Sarah de Dunstanville1,2

F, #55801, d. 1206
FatherReynold/Rainald "de Dunstanville" (?) Earl of Cornwall1,3,4,2 b. c 1110, d. 1 Jul 1175
MotherBeatrice/Mabel Fitz William2,5 d. 1162
Last Edited12 Apr 2009
     Sarah de Dunstanville married Boson 'Adémar V' (?) Viscount de Limoges, son of Adémar IV de Comborn Vicomte de Limoges and Marguerite de Turenne, in 1156 at Bordeaux, Departement de la Gironde, Aquitaine, France (now).1,6,7

Sarah de Dunstanville died in 1206.2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 769
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977., Gerald Paget, Reference: 1 12.2 Sarah de Dunstanville was also known as Sarra de Crnouailles.8

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Dunstanvill - Earl of Cornwall, p. 184. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sarah de Dunstanville: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139543&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1629] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 April 2004: "CP Addition: Ancestry of the Lords Botreaux"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Apr 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 April 2004."
  4. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrice: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00114020&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Boson 'Adémar V': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139542&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul2.html
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lusignan 1 page (de Lusignan Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/lusignan1.html
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie de Limoges: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00330788&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humberge de Limoges: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00330900&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139540&tree=LEO
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/La_Marche-Perigord.pdf, p.8. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Boson 'Adémar V' (?) Viscount de Limoges1,2,3

M, #55802, d. after July 1199
FatherAdémar IV de Comborn Vicomte de Limoges2,3,4,5 d. 1148
MotherMarguerite de Turenne3,2,6 b. bt 1120 - 1130, d. a 1201
Last Edited24 Jun 2020
     Boson 'Adémar V' (?) Viscount de Limoges married Sarah de Dunstanville, daughter of Reynold/Rainald "de Dunstanville" (?) Earl of Cornwall and Beatrice/Mabel Fitz William, in 1156 at Bordeaux, Departement de la Gironde, Aquitaine, France (now).1,2,3

Boson 'Adémar V' (?) Viscount de Limoges died after July 1199.2,3
      ; Vcte Boson dit Ademar V de Limoges, +1199; m.ca 1156 Sarah, dau.of Reginald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall.3

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 769.2 Boson 'Adémar V' (?) Viscount de Limoges was also known as Aimar VI (?) Vicomte de Limoges.7

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Dunstanvill - Earl of Cornwall, p. 184. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Boson 'Adémar V': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139542&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul2.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adémar IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139546&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMOUSIN.htm#AdemarCombornLimogesdied1148B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Turenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033523&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lusignan 1 page (de Lusignan Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/lusignan1.html
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie de Limoges: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00330788&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humberge de Limoges: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00330900&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139540&tree=LEO
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/La_Marche-Perigord.pdf, p.8. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Reginald de Dunstanville1,2

M, #55803, d. 1175
FatherReynold/Rainald "de Dunstanville" (?) Earl of Cornwall1,2 b. c 1110, d. 1 Jul 1175
Last Edited19 Aug 2004
     Reginald de Dunstanville died in 1175.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Dunstanvill - Earl of Cornwall, p. 184. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html

The Hon., Sir James Elphinstone of Innernochtie1

M, #55804, d. 1612
FatherRobert Elphinstone 3rd Lord Elphinstone1 b. 9 Sep 1530, d. 18 May 1602
MotherMargaret Drummond of Innerpeffray1
Last Edited19 May 2003
     The Hon., Sir James Elphinstone of Innernochtie died in 1612.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition),Elphinston - Lord Balmerinoch, pp. 188-9. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Clemence de Vere1

F, #55805
FatherAubrey IV de Vere 2nd Earl of Oxford1 b. c 1163, d. b Oct 1214
Last Edited21 May 2003
     Clemence de Vere married VeilVitalis Engaine, son of Richard II Engaine Lord of Blatherwick, Northants and Sara de Chesney Lady of Colne,
; his 1st wife, her 2nd husband.1 Clemence de Vere married Sir Jordan de Sackville
; her 1st husband.1
      ; "Clemence, dau. of Aubrey, Earl of Oxford, widow of Sir Jordan de Sackville."1

