Agnes von Eberstein1
F, #93031
Father | Eberhard III von Eberstein Graf von Eberstein1,2 d. bt 1218 - 1219 |
Mother | Kunigunde (?) Grafin von Andechs1 d. a 1207 |
Last Edited | 12 Nov 2020 |
Agnes von Eberstein married Friedrich II von Saarbrücken Graf von Leiningen, son of Simon II (?) Graf von Saarbrücken and Luitgarde (?) von Leiningen.1,3
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band IV, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Page 132.1 Agnes von Eberstein was living in 1221.1
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band IV, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Page 132.1 Agnes von Eberstein was living in 1221.1
Family | Friedrich II von Saarbrücken Graf von Leiningen b. c 1186, d. 1237 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes von Eberstein: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033340&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BADEN.htm#EberhardIIIEbersteindied1218A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II von Saarbrücken: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105518&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Friedrich III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105508&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emich IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064039&tree=LEO
Emich IV (?) Graf von Leiningen in Landeck1
M, #93032, b. circa 1215, d. 1281
Father | Friedrich II von Saarbrücken Graf von Leiningen1 b. c 1186, d. 1237 |
Mother | Agnes von Eberstein1 |
Last Edited | 5 Mar 2020 |
Emich IV (?) Graf von Leiningen in Landeck married Elisabeth d'Aspremont, daughter of Joffroi/Geoffroi II d'Aspremont Sire d'Aspremont et de Dun and Laurette (?) Gräfin von Saarbrücken,
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His 1st marriage.1,2 Emich IV (?) Graf von Leiningen in Landeck was born circa 1215.1 He married Margarethe von Hengebach, daughter of Eberhard III von Hengebach Vogt von Zülpich and Elizabeth von Hochstaden, on 15 March 1265
;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.3
Emich IV (?) Graf von Leiningen in Landeck died in 1281.1
; Per Genealogics:
"Emich was born about 1215, the second son of Friedrich II von Saarbrücken, Graf von Leiningen, and Agnes von Eberstein. In 1234 he married a daughter, probably called Elisabeth, of Joffroi II d'Aspremont, sire d'Aspremont et de Dun, and Laurette, Gräfin von Saarbrücken, Emich was a first cousin of his mother-in-law. They had a son Emich and three daughters, all of whom would have progeny. On 15 March 1265 he married Margarethe von Hengebach, widow of Simon I, Graf von Sponheim, and the daughter of Eberhard III von Hengebach, Vogt von Zülpich, and Elisabeth von Hochstaden. This marriage did not result in progeny.
"After his father's death in 1237 a dispute over the inheritance arose between him and his brother Friedrich III, which was resolved through the mediation of their maternal uncle, bishop Konrad V of Speyer, by the division of the inheritance. Emich received the Leiningen half of the castle of Landeck (first mentioned officially in this context) with its associated lands and the rights, and he became the founder of the short-lived line of Leiningen-Landeck. The family castle Altleiningen was jointly owned, but as Friedrich III did not wish to live there with his brother, about 1240 Friedrich built for himself the castle of Neuleiningen five kilometres to the northeast.
"As well as the shared castle of Landeck, which was an imperial fief from 1222 at the latest, and was held jointly with the counts of Zweibrücken-Bitsch, Emich also received the castle of Maden and the villages of Waldhambach, Waldrohrbach, Eschbach, Ranschbach, Arzheim, Nussdorf, Dammheim, Queichheim, Mühlhausen, Servelingen, Eutzingen and Oberbornheim. Emich was a trusted follower of the counts palatine. In 1248 Pfalzgraf Otto II 'der Erlauchte', Herzog von Bayern, appointed him as guardian of the castle of Winzingen near Neustadt, and in 1277 Otto's grandson Pfalzgraf Rudolf I 'der Stammler', Herzog von Bayern, gave him the castle of Wachten as a mesne-fief.
"In order to secure the castle of Landeck, in 1260 Emich built an additional fortification on the plain below it, in the area of the four villages Mühlhausen, Servelingen, Eutzingen and Oberbornheim. With the relocation of the residents of these villages, the community of Landau was established within a few years. In 1274 King Rudolf I von Habsburg granted the young community town rights and the right to hold a weekly market. To ensure the pastoral care of his new town, Emich in 1276 summoned Augustinian canons from the abbey of Steige in Zabern, Alsace. They established the 'Stiegerherren' religious community in Landau. Papal confirmation of the abbey 'Monasterium sancte Marie de Steiga', later called 'Monasterium beatae Virginis Mariae ad Scalas', occurred only in 1285 and 1289.
"Emich died in 1281 and was succeeded by Emich V. When he was killed in battle eight years later (in 1289) and his young son died a few months after that, the line of Leiningen-Landeck died out. The castle of Maden reverted to the crown, and was given, along with the surrounding villages, by King Rudolf I in 1290 to his nephew (by marriage) Otto III von Ochsenstein, Landvogt im Elsass, who was also the father-in-law of Emich V; the other half of Landeck remained in the possession of the counts of Zweibrücken-Bitsch. However in 1291 Rudolf declared Landau an imperial city."1
Reference: Genealogics cites:
;
His 1st marriage.1,2 Emich IV (?) Graf von Leiningen in Landeck was born circa 1215.1 He married Margarethe von Hengebach, daughter of Eberhard III von Hengebach Vogt von Zülpich and Elizabeth von Hochstaden, on 15 March 1265
;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.3
Emich IV (?) Graf von Leiningen in Landeck died in 1281.1
; Per Genealogics:
"Emich was born about 1215, the second son of Friedrich II von Saarbrücken, Graf von Leiningen, and Agnes von Eberstein. In 1234 he married a daughter, probably called Elisabeth, of Joffroi II d'Aspremont, sire d'Aspremont et de Dun, and Laurette, Gräfin von Saarbrücken, Emich was a first cousin of his mother-in-law. They had a son Emich and three daughters, all of whom would have progeny. On 15 March 1265 he married Margarethe von Hengebach, widow of Simon I, Graf von Sponheim, and the daughter of Eberhard III von Hengebach, Vogt von Zülpich, and Elisabeth von Hochstaden. This marriage did not result in progeny.
"After his father's death in 1237 a dispute over the inheritance arose between him and his brother Friedrich III, which was resolved through the mediation of their maternal uncle, bishop Konrad V of Speyer, by the division of the inheritance. Emich received the Leiningen half of the castle of Landeck (first mentioned officially in this context) with its associated lands and the rights, and he became the founder of the short-lived line of Leiningen-Landeck. The family castle Altleiningen was jointly owned, but as Friedrich III did not wish to live there with his brother, about 1240 Friedrich built for himself the castle of Neuleiningen five kilometres to the northeast.
"As well as the shared castle of Landeck, which was an imperial fief from 1222 at the latest, and was held jointly with the counts of Zweibrücken-Bitsch, Emich also received the castle of Maden and the villages of Waldhambach, Waldrohrbach, Eschbach, Ranschbach, Arzheim, Nussdorf, Dammheim, Queichheim, Mühlhausen, Servelingen, Eutzingen and Oberbornheim. Emich was a trusted follower of the counts palatine. In 1248 Pfalzgraf Otto II 'der Erlauchte', Herzog von Bayern, appointed him as guardian of the castle of Winzingen near Neustadt, and in 1277 Otto's grandson Pfalzgraf Rudolf I 'der Stammler', Herzog von Bayern, gave him the castle of Wachten as a mesne-fief.
"In order to secure the castle of Landeck, in 1260 Emich built an additional fortification on the plain below it, in the area of the four villages Mühlhausen, Servelingen, Eutzingen and Oberbornheim. With the relocation of the residents of these villages, the community of Landau was established within a few years. In 1274 King Rudolf I von Habsburg granted the young community town rights and the right to hold a weekly market. To ensure the pastoral care of his new town, Emich in 1276 summoned Augustinian canons from the abbey of Steige in Zabern, Alsace. They established the 'Stiegerherren' religious community in Landau. Papal confirmation of the abbey 'Monasterium sancte Marie de Steiga', later called 'Monasterium beatae Virginis Mariae ad Scalas', occurred only in 1285 and 1289.
"Emich died in 1281 and was succeeded by Emich V. When he was killed in battle eight years later (in 1289) and his young son died a few months after that, the line of Leiningen-Landeck died out. The castle of Maden reverted to the crown, and was given, along with the surrounding villages, by King Rudolf I in 1290 to his nephew (by marriage) Otto III von Ochsenstein, Landvogt im Elsass, who was also the father-in-law of Emich V; the other half of Landeck remained in the possession of the counts of Zweibrücken-Bitsch. However in 1291 Rudolf declared Landau an imperial city."1
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 4:24
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band IV, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Tafel 20.1
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band IV, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Tafel 20.1
Family 1 | Elisabeth d'Aspremont |
Children |
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Family 2 | Margarethe von Hengebach d. b Feb 1299 |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emich IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064039&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, 'Elisabeth' d'Aspremont: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064040&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margarethe von Hengebach: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00065096&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064041&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PALATINATE.htm#EmichVLeiningendied1289. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunigunde von Leiningen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105600&tree=LEO
Heinrich III von Kessel Graf von Kessel1
M, #93033, d. circa 1189
Last Edited | 12 Nov 2020 |
Heinrich III von Kessel Graf von Kessel married Alveradis van Cuyck, daughter of Hendrik II van Cuyck Stadgraff van Utrecht and Sophia van Renen Heiress of Herpen,
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Her 1st husband.1
Heinrich III von Kessel Graf von Kessel died circa 1189.1
; Per Med Lands:
"ALVERADIS van Kuyc (-after [1220/26]). The primary source which confirms her parentage and two marriages has not yet been identified. "Theodericus de Vorren et Alveradis uxor mea" confirmed the donation "in terra nostra in Somerlant" to Ter Does abbey by charter dated to [1220/26][1005].
"m firstly HEINRICH [III] Graf von Kessel, son of --- (-1189 or after).
"m secondly (1197) DIRK Heer van Voorne, son of --- (-after May 1223). "
Med Lands cites: [1005] Oorkondenboek Holland (Supplement), 58, p. 35.2
; Per Med Lands:
"HEINRICH [III] von Kessel (-1189 or after). Graf von Kessel. Kloster Gladbach bought property in Razlinden by charter dated 1172 witnessed by "Henrico duce de Lenburch, Alberto comite de Molbach, Henrico comite de Kesle, Engilberto comite de Monte, Herimanno comite de Mulennarchen…"[446]. Philipp Archbishop of Köln confirmed the donation of property at Senheim made to the archbishopric by "comite Henrico de Kessele et a Warnero de Brunishor et ab Emmelrico de Reinbag" by charter dated 1188[447]. "…Brunone preposito s. Marie in Colonia eiusque fratre Euerhardo comite de Seyne, Theoderico comite de Widhe et filio eius Theoderico clerico, Reginhere comite de Froisbrecht, Ulrico comite de Nurberg et eius filio Gerhardo comite de Are, Gerhardo comite de Dietsa, Bertholdo comite de Kazinelelnboge, Ludeuico comite de Spanheim, Simone comite de Sarebrucke, Henrico comite de Kessele…" witnessed the charter dated 1189 under which Philipp Archbishop of Köln granted "castrum Stakelecke et advocatiam in Bacherache" to "palatini comitis Cuonradi…et eius iugali domine Irmentrudi eiusque filie Agneti"[448].
"m as her first husband, ALVERADIS van Kuyc, daughter of HENDRIK [II] van Kuyc & his wife Sophie van Renen. The primary source which confirms her parentage and two marriages has not yet been identified. She married secondly Dirk van Voorne. "Theodericus de Vorren et Alveradis uxor mea" confirmed the donation "in terra nostra in Somerlant" to Ter Does abbey by charter dated to [1220/26][449].
"Heinrich [III] & his wife had one child."
Med Lands cites:
;
Her 1st husband.1
Heinrich III von Kessel Graf von Kessel died circa 1189.1
; Per Med Lands:
"ALVERADIS van Kuyc (-after [1220/26]). The primary source which confirms her parentage and two marriages has not yet been identified. "Theodericus de Vorren et Alveradis uxor mea" confirmed the donation "in terra nostra in Somerlant" to Ter Does abbey by charter dated to [1220/26][1005].
"m firstly HEINRICH [III] Graf von Kessel, son of --- (-1189 or after).
"m secondly (1197) DIRK Heer van Voorne, son of --- (-after May 1223). "
Med Lands cites: [1005] Oorkondenboek Holland (Supplement), 58, p. 35.2
; Per Med Lands:
"HEINRICH [III] von Kessel (-1189 or after). Graf von Kessel. Kloster Gladbach bought property in Razlinden by charter dated 1172 witnessed by "Henrico duce de Lenburch, Alberto comite de Molbach, Henrico comite de Kesle, Engilberto comite de Monte, Herimanno comite de Mulennarchen…"[446]. Philipp Archbishop of Köln confirmed the donation of property at Senheim made to the archbishopric by "comite Henrico de Kessele et a Warnero de Brunishor et ab Emmelrico de Reinbag" by charter dated 1188[447]. "…Brunone preposito s. Marie in Colonia eiusque fratre Euerhardo comite de Seyne, Theoderico comite de Widhe et filio eius Theoderico clerico, Reginhere comite de Froisbrecht, Ulrico comite de Nurberg et eius filio Gerhardo comite de Are, Gerhardo comite de Dietsa, Bertholdo comite de Kazinelelnboge, Ludeuico comite de Spanheim, Simone comite de Sarebrucke, Henrico comite de Kessele…" witnessed the charter dated 1189 under which Philipp Archbishop of Köln granted "castrum Stakelecke et advocatiam in Bacherache" to "palatini comitis Cuonradi…et eius iugali domine Irmentrudi eiusque filie Agneti"[448].
"m as her first husband, ALVERADIS van Kuyc, daughter of HENDRIK [II] van Kuyc & his wife Sophie van Renen. The primary source which confirms her parentage and two marriages has not yet been identified. She married secondly Dirk van Voorne. "Theodericus de Vorren et Alveradis uxor mea" confirmed the donation "in terra nostra in Somerlant" to Ter Does abbey by charter dated to [1220/26][449].
"Heinrich [III] & his wife had one child."
Med Lands cites:
[446] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 443, p. 309.
[447] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 509, p. 357.
[448] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch II, 96, p. 133.
[449] Fremery, J. de (1901) Oorkondenboek van Holland en Zeeland, Supplement (The Hague) ("Oorkondenboek Holland (Supplement)"), 58, p. 35.1
[447] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 509, p. 357.
[448] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch II, 96, p. 133.
[449] Fremery, J. de (1901) Oorkondenboek van Holland en Zeeland, Supplement (The Hague) ("Oorkondenboek Holland (Supplement)"), 58, p. 35.1
Family | Alveradis van Cuyck b. c 1165, d. c 1226 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMBURG.htm#HeinrichIIIKesseldied1189. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/DUTCH%20NOBILITY.htm#AlveradisCuykMDirkVoorne
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LIMBURG.htm#HeinrichKesselMUdelhildHengebach
Elisabeth d'Aspremont1
F, #93034
Father | Joffroi/Geoffroi II d'Aspremont Sire d'Aspremont et de Dun1,2 b. b 1221, d. Jan 1250 |
Mother | Laurette (?) Gräfin von Saarbrücken1 d. a 13 Nov 1270 |
Last Edited | 25 Aug 2020 |
Elisabeth d'Aspremont married Emich IV (?) Graf von Leiningen in Landeck, son of Friedrich II von Saarbrücken Graf von Leiningen and Agnes von Eberstein,
;
His 1st marriage.3,1
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band IV, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Page 20.1
;
His 1st marriage.3,1
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, Band IV, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Page 20.1
Family | Emich IV (?) Graf von Leiningen in Landeck b. c 1215, d. 1281 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, 'Elisabeth' d'Aspremont: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064040&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joffroi II d'Aspremont: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00315594&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emich IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064039&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064041&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PALATINATE.htm#EmichVLeiningendied1289. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunigunde von Leiningen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105600&tree=LEO
Kunigunde von Leiningen Heiress of Gosney, Foulcrey & Bigny1
F, #93035, b. circa 1259, d. before 1311
Father | Emich IV (?) Graf von Leiningen in Landeck2,1 b. c 1215, d. 1281 |
Mother | Elisabeth d'Aspremont1 |
Last Edited | 18 Oct 2019 |
Kunigunde von Leiningen Heiress of Gosney, Foulcrey & Bigny was born circa 1259.1 She married Heinrich I (?) Seigneur de Blâmont, son of Friedrich I (?) Graf zu Salm, Seigneur de Blamont and Jeanne/Joanna de Bar, before January 1267.1,3
Kunigunde von Leiningen Heiress of Gosney, Foulcrey & Bigny died before 1311.1
; Per Genealogics: "Kunigunde was born about 1259, the daughter of Emich IV, Graf von Leiningen in Landeck, and his first wife 'Elisabeth' d'Aspremont. Before January 1267 she married Heinrich I, seigneur de Blâmont, son of Friedrich, Graf zu Salm, seigneur de Blâmont, and Johanna de Bar. Their sons Heinrich II and Emich and daughters Marguerite and Isabella would have progeny, Marguerite with Jean I de Bourgogne, seigneur de Montaigu, and Isabella with Eudes V de Grancey, sire de Grancey. Kunigunde died before 1311, more than twenty years before her husband. The sarcophagus holding her remains and those of her husband Heinrich is in the Church of the Cordeliers in Nancy, the former capital of the duchy of Lorraine."1
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 4:24.1
Kunigunde von Leiningen Heiress of Gosney, Foulcrey & Bigny died before 1311.1
; Per Genealogics: "Kunigunde was born about 1259, the daughter of Emich IV, Graf von Leiningen in Landeck, and his first wife 'Elisabeth' d'Aspremont. Before January 1267 she married Heinrich I, seigneur de Blâmont, son of Friedrich, Graf zu Salm, seigneur de Blâmont, and Johanna de Bar. Their sons Heinrich II and Emich and daughters Marguerite and Isabella would have progeny, Marguerite with Jean I de Bourgogne, seigneur de Montaigu, and Isabella with Eudes V de Grancey, sire de Grancey. Kunigunde died before 1311, more than twenty years before her husband. The sarcophagus holding her remains and those of her husband Heinrich is in the Church of the Cordeliers in Nancy, the former capital of the duchy of Lorraine."1
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 4:24.1
Family | Heinrich I (?) Seigneur de Blâmont b. c 1242, d. a 10 Nov 1331 |
Child |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunigunde von Leiningen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105600&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emich IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064039&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heinrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105599&tree=LEO
Marguerite de Bourgogne1
F, #93036
Father | Hugues "de Châlons" (?) Count Palatine of Bourgogne, sn de Salins1,2,3,4 b. 1220, d. a 12 Nov 1266 |
Mother | Adelheid/Alix (?) de Méranie, comtesse Palatin de Bourgogne,1 d. 8 Mar 1279 |
Last Edited | 15 Dec 2019 |
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 2:60.1
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Bourgogne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106332&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues 'de Chalons': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026204&tree=LEO
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh,_Count_of_Burgundy. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20Kingdom.htm#Huguesdied1266B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
Adèle/Adelheid (?)1,2
F, #93037
Father | Eudes (Odo) II de Blois Comte de Blois, de Chartres, de Châteaudun, de Tours, de Beauvais, de Troyes, de Meaux et de Sancerre2 b. c 985, d. 15 Nov 1037 |
Last Edited | 19 Oct 2019 |
Adèle/Adelheid (?) married Geoffroy II Martel (?) Comte d'Anjou et de Tours, son of Foulques III "The Black", (?) Comte d'Anjou and Hildegarde (?) de Sundgau (Metz), Countess of Anjou,
;
His 3rd wife.1 Adèle/Adelheid (?) and Geoffroy II Martel (?) Comte d'Anjou et de Tours were divorced.2
; Wikipedia says Adèle was " the daughter of a "Count Odo", perhaps Odo II, Count of Blois."2
Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 140.1
;
His 3rd wife.1 Adèle/Adelheid (?) and Geoffroy II Martel (?) Comte d'Anjou et de Tours were divorced.2
; Wikipedia says Adèle was " the daughter of a "Count Odo", perhaps Odo II, Count of Blois."2
Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 140.1
Family | Geoffroy II Martel (?) Comte d'Anjou et de Tours b. 14 Oct 1006, d. 14 Nov 1067 |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020878&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_II,_Count_of_Anjou. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
Immed III (?)1
M, #93038, d. 27 January 983
Father | Immed I (II) (?)1 d. 954 |
Last Edited | 20 Aug 2020 |
Immed III (?) died on 27 January 983.1
; Per Med Lands:
"[IMMED [III] (-27 Jan 983). Widukind records that Meinwerk Bishop of Paderborn was "paterno genere a Thiedrico Mathilde reginæ fratre"[86]. Graf in Utrecht. The necrologium Abdinhofense records the death "IV Kal Feb" of "Immeth comes pater Meinwerci episocopi"[87].
