Aelis Petronelle (?) d'Aquitaine1,2

F, #56101, b. circa 1125, d. after 24 October 1153
FatherGuillaume VIII-X "The Pious" de Poitou Duke of Aquitaine, Count of Poitou1,3,4,5,6,7 b. 1099, d. 9 Apr 1137
MotherEleanor/Aénor de Châtellerault Duchesse d'Aquitaine1,3,4,5,8,7 b. c 1103, d. a Mar 1129/30
Last Edited14 Jul 2020
     Aelis Petronelle (?) d'Aquitaine was born circa 1125.1,3 She married Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France, son of Hugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc. and Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy), in 1142;
His 2nd wife.1,2,9,10,3,5 Aelis Petronelle (?) d'Aquitaine and Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France were divorced in 1151.1,2
Aelis Petronelle (?) d'Aquitaine died after 24 October 1153.1,3
     ; Aelis=Petronelle, *1123-28, +after 24.10.1153; m.1142 (div ca 1151) Cte Raoul I de Vermandois (+1152.)

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band II, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Page 28.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "AELIS [Petronille] d'Aquitaine ([1125]-after 24 Oct 1151, bur St Arnould in Crépy). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines specifies that "Alienor Guilielmi filia comits Pictavorum et Aquitanie ducis" had two sisters one of whom married "Radulfus…comes Perone et Veromandie", although he does not name them[606]. The Historiæ Tornacenses record the wife of "Radulfem comitem" as "germanam Alienore regine Francorum" but also do not name her[607]. Robert of Torigny refers to the mother of the infant children of "Radulfus de Perrona comes Viromandorum" as "iuniore filia Willelmi ducis Aquitanorum" but he does not name her either[608]. The Chronique de Guillaume de Nangis names "Eléonore et Pétronille" as the two daughters of "Guillaume comte de Poitou et prince d'Aquitaine", recording in 1142 that Pétronille married "Raoul comte de Vermandois" after he repudiated his first wife[609]. "Helienordis...Francorum regina et Aquitanorum ducissa" confirmed the privileges of Notre-Dame de Saintes, at the request of "Agnetis abbatisse", with the consent of “Ludovici regis Francorum et ducis Aquitanorum collateralis nostri et Aelith sororis nostre”, by charter dated 1151[610].
     "m (1142) as his second wife, RAOUL I "le Vaillant" Comte de Vermandois, son of HUGUES "le Maisné" de France Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adelais Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy ([1094]-13 Oct 1152, bur Priory of Saint-Arnoul de Crépy). "
Med Lands cites:
[606] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1152, MGH SS XXIII, p. 841.
[607] Historiæ Tornacenses IV.5, MGH SS XIV, p. 343.
[608] Chronique de Robert de Torigny I, 1152, p. 263.
[609] Guillaume de Nangis, pp. 18 and 24.
[610] Saintes Notre-Dame, XXIX, p. 36.5
Aelis Petronelle (?) d'Aquitaine was also known as Petronella/Alix de Poitou.3
; Per Racines et Histoire (Vermandois et Valois): "Raoul 1er «Le Vaillant» ou «Le Grand» ou «Le Borgne» de Vermandois ° 1085 + 11/10/1152 (Crépy) comte de Vermandois, Valois (1124), Amiens et Crépy, seigneur de Péronne, Grand-Sénéchal de France (1133)
     ép. 1) 1120/25 (div.1142) Eléonore de Blois (fille d’Etienne, comte de Blois-Champagne)
     ép. 2) après 1142 (~1148) Alix (alias Adélaïde ou Péronnelle) d’Aquitaine °~1125 + après 24/10/1151 (1152 ?) (fille de Guillaume, duc d’Aquitaine) > 3 enfants
     ép. ?3) 1152 Laurette de Lorraine (Flandres) ° 04/09/1132 + 1175 (fille de Thierri de Lorraine, comte de Flandres.)11"

; Per Racines et Histoire: "1) Aélis (Aélith, Péronelle) d’Aquitaine ° 1123/28 (1125 ?) + après 24/10/1151
ép. 1142 (div. ~1151) Raoul 1er «Le Vaillant», comte de Vermandois ° 1094 + 13/10/1152 (fils d’Hugues «Le Maisné» de France, comte de Vermandois, et d’Adélaïs,
comtesse de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy ; divorcé de la nièce de Thibaud de Champagne.)4"

; Raoul repudiated his wife, Eleonore, in order to marry Petronille. With the complaints of several bishops, the Pope excommunicates both Petronille and Raoul I on the pretext of consanguinity, and a Council in Lagny would condemn the prelates who assisted Raoul. King Louis VII de France takes strong exception to this action, and has his brother Robert de Dreux invade Champagne. The Pope promisses to lift the excommunication, but in 1143, Innocent II, would recant his promise and Louis VII would burn the town of Vitry which would then be renamed to Vitry-le-Brule. When Innocent II died on 23 September 1143, His successor Celestin II would lift the interdict and validate the marriage of Raoul I and Petronille.12

