Hug IV de Empúries Comte de Empúries1

M, #95012, d. April 1230
FatherPonce III de Empúries Comte de Empúries1 d. a 26 Jan 1184
MotherAdelaida (?)1
Last Edited13 Aug 2020
     Hug IV de Empúries Comte de Empúries married Maria de Vilademuls Señora de Vilademuls.1
Hug IV de Empúries Comte de Empúries died in April 1230.1
     ; x.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CATALAN%20NOBILITY.htm#PonceIIIAmpuriasB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CATALAN%20NOBILITY.htm#PonceIVAmpuriasB

Maria de Vilademuls Señora de Vilademuls1

F, #95013, d. after 17 October 1228
Last Edited13 Aug 2020
     Maria de Vilademuls Señora de Vilademuls married Hug IV de Empúries Comte de Empúries, son of Ponce III de Empúries Comte de Empúries and Adelaida (?).1
Maria de Vilademuls Señora de Vilademuls died after 17 October 1228.1
     ; x.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CATALAN%20NOBILITY.htm#PonceIIIAmpuriasB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CATALAN%20NOBILITY.htm#PonceIVAmpuriasB

Bertha von Liesgau1

F, #95014
Last Edited20 Aug 2020
     Bertha von Liesgau married Waldred (?), son of Immed I (II) (?).1,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "Brother and sister, parents not known:
24. BURKHARD . Graf im Liesgau.
25. BERTHA . m WALDERED, son of [Graf IMMED [II] & his wife --- (-984 or after)."1

Family

Waldred (?) d. 984
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#BerthaMWaldered. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#Waldereddied984orafter
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#dauSiegbertMLotharUdoStade

Gausfred (?) Vicomte de Chartres1

M, #95015, b. 900, d. after 942
ReferenceGAV29 EDV30
Last Edited19 Aug 2020
     Gausfred (?) Vicomte de Chartres was born in 900.1
Gausfred (?) Vicomte de Chartres died after 942.1
     GAV-29 EDV-30.

; Per France Balade: "Il apparait dans les années 940, il semble avoir assuré les fonctions de Vicomte de Chateaudun à cette époque meme s'il n'en portait pas explicitement le titre.“.2 Gausfred (?) Vicomte de Chartres was also known as Geoffroy (?) Vicomte de Chartres et de Châteaudun.2,3

; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
     The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.


I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.A.1. GEOFFROY, son of --- (-after 986).
I.A.2. HUGUES (I) (-989 or after). Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.A.3. HUGUES (II) de Châteaudun (-10 Jun 1026). Vicomte de Châteaudun (980/1003), Archbishop of Tours 1005, two illegitimate sons by an unknown mistress or mistresses
I.A.4. HELGAUD
I.A.4. HUGUES
I.A.3. ADALAUD.
I.A.3. [MELISENDE (-before 1040). Vicomtesse de Châteaudun. m FULCOIS Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou Comte de Mortagne
I.A.3. NN daughter . m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce

I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
I.B.1. ROTROU (-after 12 Feb 996). Seigneur de Nogent.
I.B.2. FULCOIS Comte de Mortagne. m MELISENDE Vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of [HUGUES [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun [NB: It is not explained if this Hugues [I] is one of the Hugues in Line #1]
I.B.3. GEOFFROY (-murdered Chartres [1039/40]) m HELVISE [Elisabeth] Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.B.4. GEOFFROY (-[1015/28] or after).
I.B.4. HUGUES m ADELA, daughter of ---.
I.B.4. ROTROU (-1 Mar [1080]). Vicomte de Châteaudun. Comte de Mortagne m ADELISE de Bellême
I.B.3. Hugues du Perche Comte de Gâtinais m ([1000]) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Mâcon
I.B.4. GEOFFROY [II] "Ferréol" de Gâtinais (-30 Apr [1043/47]), Comte de Gâtinais, Seigneur de Château-Landon. m ([1035]) as her first husband, ERMENGARDE d'Anjou. Descendants COMTES d'ANJOU
I.B.4. LIETAUD (-[1050] or after). Descendants VICOMTES de CHÂTEAU-LANDON

II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.A.1. Mathilde de Vendôme ° ~960 ép. ~972 Rampo de Châteaudun ° ~954 + 986 1er seigneur de Châteaudun
II.A.2. Hugues 1er de Châteaudun ° ~975 + ~1012 seigneur de Châteaudun ép. Hildegarde
II.A.3. Mélissende de Châteaudun ° 997 + 1035 ép. Guarin d’Alençon (alias Foulques de Mortagne ?) seigneur de Mortagne + 1026
II.A.4. Geoffroi 1er d’Alençon ° ~1012 + ~1051 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et d’Illiers (fortifie Gallardon) ép. Helvise, dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres)
II.A.5. Rotrou 1er de Châteaudun ° ~1034 + avant 1079 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et Châteaudun ép. ~1050 Adeline de Domfront (fille de Guarin de Bellême, seigneur de Domfront)

