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     Hugues V d'Amboise-Chaumont seigneur de Chaumont married Jeanne (Anne) de Saint-Verain, daughter of Hugues IV or Erard de Saint-Verain and Jeanne de Mello, circa 1316.¹

Hugues V d'Amboise-Chaumont seigneur de Chaumont died in 1331.¹

     Jeanne (Anne) de Saint-Verain married Hugues V d'Amboise-Chaumont seigneur de Chaumont, son of Jean II d'Amboise seigneur d'Amboise, Berrie, Blere, Chaumont, Montrichard et La Guerche and Jeanne Charost, circa 1316.¹

     Hugues IV or Erard de Saint-Verain married Jeanne de Mello.¹

     Jeanne de Mello married Hugues IV or Erard de Saint-Verain.¹

     Jean III d'Amboise-Chaumont seigneur de Chaumont et de Saint-Verain was born in 1325.¹ He married Jeanne de Beaumont, daughter of Robert de Beaumont vicomte de Beaumont-au-Maine and Marie de Craon dame du Châtelais, in 1337.¹

Jean III d'Amboise-Chaumont seigneur de Chaumont et de Saint-Verain died on 26 August 1346 at Battle of Crécy, Crecy-en-Ponthieu, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France (now).¹

     Ingelger II d'Amboise seigneur de Rochecorbon married Jeanne de Craon, daughter of Pierre I de Craon eigneur de Chantocé, La Suze, Ingrande, Les Essarts and Catherine de Machecoul dame, circa 1400.¹

Ingelger II d'Amboise seigneur de Rochecorbon died in 1410.¹
      ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Jeanne de Craon ° dès 1376 + 26 ou 28/12/1421 (Angers)
     ép. 1) ~1400 Ingelger II d’Amboise + dès 14/01/1410 seigneur de Rochecorbon, Marans, Fontenay-Labat(t)u, vicomte de Tours
     ép. 2) après 1412 Pierre 1er de Beauvau ° ~1384 + ~1435 seigneur de Beauvau (49), La Roche-sur-Yon (Vendée, par achat 1413), Montpipeau (Loiret) et Champigny-sur-Veude (37), Gouverneur du Maine et d’Anjou, capitaine (1416), Chambellan de Louis II, Roi de Sicile, Sénéchal d’Anjou & de Provence."³

     Jeanne de Craon was born before 1376.¹ She married Ingelger II d'Amboise seigneur de Rochecorbon, son of Enguerrand/Ingelger I "Le Grand" d'Amboise Sire d'Amboise de Chevreuse and Isabelle de Thouars Comtesse de Dreux et de Benon, circa 1400.¹

Jeanne de Craon died on 26 December 1421 at Angers, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France.¹
      ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Jeanne de Craon ° dès 1376 + 26 ou 28/12/1421 (Angers)
     ép. 1) ~1400 Ingelger II d’Amboise + dès 14/01/1410 seigneur de Rochecorbon, Marans, Fontenay-Labat(t)u, vicomte de Tours
     ép. 2) après 1412 Pierre 1er de Beauvau ° ~1384 + ~1435 seigneur de Beauvau (49), La Roche-sur-Yon (Vendée, par achat 1413), Montpipeau (Loiret) et Champigny-sur-Veude (37), Gouverneur du Maine et d’Anjou, capitaine (1416), Chambellan de Louis II, Roi de Sicile, Sénéchal d’Anjou & de Provence."²

     Marie de Rieux married Louis d'Amboise seigneur d'Amboise, Blere, Montrichard, comte de Guines, Vcte de Thouars, Pr de Talmond, son of Ingelger II d'Amboise seigneur de Rochecorbon and Jeanne de Craon,
; his 1st wife.¹
Marie de Rieux died between 24 January 1465 and 1466.¹

     Jean III de Rieux seigneur de Rochefort married Beatrix de Montauban.¹

     Beatrix de Montauban married Jean III de Rieux seigneur de Rochefort.¹

     Nicole/Colette de Chambes died; possibly poisoned by her husband.¹ She married Louis d'Amboise seigneur d'Amboise, Blere, Montrichard, comte de Guines, Vcte de Thouars, Pr de Talmond, son of Ingelger II d'Amboise seigneur de Rochecorbon and Jeanne de Craon,
; his 2nd wife.¹

     Geberge (?) de Gâtinais was born in 915.¹
Geberge (?) de Gâtinais died in 977.¹
      ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Gerberge de Gâtinais ° 915 + 977
ép. Alain II «Barbetorte» ° 910 (Angleterre) + 952 (Nantes) 1er comte de Nantes, Dol et Vannes et Poher (931), duc de Bretagne (937)"

NB: This marriage to Geberge does not seem to be reported anywhere else.²

     Hugues du Perche Count of Gâtinais was born circa 970.²
Hugues du Perche Count of Gâtinais died after 993.² He married Béatrix/Béatrice de Mâcon comtesse de Gâtinais, daughter of Aubry/Alberic II de Mâcon Comte de Mâcon and Ermentrude/Irmgard de Roucy Countess of Rheims, circa 1000
;
Her 2nd husband.^1,9,2
     ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Geoffroi 1er de Château-Landon + après 11/991 seigneur de Château-Landon, comte de Gâtinais (souscrit charte 985/87 de donation de biens à Villette à l’Abbaye de Saint-Père de Chartres)
     ép. entre 03/966 et 14/01/971 Beatrix de Mâcon (fille d’Aubri II, comte de Mâcon, et d’Ermentrude de Roucy ; ép. 2) ~1000 Hugues du Perche (fils de Foucois, comte de Mortagne, et de Mélisende, vicomtesse de Châteaudun ; frère de Georffroi de Mortagne ; oncle d’Hugues, seigneur de Pithiviers) (citée dans une charte de son fils du 2° lit 26/05/1028.)¹⁰"


; This is the same person as ”Hugues du Perche” at The Henry Project.² GAV-26.

