux" (?) Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou, Cte de Nantes, Cte d'Anjou, son of Ingelger I (?) vicomte d'Angers and AelindeAdelaide d'Amboise, before 5 July 905.8,9,10,1,2,11,3

Roscille/Roscilla de Loches Dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry died in July 929; Racines et Histoire says d. 938; Find A Grave says d. 7/929.2,7
Roscille/Roscilla de Loches Dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry was buried in July 929 at Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Loches, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
     DEATH     unknown, Angers, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
     Birth: 874
     Death: 7/929
     Countess of Anjou
     Family Members
     Parents
      Garnier des Loches
      Tescandra des Loches
     Spouse
      Fulk I de Anjou
     Children
      Fulk II of Anjou 909–960
      Adele d'Anjou Vexin 924–948
     BURIAL     Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 7 May 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 146168724.7
      ; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “Foulques 1er «Le Roux»° ~878/88 + 942 vicomte de Tours et d’Angers (909), comte d’Anjou (929, dès 898 ? investi par Robert, duc des Francs et roi en 922), s’empare du Maine, comte de Nantes (908-919)
     ép. avant 05/07/905 Roscilla de Loches, dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry ° ~874/887 + 938 (fille de Garnier, seigneur de Loches)”.12

; Per Genealogy.EU: "Foulques I "le Roux", Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou (909-942), Cte de Nantes (908-919), Cte d'Anjou (929-941/2), *888, +941/2; m.before 5.7.905 Roscilla de "Loches" (*ca 874), dau.of Warnerius/Garnier, sn de Loches."1

; Per Med Lands:
     "FOULQUES (-[Aug 941/942], bur Châteauneuf, église Saint-Martin). The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "Ingelgerius…filius eius Fulco cognominatus Rufus"[27]. [“Ademari comitis, Attonis vicecomitis...Guarnegaudi...Ragenaldi...Fulconis, Gauzfredi” subscribed the charter dated Apr 886 under which “Odo...comes et...abbas...Sancti Martini” returned property in Italy “Solarium...et Vallem Caumoniam” to the abbey[28]. "Rotberti rerum Sancti Martini abbatis, Guarnegaudi vicecomitis, Burchardi comitis, Fulconis, Ardradi vicecomitis..." subscribed the charter dated 22 Mar [891/92] which records the judgment at Tours in favour of Saint-Martin against Ricbert who had mistreated serfs[29]. It is uncertain whether the subscriber of these two charters is the same person as the future Foulques I Comte d’Anjou. The date of the earlier charter especially appears too early.] Vicomte d’Anjou: "Ardradus" donated "villam...Bainam...in pago Aurelianense" to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the soul of “genitoris mei domni Attonis”, with the consent of “frater meus Atto”, by charter dated 29 Sep 898, subscribed by “Attonis fratris sui vic[ecomitis, Gunberti avunculi ipsorum, Fulconis vicecomitis...”[30]. “...Attonis vicecomitis, Guarnegaudi vicecomitis, Fulconis vicecomitis” subscribed the charter dated 22 May 899 under which “Rotbertus...Sancti Martini abbas et comes” restored “cellam beati Clementis martyris” to Saint-Martin[31]. “...Attonis vicecomitis, Guarnegaudi vicecomitis, Fulconis vicecomitis, Rainaldi vicecomitis...” subscribed the charter dated 13 Sep 900 under which “Rotbertus...beati Martini abba...et comes” restored “cellulæ...Sancti Clementis”, previously donated by “predecessor noster domnus Odo germanus noster...tunc abbas deinde Francorum rex”, to Saint-Martin[32]. Vicomte de Tours: "Archambaldus et uxor mea Ingilrada" donated property "in pago Turonico in vicaria Evenense...in villa...Fontanas...in villa...Linarias" to Saint-Martin de Tours by charter dated 5 Jul 905, subscribed by “Fulconis Turonorum et Andecavorum vicecomitis, Gauzleni comitis et yppocomitis palatii...Guarnegaudi vicecomitis vel graphionis, Burchardi comitis vel graphionis...”[33]. It is possible that all these entries refer to the same Foulques.] FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou: "Domni Fulconis Andecavorum comitis, Tedbaldi Turonorum vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated 30 Oct 909 under which the testamentary executors of "domni Gauzuini" donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours[34]. “Domni Gauslini comitis, domni Ervei comitis, domni Gausberti comitis, domni Fulconis” subscribed the charter dated 13 Nov 912 under which “domnus Rotbertus Sancti Martini...atque...beati Martini Majoris...monastgerii...abba...et comes” confirmed the independence of Marmoutier abbey[35]. "Fulconis abbatis atque vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated Aug 924 under which "Fulculfus et conjux mea Eufrasia" donated property to Saint-Aubin d’Angers[36]. His lay abbacies are noted in the charter dated to [929/30] under which "Fulco Andecavorum comes abbas quoque Sancti Albini Sanctique Lizinii necnon et uxor mea Roscilla et filii mei Widdo ac Fulco" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers for the souls of "Ingelgerio genitore meo atque Ingelgerio filio meo necnon…Warnerio socro meo et uxore sua Tescenda"[37]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the burial of "Fulco Rufus" at "ecclesia beati Martini iuxta patrem suum"[38]. "Domni Fulconis et filii ipsius…quoque Fulconis" are named as present in a charter dated Aug 941 which records a lawsuit concerning land claimed by "sacerdos Sancti Martini…Tesmunnus"[39].
     "m ROSCILLE [de Loches], daughter of GARNIER Seigneur de Loches, Villentrasti et Haia & his wife Tescenda ---. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the marriage of Foulques and "de pago Turonico…Roscillam, Warnerii filiam", specifying that "Warnerius…filius Adalaudi" had three castles "in Turonico…Lochas atque Villentrasti et Haia" which Foulques later acquired[40]. "Falco comes Andecavorum iuvenis" names "uxor mea Roscila et filii mei Guido et Fulco" in a donation of property "pro anima Ingelgerii patris mei et iterum Ingelgerii filii mei et Vuarnerii soceri mei et uxoris suæ Tescendæ" by charter dated 929[41]. "Fulco Andecavorum comes abbas quoque Sancti Albini Sanctique Lizinii necnon et uxor mea Roscilla et filii mei Widdo ac Fulco" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers for the souls of "Ingelgerio genitore meo atque Ingelgerio filio meo necnon…Warnerio socro meo et uxore sua Tescenda" by charter dated to [929/30][42]."
Med Lands cites:
[27] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 63.
[28] Mabille ‘Les invasions normandes...’ (1869), Pièces Justificatives, V, p. 431.
[29] Mabille (1871), p. lx.
[30] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, II, p. xcii.
[31] Mabille ‘Les invasions normandes...’ (1869), Pièces Justificatives, VIII, p. 440.
[32] Mabille ‘Les invasions normandes...’ (1869), Pièces Justificatives, IX, p. 442.
[33] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, III, p. xciv.
[34] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, IV, p. xcvi.
[35] Mabille ‘Les invasions normandes...’ (1869), Pièces Justificatives, XII, p. 451.
[36] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, p. lxii.
[37] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome I, 177, p. 203.
[38] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 67.
[39] Mabille (1871), Pièces justificatives, VIII, p. civ.
[40] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 65.
[41] Angers 33, p. 74.
[42] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome I, 177, p. 203.3
GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ROSCILLE ). The Gesta Consulum Andegavensium records the marriage of Comte Foulques and "de pago Turonico…Roscillam, Warnerii filiam", specifying that "Warnerius…filius Adalaudi" had three castles "in Turonico…Lochas atque Villentrasti et Haia" which Foulques later acquired[247].
     "m FOULQUES, son of INGELGER & his wife Adelais --- (-[941/42]). Vicomte d'Anjou. Comte d'Anjou."
Med Lands cites:
[247] Gestis Consulum Andegavensium, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 65.4

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
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  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#RoscilleMFoulquesIAnjou
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  7. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Roscille des Loches (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 146168724, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146168724/roscille-des_loches
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Ingelger I (?) vicomte d'Angers1,2,3,4

M, #4843, b. between 845 and 850, d. 888
FatherTertulle/Foulques (?) comte d'Anjou1,2,5,3,4 d. 870
MotherPeronelle/Petronilla (?) D'Auxerre, Countess of Anjou1,2,6,3,4 b. c 825
ReferenceGAV30 EDV30
Last Edited30 Nov 2020
     Ingelger I (?) vicomte d'Angers was born between 845 and 850 at Rennes, Departement d'Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France; Genealogics says b. est. 835; Find A Grave says b. 850.7,1,2,6,8 He married AelindeAdelaide d'Amboise, daughter of Geoffroy I (?) Comte de Gâtinais, circa 869 at France.7,1,2,8,9,6,10,3

Ingelger I (?) vicomte d'Angers died in 888 at St. Martin, Departement d'Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France (now).7,2,6,1,8
Ingelger I (?) vicomte d'Angers was buried in 888 at Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     850, Rennes, Departement d'Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
     DEATH     888 (aged 37–38), Departement d'Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
     b. 850, d. 888. Ingelger (or Ingelgarius) was a Frankish nobleman, who was the founder of the County of Anjou and of the original House of Anjou. Contemporary records refer to Ingelger as a miles optimus, a great military man.
     Around 877 he inherited his father Tertullus's lands in accordance with the Capitulary of Quierzy which Charles the Bald had issued. His father's holdings from the king included Château-Landon in beneficium, and he was a casatus in the Gâtinais and Francia. Contemporary records refer to Ingelger as a miles optimus, a great military man
     He married Adelais, whose maternal uncles were Adalard, Archbishop of Tours, and Raino, Bishop of Angers. Later Ingelger was appointed prefect (military commander) at Tours, then ruled by Adalard.
     At some point Ingelger was appointed Count of Anjou, at a time when the county stretched only as far west as the Mayenne River.
     Family Members
     Parents
      Tertullus De GâTinais
      Petronelle d'Auxerre d'Anjou
     Spouse
      Adelais of Amboise of Anjou
     Children
      Fulk I de Anjou
     BURIAL     Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
     Created by: Angie Swann
     Added: 27 Mar 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 144253898.6
      ; This is the same person as ”Ingelger” at Wikipedia and as ”Ingelger” at Wikipédia (FR).11,12 GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

; Per Genealogics:
     "Ingelger was a Frankish nobleman who stands at the head of the Plantagenet dynasty. Later generations of his family believed he was the son of Tertulle and Petronilla. He was born in Rennes.
     "Around 877 he inherited his father Tertulle's lands in accordance with the Capitulary of Quierzy which Emperor Charles 'the Bald' had issued. His father's holdings from the king included Château-Landon _in beneficium,_ and he was a _casatus_ in the Gâtinais and Francia. Contemporary records refer to Ingelger as a _miles optimus,_ a great military man.
     "Later family tradition makes his mother a relative of Hugues the Abbot, an influential counsellor of both Louis II and Louis III of France, from whom he received preferment. By Louis II, Ingelger was appointed viscount of Orléans, which was under the rule of its bishops at the time. At Orléans Ingelger made a matrimonial alliance with one of the leading families of Neustria, the lords of Amboise. He married Aelinde, daughter of Geoffroy I, comte de Gâtinais; her maternal uncles were Adalard, archbishop of Tours, and Raino, bishop of Angers. Later Ingelger was appointed prefect (military commander) at Tours, then ruled by Adalard.
     "At some point Ingelger was appointed count of Anjou, at a time when the county stretched only as far west as the Mayenne River. Later sources credit his appointment to his defence of the region from Vikings, but modern scholars have been more likely to see it as a result of his wife's influential relatives. He was buried in the Church of Saint-Martin at Châteauneuf-sur-Sarthe. He was succeeded by his son Foulques I 'the Red', who would have progeny."8

Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 139
     2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/1:116
     3. Henry Project , Baldwin, Stewart.8 He was vicomte d'Angers.2

; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “Ingelger° ~845/50 + ~888 vicomte d’Angers (~870)
     ép. ~878 Adèle (Adelais, Aelinde, Rescinde) de Buzançais (ou d’Amboise) ° ~844 (fille de Foulques, vicomte d’Angers, et de ? d’Amboise ; nièce d’Adalhard, Evêque de Tours, et de Raino, Evêque d’Angers)”.4

; Per Med Lands:
     "INGELGER, son of [TERTULLUS & his wife Petronilla of Burgundy] (-[888], bur Châteauneuf, église Saint-Martin). Foulque I "le Roux" Comte d’Anjou names "Ingelgerio genitore meo…" in a charter dated to [929/30][17]. There is doubt whether the other references to Ingelger, which follow, accurately reflect the historical reality of his life. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "Ingelgerius" as son of "Tertullus nobilem dux" and his wife[18]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "Ingelgerius…iuvenis filius Tortulfi"[19]. The Chronico Turonensi names "Ingelgerius comes Andergavensis" as "nepos Hugonis Ducis Burgundiæ"[20]. The Historia Comitum Andegavorum records that Louis II "le Bègue" King of the West Franks, therefore dated to [877/79], granted "dimidium Andegavis comitatum" to "Ingelgerius"[21]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records that Ingelger died from "focositatem, phthisim et hydropisim"[22]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the burial of "Ingelgerius" at "ecclesia beati Martini Castrinovi"[23].
     "m ADELAIS, niece of ADALHARD Archbishop of Tours and of RAINO Bishop of Angers, daughter of ---. The Historia Comitum Andegavorum records that Ingelger married "Rursus Adelardus et Raymo ambo germani fratres, Turonensium et Andegavensium pontifices, neptem suam Aelindis" and that her dowry consisted of "alodiis suis…Ambazio, Busenciaco et Castellione"[24]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records that Ingelger married "Landonensis castri sive Gastinensis pagi consul nomine Gaufredus…filiam unicam…Adelam", and thereby inherited "Landonensi castro" as she was the heir of her father who had no surviving male issue[25], but this text may confuse Ingelger's wife with the first wife of Comte Foulques II "le Bon" (see below). The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records that, after the death of her husband, Adelais was unjustly accused of adultery by a group of nobles led by "Guntrannus parens Ingelgerii" but later exonerated[26]. "
Med Lands cites:
[17] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome I, 177, p. 203.
[18] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 36.
[19] Gestis Consulum Andegavensium, RHGF IX, p. 27.
[20] Chronico Turonensi, RHGF IX, p. 47.
[21] Chroniques d'Anjou, Historia comitum Andegavensium, p. 320.
[22] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 41.
[23] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 63.
[24] Historia Comitum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 320.
[25] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, pp. 40-1.
[26] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, pp. 41-4.3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#Ingelgerdied888. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Gâtinais et d’Anjou (& 1ers Plantagenêts), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf
  5. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Tertullus De GâTinais (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 146406423, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Angie Swann (contributor 48313732): at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146406423/tertullus-de_g_tinais. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  6. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Ingelger of Anjou (850–888), Find A Grave Memorial no. 144253898, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Angie Swann (contributor 48313732), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144253898/ingelger_of-anjou
  7. [S602] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. 14, Ed. 1, Family #2699 (n.p.: Release date: October 20, 1997, unknown publish date).
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ingelger, Comte d'Anjou: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020231&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  9. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Adelais of Amboise of Anjou (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 189183095, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Our Family History (contributor 47719401), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189183095/adelais-of_anjou
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aelinde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020232&tree=LEO
  11. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingelger. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  12. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Ingelger: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingelger. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIdied941.

AelindeAdelaide d'Amboise1

F, #4844, b. circa 844
FatherGeoffroy I (?) Comte de Gâtinais2
ReferenceGAV30 EDV30
Last Edited30 Nov 2020
     AelindeAdelaide d'Amboise was born at Gatinais, France.3,4 She was born circa 844 at Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now).5,6 She married Ingelger I (?) vicomte d'Angers, son of Tertulle/Foulques (?) comte d'Anjou and Peronelle/Petronilla (?) D'Auxerre, Countess of Anjou, circa 869 at France.5,1,6,7,8,9,10,11

AelindeAdelaide d'Amboise was buried at Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     unknown
     Adelais of Amboise - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Adelais of Amboise (sometimes called Aelinde) (fl. 865), came from an influential Frankish family in the Loire Valley. Through her mother, whose name is unknown, she was the niece of Adelard, Archbishop of Tours, and Raino, Bishop of Angers.[1] In 865, her uncles arranged a marriage for her to a Frankish man named Ingelger, described as a miles optimus,[2] whose devotion to Charles the Bald had been rewarded with land and military commands.[3] Adelais’ dowry included Buzençais, Châtillon-sur-Indre, and the fortress of Amboise,[4] which ultimately grew to be the royal residence known as the Château d'Amboise. Adelais and Ingelger, who has been identified as either a viscount[5] or the first count[6] of Anjou, were the parents of Fulk the Red, who became the first hereditary count of Anjou.[7] According to the Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, “after the death of her husband, Adelais was unjustly accused of adultery by a group of nobles led by ‘Guntrannus parens Ingelgerii’ but later exonerated.”[8] Geoffrey of Anjou, founder of England’s Plantagenet dynasty, traced his ancestry to Adelais and Ingelger.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelais_of_Amboise
     Family Members
     Spouse
      Ingelger of Anjou 850–888
     Children
      Fulk I de Anjou
     BURIAL     Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
     Created by: Our Family History
     Added: 26 Apr 2018
     Find A Grave Memorial 189183095.8
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "INGELGER, son of [TERTULLUS & his wife Petronilla of Burgundy] (-[888], bur Châteauneuf, église Saint-Martin). Foulque I "le Roux" Comte d’Anjou names "Ingelgerio genitore meo…" in a charter dated to [929/30][17]. There is doubt whether the other references to Ingelger, which follow, accurately reflect the historical reality of his life. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "Ingelgerius" as son of "Tertullus nobilem dux" and his wife[18]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "Ingelgerius…iuvenis filius Tortulfi"[19]. The Chronico Turonensi names "Ingelgerius comes Andergavensis" as "nepos Hugonis Ducis Burgundiæ"[20]. The Historia Comitum Andegavorum records that Louis II "le Bègue" King of the West Franks, therefore dated to [877/79], granted "dimidium Andegavis comitatum" to "Ingelgerius"[21]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records that Ingelger died from "focositatem, phthisim et hydropisim"[22]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the burial of "Ingelgerius" at "ecclesia beati Martini Castrinovi"[23].
     "m ADELAIS, niece of ADALHARD Archbishop of Tours and of RAINO Bishop of Angers, daughter of ---. The Historia Comitum Andegavorum records that Ingelger married "Rursus Adelardus et Raymo ambo germani fratres, Turonensium et Andegavensium pontifices, neptem suam Aelindis" and that her dowry consisted of "alodiis suis…Ambazio, Busenciaco et Castellione"[24]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records that Ingelger married "Landonensis castri sive Gastinensis pagi consul nomine Gaufredus…filiam unicam…Adelam", and thereby inherited "Landonensi castro" as she was the heir of her father who had no surviving male issue[25], but this text may confuse Ingelger's wife with the first wife of Comte Foulques II "le Bon" (see below). The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records that, after the death of her husband, Adelais was unjustly accused of adultery by a group of nobles led by "Guntrannus parens Ingelgerii" but later exonerated[26]. "
Med Lands cites:
[17] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome I, 177, p. 203.
[18] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 36.
[19] Gestis Consulum Andegavensium, RHGF IX, p. 27.
[20] Chronico Turonensi, RHGF IX, p. 47.
[21] Chroniques d'Anjou, Historia comitum Andegavensium, p. 320.
[22] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 41.
[23] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 63.
[24] Historia Comitum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, p. 320.
[25] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, pp. 40-1.
[26] Chronica de Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, Chroniques d'Anjou, pp. 41-4.11


; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “Ingelger° ~845/50 + ~888 vicomte d’Angers (~870)
     ép. ~878 Adèle (Adelais, Aelinde, Rescinde) de Buzançais (ou d’Amboise) ° ~844 (fille de Foulques, vicomte d’Angers, et de ? d’Amboise ; nièce d’Adalhard, Evêque de Tours, et de Raino, Evêque d’Angers)”.12 GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

; Adelais/Aelinde/Rescinde d'Amboise (*ca 844), niece of Adalhard, Bp of Tours and of Raino, Bp of Angers.1

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 139.10 AelindeAdelaide d'Amboise was also known as Adele de Gatinais.

