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     William de Clifford was born before 1175.¹
William de Clifford died after 1193.¹

     Richard Fitz Pons married Maud Fitz Walter, daughter of Walter Fitz Roger of Gloucester.¹
Richard Fitz Pons was born circa 1080.¹
     GAV-24 EDV-25 GKJ-24.

     Maud Fitz Walter married Richard Fitz Pons, son of Pons (Poinz) (?).¹
Maud Fitz Walter was born circa 1084.¹
     GAV-24 EDV-25 GKJ-24.

      ; SIMON FITZPONS, gave his demesne tithe of Swell, Glos, to Tewkesbury Abbey, temp. Simon, Bp Worcester (1125-50); m and had issue.³

     Berta de Clifford married Elias II Giffard Lord of Brimpsfield, son of Elias/Elis I Giffard Lord of Brimpsfield, circa 1127.^1,3,2,4

     EDV-25 GKJ-24.

     Elias II Giffard Lord of Brimpsfield was born circa 1090.^5,3 He married Berta de Clifford, daughter of Richard Fitz Pons and Maud Fitz Walter, circa 1127.^1,5,6,3

Elias II Giffard Lord of Brimpsfield died between 1159 and 1160; Burke's says "d ca. 1165/6"; Boyer [2001:105] says d. 1159/60.^5,6,3
     Elias II Giffard Lord of Brimpsfield lived at Brimsfield, Gloucestershire, England.⁷

; ELIAS GIFFARD, Ld of Brimsfield, rendered account 1130-31 of 100 marks of silver for the relief upon his f's land (Pipe Roll, 31 Hen. I, Glos), rendered account of 25 marks scutage for his 12½ kts.' fees (Pipe Roll, 7 Henry II Wilts; Red Book of the Exchequer, 7 Henry II, Wilts, fo. 50d), gave the church of Boyton and the land of Craneham to the monastery of St Peter of Gloucester, of which he apparently became a monk towards the close of his life; m. ca. 1127, Berta (d his widow), dau of Richard fitz Pons, and sis of Walter de Clifford (Round's Ancient Charters) (with the consent of her husband and her est s, Elias, Berta granted one-half of the manor of Ullingwike, Herefordshire, which manor had been the gift of her f on her marriage, to the church of St Peter of Gloucester, and her bro, Walter de Clifford, with the consent of his est s, Walter, confirmed the grant), and d ca. 1165/6, leaving issue.⁶

Reference: Genealogics cites: Burke's Landed Gentry. 881.³

;
Per Genealogics: "He gave the church of Boyton, Wiltshire, and other property to the Abbey of Gloucester, of which he ultimately became a monk."³ EDV-25 GKJ-24. He was monk at Gloucester Abbey in 1159.⁵

      ; a churchman, was in 1142 presented to the Bishopric of Durham, but failing to get consent of the chapter held it by force for more than three years, when hi nephew William was slain; he retired to Scotland and served King David I as Chancellor.¹

     Maud Banaster (Basset) married William Comyn, son of John Comyn.¹
Maud Banaster (Basset) married William de Hastings, son of Hugh de Hastings Lord of Fillongley and Erneburga de Flamville, in 1140.^1,3

Maud Banaster (Basset) died before 17 June 1222.²
     GAV-23 EDV-22 GKJ-25.

; Per Med Lands:
     "WILLIAM [II] de Hastings, son of HUGH de Hastings & his wife Erneburga --- (-1182 or before). [The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Willelmo de Hastinges vi m" in Warwick in [1158/59][627]. This entry apparently relates to a different Hastings family[628].] A charter of Henry II King of England confirmed to "William de Hastings" his paternal and maternal heritage, naming "William de Hastings grandfather, Hugh de Hastings father…Erneburga de Flamville mother"[629]. Steward of Bury St Edmund’s. A charter of Henry II King of England dated to [1165/66] confirmed to "William de Hastyngs dispensatori" the "dapiferatum" of St Edmund’s which had belonged to "Ralph patruus"[630]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Willelmus de Hastinges" held one third of one knight’s fee from "Willelmi comitis Gloucestriæ" in Gloucestershire[631]. "…Willelmo de Hastingis…" subscribed the charter dated 1168 under which Henry II King of England confirmed the property "in manerio de Hinton" of "Roberto de Basoges" granted to him by "comes Conanus"[632]. Steward to Henry II King of England.
     "m MATILDA, daughter of THURSTAN Banaster & his wife --- (-before 17 Jun 1222). "William of Hastings" made a fine for "his relief of…land…in Aston, which Matilda Banaster, mother of the aforesaid William, held of the king in chief" in Shropshire, dated 17 Jun 1222[633]."
Med Lands cites:

     GAV-24 EDV-23 GKJ-26.