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Hugues du Perche was a 10th-century French noble. He was the youngest son of Fulcois, the Count of Perche, probably of the family of viscounts from Châteaudun, and his wife, Melisende. He was also one of the first known ancestors in male line of the Plantagenets.
     "He married Béatrice de Mâcon, widow of Geoffroy I, Count Gatinais. She was the daughter of Albéric ou Aubry II de Mâcon, comte de Mâcon. The children from this marriage were:
-- Geoffrey II, Count of Gâtinais. He was known by the nickname Ferréol ("Ironwood"). By his marriage with Ermengarde-Blanche of Anjou, his descendants would not only become Count of Anjou, but King -- of Jerusalem and England as well.
Liétaud ( † 1050), Lord of Yèvres of 1028-1050.
     "In the charter that his step-son Aubry, Count Gâtinais, and Francon, Bishop of Paris signed May 26, 1028, he is quoted as a witness, along with his two sons Geoffroy and Liétaud. It is this act that evidences the second marriage of Hugues du Perche with Beatrice.
     "Being from a vassal family of the counts of Blois, while the counts Gâtinais were faithful to the Capetian kings of France, the marriage took place probably during a period of rapprochement between the two families, during the marriage of King Robert II the Pious and Bertha of Burgundy, widow of Eudes I of Blois, between 996 and 1003.
Sources
-- Rohan, K. S. B. (2000). Onomastique et parenté dans l'Occident médiéval. Oxford: Unit for Prosopographical Research, Linacre College. ISBN 1-900934-01-9.:
-- Édouard de Saint Phalle, « Les comtes de Gâtinais aux Xe et XIe siècle »."³

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES du Perche, son of FULCOIS Comte de Mortagne & his wife Melisende Vicomtesse de Châteaudun . His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1065] under which "Rotrochus comes de Mauritania et mea uxor Adeliz et filii nostri Rotrochus et ceteri nostri infantes" donated property to Saint-Vincent du Mans, for the anniversary of "avi mei Fulcuich comitis et avunculi mei Hugonis et patris mei vicecomitis Gaufridi"[185].
     "Same person as…? HUGUES du Perche (-after [1000]). No proof of this co-identity has been found, but it would be chronologically plausible.
     "m ([1000]) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Mâcon, widow of GEOFFROY Comte de Gâtinais, daughter of AUBRY II Comte de Mâcon & his wife Ermentrude de Roucy. A manuscript genealogy, dated to the early 12th century, records "Letaldus comes Vesoncius et Umbertus comes Marisconensis fratres…ex Letaldo, Albericus…ex Alberico Beatrix, ex Beatrice Gosfrido de Castello Landonensi"[186]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the charter of her son "Albericum illius supradicti Gosfredi filium et heredum" dated 26 May 1028 (see below) approved by "fratribus ipsius Alberici, filiis Hugonis Pertice…Gosfredo et Letoldo"[187]."
Med Lands cites:
; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].^12,6

     Foucois/Fulcuich/Fulcois (?) Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou. comte en Perche, comte de Mortagne was born between 950 and 955; The Henry project says b. Say 950?^5,6 He married Mélisende de Nogent-le-Rotrou vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of Routrou (?) Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou, Comte de Corbon,
; Per The Henry project: "Fulcois appears as the avus of Melisende's grandson Rotrou, son of her son Geoffroy ["..., ego Rotrochus comes de Mauritania, et mea uxor Adeliz et filii nostri, Rotrochus, et ceteri nostri infantes... ut annuatim anniversarium avi mei Fulcuich, comitis, et avunculi mei Hugonis et patris mei vicecomitis Gaufridi faciant..." Cart. S.-Vincent du Mans, 350-1 (#609)]. Since Rotrou's maternal grandfather appears to be accounted for [see the page of Geoffroy (II)], the most natural interpretation of avus as "grandfather" would make Fulcois the father of Geoffroy and thus husband of Melisende. See the Commentary section for other husbands who have been assigned to Melisende.“.^{7,8,4,9,5,10,6}
Foucois/Fulcuich/Fulcois (?) Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou. comte en Perche, comte de Mortagne died before 1032; Wikipedia says d. bef 1032; Settipani says d. bef 1003; The Henry Project says d. "probably before 1032."^8,5,6
     ; NB: There are several theories as to the father/parents of the Helvise/Elisabeth who m. Geoffroy III:
     I. Wikipedia says she was "Helvise (Elizabeth) de Corbon, daughter of Rainard, Lord of Pithiviers, and his wife Helvise."
     II. Wikipédia (Fr.) says he m. "Helvise, fille probable de Renard de Broyes, seigneur de Pithiviers et Nogent, et d'Helvide ou Héloïse (de Bassigny ?)"
     III. Med Lands says: "...m HELVISE [Elisabeth], daughter of --- (-after [20 Jul 1031/19 Jul 1032])."
     IV. France Balade says he m. "Helvise (Héloise) fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (on dit aussi Corbon)"
     V. Racines et Histoire calls her Helvise de Corbon fille de Fulcuich, comte de Corbon (Mortagne)
     VI. Settipani names her as Helvidis and gives her a completely different ancestry, as a possible dau. of Renhard, Seigneurs de Pithiviers (980-ca 1000) and his wife Helvidis (960-unk). (See attachted image of the chart from Settipani's paper is attached.)
Conclusion: Settipani is the only one of these six sources that gives detailed arguments and cites a number of other researchers in supporting his conclusion. His argumentation supports the (probably later) conclusions in the Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) articles. I have changed my own data to reflect Settipani's conclusion as to Helvise/Helvidis's parents and ancestry. GA Vaut.^{11,12,13,14,15,5,16}


; This is the same person as ”Fulcuich” at Wikipedia and as ”Fulcois du Perche” at Wikipédia (FR).^8,17 GAV-27 EDV-28.

; comtes du Perche
Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "Fulcois (de Châteaudun), v. 1000, sans doute un parent (neveu) d'Hervé II : la mère de Fulcois serait Hildegarde de Mortagne, sœur d'Hervé II, femme et mère des vicomtes de Châteaudun Geoffroy Ier et Hugues Ier ; Fulcois épouse Mélisende de Nogent ci-dessus ; il est sans doute un parent (frère cadet) d'Hugues Ier de Châteaudun archevêque de Tours en 1003, donc un fils cadet de Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun“


Per Wikipedia: "Fulcois, son of [Rotrou I] and husband of Melisende, Viscountess of Châteaudun, daughter of Herve I“.^18,19

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 689.²⁰ Foucois/Fulcuich/Fulcois (?) Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou. comte en Perche, comte de Mortagne was also known as Foulques/Fulk/Fulcuich (?) Cte de Mortagne, Cte de Corbon.^20,21,22

; Per Racines et Histoire (Perche): “? Foucois (Fulcuich) + dès 1003 seigneur de Nogent-Le-Rotrou, comte en Perche, Corbonnais ou Mortagne
     ép. ~975 Mélissende, comtesse de Mortagne, vicomtesse de Châteaudun + après 1031 (fille de Geoffroi 1er et d’Hildegarde de Mortagne)”.²³