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Poitou 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/poitou/poitou1.html#G5
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet8.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Petronella|Alix de Poitou: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020906&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Ducs d’Aquitaine & Comtes de Poitou, p. 12: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aquitaine-Poitou.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AQUITAINE.htm#AelisPetronilledied1153. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume VIII-X: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020884&tree=LEO
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  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aénor de Châtellerault: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020885&tree=LEO
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  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#RaoulIdied1152B
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Poitou Notes page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/poitou/note.html
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabelle de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026293&tree=LEO
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet8.html#MR1
  15. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf, p. 9.
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026295&tree=LEO
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Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France1,2,3,4

M, #56102, b. 1094
FatherHugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc.5,4,6,7,8,9,10 b. 1057, d. 18 Oct 1101
MotherAdélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy)5,4,6,7,8,11,10 b. 1050, d. 23 Sep 1124
Last Edited21 Dec 2020
     Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France was born in 1094.5,6,10 He married Eléonore de Blois, daughter of Etienne (Stephen) Henri de Blois comte de Blois, Chartres, Châteaudun, Meaux, Provins et Sancerre and Adela/Adèle (?) de Normandie, Countess of Blois and Chartres, in 1120;
His 1st wife.5,4,12,8 Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France and Eléonore de Blois were divorced in 1142; Per Med Lands: "divorced 1142 on the grounds of consanguinity."5,4,12,8 Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France married Aelis Petronelle (?) d'Aquitaine, daughter of Guillaume VIII-X "The Pious" de Poitou Duke of Aquitaine, Count of Poitou and Eleanor/Aénor de Châtellerault Duchesse d'Aquitaine, in 1142;
His 2nd wife.1,5,7,8,13,14 Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France and Aelis Petronelle (?) d'Aquitaine were divorced in 1151.1,5 Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France married Laurette (?) of Flanders, daughter of Thierry III d'Alsace (?) comte de Flandres and Swanhilde (?), in 1152;
His 3rd wife; her 3rd husband.15,3,16,6,7,8,17,18
Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France died on 14 October 1152; Genealogics says d. 14 Oct 1152.6,7,1,2
Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois Cmte de Vermandois et de Valois, seneschal of France was buried after 14 October 1152 at Abbaye Saint Arnoul, Crepy-en-Valois, Departement de l'Oise, Picardie, France,

; From Find A Grave
     BIRTH     1094
     DEATH     1 Oct 1152 (aged 57–58)
     Nobility, eldest son of Hugues de France and Adelaide de Vermandois. He succeeded his parents as Count of Vermandois, Amiens and of Crépy and was appointed sénéchal de France by Louis VI in 1131.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Hugues I de Vermandois 1057–1101
     Spouses
          Laurette de Flandre 1120–1170 (m. 1952)
          Aelis Petronille de Aquitaine 1125–1151
     Siblings
          Isabel Vermandois Beaumont de Warenne 1081–1131
     Children
          Elisabeth de Vermandois 1143–1183
          Raoul II de Vermandois 1145–1167
          Eleonore de Vermandois 1152–1213
     BURIAL     Abbaye Saint Arnoul, Crepy-en-Valois, Departement de l'Oise, Picardie, France
     Created by: Lutetia
     Added: 13 Jan 2013
     Find a Grave Memorial 103488072.5,7,19
     ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Eléonore de Blois + après 1148
     ép. 1120 (répud. 1142) Raoul 1er «Le Vaillant», comte de Vermandois ° 1094 + 13/10/1152 (fils d’Hugues «Le Maisné» de France, comte de Vermandois, et d’Adelais, comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy.)20"

; Cte Raoul I "le Vaillant" de Vermandois et de Valois, *1085, +1152, bur St.Arnould in Crepy; 1m: 1120/5 (div 1142) Eleonore, dau.of Cte Etienne de Blois; 2m: 1142 (div 1151) Alix=Petronille, dau.of Duke William of Aquitaine (*ca 1125 +1153); 3m: 1152 Laurette of Lorraine (*ca 1120 +1175.)2

