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     Joan Fitz John was born circa 1245. She married Theobald IV le Boteler, son of Theobald III le Boteler and Margery de Burgh, circa 1268.^1,2,3

Joan Fitz John died circa 26 May 1303.⁴
     EDV-21 GKJ-22.

; Weis AR 73-30.

;

Weis AR.^5,6

     Rohese de Monmouth married Hugh de Lacy, son of Gilbert de Lacy and Agnes (?).^4,5
Rohese de Monmouth was born between 1135 and 1140.⁶
     GAV-23 EDV-23 GKJ-24.

     Mathilde von Vohburg married Friedrich I von Tengling Graf von Tengling.³

     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 16:78.¹

     Diarmait Ua Briain (?) King of Munster married Sahl MacCarty, daughter of Teige MacCarthy,
;
Her 1st husband.^6,3,7 Diarmait Ua Briain (?) King of Munster was born in 1060.¹
Diarmait Ua Briain (?) King of Munster was buried in 1120 at St. Lua's Churchyard, Killaloe, co. Clare, Ireland; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     1120, Killaloe, County Clare, Ireland
     Dermot, son of Turlogh Mór; in 1116 succeeded his brother, Murtogh, as King of Munster. He married Sadhbh, daughter of Teige MacCarthy Mór, King of Desmond, by whom he had issue—two sons, 1. Conor-na-Catharach, and 2. Turlogh. The Princess Sadhbh, on the death of Dermot, married her cousin Cormac Magh-Tamnagh MacCarthy Mór. Dermod, in 1116, was defeated by the O'Niall and their Connacht relatives at Ruadh-Bheithach, near Dunkellin, Co. Galway. He died in A.D. 1120, was interred in Killaloe, and was succeeded by his son Conor, who, dying in 1142, was succeeded by his brother, Turloch.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Turlogh Mor O'Brien 1009–1086
     Siblings
          Murtogh O'Brien unknown–1119
     Children
          Turlogh O'Brien unknown–1167
     BURIAL     St. Lua's Churchyard, Killaloe, County Clare, Ireland
     Created by: Dermot P. Curtin
     Added: 30 Nov 2016
     Find a Grave Memorial 173335700.^8,9
Diarmait Ua Briain (?) King of Munster died in 1120 at Corcach Mór Muman, Ireland; Genealogics says d. 1120; Med Lands says d. 1118.^9,3
      ; This is the same person as ”Diarmait Ua Briain” at Wikipedia.¹ He was King of Munster.⁶ EDV-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Diarmait Ua Briain (?) King of Munster was also known as Dermot O'Brien King of Munster. Diarmait Ua Briain (?) King of Munster was also known as Diarmait O'Brien King of Munster.⁹

; NB: In the 1980's, I inherited an anglicized Irish line from an old World Family Tree (WFT 14-1829) pedigree that I found in the early days of CDs (when I was far less demanding in my genealogical research). From WFT I had:
1 Dermot O'Brien (unk-1120), King of Muster, m. Sahl MacCarty
1.1 Turlock O'Brien (unk-1167), "of Munster", m. Raignait O'Fogurty
1.1.1 Donal Mor O'Brien (unk-1194), m. Urlachan MacMurrough
1.1.1.1 "More" O'Brien (1162-unk), m. William de Burgh (unk-1205)
I am now trying to better understand and clean up this line. In researching for the possible "truth" in this line, I have found several leads:


A. Med Lands, shows a descent under the Kings of Munster that could be this "Dermot", his son "Turlock" and grandson "Donal". The line descends from one TOIRDELBACH, son of DOMNALL of Munster & his wife --- ([1008/09]-Cenn Coradh 14 Jul 1086), as folows:
A.1. TOIRDELBACH, King of Munster, a grandson of Brian Boroma - O'Brien?
A.1.1 DIARMAIT (-Corcach Mór Muman 1118), King of Munster - Dermot?
A.1.1.1 TOIRDELBACH (-1167), King of Munster - Turlock?
A.1.1.1.1 DOMNALL (-1194), King of Munster [sic] - Donal?
Though the female name "Mor" is common in this line, Domnall is not shown as having any offspring, including a daughter named MOR ("More") who might have married William de Burgh. Med Lands provide sources, relying heavily on the Annals of Inisfallen, the Annals of Ulster, and the Annals of Tigernach.


