Robert Abell1,2,3

M, #27571, b. circa 1605, d. 20 June 1663
FatherGeorge Abell Gent., of Hemington, Leicestershire, Master of the Middle Temple1,4,5,2,3 b. c 1561, d. a 8 Sep 1630
MotherFrances Cotton1,4,6,2,3 b. c 1573, d. b 16 Apr 1646
Last Edited24 Jan 2014
     Robert Abell was born circa 1605 at Stapenhill, Derbyshire, England.1,7,2 He married Joanna (?) before 1639; her 1st husband.1,8,2,3
Robert Abell died on 20 June 1663 at Rehoboth, Bristol Co., Massachusetts, USA.1,8,2
     ; 17 Century colonial American immigrant.9

; ROBERT ABELL, of Rehoboth, Mass., the Founder of this family in America, emigrated in June, 1630, with John Winthrop, Governor of the Massachusetts Company; b in England; m Joanna, and d 20 June, 1663, leaving issue.8

; per van de Pas [quote]Gateway England - USA Royal - to Boston, Mass. June 1630

BIOGRAPHY
Robert Abell was born about 1605 in England, the second son of George Abell and Frances Cotton. He was among the early settlers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony and the first person with his surname to emigrate from England to the American colonies. He traveled from his home to New England as part of the first wave of a mass exodus of Puritans called the Great Migration.

This initial expedition was known as the Winthrop Fleet, which consisted of 11 ships carrying around 700 immigrants. In June 1630 he arrived in Boston, Massachusetts and on 19 October 1630 applied to be a freeman in the recently founded village of Weymouth. On 18 May 1631 he tooik the freeman's oath. According to Charles Henry Pope, author of _Pioneers of Massachusetts,_ 'all who came after 1650 found Massachusetts a reality, a single state, practically, although under two fraternal governments; all who came befolre that date helped essentially to make it.' [end quote]2

Reference: van de Pas cites: 1. Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-century Colonists 1996, Baltimore, 1st Edition, Faris, David, Reference: 2
2. Living descendants of Blood Royal in America , Angerville, Count d', Reference: 514
3. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 62
4. Biogr. details drawn from Wikipedia , Reference: biographical details.2

; early settler of Weymouth and Rehoboth, Mass.1

Robert Abell immigrated in June 1630 to Rehoboth, Massachusetts, USA.8

Family

Joanna (?) d. a 1682

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 56A-44, p. 62. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Abell III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199914&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), p. 34. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S1720] David Utz, "Utz email #2 29 May 2005 "Aline de Gai's descents to Robert Abell"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 29 May 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Utz email #2 29 May 2005."
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, George Abell: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199912&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Frances Cotton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199913&tree=LEO
  7. [S1720] David Utz, "Utz email #2 29 May 2005," e-mail to e-mail address, 29 May 2005, 18 [17] Robert Abell b: Abt. 1605 in Stapenhill, DBY, ENG d: 20 June 1663 in Rehoboth, MA.
  8. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Abell formerly of Stapenhill and Hemington Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  9. [S1758] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 9 Jan 2005 "Re: C.P. Addition: Identity of Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/Yx7QoO4oBPY/m/s23OAFKMbx4J) to e-mail address, 9 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 9 Jan 2005."

Joanna (?)1

F, #27572, d. after 1682
Last Edited18 May 2008
     Joanna (?) married Robert Abell, son of George Abell Gent., of Hemington, Leicestershire, Master of the Middle Temple and Frances Cotton, before 1639; her 1st husband.1,2,3,4 Joanna (?) married William Hyde on 4 June 1667 at Rehoboth, Bristol Co., Massachusetts, USA; her 2nd husband.4
Joanna (?) died after 1682 at Norwich, New London Co., Connecticut, USA.4

Family 1

Robert Abell b. c 1605, d. 20 Jun 1663

Family 2

William Hyde

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 56A-44, p. 62. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Abell formerly of Stapenhill and Hemington Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert Abell III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199914&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), p. 34. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Maud de Braiose1

F, #27573
FatherWilliam de Braiose1 b. c 1175, d. 1210
MotherMaude de Clare1 d. Jan 1225
ReferenceGAV23 GKJ25
Last Edited30 Aug 2019
     Maud de Braiose married Henry de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon, son of Oliver de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon and Eve (?).1
     GAV-23 GKJ-25.

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-29, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 63A-30, p. 67.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve de Tracy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398065&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Henry de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon1

M, #27574, d. 1274
FatherOliver de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon1 d. 1210
MotherEve (?)1
ReferenceGAV23 GKJ25
Last Edited30 Aug 2019
     Henry de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon married Maud de Braiose, daughter of William de Braiose and Maude de Clare.1
Henry de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon died in 1274.1
     GAV-23 GKJ-25.