; Per Med Lands:
     "RAOUL [I] "le Vaillant" de Vermandois, son of HUGUES [I] de France Comte de Vermandois [Capet] & his wife Adelais Ctss de Vermandois ([1094]-13 Oct 1152, bur Priory of Saint-Arnoul de Crépy). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names (in order) "Radulfum comitem Veromandie et Henricum de Chauni et Simonem episcopum Noviomensem" as the sons of "Hugonem Magnum [et] Adelaide comitissa Veromandensium"[339]. Orderic Vitalis records that in 1096 "Hugo Crispeii comes" placed "Radulfo et Henrico filiis suis" in charge of his land, married "Ysabel filiam suam" to "Rodberto de Mellento comiti", and left on pilgrimage taking "secum nobile agmen Francorum"[340]. Robert of Torigny records that "Rodulfus filius eius" succeeded in 1102 on the death of "Hugo Magnus"[341]. He succeeded his father in 1102 as Comte de Vermandois, and his mother in 1117. "Adela…Viromandorum comitissa, filius…meus Radulphus" renounced their claim to certain serfs in favour of the abbey of Compiègne Saint-Corneille, with the consent of "filiorum meorum Radulphi, Henrici, Symonis", by charter dated 1114[342]. He lost an eye at the siege of the château of Livry in early 1129. Louis VI King of France appointed him seneschal of France in Nov 1131. He allied himself with Queen Adélaïde, the Queen mother, in 1138 against her son King Louis VII and Suger, but was reconciled with the king in 1139. "Comes Rodulfus de Perrona filius Hugonis magni fratris Philippi regis Francorum" provided for masses at "monasterio de Crespeio, quod antiquitus in eodem Crespeii castro constructum fuerat" by charter dated to [1140][343]. His repudiation of his first wife triggered war with Champagne and excommunication by the Pope, although the divorce was finally accepted by the church in 1148. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1152 of "Radulfus de Perrona comes Viromandorum", specifying that he appointed "Galeranni comitis Mellenti nepotis sui" as guardian of his infant children[344]. The necrology of the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs records the death "III Id Oct" of "Rodulfus comes"[345].
     "m firstly ([1120], divorced 1142 on the grounds of consanguinity) ELEONORE de Blois, daughter of ETIENNE Comte de Blois & his wife Adela of England. Kerrebrouck names Eleonore, daughter of Comte Etienne, as the first wife of Raoul Comte de Vermandois[346] but the primary source on which this is based has not been identified. After her repudiation she found refuge with her brother Thibaut IV Comte de Champagne who declared war on her husband and appealed to Pope Innocent II who excommunicated him. Ctss Eléonore appeared in person before Pope Eugene III at Reims 21 Mar 1148, but the Pope confirmed the annulment of her marriage[347].
     "m secondly (1142) AELIS [Petronille] d'Aquitaine, daughter of GUILLAUME X Duke of Aquitaine [GUILLAUME VIII Comte de Poitou] & his first wife Eléonore de Châtellerault ([1125]-after 24 Oct 1151, bur St Arnould in Crépy). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines specifies that "Alienor Guilielmi filia comits Pictavorum et Aquitanie ducis" had two sisters one of whom married "Radulfus…comes Perone et Veromandie", although he does not name either of them[348]. The Historiæ Tornacenses record the wife of "Radulfem comitem" as "germanam Alienore regine Francorum" but also do not name her[349]. Robert of Torigny refers to the mother of the infant children of "Radulfus de Perrona comes Viromandorum" as "iuniore filia Willelmi ducis Aquitanorum" but he does not name her either[350]. The Chronique de Guillaume de Nangis names "Eléonore et Pétronille" as the two daughters of "Guillaume comte de Poitou et prince d'Aquitaine", recording in 1142 that Pétronille married "Raoul comte de Vermandois" after he repudiated his first wife[351]. "Helienordis...Francorum regina et Aquitanorum ducissa" confirmed the privileges of Notre-Dame de Saintes, at the request of "Agnetis abbatisse", with the consent of “Ludovici regis Francorum et ducis Aquitanorum collateralis nostri et Aelith sororis nostre”, by charter dated 1151[352].
     "m thirdly (1152) as her third husband, LAURETTA de Flandre, widow firstly of IWAN Graaf van Aalst and secondly of HENDRIK II Duke of Limburg, daughter of THIERRY Count of Flanders & his first wife Swanhilde --- ([1120]-Abbaye de Voorst, near Brussels 1170). The Flandria Generosa names "Laurentiam" as the only daughter of "comitissa etiam Suanildis", specifying that her marriage with "dux de Lemburg" was terminated on grounds of consanguinity, that she subsequently married "Iwanus de Alst", and after the latter's death "Rodulfo comiti Peronensi" and "comiti de Namur", although this switches her first and second husbands[353]. She married fourthly (before 1159, divorced 1163) as his first wife, Henri "l’Aveugle" Comte de Namur et de Luxembourg.
     "Comte Raoul [I] & his second wife had three children."
Med Lands cites:
[339] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 7, MGH SS XIII, p. 253.
[340] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber VII, IV, p. 480.
[341] Chronique de Robert de Torigny I, 1102, p. 124.
[342] Compiègne Saint-Corneille, Tome I, XXXIV, p. 70.
[343] Cluny, Tome V, 4070, p. 421.
[344] Chronique de Robert de Torigny I, 1152, p. 263.
[345] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Saint-Martin-des-Champs, p. 463.
[346] Kerrebrouck (2000), p. 539.
[347] Kerrebrouck (2000), pp. 539-40.
[348] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1152, MGH SS XXIII, p. 841.
[349] Historiæ Tornacenses IV.5, MGH SS XIV, p. 343.
[350] Chronique de Robert de Torigny I, 1152, p. 263.
[351] Guillaume de Nangis, pp. 18 and 24.
[352] Saintes Notre-Dame, XXIX, p. 36.
[353] Flandria Generosa 32, MGH SS IX, p. 324.8


; See entries on Wikipediad and Wikipédia (Fr.)21,22

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band II, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Page 13, 28.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/1:55.7