Family 1

Sir Jordan de Sackville

Family 2

VeilVitalis Engaine b. c 1197, d. 22 Oct 1248

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Engaine - Barons Engaine, p. 189. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Henry Engaine1

M, #55807, d. 1271
FatherVeilVitalis Engaine1 b. c 1197, d. 22 Oct 1248
Last Edited21 May 2003
     Henry Engaine died in 1271; died unmarried, was s. by his brother.1
      ; "Henry Engaine, who in the 42nd Henry III [1257/8] had a military summons to march against the Welsh: but afterwards taking part with the barons, he was involved in the defeat at Evesham, and had his lands sequestered. They were son restored, however, under the Dictum of Kenilworth. This feudal lord never married, and dying in 1271, was s. by his brother, John Engain..."1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Engaine - Barons Engaine, p. 189. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Richard Engaine1

M, #55808, d. 1216
FatherRichard II Engaine Lord of Blatherwick, Northants1,2 b. c 1167, d. 23 Apr 1209
MotherSara de Chesney Lady of Colne1,3 b. c 1167, d. b Apr 1222
Last Edited23 Jun 2006
     Richard Engaine died in 1216.1
      ; "Richard Engaine, one of the insurrectionary barons, in the reign of King John, whose lands were in consequence seized by the crown. He d. in 1216, and was s. by his brother, Vitalis Engaine..."1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Engaine - Barons Engaine, p. 189. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richard Engaine, of Laxton & Pytchley: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00446036&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sara de Chesney: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00446037&tree=LEO

John de Engaine 1st Lord Engaine1

M, #55809, d. 1322
FatherSir John I d'Engaine1 b. c 1227, d. 5 Jan 1297
MotherJoan de Greinville1 b. c 1240, d. a 2 Nov 1305
Last Edited21 May 2003
     John de Engaine 1st Lord Engaine died in 1322.1
      ; "John de Engaine. This feudal lord having distinguished himself in the wars of Scotland, temp. Edward I, was summoned to parliament as a Baron by the monarch, from 6 February, 1299, to 15 May, 1321. His lordship d. however, the next year, when the Barony became Extinct, but his landed property devolved upon his nephew as heir at law, namely - John de Engaine (son of Nicholas de Engaine, by Amicia, dau. of Walter Fauconberg)..."1 He was 1st Lord Engaine on 6 February 1299.1

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Engaine - Barons Engaine, p. 189. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.

Joyeuse/Joyce Engaine1,2

F, #55810, b. circa 1337
FatherSir John Engaine of Laxton, 1st Lord Engaine1,3,2 b. 30 May 1302, d. 16 Feb 1357/58
MotherJoan Peverel1,4,2 d. a 1358
Last Edited8 Apr 2004
     Joyeuse/Joyce Engaine married John de Goldington.1,2
Joyeuse/Joyce Engaine was born circa 1337.2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Complete Peerage 1936 , H.A.Doubleday & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: V 78.2

Family

John de Goldington

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Engaine - Barons Engaine, p. 189. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joyeuse Engaine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429169&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Engaine, of Laxtonhttp://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429163&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan Peverel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429164&tree=LEO

Mary Engaine1,2

F, #55812, b. circa 1343
FatherSir John Engaine of Laxton, 1st Lord Engaine1,3,2 b. 30 May 1302, d. 16 Feb 1357/58
MotherJoan Peverel1,4,2 d. a 1358
Last Edited8 Apr 2004
     Mary Engaine married Sir William Bernak
; her 1st husband.1,2 Mary Engaine married Thomas La Zouche.5
Mary Engaine was born circa 1343.2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Complete Peerage 1936 , H.A.Doubleday & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: V 79.2

Family 1

Thomas La Zouche d. 30 Oct 1404

Family 2

Sir William Bernak

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Engaine - Barons Engaine, p. 189. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mary Engaine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429173&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Engaine, of Laxtonhttp://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429163&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan Peverel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429164&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas la Zouche: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429172&tree=LEO