II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B.1. Rampo de Châteaudun 1er vicomte de Châteaudun ~860 à titre d’office
II.B.2. Geoffroi vicomte de Chartres et de Châteaudun ~940
II.B.3. Geoffroi 1er de Châteaudun vicomte de Châteaudun (967-986) ép. Hildegarde ° 970 + 1020 (petite-fille d’Hugues 1er, comte du Maine et veuve de Ernaud, seigneur de La Ferté-Vidame)
II.B.4. Hugues 1er + 12/05/1023 vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003), seigneur du Vivier, Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023)
II.B.4. Geoffroi II vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023) seigneur de Nogent (987, Perche) ép. Mélissende de Nogent (fille de Rotrou, seigneur de Nogent de 950 à 990)
II.B.5. Geoffroi III ° ~1012 + 1040 (Chartres, ass.) vicomte de Châteaudun (1023-1040) comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent, Châtelain d’Illiers et de Gallardon ép. Helvise Corbon (Héloïse, Avoise, Elisabeth) dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Foulques dit «Corbon», comte de Mortagne) [ ? ou Héloïse de Pithiviers (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres ?) ]
II.B.4. Alo (Adalard) seigneur de Chinon ép. Senagaudis
II.B.4. Mélissende ? ép. Albert, Abbé de Micy (de la famille des Bellême)

III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
III.A.1. Rampo - Vicomte de Châteaudun, à titre d'office, dans les années 860.
III.B.2. Geoffroy Vicomte de Chartres (les années 940) "il semble avoir assuré les fonctions de Vicomte de Châteaudun à cette époque meme s'il n'en portait pas explicitement le titre." [Translation: "he seems to have assumed the functions of Vicomte de Châteaudun at that time even if he did not explicitly bear the title."] No connection to Rampo is described.
III.B.2. Geoffroy I (967-986), Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the former, m. Hildegarde widow of Ernaud Seigneur de la Ferté(-Vidame)
III.B.3. Hugues I Vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003) then Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde
III.B.3. Geoffroy II Vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde, m. Mélissende, dau. of Rotrou, Seigneur de Nogent.
III.B.4. Geoffroy III (1023-1040), son Geoffroy II, Vicomte de Châteaudun, Seigneur de Nogent dans le Perche, m. Helvise (Héloise) de Mortagne fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (aka Corbon)

IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
IV.A.1. Fulcois Vicomte de Châteaudun m. Mélissende Nogent (no parents given)
IV.A.2 Geoffroy III b. ca 980 d. 1040), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Mortagne m. Helvis/Elizabeth, dau. of Fulcuich, Comte de Corbon.

V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
V.1. Geoffrey I (967–985), Viscount of Châteaudun
V.2. Hugues I (985–989), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous m.
V.2. Hildegarde (989–1022), Viscountess of Châteaudun, wife of the previous
V.3. Hugues II (1022–1026), Viscount of Châteaudun and Archbishop of Tours, son of the previous
V.4. Geoffrey II (1030–1039), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Geoffrey I), son of the previous
V.5. Hugues III de Perche (1039–1044), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Hugues I), son of the previous
V.5. Rotrou I de Perche (1044–1080), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Rotrou II), brother of the previous
V.6. Hugues IV (1080–1110), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.7. Geoffrey III (1110–1145), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.3. Melisende (1026–1030), Viscountess of Châteaudun, sister of the previous

VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VI.A.1. ca 860 Rampo
VI.B.1. 956-986 : Geoffroy Ier (Gauzfred), vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegarde ou Ermengarde
VI.B.2. 989-1003 : Hugues I (d. 1023), son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, then (1003) Archevêque de Tours
VI.B.2. Unnamed brother or sister of the previous
VI.B.3. 1003-1039 : Geoffroy II, nephew of Hugues I, vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent
VI.B.4. 1039-1045 : Hugues II, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adila, s.p.
VI.B.4. 1051-1080 : Rotrou Ier, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adelise/Adeline de Bellême-Alençon
VI.B.5. 1080-vers 1110 : Hugues III, vicomte de Châteaudun, dit d'Alençon, son of the previous. m. Agnès de Fréteval
VI.B.6. vers 1110-1140/1150 : Geoffroy III, vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the previous ; m. his 1st cousin Helvise de Mondoubleau-Fréteval

VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.3,4,5,6,7,1,8,9

; The Henry Project identifies Gausfred (Geoffroy) as the "conjectured father (plausible, but direct evidence lacking)" of Geoffroy I, Vicomte de Châteaudun:
     "Geoffroy, fl. May 942, viscount of Chartres.
     "[Settipani (2000), 249] He appears as a witness in a charter of Hugues le Grand ["S. Gauzfridi Carnotensium vicecomitis. ... Data mense maio ... anno scilicet Dominicæ incarnationis DCCCCXLIIº sive anno tertio regnante Hludovico rege." Rec. Chron. Touraine, 234; also RHF 9: 723, dating it to May 939, with the words "anno scilicet Dominicæ incarnationis DCCCCXLIIº sive" missing]. The obvious onomastic argument, plus the frequent connection between Chartres and Châteaudun, suggest a connection, but there is no direct evidence. Saint-Phalle instead identifies Geoffroy of Chartres as the same person as Geoffroy (I) of Châteaudun [Saint-Phalle (2000), 245 (table 6)].“
The Henry Project cites:
** Saint-Phalle (2000) = Edouard de Saint-Phalle, "Les comtes de Gâtinais aux Xe et XIe siècles", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 230-246.
** Settipani (2000) = Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leur alliés", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 247-261.10 He was living in 940.11,12 He was Vicomte de Chartres in 942.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
  2. [S4748] France Balade, online <http://www.francebalade.com/>, http://www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm. Hereinafter cited as France Balade Website (FR).
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vicomtes de Châteaudun, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#_Toc479931729. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S4748] France Balade Website (FR), online http://www.francebalade.com/, Les Vicomtes de Chateaudun: http://www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm
  6. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes et vicomtes de Châteaudun: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_et_vicomtes_de_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  7. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counts_and_Viscounts_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  8. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 16 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  9. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff004.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  10. [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff006.htm
  11. [S4748] France Balade Website (FR), online http://www.francebalade.com/
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf, p. 3.

Rainard/Renhard (?) Seigneur de Pithiviers1,2

M, #95016, b. 950, d. 1000
FatherRenhard (?) Comte de Sens1 b. bt 920 - 925, d. 997
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited18 Aug 2020
     Rainard/Renhard (?) Seigneur de Pithiviers married Helvise/Helvidis (?), daughter of Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent and Berta (?) Comtesse.1,2 Rainard/Renhard (?) Seigneur de Pithiviers was born in 950.1
Rainard/Renhard (?) Seigneur de Pithiviers died in 1000.1
     ; NB: There are several theories as to the father/parents of the Helvise/Elisabeth who m. Geoffroy III:
     I. Wikipedia says she was "Helvise (Elizabeth) de Corbon, daughter of Rainard, Lord of Pithiviers, and his wife Helvise."
     II. Wikipédia (Fr.) says he m. "Helvise, fille probable de Renard de Broyes, seigneur de Pithiviers et Nogent, et d'Helvide ou Héloïse (de Bassigny ?)"
     III. Med Lands says: "...m HELVISE [Elisabeth], daughter of --- (-after [20 Jul 1031/19 Jul 1032])."
     IV. France Balade says he m. "Helvise (Héloise) fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (on dit aussi Corbon)"
     V. Racines et Histoire calls her Helvise de Corbon fille de Fulcuich, comte de Corbon (Mortagne)
     VI. Settipani names her as Helvidis and gives her a completely different ancestry, as a possible dau. of Renhard, Seigneurs de Pithiviers (980-ca 1000) and his wife Helvidis (960-unk). (See attachted image of the chart from Settipani's paper is attached.)
Conclusion: Settipani is the only one of these six sources that gives detailed arguments and cites a number of other researchers in supporting his conclusion. His argumentation supports the (probably later) conclusions in the Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) articles. I have changed my own data to reflect Settipani's conclusion as to Helvise/Helvidis's parents and ancestry. GA Vaut.3,4,5,6,7,1,8
GAV-27.
; My ancestry for Helvidis/Helvise who m. Gausfred/Geoffroy III, Vcte de Châteaudun is based on the work of Settipani. (An image of a chart from Settipani's article is attached.) GA Vaut.8

Family

Helvise/Helvidis (?) b. 960
Child

Citations

  1. [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
  2. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff004.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  3. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_II,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  4. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Geoffroy Ier du Perche: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffroy_Ier_du_Perche. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#RotrouIMortagnedied1080A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S4748] France Balade, online <http://www.francebalade.com/>, Les Vicomtes de Chateaudun: http://www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm. Hereinafter cited as France Balade Website (FR).
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vicomtes de Châteaudun, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  8. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 17 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Renhard (?) Comte de Sens1

M, #95017, b. between 920 and 925, d. 997
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited17 Aug 2020
     Renhard (?) Comte de Sens was born between 920 and 925.1
Renhard (?) Comte de Sens died in 997.1
     GAV-28.