; Per Racines et Histoire (Vermandois et Valois): "Raoul 1er «Le Vaillant» ou «Le Grand» ou «Le Borgne» de Vermandois ° 1085 + 11/10/1152 (Crépy) comte de Vermandois, Valois (1124), Amiens et Crépy, seigneur de Péronne, Grand-Sénéchal de France (1133)
     ép. 1) 1120/25 (div.1142) Eléonore de Blois (fille d’Etienne, comte de Blois-Champagne)
     ép. 2) après 1142 (~1148) Alix (alias Adélaïde ou Péronnelle) d’Aquitaine °~1125 + après 24/10/1151 (1152 ?) (fille de Guillaume, duc d’Aquitaine) > 3 enfants
     ép. ?3) 1152 Laurette de Lorraine (Flandres) ° 04/09/1132 + 1175 (fille de Thierri de Lorraine, comte de Flandres.)23"

; Per Racines et Histoire: "1) Aélis (Aélith, Péronelle) d’Aquitaine ° 1123/28 (1125 ?) + après 24/10/1151
ép. 1142 (div. ~1151) Raoul 1er «Le Vaillant», comte de Vermandois ° 1094 + 13/10/1152 (fils d’Hugues «Le Maisné» de France, comte de Vermandois, et d’Adélaïs,
comtesse de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy ; divorcé de la nièce de Thibaud de Champagne.)24"

; Raoul repudiated his wife, Eleonore, in order to marry Petronille. With the complaints of several bishops, the Pope excommunicates both Petronille and Raoul I on the pretext of consanguinity, and a Council in Lagny would condemn the prelates who assisted Raoul. King Louis VII de France takes strong exception to this action, and has his brother Robert de Dreux invade Champagne. The Pope promisses to lift the excommunication, but in 1143, Innocent II, would recant his promise and Louis VII would burn the town of Vitry which would then be renamed to Vitry-le-Brule. When Innocent II died on 23 September 1143, His successor Celestin II would lift the interdict and validate the marriage of Raoul I and Petronille.25
; Per Racines et Histoire (Flandres): "1) Lauretta de Flandres ° 1120 + 1170/75 (religieuse, Abbaye de Voorst près Bruxelles)
ép. 1) 22/09/1139 Iwan, graf van Aalst + 08/08/1145 (fils de Boudewijn II van Gent, et de Reinewif)
ép. 2) 1150 ou dès 1146 ? (div. 1152, consanguinité) Hendrik II van Limburg (Henri II, comte d’Arlon) + 08/1167 (Rome) (fils de Walram III, comte d’Arlon, graf van Limburg, duc de BasseLotharingie et de Jutta van Wassenburg dite «de Gueldres»)
ép. 3) 1152 Raoul 1er «Le Vaillant», comte de Vermandois ° 1094 + 13 ou 14/10/1152 Régent de France (1147) (fils d’Hugues «Le Maisné» de France, comte de Vermandois et d’Adélais comtesse de Vermandois, Valois & Crépy)
ép. 4) 1152/59 (div. 1163) Henri 1er «L’Aveugle» comte de Namur & de Luxembourg ° 1111 + 14/08/1196 (fils de Godefroi, comte de Namur et d’Ermesinde de Luxembourg.)26"
; Per Genealogy.EU: "Lauretta, +ca 1175; 1m: 22.9.1139 Ct Iwan van Aalst (+8.8.1145); 2m: ca 1150 (div 1152) Duke Henry II of Limburg (+1167); 3m: 1152 Cte Raoul I de Vermandois et de Valois (+1152); 4m: 1152/59 (div 1163) Henry IV "the Blind" (*1111 +1196), Ct of Namur and Luxemburg."15
; Per Med Lands:
     "LAURETTA de Flandre ([1120]-Abbaye de Voorst, near Brussels 1170). The Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin records that Count Thierry "ex priori uxore unicam tantum filiam habuit quam Ivanus de Alosto postea sortitus est in conjugium" but does not give her name[401]. The Flandria Generosa names "Laurentiam" as the only daughter of "comitissa etiam Suanildis", specifying that her marriage with "dux de Lemburg" was terminated on grounds of consanguinity, that she subsequently married "Iwanus de Alst", and after the latter's death "Rodulfo comiti Peronensi" and "comiti de Namur", although this report switches her first and second husbands[402]. "Iwanus de Gand…cum uxoris meæ Lauretæ filiæ Theoderici comitis" donated property to "Fratrum Trunciniensis ecclesiæ" near Gand by charter dated 22 Sep 1139[403]. She left her fourth husband before [1163] and refused to return to him despite being excommunicated by the bishop of Cambrai. She became a nun at Voorst: “Godefridus...dux et marchio Lotharingie” notified that “dominam Layrettam filiam comitis Theodorici” became a nun “in ecclesia Forestensi” and donated “allodium Gozwinii de Erpe, apud Anderlecht”, by charter dated 1173[404].
     "m firstly (before 22 Sep 1139) IWAN Graaf van Aalst, son of BOUDEWIJN [II] van Gent & his wife --- (-8 Aug 1145). The Annales Blandinienses record the death in 1144 of "Iwainus de Alst"[405].
     "m secondly ([1150], divorced 1152 for reasons of consanguinity) as his second wife, HENRI [II] Comte d'Arlon [HENDRIK II Duke of Limburg], son of WALERAN [III] Comte d'Arlon, Graaf van Limburg, Duke of Lower Lotharingia & his wife Jutta van Wassenburg (-Rome Aug 1167).
     "m thirdly (1152) as his third wife, RAOUL I "le Vaillant" Comte de Vermandois, son of HUGUES "le Maisné" de France Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adelais Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy ([1094]-13 Oct 1152, bur Priory of Saint-Arnoul de Crépy).
     "m fourthly ([1152/59], divorced 1163) as his first wife, HENRI "l’Aveugle" Comte de Namur et de Luxembourg, son of GODEFROI Comte de Namur & his wife Ermesinde de Luxembourg (1111-14 Aug 1196, bur Abbaye de Floreffe)."
Med Lands cites:
[402] Flandria Generosa 32, MGH SS IX, p. 324.
[403] Miraeus (Le Mire) (1723), Tome I, XCVI, p. 104.
[404] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VI (1869), p. 64.17
He was Comte de Vermandois between 1102 and 1152.21