Sir Thomas Engaine of Laxton, 2nd Lord Engaine1,2

M, #55814, b. circa 1335, d. 29 June 1367
FatherSir John Engaine of Laxton, 1st Lord Engaine1,3,2,4 b. 30 May 1302, d. 16 Feb 1357/58
MotherJoan Peverel1,5,2 d. a 1358
Last Edited31 Aug 2008
     Sir Thomas Engaine of Laxton, 2nd Lord Engaine was born circa 1335.2 He married Lady Katherine de Courtenay, daughter of Sir Hugh de Courtenay KG, 2nd/10th Earl Devon, Lord Courtenay and Margaret de Bohun, on 18 October 1353
; her 2nd husband.1,2,6,7
Sir Thomas Engaine of Laxton, 2nd Lord Engaine died on 29 June 1367; dsp.1,2
      ; "Thomas de Engaine, 2nd Baron, but never summoned to parliament. His lordship m. the Lady Katherine Courtenay, dau. of Hugh, Earl of Devonshire, and widow of Lord Harington, but dying s. p. in 1267, his great landed possessions devolved upon his sisters as co-heirs, while the Barony of Engaine fell into abeyance amongst them, as it still continues with their representatives."1

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant,forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Sir Bernard Burke, Reference: 141
2. The Complete Peerage 1936 , H.A.Doubleday & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: V 77.2

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Engaine - Barons Engaine, p. 189. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Thomas Engaine, of Laxton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075130&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Engaine, of Laxtonhttp://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429163&tree=LEO
  4. [S1971] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 Oct 2005: "Ancestry of the Lords Fauconberg: Thomas fitz Richard de Cuckney"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 Oct 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 Oct 2005."
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan Peverel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429164&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Catherine de Courtenay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075128&tree=LEO
  7. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Courtenay 9: pp. 238-239. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Lady Katherine de Courtenay1,2

F, #55815
FatherSir Hugh de Courtenay KG, 2nd/10th Earl Devon, Lord Courtenay1,2,3,4 b. 12 Jul 1303, d. 2 May 1377
MotherMargaret de Bohun1,2,5 b. 3 Apr 1311, d. 16 Dec 1391
Last Edited31 Aug 2008
     Lady Katherine de Courtenay married Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington, son of Sir Robert de Harington Knt. and Elizabeth de Multon,
; her 1st husband.1,2 Lady Katherine de Courtenay married Sir Thomas Engaine of Laxton, 2nd Lord Engaine, son of Sir John Engaine of Laxton, 1st Lord Engaine and Joan Peverel, on 18 October 1353
; her 2nd husband.1,6,2,4
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant,forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Sir Bernard Burke, Reference: 141.2

; "Lady Katherine Courtenay, dau. of Hugh, Earl of Devonshire, and widow of Lord Harington."1

Family 1

Sir John de Harington 2nd Lord Harington b. c 1328, d. 28 May 1363

Family 2

Sir Thomas Engaine of Laxton, 2nd Lord Engaine b. c 1335, d. 29 Jun 1367

Citations

  1. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Engaine - Barons Engaine, p. 189. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Lady Catherine de Courtenay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075128&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugh de Courtenay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028610&tree=LEO
  4. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Courtenay 9: pp. 238-239. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret de Bohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028611&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Thomas Engaine, of Laxton: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00075130&tree=LEO

Mathew de la Ferte

M, #55817
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited3 Dec 2004
     Mathew de la Ferte married Gundreda Paynel, daughter of Fulk de Paynel and Juliana de Douai.1

     GAV-23.

; said to be descended from a sister of Odo, Bishop of Bayeux.

Citations

  1. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."

Gundreda Paynel1

F, #55818
FatherFulk de Paynel2 d. c 1165
MotherJuliana de Douai1
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited3 Dec 2004
     Gundreda Paynel married Mathew de la Ferte.1

     GAV-23.