; My ancestry for Helvidis/Helvise who m. Gausfred/Geoffroy III, Vcte de Châteaudun is based on the work of Settipani. (An image of a chart from Settipani's article is attached.) GA Vaut.2 He was living in 943.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
  2. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 17 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Berta (?) Comtesse1

F, #95018, b. 940
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited17 Aug 2020
     Berta (?) Comtesse married Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent.1 Berta (?) Comtesse was born in 940.1
     ; My ancestry for Helvidis/Helvise who m. Gausfred/Geoffroy III, Vcte de Châteaudun is based on the work of Settipani. (An image of a chart from Settipani's article is attached.) GA Vaut.2 GAV-28.

Family

Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent b. 935, d. a 955
Child

Citations

  1. [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
  2. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 17 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent1

M, #95019, b. 935, d. after 955
ReferenceGAV28
Last Edited17 Aug 2020
     Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent married Berta (?) Comtesse.1 Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent was born in 935.1
Hugo (?) Comte de Dreux et Nogent died after 955.1
     ; My ancestry for Helvidis/Helvise who m. Gausfred/Geoffroy III, Vcte de Châteaudun is based on the work of Settipani. (An image of a chart from Settipani's article is attached.) GA Vaut.2 GAV-28.

Family

Berta (?) Comtesse b. 940
Child

Citations

  1. [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
  2. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 17 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Hervé I de Mortagne comte de Mortagne-au-Perche1

M, #95020
FatherHugues I (?) Comte de Maine2,1,3 b. c 890, d. bt 939 - 955
MotherBilichilde (?)3,1
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited17 Aug 2020
     GAV-29.

; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].1,3

Citations

  1. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hervé Ier de Mortagne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_Ier_de_Mortagne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  2. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, Hugues I: https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/hugh0001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  3. [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
  4. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hervé II de Mortagne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_II_de_Mortagne

Hervé II de Mortagne comte de Mortagne-au-Perche1

M, #95021
FatherHervé I de Mortagne comte de Mortagne-au-Perche1
Last Edited17 Aug 2020
     ; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].2,3

; This is the same person as ”Hervé II de Mortagne” at Wikipédia (FR).1 Hervé II de Mortagne comte de Mortagne-au-Perche was living between 974 and 980.1

Citations

  1. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hervé II de Mortagne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_II_de_Mortagne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  2. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hervé Ier de Mortagne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_Ier_de_Mortagne
  3. [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."

NN de Fouvent1,2

F, #95022
FatherGerard II de Fouvent Seigneur de Fouvent3 d. c 1032
MotherGertrude (?)4
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited7 Nov 2020
     NN de Fouvent married Arnoul de Reynel Comte de Reynel.1,2,5
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ARNOUL (-[31 Jul] 1074 or after). 1074. Comte de Reynel. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "31 Jul" of "Arnulphus comes"[732].
     "m --- de Fouvent, daughter of GERARD [II] Seigneur de Fouvent & his wife Gertrud ---. Her origin, as maternal grandmother of "domno abbate Stephano", is stated in the Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon which names the abbot's parents as "patre Joffredo…consul [qui] a patre et avo consulibus originem duxit" and "matre…Arnulfi…consulis de Risnel filia, matrem habens…consulis Gerardi de Fonvenz filiam"[733]. Bouchard suggests that she may have been Gérard's known daughter Bertrada[734]."
Med Lands cites:
[732] Mavot 'L'obituaire de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul' (1928), p. 280.
[733] Chronique de Saint-Bénigne-de-Dijon, pp. 380-1.
[734] Bouchard (1987), p. 286.5
EDV-28. NN de Fouvent was also known as Bertrada(?) de Fouvent.2