Family 2

Aelis Petronelle (?) d'Aquitaine b. c 1125, d. a 24 Oct 1153
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Poitou 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/poitou/poitou1.html#G5
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet8.html#MR1
  3. [S1862] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 21 Jan 2005 email "Re: Thierry d'Alsace, Count of Flanders"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 Jan 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 21 Jan 2005."
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Blois-Champagne.pdf, p. 5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet8.html
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf, p. 8.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul I 'le Vaillant': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026294&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#RaoulIdied1152B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I Magnus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050023&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#HuguesIdied1102
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adélaïde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050024&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#EleonoreBloisdiedafter1148
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Petronella|Alix de Poitou: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020906&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AQUITAINE.htm#AelisPetronilledied1153
  15. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, Chapter 1. HEEREN van AALST: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc111525106
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLANDERS,%20HAINAUT.htm#Laurettedied1175.
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lauretta of Flanders: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026304&tree=LEO
  19. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 11 October 2020), memorial page for Raoul I de Vermandois (1094–1 Oct 1152), Find a Grave Memorial no. 103488072, citing Abbaye Saint Arnoul, Crepy-en-Valois, Departement de l'Oise, Picardie, France; Maintained by Lutetia (contributor 46580078), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/103488072/raoul_i-de_vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  20. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Blois & Chartres (Blois-Champagne), p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Blois-Champagne.pdf
  21. [S1593] Kelsey J. Williams, "Williams email 24 Feb 2004 "Re: Kuman lines into European( and other )Royalty"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 16 Feb 2004, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_I,_Count_of_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as "Williams email 16 Feb 2004."
  22. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Raoul Ier de Vermandois: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Ier_de_Vermandois. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  23. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois, Valois & Vexin, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf
  24. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Ducs d’Aquitaine & Comtes de Poitou, p. 12: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aquitaine-Poitou.pdf
  25. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Poitou Notes page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/poitou/note.html
  26. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Flandre(s) Vlaanderen, p. 8: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf
  27. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabelle de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026293&tree=LEO
  28. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf, p. 9.
  29. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026295&tree=LEO
  30. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#RaoulIIdied1167
  31. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet8.html#ER1
  32. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleonore de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050030&tree=LEO
  33. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Beaumont-sur-Oise, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Beaumont-sur-Oise.pdf
  34. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vermandois Valois & Vexin & Chaumont-en-Vexin, Ham, Saint-Simon, Sohier-Walincourt, & Fontaine-lès-Gobert, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Vermandois-Valois-Vexin.pdf
  35. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Eleonorediedafter1222

Guillaume de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1

M, #56103, b. 1120, d. circa 1151
FatherAimery V/VI de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1,2,3 b. c 1095, d. 1127
MotherAgnès/Mathilde (?) de Poitou, Queen Consort of Aragon1,4 b. 1103, d. c 8 Mar 1159
Last Edited25 Nov 2019
     Guillaume de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars married Aumou de Mareuil.1 Guillaume de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars was born in 1120.5
Guillaume de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars died circa 1151; Genealogics says d. 1139, but Genealogy.EU and Find A Grave say d. 1151.1,5,3
Guillaume de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars was buried circa 1151 at Fontevraud Abbey, Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France,

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1120
     DEATH     1151 (aged 30–31)
     Nobility. Born the eldest son of Aimery V de Thouars and Agnes de Poitiers. He succeeded his father in 1127 as Vicomte de Thouars. In 1147 he participated in the crusade of Louis VII and returned to his territories two years later. His marriage to Aumou de Mareuil stayed childless and he was succeeded by his brother Geoffrey.
     BURIAL     Fontevraud Abbey, Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
     Created by: Lutetia
     Added: 17 Aug 2013
     Find A Grave Memorial 115624842.5
     Reference: Genealogics cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 187.3