Citations

  1. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."
  2. [S1439] I. J. Sanders, English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent 1086-1327 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960), p. 125, note 2. Hereinafter cited as Sanders: English Baronies.

Barthélémy le Riche de Vendôme Chevalier et Prévôt de Vendôme1

M, #55819, d. circa 1147
FatherGeoffroy Payen (?) Chevalier de Vendôme, Seigneur du Bouchet, de Crucheray, de Nourray et de Lancé2 d. 1125
Mother(?) de La Ferté3
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Barthélémy le Riche de Vendôme Chevalier et Prévôt de Vendôme married Guibourg de Mondoubleau, daughter of Hildebert Payen (?) seigneur de Mondoubleau and Aye/Aiga (?).4,5

Barthélémy le Riche de Vendôme Chevalier et Prévôt de Vendôme died circa 1147; died on while on crusade.1
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 724.1 EDV-27. Barthélémy le Riche de Vendôme Chevalier et Prévôt de Vendôme was also known as Barthelemy de Bouchet.6

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Barthélémy de Vendôme: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174699&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy Payen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00474342&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de La Ferté: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00474343&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guibourg de Mondoubleau: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174700&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Barthélémy le Riche de Vendôme: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174699&tree=LEO
  6. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelaide de Vendôme: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165067&tree=LEO

Fulk de Paynel1

M, #55820, d. circa 1165
FatherWilliam Paynel1 d. b 1147
MotherAvice de Rumilly2,3 d. a 1179
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited26 Jul 2020
     Fulk de Paynel married Juliana de Douai, daughter of Robert de Douai.4

Fulk de Paynel died circa 1165.1
      .1 GAV-24.

Citations

  1. [S1439] I. J. Sanders, English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent 1086-1327 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960), p. 125, note 2. Hereinafter cited as Sanders: English Baronies.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#AviceRumillydiedafter1153. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntps.htm#WilliamPaynelDraxdied1147
  4. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."

Juliana de Douai1

F, #55821
FatherRobert de Douai2 d. 1136
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited3 Dec 2004
     Juliana de Douai married Fulk de Paynel, son of William Paynel and Avice de Rumilly.1

     GAV-24.

Family

Fulk de Paynel d. c 1165
Child

Citations

  1. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."
  2. [S1439] I. J. Sanders, English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent 1086-1327 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960). Hereinafter cited as Sanders: English Baronies.

Grecia (?)1

F, #55822
ReferenceGAV23
Last Edited29 Jul 2007
     Grecia (?) married Hubert I de Vaux Lord of Gilsland, son of Robert de Vaux and (?) de Mountchesney.1,2

     GAV-23.

Citations

  1. [S1443] G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom (n.p.: n.pub., 1910). Hereinafter cited as Cokayne: Complete Peerage.
  2. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."
  3. [S2074] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 2 June 2006: "Re: Beatrice, The Wife of William Briwere"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 2 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 2 June 2006."

Hildebert Payen (?) seigneur de Mondoubleau1,2

M, #55823, d. circa 1110
FatherPayen de Fréteval1,3,2 d. 1044
MotherHelvise/Hodierne (?) heiress of Mondoubleau1,2
Last Edited30 Oct 2020
     Hildebert Payen (?) seigneur de Mondoubleau married Aye/Aiga (?) circa 1065.4,2

Hildebert Payen (?) seigneur de Mondoubleau died circa 1110.1

Citations

  1. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Payen de Fréteval: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00474337&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aiga: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165064&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guibourg de Mondoubleau: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174700&tree=LEO
  6. [S1533] Seigneurs de Mondoubleau au Moyen-Age, online http://www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrmondoub.htm, http://www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrmondoub.htm#helvise. Hereinafter cited as Seigneurs de Mondoubleau.
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf, p. 5.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heloise: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00165048&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#HelviseMGeoffroyIIIChateaudun. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Raingarda (?)1