; Per Med Lands:
     "daughter . Her origin, as maternal grandmother of "domno abbate Stephano", is stated in the Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon which names the abbot's parents as "patre Joffredo…consul [qui] a patre et avo consulibus originem duxit" and "matre…Arnulfi…consulis de Risnel filia, matrem habens…consulis Gerardi de Fonvenz filiam"[63]. Bouchard suggests that she may have been the same person as Gérard's known daughter Bertrada[64].
     "m ARNOUL Comte de Reynel, son of ---. 1074."
Med Lands cites:
[63] Chronique de Saint-Bénigne-de-Dijon, pp. 380-1.
[64] Bouchard (1987), p. 286.2

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Joinville, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Joinville.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdatuy.htm#dauGerardFouventMArnoulReynel. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdatuy.htm#_Toc478453607
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdauxois.htm#GertrudMGerardFouvent
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambasbol.htm#ArnoulReynel
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambasbol.htm#BlancheReynelMGeoffroiJoinville

Hadwide de Montreuil-Thiécourt1

F, #95023
Last Edited18 Aug 2020
     Hadwide de Montreuil-Thiécourt married Hugues de Reynel Comte de Reynel, son of Thibaut I de Reynel Comte de Reynel and Ermentrude de Ramerupt.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES de Reynel, son of THIBAUT Comte de Reynel & his [first] wife Ermentrude de Roucy/Ramerupt (-before 1127). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Hugonem et Hildegardem, matrem Ebali de Buxi et de Montforti" as children of "Theobaldo comiti de Rimnello" & his wife Ermentrude[748]. "Teobaudus comes de Risnello" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "uxore sua Petronilla et filiis suis Hugone et Arnulfo" by charter dated to [1076/1100][749]. Comte de Reynel. Henri Bishop of Toul confirmed donations made to La Crète, including “terram itaque grangiæ de Haydoiz de trium villarum Temprouh, Brichenville, Allenville territoriis fundatæ” donated by “domino Hugone comite Rinelli et filiis eius Hernulfe et Hayrardo, et Hugone domino de Fischa assensu et laude uxoris suæ Bergerolæ, et domini Gaufridi de Jonivilla et uxoris suæ Felicitatis”, by charter dated 1158[750].
     "m HADWIDE de Montreuil-Thiécourt, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified."
Med Lands cites:
[748] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1063, MGH SS XXIII, p. 794.
[749] Molesme, Tome II, 82, p. 87.
[750] Documents Vosges, Tome V, p. 3 (in second part of the book from 375/442).1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambasbol.htm#HuguesReyneldiedbefore1127B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Orly III de Reynel Comte de Reynel1

M, #95024
FatherArnoul de Reynel Comte de Reynel1 d. a 31 Jul 1074
MotherNN de Fouvent1
Last Edited18 Aug 2020
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "OLRY [III] de Reynel (-[1 Apr, 3 Sep, 7 Sep or 16 Sep] ----). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Comte de Reynel. m ---. The name of Olri's wife is not known. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "1 Apr" of "Oldericus comes", "3 Sep" of "Ulricus comites", "7 Sep" of "Urricus comes", and "16 Sep" of "Oldericus comes"[735], one of which probably relates to Olry [III]."
Med Lands cites:
[735] Mavot 'L'obituaire de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul' (1929), pp. 47 and 48.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambasbol.htm#ArnoulReynel. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambasbol.htm#ThibautReyneldied1101

Ermentrude de Ramerupt1

F, #95025, d. circa 1102
FatherHildouin IV de Montdidier comte de Montdidier, seigneur de Ramerupt, d’Arcis et de Breteuil, comte de Roucy1,2 b. c 1010, d. c 1063
MotherAdele (Adelix) de Roucy1,3,2 b. c 1014, d. 1062
Last Edited1 Oct 2020
     Ermentrude de Ramerupt married Thibaut I de Reynel Comte de Reynel, son of Orly III de Reynel Comte de Reynel;
His 1st wife.1
Ermentrude de Ramerupt died circa 1102; Med Lands says d. 1102 or after.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "THIBAUT [I] de Reynel (-before 21 Apr 1101). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Comte de Reynel.
     "m [firstly] ERMENTRUDE de Ramerupt, daughter of HILDUIN [IV] de Montdidier et de Ramerupt Comte de Roucy & his wife Adelaide de Roucy (-1102 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ermentrudis" as fourth daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy and names her husband "Theobaldo comiti de Rimnello"[736]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "tertiam…Hilduini comitis filiam Ermentrudem" as wife of "Theobaldus comes de Rinnel"[737].
     "[m secondly PETRONILLE, daughter of ---. "Teobaudus comes de Risnello" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "uxore sua Petronilla et filiis suis Hugone et Arnulfo" by charter dated to [1076/1100][738]. An alternative interpretation of this charter is that "Petronilla" was a copyist's error for "Ermentrude".]"
Med Lands cites:
[736] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1063, MGH SS XXIII, p. 794.
[737] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 16, MGH SS XIII, p. 255.
[738] Molesme, Tome II, 82, p. 87.4