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-29, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 63A-30, p. 67.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve de Tracy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398065&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Oliver de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon1

M, #27575, d. 1210
ReferenceGAV24 GKJ26
Last Edited19 Jul 2008
     Oliver de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon married Eve (?)1
Oliver de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon died in 1210.1
     GAV-24 GKJ-26.

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-29, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Eve (?)1

F, #27576
ReferenceGAV24 GKJ26
Last Edited19 Jul 2008
     Eve (?) married Oliver de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon.1
     GAV-24 GKJ-26.

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-29, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Eve de Tracy1

F, #27577
FatherHenry de Tracy of Barnstaple, co. Devon1,2 d. 1274
MotherMaud de Braiose1,2
ReferenceGAV22 GKJ24
Last Edited30 Aug 2019
     Eve de Tracy married Guy de Brian.3,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. VIII 535.2 GAV-22 GKJ-24.

Family

Guy de Brian
Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-30, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eve de Tracy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398065&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy de Brian: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398064&tree=LEO
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 63A-31, p. 67.
  5. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Bryan - Baron Bryan, p. 82. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  6. [S1754] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005 "C.P. Addition: Identity of Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005."

Guy de Bryan1

M, #27578, b. circa 1289, d. 1350
FatherGuy de Bryan1
MotherSibyl de Sulley1
ReferenceGAV22 EDV22
Last Edited31 Aug 2019
     Guy de Bryan married Anne Hogan.2,1 Guy de Bryan was born circa 1289.1
Guy de Bryan died in 1350.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestry of Peggy Eliot 6 Jul 2017 , Cairns, Ian.1 GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-24. Guy de Bryan was also known as Guy de Brian of Laugharne, co. Cornwall.3,4

Family

Anne Hogan b. c 1280
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy de Bryan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00685076&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Anne Hogan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00685077&tree=LEO
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-30, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  4. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Bryan - Baron Bryan, p. 82. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Sir Henry de la Pomeray1

M, #27579
Last Edited25 May 2008
     Sir Henry de la Pomeray married Amicia de Camville, daughter of Geoffrey de Camville 1st Lord Camville and Maud de Brian.1
     ; van de Pas cites: The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the USA, Baltimore, 1993, Roberts, Gary Boyd, Reference: 406.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Henry de la Pomeray: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00430078&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Henry de la Pomeray: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00430080&tree=LEO

Nicholas Martin Baron of Kemes1,2,3

M, #27580, b. circa 1236, d. circa 1260
FatherSir Nicholas fitz Martin of Blagdon, co. Somerset1 d. 1282
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Nicholas Martin Baron of Kemes was born circa 1236.1,3 He married Maud de Brian, daughter of Guy de Brian and Eve de Tracy, before 1257; her 1st husband.1,2,3,4
Nicholas Martin Baron of Kemes died circa 1260.1,3
     ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VIII 535.3

Family

Maud de Brian b. 25 Dec 1242, d. 1279
Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-31, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Bryan - Baron Bryan, p. 82. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nicholas Martin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398055&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Brian: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398063&tree=LEO
  5. [S1429] Notable British Families, Notable British Families CD # 367, p. 16.

Sir Nicholas fitz Martin of Blagdon, co. Somerset1

M, #27581, d. 1282
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Sir Nicholas fitz Martin of Blagdon, co. Somerset died in 1282.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-31, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Geoffrey de Camville 1st Lord Camville1,2

M, #27582, d. before 21 September 1308
FatherSir William de Camville1,3,4,5 d. 1260
MotherLucy (?)1,3,4 d. a 14 Aug 1284
ReferenceGAV23 GKJ23
Last Edited3 Sep 2017
     Geoffrey de Camville 1st Lord Camville married Joan (?)4 Geoffrey de Camville 1st Lord Camville married Maud de Brian, daughter of Guy de Brian and Eve de Tracy, before 1268; her 2nd husband.1,2,3,6,4
Geoffrey de Camville 1st Lord Camville died before 21 September 1308.1,3,4
     GAV-23 GKJ-23.