; Per Med Lands: " GUILLAUME (-before 1151, bur Fontevrault). His parentage is deduced from Robert of Torigny naming "Mathildem matrem Willermi vicecomitis Toarci" when recording the second marriage of Guillaume's mother[1191], although charters refer to her as Agnes. A fragmentary chronicle of the dukes of Aquitaine names "Willelmum Vicecomitem" as son of "Mahauda Aimerico Vicecomiti de Thoario"[1192]. An undated charter of "Willelmus vicecomes Toarcii" records his donation to the abbey of l'Absie with the consent of "fratre meo Widone"[1193]. Vicomte de Thouars. "Aimericus Arberti filius Thoarcensium vicecomes", sensing the end of his life, requested burial at Saint-Jouin-de-Marnes and donated harvest to the abbey, notifying his appointed heir “Guillelmus cognatus meus”, by charter dated 1139[1194]. "Guillelmus Toarcensium vicecomes, qui Aimerico Arberti filio successi" confirmed the donation of harvest to Saint-Jouin-de-Marnes, which he had made “adhuc puerulus” with the consent of “matris mee Agnetis et avunculi mei Guillelmi...ducis Aquitanie” when “pater meus” was buried at the abbey, together with “fratres mei Guido et Goffredus” by charter dated 1139[1195]. Vicomte Guillaume and “Guillaume de Voluire et Arcé de Mareuil” donated property at Poiré de Curzon to Boisgrolland abbey by charter dated to [1149][1196]."
Med Lands cites:
[1191] Chronique de Robert de Torigny I, 1159, p. 318.
[1192] Ex Fragmentis Chronicorum Comitum Pictaviæ, Ducum Aquitaniæ, RHGF, Tome XII, p. 409.
[1193] Absie, Premier cartulaire, 403, p. 59.
[1194] Saint-Jouin-de-Marnes, p. 33.
[1195] Saint-Jouin-de-Marnes, p. 34.
[1196] Imbert ‘Vicomtes de Thouars’ (1865), p. 364, citing ‘D. Fonteneau, t. I, p. 403’.6

Family

Aumou de Mareuil

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aimery VI: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020891&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020892&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès (Mathilde) de Poitou: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020533&tree=LEO
  5. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 24 November 2019), memorial page for Guillaume de Thouars (1120–1151), Find A Grave Memorial no. 115624842, citing Fontevraud Abbey, Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France ; Maintained by Lutetia (contributor 46580078), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115624842/guillaume-de_thouars. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#HuguesIThouarsdied1229. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Guy de Thouars1

M, #56105
FatherAimery V/VI de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 b. c 1095, d. 1127
MotherAgnès/Mathilde (?) de Poitou, Queen Consort of Aragon1 b. 1103, d. c 8 Mar 1159
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Guy de Thouars married Jeanne Bouchard Dame de Beaufort circa 1140.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Jeanne Bouchard Dame de Beaufort1

F, #56106
Last Edited24 Mar 2004
     Jeanne Bouchard Dame de Beaufort married Guy de Thouars, son of Aimery V/VI de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars and Agnès/Mathilde (?) de Poitou, Queen Consort of Aragon, circa 1140.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Albert de Thouars1

M, #56107
FatherAimery V/VI de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 b. c 1095, d. 1127
MotherAgnès/Mathilde (?) de Poitou, Queen Consort of Aragon1 b. 1103, d. c 8 Mar 1159
Last Edited14 Jun 2003

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Geoffroy III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1,2

M, #56108, b. 1040, d. after 1123
FatherAimery IV de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1,2 b. 1015, d. 1093
MotherArengarde de Mauleon3,4,2 b. c 1030, d. 1069
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited9 Nov 2020
     Geoffroy III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars was born in 1040.1,2 He married Ameline (?)1,5,2
Geoffroy III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars died after 1123.1,2
     EDV-27.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 810.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141508&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page (Thouars Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arengarde de Mauléon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141491&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ameline: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141509&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aimery VI: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020891&tree=LEO

Ameline (?)1,2

F, #56109
Last Edited19 Oct 2020
     Ameline (?) married Geoffroy III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars, son of Aimery IV de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars and Arengarde de Mauleon.1,2,3
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 810.2 Ameline (?) was living in 1106.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ameline: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141509&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141508&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aimery VI: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020891&tree=LEO

Aimery III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1

M, #56110, d. circa 1000
FatherArbert/Herbert I de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1,2 d. b Jan 987
MotherAldéarde (?) d'Aulnay1,2 d. 1020
Last Edited19 May 2020
     Aimery III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars married Elvis (?)1 Aimery III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars married Melisende (?)1
Aimery III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars died circa 1000.1

Family 1

Melisende (?)

Family 2

Elvis (?)

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#ArbertIThouarsdied987B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Geoffroy I de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1

M, #56111, d. after 876
ReferenceGAV31
Last Edited20 Oct 2004
     Geoffroy I de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars died after 876.2
     GAV-31.