     William de Hastings was born circa 1130 at Fillongley, Warwickshire, England.⁶ He married Maud Banaster (Basset), daughter of Thurstan Banaster (Basset), in 1140.^1,2
William de Hastings married Ida d'Eu, daughter of Henri I d'Eu Comte d'Eu, Lord Hastings and Marguerite de Sully, in 1160.^6,7,8,2

William de Hastings died on 1 April 1182.⁶
     Reference: Genealogics cites: A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 266.² GAV-24 EDV-22 GKJ-26.

; Per Med Lands:
     "WILLIAM [II] de Hastings, son of HUGH de Hastings & his wife Erneburga --- (-1182 or before). [The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Willelmo de Hastinges vi m" in Warwick in [1158/59][627]. This entry apparently relates to a different Hastings family[628].] A charter of Henry II King of England confirmed to "William de Hastings" his paternal and maternal heritage, naming "William de Hastings grandfather, Hugh de Hastings father…Erneburga de Flamville mother"[629]. Steward of Bury St Edmund’s. A charter of Henry II King of England dated to [1165/66] confirmed to "William de Hastyngs dispensatori" the "dapiferatum" of St Edmund’s which had belonged to "Ralph patruus"[630]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Willelmus de Hastinges" held one third of one knight’s fee from "Willelmi comitis Gloucestriæ" in Gloucestershire[631]. "…Willelmo de Hastingis…" subscribed the charter dated 1168 under which Henry II King of England confirmed the property "in manerio de Hinton" of "Roberto de Basoges" granted to him by "comes Conanus"[632]. Steward to Henry II King of England.
     "m MATILDA, daughter of THURSTAN Banaster & his wife --- (-before 17 Jun 1222). "William of Hastings" made a fine for "his relief of…land…in Aston, which Matilda Banaster, mother of the aforesaid William, held of the king in chief" in Shropshire, dated 17 Jun 1222[633]."
Med Lands cites:

     William Comyn died in 1142; killed while assisting his uncle William.¹

     Malcolm mac Madadh (?) 2nd Earl of Atholl was born circa 1120.⁵ He married Hextilda (?) of Tynedale, daughter of Uhtred (?) of Tynedale and Bethóc (?), in 1182
;
His 2nd wife; her 2nd husband; Med Lands says m. aft 1179.^1,4,8,9,10
Malcolm mac Madadh (?) 2nd Earl of Atholl died before 24 October 1198; Genealogics says d. "1194/24 Aug 1198."^2,5
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "[HEXTILDA of Tynedale . The proofs relating to the claim to the Scottish throne in 1291 made by "dñi Johannis Comyn" name "Hextilde" as daughter and heiress of "Gothrik", son of "Dovenald filius Duncani filii Erici", and "Willelmo" as her son and heir[297]. “R. Cumin” donated property to Hexham Priory, with the consent of “uxoris meæ Hextildis”, by undated charter which names “fratrem meum Walterum”[298]. "Ric Cymyn" donated "ecclesiam de Lyntunruderie" to Kelso monastery, for the souls of "Henrici comitis dni mei et…Johis filii mei quorum corpa apud eos tumulant", by charter dated to [1160], witnessed by "Hextild sponsa mea, Od filio meo…"[299]. "Ricardus Cumin" donated [Slapfeld] to Holyrood Abbey, with the consent of "Hestild uxoris mee et heredum meorum", by charter dated to [1166] witnessed by "…Odinello et Simone filiis meis…"[300]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which “Hextildis comitissa de Eththetela” donated property to Rievall Abbey, for the soul of “domini mei Richardi Cumin”[301]. "Malcolmus comes de Athoil" donated "ecclesiam de Dul" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif, Hextilda comitissa sponsa mea…Henrico et Dunecano filiis meis…"[302]. The Liber Vitæ of Durham lists (in order) "Hextild, Willelmus, Odenellus, Simon, Ricardus Cumin…", and in a later passage "Malcolmus filius Mal. et comes Athodlie, Hextilda filia Ucthredi uxor eius…"[303].
     "m firstly ([1144/50]) RICHARD Comyn, son of --- Cumin [Comyn] & his wife --- (-[1179]).
     "m secondly (after 1179) as his second wife, her second cousin, MALCOLM Earl of Atholl, son of MADDAD Earl of Atholl & his first wife --- (-[1186/Aug 1198]).]"
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "MALCOLM, son of [MADDAD Earl of Atholl & his [first wife] ---] (-[1186/Aug 1198]). His parentage is confirmed by the Liber Vitæ of Durham, as corrected by Balfour Paul (see below). Earl of Atholl. "Malcolmus comes Atholie…sponsa mea E. comitissa" donated "ecclesiam de Molin" to Dunfermline monastery by undated charter witnessed by "…H filio meo…"[158]. "…Comite Duncano, Gillebrid comite de Anegus, M. comite de Ethoel, Gillecrist comite de Meneteth, Gillberto filio comitis Ferteth, Merlefwano Adam filio comitis de Anegus…" witnessed the charter dated 1164 under which "Malcolmus rex Scottorum" confirmed the foundation of Scone abbey[159]. "…Malcolmo comite de Athewethle…" witnessed the undated charter, dated to after [1170], under which William King of Scotland confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam de Sconin" to St Andrew’s priory[160]. William King of Scotland confirmed the donation of "ecclesia de Login" made to Scone Abbey by "Malcolmus comes Atholie" by undated charter[161]. "Malcolmi comitis Atholie" donated property to Cupar abbey by undated charter, witnessed by "Henrico filio comitis, Malcolmo et Dunecano fratribus eius…"[162]. "Malcolmus comes de Athoil" donated "ecclesiam de Dul" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif, Hextilda comitissa sponsa mea…Henrico et Dunecano filiis meis…"[163]. The Liber Vitæ of Durham lists (in order) "Malcolmus filius Mal. et comes Athodlie, Hextilda filia Ucthredi uxor eius, Simon filius eius, Henricus filius eius, Dunecanus frater eius, Bedoch soror eius, Kelethaoni filius eius, Cristina soror eius, Margareta soror eius, Constantinus nepos eius…"[164]. Balfour Paul corrects the first name in the list to "Malcolmus filius Madi. comes Athodlie" after comparing the printed version to "a fine autotype of folio 60…lent by Sir Archibald Hamilton Dunbar of Northfield"[165].
     "m firstly [E---], daughter of ---. "Malcolmus comes Atholie…sponsa mea E. comitissa" donated "ecclesiam de Molin" to Dunfermline monastery by undated charter witnessed by "…H filio meo…"[166]. It is not certain that this document refers to Earl Malcolm’s first wife. "E" could also be an abbreviation which refers to his second wife "[H]extilda".
     "m secondly (after 1179) as her second husband, HEXTILDA of Tynedale, widow of RICHARD Comyn, daughter of [UHTRED Lord of Tynedale & his wife Bethoc of Scotland]. The proofs relating to the claim to the Scottish throne in 1291 made by "dñi Johannis Comyn" name "Hextilde" as daughter and heiress of "Gothrik", son of "Dovenald filius Duncani filii Erici", and "Willelmo" as her son and heir[167]. However, in the Great Roll, John Comyn traced his descent from Bethoc, daughter and heiress of Donald[168]. This conflict in the claimant’s genealogy is suspicious. In any case, the chronology for Hextilda’s supposed descent from King Donald Bane is stretched to the limit of credibility. It is suggested that the supposed parentage of Hextilda should be treated with caution. “R. Cumin” donated property to Hexham Priory, with the consent of “uxoris meæ Hextildis”, by undated charter which names “fratrem meum Walterum”[169]. "Ric Cymyn" donated "ecclesiam de Lyntunruderie" to Kelso monastery, for the souls of "Henrici comitis dni mei et…Johis filii mei quorum corpa apud eos tumulant", by charter dated to [1160], witnessed by "Hextild sponsa mea, Od filio meo…"[170]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which “Hextildis comitissa de Eththetela” donated property to Rievall Abbey, for the soul of “domini mei Richardi Cumin”[171]. "Malcolmus comes de Athoil" donated "ecclesiam de Dul" to St Andrew’s priory by undated charter witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif, Hextilda comitissa sponsa mea…Henrico et Dunecano filiis meis…"[172]. The Liber Vitæ of Durham lists (in order) "Hextild, Willelmus, Odenellus, Simon, Ricardus Cumin…", and in a later passage "Malcolmus filius Mal. et comes Athodlie, Hextilda filia Ucthredi uxor eius…"[173].
     "Earl Malcolm & his first wife had [eight] children"
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogics: "Malcolm was the son of Madach, 1st earl of Atholl. The name of his first wife has not survived but they were the parents of at least four sons. Malcolm's second wife was Hextilda of Tynedale, widow of Richard Comyn, lord of Tynedale, and daughter of Uchtred of Tynedale and Bethóc who was a daughter of Donald III Bane, king of Scots. In 1154 he was acknowledged as earl of Atholl and, circa 1178, granted the Church of Moulin to the Abbey of Dunfermline. He died between 1194 and 24 August 1198."⁵