Geoffrey de Camville 1st Lord Camville lived at Llanstephan, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1

; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: III 3; VIII 535.4

; 1.1.1 Geoffrey de Camville
----------------------------------------
Death:     bef 21 Sep 1308[1]
Occ:     Lord Camville

of Clifton Campville, co. Stafford & c.
summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 3 Nov 1306 by writs
directed
'Galfrido de Camvilla', whereby held to have become Lord Camville[1]

had custody of Blagdon, Somerset (restored to stepson William Martin on
his death, 1308(Sanders, p. 15)[2]

Spouse:     Maud de Brian
Birth:     25 Dec 1242[1]
Death:     bef 1280[1]
Father:     Guy de Brian
Mother:     Eve de Tracy

Children:     William (<1268-<1338.)3 Geoffrey de Camville 1st Lord Camville was also known as Geoffrey de Canville 1st Baron de Canville.4

Geoffrey de Camville 1st Lord Camville lived at Clifton Campville, Staffordshire, England.1 He was 1st Lord (Baron) Camville/Canville of the notional 24 June 1295 cr on 24 June 1295.7

Family 1

Joan (?)

Family 2

Maud de Brian b. 25 Dec 1242, d. 1279
Children

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-31, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Camville - Barons Camville, of Clifton, p. 100. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  3. [S1754] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005 "C.P. Addition: Identity of Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005."
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffrey de Canville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398067&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir William de Canville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00430066&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Brian: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398063&tree=LEO
  7. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Amicia de Canville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00430079&tree=LEO
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 63A-32, p. 67.

William de Camville 2nd Lord Camville1,2,3,4

M, #27583, b. before 26 October 1268, d. before 27 July 1338
FatherGeoffrey de Camville 1st Lord Camville1,3,4,5 d. b 21 Sep 1308
MotherMaud de Brian1,3,4,6 b. 25 Dec 1242, d. 1279
ReferenceGAV22 GKJ22
Last Edited3 Sep 2017
     William de Camville 2nd Lord Camville was born before 26 October 1268; Ravilious cites: G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
[microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England
Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.1,4
William de Camville 2nd Lord Camville died before 27 July 1338; Ravilious cites: G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
[microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England
Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.1,4
     He was 2nd Lord (Baron) Camville/Canville of the notional 24 June 1295 cr.2,3 GAV-22 GKJ-22.

; 1.1.1.1 William de Camville
----------------------------------------
Birth:     bef 26 Oct 1268[1]
Death:     bef 27 Jul 1338[1]
Occ:     Lord Camville

of Clifton Campville, co. Stafford, Llanstephan, co. Carmarthen,
Fedamore, co. Limerick and Caher, co. Tipperary
2nd Lord Camville
summoned to Parliament from 4 Mar 1308/09 to 16 Jun 1311[1]

Children:     Maud (->1338.)4

William de Camville 2nd Lord Camville lived at Llanstephan, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1

William de Camville 2nd Lord Camville lived at Clifton Campville, Staffordshire, England.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-32, p. 67. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Camville - Barons Camville, of Clifton, p. 100. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  4. [S1754] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005 "C.P. Addition: Identity of Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005."
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffrey de Canville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398067&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Brian: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00398063&tree=LEO
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 63A-33, p. 68.

Matilda/Maud de Camville1,2,3

F, #27584, d. after 27 July 1342
FatherWilliam de Camville 2nd Lord Camville1,2,3,4 b. b 26 Oct 1268, d. b 27 Jul 1338
ReferenceGAV21 GKJ21
Last Edited3 Sep 2017
     Matilda/Maud de Camville married Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire, son of Sir Richard de Vernon Sr. and Isabel de Harcla, before 1312.1,2,5,4
Matilda/Maud de Camville died after 27 July 1342.1,4
     ; per Ravilious email: Maud de Camville [1]
Death:     aft 27 Jul 1338[1]

one of 5 daughters and coheiresses[1]

Spouse:     Richard de Vernon
Death:     bef 3 Jun 1323[1]
Father:     Sir Richard de Vernon (->1323)

Children:     Sir William (-<1378)

Ravilious cites: G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
[microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England
Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.4 GAV-21 GKJ-21.

Family

Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire d. bt 3 Feb 1322 - 3 Jun 1323
Children

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-33, p. 68. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Camville - Barons Camville, of Clifton, p. 100. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  4. [S1754] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005 "C.P. Addition: Identity of Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005."
  5. [S1436] Todd A. Farmerie, "Farmerie email "Re: (Repeat) Is there a line from Eustace Vesci?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Farmerie email 11 May 2003."
  6. [S1941] Luke Potter, "Potter email 30 Aug 2005: "Re: Juliana of Vescy or of Alnwick - better birth range"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 30 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Potter email 30 Aug 2005."
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 63A-34, p. 68.

Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire1,2

M, #27585, d. between 3 February 1322 and 3 June 1323
FatherSir Richard de Vernon Sr.1,3,4 b. c 1263, d. b 1331
MotherIsabel de Harcla4,5 d. c 1342
ReferenceGAV21 GKJ21
Last Edited3 Sep 2017
     Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire married Eleanor de Fiennes, daughter of Sir Giles de Fiennes Knt., of White Waltham, Berkshire and Sibyl Filliol; his 1st wife.3 Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire married Matilda/Maud de Camville, daughter of William de Camville 2nd Lord Camville, before 1312.1,3,6,7
Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire died between 3 February 1322 and 3 June 1323; dvp.1,3,7,5
Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire died after 1330.1
     GAV-21 GKJ-21.

; Richard (Sir); m Maud, dau and coheir of William de Camville, 2nd Lord (Baron) Camville/Canville of the notional 24 June 1295 cr, and dvp by 3 Feb 1322/3, leaving, with a dau (Isabella, m 1337 Sir Richard Stafford, of Pype, Staffs): William (Sir.3

; Richard (Sir), of Haddon; m 1st Alianore (dsp), dau of Giles de Frenes; m 2nd Juliana, dau of William de Vescy, of Alnwick, Northumberland, and Malton, Yorks, by Agnes, dau of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (qv, preliminary remarks) of the 1138 cr, thus acquiring Arleston, Derbys, and by her had: Richard (Sir).3

; Dear John ~ Thank you for your good post. The descent you have set forth for Jane (Lowe) Sewell is based on the
premise that Maud de Camville, wife of Sir Richard de Vernon, was the
mother of Richard's son and heir, William de Vernon. However, my
research indicates that Maud's entire inheritance went to her daughter,
Isabel de Vernon, wife of Sir Richard de Stafford, to the complete
exclusion of Isabel's brother, William de Vernon. As such, it seems
clear that Maud de Camville was the mother only of Isabel de Vernon,
and not of William de Vernon.

For further evidence that this is correct, I find that the tomb of
Isabel de Vernon's descendant, Sir John Stanley (died 1508), displays
various Stanley family quarterings, including Arderne impaling
Stafford, Pype, and Camville, but not Vernon [Reference: Earwaker, East Cheshire 1 (1877): 277-278]. This heraldic evidence suggests
that Isabel de Vernon, wife of Sir Richard de Stafford, was heiress of
her mother, Maud de Camville, but not of her father.

This information regarding Isabel de Vernon's parentage would be
another new addition to Complete Peerage, albeit indirectly. I
understand Isabel de Vernon's husband, Sir Richard de Stafford, was
summoned to Parliament from 1370, yet for some reason he was not
included in Complete Peerage.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net.8

; per Potter email: [quote] Isabel daughter of Michael de Harcla was wife of Richard de Vernon senior who was also known as Richard le Franceys. Richard was dead by 1329 when Isabel sued William de Vernon for a third part of two parts of two messuages and a moiety of Netherhaddon [_Staffordshire Historical Collections_, Vol.9, p.9]. Isabel was still living by 1342 when there is an interesting entry in the Register of John Kirkby, Bishop of Carlisle:

"It is good to give testimony in the business of the needy. At the time of writing, the noble matron Isabel de Vernon was sane and in perfect physical health, as could clearly be seen in her manor of Mauld's Meaburn, where she lived. These letters are written in case anyone might make an assertion to the contrary." [R.Storey (ed.), _The Register of John Kirkby, Bishop of Carlisle, 1332-1352,_ (Canterbury and York Society, 1993), p.41]

The eldest son of Richard and Isabel was another Richard. His first wife was Eleanor de Frenes, but then by Feb 1312/3 he was re-married to Matilda de Camville daughter of William Camville. I can identify three children, William, Isabel and Matilda, before Richard died in Feb 1322/3.

Upon the subsequent death of his grandfather, William inherited his grandfather's estates (or at least those which were not held in dower by his mother and grandmother). His wife was a Joan whose surname I have not yet identified. [_Staffordshire Historical Collections_, Vol.12, p.58]

His sister Isabel married Richard de Stafford as stated before in this thread, but she was therefore the daughter of Richard de Vernon and Matilda de Camville, and grandaughter of Richard de Vernon and Isabel de Harcla. Again no connection to the Vescy family.

Their other sister, Matilda, received a grant from her mother in 12 Edward III (1338/9) of £20 yearly from the rents of her tenement in Haunton, Staffordshire [BL, Harl MS. 2074, f.34]. I suspect that this Matilda may then have married William son of Hugh de Venables of Cheshire.

BL Harl MS 2077, f.37 gives summaries of the following two charters:

1/ Covenant of marriage that William son of Sir Hugh Venables should marry Maude the daughter of Maude Vernon and of Richard Vernon. Dated 16 Edward III

2/ Maud who was wife of Richard de Vernon grants to Maude her daughter wife of William de Venables and her heirs an annual rent of £20 silver from the lands and tenements which were of John de Cave in Hamtton. Dated 23 Edward III.