"m as her first husband, ADELA, daughter of WICHMANN [V] Graaf van Hamaland & his wife Liutgard of Flanders (-22 Mar [1014/16]). The Vita Meinwerci names "uxorem de terra Saxoniæ, Athelam nomine" as wife of Immed[88]. Widukind records that Meinwerk Bishop of Paderborn was "materno a Wichmanno, Herimanni ducis nepote, propinquo Ottonis I"[89]. Alpertus names "Adela sorori domnæ Liutgardæ", commenting that Adela was "clamosa in voce, lasciva in verbis, veste composite, animo dissoluta", the subsequent paragraph recording that, after her sister died, Adela took all her property which she had intended for the church before "vidua lasciva" married Baldric as her second husband[90]. She married secondly (before 996) Baldric Count in Drenthe. "Otto…Romanorum imperator augustus" confirmed the rights and privileges of Kloster Elten naming "filiam Lutgardam…abbatissam [et] filia Adela…[et] Baldericus…maritus Adele" by charter dated 18 Dec 996[91]. The wife of "Baldericus" was the daughter of "Wicmanni, cuius maiores magnam partem Germaniæ et maxime circa littoral oceani imperia tenebant"[92]. Thietmar records that the wife of Baldric encouraged her husband to arrange for the murder of "Count Wichmann" in 1016[93]. She is named "Adelæ uxoris Baldrici" in a later (undated) passage recording her death[94]. The work of Thiodericus names "Ida comitissa eius [=Baldricus] coniunx" ("Ida" presumably being an error for "Adela") and records her death "11 Kal Apr" without specifying the year[95]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"[IMMED [III] (-27 Jan 983). Widukind records that Meinwerk Bishop of Paderborn was "paterno genere a Thiedrico Mathilde reginæ fratre"[86]. Graf in Utrecht. The necrologium Abdinhofense records the death "IV Kal Feb" of "Immeth comes pater Meinwerci episocopi"[87].
"m as her first husband, ADELA, daughter of WICHMANN [V] Graaf van Hamaland & his wife Liutgard of Flanders (-22 Mar [1014/16]). The Vita Meinwerci names "uxorem de terra Saxoniæ, Athelam nomine" as wife of Immed[88]. Widukind records that Meinwerk Bishop of Paderborn was "materno a Wichmanno, Herimanni ducis nepote, propinquo Ottonis I"[89]. Alpertus names "Adela sorori domnæ Liutgardæ", commenting that Adela was "clamosa in voce, lasciva in verbis, veste composite, animo dissoluta", the subsequent paragraph recording that, after her sister died, Adela took all her property which she had intended for the church before "vidua lasciva" married Baldric as her second husband[90]. She married secondly (before 996) Baldric Count in Drenthe. "Otto…Romanorum imperator augustus" confirmed the rights and privileges of Kloster Elten naming "filiam Lutgardam…abbatissam [et] filia Adela…[et] Baldericus…maritus Adele" by charter dated 18 Dec 996[91]. The wife of "Baldericus" was the daughter of "Wicmanni, cuius maiores magnam partem Germaniæ et maxime circa littoral oceani imperia tenebant"[92]. Thietmar records that the wife of Baldric encouraged her husband to arrange for the murder of "Count Wichmann" in 1016[93]. She is named "Adelæ uxoris Baldrici" in a later (undated) passage recording her death[94]. The work of Thiodericus names "Ida comitissa eius [=Baldricus] coniunx" ("Ida" presumably being an error for "Adela") and records her death "11 Kal Apr" without specifying the year[95]."
Med Lands cites:
[86] Widukind I.III, c. 69, cited in Vita Meinwerci Episcopi Paderbornensis 5, MGH SS XI, p. 108, footnote 11.
[87] Necrologium Abdinhofense, quoted in Vita Meinwerci Episcopi Paderbornensis 2, MGH SS XI, p. 108, footnote 10.
[88] Vita Meinwerci Episcopi Paderbornensis 2, MGH SS XI, p. 108, footnote 10 quoting her death "8 Idus Aug" in necrologium Abdinhofense.
[89] Widukind I.III, c. 69, cited in Vita Meinwerci Episcopi Paderbornensis 5, MGH SS XI, p. 108, footnote 11.
[90] Alpertus, De Diversitate Temporum I.2 and 1.3, MGH SS IV, pp. 702 and 703, the latter passage with "18 May 997" added in the margin.
[91] D O III 235, p. 649.
[92] Alpertus, De Diversitate Temporum I.1, MGH SS IV, p. 701.
[93] Thietmar 7.47, p. 340.
[94] Alpertus, De Diversitate Temporum II.5, MGH SS IV, p. 711.
[95] Thioderici Aeditui Tuitiensis Opuscula, MGH SS XIV, p. 564.1
[87] Necrologium Abdinhofense, quoted in Vita Meinwerci Episcopi Paderbornensis 2, MGH SS XI, p. 108, footnote 10.
[88] Vita Meinwerci Episcopi Paderbornensis 2, MGH SS XI, p. 108, footnote 10 quoting her death "8 Idus Aug" in necrologium Abdinhofense.
[89] Widukind I.III, c. 69, cited in Vita Meinwerci Episcopi Paderbornensis 5, MGH SS XI, p. 108, footnote 11.
[90] Alpertus, De Diversitate Temporum I.2 and 1.3, MGH SS IV, pp. 702 and 703, the latter passage with "18 May 997" added in the margin.
[91] D O III 235, p. 649.
[92] Alpertus, De Diversitate Temporum I.1, MGH SS IV, p. 701.
[93] Thietmar 7.47, p. 340.
[94] Alpertus, De Diversitate Temporum II.5, MGH SS IV, p. 711.
[95] Thioderici Aeditui Tuitiensis Opuscula, MGH SS XIV, p. 564.1
Citations
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#Immeddied983. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun1,2
F, #93039, b. 935, d. after 14 April 1005
Father | Hervé I de Mortagne comte de Mortagne-au-Perche3 |
Reference | GAV28 |
Last Edited | 19 Aug 2020 |
Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun married Ernaud (?) Seigneur de la Ferté-Vidame
; her 1st husband.4,5 Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was born circa 906.6 She was born in 935.7 She married Geoffroy I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of Gausfred (?) Vicomte de Chartres,
; her 2nd husband.8,9,10,11,12,2
Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun died after 14 April 1005; The Henry Project says d. 14 April 1005 or later. Settipani says d. ca 1020.1,2
Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun died circa 1020.7
; Per Wikipedia:
"Hildegarde (died 14 April 1005 or later), Viscountess of Châteaudun, daughter of Hervé I, Count of Perche, and his wife Mélisende. It is believed that she was a descendant of Adelaud de Loches, grandfather of Roscille de Loches, wife of Fulk I the Red, Count of Anjou. Hildegarde became viscountess upon the death of her husband Hugues.
"Hildegarde and Hugues had four children:
-- Hugues I de Châteaudun, Viscount of Châteaudun and Archbishop of Tours
-- Adalaud, Seigneur de Château-Chinon
-- Melisende, Viscountess of Châteaudun, married Fulcois, Count of Mortaigne, son of Rotrou, Seigneur de Nogent.
-- Unnamed Daughter, married Albert II de la Ferté-en-Beauce, son of Albert I de la Ferté-en-Beauce and Godehildis de Bellême.
"Hildegarde was succeeded by her son Hugues I as Viscount of Châteaudun when he reached the age of maturity.
Sources
-- Kerrebrouck, Patrick van., Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1: La Préhistoire des Capétiens. 1993.
-- Tout, Thomas Frederick, The Empire and the Papacy: 918-1273, Periods of European History, London: Rivingtons, p. 279.
-- Bury, J. B. (Editor), The Cambridge Medieval History, Volume III, Germany and the Western Empire, Cambridge University Press, 1922
-- Reuter, Timothy (Editor), The New Cambridge Medieval History, Volume III, 900-1024, Cambridge University Press, 1999
-- Medieval Lands Pronect, Perche, Mortagne."1 GAV-28. Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was also known as Hildegardis de Mortagne.7,13 Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was also known as Hildegard (?) du Perche.14 Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was also known as Ermengarde Per The Henry Project: "The short chronicle of Bonneval mentions viscount Geoffroy and his wife Ermengarde and his/their son Hugues ["Deinde extitit quidam vicecomes Castrodunensis, Gaufridus nomine, qui, pro redemptione anime sue et uxoris, Hermengardis nomine... Similiter filius suus, nomine Hugo..." Petite Chron. Bonneval, 33]. As noted on the page of Hildegarde, the most likely explanation would be that Hermengardis in this record is a mistake for Hildegardis, although it cannot be ruled out that Geoffroy had another wife named Ermengarde."11,12 Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was also known as Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun.4
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES (-989 or after). The Breve Chronicon of Bonneval abbey records that “vicecomes Castridunensis Gaufridus” donated “alodum...Villa Siltula”, for the souls of “sue et uxoris Hermengardis”, and that “filius suus...Hugo” donated “aliam villam juxta sitam...Buxeriam”, undated[854]. Vicomte de Châteaudun. "…Hugonis vicecomitis, Alonis fratris eius…" signed the charter dated 996 which records the confirmation by "comitissæ Berthæ" of the donation by "Odo comes" of property for the construction of the abbey of Bourgeuil, with the consent of "filiorum suorum Teobaldi…atque Odonis"[855].
"m HILDEGARDE du Perche, daughter of HERVE [I] Comte du Perche & his wife Mélisende --- (-14 Apr [1021/22]). "Hildegardis, vicecomitissa Castridunensis" donated property "alodum meum de Bello Monte" to "sanctissimo Petro Carnotensis cœnobii", with the consent of "filio meo Hugone, archiepiscopo Turonorum", by charter dated to 1020, signed by "Hugo archipræsul., Gausfridi nepotis eius…Helgaudi filii archiepiscopi…"[856]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "XVIII Kal Mai" of "Hildegardis vicecomitissa de Castellodunis", stating that "filius eius Hugo Turonensis episcopus" donated property at "Viverus" for her soul[857]. The necrology of Saint-Père-en-Vallée records the death "XVII Kal Mai" of "Hildegarda vicecomitissa" and her donation of "allodium de Bellomonte"[858]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"GEOFFROY, son of --- (-after 986). Vicomte [de Châteaudun]. The Breve Chronicon of Bonneval abbey records that “vicecomes Castridunensis Gaufridus” donated “alodum...Villa Siltula”, for the souls of “sue et uxoris Hermengardis”, and that “filius suus...Hugo” donated “aliam villam juxta sitam...Buxeriam”, undated[851]. "…Gauzfredi vicecomitis…" subscribed the charter dated Mar 967 under which "Girardus Sancti Martini canonicus et sacerdos" donated property "Taiseis" to Tours Saint-Julien[852].
"m ERMENGARDE, daughter of ---. The Breve Chronicon of Bonneval abbey records that “vicecomes Castridunensis Gaufridus” donated “alodum...Villa Siltula”, for the souls of “sue et uxoris Hermengardis”, and that “filius suus...Hugo” donated “aliam villam juxta sitam...Buxeriam”, undated[853]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per France Balade:
"Geoffroy I (967-986)
"Fils du précedent [Geoffroy Vicomte de Chartres], il épouse Hildegarde (v970- v1020) une petite fille de Hugues I Comte du Maine. Hildegarde était veuve de Ernaud Seigneur de la Ferté(-Vidame). Geoffroy et Hildegarde ont eu quatre enfants:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): “Geoffroi 1er de Châteaudun vicomte de Châteaudun (967-986)
ép. Hildegarde ° 970 + 1020 (petite-fille d’Hugues 1er, comte du Maine et veuve de Ernaud, seigneur de La Ferté-Vidame)”.10
; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].3,7
; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.
I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.10,11,16,17,18,7,19,20
; From Wilson:
"Settipani and Keats-Rohan, in the essays listed below, seem to have sorted out the early viscounts of Chateaudun whose line is disconnected in ES iii, 689, and apparently in error in earlier secondary sources. I would appreciate it if someone would let me know if I have misread the relevant portions of these essays, or if you note other errors in the pedigree below.
First Generation
"1 Routrou I Count of Mortagne.[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[82, 455:20->685:04],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179] Routrou I died ca 1080.[233] Vicomte of Chateaudun; seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151]
bef 1041 Routrou married Adeline of Domfront[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, See 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179],[82, 455:21->685:05].[151]
Second Generation
"2 Geoffrey III Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[466],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:08] Geoffrey III was alive in 1031.[233, iii, 689],[466] Geoffrey III died in 1039/1040.[233, iii, 689 +] Seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151],[467]
"3 Heloise \ Elisabeth of Mortaigne.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[467],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, See 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:09] Born abt 995.
Third Generation
"4 Geoffrey II Viscount of Chateaudun.[73, p. 48],[466],[467],[151, See 249:33 (Hugh I, brother)] Geoffrey II was alive in 1004.[466] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467]
"5 Melisinda of Nogent.[73, p. 48],[466],[467]
"6 Fulk Count of Mortagne [233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[467],[151, See 249:32] Count of Corbon.[233]
Fourth Generation
"8 Geoffrey I Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48 (? Hugh I, brother of Geoffrey II)],[466],[467] Geoffrey I died aft 986.[233, iii, 689 +] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467] ca 1020 Geoffrey I married Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689 =]
"9 Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[466],[467] Hildegarde was alive ca 970.[467] was alive ca 1020.[467] Hildegarde died bef 1023.[233, iii, 689 +] Hildegarde is suggested to be a granddaughter of Hugh I, Count of Maine.[466]
"10 Rotrou Seigneur of Nogent.[467] Rotrou was alive in 967.[467] was alive in 996.[467] Seigneur of Nogent .[467]
REFERENCES
Alan B. Wilson abwilson@uclink2.berkeley.edu“.21 She was living between 970 and 1020.4
; her 1st husband.4,5 Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was born circa 906.6 She was born in 935.7 She married Geoffroy I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of Gausfred (?) Vicomte de Chartres,
; her 2nd husband.8,9,10,11,12,2
Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun died after 14 April 1005; The Henry Project says d. 14 April 1005 or later. Settipani says d. ca 1020.1,2
Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun died circa 1020.7
; Per Wikipedia:
"Hildegarde (died 14 April 1005 or later), Viscountess of Châteaudun, daughter of Hervé I, Count of Perche, and his wife Mélisende. It is believed that she was a descendant of Adelaud de Loches, grandfather of Roscille de Loches, wife of Fulk I the Red, Count of Anjou. Hildegarde became viscountess upon the death of her husband Hugues.
"Hildegarde and Hugues had four children:
-- Hugues I de Châteaudun, Viscount of Châteaudun and Archbishop of Tours
-- Adalaud, Seigneur de Château-Chinon
-- Melisende, Viscountess of Châteaudun, married Fulcois, Count of Mortaigne, son of Rotrou, Seigneur de Nogent.
-- Unnamed Daughter, married Albert II de la Ferté-en-Beauce, son of Albert I de la Ferté-en-Beauce and Godehildis de Bellême.
"Hildegarde was succeeded by her son Hugues I as Viscount of Châteaudun when he reached the age of maturity.
Sources
-- Kerrebrouck, Patrick van., Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1: La Préhistoire des Capétiens. 1993.
-- Tout, Thomas Frederick, The Empire and the Papacy: 918-1273, Periods of European History, London: Rivingtons, p. 279.
-- Bury, J. B. (Editor), The Cambridge Medieval History, Volume III, Germany and the Western Empire, Cambridge University Press, 1922
-- Reuter, Timothy (Editor), The New Cambridge Medieval History, Volume III, 900-1024, Cambridge University Press, 1999
-- Medieval Lands Pronect, Perche, Mortagne."1 GAV-28. Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was also known as Hildegardis de Mortagne.7,13 Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was also known as Hildegard (?) du Perche.14 Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was also known as Ermengarde Per The Henry Project: "The short chronicle of Bonneval mentions viscount Geoffroy and his wife Ermengarde and his/their son Hugues ["Deinde extitit quidam vicecomes Castrodunensis, Gaufridus nomine, qui, pro redemptione anime sue et uxoris, Hermengardis nomine... Similiter filius suus, nomine Hugo..." Petite Chron. Bonneval, 33]. As noted on the page of Hildegarde, the most likely explanation would be that Hermengardis in this record is a mistake for Hildegardis, although it cannot be ruled out that Geoffroy had another wife named Ermengarde."11,12 Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun was also known as Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun.4
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES (-989 or after). The Breve Chronicon of Bonneval abbey records that “vicecomes Castridunensis Gaufridus” donated “alodum...Villa Siltula”, for the souls of “sue et uxoris Hermengardis”, and that “filius suus...Hugo” donated “aliam villam juxta sitam...Buxeriam”, undated[854]. Vicomte de Châteaudun. "…Hugonis vicecomitis, Alonis fratris eius…" signed the charter dated 996 which records the confirmation by "comitissæ Berthæ" of the donation by "Odo comes" of property for the construction of the abbey of Bourgeuil, with the consent of "filiorum suorum Teobaldi…atque Odonis"[855].
"m HILDEGARDE du Perche, daughter of HERVE [I] Comte du Perche & his wife Mélisende --- (-14 Apr [1021/22]). "Hildegardis, vicecomitissa Castridunensis" donated property "alodum meum de Bello Monte" to "sanctissimo Petro Carnotensis cœnobii", with the consent of "filio meo Hugone, archiepiscopo Turonorum", by charter dated to 1020, signed by "Hugo archipræsul., Gausfridi nepotis eius…Helgaudi filii archiepiscopi…"[856]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "XVIII Kal Mai" of "Hildegardis vicecomitissa de Castellodunis", stating that "filius eius Hugo Turonensis episcopus" donated property at "Viverus" for her soul[857]. The necrology of Saint-Père-en-Vallée records the death "XVII Kal Mai" of "Hildegarda vicecomitissa" and her donation of "allodium de Bellomonte"[858]."
Med Lands cites:
[854] Bigot (1875), Introduction, Breve Chronicon, p. lxv.
[855] Lex (1892), Pièces Justificatives, VI, p. 129.
[856] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Sextus, Cap. VI, p. 117.
[857] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Nécrologe du xi siècle, p. 10.
[858] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Abbaye de Saint-Père-enVallée, p. 186.15
[855] Lex (1892), Pièces Justificatives, VI, p. 129.
[856] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Sextus, Cap. VI, p. 117.
[857] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Nécrologe du xi siècle, p. 10.