F, #55824, d. after 1056
Last Edited2 Aug 2020
     Raingarda (?) married Guido di Salerno Duke of Sorrento, Conte di Conza, son of Guaimar III di Salerno Principe di Salerno and Gaitelgrima di Capua.1

Raingarda (?) died after 1056.1
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUIDO di Salerno, son of GUAIMAR III Prince of Salerno & his second wife Gaitelgrima of Capua ([1012/13]-before 1077). A charter of Guaimar III Prince of Salerno dated Feb 1032 names "Guidoni et Paldulfi germani eiusdem…potestatis"[1059]. Amatus records that Guaimar IV Prince of Salerno gave the title Duke of Sorrento "to his blood brother Guido", dated to 1039[1060]. The Catalogus Principum Salerni record that "Wido alter, Weimarii frater" ruled in Salerno for two months[1061]. A charter dated Jun 1047 records the presence of "domni…Guaimarii…principis et ducis [et] domnus Guido dux et Paldulfus germani eius…filii…domni Guaimarii principis" at a donation, with "Atenolfum comitem filium quondam Landolfi comitis, et…Iohannem comitem filium quondam Alfani comitis" named as guarantors[1062]. "Guido…dux qui fuit filius gloriose recordationis domini Guaimarii principis et domna Raingarda duce uxor illius filia Landonis comitis coniuncti" sold property to "Sicenolfo gastaldo filio quondam Sicenolfi" by charter dated Apr 1056 which names "Iohannem comitem generum eorum filium Guaimarii comitis" as fiduciary[1063]. Conte di Conza. Amatus records that Guido escaped death when his brother Prince Guaimar was murdered, fled to the Normans, and with their help expelled the conspirators from Salerno within a week[1064].
     "m RAINGARDA, daughter of LANDO Conte di Caiazzo & his wife --- (-after 1056). "Guido…dux qui fuit filius gloriose recordationis domini Guaimarii principis et domna Raingarda duce uxor illius filia Landonis comitis coniuncti" sold property to "Sicenolfo gastaldo filio quondam Sicenolfi" by charter dated Apr 1056 which names "Iohannem comitem generum eorum filium Guaimarii comitis" as fiduciary[1065]."
Med Lands cites:
[1059] Codex Diplomaticus Cavensis Tome V, DCCCXLIII, p. 214.
[1060] Amatus II.7, p. 66.
[1061] Catalogus Principum Salerni, MGH SS III, p. 211.
[1062] Codex Diplomaticus Cavensis Tome VII, MLXXXIII, p. 41.
[1063] Stasser (2008), p. 120, quoting Codex Diplomaticus Cavensis Tome X, II, p. 6.
[1064] Amatus III.28 and III.31, pp. 96 and 97.2


; Per Med Lands: "RAINGARDA (-after 1056). m GUIDO di Salerno, son of GUAIMAR III Prince of Salerno & his second wife Gaitelgrima of Capua ([1012/13]-before 1077). Duke of Salerno 1039. Conte di Conza."1

Family

Guido di Salerno Duke of Sorrento, Conte di Conza b. bt 1012 - 1013, d. b 1077
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#RaingardaCaiazzoMGuidoSalerno. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#GuidoSalernodied1077B.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SOUTHERN%20ITALY,%20PRE-NORMAN.htm#MariaSalernoMGuillaumeHauteville.

Robert de Douai1

M, #55825, d. 1136
FatherWalter de Douai1 d. 1107
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited3 Dec 2004
     Robert de Douai died in 1136.1
     GAV-25.

Robert de Douai lived at Bampton, Devonshire, England.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1439] I. J. Sanders, English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent 1086-1327 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960). Hereinafter cited as Sanders: English Baronies.

Payen de Fréteval1,2

M, #55826, d. 1044
FatherNivelon I de Fréteval seigneur de Fréteval et de Meslay3,4,2
MotherErmentrude (?)3,5,2
ReferenceEDV29
Last Edited7 Nov 2020
     Payen de Fréteval married Helvise/Hodierne (?) heiress of Mondoubleau, daughter of Eudes/Odon Dubleau I de Mondoubleau seigneur de Mondoubleau and Plaisante/Plaisance/Placentia de Montoire,
; her 1st husband.1,2,6
Payen de Fréteval died in 1044 at died in the siege of Freteval, Freteval, France; slain in battle against Geoffrey Martel, count of Anjoy.7,2
     EDV-29.