I suspect that Hamtton was actually a misreading by the original copier of Haunton. Haunton was part of the Camville land held by Matilda de Vernon (nee Camville) in the 1327 Lay Subsidy, and so looks like this Vernon/Venables marriage was actually of the Haddon Vernons rather than the Shipbrook Vernons. [end quote]5

; Dear Douglas, you have voiced a valid concern about the descent of the Vernons from
Maud de Camville, given the subsequent devolution of her inheritance.
However, a case can be made to support William de Vernon's maternity.
Firstly, in the Feodary of Tutbury, as reproduced in John Pym Yeatman's
Feudal History of the County of Derby vol.1 section 2, on page 495 we
find "Rich Vernon and Magister Edmund Stafford hold the manors of
Bromcote, Grendon, Shepeye, and Basturley [all in Leics.], for 3 fees."
Edmund Stafford, Bishop of Exeter (1344-1419) was the surviving
legitimate son and heir of Sir Richard Stafford, and Shepeye and
Grendon, at least, were certainly Camville lands; this would imply a
shared Camville descent. In the intricate (but not entirely accurate)
pedigree at page 982* of Nichols's Leicester vol.3 part 2 we have Sir
Richard de Stafford "of Clifton in part" and his son Bishop Edmund
"lord of Clifton by exchange with Richard Vernon and guardians". This
may give a clue- Shaw's Staffordshire vol.1 page 404 gives as an
evidence for the pedigree a "deed of bp.Edm.Staff.cop. in Huntb[ach]
No.2", which evidently dates from 1402-3 and involves Richard de
Vernon, then a minor, son of the late Richard de Vernon of Harleston kt
and his wife Joanna, then living. (If anybody can locate the text of
this deed, it should settle the matter.) Although Richard de Vernon
(dead 1323) was betrothed while a minor to Eleanor, daughter of Giles
de Fenes, she would not appear to be a candidate for William's mother,
as she was dead by 1302 (see, for instance, VCH Bucks, sub Pitchcott)
and William is described as being 10 years old at his father's
inquisition in 1323 (CIPM Edw.II, vi.238). Richard was married to Maud
by 1313, as there is an enfeoffment of "Richard son of Richard de
Vernon and Maud his wife" dated Sunday after the Purification, 6 Edw.II
(HMC Rutland, iv.28).
As for the heraldry, it is significant that the arms of Pype are
mentioned, as although the manor of Pipe was held by the Staffords and
Stanleys, there was no blood succession. The new ODNB describes how
Richard, Lord Stafford of Clifton acquired this manor at the expense of
the blood heir, his mother Margaret (nee Bassett) having remarried to
Sir Thomas Pipe. Stafford's second wife Maud Stafford also brought
claims to the Pipe lands; but again, she was not the mother of his
posterity. So it seems that the shields that Earwaker records represent
the acquisition of lands, by whatever means, by the ancestors of John
Stanley (query whether he was a knight, although his father -also John-
certainly was one). Clifton and other Camville lands (in part?) may
have been a marriage portion, later enhanced by exchange; the arms of
Camville also appear among those of other heiresses on the memorial
brass to Sir William Vernon (d.1467) at Tong, Shropshire, and on all
later such Vernon heraldry.9

Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire lived at Haddon, Derbyshire, England.1 Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire was also known as Sir Richard de Vernon of Haddon.1,3

Sir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire lived at Harlaston, Staffordshire, England.1

Family 2

Matilda/Maud de Camville d. a 27 Jul 1342
Children

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-33, p. 68. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1939] Will Johnson, "Johnson email 29 Aug 2005: "Juliana of Vescy or of Alnwick - better birth range"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 29 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Johnson email 29 Aug 2005."
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  4. [S1940] Matthew Connolly, "Connolly email 29 Aug 2005: "Re: Juliana of Vescy or of Alnwick - better birth range"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 29 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Connolly email 29 Aug 2005."
  5. [S1941] Luke Potter, "Potter email 30 Aug 2005: "Re: Juliana of Vescy or of Alnwick - better birth range"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 30 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Potter email 30 Aug 2005."
  6. [S1436] Todd A. Farmerie, "Farmerie email "Re: (Repeat) Is there a line from Eustace Vesci?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Farmerie email 11 May 2003."
  7. [S1754] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005 "C.P. Addition: Identity of Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005."
  8. [S1755] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 7 Jan 2005 "Re: C.P. Addition: Identity of Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 7 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 7 Jan 2005."
  9. [S1756] M. Vernon Connolly, "Connolly email #1 8 Jan 2005 "Re: C.P. Addition: Identity of Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 8 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Connolly email #1 8 Jan 2005."
  10. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 63A-34, p. 68.

