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     Hug IV de Empúries Comte de Empúries married Maria de Vilademuls Señora de Vilademuls.¹

Hug IV de Empúries Comte de Empúries died in April 1230.¹
      ; x.¹

     Maria de Vilademuls Señora de Vilademuls married Hug IV de Empúries Comte de Empúries, son of Ponce III de Empúries Comte de Empúries and Adelaida (?).¹

Maria de Vilademuls Señora de Vilademuls died after 17 October 1228.¹
      ; x.¹

     Bertha von Liesgau married Waldred (?), son of Immed I (II) (?).^1,2

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "Brother and sister, parents not known:

     Gausfred (?) Vicomte de Chartres was born in 900.¹
Gausfred (?) Vicomte de Chartres died after 942.¹
     GAV-29 EDV-30.

; Per France Balade: "Il apparait dans les années 940, il semble avoir assuré les fonctions de Vicomte de Chateaudun à cette époque meme s'il n'en portait pas explicitement le titre.“.² Gausfred (?) Vicomte de Chartres was also known as Geoffroy (?) Vicomte de Chartres et de Châteaudun.^2,3

; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
     The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.


I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.^{3,4,5,6,7,1,8,9}

; The Henry Project identifies Gausfred (Geoffroy) as the "conjectured father (plausible, but direct evidence lacking)" of Geoffroy I, Vicomte de Châteaudun:
     "Geoffroy, fl. May 942, viscount of Chartres.
     "[Settipani (2000), 249] He appears as a witness in a charter of Hugues le Grand ["S. Gauzfridi Carnotensium vicecomitis. ... Data mense maio ... anno scilicet Dominicæ incarnationis DCCCCXLIIº sive anno tertio regnante Hludovico rege." Rec. Chron. Touraine, 234; also RHF 9: 723, dating it to May 939, with the words "anno scilicet Dominicæ incarnationis DCCCCXLIIº sive" missing]. The obvious onomastic argument, plus the frequent connection between Chartres and Châteaudun, suggest a connection, but there is no direct evidence. Saint-Phalle instead identifies Geoffroy of Chartres as the same person as Geoffroy (I) of Châteaudun [Saint-Phalle (2000), 245 (table 6)].“
The Henry Project cites:
** Saint-Phalle (2000) = Edouard de Saint-Phalle, "Les comtes de Gâtinais aux Xe et XIe siècles", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 230-246.
** Settipani (2000) = Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leur alliés", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 247-261.¹⁰ He was living in 940.^11,12 He was Vicomte de Chartres in 942.¹

     Rainard/Renhard (?) Seigneur de Pithiviers married Helvise/Helvidis (?), daughter of Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent and Berta (?) Comtesse.^1,2
Rainard/Renhard (?) Seigneur de Pithiviers was born in 950.¹
Rainard/Renhard (?) Seigneur de Pithiviers died in 1000.¹
      ; NB: There are several theories as to the father/parents of the Helvise/Elisabeth who m. Geoffroy III:
     I. Wikipedia says she was "Helvise (Elizabeth) de Corbon, daughter of Rainard, Lord of Pithiviers, and his wife Helvise."
     II. Wikipédia (Fr.) says he m. "Helvise, fille probable de Renard de Broyes, seigneur de Pithiviers et Nogent, et d'Helvide ou Héloïse (de Bassigny ?)"
     III. Med Lands says: "...m HELVISE [Elisabeth], daughter of --- (-after [20 Jul 1031/19 Jul 1032])."
     IV. France Balade says he m. "Helvise (Héloise) fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (on dit aussi Corbon)"
     V. Racines et Histoire calls her Helvise de Corbon fille de Fulcuich, comte de Corbon (Mortagne)
     VI. Settipani names her as Helvidis and gives her a completely different ancestry, as a possible dau. of Renhard, Seigneurs de Pithiviers (980-ca 1000) and his wife Helvidis (960-unk). (See attachted image of the chart from Settipani's paper is attached.)
Conclusion: Settipani is the only one of these six sources that gives detailed arguments and cites a number of other researchers in supporting his conclusion. His argumentation supports the (probably later) conclusions in the Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) articles. I have changed my own data to reflect Settipani's conclusion as to Helvise/Helvidis's parents and ancestry. GA Vaut.^{3,4,5,6,7,1,8}
GAV-27.
; My ancestry for Helvidis/Helvise who m. Gausfred/Geoffroy III, Vcte de Châteaudun is based on the work of Settipani. (An image of a chart from Settipani's article is attached.) GA Vaut.⁸

     Renhard (?) Comte de Sens was born between 920 and 925.¹
Renhard (?) Comte de Sens died in 997.¹
     GAV-28.