; NB: The parents of Fulcois and his wife Melisende are unclear. Some sources present Fulcois as a descedant of the seigneurs de Nogent-le-Rotrou and Melisende as a descendant of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. However, Settipani has argued that their ascents should be switched: Fulcois was the Châteaudun descendant, while Melisende as of the family of seigneurs de Nogent-le-Rotrou.
     This argument is discussed in Wikipédia (Fr.) and is based on the analysis of Settipani [2000]. An image of the relevant chart from Settipani [2000] is attached.
Certitudes
     "[Fulcois] est cité comme comte dans une donation faite vers 1051/60 par Rotrou II, comte de Mortagne et vicomte de Châteaudun (Rotrou Ier), pour le repos de l'âme, entre autres, de son aïeul Fulcois. Le père de Rotrou II-Ier, Geoffroy Ier comte du Perche et vicomte de Châteaudun (Geoffroy II), qui se qualifie de neveu d'Hugues Ier de Châteaudun, archevêque de Tours, mentionne sa mère Mélisende et son oncle Burchard dans un acte qu'il signe en 1032. D'autres documents permettent d'établir que le comte-vicomte Geoffroy Ier-II est un petit-fils de Rotrou, comte de Nogent, et que l'archevêque Hugues est un fils de Geoffroy Ier, vicomte de Châteaudun et d'une Hildegarde, et qu'il a un frère nommé Alo/Adalaud/Adalard de Chinon.
Hypothèses familiales
     "À partir de ces documents une reconstitution familiale est proposée : On sait que Rotrou II-Ier est fils de Geoffroy Ier-II, lequel est fils de Fulcois et de Mélisende. Egalement, Il apparaît évident que les deux grands-parents de Geoffroy Ier-II sont Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun et Rotrou Ier de Nogent. Mais d'où proviennent Fulcois et Mélisende ?
     "Les généalogies traditionnelles proposent de voir Fulcois comme un fils de Rotrou de Nogent, et Mélisende comme une fille de Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun. Cette généalogie pose cependant un certain nombre de problèmes :
     "La reconstruction présente propose donc de voir Fulcois comme un fils de Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun et Mélisende comme une fille de Rotrou de Nogent. Cette proposition résout les problèmes évoqués ci-dessus.
Synthèse
     "Fulcois est probablement fils de Geoffroy Ier, vicomte de Châteaudun et d'Hildegarde de Mortagne, et frère cadet de l'archevêque-vicomte Hugues Ier. Dans les années 980, il hérita du comté de Mortagne qui était tenu par son oncle maternel Hervé II. Il épousa Mélisende, fille probable de Rotrou, seigneur de Nogent, qui donna naissance à :
     "Ce mariage lui permit, à la mort de Rotrou survenue après 996, de réunir les deux fiefs de Mortagne et de Nogent, union qui formera le futur comté du Perche. Fulcois meurt avant 1003. En effet, à cette date, son frère Hugues devient archevêque de Tours et cède la vicomté de Châteaudun au fils de Fulcois, Geoffroy Ier-II. On peut penser que si Fulcois était encore vivant à cette date, il serait devenu vicomte de Châteaudun, ce qui veut sans doute dire qu'il était déjà mort."


Translation (courtesy of Google Translate)::
Certainties
     "[Fulcois] is cited as count in a donation made around 1051/60 by Rotrou II, count of Mortagne and viscount of Châteaudun (Rotrou Ier), for the rest of the soul, among others, of his ancestor Fulcois. The father of Rotrou II-I, Geoffroy Ier comte du Perche and viscount of Châteaudun (Geoffroy II), who qualifies himself as nephew of Hugh I of Châteaudun, archbishop of Tours, mentions his mother Mélisende and his uncle Burchard in an act that 'he signed in 1032. Other documents allow to establish that the count-viscount Geoffroy Ier-II is a grandson of Rotrou, count of Nogent, and that the archbishop Hugues is a son of Geoffroy Ier, viscount of Châteaudun and a Hildegard, and that he has a brother named Alo / Adalaud / Adalard de Chinon.
Family assumptions
     "From these documents a family reconstitution is proposed: We know that Rotrou II-I is the son of Geoffroy Ier-II, who is the son of Fulcois and Mélisende. Also, it appears obvious that the two grandparents of Geoffroy Ier-II are Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun and Rotrou Ier de Nogent. But where do Fulcois and Mélisende come from?
     "Traditional genealogies suggest seeing Fulcois as a son of Rotrou de Nogent, and Mélisende as a daughter of Geoffroy I de Châteaudun. However, this genealogy poses a number of problems:
     "The present reconstruction therefore proposes to see Fulcois as a son of Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun and Mélisende as a daughter of Rotrou de Nogent. This proposal resolves the problems mentioned above.
Synthesis
     "Fulcois is probably the son of Geoffroy Ier, viscount of Châteaudun and Hildegarde de Mortagne, and younger brother of the archbishop-viscount Hugues Ier. In the 980s, he inherited the county of Mortagne which was held by his maternal uncle Hervé II. He married Mélisende, probable daughter of Rotrou, Lord of Nogent, who gave birth to:
     "This marriage allowed him, at the death of Rotrou after 996, to reunite the two strongholds of Mortagne and Nogent, a union which will form the future county of Perche. Fulcois died before 1003. In fact, on this date, his brother Hugues became archbishop of Tours and ceded the viscounty of Châteaudun to Fulcois' son, Geoffroy Ier-II. One can think that if Fulcois were still alive on that date, he would have become viscount of Châteaudun, which undoubtedly means that he was already dead."¹⁷

; Per Med Lands:
     " FULCOIS . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou. Comte de Mortagne. m MELISENDE Vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of [HUGUES [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife ---] (-before 1040). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Fulcois & his wife had two children:

; Per Med Lands.²⁵
     "[MELISENDE (-before 1040). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Vicomtesse de Châteaudun.
     "m FULCOIS Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou Comte de Mortaigne, son of ROTROU Seigneur de Nogent & his wife ---.]"
; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].^26,5
; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
     The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.


I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.^{27,28,14,29,30,5,31,32}
; From Wilson:
     "Settipani and Keats-Rohan, in the essays listed below, seem to have sorted out the early viscounts of Chateaudun whose line is disconnected in ES iii, 689, and apparently in error in earlier secondary sources. I would appreciate it if someone would let me know if I have misread the relevant portions of these essays, or if you note other errors in the pedigree below.

First Generation
     "1 Routrou I Count of Mortagne.[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[82, 455:20->685:04],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179] Routrou I died ca 1080.[233] Vicomte of Chateaudun; seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151]
bef 1041 Routrou married Adeline of Domfront[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, See 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179],[82, 455:21->685:05].[151]

Second Generation
     "2 Geoffrey III Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[466],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:08] Geoffrey III was alive in 1031.[233, iii, 689],[466] Geoffrey III died in 1039/1040.[233, iii, 689 +] Seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151],[467]
     "3 Heloise \ Elisabeth of Mortaigne.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[467],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, See 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:09] Born abt 995.