; niece of Adalhard, bishop of Tours, and of Raino, bishop of Angers.6 AelindeAdelaide d'Amboise was also known as Adele de Buzancais.6

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy I, Comte de Gâtinais: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020233&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S630] Unknown author, Broderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 27 Jul 1997 (n.p.: n.pub., unknown publish date).
  4. [S628] Inc. Br²derbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. 19, Ed. 1, Family 0671 (n.p.: Release date: March 13, 1998, unknown publish date).
  5. [S602] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. 14, Ed. 1, Family #2699 (n.p.: Release date: October 20, 1997, unknown publish date).
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ingelger, Comte d'Anjou: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020231&tree=LEO
  8. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Adelais of Amboise of Anjou (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 189183095, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Our Family History (contributor 47719401), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189183095/adelais-of_anjou. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  9. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Ingelger of Anjou (850–888), Find A Grave Memorial no. 144253898, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Angie Swann (contributor 48313732), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144253898/ingelger_of-anjou
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aelinde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020232&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#Ingelgerdied888. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
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  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#FoulquesIdied941.

Tertulle/Foulques (?) comte d'Anjou1,2

M, #4845, d. 870
FatherTorquat (?) de Rennes, Count of Bourges & Nevers1,2,3 b. 823, d. 870
ReferenceGAV31 EDV31
Last Edited30 Nov 2020
     Tertulle/Foulques (?) comte d'Anjou married Peronelle/Petronilla (?) D'Auxerre, Countess of Anjou, daughter of Hugo Abbas (?) Archbishop of Koln; Cte d'Auxerre, de Tours et d'Angers, Margrave of Neustria.1,2,3

Tertulle/Foulques (?) comte d'Anjou was buried in 870 at Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Rennes, Departement d'Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
     DEATH     unknown, Fontainebleau, Departement de Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
     Son of Torquatius of Reims. , b. 823 in Rennes, Bretagne, France; d. 870 in Chateau Landon, Fontainebleau, Seine Et Marne,Ile De France,France. m. 844 Petronelle d'Auxerre, Countess of Anjou. Daughter of Hugo "l'abbe" Capet. Tertullus & Petronelle had one child: Ingelger. According to the legend, Tertulf was a hunter and outlaw who lived in the woods. At the time the Danes were ravaging France, he joined Charles the Bald in defending France against the Norsemen. He was rewarded with land.
     Family Members
     Parents
      Torquatius Of Reims 823–870
     Spouse
      Petronelle d'Auxerre d'Anjou
     Children
      Ingelger of Anjou 850–888
     BURIAL     Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
     Created by: Angie Swann
     Added: 12 May 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 146406423.3
Tertulle/Foulques (?) comte d'Anjou died in 870 at Chateau Landon, Fontainebleau, Departement de Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France.3
     GAV-31 EDV-31 GKJ-32.

; One Tertulle (Ct of Anjou), fl 821 (maybe a son of Torquat/Tortulfe de Rennes); m.Petronilla de France (*825), possible dau.of Hugo "Le Abbe", illegitimate son of Charlemagne.1 Tertulle/Foulques (?) comte d'Anjou was also known as Tertullus (?) de Gâtinais.3

; per WFT L1-0021: "Seneschal Of The Gatinais."4 He was living in 821.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Tertullus De GâTinais (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 146406423, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Angie Swann (contributor 48313732): at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146406423/tertullus-de_g_tinais. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  4. [S616] Inc. Br²derbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770 (n.p.: Release date: March 27, 1998, unknown publish date).
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#Ingelgerdied888. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Gâtinais et d’Anjou (& 1ers Plantagenêts), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf

Peronelle/Petronilla (?) D'Auxerre, Countess of Anjou1,2

F, #4846, b. circa 825
FatherHugo Abbas (?) Archbishop of Koln; Cte d'Auxerre, de Tours et d'Angers, Margrave of Neustria d. 12 May 886; Genealogy.EU (Anjou 1 page) says "possible daughter of Hugo"1,2,3,4
ReferenceGAV31 EDV31
Last Edited30 Nov 2020
     Peronelle/Petronilla (?) D'Auxerre, Countess of Anjou was born circa 825 at Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany (now).5,2,3 She married Tertulle/Foulques (?) comte d'Anjou, son of Torquat (?) de Rennes, Count of Bourges & Nevers.1,2,6

Peronelle/Petronilla (?) D'Auxerre, Countess of Anjou was buried at Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
     DEATH     unknown, Angers, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
     Birth:
     Death:845
     Countess of Anjou
     Family Members
     Parents
      Hugh Welf unknown–886
     Spouse
      Tertullus De GâTinais
     Children
      Ingelger of Anjou 850–888
     BURIAL     Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 28 May 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 147096299.3
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: Petronilla de France (*825), possible dau.of Hugo "Le Abbe", illegitimate son of Charlemagne.1 GAV-31 EDV-31 GKJ-32.

;      There is some dispute as to the father of Petronilla/Petronelle who m. Tertulle. Genealogy.EU says that she was the dau. of Hugo "Le Abbe" (Hugo, Abbot of St. Quintin, 802-844), an illeitimate son of Charlemagne (hereinafter Hugo #2). However, Find A Grave's memorial for Petronilla/Petronelle (#147096299) says that her father was Hugo "The Abbot" Welf (unk-886), a son of Conrad I of Auxerre (hereinafter Hugo #2).
     Two articles in Wikipedia on Hugo #1 (Abbot of Saint-Quentin and son of Charlemagne), and Hugo #2 (unk-886) discusses the confusion and assigns Petronilla/Petronelle as the dau. of Hugo #2 and thus granddau. of Conrad I.
Per Wikipedia - Hugo #1:
     Hugh (abbot of Saint-Quentin) - Hugh (802–844) was the illegitimate son of Charlemagne and his concubine Regina, with whom he had one other son: Bishop Drogo of Metz (801–855). Along with Drogo and his illegitimate half-brother Theodoric, Hugh was tonsured and sent from the palace of Aachen to a monastery in 818 by his father's successor, Louis the Pious, following the revolt of King Bernard of Italy.[1] Hugh rose to become abbot of several abbacies: Saint-Quentin (822/23), Lobbes (836), and Saint-Bertin (836). In 834,[1] he was made imperial archchancellor by his half-brother.[2]
     On Louis's death in 840, his sons began to fight over the inheritance. In 841, Hugh sided with his nephew Charles the Bald against Louis and Lothair.[3] In 842, Charles spent Christmas with Hugh at Saint-Quentin on his eastern frontier.[4] Hugh's interventions probably secured Saint-Quentin for Charles's kingdom in the division that came with the Treaty of Verdun (843).[5]
     Hugh was part of the small army which, on its way south to join Charles at Toulouse, was ambushed by Pippin II in the Angoumois on 14 June 844. Hugh was killed by a lance, and according to the anonymous verse lament composed about his death—called the Rhythmus de obitu Hugonis abbatis or Planctus Ugoni abbatis[6]—Charles wept over his body.[7][8]
     Hugh is sometimes confused with Hugh the Abbot, resulting in the erroneous claim that he had a daughter, Petronilla, who married Tertullus of Anjou, the semi-legendary father of Ingelger, first count of Anjou. The late accounts of the Angevin origins actually make Petronilla a kinswoman of Hugh the Abbot, not of Charlemagne's son. (emphasis added)
Notes
1. McKitterick 1983, p. 134.
2. McKitterick 1983, p. 84.
3. Nelson 1992, p. 121.
4. Nelson 1992, p. 131.
5. Nelson 1992, p. 134.
6. MGH, Poetae II, p. 139.
7. Nelson 1992, p. 141.
8. McKitterick 1983, p. 294.
Sources
-- McKitterick, Rosamond (1983). The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians, 751–987. London: Longman.
-- Nelson, J. L. (1992). Charles the Bald. London: Longman.
Per Wikipedia - Hugo #2:
     Hugh the Abbot (died 12 May 886) was a member of the Welf family, a son of Conrad I of Auxerre and Adelaide. After his father's death, his mother apparently married Robert the Strong, the margrave of Neustria. On Robert's death in 866, Hugh became the regent and guardian for Robert's sons, Odo and Robert.
     Hugh entered the monastery and rose to become abbot of Saint-Germain d'Auxerre. Despite his vows, he was no peaceful, contemplative monk but the epitome of the warrior-monk of his age. King Charles the Bald sent him on a military expedition to the Nivernais. One can see in this the clerical tendency to support the reigning dynasty against the great vassals. Hugh welcomed Charles when the king had to flee during an 858 invasion of Louis the German, when his vassals refused him aid and rebelled under Robert the Strong. When Robert regained favour, Hugh was exiled to Lotharingia, where he became archbishop of Cologne (864). He was called back to France soon, however.
     In 866, upon Robert's death, Hugh received all the former's abbacies, including Noirmoutiers and Saint-Martin de Tours, counties, including Tours, and the margraviate between the Seine and the Loire (Neustria). The only lands the sons of Robert inherited were in Beauce and Touraine. Despite being Robert's opponent during his life, after his death Hugh became the guardian of Robert's children. Hugh was endued with great political sense and fought the Vikings vigorously. He was the archchaplain of the royal court and one of the chief ministers of the joint-kings Louis III and Carloman. Hugh tried to maintain the alliance of the related Carolingian monarchs against the Vikings. He united all the Carolingian kingdoms against the usurper Boso of Provence. He supported Charles the Fat on his succession to West Francia in 884, but he died before he could lend aid to the defence of Paris during the siege of 885–86.
Sources
-- MacLean, Simon. Kingship and Politics in the Late Ninth Century: Charles the Fat and the end of the Carolingian Empire. Cambridge University Press: 2003.1,7,8,3,9,10

Family

Tertulle/Foulques (?) comte d'Anjou d. 870
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Petronelle d'Auxerre d'Anjou (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 147096299, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147096299/petronelle-d_anjou. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  4. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_the_Abbot. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  5. [S602] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. 14, Ed. 1, Family #2699 (n.p.: Release date: October 20, 1997, unknown publish date).
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  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugo (#1) - Hugo, Abbot of St.Quintin, Chancellor of Louis the Pious: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020024&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugo (#2) - Hugo, Archbishop of Köln: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020417&tree=LEO
  9. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, Hugo #2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_the_Abbot
  10. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, Hugo #1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_(abbot_of_Saint-Quentin).
  11. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Ingelger of Anjou (850–888), Find A Grave Memorial no. 144253898, citing Basilique de St-Martin, Tours, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France ; Maintained by Angie Swann (contributor 48313732), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144253898/ingelger_of-anjou
  12. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#Ingelgerdied888. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  13. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Gâtinais et d’Anjou (& 1ers Plantagenêts), p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf

GarnierGardier de Loches Seigneur de Loches1

M, #4847, b. circa 844, d. 929
FatherAdalard de Loches Comte de Loches2,1 b. 820, d. 864
ReferenceGAV30 EDV30
Last Edited12 Aug 2020
     GarnierGardier de Loches Seigneur de Loches married Tescandra (?) de Loches.3,1
GarnierGardier de Loches Seigneur de Loches was born circa 844 at Loches, Departement d'Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France.4
GarnierGardier de Loches Seigneur de Loches died in 929.4
     GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

; Per Med Lands:
     "GARNIER . The Gesta Consulum Andegavensium names "Guarnerius…filius Adalaudi, illius scilicet Carolus Calvus Lochas dedit… [et] Ambasium"[244].
     "m TESCENDA, daughter of ---. "Falco comes Andecavorum iuvenis" names "uxor mea Roscila et filii mei Guido et Fulco" in a donation of property "pro anima Ingelgerii patris mei et iterum Ingelgerii filii mei et Vuarnerii soceri mei et uxoris suæ Tescendæ" by charter dated 929[245]. "Fulco Andecavorum comes abbas quoque Sancti Albini Sanctique Lizinii necnon et uxor mea Roscilla et filii mei Widdo ac Fulco" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers for the souls of "…Warnerio socro meo et uxore sua Tescenda" by charter dated to [929/30][246]."
Med Lands cites:
[244] Marchegay, P. and Salmon, A. (eds.) (1856) Chroniques d’Anjou (Paris), Gestis Consulum Andegavensium, p. 65.
[245] Urseau, C. (ed.) (1908) Cartulaire noir de la cathédrale d'Angers (Paris, Angers) 33, p. 74.
[246] Broussillon, B. de (ed.) (1903) Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Aubin d'Angers (Paris), 177, p. 203.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc371156049. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Adalard des Loches (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 165391675, ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664) Non-Cemetery Burial, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/165391675/adalard-des_loches. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  3. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Tescandra des Loches (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 147090561, ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664) Unknown, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147090561/tescandra-des_loches
  4. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 13 October 2019), memorial page for Garnier des Loches (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 147090669, ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664) Unknown, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147090669/garnier-des_loches
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 1 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou1.html#Erm
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#RoscilleMFoulquesIAnjou

Robert I (?) de Vermandois, Comte de Meaux et Troyes1,2,3,4

M, #4848, b. between 910 and 915, d. 19 August 968
FatherHeribert II (?) Cte de Vermandois et de Troyes5,6,7,8,4,9,10 b. bt 879 - 880, d. 23 Feb 943
MotherAdela/Hildebrante/Liegarde (?) of Neustria, Princess of France3,6,9,11 b. c 895, d. a 931
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Robert I (?) de Vermandois, Comte de Meaux et Troyes was born between 910 and 915 at Vermandois, Normandy, France.6 He married Adélaïde/Adelheid/Wera (?) de Bourgogne, Heiress of Troyes, daughter of Giselbert (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Comte de Châlons sur Saône and Ermengarde de Autun Css d'Autun, circa 950 at France.3,4,6,9,12,13,14

Robert I (?) de Vermandois, Comte de Meaux et Troyes died on 19 August 968; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says d. 29 Aug 968.3,6
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ROBERT de Vermandois, son of HERIBERT [II] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adela [Capet] (-after 19 Jun 966). "Rodberti filium Heriberti comitis" witnessed a charter of "Gauzfredus comes" dated Jul 940[20]. Under the division of the territories organised subsequent to his father's death in 943, Robert became Comte de Meaux. He became Comte de Troyes in 956 on the death of his father-in-law, by right of his wife. Richer names "Robertus Trecarum princeps, Heriberti tiranni filius, Hugonis vero abdicate frater" when recording his rebellion against King Lothaire and capture of Dijon in 959[21]. The Chronicon Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensis records that “Rotbertum comitem” expelled “Ansegisum Trecarum Episcopus” who sought refuge “in Saxoniam ad Ottonem Imperatorem”, dated to 959[22]. Otto I King of Germany sent his son Bruno to besiege Troyes, and King Lothar attacked Dijon which capitulated in 960[23]. "Gaufridus…Andecavorum comes" issued a charter dated 19 Jun 966 subscribed by "Roberti comitis Trecassinorum…"[24].
     "m (before 950) [as her first husband,] ADELAIS [Wera], daughter of GISELBERT Duc des Bourguignons, Comte de Chalon-sur-Saône et de Troyes & his wife Ermengarde [of Burgundy] ([930/35]-after Aug 967). "Trecassine urbis comitem Robertum" donated land to "Gratianum abbatem monasterii Sancti Petri Dervensis" by charter dated 6 Aug 959, signed by "Adelais comitisse, Erberti filii eorum, Walterii vicecomitis"[25]. The Chronicon of Odorannus records the death in 956 of “Gislebertus comes Burgundionem”, adding that “honorem eius cum filia...Leudegarde...” was received by “Otho frater Hugonis ducis” and that “aliam...filiam...Werram” married “Robertus comes Trecasinorum”[26]. It is unclear why these two sources refer to the wife of Comte Robert by different names, as "Adelais comitisse" who signed the 959 charter must have been the same person as the wife of Robert named in 956 because the former document also refers to "Erberti filii eorum". It is possible that the reference to "Werram" is a transcription error as no other reference to this name has been found in other contemporary French sources. Her birth date range is estimated from her own daughter's estimated birth date of [950]."
Med lands cites:
[20] Cluny, Tome I, 511, p. 496.
[21] Richer III.XI, p. 12.
[22] Chronicon Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensis, Spicilegium II, p. 470.
[23] Settipani (1993), p. 231.
[24] Angers Saint-Aubin, 2, p. 4.
[25] Montiéramey 14, p. 19.
[26] Odoranni monachi Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensis Chronicon, Patrologia Latina, Vol. 142, col. 772.9


; This is the same person as ”Robert” at The Henry Project.4

; Per Genealogics: "Robert was born between 910 and 915, the son of Heribert II, comte de Meaux, Soissons et Vermandois, and Adela of Neustria. Mentioned in documents from 940, Robert obtained the county of Meaux in the partition of his father's lands in 946, three years after his death. By his marriage about 950 to Adelheid de Bourgogne, heiress of Troyes, daughter of Giselbert, duc de Bourgogne, comte de Châlons sur Saône, and Ermengard de Autun, he received the county of Troyes. The union of these two counties was the origin of the county of Champagne. In 959 Robert captured the city of Dijon and drove out the bishop, but he was attacked in 960 by Lothar I, king of France, and Emperor Otto I 'the Great', and had to submit. Robert and Adelheid had a son Heribert and daughter Adelais. Only Adelais would have progeny, marrying Geoffrey I, comte d'Anjou. Robert died on 19 August 967, and was succeeded by Heribert."6

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 148.6

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Robert of Vermandois (c.?907 – c.?967/8) was Count of Meaux and Count of Troyes, succeeding his father, Herbert II, Count of Vermandois and his wife, Adele (Liégarde) of France[1], daughter of Robert I of France.[2] Paternal descent of Pepin of Italy, son of Charlemagne.
     "He was married to Adelais (914–967) of Burgundy, daughter of Giselbert, Duke of Burgundy. They had two children:
** Herbert III, Count of Meaux (c.?935 – 995)
** Adele of Meaux (c.?935 – c.?982)[1][Note 1]

Notes
1. According to Bachrach, Fulk Nerra, the Neo-Roman Consul, pages 9, 273, Adele's father was Herbert II, Count of Vermandois.
References
1. Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilband 1 (Marburg, Germany: J. A. Stargardt, 1984), Tafel 49.
2. The Annals of Flodoard of Reims, 919–966, eds. Steven Fanning; Bernard S. Bachrach (Toronto: University of Toronto Press Inc., 2011), p. 21 n. 77"

Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
     "Robert Ier de Vermandois1, né avant 920, mort en 29 août 966, fut comte de Meaux de 946 à 966 et de Troyes de 956 à 966. Il était fils d'Herbert II, comte de Vermandois, et d'Adèle de France.
     "Cité dès 940, il n'obtient le comté de Meaux qu'au moment du partage des terres de son père, en 946, c’est-à-dire trois ans après sa mort. Par mariage il reçoit le comté de Troyes, l'union de ces deux comtés étant à l'origine du comté de Champagne. En 959, il s'empare de la ville de Dijon et en chasse l'évêque, mais il est attaqué en 960 par les rois Lothaire de France et Otton de Germanie et doit se soumettre.
Mariage et enfants
     "Il avait épousé peu avant 950 Adélaïde, dite Werra, fille de Gilbert, comte principal des Bourguignons, de Châlon, de Beaune, d'Autun, de Troyes et de Dijon, et d'Ermengarde. Ils avaient eu :
** Herbert IV (v.950 mort en 995 ou 996), comte de Meaux, de Troyes et d'Omois
** Adèle (v.950 morte en 974), mariée vers 965 avec Geoffroy Ier Grisegonelle (mort en 987), comte d'Anjou
** D'après Christian Settipani, Adelais de Troyes2, mariée vers 970 avec Charles, duc de Basse-Lotharingie.