Citations

  1. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Payen de Fréteval: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00474337&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 22 May 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 22 May 2003, FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs de Freteval," www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrfreteval.htm.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nivelon I de Fréteval: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00298502&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrude: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00298503&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  7. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 22 May 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 22 May 2003, 6. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs du Haut Vendomois,"
    www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrvendom1.htm
    7. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs du Bas Vendomois,"
    www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrvendom2.htm
    8. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau,"
    www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrmondoub.htm
    9. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs de Freteval,"
    www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrfreteval.htm.

Helvise/Hodierne (?) heiress of Mondoubleau1,2

F, #55827
FatherEudes/Odon Dubleau I de Mondoubleau seigneur de Mondoubleau3,2 d. c 1056
MotherPlaisante/Plaisance/Placentia de Montoire3,2
Last Edited30 Oct 2020
     Helvise/Hodierne (?) heiress of Mondoubleau married Payen de Fréteval, son of Nivelon I de Fréteval seigneur de Fréteval et de Meslay and Ermentrude (?),
; her 1st husband.1,4,2 Helvise/Hodierne (?) heiress of Mondoubleau married Hamelin II de Langeais.5

Family 1

Hamelin II de Langeais

Citations

  1. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 22 May 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 22 May 2003, FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrmondoub.htm.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Payen de Fréteval: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00474337&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 22 May 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 22 May 2003, 6. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs du Haut Vendomois,"
    www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrvendom1.htm
    7. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs du Bas Vendomois,"
    www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrvendom2.htm
    8. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau,"
    www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrmondoub.htm
    9. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs de Freteval,"
    www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrfreteval.htm.

Ralph Paynel de Moûtiers-Hubert, Normandy, Drax and Hooton, Yorkshire1

M, #55829, d. before 1125
Father(?) de Paynel de Moûtiers-Hubert (Normandy), Drax and Hooton (Yorkshire)2
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited27 Jul 2020
     Ralph Paynel de Moûtiers-Hubert, Normandy, Drax and Hooton, Yorkshire married Maud de Surdeval, daughter of Richard de Surdeval,
;
His 2nd wife.3,2 Ralph Paynel de Moûtiers-Hubert, Normandy, Drax and Hooton, Yorkshire married Unknown (?)
;
His 1st wife. Per ODNB "a possible marriage to Ilbert's [I de Lacy] sister or daughter."2,4
Ralph Paynel de Moûtiers-Hubert, Normandy, Drax and Hooton, Yorkshire died before 1125; Med Lands says d. aft 1088; Saunders says d. bef 1125; ODNB says d. bef 1124.5,2,1
     GAV-26.

; This is the same person as ”Ralph Paynel” at Wikipedia.6 Ralph Paynel de Moûtiers-Hubert, Normandy, Drax and Hooton, Yorkshire was also known as Ralph de Paynel de Moûtiers-Hubert, Normandy, Drax and Hooton, Yorkshire.5,2