[858] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Abbaye de Saint-Père-enVallée, p. 186.15
; Per Med Lands:
"GEOFFROY, son of --- (-after 986). Vicomte [de Châteaudun]. The Breve Chronicon of Bonneval abbey records that “vicecomes Castridunensis Gaufridus” donated “alodum...Villa Siltula”, for the souls of “sue et uxoris Hermengardis”, and that “filius suus...Hugo” donated “aliam villam juxta sitam...Buxeriam”, undated[851]. "…Gauzfredi vicecomitis…" subscribed the charter dated Mar 967 under which "Girardus Sancti Martini canonicus et sacerdos" donated property "Taiseis" to Tours Saint-Julien[852].
"m ERMENGARDE, daughter of ---. The Breve Chronicon of Bonneval abbey records that “vicecomes Castridunensis Gaufridus” donated “alodum...Villa Siltula”, for the souls of “sue et uxoris Hermengardis”, and that “filius suus...Hugo” donated “aliam villam juxta sitam...Buxeriam”, undated[853]."
Med Lands cites:
[851] Bigot (1875), Introduction, Breve Chronicon, p. lxv.
[852] Tours Saint-Julien (Grandmaison), XXI, p. 60.
[853] Bigot (1875), Introduction, Breve Chronicon, p. lxv.11
[852] Tours Saint-Julien (Grandmaison), XXI, p. 60.
[853] Bigot (1875), Introduction, Breve Chronicon, p. lxv.11
; Per France Balade:
"Geoffroy I (967-986)
"Fils du précedent [Geoffroy Vicomte de Chartres], il épouse Hildegarde (v970- v1020) une petite fille de Hugues I Comte du Maine. Hildegarde était veuve de Ernaud Seigneur de la Ferté(-Vidame). Geoffroy et Hildegarde ont eu quatre enfants:
- Hugues I Vicomte de Chateaudun, Archeveque de Tours qui suit,
- Geoffroy II qui suit,
- Adalaud Seigneur de Chinon,
- une fille épouse d'Albert Abbé de Micy (lié à la famille de Belleme). Ce sont les parents d'Arnulf qui devient Archeveque de Tours en 1023 à la suite de son oncle Hugues.“.16
- Geoffroy II qui suit,
- Adalaud Seigneur de Chinon,
- une fille épouse d'Albert Abbé de Micy (lié à la famille de Belleme). Ce sont les parents d'Arnulf qui devient Archeveque de Tours en 1023 à la suite de son oncle Hugues.“.16
; Per Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): “Geoffroi 1er de Châteaudun vicomte de Châteaudun (967-986)
ép. Hildegarde ° 970 + 1020 (petite-fille d’Hugues 1er, comte du Maine et veuve de Ernaud, seigneur de La Ferté-Vidame)”.10
; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].3,7
; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.
I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.A.1. GEOFFROY, son of --- (-after 986).
I.A.2. HUGUES (I) (-989 or after). Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.A.3. HUGUES (II) de Châteaudun (-10 Jun 1026). Vicomte de Châteaudun (980/1003), Archbishop of Tours 1005, two illegitimate sons by an unknown mistress or mistresses
I.A.4. HELGAUD
I.A.4. HUGUES
I.A.3. ADALAUD.
I.A.3. [MELISENDE (-before 1040). Vicomtesse de Châteaudun. m FULCOIS Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou Comte de Mortagne
I.A.3. NN daughter . m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce
I.A.2. HUGUES (I) (-989 or after). Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.A.3. HUGUES (II) de Châteaudun (-10 Jun 1026). Vicomte de Châteaudun (980/1003), Archbishop of Tours 1005, two illegitimate sons by an unknown mistress or mistresses
I.A.4. HELGAUD
I.A.4. HUGUES
I.A.3. ADALAUD.
I.A.3. [MELISENDE (-before 1040). Vicomtesse de Châteaudun. m FULCOIS Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou Comte de Mortagne
I.A.3. NN daughter . m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce
I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
I.B.1. ROTROU (-after 12 Feb 996). Seigneur de Nogent.
I.B.2. FULCOIS Comte de Mortagne. m MELISENDE Vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of [HUGUES [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun [NB: It is not explained if this Hugues [I] is one of the Hugues in Line #1]
I.B.3. GEOFFROY (-murdered Chartres [1039/40]) m HELVISE [Elisabeth] Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.B.4. GEOFFROY (-[1015/28] or after).
I.B.4. HUGUES m ADELA, daughter of ---.
I.B.4. ROTROU (-1 Mar [1080]). Vicomte de Châteaudun. Comte de Mortagne m ADELISE de Bellême
I.B.3. Hugues du Perche Comte de Gâtinais m ([1000]) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Mâcon
I.B.4. GEOFFROY [II] "Ferréol" de Gâtinais (-30 Apr [1043/47]), Comte de Gâtinais, Seigneur de Château-Landon. m ([1035]) as her first husband, ERMENGARDE d'Anjou. Descendants COMTES d'ANJOU
I.B.4. LIETAUD (-[1050] or after). Descendants VICOMTES de CHÂTEAU-LANDON
I.B.2. FULCOIS Comte de Mortagne. m MELISENDE Vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of [HUGUES [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun [NB: It is not explained if this Hugues [I] is one of the Hugues in Line #1]
I.B.3. GEOFFROY (-murdered Chartres [1039/40]) m HELVISE [Elisabeth] Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.B.4. GEOFFROY (-[1015/28] or after).
I.B.4. HUGUES m ADELA, daughter of ---.
I.B.4. ROTROU (-1 Mar [1080]). Vicomte de Châteaudun. Comte de Mortagne m ADELISE de Bellême
I.B.3. Hugues du Perche Comte de Gâtinais m ([1000]) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Mâcon
I.B.4. GEOFFROY [II] "Ferréol" de Gâtinais (-30 Apr [1043/47]), Comte de Gâtinais, Seigneur de Château-Landon. m ([1035]) as her first husband, ERMENGARDE d'Anjou. Descendants COMTES d'ANJOU
I.B.4. LIETAUD (-[1050] or after). Descendants VICOMTES de CHÂTEAU-LANDON
II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.A.1. Mathilde de Vendôme ° ~960 ép. ~972 Rampo de Châteaudun ° ~954 + 986 1er seigneur de Châteaudun
II.A.2. Hugues 1er de Châteaudun ° ~975 + ~1012 seigneur de Châteaudun ép. Hildegarde
II.A.3. Mélissende de Châteaudun ° 997 + 1035 ép. Guarin d’Alençon (alias Foulques de Mortagne ?) seigneur de Mortagne + 1026
II.A.4. Geoffroi 1er d’Alençon ° ~1012 + ~1051 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et d’Illiers (fortifie Gallardon) ép. Helvise, dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres)
II.A.5. Rotrou 1er de Châteaudun ° ~1034 + avant 1079 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et Châteaudun ép. ~1050 Adeline de Domfront (fille de Guarin de Bellême, seigneur de Domfront)
II.A.2. Hugues 1er de Châteaudun ° ~975 + ~1012 seigneur de Châteaudun ép. Hildegarde
II.A.3. Mélissende de Châteaudun ° 997 + 1035 ép. Guarin d’Alençon (alias Foulques de Mortagne ?) seigneur de Mortagne + 1026
II.A.4. Geoffroi 1er d’Alençon ° ~1012 + ~1051 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et d’Illiers (fortifie Gallardon) ép. Helvise, dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres)
II.A.5. Rotrou 1er de Châteaudun ° ~1034 + avant 1079 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et Châteaudun ép. ~1050 Adeline de Domfront (fille de Guarin de Bellême, seigneur de Domfront)
II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B.1. Rampo de Châteaudun 1er vicomte de Châteaudun ~860 à titre d’office
II.B.2. Geoffroi vicomte de Chartres et de Châteaudun ~940
II.B.3. Geoffroi 1er de Châteaudun vicomte de Châteaudun (967-986) ép. Hildegarde ° 970 + 1020 (petite-fille d’Hugues 1er, comte du Maine et veuve de Ernaud, seigneur de La Ferté-Vidame)
II.B.4. Hugues 1er + 12/05/1023 vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003), seigneur du Vivier, Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023)
II.B.4. Geoffroi II vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023) seigneur de Nogent (987, Perche) ép. Mélissende de Nogent (fille de Rotrou, seigneur de Nogent de 950 à 990)
II.B.5. Geoffroi III ° ~1012 + 1040 (Chartres, ass.) vicomte de Châteaudun (1023-1040) comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent, Châtelain d’Illiers et de Gallardon ép. Helvise Corbon (Héloïse, Avoise, Elisabeth) dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Foulques dit «Corbon», comte de Mortagne) [ ? ou Héloïse de Pithiviers (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres ?) ]
II.B.4. Alo (Adalard) seigneur de Chinon ép. Senagaudis
II.B.4. Mélissende ? ép. Albert, Abbé de Micy (de la famille des Bellême)
II.B.2. Geoffroi vicomte de Chartres et de Châteaudun ~940
II.B.3. Geoffroi 1er de Châteaudun vicomte de Châteaudun (967-986) ép. Hildegarde ° 970 + 1020 (petite-fille d’Hugues 1er, comte du Maine et veuve de Ernaud, seigneur de La Ferté-Vidame)
II.B.4. Hugues 1er + 12/05/1023 vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003), seigneur du Vivier, Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023)
II.B.4. Geoffroi II vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023) seigneur de Nogent (987, Perche) ép. Mélissende de Nogent (fille de Rotrou, seigneur de Nogent de 950 à 990)
II.B.5. Geoffroi III ° ~1012 + 1040 (Chartres, ass.) vicomte de Châteaudun (1023-1040) comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent, Châtelain d’Illiers et de Gallardon ép. Helvise Corbon (Héloïse, Avoise, Elisabeth) dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Foulques dit «Corbon», comte de Mortagne) [ ? ou Héloïse de Pithiviers (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres ?) ]
II.B.4. Alo (Adalard) seigneur de Chinon ép. Senagaudis
II.B.4. Mélissende ? ép. Albert, Abbé de Micy (de la famille des Bellême)
III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
III.A.1. Rampo - Vicomte de Châteaudun, à titre d'office, dans les années 860.
III.B.2. Geoffroy Vicomte de Chartres (les années 940) "il semble avoir assuré les fonctions de Vicomte de Châteaudun à cette époque meme s'il n'en portait pas explicitement le titre." [Translation: "he seems to have assumed the functions of Vicomte de Châteaudun at that time even if he did not explicitly bear the title."] No connection to Rampo is described.
III.B.2. Geoffroy I (967-986), Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the former, m. Hildegarde widow of Ernaud Seigneur de la Ferté(-Vidame)
III.B.3. Hugues I Vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003) then Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde
III.B.3. Geoffroy II Vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde, m. Mélissende, dau. of Rotrou, Seigneur de Nogent.
III.B.4. Geoffroy III (1023-1040), son Geoffroy II, Vicomte de Châteaudun, Seigneur de Nogent dans le Perche, m. Helvise (Héloise) de Mortagne fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (aka Corbon)
III.B.2. Geoffroy Vicomte de Chartres (les années 940) "il semble avoir assuré les fonctions de Vicomte de Châteaudun à cette époque meme s'il n'en portait pas explicitement le titre." [Translation: "he seems to have assumed the functions of Vicomte de Châteaudun at that time even if he did not explicitly bear the title."] No connection to Rampo is described.
III.B.2. Geoffroy I (967-986), Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the former, m. Hildegarde widow of Ernaud Seigneur de la Ferté(-Vidame)
III.B.3. Hugues I Vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003) then Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde
III.B.3. Geoffroy II Vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde, m. Mélissende, dau. of Rotrou, Seigneur de Nogent.
III.B.4. Geoffroy III (1023-1040), son Geoffroy II, Vicomte de Châteaudun, Seigneur de Nogent dans le Perche, m. Helvise (Héloise) de Mortagne fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (aka Corbon)
IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
IV.A.1. Fulcois Vicomte de Châteaudun m. Mélissende Nogent (no parents given)
IV.A.2 Geoffroy III b. ca 980 d. 1040), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Mortagne m. Helvis/Elizabeth, dau. of Fulcuich, Comte de Corbon.
IV.A.2 Geoffroy III b. ca 980 d. 1040), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Mortagne m. Helvis/Elizabeth, dau. of Fulcuich, Comte de Corbon.
V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
V.1. Geoffrey I (967–985), Viscount of Châteaudun
V.2. Hugues I (985–989), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous m.
V.2. Hildegarde (989–1022), Viscountess of Châteaudun, wife of the previous
V.3. Hugues II (1022–1026), Viscount of Châteaudun and Archbishop of Tours, son of the previous
V.4. Geoffrey II (1030–1039), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Geoffrey I), son of the previous
V.5. Hugues III de Perche (1039–1044), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Hugues I), son of the previous
V.5. Rotrou I de Perche (1044–1080), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Rotrou II), brother of the previous
V.6. Hugues IV (1080–1110), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.7. Geoffrey III (1110–1145), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.3. Melisende (1026–1030), Viscountess of Châteaudun, sister of the previous
V.2. Hugues I (985–989), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous m.
V.2. Hildegarde (989–1022), Viscountess of Châteaudun, wife of the previous
V.3. Hugues II (1022–1026), Viscount of Châteaudun and Archbishop of Tours, son of the previous
V.4. Geoffrey II (1030–1039), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Geoffrey I), son of the previous
V.5. Hugues III de Perche (1039–1044), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Hugues I), son of the previous
V.5. Rotrou I de Perche (1044–1080), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Rotrou II), brother of the previous
V.6. Hugues IV (1080–1110), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.7. Geoffrey III (1110–1145), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.3. Melisende (1026–1030), Viscountess of Châteaudun, sister of the previous
VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VI.A.1. ca 860 Rampo
VI.B.1. 956-986 : Geoffroy Ier (Gauzfred), vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegarde ou Ermengarde
VI.B.2. 989-1003 : Hugues I (d. 1023), son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, then (1003) Archevêque de Tours
VI.B.2. Unnamed brother or sister of the previous
VI.B.3. 1003-1039 : Geoffroy II, nephew of Hugues I, vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent
VI.B.4. 1039-1045 : Hugues II, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adila, s.p.
VI.B.4. 1051-1080 : Rotrou Ier, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adelise/Adeline de Bellême-Alençon
VI.B.5. 1080-vers 1110 : Hugues III, vicomte de Châteaudun, dit d'Alençon, son of the previous. m. Agnès de Fréteval
VI.B.6. vers 1110-1140/1150 : Geoffroy III, vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the previous ; m. his 1st cousin Helvise de Mondoubleau-Fréteval
VI.B.1. 956-986 : Geoffroy Ier (Gauzfred), vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegarde ou Ermengarde
VI.B.2. 989-1003 : Hugues I (d. 1023), son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, then (1003) Archevêque de Tours
VI.B.2. Unnamed brother or sister of the previous
VI.B.3. 1003-1039 : Geoffroy II, nephew of Hugues I, vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent
VI.B.4. 1039-1045 : Hugues II, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adila, s.p.
VI.B.4. 1051-1080 : Rotrou Ier, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adelise/Adeline de Bellême-Alençon
VI.B.5. 1080-vers 1110 : Hugues III, vicomte de Châteaudun, dit d'Alençon, son of the previous. m. Agnès de Fréteval
VI.B.6. vers 1110-1140/1150 : Geoffroy III, vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the previous ; m. his 1st cousin Helvise de Mondoubleau-Fréteval
VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.10,11,16,17,18,7,19,20
; From Wilson:
"Settipani and Keats-Rohan, in the essays listed below, seem to have sorted out the early viscounts of Chateaudun whose line is disconnected in ES iii, 689, and apparently in error in earlier secondary sources. I would appreciate it if someone would let me know if I have misread the relevant portions of these essays, or if you note other errors in the pedigree below.
First Generation
"1 Routrou I Count of Mortagne.[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[82, 455:20->685:04],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179] Routrou I died ca 1080.[233] Vicomte of Chateaudun; seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151]
bef 1041 Routrou married Adeline of Domfront[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, See 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179],[82, 455:21->685:05].[151]
Second Generation
"2 Geoffrey III Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[466],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:08] Geoffrey III was alive in 1031.[233, iii, 689],[466] Geoffrey III died in 1039/1040.[233, iii, 689 +] Seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151],[467]
"3 Heloise \ Elisabeth of Mortaigne.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[467],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, See 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:09] Born abt 995.
Third Generation
"4 Geoffrey II Viscount of Chateaudun.[73, p. 48],[466],[467],[151, See 249:33 (Hugh I, brother)] Geoffrey II was alive in 1004.[466] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467]
"5 Melisinda of Nogent.[73, p. 48],[466],[467]
"6 Fulk Count of Mortagne [233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[467],[151, See 249:32] Count of Corbon.[233]
Fourth Generation
"8 Geoffrey I Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48 (? Hugh I, brother of Geoffrey II)],[466],[467] Geoffrey I died aft 986.[233, iii, 689 +] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467] ca 1020 Geoffrey I married Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689 =]
"9 Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[466],[467] Hildegarde was alive ca 970.[467] was alive ca 1020.[467] Hildegarde died bef 1023.[233, iii, 689 +] Hildegarde is suggested to be a granddaughter of Hugh I, Count of Maine.[466]
"10 Rotrou Seigneur of Nogent.[467] Rotrou was alive in 967.[467] was alive in 996.[467] Seigneur of Nogent .[467]
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466. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., ³ŒUn vassal sans histoire¹?: Count Hugh II (c. 940/955-992) and the Origins of Angevin Overlordship in Maine,² K.S.B. Keats-Rohan (ed.), Family Trees and the Roots of Politics, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK: Boydell Press, 1997, 189-210.
467. Settipani, Christian, ³Les comtes d¹Anjou et leurs alliances aux Xe et XIe siecles,² K.S.B. Keats-Rohan (ed.), Family Trees and the Roots of Politics, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK: Boydell Press, 1997, 211-267.
Alan B. Wilson abwilson@uclink2.berkeley.edu“.21 She was living between 970 and 1020.4
Family | Geoffroy I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudun b. c 906, d. a 986 |
Children |
Citations
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegarde,_Viscountess_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/hilde002.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hervé Ier de Mortagne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_Ier_de_Mortagne. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S4748] France Balade, online <http://www.francebalade.com/>. Hereinafter cited as France Balade Website (FR).
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44690
- [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
- [S4748] France Balade Website (FR), online http://www.francebalade.com/, http://www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm
- [S1529] Alan B. Wilson, "Wilson email 5 June 1998 "Early viscounts of Chateaudun"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/g1HK4TjyRZg/m/B_wyzebDT3AJ) to soc.genealogy.medieval, 5 June 1998. Hereinafter cited as "Wilson email 5 June 1998."
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vicomtes de Châteaudun, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#_Toc479931729. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff006.htm
- [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Rotrou de Nogent: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotrou_de_Nogent
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_I,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#HuguesChateaudundied989
- [S4748] France Balade Website (FR), online http://www.francebalade.com/, Les Vicomtes de Chateaudun: http://www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm
- [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes et vicomtes de Châteaudun: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_et_vicomtes_de_Ch%C3%A2teaudun
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counts_and_Viscounts_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun
- [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 16 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff004.htm
- [S1529] Alan B. Wilson, "Wilson email 5 June 1998," e-mail to soc.genealogy.medieval, 5 June 1998, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/g1HK4TjyRZg/m/B_wyzebDT3AJ (accessed 16 Aug 2020).
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_I,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun.