     "Adèle a longtemps été considérée comme la sœur de Robert, mais les éléments qui aboutissaient à cette conclusion se sont révélés insuffisants. Dernièrement, l'historien Karl Ferdinand Werner a montré qu'Adèle était plutôt la fille de Robert.
Notes et références
1. (en) Généalogie de Robert de Vermandois [archive] sur le site Medieval Lands
2. Adelais de Troyes sur le site Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [archive]
Source
** Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens (Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1), Villeneuve-d'Ascq, éd. Patrick van Kerrebrouck, 1993, 545 p. (ISBN 978-2-95015-093-6.)15,16" GAV-28.

; Per Genealogy.EU: "F6. Cte Robert de Vermandois, Cte de Meaux et Troyes, *ca 918, +29.8.968; m.by 950 Adelais (Wera) de Vergy (*914 +967), dau.of Giselbert of Burgundy."17

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Robert de Meaux ° ~918 + 29/08/967/68 comte de Meaux et Troyes (956)
     ép. ~950 Adélaïde Werra de Vergy ° 914 + 967 (fille de Giselbert de Chalon.)18" He was Comte de Meaux between 946 and 967.4,15 He was Comte de Troyes (jure uxoris) between 956 and 966.4,6

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 269. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Vermandois: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020191&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  4. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Robert: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rober005.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020191&tree=LEO
  7. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Heribert II: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/herib002.htm
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#HeribertIIdied943B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamtroyes.htm#Robertdied967
  10. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Heribert II: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herib002.htm
  11. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, NN: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/nn000002.htm
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid|Wera de Bourgogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020192&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm#AdelaideM1RobertMeauxM2LambertM3Geoffroy
  14. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adélaïde alias Werra: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/adela001.htm
  15. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_of_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  16. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Robert Ier de Meaux: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ier_de_Meaux. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  17. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  18. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020194&tree=LEO
  20. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adèle de Troyes: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/adele001.htm
  21. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamtroyes.htm#ArchambaudSensdied968

Adélaïde/Adelheid/Wera (?) de Bourgogne, Heiress of Troyes1,2,3

F, #4849, b. between 930 and 935, d. 19 August 967
FatherGiselbert (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Comte de Châlons sur Saône1,4,5,6,3 b. c 890, d. 8 Apr 956
MotherErmengarde de Autun Css d'Autun4,5,7,3 b. c 893
ReferenceGAV28 EDV29
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Adélaïde/Adelheid/Wera (?) de Bourgogne, Heiress of Troyes was born between 930 and 935 at Bourgogne, Marneogne, France.1,5 She married Robert I (?) de Vermandois, Comte de Meaux et Troyes, son of Heribert II (?) Cte de Vermandois et de Troyes and Adela/Hildebrante/Liegarde (?) of Neustria, Princess of France, circa 950 at France.1,8,9,10,4,5,3

Adélaïde/Adelheid/Wera (?) de Bourgogne, Heiress of Troyes died on 19 August 967; The Henry Project says d. prob. aft 19 Jun 966.1,3
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: "F6. Cte Robert de Vermandois, Cte de Meaux et Troyes, *ca 918, +29.8.968; m.by 950 Adelais (Wera) de Vergy (*914 +967), dau.of Giselbert of Burgundy."11

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Robert de Meaux ° ~918 + 29/08/967/68 comte de Meaux et Troyes (956)
     ép. ~950 Adélaïde Werra de Vergy ° 914 + 967 (fille de Giselbert de Chalon.)12" GAV-28 EDV-29 GKJ-29. Adélaïde/Adelheid/Wera (?) de Bourgogne, Heiress of Troyes was also known as AdelaisAdelaide de Challons, Countess of Vermandois.13 Adélaïde/Adelheid/Wera (?) de Bourgogne, Heiress of Troyes lived at an unknown place ; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELAIS [Wera] ([930/35]-). "Gislebertus…comes Heduensis" granted property to "suo fidele Guitbaldus…nec non eius coniuge Rutrudis" by charter dated 11 Dec 934, signed by "Gisleberti comitis, Ermengardi, Adaledis filiam eorum…"[74]. The Chronicon of Odorannus records the death in 956 of “Gislebertus comes Burgundionem”, adding that “honorem eius cum filia...Leudegarde...” was received by “Otho frater Hugonis ducis” and that “aliam...filiam...Werram” married “Robertus comes Trecasinorum”[75]. "Trecassine urbis comitem Robertum" donated land to "Gratianum abbatem monasterii Sancti Petri Dervensis" by charter dated 6 Aug 959, signed by "Adelais comitisse, Erberti filii eorum, Walterii vicecomitis"[76]. It is unclear why these two sources refer to the wife of Comte Robert by different names, as "Adelais comitisse" who signed the 959 charter must have been the same person as the wife of Robert named in 956 because the former document also refers to "Erberti filii eorum". It is possible that the reference to "Werram" is a transcription error as no other reference to this name has been found in other contemporary French sources. Her birth date range is estimated from her own daughter's estimated birth date of [950].
     "m (before 950) ROBERT Comte de Meaux, son of HERIBERT II Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adela [Capet] (-after 19 Jun 966). He became Comte de Troyes in 956 on the death of his father-in-law, by right of his wife."
Med lands cites:
[74] Dijon Saint-Etienne, [Tome I], 38, p. 58.
[75] Odoranni monachi Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensis Chronicon, Patrologia Latina, Vol. 142, col. 772.
[76] Montiéramey, 14, p. 19.5


; This is the same person as ”Adélaïde alias Werra” at The Henry Project.3

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 148.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:433.4

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid/Wera de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020192&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adélaïde alias Werra: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/adela001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid|Wera de Bourgogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020192&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm#AdelaideM1RobertMeauxM2LambertM3Geoffroy. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm#GiselbertBurgundydied956
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengard de Autun: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020460&tree=LEO
  8. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Robert: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rober005.htm
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020191&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamtroyes.htm#Robertdied967
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  13. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 269. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelais de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020194&tree=LEO
  15. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adèle de Troyes: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/adele001.htm
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamtroyes.htm#ArchambaudSensdied968

Heribert II (?) Cte de Vermandois et de Troyes1,2,3,4

M, #4850, b. between 879 and 880, d. 23 February 943
FatherHeribert I (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin1,3,5,6,4,7 b. bt 840 - 850, d. c 902
MotherBertha (?) de Morvois, Countess of Vermandois
ReferenceGAV28 EDV29
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Heribert II (?) Cte de Vermandois et de Troyes was born between 879 and 880 at Vermandois, Normandy, France; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says b. 884; Genealogics says b. ca 879; Racines et Histoire says b ca 880; Med Lands says b. 880.8,1,3,9,10 He married Adela/Hildebrante/Liegarde (?) of Neustria, Princess of France, daughter of Robert I (?) Count of Paris, Duke of France, King of the West Franks and Adele/Aélis (?) du Maine, before 21 May 907.8,11,12,10,13,4

Heribert II (?) Cte de Vermandois et de Troyes died on 23 February 943 at St. Quentin.8,1,3,14,4
Heribert II (?) Cte de Vermandois et de Troyes was buried after 23 February 943 at Basilique of Saint Quentin, Saint-Quentin, Departement de l'Aisne, Picardie, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     884, France
     DEATH     943 (aged 58–59)
     Herbert II was born on 884 in Vermandois, Normandy, France and died on February 23, 943 in Aisne, France. He was the Count of Vermandois and Count of Troyes, and was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.
     He inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey. His marriage with Adela of France (also known as Liégarde) brought him the County of Meaux. In 918, he was also named Count of Mézerais and of the Véxin. With his cousin Bernard, Count of Beauvais and Senlis, he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris. In 923, he imprisoned King Charles III in Chateau-Thierry, then in Péronne.
In 922, the Archbishop of Rheims, Seulf, called on Herbert II to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf, in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this County for Eudes, his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Rudolph and constructed a fortress there. Rudolph yielded to pressure to free king Charles III, whom Herbert still held in prison. In 930, Herbert took the castle of Vitry in Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Rudolph. Rudolph united his army with the army of Hugh, marquis of Neustria, and in 931, they entered Rheims and defeated Hugh, the son of Herbert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon,
Chateau-Thierry, and Soissons. The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.
     Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword,duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud. Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.
     Herbert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugh the Great, maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between the sons of Herbert II: Herbert III, Robert, Adalbert, and Hugh (his other son Eudes died before 946). As for his girls, Adela was married to Arnulf I, count of Flanders, Luitgarde (widow of William Longsword) was married to Theobald I, count of Blois, the first lieutenant of Hugh. She brought to Theobald Provins and domains in the Mézerais.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Herbert I Count of Vermandois unknown–907
          Countess Bertha De Morvois Vermandois unknown–916
     Spouse
          Adele de Capet
     Siblings
          Beatrice of Vermandois
          Espriota Sprota Adela de Bretagne 911–945
     Children
     Adele Of Vermandois
     Adalbert I of Vermandois
     Heribert III de Vermandois
     Robert de Vermandois 910–968
     Luitgardis de Vermandois 914 – unknown
     BURIAL     Basilique of Saint Quentin, Saint-Quentin, Departement de l'Aisne, Picardie, France
     Created by: Kat
     Added: 28 Jun 2011
     Find A Grave Memorial 72159055.15
      ; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1): "Cte Herbert II de Vermandois et de Troyes, *884, +23.2.943; m.by 907 Adela ? Pss Hildebrante of France (*895 +931.)16"

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Herbert II (died 23 February 943), Count of Vermandois, Count of Meaux, and Count of Soissons. He was the first to exercise power over the territory that became the province of Champagne.
Life
     "Herbert was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.[1] He was apparently well aware of his descent from Charlemagne.[2] Herbert inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Abbey of St. Medard, Soissons. He took the position of Lay abbot entitling him to the income of those estates.[1] His marriage with a daughter of king Robert I of France brought him the County of Meaux.[3]
     "In 922, when Seulf became Archbishop of Rheims, in an effort to appease Herbert II Seulf solemnly promised him he could nominate his successor.[4] In 923, Count Herbert took the bold step of imprisoning King Charles III, who died still a captive in 929. at an unknown age [3] Then, on the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims.[5] Herbert took the additional step of sending emissaries to Rome to Pope John X to gain his approval, which that pope gave in 926.[4] On his election young Hugh was sent to Auxerre to study.[2]
     "In 926, on the death of Count Roger I of Laon. Herbert demanded this countship for Eudes, his eldest son.[6] He took the town in defiance of King Rudolph leading to a clash between the two in 927.[2] Using the threat of releasing King Charles III, whom he held captive, Herbert managed to hold the city for four more years.[2] But after the death of Charles in 929, Rudolph again attacked Laon in 931 successfully defeating Herbert.[2] The same year the king entered Rheims and defeated archbishop Hugh, the son of Herbert.[7] Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims.[7] Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons.[8] The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.
     "Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud.[9] Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop.[9] Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.
Death and legacy
     "Herbert II died on 23 February 943 at Saint-Quentin, Aisne (the capital of the county of Vermandois).[1] His vast estates and territories were divided among his sons.[10] Vermandois and Amiens went to the two elder sons while Robert and Herbert, the younger sons, were given the valuable holdings scattered throughout Champagne.[10] On Robert's death his brother's son Herbert III inherited them all. Herbert III's only son Stephen died childless in 1019–20 thus ending the male line of Herbert II.[10]
Family
     "Herbert married Adele, daughter of Robert I of France.[11] Together they had the following children:
** Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (c.?910–946)[1]
** Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (c.?915–987), married Gerberge of Lorraine[1]
** Adela of Vermandois (910–960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders[1]
** Herbert 'the Old' (c.?910–980), Count of Omois, Meaux and Troyes, and abbot of St. Medard, Soissons, married 951 Eadgifu of Wessex daughter of Edward the Elder King of England and widow of Charles III King of France.[b][1]
** Sprota Adele de Senlis (913–945), captive of William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] and fathered Richard I, Duke of Normandy.
** Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons († 967)[1]
** Luitgarde of Vermandois (c.?915–978), married 940 William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] married secondly, c.?943–44, Theobald I of Blois[c][12] Their son was Odo I, Count of Blois.[10]
** Hugh of Vermandois (920–962), Archbishop of Reims[1]
** Guy I, Count of Soissons (d. 986).[13]
Notes
a. King Charles was the godfather to one of Herbert II's sons. See: Rodulfus Glaber, The Five Books of the Histories, ed. & trans. John France (Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1989), pp. 12–13 n. 1.
b. Herbert 'the Old', Count of Meux the son of Herbert II is sometimes confused with his nephew, Herbert III, Count of Meux and Troyes, son of Robert Count of Meux. It was Herbert 'the Old' who married Eadgifu of Wessex in 951, his nephew Herbert III wasn't born until c.?950. See ES III/1, 49; K. Norgate, 'Odo of Champagne', EHR 5, 19 (Jul. 1890), 488.
c. It was Hugh the Great who, taking advantage of the youth of Herbert II's successor, gave William Longwsord's widow, Luitgarde to his own vassal Theobald 'the Deceiver', count of Blois. But Glaber mistakenly credited Duke William's murder to Theobald 'the Deceiver' instead of Arnulf of Flanders. See: Rodulfus Glaber, The Five Books of the Histories, ed. & trans. John France (Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1989), pp. 164–5, n. 2.
References
1. Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilband 1 (Marburg, Germany: J. A. Stargardt, 1984), Tafel 49
2. Jim Bradbury, The Capetians: Kings of France, 987–1328 (London: Hambledon Continuum, 2007), p. 36
3. Emily Taitz, The Jews of Medieval France: The Community of Champagne (Westport CT: Greenwood Press, 1994), p. 42
4. Eleanor Shipley Duckett, Death and life in the tenth century (Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 1967), p. 155
5. The Annals of Flodoard of Reims, 916–966, eds & trans. Steven Fanning: Bernard S. Bachrach (New York; Ontario, Can: University of Toronto Press, 2011), pp. 14–15
6. The Annals of Flodoard of Reims, 916–966, eds & trans. Steven Fanning: Bernard S. Bachrach (New York; Ontario, Can: University of Toronto Press, 2011), pp. 15–16
7. The Annals of Flodoard of Reims, 916–966, eds & trans. Steven Fanning: Bernard S. Bachrach (New York; Ontario, Can: University of Toronto Press, 2011), p. 21
8. The Annals of Flodoard of Reims, 916–966, eds & trans. Steven Fanning: Bernard S. Bachrach (New York; Ontario, Can: University of Toronto Press, 2011), pp. 20–24
9. Eleanor Shipley Duckett, Death and life in the tenth century (Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 1967), p. 157
10. Kate Norgate, 'Odo of Champagne, Count of Blois and Tyrant of Burgundy', The English Historical Review, Vol. 5, No. 19 (Jul., 1890), p. 488
11. The Annals of Flodoard of Reims, 919–966, eds. Steven Fanning; Bernard S. Bachrach (Toronto: University of Toronto Press Inc., 2011), p. 21 n. 77
12. Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band II (J. A. Stargardt, Marburg, Germany, 1984), Tafel 46
13. Marignan et al. 1906, p. 28.
Sources
** Marignan, Albert; Platon, Jean Georges; Wilmotte, Maurice; Prou, Maurice, eds. (1906). Le Moyen âge (in French). Librairie Ancienne Honore Champion, Editeur.14

; This is the same person as ”Heribert II” at The Henry Project.4

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
     "Herbert II, né vers 880, mort le 23 février 943, fut comte de Vermandois, de Soissons et de Meaux à la mort de son père survenue entre 900 et 907.
Biographie
Famille
     "Fils de Herbert Ier mort entre 900 et 907 et de Leutgarde, fille du comte de Troyes Adalelme, Herbert II épousa avant 907, Adèle de France, fille de Robert, marquis de Neustrie et futur roi de France sous le nom de Robert Ier. De cette union naquirent1 :
** Eudes (v.915 † ap.946), comte d'Amiens ;
** Adèle († 960), mariée en 934 à Arnoul Ier (890 † 964), comte de Flandre ;
** Hugues (920 † 962), comte et évêque de Reims ;
** Liutgarde, mariée vers 937 à Guillaume Ier Longue-épée († 942), duc de Normandie, puis vers 943 à Thibaud Ier le Tricheur († 975), comte de Blois ;
** Herbert III dit le Vieux (v. 927 † 982), comte d'Omois ;
** Robert Ier (v. 920 † ap.966), comte de Meaux et de Troyes ;
** Albert Ier (v. 934 † 987), comte de Vermandois.
** et peut-être Guy Ier ( † v. 988), comte de Soissons (969-988).