Reference: Per Med Lands:
     "RALPH Paynell (-after 1088). Ellis says that "it is all but certain that [Ralph Paynel] was a younger son of the seigneur of Moûtiers-Hubert near Lisieux, and had been with his elder brother William at the battle of Hastings"[94]. He appears to base this on the Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, which names "Paomiel [which Ellis transcribes as "Painals"] de Moustier-Hubert" among those who took part in the conquest of England in 1066[95]. Domesday Book records “Ralph Paynel” holding Stockland, East Quantoxhead, Beggearn Huish, West Bagborough and Newhall in Somerset; Drax and other properties in Yorkshire[96]. He held Irnham, Lincolnshire in Domesday book[97]. Sheriff of Yorkshire 1088[98]. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of land “in Millingtona et in Hugeth…et…in Howald” by “Radulphus Painel”[99]. "Hugh de Beauchamp, Ralph Paganel" witnessed the charter dated to [1094/1100] under which William II King of England granted a market to St Mary of Thorney[100].
     "m firstly ---. This supposed earlier marriage is suggested by the Complete Peerage which states that land held by Ralph Paynell as a Domesday tenant-in-chief, including Drax in Yorkshire, Irnham in Lincolnshire, and manors in Somerset and Devon, passed "to[ his son William, presumably by an earlier marriage"[101].]
     "m [secondly] MAUD, daughter of [RICHARD de Surdeval & his wife ---]. The Complete Peerage states that land in Yorkshire, including the manor of Hooton (Paynell), were acquired by Ralph Paynell "through his marriage to Maud, presumed to be daughter of Richard de Surdeval"[102]."
Med Lands cites:
[94] Ellis ‘Landholders of Gloucestershire’, p. 148.
[95] Extrait de la Chronique de Normandie, RHGF XIII, p. 237.
[96] Domesday Translation, Somerset, XXVII, p. 267, Yorkshire, XVII, pp. 840-1.
[97] CP VIII 284.
[98] CP X 319.
[99] Dugdale Monasticon III, York St Mary, V, p. 548.
[100] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum (1913), Vol. I, 477, p. 115.
[101] CP VIII 284, footnote d.
[102] CP VIII 284, footnote d.2,4

; Per Med Lands: "The early generations of this family have been reconstructed from secondary sources, which appear reliable but do not cite the corresponding primary sources. The individuals are shown below in square brackets. The result appears convincing, but should not be taken as the final answer."
"[Two] brothers:
1. [WILLIAM Paynell (-[1087]).
2. RALPH Paynell (-after 1088)."2

; NB: There is a disagreement regarding the lineage of the English side of the Paynel family between the "Paynel family" article in and the lineage as laid out in Med Lands.


     I. ODNB says that a Ralph Paynel (d. bef 1124) was the 1st English representative of the family, and gives no origin for Ralph. It assigns Ralph two possible wives, m1 NN de Lacy and m2 Maud de Surdeval. Ralph's heir was his son William (d. 1145x7). Per ODNB:
I.0. Unnamed ancestor
I.1. Ralph (d. bef 1124), m1 NN de Lacy, m2 Maud de Surdeval; he had a son:
-----> I.1.1 William (d. 1145x7), m1 NN d'Avranches, and had four sons and one dau.:
-----> I.1.2.1 Hugh I (d. c a 1179)
-----> I.1.2.2 Fulk I (d. 1182/3), m. Lesceline de Grippon or de Subligny
-----> I.1.2.3
-----> I.1.2.4 (not named)
-----> I.1.2.5 (not named)
          m2 Avice de Rumillly (d. ca 1176), and had one dau.:
-----> I.1.2.5 Alice


     II. Med Lands says that the early English Ralph was brother of another William (d. 1087), who was the father of the William (the heir, d. aft 1145). Thus, Ralph was the uncle, not father, of the William (the heir, d. aft 1145). Per Med Lands:
II.0. NN Paynel, he had two sons:
-----> II.1. William (d1087), had a son:
----------> II.1.1. William (d aft 1145) m. NN d'Avranches; he had two sons:
---------------> II.1.1.1. Hugh (d 1180 or bef) m. Nicole NN
---------------> II.1.1.2 Fulk I (d 1182), m. Lesceline de Subligny
-----> II.2. Ralph (d. aft 1088), m1 NN, m2 Maud de Surdeval; he had a son
----------> II.2.1 William (d aft 1147), m. Avice de Rumilly
Conclusion: The differences between ODNB and Med Lands are more complicated than this simple presentation (in assignments of children, names of spouses, etc.) It is tempting to read into this that Med Lands has confused two Williams (II.1.1 and II.2.1); but there is no proof of that. Perhaps the common father for William II.1 and Ralph II.2 is mythical or perhaps William II.1 was in fact the of William II.1.1 and Ralph II.2. For the moment this is just speculation on my part, and I have chosen to follow the more complicated Med Lands lineage, though I continue to study the issue. GA Vaut.4,2,7 He was living in 1089.6

; Per the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: "Ralph's lands in Drax, Yorkshire, and Middle Rasen, Lincolnshire, passed by 1124 to his eldest surviving son, William (I) Paynel (d. 1145x7), who may also have secured possession of Les Moutiers-Hubert and Hambye in Normandy through him, and added further holdings in Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire to the Paynel honour."4

Family 1

Unknown (?)