Reference: Genealogics cites: Burke's Landed Gentry. 1925.⁵ GAV-24. He was 2nd Earl of Athol.²

; Per Burke's: "MALCOLM, 2ND EARL OF ATHOL, who is named Earl is a charter 1154 by MALCOLM IV to the monks of Dunfermline, and as Earl of Atholl in a charter 1161-2 by the Bp St Andrews. By his first wife he had issue, a s, HENRY, 3rd Earl. He m 2nd, Hextilda, dau of Uchtred and widow of Richard Comyn. His Lordship d before 24 Oct 1198, and was succeeded by his son."²

     John Comyn was buried before 1159 at St. Mary of Kelso, England.¹
John Comyn died before 1159.¹

     David Comyn married Isabel de Valoins, daughter of Sir William de Valognes of Panmure, co. Forfar, Earl of Essex and Lorette de Quincy.^1,2

David Comyn died before 7 August 1247.¹

     Isabel de Valoins married David Comyn, son of Richard Comyn of Northallerton & Badenoch, Lord of Tynedale and Hextilda (?) of Tynedale.^2,1

Isabel de Valoins died in 1253.¹
      ; Sources cited by Ravillious in his 23 May 2004 email:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, Jr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).
3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.
7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).
8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.
13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), and others.¹

; Isabel de Valoins - Death:     1253[1], coheiress of parents, and of cousin Gunnora de Valoins (Sanders, pp. 12-13)[1]

Spouse:     David Comyn

Children:     William (-1283) Comyn of Kilbride, Lanark.

Sources:
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.¹ Isabel de Valoins was also known as Isabella de Valloniis.²

     Margaret (?) de Lorraine married Gui de Dampierre Count of Seeland, son of Guy II de Dampierre Graaf van Vlaanderen, Graaf van Namen and Isabelle (?) de Luxemburg, Heiress of Namur, circa 1311
; her 1st husband.^3,1,2 Margaret (?) de Lorraine married Ludwig (?) Graf von Loos und Chiney in 1313
; her 2nd husband.^1,2
Margaret (?) de Lorraine died between 1348 and 1349; Racines et Histoire says d entre 17/03/1344 et 25/09/1349.^1,2
      ; Margaret, +1348/49; 1m: ca 1311 Guy de Dampierre, Ct of Seeland (+1311); 2m: 1313 Ludwig Gf von Loos und Chiney (+1336.)¹

     Idonea Comyn married Sir Adam Fitz Gilbert, son of Gilbert fitz Richer of Tarbolton and Juliana de Soulis.¹

      ; per Ravilious: Idonea Comyn.[34]

'Edena' or 'Edeva', benefactor of the church of St.
Cuthbert, Durham (Liber Vitae, vol. 13 p. 100) bef Aug 1198[35]

" Ade fil Gilberti cu[m] ydonia sorore mea ", had
charter of her brother William Comyn, earl of Buchan
of the lands of Blith and 'Ingolneston' in free
marriage [Reg. Honoris de Morton II:4-5, no. 5[6]]

a note concerning her niece Idonea, wife of Gilbert de
Hay, states,
' She was evidently named after Idonea, her father's
sister (omitted under Badenoch), to whom Earl William,
soon after he became Earl, gave a grant of the lands
of Blyth, Ingraston, and the Haugh (Spittalhaugh) in
Linton Parish, Peebles. The elder Idonea married Sir
Adam Fitz Gilbert, and had issue a daughter,
Christian. ' [SP II:253, sub Comyn, Earl of Buchan[1]⁸,
cites 'Registrum Honoris de Morton, ii. 4; Origines
Parochiales, i. 189.']