Elizabeth Sulyard1

F, #27586
FatherSir John Sulliard (Sulyard) Knt.1,2 b. c 1428, d. bt 18 Mar 1487 - 1488
MotherAnne Andrews1,2 d. 25 Jul 1520
Last Edited4 Jan 2009
     Elizabeth Sulyard married Sir Edward Baynton Knt., of Bromham, Wiltshire, son of Sir John Baynton of Bromham and Jane Digges, circa 1505; his 1st wife.3,4,2
     ; van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: O 28784.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Sulyard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313445&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Ludlow 13.ii: pp. 475-476. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Edward Baynton, of Bromham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00313444&tree=LEO
  4. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, p. 69.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bridget Baynton, of Bromham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00107608&tree=LEO

Juliana de Vescy1,2

F, #27587
FatherWilliam de Vescy Baron Vescy, of Alnwick, Northumberland, and Malton, Yorks2 d. b 7 Oct 1253
MotherAgnes de Ferrers2 d. 11 May 1290
Last Edited15 Aug 2006
     ; I'm afraid this Juliana de Vescy should really be jettisoned from genealogies- she seems to first appear at the top (ie unreliable) end of a visitation, and was given extra life by Burke's et al. for a few centuries; but she can't have been the child of those parents, or her descendants would have inherited the Vesci lands that instead passed to the Aton family. The latest (and final paper) edition of Burke's peerage (2003) has a much improved Vernon pedigree, and Juliana no longer appears. Her place is (correctly) taken by Isabel, daughter of Michael de Harcla (Hartcla, Harclay) (sheriff of Cumberland 1285-98, dead by 1309, married Joan dau William Fitzjohn -ODNB), and sister of Andrew, (briefly) Earl of Carlisle.3

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-33, p. 68. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1940] Matthew Connolly, "Connolly email 29 Aug 2005: "Re: Juliana of Vescy or of Alnwick - better birth range"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 29 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Connolly email 29 Aug 2005."

Sir William de Vernon1

M, #27588, b. between 1312 and 1313, d. before 29 September 1378
FatherSir Richard de Vernon Knt., of Haddon, Derbyshire1,2,3 d. bt 3 Feb 1322 - 3 Jun 1323
MotherMatilda/Maud de Camville1,2 d. a 27 Jul 1342
ReferenceGAV20 GKJ20
Last Edited4 Sep 2017
     Sir William de Vernon married Margaret de Stopford, daughter of Robert de Stopford.2,3,4 Sir William de Vernon was born between 1312 and 1313.1,2
Sir William de Vernon died before 29 September 1378.3
     Sir William de Vernon lived at Haddon, Derbyshire, England.1

; William (Sir); b 1312/3; m Margaret, dau of Robert de Stopford.2

Sir William de Vernon lived at Harlaston, Staffordshire, England.1

; per Ravilious email: Sir William de Vernon
Death:     bef 29 Sep 1378[4]

of Haddon and Harleston, co. Derby
succeeded his grandfather[4], noted also in CP Vol III (Camville),
pp. 4-5[1]

Spouse:     Margaret de Stopford[4]
Father:     Robert de Stopford

Children:     Sir Richard (-1376)

Ravilious cites: Robert W. Barnes, "British Roots of Maryland Families," Baltimore:
Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1999.3 GAV-20 GKJ-20.

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-34, p. 68. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1754] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005 "C.P. Addition: Identity of Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 4 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 4 Jan 2005."
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret de Stopford: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00252412&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 63A-35, p. 68.

Margaret de Stockport1

F, #27589, d. 1239
FatherSir Robert de Stockport2
Last Edited13 Dec 2002
     Margaret de Stockport married Sir William de Vernon, son of Richard or William de Vernon and Avice de Avenell, in 1230.2
Margaret de Stockport died in 1239.2

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 63A-34, p. 68. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Sir Robert de Stockport1

M, #27590
Last Edited13 Dec 2002

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Vernon, Baron Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Geoffrey Luttrell 2nd Lord Luterel of Irnham1

M, #27591
FatherRobert Luttrell 1st Lord Luterel of Irnham1
Last Edited16 Sep 2006
     Geoffrey Luttrell 2nd Lord Luterel of Irnham married Agnes de Sutton, daughter of Sir Richard de Sutton of Warsop & Sutton on Trent, Notts.2
     ; According to CP VIII:286-7 Geoffrey Luttrell, nominal 2nd Lord Luterel, of Irnham (being son and heir of Robert Luttrell, the 1st Lord); m. Agnes, daughter of Sir Richard de Sutton, of Warsop and Sutton-on-Trent, Notts. Concerning their marriage note "d" on page 287 reads:

(d) In 1318, after she had borne him several children, the manor of Irnham was settled upon him and her for their lives (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1317-1321, p. 244). Many years after this it was found that they were related in the third and fourth degrees of consanguinity. They were able to obtain from the Pope, however, through the Archbishop of York, a special dispensation legitimising their children (Cal. Papal Letters, vol ii, p. 368).