La capture et la détention du roi Charles le Simple
     "Ayant hérité des biens de son père, il augmente sa puissance territoriale vers le Vexin et la Champagne. En 922, il participe à la révolte des grands du royaume contre le roi de Francie occidentale Charles le Simple qu'il capture par traîtrise en 923. Il le garde prisonnier, et s'en sert comme moyen de pression vis-à-vis du roi Raoul obtenant ainsi de ce dernier le siège archiépiscopal de Reims pour son fils Hugues.
     "En 926, il s'empare d'Amiens. Il obtient le comté de Laon en 928, et y construit une citadelle (château Gaillot), mais doit rendre la ville en 931 et la citadelle en 938. En 931, il se rapproche du roi de Germanie Henri l'Oiseleur, mais se soumet au roi de Francie occidentale en 935. Il intervient ensuite plusieurs fois à Reims pour restaurer son fils.
Une mort tragique
     "Selon Raoul Glaber2 et aussi Dom Le long qui rapporte une tradition locale, il aurait été pendu sur ordre de Louis IV d'Outremer3,4. Après sa mort, ses biens sont partagés entre ses différents fils par son neveu et beau frère, Hugues le Grand, mettant fin ainsi à la puissance vermandoise.
     "Herbert II est décédé le 23 février 943 à Saint-Quentin (Aisne), la capitale du comté de Vermandois. Ses vastes domaines et les territoires ont été répartis entre ses fils.
Tombeau
     "Herbert II de Vermandois fut inhumé dans l'église de la collégiale de Saint-Quentin, "capitale" de ses possessions où il mourut. La collégiale devint une basilique en 1876. En août 1917, les Allemands allumèrent un incendie qui détruisit quasiment toute l’église. La crypte fut minée et sauta. Il ne reste rien de la sépulture de ce prince
Sources et bibliographie
** Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens (Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1), Villeneuve-d'Ascq, éd. Patrick van Kerrebrouck, 1993, 545 p. (ISBN 978-2-95015-093-6) Document utilisé pour la rédaction de l’article
** Honoré Fisquet, La France pontificale (Gallia christiana), histoire chronologique et biographique des archevêques et évêques de tous les diocèses de France depuis l'établissement du christianisme jusqu'à nos jours, divisée en 17 provinces ecclésiastiques - Métropole de Reims - Reims, Paris : E. Repos, 1864-1873, pp.53-57 [1] [archive]
Liens internes
Liste des comtes de Vermandois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Vermandois
Histoire de la Picardie: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_de_la_Picardie
Histoire de l'Aisne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_de_l%27Aisne
Histoire de la Somme: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_de_la_Somme
Histoire d'Amiens: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_d%27Amiens
Notices d'autorité : Fichier d’autorité international virtuelInternational Standard Name IdentifierBibliothèque du CongrèsWorldCat
Notes et références
1. Famille d'Herbert II sur Medieval Lands [archive]
2. Louis-Paul Colliette, Mémoires pour servir à l'histoire ecclésiastique, civile et militaire de la province du Vermandois [archive], Berthoud, 1771, p. 457
3. L'esprit des journaux [archive] J. J. Tutot, 1785, p. 89
4. Philippe Lauer, Le règne de Louis IV d'Outr-mer, É. Bouillon, 1900, p. 292,293."17

; Per Med Lands:
     "HERIBERT [II], son of HERIBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his wife [Lietgardis] --- ([880]-23 Feb 943, bur Saint Quentin). None of the sources so far consulted state explicitly that Héribert [II] and his sister Beatrix were the children of Héribert [I] but this looks probable. He succeeded his father in [900/907] as Comte de Meaux, de Soissons et de Vermandois. Lay Abbot of St Crépin and St Médard at Soissons. Comte Héribert took part in the rebellion against Charles III “le Simple” King of France in 922 and tricked the ex-king into capture after he fled following his defeat near Soissons in 923. Flodoard records in 923 that "Heribertus comes" sent “Bernardum consobrinum suum” with a delegation “ad Karolum” who was “in castello suo super Somnam apud Sanctum Quintinum”, and who was detained “in...munitionem suam...Castellum Theoderici super Maternam fluvium”[198]. Héribert consolidated his power by arranging for his young son to be made Archbishop of Reims. Comte Héribert received Péronne from Raoul King of France in 924. Together with forces of Arnoul I Count of Flanders, Héribert captured the Viking stronghold of Eu[199]. Following this he apparently forged an alliance with Comte Rollo in [927][200], leaving his son Eudes with Rollo as a hostage. Comte Héribert unsuccessfully attempted to capture Laon in 927[201]. [Comte de Vienne]: Flodoard records that Ugo King of Italy gave "provintiam Viennensem" to Héribert Comte de Varmandois in 928, and that "Odonis filii sui [=Heriberto]" was appointed vicecomes[202]. No primary source has yet been identified which describes Héribert as “Comte de Vienne” or confirms whether he adopted the comital title. Flodoard provides an insight into the continuing rivalries regarding Vienne when he records in 933 that it was granted to "Rodulfo regi" [Rudolf II King of Upper Burgundy, see the document BURGUNDY KINGS][203]. With help from Hugues "le Grand" [Capet], King Raoul subdued Vermandois and Comte Héribert made his submission to the king[204]. In 939. Héribert joined the alliance against Louis IV King of France led by Otto I "der Große" King of Germany, who raided Frankish territory and forced King Louis to renounce his claim to the throne of Lotharingia. Together with Hugues "le Grand" [Capet], Héribert besieged Reims, forcing the restoration of his son as archbishop, and also besieged King Louis at Laon. Flodoard records the death of "Heribertus comes" in 943 and his burial at Saint-Quentin[205]. The necrology of Reims Cathedral records the death "VII Kal Mar" of "Heribertus comes"[206]. On his death in 943, his territories were divided between his sons by their maternal uncle Hugues "le Grand".
     "m (before 21 May 907) [ADELA], daughter of ROBERT Marquis en Neustrie, Comte de Paris [later ROBERT I King of France] & his first wife [Adela] --- (before 898-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comitis Heriberti gener…Roberti" and in a later passage to the sister of "dux Hugo Cappatus" as the wife of "comitis Heriberti de Peroni, Campanie et Veromandie" but does not name her[207]. Her origin is confirmed by Flodoard naming "Hugo dux cum nepotibus suis, Heriberti filiis" in 943[208]. Her birth date is estimated from the birth of her first child in [915]. Her name is deduced as follows. The 21 May 907 donation of Rebais abbey to the church of Paris refers to "comitis Rotberti et Adele comitisse"[209]. Although this phrasing usually indicates husband and wife, Settipani suggests that the chronology of the life of King Robert's son Hugues (attested as Robert's son by his second wife Béatrix) favours his birth, and therefore his father's second marriage, well before 907, which would mean "Adele" could not have been Robert's wife. This reasoning appears based firstly on Hugues already being married in [914], and secondly on the probability of his having reached the age of majority when he was recognised as duke in 922. The 907 document is explained as referring to Robert and his elder daughter. The issue, however, is not beyond doubt, especially if the document in question was misdated. Her marriage date assumes that this identification is correct.
     "Comte Héribert II & his wife had [eight] children."
Med Lands cites:
[198] Flodoard 923, MGH SS III, p. 372.
[199] Settipani (1993), p. 224.
[200] Annals of Flodoard of Reims, quoted in Houts (2000), p. 45.
[201] McKitterick (1983), p. 312.
[202] Flodoard 928, MGH SS III, p. 378.
[203] Flodoard 933, MGH SS III, p. 381.
[204] McKitterick (1983), p. 312.
[205] Flodoard 943, MGH SS III, p. 389.
[206] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 273.
[207] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 920 and 988, MGH SS XXIII, pp. 756 and 774.
[208] Flodoard 944, MGH SS III, p. 390.
[209] Diplôme de Charles III, no 57, Lauer, quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 407.18


; Per Genealogics:
     "Heribert was born about 879, the son of Heribert I, comte de Vermandois, and Bertha de Morvois. He was count of Vermandois and count of Troyes.
     "He inherited the domain of his father and in 907 he added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey. His marriage with Adela (also known as Liégarde) of Neustria brought him the county of Meaux. In 918 he was also named count of Mézerais and of the Véxin. With his cousin Bernhard, count of Beauvais and Senlis, he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris. In 923 he imprisoned King Charles III in Château-Thierry, then in Péronne. He and his wife Adela, daughter of Robert I, king of France, and his wife Aelis, had seven children of whom Adela, Robert, Adalbert and Liutgarde would have progeny.
     "In 922 the archbishop of Reims, Seulf, called on Heribert to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of Raoul, king of France he acquired for his second son Hugues (then five years old) the archbishopric of Reims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926, on the death of Roger, count of Laon, Heribert demanded this county for Eudes, his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Raoul, and constructed a fortress there. Raoul yielded to pressure to free King Charles III 'the Simple', whom Heribert still held in prison.
     "In 930 Heribert took the castle of Vitry-en-Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Raoul. Raoul united his army with that of Hugues, marquis of Neustria, and in 931 they entered Reims and defeated Hugues, the son of Heribert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Heribert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry and Soissons. The intervention of his ally, Emperor Heinrich I 'the Fowler', allowed him to restore his domains (except Reims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Raoul.
     "Later Heribert allied with Hugues 'the Great', duke of the Franks, and Guillaume I 'Longsword', duke of Normandy, against King Louis IV, who allocated the county of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Heribert and Hugues 'the Great' took back Reims and captured Artaud. Hugues, the son of Heribert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I, in Visé near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalisation of the situation.
     "Heribert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugues 'the Great', maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between Heribert's sons."3 GAV-28 EDV-29 GKJ-30.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 124.
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to Amercia bef.1700 7th Edition, Frederick Lewis Weis, Reference: 51.
3. Biogr. details drawn from Wikipedia.19


; Per Racines et Histoire (Vermandois, p. 8): "Hér(i)bert II de Vermandois ° ~880 + 23/02/943 comte de Meaux, Soissons et Vermandois (900/907), Abbé laïc de Saint-Crépin & de Saint-Médard de Soissons ; rebelle contre le Roi Charles «Le Simple» (922) qu’il emprisonne ; fait élire son fils Archevêque de Reims, reçoit Péronne (924) du Roi ; allié aux Flamands, annexe Eu ; sans doute allié à Rollon (927) ; échoue à prendre Laon (928) ; doit se soumettre au Roi Raoul, allié à Hugues «Le Grand» ; rebelle contre le Roi Louis IV (939) avec Otto «Le Grand» de Germanie (donation avec sa femme de l’Abbaye de Rebais 21/05/907 à l’Eglise de Paris)
     ép. avant 21/05/907 Adela ° avant 898 (fille de Robert, marquis en Neustrie, plus tard Roi de France (Robert 1er),et d’Adela.)9" He was Comte de Vermandois, de Meaux et de Soissons between 900 and 943.17

Citations

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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 50-18, p. 51. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
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  15. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 10 November 2019), memorial page for Herbert II Of Vermandois (884–943), Find A Grave Memorial no. 72159055, citing Basilique of Saint Quentin, Saint-Quentin, Departement de l'Aisne, Picardie, France ; Maintained by Kat (contributor 47496397), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/72159055/herbert_ii-of_vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
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  17. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Herbert II de Vermandois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_II_de_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#HeribertIIdied943B
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020189&tree=LEO
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  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00185929&tree=LEO
  22. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adela de Vermandois: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00018651&tree=LEO
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Adela/Hildebrante/Liegarde (?) of Neustria, Princess of France1,2,3

F, #4851, b. circa 895, d. after 931
FatherRobert I (?) Count of Paris, Duke of France, King of the West Franks1,2,4 b. a Sep 866, d. 15 Jun 923
MotherAdele/Aélis (?) du Maine1,2,5,4,6,7 b. 868, d. bt 907 - 931
ReferenceGAV28 EDV29
Last Edited15 Dec 2020
     Adela/Hildebrante/Liegarde (?) of Neustria, Princess of France was born circa 895 at Vermandois, Normandy, France; Med Lands says b. bef 898.1,4 She married Heribert II (?) Cte de Vermandois et de Troyes, son of Heribert I (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin and Bertha (?) de Morvois, Countess of Vermandois, before 21 May 907.8,1,2,4,9,10

Adela/Hildebrante/Liegarde (?) of Neustria, Princess of France died after 931 at France; Genealogy.EU & Henry Project say she d. aft 931.1,9
Adela/Hildebrante/Liegarde (?) of Neustria, Princess of France was buried after 931 at Basilique of Saint Quentin, Saint-Quentin, Departement de l'Aisne, Picardie, France; From Find A Grave:
     Family Members
     Parents
          Robert Robertin 866–923
          Aélis du Maine 868–894
     Spouse
          Herbert II Of Vermandois 884–943
     Siblings
          Emma de France de Bourgogne
     Half Siblings
          Hugh Robertin unknown–956
     Children
          Adele Of Vermandois
          Robert de Vermandois 910–968
          BURIAL     Basilique of Saint Quentin, Saint-Quentin, Departement de l'Aisne, Picardie, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 6 Mar 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 143389983.11
      ; Per Racines et Histoire (Vermandois, p. 8): "Hér(i)bert II de Vermandois ° ~880 + 23/02/943 comte de Meaux, Soissons et Vermandois (900/907), Abbé laïc de Saint-Crépin & de Saint-Médard de Soissons ; rebelle contre le Roi Charles «Le Simple» (922) qu’il emprisonne ; fait élire son fils Archevêque de Reims, reçoit Péronne (924) du Roi ; allié aux Flamands, annexe Eu ; sans doute allié à Rollon (927) ; échoue à prendre Laon (928) ; doit se soumettre au Roi Raoul, allié à Hugues «Le Grand» ; rebelle contre le Roi Louis IV (939) avec Otto «Le Grand» de Germanie (donation avec sa femme de l’Abbaye de Rebais 21/05/907 à l’Eglise de Paris)
     ép. avant 21/05/907 Adela ° avant 898 (fille de Robert, marquis en Neustrie, plus tard Roi de France (Robert 1er),et d’Adela.)12"

; This is the same person as ”NN” at The Henry Project.9

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 124.
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. 51.13
Adela/Hildebrante/Liegarde (?) of Neustria, Princess of France was also known as Adele de Capet.11 GAV-28 EDV-29 GKJ-30.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet2.html
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 50-18, p. 51. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, NN: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/nn000002.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  10. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Heribert II: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herib002.htm
  11. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 10 November 2019), memorial page for Adele de Capet (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 143389983, citing Basilique of Saint Quentin, Saint-Quentin, Departement de l'Aisne, Picardie, France ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143389983/adele-de_capet
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexiin, p. 8: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adela/Liegarde/Hildebrante of Neustria: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020190&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00185929&tree=LEO
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  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eudes de Vermandois: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00185931&tree=LEO
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  19. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamtroyes.htm#Robertdied967
  20. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf, p. 3.
  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert 'the Pious': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020492&tree=LEO
  22. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#AlbertIdied987B
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Heribert I (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin1,2,3,4,5

M, #4852, b. between 840 and 850, d. circa 902
FatherPepin II Quentin (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin2,1,4,6,7,5 d. a 840
ReferenceGAV29 EDV30
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Heribert I (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin was born between 840 and 850 at Vermandois, Normandy, France; Weis [AR7, line 50-17] says b. ca 840; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says b. 848/850; Genealogics says b. ca 850; Med Lands says b. 848/850.6,4,8,1,7,9 He married Bertha (?) de Morvois, Countess of Vermandois, daughter of Guerri I (?) Cte de Morvois and Eve (?) of Roussillon, circa 872
; NB: See Note on The Henry Project for a discussion on unlikeliness that Heribert actually married this Bertha de Morvois.
     Genealogics reports this marriage to Bertha, citing:
1. Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 105.
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. 51.

     Med Lands reports that me married an otherwise unidentified "Lietgardis".
     Racines et Histoire reports this marriage to Bertha, as well as a second marriage to "Hildebrande (fille de Robert Le Fort)".
I have chosed to include the marriage, but show the mother of Heribert's children as unidentified. GA Vaut.1,4,6,9,10,7,11
Heribert I (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin died circa 902 at France; murdered; Ravilious says d. 907; Genealogics says d. 900/902; Med Lands says "murdered [900/6 Nov 907]"; The Henry Project says d. 900x906.12,13,1,14,6,7,9,5
      ; Per Wikipedia:
     "Herbert I (c. 848/850 – 907) or Heribertus I, Count of Vermandois, Count of Meaux, Count of Soissons, and lay abbot of Saint Quentin. He was a Carolingian aristocrat who played a significant role in Francia.
     "Herbert was the son of Pepin of Vermandois and one great-grandson of Pepin of Italy, son of Charlemagne. he was possibly matrilineal descendants of Nibelungid. his early life was unknown. Herbert became count of Soissons before 889 and was probably charged with defending the Oise against Viking intrusions. A contemporary of Baldwin II, Count of Flanders he had the advantage of being a Carolingian, a great-grandson of Pepin of Italy, a son of Charlemagne.[1] Herbert controlled both St. Quentin and Péronne and his activities in the upper Somme river valley, such as the capture and murder (rather than ransom) of his brother Raoul in 896, may have caused Baldwin II to have him assassinated in 907.[2]
     "Herbert arranged a marriage alliance to Robert of Neustria by giving in marriage his daughter Beatrice as Robert's second wife.[1] As a part of this pact Herbert also agreed to his son Herbert II of Vermandois marrying Adela, Robert's daughter by his first wife.[1] Another daughter, Cunegonda, married Odo of Wetterau.[3]
Notes
1. Dunbabin 2000, p. 95.
2. Riché 1993, p. 236.
3. McKitterick 1999, p. 360-361.
References
** Dunbabin, Jean (2000). France in the making, 843-1180. Oxford University Press.
** McKitterick, Rosamond (1999). The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians. Pearson Education Limited.
** Riché, Pierre (1993). The Carolingians; A Family who Forged Europe. Translated by Allen, Michael Idomir. University of Pennsylvania Press."15

; Per Med Lands:
     "HERIBERT [I], son of PEPIN [Carolingian] Seigneur de Péronne et de St Quentin, Comte near Paris & his wife --- ([848/850]-murdered [900/6 Nov 907]). Regino names (in order) "Bernardum, Pippinum et Heribertum" as the three children of "Pippinum", specifying that Héribert killed "Rodulfum comitem filium Balduini comitis"[178]. "Heribertus, Bernhardi frater" is named in the Vita Hludowicis Imperatoris[179]. He was at the court of Emperor Charles II “le Chauve” in 877. Comte de Soissons 886/898. Abbé de St Crépin. Comte de Meaux et de Madrie 888/889[180]. He became Comte de Vermandois in 896. The Annales Vedastini record that "Rodulfus comes" disrupted the peace in 896 and took the property of "Heribertus et Erkingerus", that "Odo rex" besieged "castrum sancti Quintini et Peronam" and expelled Raoul's supporters, and that Héribert killed Raoul[181]. Comte Héribert opposed Eudes King of France, but was reconciled with the king in 897, an event which may have been confirmed by the marriage of Héribert's daughter to the king's nephew Robert[182]. Baudouin II Count of Flanders attacked Vermandois, was driven out by 900 but reconquered it and killed Héribert [I] Comte de Vermandois in revenge for his brother's death[183].
     "m [LIETGARDIS], daughter of --- (-27 May ----). The name of the wife of Comte Héribert is not known. However, a "Comtesse Liedgardis", different from the daughter of Comte Héribert [II], is named who could have been his wife[184]. If this is correct, the necrology of Reims which records the death "VI Kal Jun" of "Letgardis comitissa"[185], may refer to the same person[186]. According to the Histoire de Guise, Albert Comte de Vermandois constructed the abbey of Saint-Michel at Rochefort in 945 "d'accord avec la comtesse Hérésinde sa femme", while in 947 Hérésinde founded the nearby Benedictine convent of Bucilly[187]. The source assumes that this refers to Albert Comte de Vermandois, but his supposed marriage to Hérésinde is not mentioned by Settipani[188]. According to the introduction to the Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Bucilly, Bucilly was founded by "Gerberge, femme d'Albert I Comte de Vermandois" although it notes that "certains auteurs ont voulu faire remonter [sa fondation] à la libéralité de Hersinde femme d'Herbert Comte de Vermandois morte en 901"[189]. No other reference has been found to Hérésinde being the wife of Comte Héribert [I].
     "Comte Héribert [I] & his wife had four children:
     "1. HERIBERT [II] ([880]-23 Feb 943, bur Saint Quentin).
     "2. BEATRIX de Vermandois ([880/83]-after 26 Mar 931).
     "3. [daughter [ADELA] .
     "4. [daughter [CUNIGUNDIS] ([890/900]-after 943)."