Third Generation
     "4 Geoffrey II Viscount of Chateaudun.[73, p. 48],[466],[467],[151, See 249:33 (Hugh I, brother)] Geoffrey II was alive in 1004.[466] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467]
     "5 Melisinda of Nogent.[73, p. 48],[466],[467]
     "6 Fulk Count of Mortagne [233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[467],[151, See 249:32] Count of Corbon.[233]

Fourth Generation
     "8 Geoffrey I Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48 (? Hugh I, brother of Geoffrey II)],[466],[467] Geoffrey I died aft 986.[233, iii, 689 +] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467] ca 1020 Geoffrey I married Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689 =]
     "9 Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[466],[467] Hildegarde was alive ca 970.[467] was alive ca 1020.[467] Hildegarde died bef 1023.[233, iii, 689 +] Hildegarde is suggested to be a granddaughter of Hugh I, Count of Maine.[466]
     "10 Rotrou Seigneur of Nogent.[467] Rotrou was alive in 967.[467] was alive in 996.[467] Seigneur of Nogent .[467]

REFERENCES
Alan B. Wilson abwilson@uclink2.berkeley.edu“.³³
; The Henry Project has a good discussion of the debate of the marriage of Melisende and Fulcois and of which of these two was the child of Geoffroy I and Hildegarde:
The parentage of Melisende
     "The one early source mentioning Melisende says nothing about her parentage. However, her son Geoffroy became viscount of Châteaudun, so it is natural to investigate how he came to hold that title. Archbishop Hugues of Tours, earlier viscount of Châteaudun, was succeeded as viscount in 1003×4 by Geoffroy, probably the same as Melisende's son. On two occasions, a nepos of archibishop Hugues named Geoffroy is mentioned [1005×23: "... Hugo archipræsul. Gaufridi, nepotis ejus. ..." Cart. S.-Père de Chartres, 1: 117-8 (#6); 1032: "Gauffredi nepotis Hugonis archiepiscopi" Settipani (1997), 261 n. 247, citing Coll. Tour. Anj., ii1, #419]. It is probable that Geoffroy, nepos (probably to be interpreted as "nephew") of Hugues, was the same person as the latter's successor as viscount. See the page of Geoffroy (II) for a more detailed discussion of this.
Did the Châteaudun connection come through Melisende or through her husband?
     "If the likely conclusion that Melisende's son Geoffroy was a nephew of archbishop Hugues is accepted as a working hypothesis, there is still the problem of whether this relationship would be on the side of Geoffroy's father or his mother. This in turn could depend heavily on the identity of Melisende's husband. If Melisende's husband were an earlier viscount Geoffroy, then he would probably be a brother of archbishop Hugues. If Melisende's husband were Rotrou de Nogent, then it would be Melisende who was probably a sister of Hugues. However, the most likely possibility is that Melisende's husband was count Fulcois, but in that case it is hard to determine which parent of Geoffroy was a sibling of archbishop Hugues, because we have no indication of the ancestry of Fulcois. Most of those who accept Fulcois as the husband of Melisende have placed her as a sister of archbishop Hugues [Cuissard (1894-6), 43, 120 (table); Estournet (1928), 116, table; Saint-Phalle (2000), 236, 245]. The case in which Fulcois is placed as a brother of Hugues was put forward by Christian Settipani [Settipani (2000), 252-3].
     "Romanet argued that Melisende had brough the lordship of Nogent to her husband, because when her son Geoffroy donated the church of Champrond in that lordship to Saint-Denis de Nogent in 1031×2, he had reserved the usufruct for his mother [Romanet (1890-1902), 37]. On the other hand, Estournet argued from the fact that Melisende did not witness the act that her consent was unnecessary, and that the donation was therefore not a part of her patrimony [Estournet (1928), 117-8]. In 1997, mistakenly stating that Melisende subscribed to the act, Settipani said that her consent was effective [Settipani (1997), 263 n. 254]. However, this line of argument does not seem conclusive in either direction.
     "The future archbishop Hugues was evidently succeeded as viscount of Châteaudun in 1003×4 by his nephew Geoffroy. As Settipani pointed out, there is the question of whether a maternal nephew would succeed as viscount when Hugues had a son Helgaud and a brother Alo de Chinon still living [Settipani (2000), 253; Alo was still alive in 1009×12, Lex (1892), 136-140 (Pièces justificatives #10)]. Helgaud may have been illegitimate, or not old enough to become viscount in 1003×4. The claim of Cuissard that Alo was only a maternal half-brother of Hugues is worth mentioning in this context [Cuissard (1894-6), 120 (table)], but it is not clear that there is any evidence to support the supposed earlier marriage of Hildegarde (mother of Hugues) [See the page of Hildegarde for more]. Nevertheless, the fact that Alo was still alive in 1003×4 would seem to be an argument in favor of Geoffroy's probable father Fulcois being a brother of Hugues.
     "However, the comital title of Fulcois would appear to point in the opposite direction, for there is no indication that the viscounts of Châteaudun during the period 967-1004 had any claim to a comital title, making it seem less likely that count Fuclois was a member of that family. Settipani, who conjectures Fulcois as a son of viscount Geoffroy (I) and Hildegarde in his most recent account [Settipani (2000), 252-3], suggests that the comital title arrived in the family via Hildegarde, who is placed as a possible daughter of count Hervé of Mortagne [ibid., 256-8]. However, this is very conjectural.
     "Chronology should also be considered here. If the conjecture that Melisende was the mother of Hugues du Perche is correct, then we have a possible tight chronology, although it is difficult to measure the extent of the problem because of the uncertainties involved. Although a birth in 980 or later for Hugues du Perche cannot be ruled out, ca. 970 would seem to be a better estimate [see the page of Hugues du Perche]. However, the viscountess Hildegarde appears in a charter whose date is estimated by the editor to be ca. 1020, although it could be as early as 1005 [Cart. S.-Père de Chartres, 1: 117-8 (#6); see the page of Hildegarde]. If the editor's estimated date for Hildegarde's charter is correct, or nearly so, and Hildegarde really was the grandmother of Hugues du Perche, then the chronology between Hildegarde and Hugues would be tight if Hildegarde was born as late as 940. Since female generations are generally shorter than male generations, this chronological tightness would be relieved slightly if the generation between Hildegarde and Hugues were female, i.e., if Melisende were a daughter of Hildegarde. This argument should not be pressed too far, but it does seem to tilt the probability slightly in that direction.
     "None of the above arguments is particularly strong. Thus, even though it was probably the case that Melisende's son Geoffroy was a grandson of the viscountess Hildegarde, it is difficult to say with any degree of confidence whether the intervening generation was Melisende or her husband. Thus, with regard to the parentage of Melisende, all we can do is list some possibilities.“
The Henry Project cites:
** Cart. S.-Père de Chartres = Benjamin Guérard, Cartulaire de l'Abbaye de Saint-Père de Chartres, 2 vols. (Paris, 1840).
** Cuissard (1894-6) = Charles Cuissard, "Chronologie des Vicomtes de Châteaudun (960-1395)", Bulletins de la Société dunoise 8 (1894-6): 25-120.
** Estournet (1928) = "Les origines historiques de Nemours et sa charte de franchises (1170)" (parts I-III), Annales de la Société Historique & Archéologique du Gâtinais 39 (1928): 105-158.
** Lex (1892) = Léonce Lex, Eudes, comte de Blois, de Tours, de Chartres, de Troyes et de Meaux (995-1037) et Thibaud, son frère (995-1004) (Troyes, 1892).
** Romanet (1890-1902) = Vicomte de Romanet, Géographie du Perche et chronologie de ses comtes (Documents sur la province du Perche, ser. 2, no. 1, Mortagne, 1890-1902).
** Saint-Phalle (2000) = Edouard de Saint-Phalle, "Les comtes de Gâtinais aux Xe et XIe siècles", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 230-246.
** Settipani (1997) = Christian Settipani, "Les comtes d'Anjou et leur alliances aux Xe et XIe siècles", in K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, ed., Family Trees and the Roots of Politics (Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1997): 211-267.
** Settipani (2000) = Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leur alliés", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 247-261.³⁴ He was Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou. Per Wikipedia: "Fulcois, son of [Routrou I] and husband of Melisende, Viscountess of Châteaudun, daughter of Herve I" between 996 and 1003.^35,5 He was Seigneur (comte) de Mortagne et de Nogent. Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "Fulcois (de Châteaudun), v. 1000, sans doute un parent (neveu) d'Hervé II : la mère de Fulcois serait Hildegarde de Mortagne, sœur d'Hervé II, femme et mère des vicomtes de Châteaudun Geoffroy Ier et Hugues Ier ; Fulcois épouse Mélisende de Nogent ci-dessus ; il est sans doute un parent (frère cadet) d'Hugues Ier de Châteaudun archevêque de Tours en 1003, donc un fils cadet de Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun“ between 1000 and 1003.¹⁸