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_II,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#dauHuguesChateaudunMAlbertFerte
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/fulco000.htm
Hugues I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudunm, Archevêque de Tours1,2,3,4
M, #93040, d. 5 December 1203
Father | Geoffroy I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudun5,6,3,4,7 b. c 906, d. a 986 |
Mother | Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun6,3,4,7,8 b. 935, d. a 14 Apr 1005 |
Last Edited | 18 Aug 2020 |
Hugues I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudunm, Archevêque de Tours died on 5 December 1203; Wikipedia says d. 989; Med Lands says d. 989 or after, France Balade says d. 1023 or after; Racines et Histoire says d. Dec 5 1023 (12/05/1023); Wikipédia (Fr.) says d. 1023.1,3,9,10,11,4
; This is the same person as ”Hugh II, Viscount of Châteaudun” at Wikipedia and as ”Hugues Ier de Châteaudun” at Wikipédia (FR).8,12
; Per France Balade: "Hugues I Vicomte (989-1003) puis Archeveque de Tours (1003-1023)
"Fils du précedent. Il devient d'abord Vicomte de Chateaudun à la suite de son père Geoffroy I.
"En 1003 avec le soutien d'Eudes II de Blois et du Roi de France Robert II le Pieux il devient Archeveque de Tours en succèdant à Archambault de Sully. Le 14 juillet 1014 il consacra la nouvelle Basilique Saint Martin de Tours, celle-ci avait été construite à l'initiative du Trésorier de l'Abbaye, Hervé de Buzancais.“.10
; Per Wikipédia (Fr.)"989-1003 : Hugues Ier († 1023), fils du précédent [Geoffroy Ier (Gauzfred)], vicomte de Châteaudun, puis (1003) archevêque de Tours“.11 Hugues I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudunm, Archevêque de Tours was also known as Hugues II (?) vicomte de Châteaudun, Archbishop of Tours.8
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES (-989 or after). The Breve Chronicon of Bonneval abbey records that “vicecomes Castridunensis Gaufridus” donated “alodum...Villa Siltula”, for the souls of “sue et uxoris Hermengardis”, and that “filius suus...Hugo” donated “aliam villam juxta sitam...Buxeriam”, undated[854]. Vicomte de Châteaudun. "…Hugonis vicecomitis, Alonis fratris eius…" signed the charter dated 996 which records the confirmation by "comitissæ Berthæ" of the donation by "Odo comes" of property for the construction of the abbey of Bourgeuil, with the consent of "filiorum suorum Teobaldi…atque Odonis"[855].
"m HILDEGARDE du Perche, daughter of HERVE [I] Comte du Perche & his wife Mélisende --- (-14 Apr [1021/22]). "Hildegardis, vicecomitissa Castridunensis" donated property "alodum meum de Bello Monte" to "sanctissimo Petro Carnotensis cœnobii", with the consent of "filio meo Hugone, archiepiscopo Turonorum", by charter dated to 1020, signed by "Hugo archipræsul., Gausfridi nepotis eius…Helgaudi filii archiepiscopi…"[856]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "XVIII Kal Mai" of "Hildegardis vicecomitissa de Castellodunis", stating that "filius eius Hugo Turonensis episcopus" donated property at "Viverus" for her soul[857]. The necrology of Saint-Père-en-Vallée records the death "XVII Kal Mai" of "Hildegarda vicecomitissa" and her donation of "allodium de Bellomonte"[858]."
Med Lands cites:
; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].13,4
; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.
I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.9,6,10,11,2,4,14,15
; From Wilson:
"Settipani and Keats-Rohan, in the essays listed below, seem to have sorted out the early viscounts of Chateaudun whose line is disconnected in ES iii, 689, and apparently in error in earlier secondary sources. I would appreciate it if someone would let me know if I have misread the relevant portions of these essays, or if you note other errors in the pedigree below.
First Generation
"1 Routrou I Count of Mortagne.[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[82, 455:20->685:04],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179] Routrou I died ca 1080.[233] Vicomte of Chateaudun; seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151]
bef 1041 Routrou married Adeline of Domfront[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, See 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179],[82, 455:21->685:05].[151]
Second Generation
"2 Geoffrey III Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[466],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:08] Geoffrey III was alive in 1031.[233, iii, 689],[466] Geoffrey III died in 1039/1040.[233, iii, 689 +] Seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151],[467]
"3 Heloise \ Elisabeth of Mortaigne.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[467],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, See 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:09] Born abt 995.
Third Generation
"4 Geoffrey II Viscount of Chateaudun.[73, p. 48],[466],[467],[151, See 249:33 (Hugh I, brother)] Geoffrey II was alive in 1004.[466] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467]
"5 Melisinda of Nogent.[73, p. 48],[466],[467]
"6 Fulk Count of Mortagne [233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[467],[151, See 249:32] Count of Corbon.[233]
Fourth Generation
"8 Geoffrey I Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48 (? Hugh I, brother of Geoffrey II)],[466],[467] Geoffrey I died aft 986.[233, iii, 689 +] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467] ca 1020 Geoffrey I married Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689 =]
"9 Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[466],[467] Hildegarde was alive ca 970.[467] was alive ca 1020.[467] Hildegarde died bef 1023.[233, iii, 689 +] Hildegarde is suggested to be a granddaughter of Hugh I, Count of Maine.[466]
"10 Rotrou Seigneur of Nogent.[467] Rotrou was alive in 967.[467] was alive in 996.[467] Seigneur of Nogent .[467]
REFERENCES
Alan B. Wilson abwilson@uclink2.berkeley.edu“.16 As of 950, Hugues I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudunm, Archevêque de Tours was also known as (?)4 He was vicomte de Châteaudun
Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "989-1003 : Hugues Ier († 1023), fils du précédent [Geoffroy I], vicomte de Châteaudun, puis (1003) archevêque de Tours“ between 989 and 1003.11,10 He was Archevêque de Tours between 1003 and 1023.11,10
; This is the same person as ”Hugh II, Viscount of Châteaudun” at Wikipedia and as ”Hugues Ier de Châteaudun” at Wikipédia (FR).8,12
; Per France Balade: "Hugues I Vicomte (989-1003) puis Archeveque de Tours (1003-1023)
"Fils du précedent. Il devient d'abord Vicomte de Chateaudun à la suite de son père Geoffroy I.
"En 1003 avec le soutien d'Eudes II de Blois et du Roi de France Robert II le Pieux il devient Archeveque de Tours en succèdant à Archambault de Sully. Le 14 juillet 1014 il consacra la nouvelle Basilique Saint Martin de Tours, celle-ci avait été construite à l'initiative du Trésorier de l'Abbaye, Hervé de Buzancais.“.10
; Per Wikipédia (Fr.)"989-1003 : Hugues Ier († 1023), fils du précédent [Geoffroy Ier (Gauzfred)], vicomte de Châteaudun, puis (1003) archevêque de Tours“.11 Hugues I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudunm, Archevêque de Tours was also known as Hugues II (?) vicomte de Châteaudun, Archbishop of Tours.8
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES (-989 or after). The Breve Chronicon of Bonneval abbey records that “vicecomes Castridunensis Gaufridus” donated “alodum...Villa Siltula”, for the souls of “sue et uxoris Hermengardis”, and that “filius suus...Hugo” donated “aliam villam juxta sitam...Buxeriam”, undated[854]. Vicomte de Châteaudun. "…Hugonis vicecomitis, Alonis fratris eius…" signed the charter dated 996 which records the confirmation by "comitissæ Berthæ" of the donation by "Odo comes" of property for the construction of the abbey of Bourgeuil, with the consent of "filiorum suorum Teobaldi…atque Odonis"[855].
"m HILDEGARDE du Perche, daughter of HERVE [I] Comte du Perche & his wife Mélisende --- (-14 Apr [1021/22]). "Hildegardis, vicecomitissa Castridunensis" donated property "alodum meum de Bello Monte" to "sanctissimo Petro Carnotensis cœnobii", with the consent of "filio meo Hugone, archiepiscopo Turonorum", by charter dated to 1020, signed by "Hugo archipræsul., Gausfridi nepotis eius…Helgaudi filii archiepiscopi…"[856]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "XVIII Kal Mai" of "Hildegardis vicecomitissa de Castellodunis", stating that "filius eius Hugo Turonensis episcopus" donated property at "Viverus" for her soul[857]. The necrology of Saint-Père-en-Vallée records the death "XVII Kal Mai" of "Hildegarda vicecomitissa" and her donation of "allodium de Bellomonte"[858]."
Med Lands cites:
[854] Bigot (1875), Introduction, Breve Chronicon, p. lxv.
[855] Lex (1892), Pièces Justificatives, VI, p. 129.
[856] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Sextus, Cap. VI, p. 117.
[857] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Nécrologe du xi siècle, p. 10.
[858] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Abbaye de Saint-Père-enVallée, p. 186.3
[855] Lex (1892), Pièces Justificatives, VI, p. 129.
[856] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Sextus, Cap. VI, p. 117.
[857] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Nécrologe du xi siècle, p. 10.
[858] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Abbaye de Saint-Père-enVallée, p. 186.3
; See attached image of a chart showing the descent of Hildegardis (who m. Geoffroy I, vicomte de Châteaudun), based on the work of Settipani [2000].13,4
; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.
I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.A.1. GEOFFROY, son of --- (-after 986).
I.A.2. HUGUES (I) (-989 or after). Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.A.3. HUGUES (II) de Châteaudun (-10 Jun 1026). Vicomte de Châteaudun (980/1003), Archbishop of Tours 1005, two illegitimate sons by an unknown mistress or mistresses
I.A.4. HELGAUD
I.A.4. HUGUES
I.A.3. ADALAUD.
I.A.3. [MELISENDE (-before 1040). Vicomtesse de Châteaudun. m FULCOIS Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou Comte de Mortagne
I.A.3. NN daughter . m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce
I.A.2. HUGUES (I) (-989 or after). Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.A.3. HUGUES (II) de Châteaudun (-10 Jun 1026). Vicomte de Châteaudun (980/1003), Archbishop of Tours 1005, two illegitimate sons by an unknown mistress or mistresses
I.A.4. HELGAUD
I.A.4. HUGUES
I.A.3. ADALAUD.
I.A.3. [MELISENDE (-before 1040). Vicomtesse de Châteaudun. m FULCOIS Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou Comte de Mortagne
I.A.3. NN daughter . m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce
I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
I.B.1. ROTROU (-after 12 Feb 996). Seigneur de Nogent.
I.B.2. FULCOIS Comte de Mortagne. m MELISENDE Vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of [HUGUES [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun [NB: It is not explained if this Hugues [I] is one of the Hugues in Line #1]
I.B.3. GEOFFROY (-murdered Chartres [1039/40]) m HELVISE [Elisabeth] Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.B.4. GEOFFROY (-[1015/28] or after).
I.B.4. HUGUES m ADELA, daughter of ---.
I.B.4. ROTROU (-1 Mar [1080]). Vicomte de Châteaudun. Comte de Mortagne m ADELISE de Bellême
I.B.3. Hugues du Perche Comte de Gâtinais m ([1000]) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Mâcon
I.B.4. GEOFFROY [II] "Ferréol" de Gâtinais (-30 Apr [1043/47]), Comte de Gâtinais, Seigneur de Château-Landon. m ([1035]) as her first husband, ERMENGARDE d'Anjou. Descendants COMTES d'ANJOU
I.B.4. LIETAUD (-[1050] or after). Descendants VICOMTES de CHÂTEAU-LANDON
I.B.2. FULCOIS Comte de Mortagne. m MELISENDE Vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of [HUGUES [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun [NB: It is not explained if this Hugues [I] is one of the Hugues in Line #1]
I.B.3. GEOFFROY (-murdered Chartres [1039/40]) m HELVISE [Elisabeth] Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.B.4. GEOFFROY (-[1015/28] or after).
I.B.4. HUGUES m ADELA, daughter of ---.
I.B.4. ROTROU (-1 Mar [1080]). Vicomte de Châteaudun. Comte de Mortagne m ADELISE de Bellême
I.B.3. Hugues du Perche Comte de Gâtinais m ([1000]) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Mâcon
I.B.4. GEOFFROY [II] "Ferréol" de Gâtinais (-30 Apr [1043/47]), Comte de Gâtinais, Seigneur de Château-Landon. m ([1035]) as her first husband, ERMENGARDE d'Anjou. Descendants COMTES d'ANJOU
I.B.4. LIETAUD (-[1050] or after). Descendants VICOMTES de CHÂTEAU-LANDON
II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.A.1. Mathilde de Vendôme ° ~960 ép. ~972 Rampo de Châteaudun ° ~954 + 986 1er seigneur de Châteaudun
II.A.2. Hugues 1er de Châteaudun ° ~975 + ~1012 seigneur de Châteaudun ép. Hildegarde
II.A.3. Mélissende de Châteaudun ° 997 + 1035 ép. Guarin d’Alençon (alias Foulques de Mortagne ?) seigneur de Mortagne + 1026
II.A.4. Geoffroi 1er d’Alençon ° ~1012 + ~1051 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et d’Illiers (fortifie Gallardon) ép. Helvise, dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres)
II.A.5. Rotrou 1er de Châteaudun ° ~1034 + avant 1079 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et Châteaudun ép. ~1050 Adeline de Domfront (fille de Guarin de Bellême, seigneur de Domfront)
II.A.2. Hugues 1er de Châteaudun ° ~975 + ~1012 seigneur de Châteaudun ép. Hildegarde
II.A.3. Mélissende de Châteaudun ° 997 + 1035 ép. Guarin d’Alençon (alias Foulques de Mortagne ?) seigneur de Mortagne + 1026
II.A.4. Geoffroi 1er d’Alençon ° ~1012 + ~1051 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et d’Illiers (fortifie Gallardon) ép. Helvise, dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres)
II.A.5. Rotrou 1er de Châteaudun ° ~1034 + avant 1079 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et Châteaudun ép. ~1050 Adeline de Domfront (fille de Guarin de Bellême, seigneur de Domfront)
II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B.1. Rampo de Châteaudun 1er vicomte de Châteaudun ~860 à titre d’office
II.B.2. Geoffroi vicomte de Chartres et de Châteaudun ~940
II.B.3. Geoffroi 1er de Châteaudun vicomte de Châteaudun (967-986) ép. Hildegarde ° 970 + 1020 (petite-fille d’Hugues 1er, comte du Maine et veuve de Ernaud, seigneur de La Ferté-Vidame)
II.B.4. Hugues 1er + 12/05/1023 vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003), seigneur du Vivier, Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023)
II.B.4. Geoffroi II vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023) seigneur de Nogent (987, Perche) ép. Mélissende de Nogent (fille de Rotrou, seigneur de Nogent de 950 à 990)
II.B.5. Geoffroi III ° ~1012 + 1040 (Chartres, ass.) vicomte de Châteaudun (1023-1040) comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent, Châtelain d’Illiers et de Gallardon ép. Helvise Corbon (Héloïse, Avoise, Elisabeth) dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Foulques dit «Corbon», comte de Mortagne) [ ? ou Héloïse de Pithiviers (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres ?) ]
II.B.4. Alo (Adalard) seigneur de Chinon ép. Senagaudis
II.B.4. Mélissende ? ép. Albert, Abbé de Micy (de la famille des Bellême)
II.B.2. Geoffroi vicomte de Chartres et de Châteaudun ~940
II.B.3. Geoffroi 1er de Châteaudun vicomte de Châteaudun (967-986) ép. Hildegarde ° 970 + 1020 (petite-fille d’Hugues 1er, comte du Maine et veuve de Ernaud, seigneur de La Ferté-Vidame)
II.B.4. Hugues 1er + 12/05/1023 vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003), seigneur du Vivier, Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023)
II.B.4. Geoffroi II vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023) seigneur de Nogent (987, Perche) ép. Mélissende de Nogent (fille de Rotrou, seigneur de Nogent de 950 à 990)
II.B.5. Geoffroi III ° ~1012 + 1040 (Chartres, ass.) vicomte de Châteaudun (1023-1040) comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent, Châtelain d’Illiers et de Gallardon ép. Helvise Corbon (Héloïse, Avoise, Elisabeth) dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Foulques dit «Corbon», comte de Mortagne) [ ? ou Héloïse de Pithiviers (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres ?) ]
II.B.4. Alo (Adalard) seigneur de Chinon ép. Senagaudis
II.B.4. Mélissende ? ép. Albert, Abbé de Micy (de la famille des Bellême)
III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
III.A.1. Rampo - Vicomte de Châteaudun, à titre d'office, dans les années 860.
III.B.2. Geoffroy Vicomte de Chartres (les années 940) "il semble avoir assuré les fonctions de Vicomte de Châteaudun à cette époque meme s'il n'en portait pas explicitement le titre." [Translation: "he seems to have assumed the functions of Vicomte de Châteaudun at that time even if he did not explicitly bear the title."] No connection to Rampo is described.
III.B.2. Geoffroy I (967-986), Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the former, m. Hildegarde widow of Ernaud Seigneur de la Ferté(-Vidame)
III.B.3. Hugues I Vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003) then Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde
III.B.3. Geoffroy II Vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde, m. Mélissende, dau. of Rotrou, Seigneur de Nogent.
III.B.4. Geoffroy III (1023-1040), son Geoffroy II, Vicomte de Châteaudun, Seigneur de Nogent dans le Perche, m. Helvise (Héloise) de Mortagne fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (aka Corbon)
III.B.2. Geoffroy Vicomte de Chartres (les années 940) "il semble avoir assuré les fonctions de Vicomte de Châteaudun à cette époque meme s'il n'en portait pas explicitement le titre." [Translation: "he seems to have assumed the functions of Vicomte de Châteaudun at that time even if he did not explicitly bear the title."] No connection to Rampo is described.
III.B.2. Geoffroy I (967-986), Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the former, m. Hildegarde widow of Ernaud Seigneur de la Ferté(-Vidame)
III.B.3. Hugues I Vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003) then Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde
III.B.3. Geoffroy II Vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde, m. Mélissende, dau. of Rotrou, Seigneur de Nogent.
III.B.4. Geoffroy III (1023-1040), son Geoffroy II, Vicomte de Châteaudun, Seigneur de Nogent dans le Perche, m. Helvise (Héloise) de Mortagne fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (aka Corbon)
IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
IV.A.1. Fulcois Vicomte de Châteaudun m. Mélissende Nogent (no parents given)
IV.A.2 Geoffroy III b. ca 980 d. 1040), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Mortagne m. Helvis/Elizabeth, dau. of Fulcuich, Comte de Corbon.
IV.A.2 Geoffroy III b. ca 980 d. 1040), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Mortagne m. Helvis/Elizabeth, dau. of Fulcuich, Comte de Corbon.
V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
V.1. Geoffrey I (967–985), Viscount of Châteaudun
V.2. Hugues I (985–989), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous m.
V.2. Hildegarde (989–1022), Viscountess of Châteaudun, wife of the previous
V.3. Hugues II (1022–1026), Viscount of Châteaudun and Archbishop of Tours, son of the previous
V.4. Geoffrey II (1030–1039), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Geoffrey I), son of the previous
V.5. Hugues III de Perche (1039–1044), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Hugues I), son of the previous
V.5. Rotrou I de Perche (1044–1080), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Rotrou II), brother of the previous
V.6. Hugues IV (1080–1110), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.7. Geoffrey III (1110–1145), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.3. Melisende (1026–1030), Viscountess of Châteaudun, sister of the previous
V.2. Hugues I (985–989), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous m.
V.2. Hildegarde (989–1022), Viscountess of Châteaudun, wife of the previous
V.3. Hugues II (1022–1026), Viscount of Châteaudun and Archbishop of Tours, son of the previous
V.4. Geoffrey II (1030–1039), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Geoffrey I), son of the previous
V.5. Hugues III de Perche (1039–1044), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Hugues I), son of the previous
V.5. Rotrou I de Perche (1044–1080), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Rotrou II), brother of the previous
V.6. Hugues IV (1080–1110), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.7. Geoffrey III (1110–1145), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.3. Melisende (1026–1030), Viscountess of Châteaudun, sister of the previous
VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VI.A.1. ca 860 Rampo
VI.B.1. 956-986 : Geoffroy Ier (Gauzfred), vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegarde ou Ermengarde
VI.B.2. 989-1003 : Hugues I (d. 1023), son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, then (1003) Archevêque de Tours
VI.B.2. Unnamed brother or sister of the previous
VI.B.3. 1003-1039 : Geoffroy II, nephew of Hugues I, vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent
VI.B.4. 1039-1045 : Hugues II, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adila, s.p.