Med Lands cites:
[178] Reginonis Chronicon 818, MGH SS I, p. 567.
[179] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris, MGH SS II, p. 633.
[180] Settipani (1993), p. 220.
[181] Annales Vedastini 896, MGH SS II, p. 530. .
[182] Settipani (1993), p. 407.
[183] Nicholas (1992), p. 19.
[184] Settipani (1993), p. 408, citing Depoin, J. 'Etudes préparatoires à l'histoire des familles palatines. III. Thibaud le Tricheur fut-il bâtard et mourut-il presque centenaire?', Revue des etudes historiques (1908), p. 595 and footnote 105.
[185] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 274.
[186] Settipani (1993), p. 227 footnote 265.
[187] Pécheur (1851), p. 47, citing "Charte de Raoul évêque de Laon, Lelong, N. Hist. du diocèse de Laon, p. 598".
[188] Settipani (1993), p. 236.
[189] Bucilly, Introduction.7,16


; Per Genealogy.EU: "Cte Herbert I de Vermandois 896, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin, *ca 848/850, +before 6.11.907; m. Bertha de Morvois /OR Liedgardis N."1

; This is the same person as ”Heribert I” at The Henry Project.5

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Her(i)bert 1er de Vermandois ° ~848/850 + ass. 902/03 ? dès 06/11/907 comte de Vermandois (893/896), seigneur de Senlis, Péronne et Saint-Quentin
     ép.~872 Béatrice (alias Berthe) de Morvois (de Paris)
     ép. Hildebrande (fille de Robert Le Fort.)9"

; Per Wikipedia (Fr.):
     "Herbert Ier de Vermandois, seigneur de Péronne et de Saint-Quentin, né vers 850 et mort entre 900 et 907. Il fut en 888 comte de Meaux, de Madrie, du Vexin, de Mézerais, en 896 comte de Vermandois et abbé de Saint-Quentin, puis vers 896-898 comte de Soissons et abbé de Saint-Crépin, jusqu'à sa mort1. Il était fils de Pépin, petit-fils de Bernard, roi d'Italie.
Biographie
     "Il apparaît en 877 à la cour du roi Charles le Chauve et est cité en 889 comme un fidèle du roi Eudes. Il devient comte de Vermandois en 896, succédant au Nibelungide Théodoric, qui était probablement son grand-père maternel. Dans les années qui suivent, il hérite de plusieurs comtés (Soissons, Meaux et Vexin), tenus par d'autres Nibelungides. Cet ensemble forma une marche militaire créée en 890 pour lutter contre les Normands.
Mariage et enfants
     "Son épouse est inconnue. Des études récentes laissent penser qu'elle se prénommait Leutgarde, et qu'elle serait fille du comte de Troyes Adalelme. Il a eu :
** Herbert II (880 † 943), comte de Vermandois, de Meaux et de Soissons ;
** Béatrice, mariée vers 895 à Robert Ier, roi de France († 923) ;
** Cunégonde, mariée vers 915 à Odon Ier, comte de Wetterau.
Source
** Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens (Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1), Villeneuve-d'Ascq, éd. Patrick van Kerrebrouck, 1993, 545 p. (ISBN 978-2-95015-093-6)
Référence
1. Régine Le Jan, Famille et pouvoir dans le monde franc (VIIe-Xe siècle) [archive], Publications de la Sorbonne, 1995, p. 258."17

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 105.
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to Amercia bef.1700 7th Edition, Frederick Lewis Weis, Reference: 51.6
He was Seigneur of Senlis, Peronne & St. Quentin.4,1 GAV-29 EDV-30 GKJ-31.
; NB See the entry for Béatrix on The Henry Project. According to The Henry Project:
     "Supposed father (very doubtful): Heribert I, count of Vermandois.
     "This link was commonly assumed to be correct in the nineteenth and early twentienth centuries. However, this claim was questioned by Erich Brandenburg, who objected to the apparent uncle-niece marriage and expressed doubt as to Béatrix's name ["angeblich Beatrix genannt" Brandenburg (1964), 88, n. 3]. Karl Ferdinand Werner dealt with both of these objections, by giving the evidence that the mother of Hugues le Grand was indeed named Béatrix (see above), and by pointing out that Heribert's wife could have been a daughter of Robert I by another marriage [Werner (1967), 458, n. 4]. In addition, Christian Settipani gave an onomastic argument for making Heribert I the father of Béatrix, pointing out that Béatrix's son Hugues le Grand had an illegitimate son named Heribert [Settipani (1993), 222, n. 220]. Unfortunately, neither Werner nor Settipani mentioned any of the primary evidence for the parentage of Béatrix. Other recent accounts have included Helmut Schwager arguing against the affiliation [Schwager (1994), Excurs 4, 406-9] and Constance Bouchard arguing for it [Bouchard (1981), 282, n. 34; Bouchard (2001), 215, n. 1]. Most recently, in a number of postings to the internet newsgroup/mailing list soc.genealogy.medieval/GEN-MEDIEVAL, Peter Stewart has argued persuasively against placing Béatrix as a daughter of Heribert I."18 He was Comte de Vermandois between 892 and 907.1,3,4,15 He was Comte de Meaux between 892 and 907.15 He was Comte de Soissons between 892 and 907.15 He was Comte de Valois between 893 and 895.15

Family 1

Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
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  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 50-17, p. 51. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Heribert I: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herib001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
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  8. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 120. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  9. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  10. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/herib001.htm
  11. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 4 April 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  12. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 50-18, p. 51.
  13. [S753] Jr. Aileen Lewers Langston and J. Orton Buck, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. II (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1974 (1996 reprint)), p. 17. Hereinafter cited as Langston & Buck [1974] - Charlemagne Desc. vol II.
  14. [S1769] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005: "Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EG8fUGArHIU/m/Kjp8At_SVwoJ) to e-mail address, 12 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Aug 2005."
  15. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_I,_Count_of_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  16. [S4753] Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens, 481-987, première partie - Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (n.p.: Van Kerrebrouck, 1993), pp. 220, 227 (fn 265), 407-8. Hereinafter cited as Settipani [1993] La Préhistoire des Capétiens.
  17. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Herbert Ier de Vermandois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Ier_de_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  18. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Béatrix: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/beatr001.htm
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Adela) de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313104&tree=LEO
  20. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#AdelaMGebhardKonradiner
  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020189&tree=LEO
  22. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Heribert II: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herib002.htm
  23. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 143-20, pp. 125.
  24. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Cunegonde|Kunigunde) de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00726527&tree=LEO

Pepin II Quentin (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin1,2,3

M, #4853, d. after 840
FatherBernard I (?) King of Italy/Lombards3,1,4,5 b. c 797, d. 17 Apr 818
MotherCunigunde (?) di Lombardy1,2,3,6 b. b 797, d. a 15 Jun 835
ReferenceGAV30 EDV30
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Pepin II Quentin (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin was born between 817 and 818 at Peronne, France.1,7
Pepin II Quentin (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin died after 840 at Milan, Città Metropolitana di Milano, Lombardia, Italy.1,7,3
      ; Cte Pepin II Quentin de Vermandois, Cte de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin, *817, +after 840; m.NN.1

; Leo van de Pas cites:
1. Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference 86
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to Amercia bef.1700 7th Edition, Frederick Lewis Weis, Reference: 51.3 Pepin II Quentin (?) Cte de Vermandois, sn de Senlis, de Peronne et de St.Quentin lived at an unknown place ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Pépin II de Vermandois ° 817 + après 840 (~878 Milan) comte de Senlis, Péronne et de Saint-Quentin
ép. Rothaïde de Bobbio ° ~812 + après 858 (Nibelung.)8"

GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

; Stone [2000] Chart 31.9

Family

Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bernhard I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020183&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pippin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020185&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bernhard I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020183&tree=LEO
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  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunigund: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020184&tree=LEO
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 50-17, p. 51. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  9. [S737] Compiler Don Charles Stone, Some Ancient and Medieval Descents (n.p.: Ancient and Medieval Descents Project
    2401 Pennsylvania Ave., #9B-2B
    Philadelphia, PA 19130-3034
    Tel: 215-232-6259
    e-mail address
    or e-mail address
    copyright 1995, 1998, 1999, 2000, unknown publish date), Chart 31, Note 1.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heribert I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020187&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#HeribertIdied900907
  12. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Heribert I: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herib001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Count Bernhard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020490&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Count Pippin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020491&tree=LEO

Béatrice/Béatrix (?) Queen of France1,2

F, #4854, b. circa 880, d. after March 931
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited27 Nov 2020
     Béatrice/Béatrix (?) Queen of France was born circa 880 at Vermandois, Normandy, France.3,4,5 She married Robert I (?) Count of Paris, Duke of France, King of the West Franks, son of Robert I "le Fort" (?) Cte de Paris, de Angers et de Tours and Aelis/Adelaide (?) de Tours, circa 890
;
His 2nd wife; Leo van de Pas says m. 893.6,7,8,9,1
Béatrice/Béatrix (?) Queen of France died after March 931.5,4,3
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ROBERT, son of ROBERT "le Fort" Comte [de Tours], Marquis en Neustrie & his [second] wife --- ([860]-killed in battle near Soissons 15 Jun 923). "Rodbertum fratrem Odonis regis" is named in the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin[65]. He was installed as lay abbot of Marmoutier on the death of Hugues l’Abbé in 886[66]. He succeeded his brother in 888 as Marquis en Neustrie, and probably also as Comte de Paris, d'Orléans et de Tours. After his brother King Eudes captured Poitou in 893, he installed Robert as Comte de Poitou but the latter was expelled by Adémar, son of Comte Emenon[67]. Abbot of Saint-Martin de Tours: "Robert abbé de Saint-Martin" confirmed possessions of Saint-Martin de Tours by charter dated 30 Aug 894[68]. Eudes King of France granted the abbey of Saint-Hilaire de Poitiers to the bishop of Poitiers, at the request of "marchiones…Hrobertus…atque Ademarus", by charter dated to [894][69]. After the death of his brother in 898, Robert supported Charles III King of France who seems to have confirmed Robert's position in Neustrie. “Rotbertus...beati Martini abba...et comes” restored “cellulæ...Sancti Clementis”, previously donated by “predecessor noster domnus Odo germanus noster...tunc abbas deinde Francorum rex”, to Saint-Martin by charter dated 13 Sep 900, subscribed by “...Attonis vicecomitis, Guarnegaudi vicecomitis, Fulconis vicecomitis, Rainaldi vicecomitis...”[70]. He rebelled against the king in 922, triggered by the confiscation of the monastery of Chelles by King Charles from Rothilde (who was the mother-in-law of Robert's son Hugues) in favour of his favourite Haganon. He was elected ROBERT I King of France 22 Jun 922, consecrated at Reims by Gauthier Archbishop of Sens. Flodoard records in 922 that "Franci" elected “Rotbertum seniorem” who was invested “Remis apud Sanctum Remigium ab episcopis et primatibus regni”[71]. King Robert was killed fighting ex-King Charles, although his forces won the battle: Flodoard records in 923 that "Karolus cum suis Lothariensibus" crossed “Mosam...ad Atiniacum...et...super Axonam” where he lost the battle near Soissons in which “Rotbertus...rex” was killed[72]. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "XVII Kal Jul" of "Rotbertus rex"[73]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Magloire records the death "XVII Kal Jul" of "Robertus rex"[74]. The necrology of Auxerre cathedral records that "Rotbertus rex" was killed in battle 15 Jun[75].
     "m firstly ---. The name of Robert's first wife is not known. However, as King Robert's known wife Béatrix de Vermandois could not have been the mother of his daughter Adela (married to the brother of Béatrix) it is assumed that this earlier marriage is correct. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[76], Robert's first wife was named AELIS. This may be based on the 21 May 907 donation of Rebais abbey to the church of Paris which refers to "comitis Rotberti et Adele comitisse"[77]. However, as shown below, this is more likely to refer to Robert and his daughter than to his wife.
     "m secondly ([897]) BEATRIX de Vermandois, daughter of HERIBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his wife --- ([880/83]-after 26 Mar 931). The Historia Francorum Senonensis records that "sororem Herberti" was the wife of "Robertus princeps" who rebelled against Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks[78]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Rodbertus dux” married “sororem Herberti” by whom he had “Hugonem Magnum”[79]. "Hugo rector Abbatiæ sancti Martini" names "genitoris nostri Rotberti quondam regis ac genitricis nostræ domnæ Beatricis" in his charter dated 26 Mar 931[80]. The marriage date is estimated by Werner on the assumption that the marriage accompanied the political reconciliation between Beatrix's father and Robert's uncle[81]. If the 907 donation mentioned above in fact refers to Robert's first wife, his marriage to Beatrix would of course have taken place after that date."
Med lands cites:
[65] Saint-Bertin 2.69, 893, p. 136.
[66] Settipani (1993), p. 405.
[67] Richard, A. (1903) Histoire des Comtes de Poitou (republished Princi Negue, 2003) Tome I 72.
[68] Tours Saint-Martin XCVIII, p. 117.
[69] ´Documents pour l´histoire de l´église de Saint-Hilaire de Poitiers´, Mémoires de la société des antiquaires de l´ouest, année 1847 (Poitiers, 1848) ("Saint-Hilaire de Poitiers"), XII, p. 16.
[70] Mabille ‘Les invasions normandes...’, Bibliothèque de l´Ecole des Chartes, Tome XXX (1869), Pièces Justificatives, IX, p. 442.
[71] Flodoard 922, MGH SS III, p. 370.
[72] Flodoard 923, MGH SS III, p. 371.
[73] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Nécrologe du xi siècle, p. 14.
[74] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Abbaye de Saint-Magloire, p. 390.
[75] L'abbé Lebeuf (1855) Mémoires concernant l'histoire civile et ecclésiastique d'Auxerre et de son ancient diocese (Auxerre) (“Histoire d´Auxerre”), Tome IV, p. 15.
[76] ES II 10.
[77] Diplôme de Charles III, no 57, Lauer, quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 407.
[78] Hugonis Floriacensis, Historia Francorum Senonensis, MGH SS IX, p. 366.
[79] Willelmi Gemmetensis monachi Historiæ Normannorum, Du Chesne, A. (1619) Historiæ Normannorum Scriptores Antiqui (Paris) (“Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619)”), Liber II, XXI, p. 233.
[80] RHGF IX, p. 719.
[81] Werner, K. F. (1967) 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)', Karl der Große, IV, p. 458, cited in Settipani (1993), p. 407.10
GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1961.11

; This is the same person as:
"Beatrice of Vermandois" at Wikipedia and as
"Béatrice de Vermandois" at Wikipédia (Fr.)12,13

; NB See the entry for Béatrix on The Henry Project. According to The Henry Project:
     "Supposed father (very doubtful): Heribert I, count of Vermandois.
     "This link was commonly assumed to be correct in the nineteenth and early twentienth centuries. However, this claim was questioned by Erich Brandenburg, who objected to the apparent uncle-niece marriage and expressed doubt as to Béatrix's name ["angeblich Beatrix genannt" Brandenburg (1964), 88, n. 3]. Karl Ferdinand Werner dealt with both of these objections, by giving the evidence that the mother of Hugues le Grand was indeed named Béatrix (see above), and by pointing out that Heribert's wife could have been a daughter of Robert I by another marriage [Werner (1967), 458, n. 4]. In addition, Christian Settipani gave an onomastic argument for making Heribert I the father of Béatrix, pointing out that Béatrix's son Hugues le Grand had an illegitimate son named Heribert [Settipani (1993), 222, n. 220]. Unfortunately, neither Werner nor Settipani mentioned any of the primary evidence for the parentage of Béatrix. Other recent accounts have included Helmut Schwager arguing against the affiliation [Schwager (1994), Excurs 4, 406-9] and Constance Bouchard arguing for it [Bouchard (1981), 282, n. 34; Bouchard (2001), 215, n. 1]. Most recently, in a number of postings to the internet newsgroup/mailing list soc.genealogy.medieval/GEN-MEDIEVAL, Peter Stewart has argued persuasively against placing Béatrix as a daughter of Heribert I."2

; Per Genealogy.EU (): “C4. [2m.] Cte Robert I of Paris (892-893), King of France (922-923), *866, +k.a.nr Soissons 15.6.923; 1m: Aelis N (+before 931); 2m: ca 890 Beatrix de Vermandois (*880 +after III.931)”


Per Genealogy.EU (): “E1. Beatrix de Vermandois, *880, +after III.931; m.King Robert I of France (*866 +15.6.923)”.6,8

; Per Med Lands:
     "BEATRIX de Vermandois ([880/83]-after 26 Mar 931). None of the sources so far consulted state explicitly that Heribert [II] and his sister Beatrix were the children of Heribert [I] but this looks probable. Her birth date range is estimated from her eldest daughter giving birth to her own first child in [915]. The Historia Francorum Senonensis records that "sororem Herberti" was the wife of "Robertus princeps" who rebelled against Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks[190]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Rodbertus dux” married “sororem Herberti” by whom he had “Hugonem Magnum”[191]. The marriage may have been arranged to confirm her father's reconciliation with Eudes King of France, who was her husband's uncle[192]. Werner suggests [897] as the date of the marriage, on the assumption that it followed the political reconciliation between Béatrix's father and Robert's uncle[193]. As discussed in relation to Robert's first marriage in the document FRANCE CAPETIAN KINGS, there is a possibility that Robert's first wife was still alive in 907, which would of course mean that Béatrix's marriage took place after that date.
     "m ([897]) as his second wife, ROBERT Marquis en Neustrie, son of ROBERT “le Fort” Marquis en Neustrie & his [second] wife --- ([860]-killed in battle near Soissons 15 Jun 923). Comte de Paris 898. He was elected 22 Jun 922 as ROBERT I King of France."
Med Lands cites:
[190] Hugonis Floriacensis, Historia Francorum Senonensis, MGH SS IX, p. 366.
[191] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber II, XXI, p. 233.
[192] Settipani (1993), p. 407.
[193] Settipani (1993), p. 407, citing Werner, K. F. (1967) 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)' Karl der Große, IV, p. 458.14