     Mélisende de Nogent-le-Rotrou vicomtesse de Châteaudun was born between 950 and 960; The Henry project says b. 950-960?⁵ She married Foucois/Fulcuich/Fulcois (?) Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou. comte en Perche, comte de Mortagne, son of Geoffroy I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudun and Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun,
; Per The Henry project: "Fulcois appears as the avus of Melisende's grandson Rotrou, son of her son Geoffroy ["..., ego Rotrochus comes de Mauritania, et mea uxor Adeliz et filii nostri, Rotrochus, et ceteri nostri infantes... ut annuatim anniversarium avi mei Fulcuich, comitis, et avunculi mei Hugonis et patris mei vicecomitis Gaufridi faciant..." Cart. S.-Vincent du Mans, 350-1 (#609)]. Since Rotrou's maternal grandfather appears to be accounted for [see the page of Geoffroy (II)], the most natural interpretation of avus as "grandfather" would make Fulcois the father of Geoffroy and thus husband of Melisende. See the Commentary section for other husbands who have been assigned to Melisende.“.^{6,7,8,9,2,5,10}
Mélisende de Nogent-le-Rotrou vicomtesse de Châteaudun died before 1040.^11,12
      ; Per Med Lands:
     " FULCOIS . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou. Comte de Mortagne. m MELISENDE Vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of [HUGUES [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife ---] (-before 1040). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Fulcois & his wife had two children:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Perche): “? Foucois (Fulcuich) + dès 1003 seigneur de Nogent-Le-Rotrou, comte en Perche, Corbonnais ou Mortagne
     ép. ~975 Mélissende, comtesse de Mortagne, vicomtesse de Châteaudun + après 1031 (fille de Geoffroi 1er et d’Hildegarde de Mortagne)”.¹⁴

; NB: The parents of Fulcois and his wife Melisende are unclear. Some sources present Fulcois as a descedant of the seigneurs de Nogent-le-Rotrou and Melisende as a descendant of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. However, Settipani has argued that their ascents should be switched: Fulcois was the Châteaudun descendant, while Melisende as of the family of seigneurs de Nogent-le-Rotrou.
     This argument is discussed in Wikipédia (Fr.) and is based on the analysis of Settipani [2000]. An image of the relevant chart from Settipani [2000] is attached.
Certitudes
     "[Fulcois] est cité comme comte dans une donation faite vers 1051/60 par Rotrou II, comte de Mortagne et vicomte de Châteaudun (Rotrou Ier), pour le repos de l'âme, entre autres, de son aïeul Fulcois. Le père de Rotrou II-Ier, Geoffroy Ier comte du Perche et vicomte de Châteaudun (Geoffroy II), qui se qualifie de neveu d'Hugues Ier de Châteaudun, archevêque de Tours, mentionne sa mère Mélisende et son oncle Burchard dans un acte qu'il signe en 1032. D'autres documents permettent d'établir que le comte-vicomte Geoffroy Ier-II est un petit-fils de Rotrou, comte de Nogent, et que l'archevêque Hugues est un fils de Geoffroy Ier, vicomte de Châteaudun et d'une Hildegarde, et qu'il a un frère nommé Alo/Adalaud/Adalard de Chinon.
Hypothèses familiales
     "À partir de ces documents une reconstitution familiale est proposée : On sait que Rotrou II-Ier est fils de Geoffroy Ier-II, lequel est fils de Fulcois et de Mélisende. Egalement, Il apparaît évident que les deux grands-parents de Geoffroy Ier-II sont Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun et Rotrou Ier de Nogent. Mais d'où proviennent Fulcois et Mélisende ?
     "Les généalogies traditionnelles proposent de voir Fulcois comme un fils de Rotrou de Nogent, et Mélisende comme une fille de Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun. Cette généalogie pose cependant un certain nombre de problèmes :
     "La reconstruction présente propose donc de voir Fulcois comme un fils de Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun et Mélisende comme une fille de Rotrou de Nogent. Cette proposition résout les problèmes évoqués ci-dessus.
Synthèse
     "Fulcois est probablement fils de Geoffroy Ier, vicomte de Châteaudun et d'Hildegarde de Mortagne, et frère cadet de l'archevêque-vicomte Hugues Ier. Dans les années 980, il hérita du comté de Mortagne qui était tenu par son oncle maternel Hervé II. Il épousa Mélisende, fille probable de Rotrou, seigneur de Nogent, qui donna naissance à :
     "Ce mariage lui permit, à la mort de Rotrou survenue après 996, de réunir les deux fiefs de Mortagne et de Nogent, union qui formera le futur comté du Perche. Fulcois meurt avant 1003. En effet, à cette date, son frère Hugues devient archevêque de Tours et cède la vicomté de Châteaudun au fils de Fulcois, Geoffroy Ier-II. On peut penser que si Fulcois était encore vivant à cette date, il serait devenu vicomte de Châteaudun, ce qui veut sans doute dire qu'il était déjà mort."