VI.B.4. 1051-1080 : Rotrou Ier, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adelise/Adeline de Bellême-Alençon
VI.B.5. 1080-vers 1110 : Hugues III, vicomte de Châteaudun, dit d'Alençon, son of the previous. m. Agnès de Fréteval
VI.B.6. vers 1110-1140/1150 : Geoffroy III, vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the previous ; m. his 1st cousin Helvise de Mondoubleau-Fréteval
VI.B.1. 956-986 : Geoffroy Ier (Gauzfred), vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegarde ou Ermengarde
VI.B.2. 989-1003 : Hugues I (d. 1023), son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, then (1003) Archevêque de Tours
VI.B.2. Unnamed brother or sister of the previous
VI.B.3. 1003-1039 : Geoffroy II, nephew of Hugues I, vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent
VI.B.4. 1039-1045 : Hugues II, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adila, s.p.
VI.B.4. 1051-1080 : Rotrou Ier, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adelise/Adeline de Bellême-Alençon
VI.B.5. 1080-vers 1110 : Hugues III, vicomte de Châteaudun, dit d'Alençon, son of the previous. m. Agnès de Fréteval
VI.B.6. vers 1110-1140/1150 : Geoffroy III, vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the previous ; m. his 1st cousin Helvise de Mondoubleau-Fréteval
VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.9,6,10,11,2,4,14,15
; From Wilson:
"Settipani and Keats-Rohan, in the essays listed below, seem to have sorted out the early viscounts of Chateaudun whose line is disconnected in ES iii, 689, and apparently in error in earlier secondary sources. I would appreciate it if someone would let me know if I have misread the relevant portions of these essays, or if you note other errors in the pedigree below.
First Generation
"1 Routrou I Count of Mortagne.[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[82, 455:20->685:04],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179] Routrou I died ca 1080.[233] Vicomte of Chateaudun; seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151]
bef 1041 Routrou married Adeline of Domfront[233, iii, 636, 689],[74, See 151:24],[73, p. 49],[411, pp. 467, 468 (tables 4, 6)],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 24, p. 36],[151, See 249:31],[104, pp. 18, 179],[82, 455:21->685:05].[151]
Second Generation
"2 Geoffrey III Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[466],[467],[376, ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:08] Geoffrey III was alive in 1031.[233, iii, 689],[466] Geoffrey III died in 1039/1040.[233, iii, 689 +] Seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou.[151],[467]
"3 Heloise \ Elisabeth of Mortaigne.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 49],[467],[376, See ³Bellesmes² 25, p. 36],[151, See 249:32],[104, p. 179],[82, 685:09] Born abt 995.
Third Generation
"4 Geoffrey II Viscount of Chateaudun.[73, p. 48],[466],[467],[151, See 249:33 (Hugh I, brother)] Geoffrey II was alive in 1004.[466] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467]
"5 Melisinda of Nogent.[73, p. 48],[466],[467]
"6 Fulk Count of Mortagne [233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[467],[151, See 249:32] Count of Corbon.[233]
Fourth Generation
"8 Geoffrey I Viscount of Chateaudun.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48 (? Hugh I, brother of Geoffrey II)],[466],[467] Geoffrey I died aft 986.[233, iii, 689 +] Viscount of Chateaudun .[467] ca 1020 Geoffrey I married Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689 =]
"9 Hildegarde.[233, iii, 689],[73, p. 48],[466],[467] Hildegarde was alive ca 970.[467] was alive ca 1020.[467] Hildegarde died bef 1023.[233, iii, 689 +] Hildegarde is suggested to be a granddaughter of Hugh I, Count of Maine.[466]
"10 Rotrou Seigneur of Nogent.[467] Rotrou was alive in 967.[467] was alive in 996.[467] Seigneur of Nogent .[467]
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82. Call, Michel L., Royal Ancestors of Some American Families ; Pedigree Charts., Printed by the author, 1991.
104. Turton, William Harry, The Plantagenet ancestry, Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1993.
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233. Schwennicke, Detlev (ed.), Europaische Stammtafeln : Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten / begrundet von Wilhelm Karl Prinz zu Isenburg ; fortgefuhrt von Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven ; neue Folge herausgegeben vonŠ., Marburg: Stargardt, 1978-<1995 >.
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466. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., ³ŒUn vassal sans histoire¹?: Count Hugh II (c. 940/955-992) and the Origins of Angevin Overlordship in Maine,² K.S.B. Keats-Rohan (ed.), Family Trees and the Roots of Politics, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK: Boydell Press, 1997, 189-210.
467. Settipani, Christian, ³Les comtes d¹Anjou et leurs alliances aux Xe et XIe siecles,² K.S.B. Keats-Rohan (ed.), Family Trees and the Roots of Politics, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK: Boydell Press, 1997, 211-267.
74. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before 1700; 7th ed., with additions and correctiuons by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; assisted by David Faris, Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1992.
82. Call, Michel L., Royal Ancestors of Some American Families ; Pedigree Charts., Printed by the author, 1991.
104. Turton, William Harry, The Plantagenet ancestry, Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1993.
151. Stuart, Roderick W., Royalty for commoners : the complete known lineage of John of Gaunt. . . second edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 1992.
233. Schwennicke, Detlev (ed.), Europaische Stammtafeln : Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten / begrundet von Wilhelm Karl Prinz zu Isenburg ; fortgefuhrt von Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven ; neue Folge herausgegeben vonŠ., Marburg: Stargardt, 1978-<1995 >.
376. Winkhaus, Eberhard, Ahnen Zu Karl Dem Grossen Und Widukind, Westfalen, 1950.
411. Barlow, Frank, William Rufus, Berkeley: University of California Press, 1983.
466. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., ³ŒUn vassal sans histoire¹?: Count Hugh II (c. 940/955-992) and the Origins of Angevin Overlordship in Maine,² K.S.B. Keats-Rohan (ed.), Family Trees and the Roots of Politics, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK: Boydell Press, 1997, 189-210.
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Alan B. Wilson abwilson@uclink2.berkeley.edu“.16 As of 950, Hugues I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudunm, Archevêque de Tours was also known as (?)4 He was vicomte de Châteaudun
Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "989-1003 : Hugues Ier († 1023), fils du précédent [Geoffroy I], vicomte de Châteaudun, puis (1003) archevêque de Tours“ between 989 and 1003.11,10 He was Archevêque de Tours between 1003 and 1023.11,10
Citations
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_I,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counts_and_Viscounts_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#HuguesChateaudundied989. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_I,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#_Toc479931729
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff006.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_II,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vicomtes de Châteaudun, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S4748] France Balade, online <http://www.francebalade.com/>, Les Vicomtes de Chateaudun: http://www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm. Hereinafter cited as France Balade Website (FR).
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes et vicomtes de Châteaudun: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_et_vicomtes_de_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hugues Ier de Châteaudun; https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugues_Ier_de_Ch%C3%A2teaudun
- [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hervé Ier de Mortagne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_Ier_de_Mortagne
- [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 16 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff004.htm
- [S1529] Alan B. Wilson, "Wilson email 5 June 1998 "Early viscounts of Chateaudun"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/g1HK4TjyRZg/m/B_wyzebDT3AJ) to soc.genealogy.medieval, 5 June 1998, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/g1HK4TjyRZg/m/B_wyzebDT3AJ (accessed 16 Aug 2020). Hereinafter cited as "Wilson email 5 June 1998."
Waldred (?)1
M, #93041, d. 984
Father | Immed I (II) (?)1 d. 954 |
Last Edited | 20 Aug 2020 |
Waldred (?) married Bertha von Liesgau.2,1
Waldred (?) died in 984.1
; Per Med Lands: "[WALDERED . [984]. m BERTHA, sister of BURKHARD Graf im Liesgau, daughter of ---. [984]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified."1
; Per Med Lands:
"Brother and sister, parents not known:
Waldred (?) died in 984.1
; Per Med Lands: "[WALDERED . [984]. m BERTHA, sister of BURKHARD Graf im Liesgau, daughter of ---. [984]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified."1
; Per Med Lands:
"Brother and sister, parents not known:
24. BURKHARD . Graf im Liesgau.
25. BERTHA . m WALDERED, son of [Graf IMMED [II] & his wife --- (-984 or after)."2
25. BERTHA . m WALDERED, son of [Graf IMMED [II] & his wife --- (-984 or after)."2
Family | Bertha von Liesgau |
Child |
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Citations
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#Waldereddied984orafter. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#BerthaMWaldered
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#dauSiegbertMLotharUdoStade
NN de Châteaudun1
F, #93042
Father | Geoffroy I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudun2,3,4,5,6 b. c 906, d. a 986 |
Mother | Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun5,7,8,6 b. 935, d. a 14 Apr 1005 |
Last Edited | 18 Aug 2020 |
NN de Châteaudun married Albert II de la Ferté-en-Beauce Abbé de Micy, son of Aubert/Albert I de la Ferté-en-Beauce seigneur de La Ferté-en-Beauce and Godeheut de Bellême, before 989.1,7,8,6,9
; une fille épouse d'Albert Abbé de Micy (lié à la famille de Belleme). Ce sont les parents d'Arnulf qui devient Archeveque de Tours en 1023 à la suite de son oncle Hugues.2 NN de Châteaudun was also known as Mélissende(?) of Châteaudun.7,8
; Per Medieval Lands:
"ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce . Motey names Albert as son of Godehildis and her first husband, stating that he became a monk at Jumièges after his wife died and was elected abbé de Saint-Etienne et de Saint-Mesmin near Orléans, but cites no primary source[28]. Abbot at Micy. m (before 989) --- de Châteaudun, daughter of HUGUES Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Hildegarde du Perche. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Albert & his wife had one child:
; Per Med Lands:
"daughter . The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.
"m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce, son of ALBERT [I] de la Ferté-en-Beauce & his wife Godehildis de Bellême."6
; une fille épouse d'Albert Abbé de Micy (lié à la famille de Belleme). Ce sont les parents d'Arnulf qui devient Archeveque de Tours en 1023 à la suite de son oncle Hugues.2 NN de Châteaudun was also known as Mélissende(?) of Châteaudun.7,8
; Per Medieval Lands:
"ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce . Motey names Albert as son of Godehildis and her first husband, stating that he became a monk at Jumièges after his wife died and was elected abbé de Saint-Etienne et de Saint-Mesmin near Orléans, but cites no primary source[28]. Abbot at Micy. m (before 989) --- de Châteaudun, daughter of HUGUES Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Hildegarde du Perche. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Albert & his wife had one child:
(a) ARNOUL de la Ferté-en-Beauce (-1053). "Arnulphus ex nobili Alençoniorum et Bellismensium comitum genere, nepos Avesgaudi et consobrinus Gervasii" was elected archbishop of Tours[29]. Archbishop of Tours 1023.9
; Per Med Lands:
"daughter . The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.
"m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce, son of ALBERT [I] de la Ferté-en-Beauce & his wife Godehildis de Bellême."6
Citations
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_I,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S4748] France Balade, online <http://www.francebalade.com/>. Hereinafter cited as France Balade Website (FR).
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff006.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
- [S1702] The Henry Project, online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/hilde002.htm
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#dauHuguesChateaudunMAlbertFerte. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S4748] France Balade Website (FR), online http://www.francebalade.com/, http://www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vicomtes de Châteaudun, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#AlbertIIFerteMChateaudun
Albert II de la Ferté-en-Beauce Abbé de Micy1
M, #93043
Father | Aubert/Albert I de la Ferté-en-Beauce seigneur de La Ferté-en-Beauce2,1 |
Mother | Godeheut de Bellême1,2 b. c 950 |
Last Edited | 18 Aug 2020 |
Albert II de la Ferté-en-Beauce Abbé de Micy married NN de Châteaudun, daughter of Geoffroy I (?) Vicomte de Châteaudun and Hildegarde (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun, before 989.3,4,5,6,1
; Per France Balade: "Albert Abbé de Micy (lié à la famille de Belleme.)4" Albert II de la Ferté-en-Beauce Abbé de Micy was also known as Albert Abbé de Micy.7
; Per Medieval Lands:
"ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce . Motey names Albert as son of Godehildis and her first husband, stating that he became a monk at Jumièges after his wife died and was elected abbé de Saint-Etienne et de Saint-Mesmin near Orléans, but cites no primary source[28]. Abbot at Micy. m (before 989) --- de Châteaudun, daughter of HUGUES Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Hildegarde du Perche. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Albert & his wife had one child:
; Per Med Lands:
"daughter . The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.
"m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce, son of ALBERT [I] de la Ferté-en-Beauce & his wife Godehildis de Bellême."6
; Per France Balade: "Albert Abbé de Micy (lié à la famille de Belleme.)4" Albert II de la Ferté-en-Beauce Abbé de Micy was also known as Albert Abbé de Micy.7
; Per Medieval Lands:
"ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce . Motey names Albert as son of Godehildis and her first husband, stating that he became a monk at Jumièges after his wife died and was elected abbé de Saint-Etienne et de Saint-Mesmin near Orléans, but cites no primary source[28]. Abbot at Micy. m (before 989) --- de Châteaudun, daughter of HUGUES Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Hildegarde du Perche. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Albert & his wife had one child:
(a) ARNOUL de la Ferté-en-Beauce (-1053). "Arnulphus ex nobili Alençoniorum et Bellismensium comitum genere, nepos Avesgaudi et consobrinus Gervasii" was elected archbishop of Tours[29]. Archbishop of Tours 1023.1
; Per Med Lands:
"daughter . The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.
"m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce, son of ALBERT [I] de la Ferté-en-Beauce & his wife Godehildis de Bellême."6
Family | NN de Châteaudun |
Child |
Citations
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#AlbertIIFerteMChateaudun. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#GodehildisBellemeM2RaoulIIIMaine
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_I,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S4748] France Balade, online <http://www.francebalade.com/>, http://www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm. Hereinafter cited as France Balade Website (FR).
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vicomtes de Châteaudun, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#dauHuguesChateaudunMAlbertFerte
- [S4748] France Balade Website (FR), online http://www.francebalade.com/
Routrou (?) Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou, Comte de Corbon1,2
M, #93044, b. circa 930, d. after 996
Reference | GAV28 |
Last Edited | 18 Aug 2020 |
Routrou (?) Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou, Comte de Corbon was born circa 930.1
Routrou (?) Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou, Comte de Corbon died after 996.2
GAV-28.
; This is the same person as ”Rotrou de Nogent” at Wikipédia (FR).2 He was seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou between 962 and 990.3,1 He was living between 967 and 996.4
Routrou (?) Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou, Comte de Corbon died after 996.2
GAV-28.
; This is the same person as ”Rotrou de Nogent” at Wikipédia (FR).2 He was seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou between 962 and 990.3,1 He was living between 967 and 996.4
Family | |
Child |
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Citations
- [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Rotrou de Nogent: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotrou_de_Nogent. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Fulcois du Perche: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulcois_du_Perche
- [S1529] Alan B. Wilson, "Wilson email 5 June 1998 "Early viscounts of Chateaudun"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/g1HK4TjyRZg/m/B_wyzebDT3AJ) to soc.genealogy.medieval, 5 June 1998. Hereinafter cited as "Wilson email 5 June 1998."
- [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes du Perche: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_du_Perche
Geoffroy (?)1
M, #93046, d. after 1028
Father | Geoffroy II/III (?) Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Mortagne, seigneur of Nogent-le-Rotrou1,2 b. bt 970 - 975, d. bt 1038 - 1039 |
Mother | Helvidis/Helvise (?)1,3,2 b. c 995 |
Last Edited | 17 Aug 2020 |
Geoffroy (?) died after 1028; Settipani says fl. 1015-1028.1,3
; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.
I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.4,5,6,7,8,3,9,10 He was living between 1015 and 1028.3
; NB: The lineage of the Vicomtes de Châteaudun is not clear. A 1998 email from Wilson [reprinted in a separate note, here] outlines the more-or-less received wisdom at that point. Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun) show two different lines for the early vicomtes. France Balade shows one line. Genealogics seems to skip the early generations. Wikipedia and Wikipédia (Fr.) offer slightly different lines. Settipani [2000] presents a synthesis of the various facts available into a more coherent picture. I show here what each source says about the generations in a direct line from Geoffroy III Vicomte de Châteaudun (b. ca 980 - d. 1040), backward. In each descent, I have underlined this individual.
The Henry Project page on "Geoffroy (II)" (Geoffrey II/III, d. 1038/39, has a good discussion on the ancestry of this individual and of the vicomtes de Châteaudun. It is worth referring to that discussion to get more clarity on the issues and individuals I discuss here.
I. Med Lands: Med Lands shows to lines, running roughly 967-1080, but no connection is described between the two lines.
I. A. Med Lands Line 1 - This starts with a Geoffrey and runs 4 generations:
I.A.1. GEOFFROY, son of --- (-after 986).
I.A.2. HUGUES (I) (-989 or after). Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.A.3. HUGUES (II) de Châteaudun (-10 Jun 1026). Vicomte de Châteaudun (980/1003), Archbishop of Tours 1005, two illegitimate sons by an unknown mistress or mistresses
I.A.4. HELGAUD
I.A.4. HUGUES
I.A.3. ADALAUD.
I.A.3. [MELISENDE (-before 1040). Vicomtesse de Châteaudun. m FULCOIS Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou Comte de Mortagne
I.A.3. NN daughter . m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce
I.A.2. HUGUES (I) (-989 or after). Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.A.3. HUGUES (II) de Châteaudun (-10 Jun 1026). Vicomte de Châteaudun (980/1003), Archbishop of Tours 1005, two illegitimate sons by an unknown mistress or mistresses
I.A.4. HELGAUD
I.A.4. HUGUES
I.A.3. ADALAUD.
I.A.3. [MELISENDE (-before 1040). Vicomtesse de Châteaudun. m FULCOIS Seigneur de Nogent-le-Rotrou Comte de Mortagne
I.A.3. NN daughter . m (before 989) ALBERT [II] de la Ferté-en-Beauce
I.B. Med Lands Line 2 - This starts with a Rotrou and runs 4 generations:
I.B.1. ROTROU (-after 12 Feb 996). Seigneur de Nogent.
I.B.2. FULCOIS Comte de Mortagne. m MELISENDE Vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of [HUGUES [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun [NB: It is not explained if this Hugues [I] is one of the Hugues in Line #1]
I.B.3. GEOFFROY (-murdered Chartres [1039/40]) m HELVISE [Elisabeth] Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.B.4. GEOFFROY (-[1015/28] or after).
I.B.4. HUGUES m ADELA, daughter of ---.
I.B.4. ROTROU (-1 Mar [1080]). Vicomte de Châteaudun. Comte de Mortagne m ADELISE de Bellême
I.B.3. Hugues du Perche Comte de Gâtinais m ([1000]) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Mâcon
I.B.4. GEOFFROY [II] "Ferréol" de Gâtinais (-30 Apr [1043/47]), Comte de Gâtinais, Seigneur de Château-Landon. m ([1035]) as her first husband, ERMENGARDE d'Anjou. Descendants COMTES d'ANJOU
I.B.4. LIETAUD (-[1050] or after). Descendants VICOMTES de CHÂTEAU-LANDON
I.B.2. FULCOIS Comte de Mortagne. m MELISENDE Vicomtesse de Châteaudun, daughter of [HUGUES [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun [NB: It is not explained if this Hugues [I] is one of the Hugues in Line #1]
I.B.3. GEOFFROY (-murdered Chartres [1039/40]) m HELVISE [Elisabeth] Vicomte de Châteaudun
I.B.4. GEOFFROY (-[1015/28] or after).