; Per Racines et Histoire (Vermandois): “Béatrice de Vermandois ° 880 + après 03/931
     ép.890 Robert 1er Roi de France ° 866 + 15/06/923”.15

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrice: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020111&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Béatrix: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/beatr001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), lin 53-18, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
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  10. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAPET.htm#RobertIdied923B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
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  13. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Béatrice de Vermandois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9atrice_de_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Beatrixdied931
  15. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues 'the Great': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020106&tree=LEO
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Giselbert (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Comte de Châlons sur Saône1,2,3

M, #4855, b. circa 890, d. 8 April 956
FatherManassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy4,2,5,6,3 b. c 860, d. a 925
MotherErmengarde (?) of Burgundy4,2,7,6,3 b. a 882, d. a 11 Aug 887
ReferenceGAV29 EDV30
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Giselbert (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Comte de Châlons sur Saône was born circa 890 at France.8,9 He married Ermengarde de Autun Css d'Autun circa 938.10,3,11,12

Giselbert (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Comte de Châlons sur Saône died on 8 April 956.10,13,3
     GAV-29 EDV-30 GKJ-30.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: II 23.2

Reference: Gordon Banks cites:
1. Marlyn Lewis, The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York (Arvada, CO: HT Communications, 1999).
2. Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before1700, 7th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999), pp. 118-9.4
Giselbert (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Comte de Châlons sur Saône was also known as Gilbert (?) d'Autun.11

; Per Med Lands:
     "GISELBERT, son of MANASSES Comte [de Dijon] & his wife Ermengarde --- (-Paris after Easter 956). The parentage of Giselbert is confirmed by a combination of documents: "Hirmingardis comitissa…Walonis filii eius, Gilleberti filii eius alterius" subscribed the testament of "Heriveus…Æduorum episcopus" dated 1 Nov 919 which names "genitricis nostræ domnæ Hirmingardis venerabilis comitissæ et fratrum nostrorum…domnus Walo pius Præsul et noster avunculus"[59]; the Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri names "Manasses…filius Gislebertus eiusdem Burgundiæ Dux"[60]; "Warulfus…virum nobilem…filio equivoco eius Warulfo" petitioned "Ermengardis comitisse…seu filii eius Gisleberti comitis" for some donated property of Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon by charter dated Jun 924[61]. Flodoard records that in 924 "Raginardus" captured "castellum…Mons sancti Iohannis" supported by "nepotum suorum, Walonis et Gisleberti", but that "Rodulfi rex" recaptured the castle later in the same year[62]. "Gisleberto comiti" is named in a charter of "Vuarulfo" dated 5 Jun 926[63]. Comte d´Autun: "Gislebertus…comes Heduensis" granted property to "suo fidele Guitbaldus…nec non eius coniuge Rutrudis" by charter dated 11 Dec 934, signed by "Gisleberti comitis, Ermengardi, Adaledis filiam eorum…"[64]. "Hugo...comes et marchio" donated property "in comitatu Belnensi...in uilla...Nolliacus et...in uilla Crisentiaco", for the souls of “genitoris nostri Richardi et Adheleidis”, in the presence of “Gilbertus comes, Albericus comes et filius eius Leotaldus et Adso noster fidelis”, by charter dated 1 Sep 936, subscribed by “...Roberti uicecomitis...”[65]. He became GISELBERT Duke of Burgundy, after his possible brothers-in-law Raoul and Hugues "le Noir" ceded him their rights to Burgundy in [936]. The Annales Nivernenses record the death "apud Parisius post pascha 956" of "Gislebertus comes"[66]. The Chronico Senonensi Sanctæ Columbæ records that "Gisleberto Principe Burgundionum" died "feria tertia post Pascha"[67]. The Chronicon of Odorannus records the death in 956 of “Gislebertus comes Burgundionem”, adding that “honorem eius cum filia...Leudegarde, ex qua postea a Radulpho Divionensi pipicus factus est” was received by “Otho frater Hugonis ducis”[68]. After Giselbert died, Lothaire King of the West Franks asserted control over the duchy of Burgundy[69].
     "m (before May 926) ERMENGARDE, daughter of ---. "Ermengars" sold land in Colonicas (pago Matisconense), with her husband "Gillevertus", by charter dated May 926[70]. According to Du Chesne in 1625[71], she was Ermengarde, daughter of Richard "le Justicier" Duke of Burgundy. More recently this affiliation has been challenged, in particular because she is not mentioned in her supposed mother's will[72]. In addition, if it is correct that Giselbert's mother was the daughter of King Boso (see the document BURGUNDIAN NOBILITY), she would have been her husband's first cousin, which seems unlikely to have been accepted by the church. "Gislebertus…comes Heduensis" granted property to "suo fidele Guitbaldus…nec non eius coniuge Rutrudis" by charter dated 11 Dec 934, signed by "Gisleberti comitis, Ermengardi, Adaledis filiam eorum…"[73]."
Med Lands cites:
[59] RHGF IX, p. 717.
[60] Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri, RHGF IX, p. 131.
[61] Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon, 28, p. 53.
[62] Flodoardi Annales 925, MGH SS III, pp. 373 and 374.
[63] Cluny, Tome I, 271, p. 265.
[64] Dijon Saint-Etienne, [Tome I], 38, p. 58.
[65] Autun Saint-Symphorien, 7.
[66] Annales Nivernenses 956, MGH SS XIII, p. 89.
[67] Chronico Senonensi Sanctæ Columbæ 955, RHGF IX, p. 41.
[68] Odoranni monachi Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensis Chronicon, Patrologia Latina, Vol. 142, col. 772.
[69] Settipani (1993), p. 411.
[70] Cluny, Tome I, 268, p. 260.
[71] Settipani (1993), p. 384 footnote 153, citing Du Chesne (1625) Vergy, p. 40.
[72] Settipani (1993), p. 384.
[73] Dijon Saint-Etienne, [Tome I], 38, p. 58.3

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid/Wera de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020192&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120370&tree=LEO
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Ermengarde de Autun Css d'Autun1,2,3

F, #4856, b. circa 893
ReferenceGAV29 EDV30
Last Edited27 Aug 2020
     Ermengarde de Autun Css d'Autun was born circa 893 at France.4 She was born circa 898.5 She married Giselbert (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Comte de Châlons sur Saône, son of Manassès II (?) Comte de Châlons-sur-Saone, de Auxin. Dijon, et de Vergy and Ermengarde (?) of Burgundy, circa 938.1,6,7,3

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GISELBERT, son of MANASSES Comte [de Dijon] & his wife Ermengarde --- (-Paris after Easter 956). The parentage of Giselbert is confirmed by a combination of documents: "Hirmingardis comitissa…Walonis filii eius, Gilleberti filii eius alterius" subscribed the testament of "Heriveus…Æduorum episcopus" dated 1 Nov 919 which names "genitricis nostræ domnæ Hirmingardis venerabilis comitissæ et fratrum nostrorum…domnus Walo pius Præsul et noster avunculus"[59]; the Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri names "Manasses…filius Gislebertus eiusdem Burgundiæ Dux"[60]; "Warulfus…virum nobilem…filio equivoco eius Warulfo" petitioned "Ermengardis comitisse…seu filii eius Gisleberti comitis" for some donated property of Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon by charter dated Jun 924[61]. Flodoard records that in 924 "Raginardus" captured "castellum…Mons sancti Iohannis" supported by "nepotum suorum, Walonis et Gisleberti", but that "Rodulfi rex" recaptured the castle later in the same year[62]. "Gisleberto comiti" is named in a charter of "Vuarulfo" dated 5 Jun 926[63]. Comte d´Autun: "Gislebertus…comes Heduensis" granted property to "suo fidele Guitbaldus…nec non eius coniuge Rutrudis" by charter dated 11 Dec 934, signed by "Gisleberti comitis, Ermengardi, Adaledis filiam eorum…"[64]. "Hugo...comes et marchio" donated property "in comitatu Belnensi...in uilla...Nolliacus et...in uilla Crisentiaco", for the souls of “genitoris nostri Richardi et Adheleidis”, in the presence of “Gilbertus comes, Albericus comes et filius eius Leotaldus et Adso noster fidelis”, by charter dated 1 Sep 936, subscribed by “...Roberti uicecomitis...”[65]. He became GISELBERT Duke of Burgundy, after his possible brothers-in-law Raoul and Hugues "le Noir" ceded him their rights to Burgundy in [936]. The Annales Nivernenses record the death "apud Parisius post pascha 956" of "Gislebertus comes"[66]. The Chronico Senonensi Sanctæ Columbæ records that "Gisleberto Principe Burgundionum" died "feria tertia post Pascha"[67]. The Chronicon of Odorannus records the death in 956 of “Gislebertus comes Burgundionem”, adding that “honorem eius cum filia...Leudegarde, ex qua postea a Radulpho Divionensi pipicus factus est” was received by “Otho frater Hugonis ducis”[68]. After Giselbert died, Lothaire King of the West Franks asserted control over the duchy of Burgundy[69].
     "m (before May 926) ERMENGARDE, daughter of ---. "Ermengars" sold land in Colonicas (pago Matisconense), with her husband "Gillevertus", by charter dated May 926[70]. According to Du Chesne in 1625[71], she was Ermengarde, daughter of Richard "le Justicier" Duke of Burgundy. More recently this affiliation has been challenged, in particular because she is not mentioned in her supposed mother's will[72]. In addition, if it is correct that Giselbert's mother was the daughter of King Boso (see the document BURGUNDIAN NOBILITY), she would have been her husband's first cousin, which seems unlikely to have been accepted by the church. "Gislebertus…comes Heduensis" granted property to "suo fidele Guitbaldus…nec non eius coniuge Rutrudis" by charter dated 11 Dec 934, signed by "Gisleberti comitis, Ermengardi, Adaledis filiam eorum…"[73]."
Med Lands cites:
[59] RHGF IX, p. 717.
[60] Vita Sanctii Viventii Presbyteri, RHGF IX, p. 131.
[61] Saint-Marcel-lès-Chalon, 28, p. 53.
[62] Flodoardi Annales 925, MGH SS III, pp. 373 and 374.
[63] Cluny, Tome I, 271, p. 265.
[64] Dijon Saint-Etienne, [Tome I], 38, p. 58.
[65] Autun Saint-Symphorien, 7.
[66] Annales Nivernenses 956, MGH SS XIII, p. 89.
[67] Chronico Senonensi Sanctæ Columbæ 955, RHGF IX, p. 41.
[68] Odoranni monachi Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensis Chronicon, Patrologia Latina, Vol. 142, col. 772.
[69] Settipani (1993), p. 411.
[70] Cluny, Tome I, 268, p. 260.
[71] Settipani (1993), p. 384 footnote 153, citing Du Chesne (1625) Vergy, p. 40.
[72] Settipani (1993), p. 384.
[73] Dijon Saint-Etienne, [Tome I], 38, p. 58.6
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Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III-1 Neu ; II 189 wrong.3

; NB: Some sources show Ermengarde as the dau. of Richard II "le Justicier", but that now seems to be unlikely. As stated by Med Lands: "According to Du Chesne in 1625[71], she was Ermengarde, daughter of Richard "le Justicier" Duke of Burgundy. More recently this affiliation has been challenged, in particular because she is not mentioned in her supposed mother's will[72]. In addition, if it is correct that Giselbert's mother was the daughter of King Boso (see the document BURGUNDIAN NOBILITY), she would have been her husband's first cousin, which seems unlikely to have been accepted by the church."
Conclusion: I have severed the father/dau. relationship that I had previously recorded between Richard II and this Ermengarde. GA Vaut.6,8 Ermengarde de Autun Css d'Autun was also known as Ermengarde heiress of Lower Burgundy.7

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselbert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120370&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengard de Autun: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020460&tree=LEO
  4. [S602] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. 14, Ed. 1, Family #2699 (n.p.: Release date: October 20, 1997, unknown publish date).
  5. [S640] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0021 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm#GiselbertBurgundydied956. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet4.html
  8. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 23 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Liégeard de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120372&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid|Wera de Bourgogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020192&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm#AdelaideM1RobertMeauxM2LambertM3Geoffroy
  12. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Adélaïde alias Werra: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/adela001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.

Richard II "le Justicier" (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Cte d'Auxerre, Cte de Châlons, de Mâcon, d'Autun, de Sens et de Nevers1,2

M, #4857, b. circa 858, d. 1 January 921
FatherBuvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze1,2 b. 830
MotherRichilde (?) d'Arles1 d. 883
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited13 Dec 2020
     Richard II "le Justicier" (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Cte d'Auxerre, Cte de Châlons, de Mâcon, d'Autun, de Sens et de Nevers was born circa 858;
Genealogy.EU says b. 868. Wikipedia says b. 858; Find A Grave says 858.1,3,4 He married Adelheid d'Auxerre (?) Princess of Burgundy, daughter of Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania and Waldrada/Wiltrud (?), in 888.1,2,3

Richard II "le Justicier" (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Cte d'Auxerre, Cte de Châlons, de Mâcon, d'Autun, de Sens et de Nevers died on 1 January 921 at abbaye de St. Colombe, Sens, France (now).1,5,2
Richard II "le Justicier" (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Cte d'Auxerre, Cte de Châlons, de Mâcon, d'Autun, de Sens et de Nevers was buried after 1 January 921 at Saint-Étienne Cathedral, Sens, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     858, France
     DEATH     921 (aged 62–63), France
     Richard the Justiciar, Count of Autun, Margrave and Duke of Burgundy. Son of Bivin or Budwine, Count of Italy, Lay Abbot of Gorze and Richildis of Arles, grandson of Richard Count of Amiens and Meaux and Boson III, the Elder, a line called the Bosonids. His siblings included Boso of Provence and King of Lower Burgundy and Richildis, the wife of Charles the Bald, the Holy Roman Emperor.
     Richard married Adelaide, the daughter of Conrad II, Count of Auxerre, Waldrada of Worms and Judith, daughter of Eberhard of Friuli. They had the following children:
* Rudolph, his father's successor and King of Francia
* Hught the Black, Duke of Burgundy
* Boso
* Ermengard, married Gilbert, Duke of Burgundy
* Adelaide, married Reginar II, Count of Hainaut
* Richilda, married Litaud I, Count of Macon
     Both brothers accompanied Charles to his imperial coronation in Pavia in February of 876, during which Charles promoted Boso to Duke and Viceroy of Italy. Charles would die in 877, Boso returned to France, entrusting Italy and Provence to Richard as Hugh the Abbot. Louis the Stammer, King of the West Franks died in 879, Boso claimed himself King of Provence, and Richard struck out on his own, taking Boso's Autun, starting the war between the brothers that ended only when Charles and Fat, in cahoots with Richard, captured Boso' wife, Ermengard, and her children, keeping them prisoners at Autun while Boso hid in Provence. Other reports indicate Ermengard took shelter with Richard in fear from Charles, Carloman and Louis III.
     At his death bed, Richard was encouraged to plea for a pardon for the blood he shed, to which he responded,"When I have died a brigand, I have saved the life of honest men, the death of one helping prevent his accomplices from making more evil."
     Family Members
     Parents
      Bivin de Vienne de Provence
      Richilde d'Arles
     Spouse
      Adelaide d'Auxerre
     Siblings
      Boso de Provence
      Richilde d'Ardennes de Provence 845–910
     Children
      Ermengarde de Bourgogne
      Rudolph de Bourgogne
     BURIAL     Saint-Étienne Cathedral, Sens, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France
     Maintained by: Anne Shurtleff Stevens
     Originally Created by: Jerry Ferren
     Added: 3 Dec 2010
     Find A Grave Memorial 62475819.1,4
     ; NB: Some sources show Ermengarde as the dau. of Richard II "le Justicier", but that now seems to be unlikely. As stated by Med Lands: "According to Du Chesne in 1625[71], she was Ermengarde, daughter of Richard "le Justicier" Duke of Burgundy. More recently this affiliation has been challenged, in particular because she is not mentioned in her supposed mother's will[72]. In addition, if it is correct that Giselbert's mother was the daughter of King Boso (see the document BURGUNDIAN NOBILITY), she would have been her husband's first cousin, which seems unlikely to have been accepted by the church."
Conclusion: I have severed the father/dau. relationship that I had previously recorded between Richard II and this Ermengarde. GA Vaut.6,7

; Per Genealogy.EU: "Richard II "le Justicier", Duc de Bourgogne, Cte d'Auxerre, Cte de Chalon, de Mâcon, d'Autun 898, de Sens et de Nevers (881-921), *868, +1.1.921, bur abbaye de St.Colombe, Sens; m.888 Adelaide de Bourgogne."8

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III-1 Neu corrections ;II 189 wrong.2

; from Wikipedia:
     "Richard, Duke of Burgundy (858–921), also known as Richard of Autun or Richard the Justiciar, was Count of Autun from 880 and the first Margrave and Duke of Burgundy. He eventually attained suzerainty over all the counties of Burgundy save Mâcon and by 890 he was referred to as dux (duke) and by 900 as marchio (margrave). By 918 he was being called dux Burgundionem or dux Burgundiae, which probably signified less the existence of a unified Burgundian dukedom than feudal suzerainty over a multiplicity of counties in a specific region.
Life
     "Richard was a Bosonid, the son of Bivin of Gorze and Richildis. His elder brother was Boso of Provence and his younger sister was Richildis, second wife of Charles the Bald.
     "In 875, after the death of the Emperor Louis II, Richard and Boso accompanied Charles to Italy for his imperial coronation. In February 876, in Pavia, while preparing for his return journey, Charles nominated Boso "Duke and Viceroy of Italy and Duke of Provence". In 877, on Charles' death, Boso returned to France and confided the realm of Italy and the duchy of Provence to Richard and Hugh the Abbot as missi dominici.
     "In 879, Boso declared himself "King of Provence" following the death of Louis the Stammerer, but Richard defected from Boso and took Boso's county of Autun, which Carloman II confirmed to him in 880. The two joined battle on the Saône and Richard captured Mâcon and garrisoned it in the name of Carloman and Louis III under the command of Bernard Plantapilosa, a relative of the hereditary Counts of Mâcon. After taking Lyon, he besieged his brother's capital of Vienne, where he was joined by Louis, Carloman, and the emperor Charles the Fat. Richard eventually drove Boso out in 882 and captured his wife Ermengard and children Engelberga and Louis, sending them as prisoners to Autun. Boso went into hiding in Provence.
     "After the death of Charles the Fat in 888, Richard supported the claim of Duke Rudolph to be King of Upper Burgundy and married his sister Adelaide, daughter of Conrad II of Auxerre. Richard also supported the coronation of his nephew Louis as King of Provence in 890.
     "Richard died and was buried at Sens. He was exhorted by a bishop at his deathbed to beg a pardon for shedding so much blood in his life. He responded:[citation needed]
“When I have killed a brigand, I have saved the life of honest men, the death of one helping prevent his accomplices from making more evil.”