     Sir Adam Fitz Gilbert married Idonea Comyn, daughter of Richard Comyn of Northallerton & Badenoch, Lord of Tynedale and Hextilda (?) of Tynedale.¹

      ; per Ravilious: Adam fitz Gilbert.[34]

of Kilbucho, co. Peebles. and Hutton in Dryfesdale, Galloway

a royal justiciar

" Ade fil Gilberti cu[m] ydonia sorore mea ", had charter
of her brother William Comyn, earl of Buchan of the lands
of Blith and 'Ingolneston' in free marriage [Reg.
Honoris de Morton II:4-5, no. 5[6]]

"Ad. fil Gill'bt", witness to charter of Alexander II
to Melrose priory, dated at Edinburgh on 2 October
[1214x1234, Alan lord of Galloway a witness], confirming
gifts by Duncan fitz Gilbert and others. Witnessed by
William, bishop of St. Andrews, William de Bosco,
chancellor, Earl Patrick, Earl Malcolm of Fife,
William Comyn, earl of Buchan, Alan fitz Roland
the Constable, Philip de Moubray, Walter Olifard,
Adam fitz Gilbert ("Ad. fil Gill'bt"), Ingram de
Baliol, Alexander, sheriff of Stirling, Walter de
Lindsay and John de Maxwell
[ Melrose Chart. I:166-7, no. 184[28]]

re: Adam and his relationships, Stringer wrote:
' Adam son of Gilbert, who also held Tarbolton in Kyle
under the Stewarts and Hutton in Dryfesdale under his
Levington kinsmen, was the brother-in-law of William
Comyn, earl of Buchan, the father-in-law of Henry de
Graham, lord of Dalkeith, and the uncle of both David
de la Hay, lord of Errol, and Master Gamelin, future
chancellor of Scotland and bishop of St. Andrews. '
[Stringer, Periphery and Core, p. 100[24]]

concerning his parentage, the author of the SP article re:
Hay, Earl of Erroll wrote in re: David de Hay,
' Sir James Balfour has preserved a note of a grant of the
lands of Flemingstoun by Adam, son of Gilbert, to David
de Haya, his nephew, which was confirmed by Alexander II.
in 1224.' [SP III:557, note (4)[1] of which states,
"Harl. MS. 4693, fol. 33. If the statement that the
mother of William de Hay was Juliana de Soulis can be
trusted, it may be that he and Adam, son of Gilbert,
were uterine brothers. See Regist. Glasg., i. 72." ]

Adam married Idonea Comyn[34].⁴

; Saturday, 9 June, 2007


Hello All,

In his 1993 article on Alan of Galloway, Keith Stringer
provided the following concerning Adam fitz Gilbert,
brother-in-law of William Comyn, earl of Buchan (d. 1233):

' Adam son of Gilbert, who also held Tarbolton in Kyle
under the Stewarts and Hutton in Dryfesdale under his
Levington kinsmen, was the brother-in-law of William
Comyn, earl of Buchan, the father-in-law of Henry de
Graham, lord of Dalkeith, and the uncle of both David
de la Hay, lord of Errol, and Master Gamelin, future
chancellor of Scotland and bishop of St. Andrews. ' [1]

The existence of Adam fitz Gilbert's relationship to the
Hays of Erroll has been long known, although it has to the
best of my knowledge been accepted but not proved [2]. However,
I had not seen a reference to a relationship between Adam fitz
Gilbert and the Grahams of Dalkeith prior to this.

Stringer's evidence for this statement is not provided in
the article or footnotes. However, there is indirect evidence
for the relationship:

1. Adam fitz Gilbert is known to have been the lord of
Kilbucho in Peeblesshire, in addition to the above
statement that he held Hutton as well. It is held that
Sir Henry de Graham of Dalkeith, 'the
younger' (d. bef 5 Feb 1283/4) had acquired the lordship
of Hutton in Annandale by marriage. ' Henric's de Grah'me
d[omi]n's de Hutou[N]e' granted a charter [undated] of the
lands of Overdryfe to Sir David de Torthorald, witnessed by
Nicholas de Graham (affiliation uncertain - either his
brother, or his eldest son and successor Sir Nicholas), his
son Henry de Graham and others [3]. It is possible that
the Grahams acquired their initial interest in Hutton from
the marriage to a daughter of Adam fitz Gilbert.
Significantly, the lordship of Kilbucho does appear to
have passed via this marriage. Sir Henry's great-grandson,
John de Graham 'the last', made a grant of the lands of
Kilbucho to William Douglas of Kincavil (his apparent
brother-in-law, the Knight of Liddesdale), no later than
11 Aug 1341 [4].