Translation (courtesy of Google Translate)::
Certainties
     "[Fulcois] is cited as count in a donation made around 1051/60 by Rotrou II, count of Mortagne and viscount of Châteaudun (Rotrou Ier), for the rest of the soul, among others, of his ancestor Fulcois. The father of Rotrou II-I, Geoffroy Ier comte du Perche and viscount of Châteaudun (Geoffroy II), who qualifies himself as nephew of Hugh I of Châteaudun, archbishop of Tours, mentions his mother Mélisende and his uncle Burchard in an act that 'he signed in 1032. Other documents allow to establish that the count-viscount Geoffroy Ier-II is a grandson of Rotrou, count of Nogent, and that the archbishop Hugues is a son of Geoffroy Ier, viscount of Châteaudun and a Hildegard, and that he has a brother named Alo / Adalaud / Adalard de Chinon.
Family assumptions
     "From these documents a family reconstitution is proposed: We know that Rotrou II-I is the son of Geoffroy Ier-II, who is the son of Fulcois and Mélisende. Also, it appears obvious that the two grandparents of Geoffroy Ier-II are Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun and Rotrou Ier de Nogent. But where do Fulcois and Mélisende come from?
     "Traditional genealogies suggest seeing Fulcois as a son of Rotrou de Nogent, and Mélisende as a daughter of Geoffroy I de Châteaudun. However, this genealogy poses a number of problems:
     "The present reconstruction therefore proposes to see Fulcois as a son of Geoffroy Ier de Châteaudun and Mélisende as a daughter of Rotrou de Nogent. This proposal resolves the problems mentioned above.
Synthesis
     "Fulcois is probably the son of Geoffroy Ier, viscount of Châteaudun and Hildegarde de Mortagne, and younger brother of the archbishop-viscount Hugues Ier. In the 980s, he inherited the county of Mortagne which was held by his maternal uncle Hervé II. He married Mélisende, probable daughter of Rotrou, Lord of Nogent, who gave birth to:
     "This marriage allowed him, at the death of Rotrou after 996, to reunite the two strongholds of Mortagne and Nogent, a union which will form the future county of Perche. Fulcois died before 1003. In fact, on this date, his brother Hugues became archbishop of Tours and ceded the viscounty of Châteaudun to Fulcois' son, Geoffroy Ier-II. One can think that if Fulcois were still alive on that date, he would have become viscount of Châteaudun, which undoubtedly means that he was already dead."¹ Mélisende de Nogent-le-Rotrou vicomtesse de Châteaudun was also known as Melisende Nogent.⁹ GAV-27.

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "Mélisende, comtesse de Nogent, fille du précédent [Rotrou I], mariée à Fulcois de Châteaudun (sans doute fils et frère des vicomtes Geoffroy Ier et Hugues Ier de Châteaudun ; comte de Mortagne, sans doute par sa mère Hildegarde, probable sœur ou du moins parente d'Hervé II ci-dessus)“
Translation: "Mélisende, Countess of Nogent, daughter of the previous one [Rotrou I], married to Fulcois de Châteaudun (probably son and brother of Viscounts Geoffroy Ier and Hugues Ier de Châteaudun; Count de Mortagne, probably by his mother Hildegarde, probable sister or at least related to Hervé II above.)³"

; This is the same person as ”Melisende, Viscountess of Châteaudun” at Wikipedia.


This is also the same person as ”Melisende” at The Henry Project.^11,5

; Per Med Lands.¹²
     "[MELISENDE (-before 1040). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Vicomtesse de Châteaudun.
     "m FULCOIS Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou Comte de Mortaigne, son of ROTROU Seigneur de Nogent & his wife ---.]"
; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
     The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.


I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.^{15,16,17,18,19,2,20,21}
; From Wilson:
     "Settipani and Keats-Rohan, in the essays listed below, seem to have sorted out the early viscounts of Chateaudun whose line is disconnected in ES iii, 689, and apparently in error in earlier secondary sources. I would appreciate it if someone would let me know if I have misread the relevant portions of these essays, or if you note other errors in the pedigree below.

First Generation
     "1 Routrou I Count of Mortagne.[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[82, 455:20->685:04],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179] Routrou I died ca 1080.[233] Vicomte of Chateaudun; seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151]
bef 1041 Routrou married Adeline of Domfront[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, See 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179],[82, 455:21->685:05].[151]

Second Generation
     "2 Geoffrey III Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[466],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:08] Geoffrey III was alive in 1031.[233, iii, 689],[466] Geoffrey III died in 1039/1040.[233, iii, 689 +] Seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151],[467]
     "3 Heloise \ Elisabeth of Mortaigne.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[467],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, See 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:09] Born abt 995.

Third Generation
     "4 Geoffrey II Viscount of Chateaudun.[73, p. 48],[466],[467],[151, See 249:33 (Hugh I, brother)] Geoffrey II was alive in 1004.[466] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467]
     "5 Melisinda of Nogent.[73, p. 48],[466],[467]
     "6 Fulk Count of Mortagne [233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[467],[151, See 249:32] Count of Corbon.[233]

Fourth Generation
     "8 Geoffrey I Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48 (? Hugh I, brother of Geoffrey II)],[466],[467] Geoffrey I died aft 986.[233, iii, 689 +] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467] ca 1020 Geoffrey I married Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689 =]
     "9 Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[466],[467] Hildegarde was alive ca 970.[467] was alive ca 1020.[467] Hildegarde died bef 1023.[233, iii, 689 +] Hildegarde is suggested to be a granddaughter of Hugh I, Count of Maine.[466]
     "10 Rotrou Seigneur of Nogent.[467] Rotrou was alive in 967.[467] was alive in 996.[467] Seigneur of Nogent .[467]