Family
     "By his wife Adelaide (married 888),[1] daughter of Conrad II, Count of Auxerre, and Waldrada of Worms, he had several sons and daughters:
** Rudolph, successor and later King of Francia[2]
** Hugh the Black, later Duke of Burgundy[3]
** Boso,[4] married Bertha, daughter of Boso, Margrave of Tuscany
** Ermengard, married Gilbert, Duke of Burgundy
** Adelaide, married Reginar II, Count of Hainaut
** Richilda, married Litaud I, Count of Mâcon

Notes
1. The Bosonids or Rising to Power in the Late Carolingian Age, Constance B. Bouchard, French Historical Studies, Vol. 15, No. 3 (Spring, 1988), 415.
2. Constance Brittain Bouchard, Sword, Miter, and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980–1198, (Cornell University, 1987), 320.
3. Constance Brittain Bouchard, Sword, Miter, and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980–1198, 320.
4. Constance Brittain Bouchard, Sword, Miter, and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980–1198, 320.
Sources
** Bouchard, Constance B. "The Bosonids or Rising to Power in the Late Carolingian Age." French Historical Studies, Vol. 15, No. 3. (Spring, 1988), pp 407–431.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "RICHARD, son of comte BUVINUS [Bouvin] & his wife --- d'Arles (-[31 Aug or 1 or 29 Sep] 921, bur Abbaye de Sainte-Colombe de Sens, Yonne). The Annales Bertiniani name "Richardus frater Bosonis" when recording that, after the capture of Vienne by the forces of King Carloman, he took “uxorem Bosonis et filiam eius” back to “comitatum suum Augustudensem” in 882[2]. Gingins-la-Sarra suggests that Richard was the uterine brother of King Boson, their mother having married secondly Theoderic [VI] “le Trésorier” Comte d´Autun (see the document CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY)[3]. He refers to the testament dated to [Jan 876] of Ekkehard Comte d´Autun, possibly the brother of Theoderic [VI], which names "…Theoderico et Richardo filio eius…" among the beneficiaries[4]. He identifies “Richardo” with the future duke of Burgundy, although there seems to be no basis for assuming that this co-identity is correct other than the name. The name Richard is well-established in the Bosonid family, which does not appear to be the case in the Theoderic/Nibelung family to which Theoderic [VI] belonged, where it was probably recently introduced through Theoderic´s wife (Settipani suggests that she was the sister of King Boson´s father[5]). In addition, Richard Duke of Burgundy named one of his sons Boson, although this is not conclusive for establishing his paternity as the name also appears in Duke Richard´s maternal line. On the other hand, none of the typical names of the Theoderic/Nibelung family appear among the descendants of Duke Richard. In any case, the chronology does not appear favourable. Richard is named as count in 876 (see below). If he had been King Boson´s uterine brother, he could not have been more than ten years old at the time, which is incompatible with his bearing the comital title. Gingins-la-Sarra´s hypothesis cannot be dismissed entirely. However, it is a convoluted interpretation of the otherwise simple statement in the Annales Bertiniani that Richard was King Boson´s brother. Unless further information comes to light in other sources, it is suggested that the simple explanation is the best. An agreement dated Feb 876 of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks names "Bosonis…ducis et sacri palatii archiministri atque imperiali missi, Richardi comitis…" as present in Italy with the king, although it fails to specify the family relationship between them[6]. "Richardus comes" is named as present in a charter dated 4 Sep 876 under which Emperor Charles II "le Chauve" granted property "villam…Piredus in pago Senonico"[7]. He presumably assumed the role of his brother Boson as missus in Italy in early 877, when the latter was recalled by Emperor Charles II. "Richardi comitis, Teutbaldi comitis, Bernardi comitis" subscribed the charter dated 25 Jul 879 under which "Boso…et coniunx mea Hirmingardi proles imperiales" donated property "in pago Laticense…in villa Lantinus" to the abbey of Montiérender[8]. Comte d’Autun. At first sight, this might appear to provide the missing connection with Theoderic [VI], who was also Comte d´Autun. However, it is recorded that King Boson disputed Theoderic´s right to the county, in which case it is unlikely that he would have awarded it to Theoderic´s son. Richard established himself in the future duchy of Burgundy, north of his brother's realm, with his capital at Autun. “Carlomannus…Rex” restored property “villam Taniacum” to the church of Autun, at the request of “Richardi Comiti Augustodensis”, by charter dated 1 Dec 880, the text ending with “Theodoricus Comes ambasciavit”[9]. He was invested as lay abbot of Saint-Symphorien by Carloman King of the East Franks in 880. He led the Carolingian army which besieged his brother King Boson at Vienne in 882. The counties in Burgundy, except Mâcon, submitted to him. He succeeded his wife's uncle Hugues l'Abbé as Comte d'Auxerre in 886. He was later known as RICHARD "le Justicier" Duke of Burgundy, although it is unlikely that he was considered at the time as founder of a unified duchy of Burgundy as such, rather as the suzerain of various counties who held the title "duke". "Richardo marchione…eius filiis Rodulpho, Hugone atque Bosone…comitibus" were present at the restitution of property at "Tiliniaco et Canavis" by charter dated 5 Sep 901[10]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Rollo besieged “Carnotenam urbem” [Chartres] but was forced to withdraw by "Richardus Burgundionum dux...cum...Antelmus episcopus"[11]. A charter dated 5 Sep 918 records the restitution of “res Sancti Nazarii sitas in villa...Canavas ad Tiliniacum” to the church of Autun, in the presence of “Domno Richardo...Marchione...et...illius filiis Rodulfo atque Bozone”[12]. The death of "Richardus marchio de Burgundia" is recorded by Flodoard in 921[13]. The Annales S. Benigni Divisionensis record the death "II Kal Sep 921" of "Ricardus comes"[14]. The Historia Francorum Senonensis records the death "Kal Sep" of "Richardus dux Burgundiæ", and his burial "in basilica sanctæ Columbæ"[15]. The sacrementaire of Sens cathedral records the death "III Kal Oct" of "Ricardi comitis"[16]. The necrology of Auxerre cathedral records the death 1 Sep of "Richardus comes"[17].
     "m ([887/88]) ADELAIS, daughter of CONRAD Marquis of Transjurania [Welf] & his wife Waldrada --- (-after 14 Jul 929). "Adeleth…comitissa" donated property "villam Poligniacum in comitatu Warasco" to Autun naming "filii mei Hugonis comitis" by charter dated 24 Apr 922, subscribed by "Hugo comes, Rodulphus comes, Boso comes" and witnessed by "Wallonis comitis…"[18]. Her origin is deduced by her being named as sister of "Rodulfi regis" (Rudolf I King of Burgundy) in the latter's 10 Jun 888 charter[19], as well as in her own 14 Jan 929 grant to Cluny, the 929 charter also naming "Richardi principis domni mei"[20]. After her husband died, she retired to a monastery. She transferred the monastery of Roman-Moutier to the monastery of Cluny by charter dated 14 Jul 929[21].
     "[Mistress (1): ---. As mentioned below, it is likely that Duke Richard's son Gebuin was illegitimate. If this is correct, the name of his mistress is not known.]
Med Lands cites:
[2] Annales Bertiniani III 882.
[3] Gingins-la-Sarra (1851), p. 39.
[4] Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire, XXV, p. 59.
[5] Settipani (1993), p. 366.
[6] Karoli II Conventus Ticinensis, MGH LL 1, p. 528.
[7] RHGF VIII, CCLXV, p. 654.
[8] Recueil Actes Provence, 16, p. 31.
[9] RHGF IX, p. 418.
[10] Autun (Charmasse), Vol. I, 22, p. 35.
[11] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber II, XV, p. 230.
[12] Plancher (1739), Tome I, Preuves, XIX, p.xvi.
[13] Flodoard, 921, MGH SS III, p. 369.
[14] Annales S. Benigni Divionensis 921, MGH SS V, p. 40.
[15] Hugonis Floriacensis, Historia Francorum Senonensis, MGH SS IX, p. 366.
[16] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Eglise cathédrale de Sens, Sacrementaire Sénonais des ix-x siècles, p. 2.
[17] Histoire d´Auxerre, Tome IV, p. 17.
[18] Autun, Vol. I, 10, p. 14.
[19] Cluny, Tome I, 33, p. 39.
[20] Cluny, Tome I, 379, p. 358.
[21] Cluny, Tome I, 379, p. 358.9
GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30.

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Richard, Duke of Burgundy (858–921), also known as Richard of Autun or Richard the Justiciar, was Count of Autun from 880 and the first Margrave and Duke of Burgundy. He eventually attained suzerainty over all the counties of Burgundy save Mâcon and by 890 he was referred to as dux (duke) and by 900 as marchio (margrave). By 918 he was being called dux Burgundionem or dux Burgundiae, which probably signified less the existence of a unified Burgundian dukedom than feudal suzerainty over a multiplicity of counties in a specific region.
Life
     "Richard was a Bosonid, the son of Bivin of Gorze and Richildis. His elder brother was Boso of Provence and his younger sister was Richildis, second wife of Charles the Bald.
     "In 875, after the death of the Emperor Louis II, Richard and Boso accompanied Charles to Italy for his imperial coronation. In February 876, in Pavia, while preparing for his return journey, Charles nominated Boso "Duke and Viceroy of Italy and Duke of Provence". In 877, on Charles' death, Boso returned to France and confided the realm of Italy and the duchy of Provence to Richard and Hugh the Abbot as missi dominici.
     "In 879, Boso declared himself "King of Provence" following the death of Louis the Stammerer, but Richard defected from Boso and took Boso's county of Autun, which Carloman II confirmed to him in 880. The two joined battle on the Saône and Richard captured Mâcon and garrisoned it in the name of Carloman and Louis III under the command of Bernard Plantapilosa, a relative of the hereditary Counts of Mâcon. After taking Lyon, he besieged his brother's capital of Vienne, where he was joined by Louis, Carloman, and the emperor Charles the Fat. Richard eventually drove Boso out in 882 and captured his wife Ermengard and children Engelberga and Louis, sending them as prisoners to Autun. Boso went into hiding in Provence.
     "After the death of Charles the Fat in 888, Richard supported the claim of Duke Rudolph to be King of Upper Burgundy and married his sister Adelaide, daughter of Conrad II of Auxerre. Richard also supported the coronation of his nephew Louis as King of Provence in 890.
     "Richard died and was buried at Sens. He was exhorted by a bishop at his deathbed to beg a pardon for shedding so much blood in his life. He responded:[citation needed]
“When I have killed a brigand, I have saved the life of honest men, the death of one helping prevent his accomplices from making more evil.”

Family
     "By his wife Adelaide (married 888),[1] daughter of Conrad II, Count of Auxerre, and Waldrada of Worms, he had several sons and daughters:
* Rudolph, successor and later King of Francia[2]
* Hugh the Black, later Duke of Burgundy[3]
* Boso,[4] married Bertha, daughter of Boso, Margrave of Tuscany
* Ermengard, married Gilbert, Duke of Burgundy
* Adelaide, married Reginar II, Count of Hainaut
* Richilda, married Litaud I, Count of Mâcon
Notes
1. The Bosonids or Rising to Power in the Late Carolingian Age, Constance B. Bouchard, French Historical Studies, Vol. 15, No. 3 (Spring, 1988), 415.
2. Constance Brittain Bouchard, Sword, Miter, and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980–1198, (Cornell University, 1987), 320.
3. Constance Brittain Bouchard, Sword, Miter, and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980–1198, 320.
4. Constance Brittain Bouchard, Sword, Miter, and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980–1198, 320.
Sources
* Bouchard, Constance B. "The Bosonids or Rising to Power in the Late Carolingian Age." French Historical Studies, Vol. 15, No. 3. (Spring, 1988), pp 407–431.3 He was duc de Bourgogne (See attached map from Wikipedia: By Marco Zanoli (Sidonius) - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=5942847) circa 890.3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard 'le Justicier': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020421&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard,_Duke_of_Burgundy. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  4. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 12 October 2019), memorial page for Richard Duke of Burgundy (858–921), Find A Grave Memorial no. 62475819, citing Saint-Étienne Cathedral, Sens, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France ; Maintained by Anne Shurtleff Stevens (contributor 46947920), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/62475819/richard-duke_of-burgundy. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  5. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 155-18, p. 135. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm#GiselbertBurgundydied956. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 23 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bosonides: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Dukes of Burgundy: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilde/Richeut d'Autun: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208294&tree=LEO

Adelheid d'Auxerre (?) Princess of Burgundy1

F, #4858, b. circa 872, d. after 921
FatherKonrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania2,1,3,4 b. c 805, d. b 876
MotherWaldrada/Wiltrud (?)5,1 b. 801
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited13 Dec 2020
     Adelheid d'Auxerre (?) Princess of Burgundy was born circa 872 at Auxerre, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France (now); Wikipedia says b. 865-870.6,7,8,9 She married Richard II "le Justicier" (?) Duc de Bourgogne, Cte d'Auxerre, Cte de Châlons, de Mâcon, d'Autun, de Sens et de Nevers, son of Buvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze and Richilde (?) d'Arles, in 888.10,11,12

Adelheid d'Auxerre (?) Princess of Burgundy died after 921 at Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France (now); Note on Find A Grave says d. 14 Sept 929.1,8
Adelheid d'Auxerre (?) Princess of Burgundy was buried after 921 at Saint-Étienne Cathedral, Sens, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Auxerre, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France
     DEATH     unknown, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France
     Death:9/14/929
     Married 888
     Family Members
     Parents
          Conrad II le Jeune d'Auxerre unknown–876
          Waldrada d'Orleans 801 – unknown
     Spouse
          Richard Duke of Burgundy 858–921
     Half Siblings
          Robert The Strong of Orleans 820–866
     Children
          Ermengarde de Bourgogne
          Rudolph de Bourgogne
     BURIAL     Saint-Étienne Cathedral, Sens, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 26 Mar 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 144193639.8
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III-1 189.1

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Adelaide of Auxerre (born between 865[1] - 870) was a Duchess consort of Burgundy in the Middle Ages. She was the daughter of Conrad II, Duke of Transjurane Burgundy[2] and his wife Waldrada of Worms. In 888, she married Richard, Duke of Burgundy. They had probably three or five children :
** Rudolph of France,[3] who married Emma of France, daughter of Robert I of France
** Hugh the Black[4]
** Boson (895-935)
** Adelaide of Burgundy, married Reginar II, Count of Hainaut.
** Ermengarde of Burgundy (born c. 905 and died c. 945)

Notes
1. Christian Settipani, La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien. Études sur quelques grandes familles d'Aquitaine et du Languedoc, du IXe au XIe siècles. Toulousain, Périgord, Limousin, Poitou, Auvergne, Linacre College, Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2004, p. 27 (lire en ligne).
2. Timothy Reuter. The Annals of Fulda.
3. Constance B. Bouchard. The Bosonids or Rising to Power in the Late Carolingian Age.
4. Constance B. Bourchard, Those of my Blood: Constructing Noble Families in Medieval Francia (University of Pennsylvania Press, 2001.)9"



; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELAIS (-after 14 Jul 929). "Adeleth…comitissa" donated property "villam Poligniacum in comitatu Warasco" to Autun naming "filii mei Hugonis comitis" by charter dated 24 Apr 922, subscribed by "Hugo comes, Rodulphus comes, Boso comes" and witnessed by "Wallonis comitis…"[92]. Her origin is deduced by her being named as sister of "Rodulfi regis" (Rudolf I King of Burgundy) in the latter's 10 Jun 888 charter[93], as well as in her own 14 Jan 929 grant to Cluny, the 929 charter also naming "Richardi principis domni mei"[94]. After her husband died, she retired to a monastery. She transferred the monastery of Roman-Moutier to the monastery of Cluny by charter dated 14 Jul 929[95]. m ([887/88]) RICHARD Comte d'Autun, son of comte BUVINUS [Bouvin] & his wife --- d'Arles (-1 Jan 921, bur Sens, abbaye de Sainte-Colombe). He was later known as RICHARD "le Justicier" Duke of Burgundy.
Med Lands cites:
[92] Dijon Saint-Bénigne I, 151, p. 169, headed "Acte suspect" in the compilation which refers to Ademar as "comte" in the title although this is not reflected in the text reproduced.
[93] Dijon Saint-Bénigne I, 179, p. 184.
[94] Dijon Saint-Bénigne I, 151, p. 169, headed "Acte suspect" in the compilation which refers to Ademar as "comte" in the title although this is not reflected in the text reproduced.
[95] Dijon Saint-Bénigne I, 151, p. 169, headed "Acte suspect" in the compilation which refers to Ademar as "comte" in the title although this is not reflected in the text reproduced.13
GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-30. Adelheid d'Auxerre (?) Princess of Burgundy was also known as Adelheid (?) d'Auxerre.1 She was living in 921.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid d'Auxerre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020422&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020419&tree=LEO
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Welf 1 page - The House of Welfen: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf1.html
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20KINGS.htm#ConradAuxerreMWaldrada. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Welf 1 page (The House of Welfen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf1.html
  6. [S602] Inc. Brøderbund Software, World Family Tree Vol. 14, Ed. 1, Family #2699 (n.p.: Release date: October 20, 1997, unknown publish date).
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 155-18, p. 135. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  8. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 18 November 2019), memorial page for Adelaide d'Auxerre (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 144193639, citing Saint-Étienne Cathedral, Sens, Departement de l'Yonne, Bourgogne, France ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144193639/adelaide-d_auxerre. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  9. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_of_Auxerre_(born_c._870). Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard 'le Justicier': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020421&tree=LEO
  12. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard,_Duke_of_Burgundy.
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20KINGS.htm#AdelaideMRichardBurgundy
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richilde/Richeut d'Autun: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208294&tree=LEO

Buvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze1,2

M, #4859, b. 830
FatherRichard (?) Comte d'Amiens3,4 d. bt 839 - 12 Nov 842
ReferenceGAV30 EDV30
Last Edited28 Jun 2020
     Buvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze married Richilde (?) d'Arles, daughter of Boson "l'Ancien" (?) Cte de Valois and Engeltrude (?) d'Amiens.5
Buvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze was born in 830 at Amiens, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France (now).5,6
Buvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze was buried after 868 at St. Stephen's Church, Gorze, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, Amiens, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France
     DEATH     unknown, Metz, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France
     Birth:810, Death:863. King of Provence, Count of Autun, Metz & Vienne, Count in the Ardennengouw, Count of Ardenne. Bivin or Budwine, Count of Italy, Lay Abbot of Gorze.
     Family Members
     Parents
      Richard d'Amiens
     Spouse
      Richilde d'Arles
     Children
      Boso de Provence
      Richilde d'Ardennes de Provence 845–910
      Richard Duke of Burgundy 858–921
     BURIAL     St Stephen's Church, Gorze, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 29 May 2015
     Find A Grave Memorial 147146983.6
     Buvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze was also known as Bivin of Gorze, Count of the Ardennes.7,8