My records show no close relationships between these two (admittedly my ancestry for each is rather spotty).

Can anyone in the group give details on the relationship between them?
Jim Weber.1 Geoffrey Luttrell 2nd Lord Luterel of Irnham was also known as Sir George Luttrell.2

Family

Agnes de Sutton
Children

Citations

  1. [S1961] Jim Weber, "Weber email 18 Sept 2005 "Geoffrey Luttrell & Agnes de Sutton"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 18 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Weber email 18 Sept 2005."
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 74A-34, p. 75. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Scrope of Danby Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Agnes de Sutton1

F, #27592
FatherSir Richard de Sutton of Warsop & Sutton on Trent, Notts.1
Last Edited3 Jan 2002

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 74A-34, p. 75. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Scrope of Danby Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Sir Richard de Sutton of Warsop & Sutton on Trent, Notts.1

M, #27593
Last Edited3 Jan 2002

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 74A-34, p. 75. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Sir Andrew Luttrell1

M, #27594, b. circa 1369, d. 31 December 1397
FatherSir Andrew Luttrell 3rd Baron Luttrell, of Irnham, Lincs1 b. 1313, d. 6 Sep 1390
MotherHawise le Despenser1 b. c 1345, d. 10 Apr 1414
Last Edited3 Jan 2002
     Sir Andrew Luttrell was born circa 1369.1
Sir Andrew Luttrell died on 31 December 1397.1

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 74A-35, p. 75. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Alexander Dundonald Stewart 4th High Steward of Scotland1,2

M, #27595, b. 1214, d. between 1282 and 1283
FatherWalter fitz Alan Stewart 3rd Great Steward of Scotland3,4 d. 1241
MotherBeatrix (?) of Angus2
ReferenceEDV23
Last Edited11 Nov 2020
     Alexander Dundonald Stewart 4th High Steward of Scotland married Jean (?) of Bute, daughter of James (?) Earl of Bute, Lord of Bute and Arran.1,2 Alexander Dundonald Stewart 4th High Steward of Scotland was born in 1214.5
Alexander Dundonald Stewart 4th High Steward of Scotland died between 1282 and 1283.1,3
     ; ALEXANDER, 4TH GREAT STEWARD OF SCOTLAND, a Crusader, was co-Regent of Scotland 1255, as one of the leaders of the Doorward's pro-English party who had helped to kidnap young KING ALEXANDER III from Edinburgh Castle, cmded the right wing at the battle of Largs 1263, when the Norsemen under King Haakon the Old were utterly routed and the Hebrides brought under Scottish sway, for which he was rewarded with the Barony of Garlies in Galloway (still held by his Stewart descendants, the Earls of Galloway); m Jean, heiress of the Isles of Bute and Arran, dau of James (who with his f and brothers was k by the Skye men in 1210), s of Angus, Ld of Bute and Arran (yr s of Somerled, King of the South Isles), and by her had issue.2 EDV-23. He was 4th Great Steward of Scotland.2

Family

Jean (?) of Bute
Children

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 75A-31, p. 75. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 433 (Chart 26). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  4. [S1826] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004 "The 'Turnberry Band' : A Genealogical Perspective"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Nov 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Nov 2004."
  5. [S1867] MichaelAnne, "MichaelAnne email 26 Jan 2005: "Re: Umfreville, Stewart, Earls of Angus"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/slvedKKvIwg/m/XcD77d-R8xsJ) to e-mail address, 26 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "MichaelAnne email 26 Jan 2005."
  6. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stewart of Appin Family Page.
  7. [S2135] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007: "Re: The Bonkil (or de Bonkil) family, ancestors of Stewart of Darnley"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 31 Jan 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007."