; My ancestry for Helvidis/Helvise who m. Gausfred/Geoffroy III, Vcte de Châteaudun is based on the work of Settipani. (An image of a chart from Settipani's article is attached.) GA Vaut.² He was living in 943.¹

     Berta (?) Comtesse married Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent.¹
Berta (?) Comtesse was born in 940.¹
     ; My ancestry for Helvidis/Helvise who m. Gausfred/Geoffroy III, Vcte de Châteaudun is based on the work of Settipani. (An image of a chart from Settipani's article is attached.) GA Vaut.² GAV-28.

     Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent married Berta (?) Comtesse.¹
Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent was born in 935.¹
Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent died after 955.¹
     ; My ancestry for Helvidis/Helvise who m. Gausfred/Geoffroy III, Vcte de Châteaudun is based on the work of Settipani. (An image of a chart from Settipani's article is attached.) GA Vaut.² GAV-28.

     GAV-29.

; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].^1,3

     ; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].^2,3

; This is the same person as ”Hervé II de Mortagne” at Wikipédia (FR).¹ Hervé II de Mortagne comte de Mortagne-au-Perche was living between 974 and 980.¹

     NN de Fouvent married Arnoul de Reynel Comte de Reynel.^1,2,5

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "ARNOUL (-[31 Jul] 1074 or after). 1074. Comte de Reynel. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "31 Jul" of "Arnulphus comes"[732].
     "m --- de Fouvent, daughter of GERARD [II] Seigneur de Fouvent & his wife Gertrud ---. Her origin, as maternal grandmother of "domno abbate Stephano", is stated in the Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon which names the abbot's parents as "patre Joffredo…consul [qui] a patre et avo consulibus originem duxit" and "matre…Arnulfi…consulis de Risnel filia, matrem habens…consulis Gerardi de Fonvenz filiam"[733]. Bouchard suggests that she may have been Gérard's known daughter Bertrada[734]."
Med Lands cites: EDV-28. NN de Fouvent was also known as Bertrada(?) de Fouvent.²

; Per Med Lands:
     "daughter . Her origin, as maternal grandmother of "domno abbate Stephano", is stated in the Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon which names the abbot's parents as "patre Joffredo…consul [qui] a patre et avo consulibus originem duxit" and "matre…Arnulfi…consulis de Risnel filia, matrem habens…consulis Gerardi de Fonvenz filiam"[63]. Bouchard suggests that she may have been the same person as Gérard's known daughter Bertrada[64].
     "m ARNOUL Comte de Reynel, son of ---. 1074."
Med Lands cites:

     Hadwide de Montreuil-Thiécourt married Hugues de Reynel Comte de Reynel, son of Thibaut I de Reynel Comte de Reynel and Ermentrude de Ramerupt.¹

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES de Reynel, son of THIBAUT Comte de Reynel & his [first] wife Ermentrude de Roucy/Ramerupt (-before 1127). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Hugonem et Hildegardem, matrem Ebali de Buxi et de Montforti" as children of "Theobaldo comiti de Rimnello" & his wife Ermentrude[748]. "Teobaudus comes de Risnello" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "uxore sua Petronilla et filiis suis Hugone et Arnulfo" by charter dated to [1076/1100][749]. Comte de Reynel. Henri Bishop of Toul confirmed donations made to La Crète, including “terram itaque grangiæ de Haydoiz de trium villarum Temprouh, Brichenville, Allenville territoriis fundatæ” donated by “domino Hugone comite Rinelli et filiis eius Hernulfe et Hayrardo, et Hugone domino de Fischa assensu et laude uxoris suæ Bergerolæ, et domini Gaufridi de Jonivilla et uxoris suæ Felicitatis”, by charter dated 1158[750].
     "m HADWIDE de Montreuil-Thiécourt, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified."
Med Lands cites:

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "OLRY [III] de Reynel (-[1 Apr, 3 Sep, 7 Sep or 16 Sep] ----). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Comte de Reynel. m ---. The name of Olri's wife is not known. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "1 Apr" of "Oldericus comes", "3 Sep" of "Ulricus comites", "7 Sep" of "Urricus comes", and "16 Sep" of "Oldericus comes"[735], one of which probably relates to Olry [III]."
Med Lands cites:

     Ermentrude de Ramerupt married Thibaut I de Reynel Comte de Reynel, son of Orly III de Reynel Comte de Reynel,
;
His 1st wife.¹
Ermentrude de Ramerupt died circa 1102; Med Lands says d. 1102 or after.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "THIBAUT [I] de Reynel (-before 21 Apr 1101). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Comte de Reynel.
     "m [firstly] ERMENTRUDE de Ramerupt, daughter of HILDUIN [IV] de Montdidier et de Ramerupt Comte de Roucy & his wife Adelaide de Roucy (-1102 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ermentrudis" as fourth daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy and names her husband "Theobaldo comiti de Rimnello"[736]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "tertiam…Hilduini comitis filiam Ermentrudem" as wife of "Theobaldus comes de Rinnel"[737].
     "[m secondly PETRONILLE, daughter of ---. "Teobaudus comes de Risnello" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "uxore sua Petronilla et filiis suis Hugone et Arnulfo" by charter dated to [1076/1100][738]. An alternative interpretation of this charter is that "Petronilla" was a copyist's error for "Ermentrude".]"
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "ERMENTRUDE de Ramerupt (-1102 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "tertiam…Hilduini comitis filiam Ermentrudem" as wife of "Theobaldus comes de Rinnel"[662]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ermentrudis" as fourth daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy and names her husband "Theobaldo comiti de Rimnello"[663].
     "m THIBAUT [I] Comte de Reynel, son of OLRY Comte de Reynel & his wife --- (-before 11 Apr 1101)."
Med Lands cites:

     Guyard de Reynel Comte de Reynel married Ermengarde (?)^1,2,3

Guyard de Reynel Comte de Reynel died after 1189.¹
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 144.³ Guyard de Reynel Comte de Reynel was also known as Wiard de Reynel Sire de Reynel et Gondrecourt.³

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUYARD de Reynel (-after 1189). Pierre Bishop of Toul confirmed donations made to Mureau/La Crète, including “grangiam de Aydoyz in sicco pago Ornensi, de trium villarum Tempro...et Brichenville et Allenville territoriis fundatam” donated by “dominus Arnulfus de Risnel et filii eius Wyardus, Hugo...”, by charter dated 1172[757]. Pope Alexander III confirmed donations to Mireval, including the sale of “grangiam de Hauduis” by the abbey of La Crête with the consent of “Wiardi domini Reinelli et fratris eius Hugonis et Hugonis de Fisca domini...et Simonis domini de Bourleimont...” by charter dated 1180[758]. “Guiard seigneur de Reynel” donated use of pastures at “Mognéville” to Cheminon, with the consent of “Thibaut son fils”, by charter dated 1189[759].
     "m ERMENGARDE, daughter of --- (-after May 1235). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. “Emengeard dame de Reynel” settled disputes with Molesme regarding “Chambroncourt” and rights over “six familles données par Guyard sire de Reynel mari d’Ermengeard au comte de Vaudémont”, with the consent of “Gautier son fils”, by charter dated Jul 1213[760]. “Gautier sire de Reynel et Ermengeard sa mère” agreed to defend “Chambroncourt” for Molesme against “Simon chevalier seigneur de Pierrefitte” by charter dated May 1235[761]."
Med Lands cites:

     Gertrude (?) married Gerard II de Fouvent Seigneur de Fouvent.^1,2

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GERARD [II] de Fouvent (-1032 or after). Europäische Stammtafeln names Gérard [II] as son of Gérard [I] de Fouvent[49], but the primary source on which this affiliation is based has not been identified. Gérard [II]'s supposed son, Hubert, is referred to as nepos of Aimon [I] Comte d'Auxois in the latter's 1004 testament, but the family relationship could have been through Gérard [II], his wife Gertrude or through Aimon's unknown wife. Seigneur de Fouvent. The Chronicon Besuense notes a donation of property “terræ apud Artionis…villam quam de hereditate Geretrudis uxoris suæ” by “Girardus Fontis-vennæ castri dominus” dated 1019, signed by “Girardus Comes Fontis-vennæ…Hugo comes…”[50]. The Chronicon Besuense notes a donation of property by “Girardus…cum Gertrude uxore mea” dated 1 May 1020, signed by “Girardi, Gertrudis, Girardi Clerici, Humberti filiorum eorum…”[51].
     "m GERTRUDE, daughter of [AIMON [I] Comte d'Auxois & his wife ---]. She is named Gertrude de Lavoncourt in Europäische Stammtafeln[52], but the primary source on which this is based has not been identified. The mother of "…Hubertus, Gerardus, Helinnanus nepotes eius…" who subscribed the testament of "Aymo…comitatus Alsinses atque Dusmensis" dated 17 Mar 1004[53] could have been the testator's sister, but the family relationship could also have been through Gertrude’s husband or through Aimon's unknown wife. No other primary source has been identified which confirms a relationship between the Fouvent and Duesmois families. "Girardus Fontisvennæ dominus" founded the church of Fouvent, "apud Artionis-curtem villam, quam de hereditate Gertrudis uxoris suæ", by charter dated 3 May 1019[54]. The Chronicon Besuense notes a donation of property “ecclesie in comitatu Atoariensi” by “miles quidam…Girardus” with the consent of “uxoris suæ…Gertrudis et filii sui Humberti”[55]. The Chronicon Besuense notes a donation of property by “Girardus…cum Gertrude uxore mea” dated 1 May 1020, signed by “Girardi, Gertrudis, Girardi Clerici, Humberti filiorum eorum…”[56]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "[GERTRUDE . The mother of "…Hubertus, Gerardus, Helinnanus nepotes eius…" who subscribed the testament of "Aymo…comitatus Alsinses atque Dusmensis" dated 17 Mar 1004[22] could have been the testator's sister, but the family relationship could also have been through Gertrude’s husband or through Aimon's unknown wife. No other primary source has been identified which confirms a relationship between the Fouvent and Duesmois families. "Girardus Fontisvennæ dominus" founded the church of Fouvent, "apud Artionis-curtem villam, quam de hereditate Gertrudis uxoris suæ", by charter dated 3 May 1019[23]. Dame d'Arsincourt.
     "m GERARD [II] de Fouvent, son of --- (-1032 or after).]"
Med Lands cites:

     Siegbert von Liesgau Graf im Liesgau died on 14 October 995.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "SIEGBERT (-14 Oct 995). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not so far been identified. Graf im Liesgau 990. "Otto…rex" donated property "Vvalbisci in comitatu Karoli comitis" to Quedlinburg by charter dated 6 Jan 992, which names as present "Bernhardi ducis, Egberti comitis, Eggihardi marchionis, Herimanni palatini comitis, Huodonis marchionis, Deoderici palatini comitis eiusque fratris Sigeberti comitis, Herimanni comitis"[83]. "Otto…imperator augustus" gave judgment in a dispute between Werner Abbot of Fulda and Gozbert Abbot of Hersfeld, concerning ship travel along the Hörsel, by charter dated 30 Dec 979, which names "comites nostros Sigebertum, Sigefridum et Brunonem"[84]. Thietmar records the deaths of "the count Palatine Dietrich and his brother Siegbert" in the same year in which Heinrich II Duke of Bavaria died (995)[85].
     "m ---. The name of Siegbert's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

     Patrick de Culwen of Workington died circa 1212.¹
      ; Per Weis: "Patric de Culwen of Workington (younger son), liv. 1210-1237."²

Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. 40.¹ He was living between 1210 and 1237.²

     Manassès I (?) Comte de Dijon died after 912.¹
     GAV-30.

; Per Med Lands:
     "MANASSES [I], son of --- (-[after 912]). The Chronicle of St Bénigne de Dijon records an undated charter of "Manasses comes" witnessed by "Walo filius eius et Manasses comes iunior"[6]. Although undated, it appears among other charters of the early years of the 10th century. If this is the correct dating, it is unlikely that it refers to Manassès (died after 925) as his sons would at the time have probably been too young to have confirmed charters. In addition, if the donation did refer to Manassès (died after 925) it is unclear why Walo and Manassès would have confirmed but not their brothers Hervé and Giselbert. The conclusion is therefore that the donation relates to the father of Manassès, who has otherwise not been identified. This interpretation appears supported by the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which in 906 names "comes Manasses Divionensi", specifying that "Walo et alterius Manasses comes iunior" were his sons[7], although it is recognised that this source is not always chronologically and factually reliable. Comte de Dijon. A charter dated 912 names "venerabili comite domno Manasse" as present at a judgment in an ecclesiastical court at Dijon by Garnier Bishop of Langres[8]. The word "venerabili" suggests that this document may refer to Manassès [I] rather than his son Manassès [II], although this is not without doubt.
     "m ---. The name of the wife of Manassès is not known.
     "Manassès & his wife had three children:
Med Lands cites:

     NN de Hesbaie married Giselbert (?) Count in the Massgau, son of Gainfroi (?) Count of SensOf Austrasia, Count of Sens, de Maasgau and Theilindis (?),
; Per Weis: "...prob. m. a sister of Echard, Count of Hesbaye."¹
      ; Per Weis: “Giselbert, Count in the Maasgau (the valley of the Meuse river) 839-842; prob. m. a sister of Echard, Count of Hesbaye.”.¹ GAV-31.

     GAV-32.

     Heinrich Raspe I von Thuringen married Kunigunde von Bilstein, daughter of Rugger II von Bilstein Count von Bilstein and NN von Gudensberg,
;
Her 2nd husband.^1,2
Heinrich Raspe I von Thuringen died in 1130.¹
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band I, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. 44.¹

     Giso (II/III) von Gudensberg married Mechtild (?)
;
Her 1st husband.^2,1
     EDV-28.