; Per Med Lands:
     "ERMENTRUDE de Ramerupt (-1102 or after). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "tertiam…Hilduini comitis filiam Ermentrudem" as wife of "Theobaldus comes de Rinnel"[662]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ermentrudis" as fourth daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy and names her husband "Theobaldo comiti de Rimnello"[663].
     "m THIBAUT [I] Comte de Reynel, son of OLRY Comte de Reynel & his wife --- (-before 11 Apr 1101)."
Med Lands cites:
[662] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 16, MGH SS XIII, p. 255.
[663] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1063, MGH SS XXIII, p. 794.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamdampjo.htm#ErmentrudeRoucydied1102MReynel. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamdampjo.htm#HilduinIVMontdidierdied1063
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adèle (Alice) de Roucy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020523&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambasbol.htm#ThibautReyneldied1101

Guyard de Reynel Comte de Reynel1

M, #95026, d. after 1189
FatherArnoul de Reynel Comte de Reynel1 d. c 1172
Last Edited18 Aug 2020
     Guyard de Reynel Comte de Reynel married Ermengarde (?)1,2,3
Guyard de Reynel Comte de Reynel died after 1189.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 144.3 Guyard de Reynel Comte de Reynel was also known as Wiard de Reynel Sire de Reynel et Gondrecourt.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUYARD de Reynel (-after 1189). Pierre Bishop of Toul confirmed donations made to Mureau/La Crète, including “grangiam de Aydoyz in sicco pago Ornensi, de trium villarum Tempro...et Brichenville et Allenville territoriis fundatam” donated by “dominus Arnulfus de Risnel et filii eius Wyardus, Hugo...”, by charter dated 1172[757]. Pope Alexander III confirmed donations to Mireval, including the sale of “grangiam de Hauduis” by the abbey of La Crête with the consent of “Wiardi domini Reinelli et fratris eius Hugonis et Hugonis de Fisca domini...et Simonis domini de Bourleimont...” by charter dated 1180[758]. “Guiard seigneur de Reynel” donated use of pastures at “Mognéville” to Cheminon, with the consent of “Thibaut son fils”, by charter dated 1189[759].
     "m ERMENGARDE, daughter of --- (-after May 1235). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. “Emengeard dame de Reynel” settled disputes with Molesme regarding “Chambroncourt” and rights over “six familles données par Guyard sire de Reynel mari d’Ermengeard au comte de Vaudémont”, with the consent of “Gautier son fils”, by charter dated Jul 1213[760]. “Gautier sire de Reynel et Ermengeard sa mère” agreed to defend “Chambroncourt” for Molesme against “Simon chevalier seigneur de Pierrefitte” by charter dated May 1235[761]."
Med Lands cites:
[757] Documents Vosges, Tome V, p. 13 (in second part of the book from 375/442).
[758] Hugo (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. clxv.
[759] Cheminon Notre-Dame, p. 65.
[760] Molesme, Tome II, 721, p. 516.
[761] Molesme, Tome II, 723, p. 517.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambasbol.htm#HuguesReyneldiedbefore1127B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emmeline de Gondrecourt: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163420&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wiard de Reynel: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163419&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambasbol.htm#HadwideReynelMHuguesVaudemont
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadwide de Reynel: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163418&tree=LEO