REFERENCES
Alan B. Wilson abwilson@uclink2.berkeley.edu“.²²
; The Henry Project has a good discussion of the debate of the marriage of Melisende and Fulcois and of which of these two was the child of Geoffroy I and Hildegarde:
The parentage of Melisende
     "The one early source mentioning Melisende says nothing about her parentage. However, her son Geoffroy became viscount of Châteaudun, so it is natural to investigate how he came to hold that title. Archbishop Hugues of Tours, earlier viscount of Châteaudun, was succeeded as viscount in 1003×4 by Geoffroy, probably the same as Melisende's son. On two occasions, a nepos of archibishop Hugues named Geoffroy is mentioned [1005×23: "... Hugo archipræsul. Gaufridi, nepotis ejus. ..." Cart. S.-Père de Chartres, 1: 117-8 (#6); 1032: "Gauffredi nepotis Hugonis archiepiscopi" Settipani (1997), 261 n. 247, citing Coll. Tour. Anj., ii1, #419]. It is probable that Geoffroy, nepos (probably to be interpreted as "nephew") of Hugues, was the same person as the latter's successor as viscount. See the page of Geoffroy (II) for a more detailed discussion of this.
Did the Châteaudun connection come through Melisende or through her husband?
     "If the likely conclusion that Melisende's son Geoffroy was a nephew of archbishop Hugues is accepted as a working hypothesis, there is still the problem of whether this relationship would be on the side of Geoffroy's father or his mother. This in turn could depend heavily on the identity of Melisende's husband. If Melisende's husband were an earlier viscount Geoffroy, then he would probably be a brother of archbishop Hugues. If Melisende's husband were Rotrou de Nogent, then it would be Melisende who was probably a sister of Hugues. However, the most likely possibility is that Melisende's husband was count Fulcois, but in that case it is hard to determine which parent of Geoffroy was a sibling of archbishop Hugues, because we have no indication of the ancestry of Fulcois. Most of those who accept Fulcois as the husband of Melisende have placed her as a sister of archbishop Hugues [Cuissard (1894-6), 43, 120 (table); Estournet (1928), 116, table; Saint-Phalle (2000), 236, 245]. The case in which Fulcois is placed as a brother of Hugues was put forward by Christian Settipani [Settipani (2000), 252-3].
     "Romanet argued that Melisende had brough the lordship of Nogent to her husband, because when her son Geoffroy donated the church of Champrond in that lordship to Saint-Denis de Nogent in 1031×2, he had reserved the usufruct for his mother [Romanet (1890-1902), 37]. On the other hand, Estournet argued from the fact that Melisende did not witness the act that her consent was unnecessary, and that the donation was therefore not a part of her patrimony [Estournet (1928), 117-8]. In 1997, mistakenly stating that Melisende subscribed to the act, Settipani said that her consent was effective [Settipani (1997), 263 n. 254]. However, this line of argument does not seem conclusive in either direction.
     "The future archbishop Hugues was evidently succeeded as viscount of Châteaudun in 1003×4 by his nephew Geoffroy. As Settipani pointed out, there is the question of whether a maternal nephew would succeed as viscount when Hugues had a son Helgaud and a brother Alo de Chinon still living [Settipani (2000), 253; Alo was still alive in 1009×12, Lex (1892), 136-140 (Pièces justificatives #10)]. Helgaud may have been illegitimate, or not old enough to become viscount in 1003×4. The claim of Cuissard that Alo was only a maternal half-brother of Hugues is worth mentioning in this context [Cuissard (1894-6), 120 (table)], but it is not clear that there is any evidence to support the supposed earlier marriage of Hildegarde (mother of Hugues) [See the page of Hildegarde for more]. Nevertheless, the fact that Alo was still alive in 1003×4 would seem to be an argument in favor of Geoffroy's probable father Fulcois being a brother of Hugues.
     "However, the comital title of Fulcois would appear to point in the opposite direction, for there is no indication that the viscounts of Châteaudun during the period 967-1004 had any claim to a comital title, making it seem less likely that count Fuclois was a member of that family. Settipani, who conjectures Fulcois as a son of viscount Geoffroy (I) and Hildegarde in his most recent account [Settipani (2000), 252-3], suggests that the comital title arrived in the family via Hildegarde, who is placed as a possible daughter of count Hervé of Mortagne [ibid., 256-8]. However, this is very conjectural.
     "Chronology should also be considered here. If the conjecture that Melisende was the mother of Hugues du Perche is correct, then we have a possible tight chronology, although it is difficult to measure the extent of the problem because of the uncertainties involved. Although a birth in 980 or later for Hugues du Perche cannot be ruled out, ca. 970 would seem to be a better estimate [see the page of Hugues du Perche]. However, the viscountess Hildegarde appears in a charter whose date is estimated by the editor to be ca. 1020, although it could be as early as 1005 [Cart. S.-Père de Chartres, 1: 117-8 (#6); see the page of Hildegarde]. If the editor's estimated date for Hildegarde's charter is correct, or nearly so, and Hildegarde really was the grandmother of Hugues du Perche, then the chronology between Hildegarde and Hugues would be tight if Hildegarde was born as late as 940. Since female generations are generally shorter than male generations, this chronological tightness would be relieved slightly if the generation between Hildegarde and Hugues were female, i.e., if Melisende were a daughter of Hildegarde. This argument should not be pressed too far, but it does seem to tilt the probability slightly in that direction.
     "None of the above arguments is particularly strong. Thus, even though it was probably the case that Melisende's son Geoffroy was a grandson of the viscountess Hildegarde, it is difficult to say with any degree of confidence whether the intervening generation was Melisende or her husband. Thus, with regard to the parentage of Melisende, all we can do is list some possibilities.“
The Henry Project cites:
** Cart. S.-Père de Chartres = Benjamin Guérard, Cartulaire de l'Abbaye de Saint-Père de Chartres, 2 vols. (Paris, 1840).
** Cuissard (1894-6) = Charles Cuissard, "Chronologie des Vicomtes de Châteaudun (960-1395)", Bulletins de la Société dunoise 8 (1894-6): 25-120.
** Estournet (1928) = "Les origines historiques de Nemours et sa charte de franchises (1170)" (parts I-III), Annales de la Société Historique & Archéologique du Gâtinais 39 (1928): 105-158.
** Lex (1892) = Léonce Lex, Eudes, comte de Blois, de Tours, de Chartres, de Troyes et de Meaux (995-1037) et Thibaud, son frère (995-1004) (Troyes, 1892).
** Romanet (1890-1902) = Vicomte de Romanet, Géographie du Perche et chronologie de ses comtes (Documents sur la province du Perche, ser. 2, no. 1, Mortagne, 1890-1902).
** Saint-Phalle (2000) = Edouard de Saint-Phalle, "Les comtes de Gâtinais aux Xe et XIe siècles", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 230-246.
** Settipani (1997) = Christian Settipani, "Les comtes d'Anjou et leur alliances aux Xe et XIe siècles", in K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, ed., Family Trees and the Roots of Politics (Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1997): 211-267.
** Settipani (2000) = Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leur alliés", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 247-261.²³ She was vicomtesse de Châteaudun between 1028 and 1030.¹⁹