Jean (?) of Bute1

F, #27596
FatherJames (?) Earl of Bute, Lord of Bute and Arran1,2,3,4 d. 1210
ReferenceEDV21
Last Edited30 Oct 2020
     Jean (?) of Bute married Alexander Dundonald Stewart 4th High Steward of Scotland, son of Walter fitz Alan Stewart 3rd Great Steward of Scotland and Beatrix (?) of Angus.1,2
     ; heiress of the Isles of Bute and Arran.2 EDV-21. Jean (?) of Bute was also known as Jean MacRory.5

Family

Alexander Dundonald Stewart 4th High Steward of Scotland b. 1214, d. bt 1282 - 1283
Children

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 75A-31, p. 75. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, James (Seumas) Macrory: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006191&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#SomerledArgylldied1164. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1867] MichaelAnne, "MichaelAnne email 26 Jan 2005: "Re: Umfreville, Stewart, Earls of Angus"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/slvedKKvIwg/m/XcD77d-R8xsJ) to e-mail address, 26 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "MichaelAnne email 26 Jan 2005."
  6. [S2135] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007: "Re: The Bonkil (or de Bonkil) family, ancestors of Stewart of Darnley"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 31 Jan 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 31 Jan 2007."

James (?) Earl of Bute, Lord of Bute and Arran1,2

M, #27597, d. 1210
FatherAngus (?) Lord of Bute and Arran3,4,5 d. c 1210
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited30 Oct 2020
     James (?) Earl of Bute, Lord of Bute and Arran died in 1210; who with his f and brothers was k by the Skye men in 1210.3,2
     EDV-22.

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 212.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "JAMES . Balfour Paul names James as son of Angus, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[1032]. Lord of Bute and Arran.
     "m ---. The name of James’s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites: [1032] Balfour Paul, Vol. V, Macdonald Lord of the Isles, p. 31.5 James (?) Earl of Bute, Lord of Bute and Arran was also known as James MacSorley Lord of Bute.7 James (?) Earl of Bute, Lord of Bute and Arran was also known as James (Seumas) Macrory Lord of Bute.6

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 75A-31, p. 75. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 433 (Chart 26). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aonghus mac Somhairle of the Isles: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056791&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#SomerledArgylldied1164. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, James (Seumas) Macrory: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006191&tree=LEO
  7. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, MacDougall of MacDougall Family Page.

George Dalison Esq., of Craneley, co. Northampton1

M, #27598
ReferenceEDV16 GKJ15
Last Edited19 Dec 2012
     EDV-16 GKJ-15. George Dalison Esq., of Craneley, co. Northampton was also known as George Dalyson Esq., of Craneley, co. Northampton.2,1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Saint John 16: pp. 628-9. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 85-38, p. 85. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Sir Edmund de Clyvedon1

M, #27599, d. between 16 January 1375 and 1376
Last Edited19 Jul 2008
     Sir Edmund de Clyvedon married Alice (?); her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.1,2,3
Sir Edmund de Clyvedon died between 16 January 1375 and 1376.2
     Sir Edmund de Clyvedon was also known as Edmund de Clyvedon Knt., of Clyvedon, Somerset.2

Family

Alice (?) d. 27 Mar 1426

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 124A-35, p. 114. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Bonville 9: p. 126. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00146975&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Alice (?)1,2,3

F, #27600, d. 27 March 1426
Last Edited19 Jul 2008
     Alice (?) married John Fitz Roger Lord of Chewton, son of Sir Henry Fitz Roger Ktn., Lord of Chewton, Somerset and Elizabeth de Holand, before 26 April 1369; her 1st husband.4,5,2,3 Alice (?) married Sir Edmund de Clyvedon; her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.1,2,3 Alice (?) married Sir Ralph Carminowe of Carminowe before 18 November 1383; her 3rd husband, his 2nd wife.2,3,6 Alice (?) married Sir John Rodeney Knt. before 27 January 1389; her 4th husband; his 2nd wife.2,3 Alice (?) married Sir William de Bonville Knt., of Shute, co. Devon before 6 June 1402; her 5th husband; his 2nd wife.1,2,3
Alice (?) died on 27 March 1426.5,1,2,3
     ; van de Pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 59
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: II 218.3

Family 1

John Fitz Roger Lord of Chewton b. bt 1344 - 1352, d. bt 1370 - 1372
Child

Family 2

Sir Edmund de Clyvedon d. bt 16 Jan 1375 - 1376

Family 3

Sir Ralph Carminowe of Carminowe d. bt 9 Oct 1386 - 1 Jan 1387

Family 4

Sir John Rodeney Knt. d. 19 Dec 1400

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 124A-35, p. 114. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Bonville 9: p. 126. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alice: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00146975&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), pp. 37-38. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
  5. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 90A-8, p. 113. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Ralph Carminowe, of Carminowe: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00146975&tree=LEO
  7. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Bonville 10: p. 126.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth FitzRoger: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00146977&tree=LEO