Gertrude (?)1

F, #95027
Last Edited29 Oct 2020
     Gertrude (?) married Gerard II de Fouvent Seigneur de Fouvent.1,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "GERARD [II] de Fouvent (-1032 or after). Europäische Stammtafeln names Gérard [II] as son of Gérard [I] de Fouvent[49], but the primary source on which this affiliation is based has not been identified. Gérard [II]'s supposed son, Hubert, is referred to as nepos of Aimon [I] Comte d'Auxois in the latter's 1004 testament, but the family relationship could have been through Gérard [II], his wife Gertrude or through Aimon's unknown wife. Seigneur de Fouvent. The Chronicon Besuense notes a donation of property “terræ apud Artionis…villam quam de hereditate Geretrudis uxoris suæ” by “Girardus Fontis-vennæ castri dominus” dated 1019, signed by “Girardus Comes Fontis-vennæ…Hugo comes…”[50]. The Chronicon Besuense notes a donation of property by “Girardus…cum Gertrude uxore mea” dated 1 May 1020, signed by “Girardi, Gertrudis, Girardi Clerici, Humberti filiorum eorum…”[51].
     "m GERTRUDE, daughter of [AIMON [I] Comte d'Auxois & his wife ---]. She is named Gertrude de Lavoncourt in Europäische Stammtafeln[52], but the primary source on which this is based has not been identified. The mother of "…Hubertus, Gerardus, Helinnanus nepotes eius…" who subscribed the testament of "Aymo…comitatus Alsinses atque Dusmensis" dated 17 Mar 1004[53] could have been the testator's sister, but the family relationship could also have been through Gertrude’s husband or through Aimon's unknown wife. No other primary source has been identified which confirms a relationship between the Fouvent and Duesmois families. "Girardus Fontisvennæ dominus" founded the church of Fouvent, "apud Artionis-curtem villam, quam de hereditate Gertrudis uxoris suæ", by charter dated 3 May 1019[54]. The Chronicon Besuense notes a donation of property “ecclesie in comitatu Atoariensi” by “miles quidam…Girardus” with the consent of “uxoris suæ…Gertrudis et filii sui Humberti”[55]. The Chronicon Besuense notes a donation of property by “Girardus…cum Gertrude uxore mea” dated 1 May 1020, signed by “Girardi, Gertrudis, Girardi Clerici, Humberti filiorum eorum…”[56]."
Med Lands cites:
[49] ES XV 93.
[50] Chronicon Besuense, Spicilegium II, p. 418.
[51] Chronicon Besuense, Spicilegium II, p. 418.
[52] ES XV 93.
[53] Flavigny 40, p. 102.
[54] Gallia Christiana, Tome IV, Instrumenta, Instrumenta Lingonensis Ecclesiæ, XVI, col. 141.
[55] Chronicon Besuense, Spicilegium II, p. 415.
[56] Chronicon Besuense, Spicilegium II, p. 418.2


; Per Med Lands:
     "[GERTRUDE . The mother of "…Hubertus, Gerardus, Helinnanus nepotes eius…" who subscribed the testament of "Aymo…comitatus Alsinses atque Dusmensis" dated 17 Mar 1004[22] could have been the testator's sister, but the family relationship could also have been through Gertrude’s husband or through Aimon's unknown wife. No other primary source has been identified which confirms a relationship between the Fouvent and Duesmois families. "Girardus Fontisvennæ dominus" founded the church of Fouvent, "apud Artionis-curtem villam, quam de hereditate Gertrudis uxoris suæ", by charter dated 3 May 1019[23]. Dame d'Arsincourt.
     "m GERARD [II] de Fouvent, son of --- (-1032 or after).]"
Med Lands cites:
[22] Flavigny 40, p. 102.
[23] Gallia Christiana, Tome IV, Instrumenta, Instrumenta Lingonensis Ecclesiæ, XVI, col. 141.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdauxois.htm#GertrudMGerardFouvent. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdatuy.htm#_Toc478453607

Siegbert von Liesgau Graf im Liesgau1

M, #95028, d. 14 October 995
FatherWaldred (?)1 d. 984
MotherBertha von Liesgau1
Last Edited20 Aug 2020
     Siegbert von Liesgau Graf im Liesgau died on 14 October 995.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "SIEGBERT (-14 Oct 995). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not so far been identified. Graf im Liesgau 990. "Otto…rex" donated property "Vvalbisci in comitatu Karoli comitis" to Quedlinburg by charter dated 6 Jan 992, which names as present "Bernhardi ducis, Egberti comitis, Eggihardi marchionis, Herimanni palatini comitis, Huodonis marchionis, Deoderici palatini comitis eiusque fratris Sigeberti comitis, Herimanni comitis"[83]. "Otto…imperator augustus" gave judgment in a dispute between Werner Abbot of Fulda and Gozbert Abbot of Hersfeld, concerning ship travel along the Hörsel, by charter dated 30 Dec 979, which names "comites nostros Sigebertum, Sigefridum et Brunonem"[84]. Thietmar records the deaths of "the count Palatine Dietrich and his brother Siegbert" in the same year in which Heinrich II Duke of Bavaria died (995)[85].
     "m ---. The name of Siegbert's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
[83] D O III 81, p. 489.
[84] D O II 209, p. 237.
[85] Thietmar 4.20, p. 166.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#dauSiegbertMLotharUdoStade. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Patrick de Culwen of Workington1,2

M, #95029, d. circa 1212
FatherThomas (?) of Workington1,2 d. a 13 Nov 1200
MotherGrace (?)1,2
Last Edited28 Aug 2020
     Patrick de Culwen of Workington died circa 1212.1
     ; Per Weis: "Patric de Culwen of Workington (younger son), liv. 1210-1237."2

Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis. 40.1 He was living between 1210 and 1237.2

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Patrick de Culwen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00290122&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 37-26, p. 45. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.