     Roscilla (?) de Blois was born in 925.¹ She married Alain II "le Barbetorte" de Poher Cte de Vannes et de Nantes, Duc de Bretagne, son of Mathuédoï/Matuedo/Malhuedoc I (?) Comte de Poher and NN (?) de Bretagne, between 949 and 951
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His 2nd wife; Her 1st husband.^4,2,5 Roscilla (?) de Blois married Foulques II "le Bon" (?) Comte d'Anjou, son of Foulques I "le Roux" (?) Vcte de Tours et d'Anjou, Cte de Nantes, Cte d'Anjou and Roscille/Roscilla de Loches Dame de Loches, La Haye et Villandry, in 954
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His 2nd wife; Her 2nd husband; Med Lands says m. aft 952; Wikipedia (Fr.) and Racines et Histoire say m. 954.^1,6,7
      ;      NB: The identification of Adelaid de Blois, the wife of Alain II, Duke of Brittany, is made in the Wikipedia article on Alain II, as well as in the Wikipedia article on Adelaide's brother, Theobald I 'le Tricheur', but not in the article on Theobald's father, Theobald 'the Elder'. Racines et Histoire shows an unnamed sister of Theobald I 'le Tricheur' marrying Alain II. Genealogy.EU shows Alain II marrying "Roscille d'Anjou" in 943. Med Lands says he m. an unnamed dauther of Thibuar I 'l'Ancien' Comte de Blois and his 2nd wife Richlde ---. Genealogics says he m. twice, but does not name his 2nd wife. I have assigned Roscilla/Adelaide as the dau. of Theobald I. GA Gaut.^{2,4,8,9,10,5,11,12}

; Per Med Lands:
     "daughter . The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Alanus dux" and "Theobaldum comitem Blesensem…sorore sua"[33]. Given the date of her marriage, and assuming that the estimated birth date of her brother Thibaut [II] is correct as shown above, it is probable that this daughter was born from her father's supposed second marriage. The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Blesensis…sororem suam relictam Alani Barbætortæ ducis" and "Fulconi comiti Andegavensi"[34].
     "m firstly (before [949/51]) as his second wife, ALAIN II Duke of Brittany, son of MATHEDOI [Matuedo] Comte de Poher & his wife --- de Bretagne (in Brittany [before 919]-952).
     "m secondly (after 952) as his second wife, FOULQUES II Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscille de "Loches" ([920]-11 Nov 958). "
Med Lands cites:

; Racines et Histoire says "veuve d'Alain, duc de Bretagne."¹ Roscilla (?) de Blois was also known as Adelaide de Blois.²

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Foulques II «Le Bon» ° 910/20+ 11/11/958 comte d’Anjou (~941/42)
     ép. 1) 937 Gerberge du Maine alias «du Gâtinais» ° 913/15 + 952/53
     ép. 2) ~954 Roscilla de Blois ° 925 (veuve d’Alain, duc de Bretagne.)¹⁴"

     Adelais (?) de Donzy, comtesse de Châlons et Beaune was born circa 950.¹
Adelais (?) de Donzy, comtesse de Châlons et Beaune died on 12 December 975.¹
     ; Per Genealogy.EU: "Geoffroy I "Grisgonelle", Cte d'Anjou (960-987), *938/ca 940, +k.a.21.7.987; 1m: ca 965 Adéle de Donzy (*ca 950 +974); 2m: III.979 Adelaide de Vermandois (*934 +975/978/982), dau.of Duke Giselbert of Burgundy (?)²"

     Yves de Taillebois (?) d'Anjou married Lucie (?) de Mercia.¹

Yves de Taillebois (?) d'Anjou died in 1114.¹

     Beatrice (?) d'Anjou married Ribald (?) comte de Penthièvre, son of Eudes I (?) de Bretagne, Cte de Penthièvre, Co-Regent of Brittany,
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His 2nd wife.^1,2

     Ribald (?) comte de Penthièvre married Beatrice (?) d'Anjou, daughter of Yves de Taillebois (?) d'Anjou and Lucie (?) de Mercia,
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His 2nd wife.^1,2 Ribald (?) comte de Penthièvre married Beatrix(?) Taillebois, daughter of Ivo I Taillebois and Lucia (?) of Alkborough,
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His 1st wife.^3,2
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "RIBALD, illegitimate son of EUDES de Bretagne Comte de Penthievre & his mistress --- . “Ribaldus frater comitis” donated property to St Mary, York, for the soul of “Alani comitis et Beatricis uxoris meæ”, by undated charter[1109]. “Comes Alanus Rufus” donated property to Swavesey Abbey, Cambridgeshire, for the soul of “patris sui Eudonis comitis”, by undated charter witnessed by “…Ribaldus et Bardulfus fratres comitis…”[1110].
     "m [firstly] [BEATRIX], daughter of IVO Taillebois [I] & his wife Lucy ---. Assuming that “genero” in the following document was used in its strict sense of son-in-law, Ribald’s wife was Ivo’s daughter: “Ivo Talliebois” donated property to St Mary, York, for the soul of “uxoris meæ Luciæ”, by undated charter witnessed by “Lucia uxore mea, Ribaldo genero meo, Radulpho Taillebois…”[1111]. The difficulty is that “gener” was sometimes used in medieval documents to indicate brother-in-law. Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records that the "only daughter" of "Ivo Taillebois…[and] his wife the lady Lucia" married "a husband of noble rank" but "died before her father"[1112]. It is possible that this passage refers to the wife of Ribald. Assuming that this was the same wife of Ribald, her name is confirmed by the following document: “Ribaldus frater comitis” donated property to St Mary, York, for the soul of “Alani comitis et Beatricis uxoris meæ”, by undated charter[1113]. However, as Ingulph says that Ivo’s daughter predeceased her father, it is possible that Beatrix was a later wife of Ribald and not Ivo’s daughter.
     "[m secondly BEATRIX, daughter of ---. “Ribaldus frater comitis” donated property to St Mary, York, for the soul of “Alani comitis et Beatricis uxoris meæ”, by undated charter[1114]. As noted above, it is possible that Beatrix was a later wife of Ribald. This assumes that the passage in Ingulph’s Chronicle quoted above is accurate and that Ivo’s “only daughter”, who predeceased her father, was Ribald’s wife.] "
Med Lands cites: GAV-28.

     Guibourg de Mondoubleau married Barthélémy le Riche de Vendôme Chevalier et Prévôt de Vendôme, son of Geoffroy Payen (?) Chevalier de Vendôme, Seigneur du Bouchet, de Crucheray, de Nourray et de Lancé and (?) de La Ferté.^1,3

     EDV-27.

; van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: XIII 111 ; III 724.¹

     (?) de La Ferté married Geoffroy Payen (?) Chevalier de Vendôme, Seigneur du Bouchet, de Crucheray, de Nourray et de Lancé, son of Engelbaud le Breton (?) Chevalier de Vendôme, Seigneur de Crucheray, de Nourray, de Danzé, de Lané, du Temple, de Chauvigny-du-Perche and Hildegarde dite Domitille de Vendôme Dame du Bouchet.^1,3

     EDV-28.