; The earliest ancestor of the family de Thouars was probably one Geoffroy I, Vcte de Thouars (fl 876) who was probably father of three sons.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page - Thouars family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html

Savary I de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1

M, #56112
FatherGeoffroy I de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 d. a 876
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Savary I de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars was living between 903 and 926.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Adhemar de Thouars Abbot of Saint Maixent and Redon1

M, #56113
FatherGeoffroy I de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 d. a 876
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Adhemar de Thouars Abbot of Saint Maixent and Redon was living between 903 and 925.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Savary II de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1

M, #56114
FatherAimery I de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 d. a 935
MotherAremburge (?)1
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Savary II de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars was living in 955.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Savary de Thouars1

M, #56115
FatherAimery II de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 d. bt 956 - 960
MotherAlienor or Hardouine (?)1 d. a 955
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Savary de Thouars was living in 993.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Guionne de Thouars1

M, #56116, d. 991
FatherAimery II de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 d. bt 956 - 960
MotherAlienor or Hardouine (?)1 d. a 955
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Guionne de Thouars married Jean de Sauzay.1
Guionne de Thouars died in 991.1
     ; exact parentage not proven.1

Family

Jean de Sauzay

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Bernard Guillaume IV de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier1,2

M, #56118, d. circa 1085
FatherGuilhem II de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier4,5,2 b. c 1005, d. 1058
MotherBeliarde (?)3,2
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Bernard Guillaume IV de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier married Ermengarde (?) de Melgueil, daughter of Raymond I de Melgueil Comte de Melgueil and Beatrix (?) de Poitou/d'Aquitaine; her 1st husband.6,7,2
Bernard Guillaume IV de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier died circa 1085.2
     Reference: Gnealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 445.8 EDV-27. Bernard Guillaume IV de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier was also known as Bernard Guilhem IV de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier.2,9 Bernard Guillaume IV de Montpellier Seigneur de Montpellier was also known as Guillem III/IV Sire de Montpellier.6,9,1

; Per Med Lands:
     "BERNARD GUILLAUME [IV] de Montpellier (-[1085]). 1058/1068.
     "m as her first husband, ERMENGARDE, daughter of (-[1109]). Her son by her first marriage is named "Guillelmus filius Ermengardæ dominus Montispessulani" in a charter dated 1093[758]. The primary source which confirms her family origin has not been identified. She is often stated to be Ermengarde de Melgueil, daughter of Raymond [I] Comte de Melgueil & his wife Beatrix [de Poitou]. The documentation on which this is based has not been identified and it seems unlikely to be correct considering that her son Guillaume [V] Seigneur de Montpellier would have been betrothed to his first cousin for which a Papal dispensation would be unlikely to be granted at that time. She married secondly --- [d'Anduze]. This person’s possible identity is discussed in the document TOULOUSE - NORTHERN & EASTERN. The marriage is confirmed by the testament dated 1114 made “pergens contra paganos ad expugnandam Majoricam insulam”, by her son “Guillelmus Montipessulani” which bequeathed “castellum d’Omelas” to “Bernardo de Andusia fratri meo et infantibus suis”[759]. Europäische Stammtafeln interprets this strangely as meaning that Bernard was the son of Bernard Guillaume [IV][760]."
Med Lands cites:
[758] D'Aigrefeuille Histoire de Montpellier, p. 13, which gives no citation for the charter in question.
[759] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 2nd Edn. Tome IV, Preuves, XXVI, p. 361, and 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 450, col. 841.
[760] ES III 445.1

; NB: Genealogics and Med Lands differ on the descent of the Seigneurs de Montpelier from Guillem/Guillaume I.
     I. Genealogics shows:
I.1 Guillem I de Montpellier b. Est 950 d. 1019
-->I.2 Guillem II de Montpellier
-->I.3 Guillem III, Sire de Montpellier b. Est 1005 d. 1058 m. Beliarde
-->I.4 Guillem IV, Sire de Montpellier b. Est 1028 d. 1068 m. Ermengarde de Melgueil
-->I.5 Guillem V, Sire de Montpellier b. Abt 1075 d. Bef 21 Feb 1122


     II. Med Lands shows:
II.1 Guillaume I, Seigneur de Montpellier b. 955 d. 1024
-->II.2.1 Berenger/Bernard
-->II.2.2 Guillaume II [Bernard] de Montpellier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. bef 1059 m. Beliarde
-->II.3 Guillaume III de Montpellier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. aft 10689
(Unassigned) II.4 Bernard Guillaume IV de Montpelier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. 1085 m (unlikely) Ermengarde de Melgueil (Med Lands states: "He was the brother of Guillaume III according to Duhamel-Amado[755] and Baumel[756], but his son according to Settipani[757]."
-->II.5 Guillaume V de Montpellier, Seigneur de Montpellier b. unk d. Bef 21 Feb 1122, betrothed NN de Melgueil; m. Ermesende
Med Lands cites (for II.4 Bernard Guillaume IV):
     [755] Duhamel-Amado (2001), p. 262. [J.-C. Chuat]
[756] Baumel (1980), p. 56. [J.-C. Chuat]
[757] Settipani (1988), p. 48, and Settipani (2004), p. 143 footnote 3.