Family 2

Maud de Surdeval
Child

Citations

  1. [S4758] Genealogies delle Famiglie Nobili Italiane, online <http://www.sardimpex.com/>, Paynel Family: https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/53593. Hereinafter cited as Shamà: Genealogie delle Famiglie Nobili Italiane.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntps.htm#_Toc21095947. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1441] John P. Ravilious, "Therav email 22 May 2003: de Chaworth of Kempsford and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 22 May 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 22 May 2003."
  4. [S2286] Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online http://oxforddnb.com/index/, Paynel Family: https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/53593. Hereinafter cited as ODNB - Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
  5. [S1439] I. J. Sanders, English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent 1086-1327 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960). Hereinafter cited as Sanders: English Baronies.
  6. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Paynel. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  7. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 27 July 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntps.htm#WilliamPaynelDraxdied1147

Maud de Surdeval1

F, #55830
FatherRichard de Surdeval1
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited27 Jul 2020
     Maud de Surdeval married Ralph Paynel de Moûtiers-Hubert, Normandy, Drax and Hooton, Yorkshire, son of (?) de Paynel de Moûtiers-Hubert (Normandy), Drax and Hooton (Yorkshire),
;
His 2nd wife.1,2
     Reference: Per Med Lands:
     "RALPH Paynell (-after 1088). Ellis says that "it is all but certain that [Ralph Paynel] was a younger son of the seigneur of Moûtiers-Hubert near Lisieux, and had been with his elder brother William at the battle of Hastings"[94]. He appears to base this on the Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, which names "Paomiel [which Ellis transcribes as "Painals"] de Moustier-Hubert" among those who took part in the conquest of England in 1066[95]. Domesday Book records “Ralph Paynel” holding Stockland, East Quantoxhead, Beggearn Huish, West Bagborough and Newhall in Somerset; Drax and other properties in Yorkshire[96]. He held Irnham, Lincolnshire in Domesday book[97]. Sheriff of Yorkshire 1088[98]. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of land “in Millingtona et in Hugeth…et…in Howald” by “Radulphus Painel”[99]. "Hugh de Beauchamp, Ralph Paganel" witnessed the charter dated to [1094/1100] under which William II King of England granted a market to St Mary of Thorney[100].
     "m firstly ---. This supposed earlier marriage is suggested by the Complete Peerage which states that land held by Ralph Paynell as a Domesday tenant-in-chief, including Drax in Yorkshire, Irnham in Lincolnshire, and manors in Somerset and Devon, passed "to[ his son William, presumably by an earlier marriage"[101].]
     "m [secondly] MAUD, daughter of [RICHARD de Surdeval & his wife ---]. The Complete Peerage states that land in Yorkshire, including the manor of Hooton (Paynell), were acquired by Ralph Paynell "through his marriage to Maud, presumed to be daughter of Richard de Surdeval"[102]."
Med Lands cites:
[94] Ellis ‘Landholders of Gloucestershire’, p. 148.
[95] Extrait de la Chronique de Normandie, RHGF XIII, p. 237.
[96] Domesday Translation, Somerset, XXVII, p. 267, Yorkshire, XVII, pp. 840-1.
[97] CP VIII 284.
[98] CP X 319.
[99] Dugdale Monasticon III, York St Mary, V, p. 548.
[100] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum (1913), Vol. I, 477, p. 115.
[101] CP VIII 284, footnote d.
[102] CP VIII 284, footnote d.2,3
GAV-26.

Citations

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