I.B.4. HUGUES m ADELA, daughter of ---.
I.B.4. ROTROU (-1 Mar [1080]). Vicomte de Châteaudun. Comte de Mortagne m ADELISE de Bellême
I.B.3. Hugues du Perche Comte de Gâtinais m ([1000]) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Mâcon
I.B.4. GEOFFROY [II] "Ferréol" de Gâtinais (-30 Apr [1043/47]), Comte de Gâtinais, Seigneur de Château-Landon. m ([1035]) as her first husband, ERMENGARDE d'Anjou. Descendants COMTES d'ANJOU
I.B.4. LIETAUD (-[1050] or after). Descendants VICOMTES de CHÂTEAU-LANDON
II. Racines et Histoire (Châteaudun): Racines et Histoire also shows two lineages, without any connection described.
II.A. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.A.1. Mathilde de Vendôme ° ~960 ép. ~972 Rampo de Châteaudun ° ~954 + 986 1er seigneur de Châteaudun
II.A.2. Hugues 1er de Châteaudun ° ~975 + ~1012 seigneur de Châteaudun ép. Hildegarde
II.A.3. Mélissende de Châteaudun ° 997 + 1035 ép. Guarin d’Alençon (alias Foulques de Mortagne ?) seigneur de Mortagne + 1026
II.A.4. Geoffroi 1er d’Alençon ° ~1012 + ~1051 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et d’Illiers (fortifie Gallardon) ép. Helvise, dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres)
II.A.5. Rotrou 1er de Châteaudun ° ~1034 + avant 1079 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et Châteaudun ép. ~1050 Adeline de Domfront (fille de Guarin de Bellême, seigneur de Domfront)
II.A.2. Hugues 1er de Châteaudun ° ~975 + ~1012 seigneur de Châteaudun ép. Hildegarde
II.A.3. Mélissende de Châteaudun ° 997 + 1035 ép. Guarin d’Alençon (alias Foulques de Mortagne ?) seigneur de Mortagne + 1026
II.A.4. Geoffroi 1er d’Alençon ° ~1012 + ~1051 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et d’Illiers (fortifie Gallardon) ép. Helvise, dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres)
II.A.5. Rotrou 1er de Châteaudun ° ~1034 + avant 1079 comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent et Châteaudun ép. ~1050 Adeline de Domfront (fille de Guarin de Bellême, seigneur de Domfront)
II.B. Racines et Histoire Line 1 - 5 generations:
II.B.1. Rampo de Châteaudun 1er vicomte de Châteaudun ~860 à titre d’office
II.B.2. Geoffroi vicomte de Chartres et de Châteaudun ~940
II.B.3. Geoffroi 1er de Châteaudun vicomte de Châteaudun (967-986) ép. Hildegarde ° 970 + 1020 (petite-fille d’Hugues 1er, comte du Maine et veuve de Ernaud, seigneur de La Ferté-Vidame)
II.B.4. Hugues 1er + 12/05/1023 vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003), seigneur du Vivier, Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023)
II.B.4. Geoffroi II vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023) seigneur de Nogent (987, Perche) ép. Mélissende de Nogent (fille de Rotrou, seigneur de Nogent de 950 à 990)
II.B.5. Geoffroi III ° ~1012 + 1040 (Chartres, ass.) vicomte de Châteaudun (1023-1040) comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent, Châtelain d’Illiers et de Gallardon ép. Helvise Corbon (Héloïse, Avoise, Elisabeth) dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Foulques dit «Corbon», comte de Mortagne) [ ? ou Héloïse de Pithiviers (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres ?) ]
II.B.4. Alo (Adalard) seigneur de Chinon ép. Senagaudis
II.B.4. Mélissende ? ép. Albert, Abbé de Micy (de la famille des Bellême)
II.B.2. Geoffroi vicomte de Chartres et de Châteaudun ~940
II.B.3. Geoffroi 1er de Châteaudun vicomte de Châteaudun (967-986) ép. Hildegarde ° 970 + 1020 (petite-fille d’Hugues 1er, comte du Maine et veuve de Ernaud, seigneur de La Ferté-Vidame)
II.B.4. Hugues 1er + 12/05/1023 vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003), seigneur du Vivier, Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023)
II.B.4. Geoffroi II vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023) seigneur de Nogent (987, Perche) ép. Mélissende de Nogent (fille de Rotrou, seigneur de Nogent de 950 à 990)
II.B.5. Geoffroi III ° ~1012 + 1040 (Chartres, ass.) vicomte de Châteaudun (1023-1040) comte de Mortagne, seigneur de Nogent, Châtelain d’Illiers et de Gallardon ép. Helvise Corbon (Héloïse, Avoise, Elisabeth) dame de Mortagne ° ~1010 (fille de Foulques dit «Corbon», comte de Mortagne) [ ? ou Héloïse de Pithiviers (fille de Rainard, seigneur de Pithiviers, et d’Héloïse, fille d’Eudes 1er comte de Chartres ?) ]
II.B.4. Alo (Adalard) seigneur de Chinon ép. Senagaudis
II.B.4. Mélissende ? ép. Albert, Abbé de Micy (de la famille des Bellême)
III. France Balade: France Balade presents a fragmented view of the various Vicomtes from a Rampo (ca 860) down to Geoffroy III (d. 1040), in 4 or 5 generations.
III.A.1. Rampo - Vicomte de Châteaudun, à titre d'office, dans les années 860.
III.B.2. Geoffroy Vicomte de Chartres (les années 940) "il semble avoir assuré les fonctions de Vicomte de Châteaudun à cette époque meme s'il n'en portait pas explicitement le titre." [Translation: "he seems to have assumed the functions of Vicomte de Châteaudun at that time even if he did not explicitly bear the title."] No connection to Rampo is described.
III.B.2. Geoffroy I (967-986), Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the former, m. Hildegarde widow of Ernaud Seigneur de la Ferté(-Vidame)
III.B.3. Hugues I Vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003) then Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde
III.B.3. Geoffroy II Vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde, m. Mélissende, dau. of Rotrou, Seigneur de Nogent.
III.B.4. Geoffroy III (1023-1040), son Geoffroy II, Vicomte de Châteaudun, Seigneur de Nogent dans le Perche, m. Helvise (Héloise) de Mortagne fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (aka Corbon)
III.B.2. Geoffroy Vicomte de Chartres (les années 940) "il semble avoir assuré les fonctions de Vicomte de Châteaudun à cette époque meme s'il n'en portait pas explicitement le titre." [Translation: "he seems to have assumed the functions of Vicomte de Châteaudun at that time even if he did not explicitly bear the title."] No connection to Rampo is described.
III.B.2. Geoffroy I (967-986), Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the former, m. Hildegarde widow of Ernaud Seigneur de la Ferté(-Vidame)
III.B.3. Hugues I Vicomte de Châteaudun (989-1003) then Archevêque de Tours (1003-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde
III.B.3. Geoffroy II Vicomte de Châteaudun (1004-1023), son of Geoffroy and Hildegarde, m. Mélissende, dau. of Rotrou, Seigneur de Nogent.
III.B.4. Geoffroy III (1023-1040), son Geoffroy II, Vicomte de Châteaudun, Seigneur de Nogent dans le Perche, m. Helvise (Héloise) de Mortagne fille de Foulques Comte de Mortagne (aka Corbon)
IV. Genealogics: Genealogics only describes 2 generations:
IV.A.1. Fulcois Vicomte de Châteaudun m. Mélissende Nogent (no parents given)
IV.A.2 Geoffroy III b. ca 980 d. 1040), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Mortagne m. Helvis/Elizabeth, dau. of Fulcuich, Comte de Corbon.
IV.A.2 Geoffroy III b. ca 980 d. 1040), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Mortagne m. Helvis/Elizabeth, dau. of Fulcuich, Comte de Corbon.
V. Wikipedia: Wikipedia lists 10 Viscounts/Vicountesses of Châteaudun from Geoffrey I to Geoffrey III, some of whom are shown as related.
V.1. Geoffrey I (967–985), Viscount of Châteaudun
V.2. Hugues I (985–989), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous m.
V.2. Hildegarde (989–1022), Viscountess of Châteaudun, wife of the previous
V.3. Hugues II (1022–1026), Viscount of Châteaudun and Archbishop of Tours, son of the previous
V.4. Geoffrey II (1030–1039), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Geoffrey I), son of the previous
V.5. Hugues III de Perche (1039–1044), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Hugues I), son of the previous
V.5. Rotrou I de Perche (1044–1080), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Rotrou II), brother of the previous
V.6. Hugues IV (1080–1110), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.7. Geoffrey III (1110–1145), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.3. Melisende (1026–1030), Viscountess of Châteaudun, sister of the previous
V.2. Hugues I (985–989), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous m.
V.2. Hildegarde (989–1022), Viscountess of Châteaudun, wife of the previous
V.3. Hugues II (1022–1026), Viscount of Châteaudun and Archbishop of Tours, son of the previous
V.4. Geoffrey II (1030–1039), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Geoffrey I), son of the previous
V.5. Hugues III de Perche (1039–1044), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Hugues I), son of the previous
V.5. Rotrou I de Perche (1044–1080), Viscount of Châteaudun and Count of Perche (as Rotrou II), brother of the previous
V.6. Hugues IV (1080–1110), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.7. Geoffrey III (1110–1145), Viscount of Châteaudun, son of the previous
V.3. Melisende (1026–1030), Viscountess of Châteaudun, sister of the previous
VI. Wikipédia (Fr.): Wikipédia (Fr.) lists 9 various Vicomtes (without Vicomtesses) covering 6 generations (initial dates are approximate reigns as Vicomte):
VI.A.1. ca 860 Rampo
VI.B.1. 956-986 : Geoffroy Ier (Gauzfred), vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegarde ou Ermengarde
VI.B.2. 989-1003 : Hugues I (d. 1023), son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, then (1003) Archevêque de Tours
VI.B.2. Unnamed brother or sister of the previous
VI.B.3. 1003-1039 : Geoffroy II, nephew of Hugues I, vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent
VI.B.4. 1039-1045 : Hugues II, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adila, s.p.
VI.B.4. 1051-1080 : Rotrou Ier, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adelise/Adeline de Bellême-Alençon
VI.B.5. 1080-vers 1110 : Hugues III, vicomte de Châteaudun, dit d'Alençon, son of the previous. m. Agnès de Fréteval
VI.B.6. vers 1110-1140/1150 : Geoffroy III, vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the previous ; m. his 1st cousin Helvise de Mondoubleau-Fréteval
VI.B.1. 956-986 : Geoffroy Ier (Gauzfred), vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegarde ou Ermengarde
VI.B.2. 989-1003 : Hugues I (d. 1023), son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, then (1003) Archevêque de Tours
VI.B.2. Unnamed brother or sister of the previous
VI.B.3. 1003-1039 : Geoffroy II, nephew of Hugues I, vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent
VI.B.4. 1039-1045 : Hugues II, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adila, s.p.
VI.B.4. 1051-1080 : Rotrou Ier, son of the previous, Vicomte de Châteaudun, comte de Mortagne et de Nogent m. Adelise/Adeline de Bellême-Alençon
VI.B.5. 1080-vers 1110 : Hugues III, vicomte de Châteaudun, dit d'Alençon, son of the previous. m. Agnès de Fréteval
VI.B.6. vers 1110-1140/1150 : Geoffroy III, vicomte de Châteaudun, son of the previous ; m. his 1st cousin Helvise de Mondoubleau-Fréteval
VII. Settipani [2000] uses the Latin names given in early sources. He outlines 4 generations from the so-called Gausfred I (Geoffrey I) to Gausfred III (Geoffrey III), plus an earlier ancestor, father of Geoffrey I. An image of a chart from Settipani's paper is attached to demonstrate the total structure he proposed.
VII.A.I. Gausfred (900-aft 942), Vicomte de Chartres
VII.A.2. Gausfred (925-986/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Hildegardis (ca 935 - aft ca 1020)
VII.A.3. Hugo (950-1023), Vicomte de Châteaudun, Archevêque de Tours
VII.A.3. Fulcois (ca 950/5-bef 1003), Comte de Perche m. Melisendis (955-aft 1029) fl. Nogent
VII.A.4. Gausfred (ca 970/75-1038/9), Vicomte de Châteaudun, m. Helvidis (980-unk)
VII.A.5. Rotrocus (1005-aft 1051/60). Vicomte de Châteaudun, Comte de Perche m. Adelais de Bellême
Conclusion: Frankly, I am still trying to organize all of this information in my mind and have not decided on what I will finally show for the ancestors of Geoffrey III. What I currently have should be considered a draft work in progress. I accept the scholarship of Settipani, but am still trying to fit all of the pieces together and evaluate the information given in the other sources. GA Vaut.4,5,6,7,8,3,9,10 He was living between 1015 and 1028.3
Citations
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_II,_Viscount_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#RotrouIMortagnedied1080A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S4756] Christian Settipani, "Les vicomtes de Châteaudun et leurs alliés," in Onomastique et Parenté dans l’Occident médiéval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and Christian Settipani, editor. (Linacre College, Oxford University: Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research, 2000). Hereinafter cited as "Settipani [2000] Les vicomtes de Châteaudun."
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Vicomtes de Châteaudun, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chateaudun-Vicomtes.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/cfrachacha.htm#_Toc479931729
- [S4748] France Balade, online <http://www.francebalade.com/>, Les Vicomtes de Chateaudun: http://www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm. Hereinafter cited as France Balade Website (FR).
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Liste des comtes et vicomtes de Châteaudun: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_et_vicomtes_de_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counts_and_Viscounts_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun
- [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 16 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
- [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/geoff004.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
Melisende (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun1
F, #93047
Reference | GAV26 |
Last Edited | 16 Aug 2020 |
Melisende (?) vicomtesse de Châteaudun married Warin/Guerin de Bellême Seigneur de Domfront, son of Guillaume de Bellême seigneur of Bellême et d’Alençon and Mathilde/Maud de Ganelon dame de Condé-sur-Noireau.1
GAV-26.
GAV-26.
Family | Warin/Guerin de Bellême Seigneur de Domfront d. 1026 |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Melisende: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00635421&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adeliz de Bellême: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120943&tree=LEO
Guillaume du Perche Comte du Perche, Bishop of Châlons1
M, #93048, d. 18 February 1226
Father | Rotrou II du Perche Comte du Perche1,2 d. 27 Jul 1191 |
Mother | Mahaut (Mathilde) de Blois1,2 d. 1 Jan 1184 |
Last Edited | 19 Oct 2019 |
Guillaume du Perche Comte du Perche, Bishop of Châlons died on 18 February 1226.1
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/4:689.1
; comte du Perche.1,2
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/4:689.1
; comte du Perche.1,2
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume du Perche: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00330770&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counts_and_Viscounts_of_Ch%C3%A2teaudun. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
Emenon/Emeno (?) Comte de Poitou1,2
M, #93049, b. 810, d. 22 June 866
Father | Unknown (?)2 |
Last Edited | 9 Nov 2019 |
Emenon/Emeno (?) Comte de Poitou married (?) (?) de Troyes, daughter of Eudes/Odo I (?) Comte de Châteaudun, de Troyes et de Blois and Wandilmonde (?) of Worms,
;
His 2nd wife.1,2 Emenon/Emeno (?) Comte de Poitou married Sancha (?), daughter of Sancho I Loup (?) Duke of Gascony/Duc de Vasconie,
;
His 1st wife.1 Emenon/Emeno (?) Comte de Poitou was born in 810.2
Emenon/Emeno (?) Comte de Poitou died on 22 June 866 at Rancogne, France (now).2
; Per Wikipedia:
"Emenon (or Emeno) was the Count of Poitou (828–839), Périgord (863–866), and Angoulême (863–866). He was most likely the son of Bernard I, Count of Poitiers, on the basis of onomastics.
"It is unknown who nominated him count of Poitou, but it was probably Pepin I of Aquitaine, at whose side he had fought against the emperor Louis the Pious. During his tenure in Poitou, the Empress Judith was imprisoned in the abbey of Sainte-Croix at Poitiers for a while. The country of Herbauges was taken from him and given in benefice to Ragenold of Neustria. When Pepin died, Emenon joined the nobles who proclaimed Pepin II king. Louis invaded Aquitaine and took Poitiers, passing Christmas there in 839 and appointed Ranulf I in his place as count.
"Emenon became count of Périgord and Angoulême in 863. He died in battle with Landri, Count of Saintes, who was also killed.
"He married Sancha, daughter of Sancho II of Gascony, and left a son, Arnold, who became duke of Gascony. By a second wife, a daughter of Odo I, Count of Troyes, he left two sons: Adhemar (Aymer), who inherited Poitou and Angoulême, and Adalelm, who later became Count of Troyes."1
; Per MedLands:
"EMENON ([810]-Rancogne 22 Jun 866, bur Angoulême Saint-Cybard). He was presumably installed as Comte in Poitou in [826/28] by Pepin I King of Aquitaine. "Himmoni comiti…" is named as present in the charter dated 9 Jun 828 which records a court held by Pepin I King of Aquitaine at Chasseneuil[208]. The abbot of Nouaillé exchanged property with "Hemenone" (no title added) by charter dated Sep [831/32][209]. He supported Pepin I King of Aquitaine against Emperor Louis I "le Pieux" and, after the death of the former (in 838), his son King Pepin II. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that "Emeno…comes Pictavinus" declared "filium Pipini [rex Aquitanie filius imperatoris]" as king of Aquitaine after his father's death, in opposition to the emperor who invaded Poitou and expelled Emenon "et fratrem eius Bernardum"[210]. Emenon sought refuge with his brother Turpion in Angoulême. No primary source evidence has been found which confirms whether Emenon held any specific county between [839] and 863. The Sebastiani Chronicon records that "Muza quidem nomine Gothus, se ritu Mahamentiano…deceptus" invaded southern France and captured "duos…Francorum magnos duces…Sancionem et…Epulonem" and imprisoned them in chains[211]. Jaurgain considers that "Epulonem" was "Emenon Comte de Périgord"[212], although no evidence has been found that Emenon ruled in Périgord at the time. The Histoire Générale de Languedoc dates the event to 850[213]. Jaurgain considers that this is incorrect and redates the event to Oct 853[214]. The Sebastiani Chronicon records that Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks bought peace from Musa, after which the captives were released[215]. "Emmo" (no title added) donated property "in pago Pictavo in condito Vicovedonensi in loco…Mesgonne" to Nouaillé by charter dated Aug 857[216]. Comte d´Angoulême 863: the Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that "Turpio" was killed by the Vikings and was succeeded in Angoulême by "Emeno frater eius"[217]. He died from wounds inflicted by his cousin Landry Comte de Saintes in a dispute over the castle of Bouteville[218]. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that Emenon was killed two years after inheriting Angoulême by "Landrico Sanctionicensi comite" and buried "iuxta basilicam beati Eparchii"[219]. The Annales Engolismenses record the death "866 X Kal Iul" of "Emeno"[220]. The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Emeno frater eius [Turpio] Engolismæ comes" was wounded fighting "Landrico comite Santonensi", died eight days later "in castro Runconia" and was buried "iuxta basilicum beati Eparchii", leaving "parvulum filium Ademarum"[221]. The Adonis Continuatio records that "duo principes Aquitanici, Landricus et Imino" killed each other in battle in 866[222]. The Chronicon Aquitanicum names "Emeno Turpionis frater, Engolismæ comes" when recording his death[223]. m --- de Troyes, daughter of EUDES Comte de Troyes & his wife Wandilmodis ---. Her parentage and marriage are deduced from the charter dated Feb 893 under which her son "Adalelmus…comes" confirmed the donation of "Cadusciam fiscum" to the abbey of Montiéramey by "Rotbertus…comes avunculus noster"[224]. Count Emenon & his wife had two children:
MedLands cites:
; Count of Poitiers.1,3
;
His 2nd wife.1,2 Emenon/Emeno (?) Comte de Poitou married Sancha (?), daughter of Sancho I Loup (?) Duke of Gascony/Duc de Vasconie,
;
His 1st wife.1 Emenon/Emeno (?) Comte de Poitou was born in 810.2
Emenon/Emeno (?) Comte de Poitou died on 22 June 866 at Rancogne, France (now).2
; Per Wikipedia:
"Emenon (or Emeno) was the Count of Poitou (828–839), Périgord (863–866), and Angoulême (863–866). He was most likely the son of Bernard I, Count of Poitiers, on the basis of onomastics.