Reference: Weis [1992:50] Line 49-16.9 GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31. Buvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze was also known as Theodore (?) d'Ardennes. Buvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze was also known as Budwine (?) Count of Metz.9 Buvinus (?) comte de Metz, abbe laique de Gorze was also known as Bivin (?) Cte d'Ardenne.5
; NB: The relationship between Buvinus Comte de Metz and Boson l'Ancien has been explored by Settipani [1993] and is summarized by Wikipédia (Fr.) as follows:
Hypothèse actuelle
     "Mais cette reconstitution est en contradiction avec les Annales de Saint-Bertin, qui indiquent que la reine Teutberge est la tante maternelle de Boson3. Il en ressort que Bivin ne peut pas être frère de Teutberge, mais marié à une des sœurs de cette dernière.
     "Deux autres documents permettent d'envisager une autre piste pour l'origine de Bivin :
** un diplôme de l'empereur Lothaire Ier confirme en 842 une donation faite par Richard, comte et ostiaire de Louis le Pieux à la demande des exécuteurs testamentaires dont son frère Bivin.
** l'historien Richer, parlant de Charles Constantin, comte de Vienne et arrière-petit-fils de Bivin, le dit de famille royale, mais entachée de bâtardise au niveau de son tritavus, c'est-à-dire son ancêtre à la sixième génération.
     "À partir de ces données, Christian Settipani propose la reconstitution suivante4,5,6 :
1. il considère que la famille royale dont Charles Constantin est membre est la famille carolingienne, et que le terme de « famille » concerne dans ce contexte exclusivement la lignée masculine.
2. il considère que, chronologiquement, le tritavus est un fils bâtard de Charles Martel.
3. les seuls fils bâtards connus de Charles Martel sont Remi, évêque de Rouen, qui n'a pas eu de descendance, et le comte Jérôme. Pour Settipani, le tritavus de Charles Constantin est le comte Jérôme.
4. Les prénoms de Richard, porté par un frère et un fils de Bivin, sont peu fréquents au viiie siècle et la seconde épouse du comte Jérôme est une princesse gothe. Il rapproche le prénom de Richard avec celui de Reccared porté par deux rois des Wisigoths (Reccared Ier et Reccared II) et identifie les générations intermédiaires avec les quelques Richard connus."
See the attached diagram of the ancestry as proposed by Settipani [1993], from Wikipédia (Fr.)
Conclusion: Settipani's proposals a certainly speculative, and Med Lands offers a critique and some counter-proposals (which are noted in my Med Lands Notes for the individuals concerned. For now, I have chosed to try to reconstruct the lineage as outlined by Settipani (see attached chart). GA Vaut.4,10,11 He was living between 842 and 862.1

Citations

  1. [S1779] J Bunot, "Bunot email 24 Jan 2005: "Re: d'Auvergne -> Toulouse or Arles"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/v7pU1OHfzao/m/Q7W2eWudpCAJ) to e-mail address, 24 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 24 Jan 2005."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Buvinus (Bouvin): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020448&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020450&tree=LEO
  4. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Bivin de Vienne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bivin_de_Vienne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Boson page (Bosonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html
  6. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 12 October 2019), memorial page for Bivin de Vienne de Provence (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 147146983, citing St Stephen's Church, Gorze, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147146983/bivin-de_vienne-de_provence. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  7. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richilde_of_Provence. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  8. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bivin_of_Gorze
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 49-16, p. 50. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S4753] Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens, 481-987, première partie - Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (n.p.: Van Kerrebrouck, 1993). Hereinafter cited as Settipani [1993] La Préhistoire des Capétiens.
  11. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 25 June 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  12. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boso_of_Provence
  13. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PROVENCE.htm#BosonKingProvencedied887B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Buvinus (Bouvin): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120448&tree=LEO
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richeut/Richardis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020075&tree=LEO
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#RichildeMCharlesIIWestFranksdied877
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard 'le Justicier': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020421&tree=LEO

Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania1,2

M, #4860, b. circa 805, d. before 876
FatherKonrad I 'the Elder' (?) Count of Auxerre, Graf in Argengau und Linzgau3,1,2,4,5,6 b. c 810, d. 16 Feb 863
MotherAelis/Adelaide (?) de Tours3,1,2,4,7 b. 819, d. a Sep 866
ReferenceGAV30 EDV30
Last Edited17 Apr 2020
     Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania married Judith (?) of Friuli, daughter of Eberhard I (?) Margrave of Friuli and Gisla (?) de Francia.8
Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania was born circa 805.9 He married Waldrada/Wiltrud (?), daughter of Adrian (?) Count of Orléans and Waldrada (?), after 834
;
Her 2nd husbad; his 2nd wife. Her 1st husband d. 834.10,1,11,12
Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania died before 876.1
Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania died in 881.13
     He was Markgraf of Bourgogne, Count d'Auxerre.13

; NB: Genealogics has two listings for a Konrad II:
     Listing #1: 1. Konrad II, Markgraf of Bourgogne, Count d'Auxerre - no parents shown, d. 881.
Genealogics listing #1 cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 1.

     Listing #2: 1. Konrad II, Count of Auxerre, son of Konrad I & Aelis de Tours, c830-bef 876.
Genealogics listing #2 cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:736.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band I, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Tafel 11.
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band II, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Tafel 23.
4. Biogr. details drawn from Wikipedia.

I have chosen to follow Genealogics Listing #2 which agrees with Med Lands. GA Vaut.14,15,12

GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

; Per Med Lands:
     "CONRAD, son of CONRAD [Welf] Comte de Paris & his wife --- (-876). His parentage is deduced from Regino who names "Ruodolfus filius Chuonradi, nepos Huggonis abbatis"[87], the latter being recorded in the Miraculis Sancti Germani as "Hugo" one of the sons of "Chuonradus princeps", the patron of the church of Saint-Germain at Auxerre[88]. He helped save Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks after the invasion of Ludwig II "der Deutsche" King of the East Franks. Comte d'Auxerre. He fell into disgrace in 861, and passed into the service of the sons of Emperor Lothaire. He received from King Louis II the territories of Geneva, Lausanne and Sion. Marquis of Transjurania (which later evolved into the kingdom of Burgundy) in Dec 864 after he killed comte Hubert [Bosonide][89].
     "m WALDRADA, daughter of ---. Louis III "le Bègue" King of the West Franks confirmed the property of the abbey of Saint-Germain d'Auxerre, including property "villam…Modolaius" and the church built there donated by "Conradus comes…mulieris suæ Vadraldæ", by charter dated 29 Jan 877[90]."
Med Lands cites:
[87] Reginonis Chronicon 888, MGH SS I, p. 598.
[88] Ex Heirici Miraculis S. Germani 5, MGH SS XIII, p. 402.
[89] Settipani (1993), p. 383 footnote 150.12


; Per Wikipedia:
     "Conrad II the Younger was the Count of Auxerre from 864 until his death in 876. He was a son of Conrad I of Auxerre, and Adelaide of Tours; an older brother of Hugh the Abbot; and a member of the Bavarian branch of the Welfs.
     "In 858, at the coaxing of Charles the Bald, his cousin, he and his brother betrayed Louis the German when he sent them on an espionage mission and went over to Charles, who rewarded them handsomely because he had lost his Bavarian honores. He acted as Duke of Transjurane (Upper) Burgundy from then until about 864.
     "He married Judith, daughter of Eberhard of Friuli, and later Waldrada of Worms, by whom he left a son, Rudolf,[1] who later became King of Transjurane Burgundy, and a daughter, Adelaide of Auxerre, who married Richard, Duke of Burgundy, and had issue.
References
1. Poupardin 1964, p. 63.
Sources
** Poupardin, Rene (1964). "The Carolingian Kingdoms (877-913)". In Gwatkin, H.M; Whitney, J.P; Tanner, J.R; Previte-Orton, C.W. (eds.) Cambridge Medieval History: Germany and the Western Empire. III. Cambridge at the University Press."4



Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 11; II 23.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 736.1
Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania was also known as Konrad II Markgraf of Bourgogne, Count d'Auxerre.13 Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania was also known as Conrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Transjurane Burgundy.4 Konrad II 'the Younger' (?) Duke of Burgundy, Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania was also known as Conrad Cte d'Auxerre, Margrave of Transjurania.10
; NB: The Henry Project has the following commentaries on the various proposed marriages of Judith:
"Conjectured husband of daughter Engletrude or Judith (unlikely):
     'Heinrich (of "Babenberg"), d. 28 August 886, dux Austrasiorum, marquis in Neustria.
     'For Heinrich, see above. This hypothesis is based partly on the commonly stated theory that Heinrich was the father-in-law of Otto "der Erlauchten", duke of Saxony, and partly on the above mentioned passage in Vita Hathumodae, and is similar to the conjecture of Eckhart and Krüger, but with an added generation and a different daughter of Eberhard, i.e., either Judith [Decker-Hauff (1955), 292-309] or Engeltrude [Eckhardt (1963), 50ff., not seen by me, but outlined by Werner (1967), 452, n. 25]. Decker-Hauff supports this by an onomastic argument that Heinrich had a son Adalard, as did Eberhard, and he conjectures another son Berengar for Heinrich as additional support [Decker-Hauff (1955), 301]. Eckhardt noted that the confraternity book of Reichenau contains an entry naming a Heimirichi and an Engildrud adjacent to one another [MGH Libri Confrat., 267 (#396, lines 15-16)]. This descent of the German king Heinrich I from Eberhard of Friuli has benn accepted by some [e.g., Keats-Rohan (1997), 196-7, 201-2; Jackman (2000), 131-2], but there is no shortage of other explanations for the royal descent of Heinrich which is apparently indicated by the Vita Hathumodae. Metz pointed out that none of the names given to children of Eberhard appear among the children of Heinrich I of Germany, and suggested that the Carolingian ancestry of Heinrich I came via an otherwise unknown daughter of either Charlemagne or Louis the Pious [Metz (1964), 286]. Geldner would make marquis Heinrich's wife a conjectured daughter of a count Adalard (different from Eberhard's son of that name) and descendant of Louis the Pious [Geldner (1971), table]. Hlawitschka conjectures a remoter descent of marquis Heinrich's wife from king Carloman, brother of Charlemagne [Hlawitschka (1974), 146-165; Hlawitschka (2006), 44-52].
     'There are other reasons to be skeptical about the theory. Heinrich I of Germany was born about 876 [he was aged about 60 at his death in 936, Widukind, i, 41, MGH SS 3: 435-6]. Since Heinrich had two elder brothers who died young, his parents are unlikely to have been married after 873, and they were probably married a few years earlier. Allowing 30 years for two 15-year generations, we see that it is very unlikely that Heinrich's maternal grandmother was born later than 843, with a significantly earlier date being much more probable. Gisela could not have been any older than 24 in 843, and she was probably younger. Since Judith appears to have been the youngest of at least nine children of Gisela, it is very improbable that she was born by 843. It is true that in his outline of the family of Gisela, Decker-Hauff provides estimated dates which would give Gisela seven children by 840, but he does this by placing her birth late in 819 (the earliest possible) and by giving her one child in each of the years 834 through 840. However, such extremes are far from probable. Unless major reshuffling of the order of the children is required compared to the order in which they were listed by Gisela, the eldest daughter Engeltrude is the only one who would make a chronologically feasible candidate for this conjecture. However, as pointed out by Werner and Hlawitschka, there is a good reason to doubt that Engeltrude was the wife of Heinrich "of Babenberg". As noted above, on 2 April 870, Engeltrude's mother Gisela gave donations to Cysoing toward the burial of her and Engeltrude ["... ea ratione ut a die presenti idem locus ad quietem meam vel filie mee Ingeltrudis preparatus..." Cart. Cysoing, 8-9 (#4)]. It is very unlikely that Gisela would have been making arrangements for Engeltrude's future burial if she were then married to Heinrich. It is much more likely that Engeltrude was either unmarried or widowed at the time and living with Gisela [Werner (1967), 452, n. 5; Hlawitschka (1974), 163, n. 275]. Thus, the wife of Heinrich "of Babenberg" is unlikely to have been a daughter of Eberhard of Friuli.
"Other conjectured husbands of daughter Judith:
     'In addition to the above supposed marriage to Heinrich, there are at least four other marriages that have been attributed to Eberhard's daughter Judith at one time or another. There does not seem to be any convincing evidence for any of them.
** Guido, count of Camerino. This marriage was suggested by Wüstenfeld, and accepted by Poupardin [Wüstenfeld (1863), 406, table after p. 432; Poupardin (1901), 389, 391]. A similar marriage was given by Chaume (with the wife called "Yuta", daughter of Eberhard) [Chaume (1925), 535 (table #4)]. There are significant differences between Wüstenfeld and Chaume as to the placement of this Guido in the "Widonid" family.
** Adalbert "der Erlauchte", fl. 854-894?, count in Thurgau. Hlawitschka attributed this theory to Dungern and others [Hlawitschka (2006), 132].
** Liuto, fl. 878, advocate in Rheinau. Hlawitschka, who attributed this theory to Bühler, preferred this alternative [Hlawitschka (2006), 132].
** Conrad, count of Auxerre. [ES 2: 188A, source not clear]"

The Henry Project cites:
** Cart. Cysoing = Ignace de Coussemaker, Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Cysoing et de ses dépendances (Lille, 1883).
** Chaume (1925) = Maurice Chaume, Les origines du duché de Bourgogne, 4 vols. (Dijon, 1925).
** Decker-Hauff (1955) = Hansmartin Decker-Hauff, "Die Ottonen und Schwaben", Zeitschrift für Württemburgische Landesgeschichte 14 (1955), 233-371.
** Eckhardt (1963) = K. A. Eckhardt, Genealogische Funde zur allgemeinen Geschichte (1963). [I have not seen this work.]
** ES = Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln (neue Folge), (Marburg, 1980-present).
** Geldner (1971) = Ferdinand Geldner, Neue Beiträge zur Geschichte der "Alten Babenberger" (Meisenbach, 1971).
** Hlawitschka (1974) = Eduard Hlawitschka, "Zur Herkunft der Liudolfinger und zu einigen Corveyer Geschichtsquellen", Rheinische Vierteljahrsblätter 38 (1974): 92-165.
** Hlawitschka (2006) = Eduard Hlawitschka, Die Ahnen de hochmittelalterlichen deutschen Könige, Kaiser und ihrer Gemahlinnen. Ein kommentiertes Tafelwerk. Band I: 911-1137, 2 vols. (MGH Hilfsmittel, 25, Hannover, 2006).
** Jackman (2000) = Donald C. Jackman, "Cousins of the German Carolingians", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 117-139.
** Keats-Rohan (1997) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997): 187-204. Also available in French as "Poppa 'de Bayeux' et sa famille", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 140-153.
** Metz (1964) = Wolfgang Metz, "Die Abstammung König Heinrichs I." Historisches Jahrbuch 84 (1964): 271-287.
** MGH Libri Confrat. = Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Libri Confraterintatum Sancti Galli Augiensis Fabariensis (Berlin, 1884).
** MGH SS = Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series.
** Poupardin (1901) = René Poupardin, Le royaume de Provence sous les Carolingiens (Paris, 1901).
** Werner (1967) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)", Karl der Große 4 (1967): 403-483.
** Wüstenfeld (1863) = Ch. Wüstenfeld, "Ueber die Herzoge von Spoleto aus dem Hause der Guidonen", Forschungen zur Deutschen Geschichte 3 (1863): 383-432."16
;      NB. There seems to be some confusion about which Konrad II was the son of Konrad I Count of Auxerre. Genealogics, Med Lands and Wikipedia seem to agree on a Konrad II, son of Konrad I, and who m. Waldrada. Wikipedia also shows Konrad II as having married both: m1. Judith of Friuli (a daughter of Eberhard of Friuli), and later m2. Waldrada of Worms.
     Genealogics has a Konrad II (c830-bef876) , son of Konrad I, who m. Waldrada/Vaudree. This Konrad I had a son Rudolf I, King of Upper Bourgogne, and a dau. Adelheid d'Auxerre (who m. Richard 'le Justicier', Count of Autun and Duke of Burgundy.
     Med Lands, has a Conrad, son of Conrad (Welf) who m. Waldrada and had a son Rudolf I, King of Upper Burgundy, and a dau. Adelais who m. Richard comte d'Autun.
     Wikipedia (regarding Conrad I and II) shows a Conrad I 'the Elder' who had a son Conrad II 'the Younger' who "married Judith, daughter of Eberhard of Friuli, and later Waldrada of Worms" and who had the same son, Rudolf, and dau., Adelaide.

     The confusion seems to lie when examining the proposals of those who attribute the Adeldunde who m. Ehrenfried I, Graf von Bliesgau, to a "Konrad of Burgundy".
     Wikipedia (regarding Ehrenfried I) says that Ehrenfried m. "Adelgunde of Burgundy (860–902), a daughter of Conrad II, Duke of Transjurane Burgundy, Count of Auxerre, and Judith de Frioul." However, the Wikipedia page for this Conrad II (see above) does not list a dau. named Adelgunde for that Conrad II.
     Genealogy.EU (Cleves 2) says: "Erenfried I, Gf im Bliesgau und Charmois, fl 866/904; m. Adelgunde, dau. of Konrad of Burgundy, and left issue"
     Wikipedia (regarding Eberhard of Friuli) says that Eberhard had a dau. "Judith of Friuli (died ca. 881), first married Arnulf I of Bavaria, second married Conrad II of Auxerre."

     I have chosen to show Konrad II 'the Younger' as having m1. Judith of Friuli (a daughter of Eberhard of Friuli), and later m2. Waldrada of Worms. I choose to show Adelgunde as the dau. of his first marriage with Judith and Rudolf & Adelheid as the children of his second marriage with Waldrada. GA Vaut.9,12,4,17,18,19,20,21,22

Family 2

Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020419&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Welf 1 page - The House of Welfen: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020396&tree=LEO
  4. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_II,_Duke_of_Transjurane_Burgundy. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Welf I page (The House of Welfen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf1.html
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WURTTEMBERG.htm#ConradIParisdiedafter862. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aelis de Tours: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020389&tree=LEO
  8. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44679
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020419&tree=LEO
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Welf 1 page (The House of Welfen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf1.html
  11. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldrada_of_Worms
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20KINGS.htm#ConradAuxerreMWaldrada
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120332&tree=LEO
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Konrad II (Listing #1): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120332&tree=LEO
    Konrad II (Listing #2): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020419&tree=LEO
  15. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 14 April 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  16. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Eberhard: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/eberh000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  17. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_I,_Count_of_Auxerre.
  18. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erenfried_I
  19. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Cleves 2 page (The Ezzon Family - Die Ezzonen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/cleves/cleves2.html
  20. [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_of_Friuli
  21. [S1549] Gregory A. Vaut, "GA Vaut Comment", 14 Jan 2020.
  22. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WURTTEMBERG.htm#ConradAuxerreMWaldrada
  23. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20KINGS.htm#AdelaisMbefore915LouisIIIProvence
  24. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid d'Auxerre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020422&tree=LEO
  25. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Rudolf I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020435&tree=LEO
  26. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 192-17, p. 164. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.