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     III. Wikipédia (FR) - Liste des seigneurs de Montpellier offers the following (dates are for reigns, not necessarily birth and death, though the end of a reign usually coincided with an individual's death)
III.1 Guilhem I de Montpellier 985 - ca 1025
III.2. Bérenger/Bernard de Montpellier
-->III.2. Guilhem II de Montpellier, ca 1025 - ca 1059, nephew of the Guilhem I, son of Bérenger (or Bernard) de Montpellier
-->III.3.1 Guilhem III de Montpellier, ca 1059 - ca 1068, son of the Guilhem II
-->III.3.2 Bernard Guilhem IV de Montpellier, ca 1068 - 1085, brother of Guilhem III
-->III.4 Guilhem V de Montpellier,1085 - 1122, son of Guilhem IV


     IV. H&T offer an extensive and well-documented analysis of the verious hypotheses regarding this line and conclude that the most commonly espoused hypothesis shows (see attached image of the diagram from the H&T website):
Siblings:
IV.1.1 Berenger
IV.1.2 Guilhem I [Bernard] de Montpellier m. Chimberge
IV.1.3 Trudgarde b. 960 d. bef 1022 m. Bernard (it is unclear whether Trudgarde or Bernard was the sibling of the other two)
-->IV.2 Guilhem II Bernard m. Beliarde (H&T state: "Guilhem I n’ayant probablement pas eu d’enfant adopte celui de Tudgarde, le fameux Guilhem II Bernard." (Guillem I probably not having children, adopted that of Trudgard, the famous Gillhem II Bernard." [translation by GA Vaut]
-->IV.3 Guilhem III Bernard m. Ermengarde de Narbonne
-->IV.4 Guilhem IV b. 1073 d. 1122 m. Ermessinde


Conclusion:
I tend to be swayed by the arguments of Settipani and therefore have adopted the lineage as outlined by Genealogics for Guillem/Guillaume IV and V (father/son). This leaves unanswered the question of whether Guillem/Guillaume II was the son of Guillem/Guillaume I (per Genealogics) or of one of his siblings, Bernard/Berenger (per Med Lands) or Trugarde & Bernard (per H&T). Med Lands, Wikipédia (FR), and H&T disagree with the Genealogics descent, showing Guillaume/Guilhem/Guillem II not as the son of Guillaume/Guilhem/Guillem I, but rather of his sibling, named variously Bernard, Berenger or Bernard/Berenger. For now, I have also adopted H&T's lineage, but continue to search for other information. GA Vaut.10,11,12,9,13 He was living in 1058.6 He was Seigneur de Montpellier between 1068 and 1085.2,12

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#GuillaumeIVMontpellier. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Bernard Guilhem IV de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Guilhem_IV_de_Montpellier. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beliarde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120685&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120684&tree=LEO
  5. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guilhem II de Montpellier:.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120686&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde de Melgueil: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120687&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120686&tree=LEO
  9. [S4792] Hélène et Thierry Site Internet: Généalogie familiale, Généalogie moyen-âgeuse, documentation, online <http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/>, Aux origines des Guilhem de Montpellier: http://thierryhelene.bianco.free.fr/drupal/?q=node/58. Hereinafter cited as H&T Site Internet.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/descendtext.php?personID=I00521883&tree=LEO&display=block&generations=5
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc496685206
  12. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des seigneurs de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_seigneurs_de_Montpellier
  13. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 26 Sep 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  14. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guilhem V de Montpellier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilhem_V_de_Montpellier
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillem V: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120689&tree=LEO
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE%20NOBILITY.htm#GuillaumeVMontpellierdied1122B

Herbert de Thouars1

M, #56121, d. circa 1000
FatherAimery III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 d. c 1000
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Herbert de Thouars died circa 1000.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Emmo de Thouars1

M, #56122
FatherAimery III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 d. c 1000
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Emmo de Thouars was living in 1010.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Aimery de Thouars1

M, #56123
FatherAimery III de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 d. c 1000
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Aimery de Thouars was living in 1010.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Savary IV de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1

M, #56124
FatherGeoffroi II de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 b. c 985, d. Apr 1043
MotherAenor (?)1 b. 989
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Savary IV de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars was living in 1093.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Basile de Thouars1

M, #56125
FatherSavary IV de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1
Last Edited14 Jun 2003

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Geoffroy de Thouars1

M, #56126
FatherSavary IV de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1
Last Edited14 Jun 2003

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Raoul de Thouars1

M, #56127
FatherGeoffroi II de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 b. c 985, d. Apr 1043
MotherAenor (?)1 b. 989
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Raoul de Thouars was living in 1093.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Geoffroy de Thouars1

M, #56128
FatherGeoffroi II de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 b. c 985, d. Apr 1043
MotherAenor (?)1 b. 989
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Geoffroy de Thouars was living in 1056.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Gognore de Thouars1

M, #56129
FatherGeoffroi II de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 b. c 985, d. Apr 1043
MotherAenor (?)1 b. 989
Last Edited14 Jun 2003
     Gognore de Thouars was living in 1093.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6

Aimery de Thouars1

M, #56130
FatherAimery IV de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars1 b. 1015, d. 1093
MotherArengarde de Mauleon2 b. c 1030, d. 1069
Last Edited4 Apr 2004
     Aimery de Thouars was living before 1090.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html#A6
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 1 page (Thouars Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars1.html