"It is unknown who nominated him count of Poitou, but it was probably Pepin I of Aquitaine, at whose side he had fought against the emperor Louis the Pious. During his tenure in Poitou, the Empress Judith was imprisoned in the abbey of Sainte-Croix at Poitiers for a while. The country of Herbauges was taken from him and given in benefice to Ragenold of Neustria. When Pepin died, Emenon joined the nobles who proclaimed Pepin II king. Louis invaded Aquitaine and took Poitiers, passing Christmas there in 839 and appointed Ranulf I in his place as count.
"Emenon became count of Périgord and Angoulême in 863. He died in battle with Landri, Count of Saintes, who was also killed.
"He married Sancha, daughter of Sancho II of Gascony, and left a son, Arnold, who became duke of Gascony. By a second wife, a daughter of Odo I, Count of Troyes, he left two sons: Adhemar (Aymer), who inherited Poitou and Angoulême, and Adalelm, who later became Count of Troyes."1
; Per MedLands:
"EMENON ([810]-Rancogne 22 Jun 866, bur Angoulême Saint-Cybard). He was presumably installed as Comte in Poitou in [826/28] by Pepin I King of Aquitaine. "Himmoni comiti…" is named as present in the charter dated 9 Jun 828 which records a court held by Pepin I King of Aquitaine at Chasseneuil[208]. The abbot of Nouaillé exchanged property with "Hemenone" (no title added) by charter dated Sep [831/32][209]. He supported Pepin I King of Aquitaine against Emperor Louis I "le Pieux" and, after the death of the former (in 838), his son King Pepin II. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that "Emeno…comes Pictavinus" declared "filium Pipini [rex Aquitanie filius imperatoris]" as king of Aquitaine after his father's death, in opposition to the emperor who invaded Poitou and expelled Emenon "et fratrem eius Bernardum"[210]. Emenon sought refuge with his brother Turpion in Angoulême. No primary source evidence has been found which confirms whether Emenon held any specific county between [839] and 863. The Sebastiani Chronicon records that "Muza quidem nomine Gothus, se ritu Mahamentiano…deceptus" invaded southern France and captured "duos…Francorum magnos duces…Sancionem et…Epulonem" and imprisoned them in chains[211]. Jaurgain considers that "Epulonem" was "Emenon Comte de Périgord"[212], although no evidence has been found that Emenon ruled in Périgord at the time. The Histoire Générale de Languedoc dates the event to 850[213]. Jaurgain considers that this is incorrect and redates the event to Oct 853[214]. The Sebastiani Chronicon records that Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks bought peace from Musa, after which the captives were released[215]. "Emmo" (no title added) donated property "in pago Pictavo in condito Vicovedonensi in loco…Mesgonne" to Nouaillé by charter dated Aug 857[216]. Comte d´Angoulême 863: the Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that "Turpio" was killed by the Vikings and was succeeded in Angoulême by "Emeno frater eius"[217]. He died from wounds inflicted by his cousin Landry Comte de Saintes in a dispute over the castle of Bouteville[218]. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that Emenon was killed two years after inheriting Angoulême by "Landrico Sanctionicensi comite" and buried "iuxta basilicam beati Eparchii"[219]. The Annales Engolismenses record the death "866 X Kal Iul" of "Emeno"[220]. The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Emeno frater eius [Turpio] Engolismæ comes" was wounded fighting "Landrico comite Santonensi", died eight days later "in castro Runconia" and was buried "iuxta basilicum beati Eparchii", leaving "parvulum filium Ademarum"[221]. The Adonis Continuatio records that "duo principes Aquitanici, Landricus et Imino" killed each other in battle in 866[222]. The Chronicon Aquitanicum names "Emeno Turpionis frater, Engolismæ comes" when recording his death[223]. m --- de Troyes, daughter of EUDES Comte de Troyes & his wife Wandilmodis ---. Her parentage and marriage are deduced from the charter dated Feb 893 under which her son "Adalelmus…comes" confirmed the donation of "Cadusciam fiscum" to the abbey of Montiéramey by "Rotbertus…comes avunculus noster"[224]. Count Emenon & his wife had two children:
"a) ADEMAR [Aimar] (-2 Apr 926, bur Poitiers Saint-Hilaire). The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that Emenon left "filium parvulum Ademarum" when he died[225]. The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Emeno frater eius [Turpio] Engolismæ comes" left "parvulum filium Ademarum"[226]. A recital (undated) of two miracles attributed to relics conserved in the abbey of Charroux names "Ademarus filius Emenonis comitis Engolismensis et frater Turpionis eque comitis Engolismensis"[227]. The date of death and place of burial of "Ademarus comes, Emenonis filius" is recorded in the Chronicon Aquitanicum[228]. After the death of his father, Aimar was still a minor and was welcomed by Comte Vulgrin who had been appointed Comte d'Angoulême[229]. He challenged the succession of Ebles "Mancer" as Comte de Poitou in 890, unsuccessfully besieging Aurillac where the young count had sought refuge[230]. After Eudes King of France installed his brother Robert at Poitiers in 892, Comte Aimar captured the town and installed himself as AIMAR Comte de Poitou. Eudes King of France granted the abbey of Saint-Hilaire de Poitiers to the bishop of Poitiers, at the request of "marchiones…Hrobertus…atque Ademarus", by charter dated to [894][231]. He was confirmed in his possession of the county by King Eudes in Summer 895[232]. He was also recognised as Comte de Limoges in 898[233]. He was expelled in 902 by Comte Ebles "Mancer" who retook the county of Poitou. Comte Aimar sought refuge with his brother-in-law Bernard Comte de Périgueux. He governed Angoulême on behalf of his wife's nephew Comte Guillaume II after the death of his brother-in-law Comte Alduin I. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records the death of "Ademarus comes Pictavensis" and his burial "Pictavis iuxta basilicam Sancti Hilari IV Non Apr"[234]. The death "IV Non Apr 930" of "Ademarus comes Engolismensis" is recorded in the Annales Engolismenses[235]. The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records the burial "930 IV Kal Apr" at Poitou Saint-Hilaire of "Ademarus comes Pictavinus"[236]. m SANCIA d'Angoulême, daughter of [VULGRIN I Comte d'Angoulême & his wife Regilindis de Septimanie] (-Angoulême 4 Apr ----, bur Angoulême, Saint-Cybard). The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that "Ademarus…filius Emenonis" married "Santia" because of his close relations with "Alduino et Willelmo", although it does not specify that she was their sister[237]. On the other hand, the Historia Pontificum et Comitum Engolismensis records that “Ademarus...filius Emenonis” married “Sanciam sororem comitis Petragoricensis Bernardi”[238]. The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records the marriage of "Ademarus…filius Emmenonis" and "Sancia" as he had close relations with "Alduino comiti Engolismensi et Willelmo Petragoricensi"[239], although it does not specify that they were Sancia's brothers. In a later passage, the Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that "Adhemarus" married "sororem Bernardi Santiam", referring to Bernard Comte de Périgord who was the son of "Willelmo Petragoricensi"[240]. The passage is specific, but this relationship seems unlikely to be correct from a chronological point of view: the marriage of Bernard's parents is dated to [892], whereas Adémar must have been born in the early 860s at the latest, which is more consistent with his wife having been Guillaume's sister rather than daughter. "Sanciæ comitissæ" is named as wife of "Ademarus comes Engolismensis" in the Annales Engolismenses[241]. The Chronico Richardi Pictavensis records that "Ademarus filius Emenonis comitis Engolismæ…cum Sancia uxore sua" donated property to the church because they were childless[242]. A recital (undated) of two miracles attributed to relics conserved in the abbey of Charroux names "Sancia" as wife of "Ademarus filius Emenonis comitis Engolismensis", specifying that she was childless[243]. She escaped assassination in 918 at the hands of Lambert Vicomte de Marcillac and his brother Arnaud, who were vassals of the Comte d'Angoulême[244]. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that "Lambertus vicecomes Martiliacensis et Arnaldus frater eius" were killed "a Bernardo" (clarified in a later passage as meaning Bernard, son of Guillaume Comte de Périgord) in revenge for "Santie sororis sue [Alduini]", without further explanation or detail regarding their offence against Sancha[245]. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records the death "II Non Apr" of "Santia" and her burial "iuxta basilicum beati Eparchii"[246].
"b) ADALELM (-Turenne [Oct] 892). An agreement dated 14 Jun 877 of Emperor Charles II "le Chauve", presumably written with his own death in mind, names "…ex comitibus aut Tedericus, aut Balduinus, sive Chuonradus, seu Adalelmus" as those willing to support the emperor's son[247]. He succeeded his maternal uncle in 886 as Comte Palatin de Troyes[248]. Abbo's Bella Parisiciæ Urbis names "consul Ademarus regi copulates eidem progenie" at the siege of Paris in 886, placing him in his family context by also naming "Odo consanguineus sua" in the same paragraph[249]. "Adalelmus…comes" confirmed the donation of "Cadusciam fiscum" to the abbey of Montiéramey by "Rotbertus…comes avunculus noster" by charter dated Feb 893 (presumably should be redated to 892), witnessed by "Hirmengarae comitissae, Berengarii, Arimberti vicecomitis, Fredetti vicecomitis"[250]. The Vita Sancti Geraldi Comitis records that "frater Ademari comitis Adalelmus" led the siege of Aurillac in 892 but was captured and died 14 days later a prisoner at Turenne[251]. m ERMENGARDE, daughter of ---. "Adalelmus…comes" confirmed the donation of "Cadusciam fiscum" to the abbey of Montiéramey by "Rotbertus…comes avunculus noster" by charter dated Feb 893 (presumably should be redated to 892), witnessed by "Hirmengarae comitissae…"[252].
"b) ADALELM (-Turenne [Oct] 892). An agreement dated 14 Jun 877 of Emperor Charles II "le Chauve", presumably written with his own death in mind, names "…ex comitibus aut Tedericus, aut Balduinus, sive Chuonradus, seu Adalelmus" as those willing to support the emperor's son[247]. He succeeded his maternal uncle in 886 as Comte Palatin de Troyes[248]. Abbo's Bella Parisiciæ Urbis names "consul Ademarus regi copulates eidem progenie" at the siege of Paris in 886, placing him in his family context by also naming "Odo consanguineus sua" in the same paragraph[249]. "Adalelmus…comes" confirmed the donation of "Cadusciam fiscum" to the abbey of Montiéramey by "Rotbertus…comes avunculus noster" by charter dated Feb 893 (presumably should be redated to 892), witnessed by "Hirmengarae comitissae, Berengarii, Arimberti vicecomitis, Fredetti vicecomitis"[250]. The Vita Sancti Geraldi Comitis records that "frater Ademari comitis Adalelmus" led the siege of Aurillac in 892 but was captured and died 14 days later a prisoner at Turenne[251]. m ERMENGARDE, daughter of ---. "Adalelmus…comes" confirmed the donation of "Cadusciam fiscum" to the abbey of Montiéramey by "Rotbertus…comes avunculus noster" by charter dated Feb 893 (presumably should be redated to 892), witnessed by "Hirmengarae comitissae…"[252].
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[209] Nouaillé, 13, p. 23.
[210] Adémar de Chabannes III, 16, p. 132.
[211] Sebastiani Chronicon, 25, España Sagrada, Tome XIII, pp. 490-1.
[212] Jaurgain, J. de (1898) La Vasconie, étude historique et critique, première partie (Pau), p. 124.
[213] Histoire Générale de Languedoc (3rd Edn), Tome I, p. 1063.
[214] Jaurgain (1898), p. 124.
[215] Sebastiani Chronicon, 26, España Sagrada, Tome XIII, p. 491.
[216] Nouaillé, 17, p. 31.
[217] Adémar de Chabannes III, 19, pp. 136-7.
[218] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 63.
[219] Adémar de Chabannes III, 19, p. 137.
[220] Annales Engolismenses 866, MGH SS XVI, p. 486.
[221] Chronicon sancti Maxentii Pictavensis, Chroniques des Eglises d'Anjou, p. 369.
[222] Adonis Continuatio Prima, Auctore Anonymo 866, MGH SS II, p. 324.
[223] Chronicon Aquitanicum 840-1025, 844, MGH SS II, p. 253.
[224] Giry, A. 'Etudes carolingiennes. Documents carolingiens de l'abbaye de Montiéramey', Etudes d'histoire du moyen âge dédiées à Gabriel Monod (Paris, 1896), no. 23, p. 133.
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[226] Chronicon sancti Maxentii Pictavensis, Chroniques des Eglises d'Anjou, p. 369.
[227] Monsabert, D. P. de (ed.) (1910) Chartes et documents pour servir à l'histoire de l'abbaye de Charroux, Archives historiques du Poitou Tome XXXIX (Poitiers) ("Charroux"), p. 48.
[228] Chronicon Aquitanicum 840-1025, 844, MGH SS II, p. 253.
[229] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 64.
[230] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 69-70.
[231] ´Documents pour l´histoire de l´église de Saint-Hilaire de Poitiers´, Mémoires de la société des antiquaires de l´ouest, année 1847 (Poitiers, 1848) ("Saint-Hilaire de Poitiers"), XII, p. 16.
[232] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 74.
[233] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 75.
[234] Adémar de Chabannes III, 23, p. 143.
[235] Annales Engolismenses, MGH SS IV, p. 5.
[236] Chronicon sancti Maxentii Pictavensis, Chroniques des Eglises d'Anjou, p. 375.
[237] Adémar de Chabannes III, 21 and 23, pp. 140 and 145.
[238] Castaigne, J. F. E. (ed.) (1853) Rerum Engolismensium Scriptores (Angoulême), Historia Pontificum et Comitum Engolismensis, XIV, p. 20.
[239] Chronicon sancti Maxentii Pictavensis, Chroniques des Eglises d'Anjou, p. 372.
[240] Adémar de Chabannes III, 23, p. 145.
[241] Annales Engolismenses, MGH SS IV, p. 5.
[242] Chronico Richardi Pictavensis, RHGF IX, p.21.
[243] Charroux, p. 48.
[244] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 76.
[245] Adémar de Chabannes III, 23, p. 145.
[246] Adémar de Chabannes III, 23, p. 145.
[247] Karoli II Imp. Conventus Carisiacensis, MGH LL 1, p. 537.
[248] Settipani, C. (2004) La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien. Etudes sur quelques grandes familles d'Aquitaine et du Languedoc du IXe au XIe siècles (Prosopographica et Genealogica, Oxford), p. 257.
[249] Abbonis Bella Parisiacæ Urbis I, MGH Poetæ Latini ævi Carolini IV.I, p. 113.
[250] Giry 'Etudes carolingiennes', 23, p. 133.
[251] Vita S Geraldi Comitis 46, Acta Sanctorum Octobre, VI, p. 312, and Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 70.
[252] Giry 'Etudes carolingiennes', 23, p. 133.2
[209] Nouaillé, 13, p. 23.
[210] Adémar de Chabannes III, 16, p. 132.
[211] Sebastiani Chronicon, 25, España Sagrada, Tome XIII, pp. 490-1.
[212] Jaurgain, J. de (1898) La Vasconie, étude historique et critique, première partie (Pau), p. 124.
[213] Histoire Générale de Languedoc (3rd Edn), Tome I, p. 1063.
[214] Jaurgain (1898), p. 124.
[215] Sebastiani Chronicon, 26, España Sagrada, Tome XIII, p. 491.
[216] Nouaillé, 17, p. 31.
[217] Adémar de Chabannes III, 19, pp. 136-7.
[218] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 63.
[219] Adémar de Chabannes III, 19, p. 137.
[220] Annales Engolismenses 866, MGH SS XVI, p. 486.
[221] Chronicon sancti Maxentii Pictavensis, Chroniques des Eglises d'Anjou, p. 369.
[222] Adonis Continuatio Prima, Auctore Anonymo 866, MGH SS II, p. 324.
[223] Chronicon Aquitanicum 840-1025, 844, MGH SS II, p. 253.
[224] Giry, A. 'Etudes carolingiennes. Documents carolingiens de l'abbaye de Montiéramey', Etudes d'histoire du moyen âge dédiées à Gabriel Monod (Paris, 1896), no. 23, p. 133.
[225] Adémar de Chabannes III, 19, p. 137.
[226] Chronicon sancti Maxentii Pictavensis, Chroniques des Eglises d'Anjou, p. 369.
[227] Monsabert, D. P. de (ed.) (1910) Chartes et documents pour servir à l'histoire de l'abbaye de Charroux, Archives historiques du Poitou Tome XXXIX (Poitiers) ("Charroux"), p. 48.
[228] Chronicon Aquitanicum 840-1025, 844, MGH SS II, p. 253.
[229] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 64.
[230] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 69-70.
[231] ´Documents pour l´histoire de l´église de Saint-Hilaire de Poitiers´, Mémoires de la société des antiquaires de l´ouest, année 1847 (Poitiers, 1848) ("Saint-Hilaire de Poitiers"), XII, p. 16.
[232] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 74.
[233] Richard (1903) Tome I, p. 75.
[234] Adémar de Chabannes III, 23, p. 143.
[235] Annales Engolismenses, MGH SS IV, p. 5.
[236] Chronicon sancti Maxentii Pictavensis, Chroniques des Eglises d'Anjou, p. 375.
[237] Adémar de Chabannes III, 21 and 23, pp. 140 and 145.
[238] Castaigne, J. F. E. (ed.) (1853) Rerum Engolismensium Scriptores (Angoulême), Historia Pontificum et Comitum Engolismensis, XIV, p. 20.
[239] Chronicon sancti Maxentii Pictavensis, Chroniques des Eglises d'Anjou, p. 372.
[240] Adémar de Chabannes III, 23, p. 145.
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[247] Karoli II Imp. Conventus Carisiacensis, MGH LL 1, p. 537.
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[252] Giry 'Etudes carolingiennes', 23, p. 133.2
; Count of Poitiers.1,3
Family 1 | Sancha (?) |
Child |
Family 2 | (?) (?) de Troyes |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emenon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, AQUITAINE, DUKES - COMTES de POITOU [828]-902 (FAMILY of EMENON): http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AQUITAINE.htm#Bernarddied844. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_Poitiers
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_of_Gascony
Aznar Sánchez Comte de Gascogne1
M, #93051, d. 836
Father | Sancho I Loup (?) Duke of Gascony/Duc de Vasconie1 d. b 812 |
Last Edited | 7 May 2020 |
Aznar Sánchez Comte de Gascogne died in 836.2
Aznar Sánchez Comte de Gascogne was buried in 836 at Alonense Monastery .2
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Aznar (Asenarius) Sanchez + 836 comte de Jacca X contre Pampelune (824) (fonde un Monastère Aslona ? 835.)3"
; Per Wikipedia:
"Aznar (or Asnar) Sánchez (Basque: Aznar Antso, French: Aznard Sanche, Gascon: Aznar Sans) (died 836) was the Duke of Gascony[1] from 820. He was the supposed son of Sancho I of Gascony, though he has been identified with Aznar Galíndez I, Count of Aragon.