Manassès I (?) Comte de Dijon1

M, #95033, d. after 912
ReferenceGAV30
Last Edited23 Aug 2020
     Manassès I (?) Comte de Dijon died after 912.1
     GAV-30.

; Per Med Lands:
     "MANASSES [I], son of --- (-[after 912]). The Chronicle of St Bénigne de Dijon records an undated charter of "Manasses comes" witnessed by "Walo filius eius et Manasses comes iunior"[6]. Although undated, it appears among other charters of the early years of the 10th century. If this is the correct dating, it is unlikely that it refers to Manassès (died after 925) as his sons would at the time have probably been too young to have confirmed charters. In addition, if the donation did refer to Manassès (died after 925) it is unclear why Walo and Manassès would have confirmed but not their brothers Hervé and Giselbert. The conclusion is therefore that the donation relates to the father of Manassès, who has otherwise not been identified. This interpretation appears supported by the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which in 906 names "comes Manasses Divionensi", specifying that "Walo et alterius Manasses comes iunior" were his sons[7], although it is recognised that this source is not always chronologically and factually reliable. Comte de Dijon. A charter dated 912 names "venerabili comite domno Manasse" as present at a judgment in an ecclesiastical court at Dijon by Garnier Bishop of Langres[8]. The word "venerabili" suggests that this document may refer to Manassès [I] rather than his son Manassès [II], although this is not without doubt.
     "m ---. The name of the wife of Manassès is not known.
     "Manassès & his wife had three children:
     "1. WALO (-[after 918]). Bishop of Autun .
     "2. MANASSES [II] (-925 or after). Comte de Dijon.
     "3. RAINARD (-after 924)."

Med Lands cites:
[6] Chronique de Saint-Bénigne de Dijon, p. 118.
[7] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 906, MGH SS XXIII, p. 750.
[8] Dijon Saint-Etienne, [Tome I], 22, p. 41.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgddijon.htm#_Toc478317745. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgddijon.htm#Manassesdied925

NN von Laach1

M, #95034
Last Edited24 Aug 2020

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HESSEN.htm#_Toc511123709. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HESSEN.htm#HeinrichLaachdied1095

NN de Hesbaie1

F, #95036
FatherNN de Hesbaie1
ReferenceGAV31
Last Edited26 Aug 2020
     NN de Hesbaie married Giselbert (?) Count in the Massgau, son of Gainfroi (?) Count of SensOf Austrasia, Count of Sens, de Maasgau and Theilindis (?); Per Weis: "...prob. m. a sister of Echard, Count of Hesbaye."1
     ; Per Weis: “Giselbert, Count in the Maasgau (the valley of the Meuse river) 839-842; prob. m. a sister of Echard, Count of Hesbaye.”.1 GAV-31.

Citations

  1. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 240-16, p. 217. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.

NN de Hesbaie1

M, #95037
ReferenceGAV32
Last Edited26 Aug 2020
     GAV-32.

Family

Children

Citations

  1. [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 240-16, p. 217. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.

Heinrich Raspe I von Thuringen1

M, #95039, d. 1130
FatherLudwig "der Salier" von Thuringen Graf von Thuringen1 d. c 6 May 1123
MotherAdelheid von Stade1 b. c 1060, d. bt 18 Oct 1110 - 17 Nov 1110
Last Edited24 Aug 2020
     Heinrich Raspe I von Thuringen married Kunigunde von Bilstein, daughter of Rugger II von Bilstein Count von Bilstein and NN von Gudensberg;
Her 2nd husband.1,2
Heinrich Raspe I von Thuringen died in 1130.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band I, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. 44.1

Family

Kunigunde von Bilstein d. bt 1130 - 1138

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heinrich Raspe I von Thüringen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029944&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunigunde von Bilstein: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00333188&tree=LEO

Giso (II/III) von Gudensberg1

M, #95040
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited12 Nov 2020
     Giso (II/III) von Gudensberg married Mechtild (?);
Her 1st husband.2,1
     EDV-28.

Family

Mechtild (?) b. c 1044, d. 4 Nov 1110
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giso von Gudensberg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00570227&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mechtild: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120764&tree=LEO