The statement that Adam fitz Gilbert held 'Hutton in
Dryfesdale under his Levington kinsmen' is of interest,
certainly to researchers concerning Galloway and Carrick
families and their holdings (Alex ?).

2. Adam fitz Gilbert's wife was Idonea Comyn, with whom he
had a grant of the lands of Blyth, Ingraston, and the Haugh
(Spittalhaugh) in Linton Parish, Peebles from her brother,
the earl of Buchan. The name Idonea is encountered with
rarity, but we have the name appear in the Graham family
with a daughter of Sir Henry de Graham 'the younger', in
the person of Idonea, wife of Adam de Swinburn [5].


The following reflects an interesting line of descent based
on Stringer's statement, and the above:


1) Richard Comyn = Hextilda Gilbert = Juliana
d. 1182 I of Tynedale I de Soulis
I I (sister of
______________I_______ __________I Ranulf)
I I I
William Comyn Idonea = Adam fitz Gilbert
E of Buchan I of Kilbucho and Hutton
d. 1233 I
I I
V a dau. = Sir Henry
[Christiana ?] I de Graham
I d. aft 1233
________________I_______
I I
NN Avenel = Sir Henry de Graham Nicholas
I lord of Hutton [3]
I
___________I_______________________
I I I I I
Sir Nicholas Idonea = Adam de
d. 1306 = Mary of I Swinburn
I Strathearn I
______I____________________ I
I I V
Sir John de Graham Agnes = John de
d. 1337; = Isabella Monfode
I
_________I_____________________
I I I I
John Agnes = Sir John de Douglas
Graham I (dsp) I of Dalkeith>
V


This provides a significant addition to the ancestry of
the Grahams of Dalkeith and Abercorn, not to mention for their
myriad descendants. Should anyone have additional documentation,
comment, criticism or suggestions for further research, that
would be welcome as always.

Cheers,

John *


NOTES

[1] Keith J. Stringer, Periphery and Core in Thirteenth-Century
Scotland: Alan son of Roland, Lord of Galloway and Constable
of Scotland, in Alexander Grant and Keith J. Stringer, eds.,
Medieval Scotland: Crown, Lordship and Community (Edinburgh:
Edinburgh Univ. Press, 1993) p. 100.

[2] The Scots Peerage article on Hay, Earl of Erroll includes
the following:
' Sir James Balfour has preserved a note of a grant of the
lands of Flemingstoun by Adam, son of Gilbert, to David de
Haya, his nephew, which was confirmed by Alexnader II. in
1224' [SP III:557].

The footnote to the foregoing (4) states,
' Harl. MS. 4693, fol. 33. If the statement that
the mother of William de Hay was Juliana de Soulis can be
trusted, it may be that he and Adam, son of Gilbert, were
uterine brothers. See Regist. Glasg., i. 72.'

[3] Reg. Honoris de Morton II:2, no. 2.

[4] Ibid., II:41-42, no. 55. King David II confirmed same,
11 Aug 1341 [Reg. Honoris de Morton II, no. 56]. The text
in Reg. Honoris de Morton states this was a grant 'of all
my lands of the barony of Kilbucho and of Newlands '
[" om's t'ras meas in baron' de kylbechoch del newlandis "]

[5] SP VI:197.



* John P. Ravilious.²

     Robert Fitz Hugh died circa 1201.¹
     GAV-28 EDV-25 GKJ-26.

     Walter Comyn Earl of Menteith married Isabella (?) Countess of Menteith, daughter of Maurice 'the Younger' (?) Mormaer of Menteith, circa 1230.^1,6

     Isabella (?) Countess of Menteith married Sir John Russell.¹
Isabella (?) Countess of Menteith married Walter Comyn Earl of Menteith, son of William Comyn Earl of Buchan j.u., Lord of Badenoch and Sarah (?) 'filia Roberti', circa 1230.^1,3

     Isabella (?) Countess of Menteith was also known as Iseabail Inghen Mhuireadhaich Heiress of Menteith.³

     Sir John Russell married Isabella (?) Countess of Menteith, daughter of Maurice 'the Younger' (?) Mormaer of Menteith.¹

     Jean Comyn married William (?) 2nd Earl of Ross, son of Ferquard (?) 1st Earl of Ross.^1,5

     William (?) 2nd Earl of Ross married Jean Comyn, daughter of William Comyn Earl of Buchan j.u., Lord of Badenoch and Sarah (?) 'filia Roberti'.^1,2

William (?) 2nd Earl of Ross died in May 1274.^1,2
     Reference: van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. vol I 190.²