"In 820, Lupo III Centule rose in rebellion against Carolingian authority and Berengar of Toulouse and Guerin of Provence marched against him, defeated him, and installed Aznar, a count of local provenance, in his place.[2] However, both Aragon and Navarre remained outside Carolingian control and western Gascony continued in revolt.
"In 824, according to the Vita Hludowici, the counts Aznar and Aeblus (Eblus atque Asenarius committees) led an army against rebellious Pamplona. According to the Annales regni Francorum of Einhard, they (Aeblus et Asinarius comites) brought a great deal of wealth with them. They were defeated in a "second Roncesvalles"[3] and Pamplona gained its independence while the two counts were captured. Aznar, however, being a relative (consanguineus) of his captors, according to Astronomus, was released.[4]
"Aznar fell out with Berengar's successor in the March of Gothia, Bernard of Septimania. In 828, Gascony revolted again.[5] In 836, Aznar was killed (a horrible death[3]) putting down a revolt in Gascony, which had been in tumult since his absence of 824, and was replaced by his brother Sancho, despite the objections of King Pepin.
Notes
1. Bearing the title of "count of Vasconia Citerior."
2. Lewis, 44.
3. Higounet, 34.
4. Higounet, 34. From the Annales regni Francorum.
5. Lewis, 45 n47.
Sources
** Collins, Roger (1990). The Basques (2nd ed.) Oxford: Basil Blackwell. ISBN 0631175652.
** Higounet, Charles (1963). Bordeaux pendant le haut moyen âge. Bordeaux: Fédération Historique de Sud-Ouest. OCLC 2272117.
** Higounet, Charles (1948). "Les Aznar: une tentative de groupement de comtés gascons et pyrénéens au IXe siècle". Annales du Midi. 61 (1): 5–14.
** Lewis, Archibald R. (1965). The Development of Southern French and Catalan Society, 718–1050. Austin, TX: University of Texas Press.
** Codera y Zaidín, Francisco (1901). "Expedición a Pamplona de los condes francos Eblo y Aznar". Revista de Aragón. 2: 48–52; reprinted in Colección de Estudios Árabes 7 (1903), pp. 185–98."
Wikipédia (Fr.):
"Aznar Sanche, comte de la Vasconie citérieure (Duché de Vasconie)1 et de Jaca, fils de Sanche Ier Loup de 820 à 8362.
"Il est chargé en 824 par Pépin Ier d'Aquitaine de mener une expédition avec le comte Eble contre Pampelune en Navarre. Les habitants font appel aux musulmans, sans doute les Banu Qasi de Tudèle. Les deux comtes tombent à leur retour dans une embuscade tendue par les Vascons d'Eneko Arista à la Bataille de Roncevaux. Eble est envoyé à Cordoue, tandis qu'Aznar, qui est apparenté au vainqueur, est relâché3. La défaite franque marque la fin de la domination carolingienne sur la Navarre et la création d'un royaume de Pampelune indépendant.
"En 831, Aznar se révolte contre Pépin Ier d'Aquitaine et passe dans la Vasconie au sud des Pyrénées. Pépin, occupé par la guerre de succession, ne réagit pas4. Aznar meurt dans des circonstances horribles en 8361. Il est remplacé par son frère Sanche.
[See attached genealogical chart from the original article]
Notes et références
1. Philippe Sénac, La frontière et les hommes, VIIIe-XIIe siècle : le peuplement musulman au nord de l'Èbre et les débuts de la reconquête aragonaise, Maisonneuve & Larose, 2000, 598 p. (ISBN 978-2-7068-1421-1, présentation en ligne [archive])
2. Jean de Jaurgain, La Vasconie : étude historique et critique sur les origines du royaume de Navarre, du duché de Gascogne, des comtés de Comminges, d'Aragon, de Foix, de Bigorre, d'Alava & de Biscaye, de la vicomté de Béarn et des grands fiefs du duché de Gascogne, t. 1, PyréMonde (Ed.Régionalismes), 1898, 447 p. (ISBN 2846181446 et 9782846181846, OCLC 492934726, lire en ligne [archive])
3. Philippe Sénac Les carolingiens et al-Andalus: VIIIe-IXe siècles [archive] Maisonneuve & Larose, 2002 (ISBN 2706816597 et 9782706816598)
4. Juan de Ferreras Histoire generale d'Espagne [archive] Chez Gissey, 1751."4,5
; Per Med Lands:
"AZNAR Sancho (-[836, bur Alsonense monastery]). The Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that "Eblus atque Asenarius comites" were ordered across the Pyrenees to Pamplona in 824[36]. His parentage is confirmed by the reference in the Annales Bertiniani to his brother as "Sancio-Sanci" (see below), although the precise identity of his father as the son of Loup Duke of Gascony has not been confirmed by the primary sources so far consulted. Comte de Gascogne. "Azenario Sancius comes" instructed two priests to restore "la terre de Cazaux" to the abbey of Pessan by charter dated Oct [833], subscribed by "Dato Donati comite, Garsia vice comite, Galindo Azenarii"[37]. Einhard's Annales record that "Aeblus et Asinarius comites" were sent to Pamplona with riches from Gascony but were captured, "Aeblus" being sent to Córdoba while "Asinarius" was allowed to return home as he was "quasi…consanguineus eorum"[38]. The Annales Bertiniani record that "Azenarius quoque citerioris Wasconiæ comes", who had revolted against King Pepin some years earlier, died "a horrible death" in 836[39]. The editor of the Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that "Asenarius comes de Iacca" founded "Alsonense monasterium" in 835 and was buried there in 836[40].
"m ---. The name of Aznar's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "820-836 : Aznar Sanche († 836), comte de Vasconie citérieur, Jaca et de Fezensac, fils de Sanche Loup12."
Source: Christian Settipani, Ibid, page 79 et 81. between 820 and 836.6,7
Aznar Sánchez Comte de Gascogne was buried in 836 at Alonense Monastery .2
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Aznar (Asenarius) Sanchez + 836 comte de Jacca X contre Pampelune (824) (fonde un Monastère Aslona ? 835.)3"
; Per Wikipedia:
"Aznar (or Asnar) Sánchez (Basque: Aznar Antso, French: Aznard Sanche, Gascon: Aznar Sans) (died 836) was the Duke of Gascony[1] from 820. He was the supposed son of Sancho I of Gascony, though he has been identified with Aznar Galíndez I, Count of Aragon.
"In 820, Lupo III Centule rose in rebellion against Carolingian authority and Berengar of Toulouse and Guerin of Provence marched against him, defeated him, and installed Aznar, a count of local provenance, in his place.[2] However, both Aragon and Navarre remained outside Carolingian control and western Gascony continued in revolt.
"In 824, according to the Vita Hludowici, the counts Aznar and Aeblus (Eblus atque Asenarius committees) led an army against rebellious Pamplona. According to the Annales regni Francorum of Einhard, they (Aeblus et Asinarius comites) brought a great deal of wealth with them. They were defeated in a "second Roncesvalles"[3] and Pamplona gained its independence while the two counts were captured. Aznar, however, being a relative (consanguineus) of his captors, according to Astronomus, was released.[4]
"Aznar fell out with Berengar's successor in the March of Gothia, Bernard of Septimania. In 828, Gascony revolted again.[5] In 836, Aznar was killed (a horrible death[3]) putting down a revolt in Gascony, which had been in tumult since his absence of 824, and was replaced by his brother Sancho, despite the objections of King Pepin.
Notes
1. Bearing the title of "count of Vasconia Citerior."
2. Lewis, 44.
3. Higounet, 34.
4. Higounet, 34. From the Annales regni Francorum.
5. Lewis, 45 n47.
Sources
** Collins, Roger (1990). The Basques (2nd ed.) Oxford: Basil Blackwell. ISBN 0631175652.
** Higounet, Charles (1963). Bordeaux pendant le haut moyen âge. Bordeaux: Fédération Historique de Sud-Ouest. OCLC 2272117.
** Higounet, Charles (1948). "Les Aznar: une tentative de groupement de comtés gascons et pyrénéens au IXe siècle". Annales du Midi. 61 (1): 5–14.
** Lewis, Archibald R. (1965). The Development of Southern French and Catalan Society, 718–1050. Austin, TX: University of Texas Press.
** Codera y Zaidín, Francisco (1901). "Expedición a Pamplona de los condes francos Eblo y Aznar". Revista de Aragón. 2: 48–52; reprinted in Colección de Estudios Árabes 7 (1903), pp. 185–98."
Wikipédia (Fr.):
"Aznar Sanche, comte de la Vasconie citérieure (Duché de Vasconie)1 et de Jaca, fils de Sanche Ier Loup de 820 à 8362.
"Il est chargé en 824 par Pépin Ier d'Aquitaine de mener une expédition avec le comte Eble contre Pampelune en Navarre. Les habitants font appel aux musulmans, sans doute les Banu Qasi de Tudèle. Les deux comtes tombent à leur retour dans une embuscade tendue par les Vascons d'Eneko Arista à la Bataille de Roncevaux. Eble est envoyé à Cordoue, tandis qu'Aznar, qui est apparenté au vainqueur, est relâché3. La défaite franque marque la fin de la domination carolingienne sur la Navarre et la création d'un royaume de Pampelune indépendant.
"En 831, Aznar se révolte contre Pépin Ier d'Aquitaine et passe dans la Vasconie au sud des Pyrénées. Pépin, occupé par la guerre de succession, ne réagit pas4. Aznar meurt dans des circonstances horribles en 8361. Il est remplacé par son frère Sanche.
[See attached genealogical chart from the original article]
Notes et références
1. Philippe Sénac, La frontière et les hommes, VIIIe-XIIe siècle : le peuplement musulman au nord de l'Èbre et les débuts de la reconquête aragonaise, Maisonneuve & Larose, 2000, 598 p. (ISBN 978-2-7068-1421-1, présentation en ligne [archive])
2. Jean de Jaurgain, La Vasconie : étude historique et critique sur les origines du royaume de Navarre, du duché de Gascogne, des comtés de Comminges, d'Aragon, de Foix, de Bigorre, d'Alava & de Biscaye, de la vicomté de Béarn et des grands fiefs du duché de Gascogne, t. 1, PyréMonde (Ed.Régionalismes), 1898, 447 p. (ISBN 2846181446 et 9782846181846, OCLC 492934726, lire en ligne [archive])
3. Philippe Sénac Les carolingiens et al-Andalus: VIIIe-IXe siècles [archive] Maisonneuve & Larose, 2002 (ISBN 2706816597 et 9782706816598)
4. Juan de Ferreras Histoire generale d'Espagne [archive] Chez Gissey, 1751."4,5
; Per Med Lands:
"AZNAR Sancho (-[836, bur Alsonense monastery]). The Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that "Eblus atque Asenarius comites" were ordered across the Pyrenees to Pamplona in 824[36]. His parentage is confirmed by the reference in the Annales Bertiniani to his brother as "Sancio-Sanci" (see below), although the precise identity of his father as the son of Loup Duke of Gascony has not been confirmed by the primary sources so far consulted. Comte de Gascogne. "Azenario Sancius comes" instructed two priests to restore "la terre de Cazaux" to the abbey of Pessan by charter dated Oct [833], subscribed by "Dato Donati comite, Garsia vice comite, Galindo Azenarii"[37]. Einhard's Annales record that "Aeblus et Asinarius comites" were sent to Pamplona with riches from Gascony but were captured, "Aeblus" being sent to Córdoba while "Asinarius" was allowed to return home as he was "quasi…consanguineus eorum"[38]. The Annales Bertiniani record that "Azenarius quoque citerioris Wasconiæ comes", who had revolted against King Pepin some years earlier, died "a horrible death" in 836[39]. The editor of the Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that "Asenarius comes de Iacca" founded "Alsonense monasterium" in 835 and was buried there in 836[40].
"m ---. The name of Aznar's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
[36] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 32, MGH SS II, p. 625.
[37] Jaurgain (1898), p. 162, quoting Brugeles, L. C. (1736) Chroniques ecclésiastiques du diocèse d’Auch, Preuves de la IIe partie, p. 34.
[38] Einhardi Annales 824, MGH SS I, p. 213.
[39] Annales Bertiniani II 836, RHGF, Tome VI, p. 196.
[40] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 32, MGH SS II, p. 625 footnote 74, which does not cite the reference for this information.2
He was Ducs de Vasconie (vassaux des Francs et du Royaume d'Aquitaine)[37] Jaurgain (1898), p. 162, quoting Brugeles, L. C. (1736) Chroniques ecclésiastiques du diocèse d’Auch, Preuves de la IIe partie, p. 34.
[38] Einhardi Annales 824, MGH SS I, p. 213.
[39] Annales Bertiniani II 836, RHGF, Tome VI, p. 196.
[40] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 32, MGH SS II, p. 625 footnote 74, which does not cite the reference for this information.2
Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "820-836 : Aznar Sanche († 836), comte de Vasconie citérieur, Jaca et de Fezensac, fils de Sanche Loup12."
Source: Christian Settipani, Ibid, page 79 et 81. between 820 and 836.6,7
Citations
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sancho_II_S%C3%A1nchez_of_Gascony. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GASCONY.htm#_Toc493835074. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes puis Ducs de Gascogne & Fézensac, Armagnac, Astarac (origines), p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Gascogne.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Aznar Sanche: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aznar_Sanche. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aznar_S%C3%A1nchez_of_Gascony
- [S4752] Christian Settipani, "La Noblesse du Midi carolingien: Etudes sur quelques grandes familles d'Aquitaine et du Languedoc du IXe au XIe siècles, Toulousain, Périgord, Limousin, Poitou, Auvergne", Prosopographica et Genealogica 5 (2004): pp. 79 and 81. Hereinafter cited as "La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien."
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, Liste des comtes et ducs de Gascogne: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_et_ducs_de_Gascogne
Arnaul/Arnaud/Arnold (?) Count of Fézensac, Duke of Gascony1
M, #93052, d. 864
Father | Emenon/Emeno (?) Comte de Poitou1 b. 810, d. 22 Jun 866 |
Mother | Sancha (?)1 |
Last Edited | 19 Oct 2019 |
Arnaul/Arnaud/Arnold (?) Count of Fézensac, Duke of Gascony died in 864.1
; Per Wikipedia:
"Arnold (also Arnaut or Arnaud) (died 864) was the Count of Fézensac and briefly Duke of Gascony in 864. He was the son of Emenon, Count of Périgord, and Sancha, daughter of Sancho Sánchez of Gascony. He made his claim on Gascony on his uncle's death.
"In 863, King Charles the Bald nominated him Count of Angoulême and Bordeaux. The next year he became duke defending the Gascon frontier, but he died fighting the Norsemen within months.
Sources
- Higounet, Charles. Bordeaux pendant le haut moyen age. Bordeaux, 1963.
-- Lewis, Archibald R. The Development of Southern French and Catalan Society, 718–1050. University of Texas Press: Austin, 1965.1 He was associated with Arnaul/Arnaud/Arnold (?) Count of Fézensac, Duke of Gascony (an unknown value.)
; Per Wikipedia:
"Arnold (also Arnaut or Arnaud) (died 864) was the Count of Fézensac and briefly Duke of Gascony in 864. He was the son of Emenon, Count of Périgord, and Sancha, daughter of Sancho Sánchez of Gascony. He made his claim on Gascony on his uncle's death.
"In 863, King Charles the Bald nominated him Count of Angoulême and Bordeaux. The next year he became duke defending the Gascon frontier, but he died fighting the Norsemen within months.
Sources
- Higounet, Charles. Bordeaux pendant le haut moyen age. Bordeaux, 1963.
-- Lewis, Archibald R. The Development of Southern French and Catalan Society, 718–1050. University of Texas Press: Austin, 1965.1 He was associated with Arnaul/Arnaud/Arnold (?) Count of Fézensac, Duke of Gascony (an unknown value.)
Citations
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_of_Gascony. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
Nest verch Ieuan ap Gruffudd ap Hywel1
F, #93053
Father | Ieuan ap Gruffudd ap Hywel ap Maredudd2 |
Mother | Efa ferch Gruffudd ap Dafydd Gôch ap Dafydd3 |
Last Edited | 20 Oct 2019 |
Nest verch Ieuan ap Gruffudd ap Hywel married Dafydd Fychan ap Dafydd Llwyd (of Trefeilir) ap Cynwrig ap Gronwy, son of Dafydd Llwyd ap Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa (?) and Angharad ferch Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth.1,4
; Per Genealogics: "may be Angharad ferch Gruffudd ap Dafydd ap Tudur ap Madog ab Iarddur."1
; Per Genealogics: "may be Angharad ferch Gruffudd ap Dafydd ap Tudur ap Madog ab Iarddur."1
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Nest verch Ieuan ap Gruffudd ap Hywel: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00700548&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ieuan ap Gruffudd ap Hywel ap Maredudd: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707875&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Efa ferch Gruffudd ap Dafydd Gôch ap Dafydd: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707879&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dafydd Fychan ap Dafydd Llwyd (of Trefeilir) ap Cynwrig ap Gronwy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00059412&tree=LEO
Dafydd Llwyd ap Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa (?)1
M, #93054
Father | Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa2 |
Last Edited | 20 Oct 2019 |
Dafydd Llwyd ap Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa (?) married Angharad ferch Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth, daughter of Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth.3,1
Reference: Genealogics cites:
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire 1914 , Griffith, John Edwards. 1,100.
2. Welsh Genealogies 300-1400. 8 vols. , Bartrum, Peter C. Hwfa 3.1
2. Welsh Genealogies 300-1400. 8 vols. , Bartrum, Peter C. Hwfa 3.1
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dafydd Llwyd ap Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707865&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707866&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Angharad ferch Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707871&tree=LEO
Angharad ferch Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth1
F, #93055
Father | Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth2 |
Last Edited | 20 Oct 2019 |
Angharad ferch Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth married Dafydd Llwyd ap Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa (?), son of Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa.1,3
Reference: Genealogics cites: Welsh Genealogies 300-1400. 8 vols. , Bartrum, Peter C. 4Llywarch ap Brân 6.1
; Per Genealogics: "not Angharad ferch Gruffudd ap Tudur ap Dafydd."1
Reference: Genealogics cites: Welsh Genealogies 300-1400. 8 vols. , Bartrum, Peter C. 4Llywarch ap Brân 6.1
; Per Genealogics: "not Angharad ferch Gruffudd ap Tudur ap Dafydd."1
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Angharad ferch Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707871&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707872&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dafydd Llwyd ap Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707865&tree=LEO
Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth1
M, #93056
Father | Maredudd ab Iorwerth2 |
Last Edited | 20 Oct 2019 |
Family | |
Child |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hywel Fychan ap Maredudd ab Iorwerth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707872&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maredudd ab Iorwerth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707873&tree=LEO
Maredudd ab Iorwerth1
M, #93057
Father | Iorwerth (?)2 |
Last Edited | 20 Oct 2019 |
Family | |
Child |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maredudd ab Iorwerth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707873&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Iorwerth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707874&tree=LEO
Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa1
M, #93058
Father | Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa2 |
Last Edited | 20 Oct 2019 |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Cynwrig ap Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707866&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707867&tree=LEO
Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa1
M, #93059
Father | Cynwrig Iorwerth ap Hwfa2 |
Last Edited | 20 Oct 2019 |
Family | |
Child |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gronwy ap Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707867&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707868&tree=LEO
Cynwrig Iorwerth ap Hwfa1
M, #93060
Father | Iorwerth ap Hwfa2 |
Last Edited | 20 Oct 2019 |
Family | |
Child |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Cynwrig ab Iorwerth ap Hwfa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707868&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Iorwerth ap Hwfa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00707869&tree=LEO