B. Wikipedia provides more direct evidence for the veracity of the WFT line, relying on more modern sources:
B.1 Toirdelbach Ua Briain (1009 – 14 July 1086), King of Munster, grandson of Brian Bóruma, m1 Dubchoblaig (mother of Diarmait), m2 Derbforgaill, m3 Ruaidrí na Saide Buide.
B.1.1 Diarmait Ua Briain (1060–1118), King of Munster, m Mór Ua Conchobair
B.1.1.1 Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (unk-unk), King of Munster, m1 (a dau. of the Mac Carthaigh Mór, d.s.p.), m2 Sadb MacGillapatrick
B.1.1.1.1 Domnall Mór Ua Briain (unk-1194), King of Thomond and claimant to King of Munster, m Orlacan (dau. of Diarmait Mac Murchada) and had a daughter "Mór O'Brien (Princess of Thomond, 1172-1216, who married William de Burgh)"


C. The Wikipedia entry for William de Burgy states: "William's wife was the daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, King of Thomond, whom he married in 1193.[5] A late medieval (A.D. 1397 - A.D. 1418) genealogy found in the Book of Lecan records his marriage to an unnamed daughter of Donmal Mor mac Turlough O'Brien,[6]. This Wikipedia article cites:


D. Weis [2008:168], calls Richard de Burgh "son of William de Burgh ... by his wife, a daughter of Donnell O'Brien, K.T."


E. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (ONDB) article on William de Burgh does indeed report: "According to one Irish source de Burgh was married to a daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, which is consistent with the fact that he was frequently accompanied by his Ó Briain allies, hereditary enemies of the Mac Carthaig and the Ó Conchobhair, in his numerous campaigns in Desmond and Connacht." However, then ONDB adds this caveat: "Although he was married in or before 1193, there is no certainty about the identity of his wife. She may have been an unnamed daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, but the authority for this statement rests solely on the evidence of a late medieval Gaelic genealogy."


F. Genealogics shows the following descent:
F.1 Torlogh O'Brien, King of Munster and Ireland (1009-1086) m Dubchoblaig of the Ui Cheinnselaig
F1.1 Dermod O'Brien, King of Munster (unk-1120) m Saiv|Sadhbh (MacCarthy)
F1.1.1 Torlogh|Toirdhealbhach O'Brien, King of Thomond (unk-1167)
F1.1.1.1 Donald More O'Brien, King of Thomond (unk-1194) - No daughter is shown for Donald
For this descent, Genealogics cites:
1. History of the O'Briens, London, 1949 , O'Brien, Hon. Donough. 7.
2. The Royal Line of Succession, Pitkin Pictorials , Montague Smith, Patrick W. 24.
3. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 144.
     Genealogics, however, reports on his page that William de Burgh m. "Isabel 'filia regis'" and then remarks, "It is suggested that she is the daughter of Richard 'the Lionheart'."
Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. vol 1 183.


G. The History of the O'Briens, by Donough O'Brien (1949) has this simplified descent from "Brian Boroimhe" to "Donald More" (d. 1194):
G.0 Brian Boroimhe (unk-1014)
G.0.1 Teige (unk-1023)
G.0.1.1 Donough (unk-1054)
G.1. Torlogh (unk-1086)
G.1.1 Dermod (unk-1120)
G.1.1.1 Torlogh (unk-1167)
G.1.1.1.1 Donald More 1194)
See the attached image of the descendancy from the frontispiece of O'Brien [1949].


Conclusion: Based on these sources, I believe that the WFT pedigree I orignally had, matches the lineage as laid out by Genealogics, Wikipedia and O'Brien [1949]. I have left the marriage of "More" to William de Burgh, given the argument in ONDB. GA Vaut.^{4,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20}

; Per Med Lands:
     "DIARMAIT (-Corcach Mór Muman 1118). The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain brought a fleet to Wales and took great spoil therefrom” in 1080[1083]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that, on the death of Toirdelbach in 1086, Munster "was divided in three between [his] three sons…Tadc, Muirchertach and Diarmait”, but adding that Diarmait “was banished from Mumu” in 1086 after the death of his brother Tadhg, when his brother Muirchertach “took the kingship”[1084]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain was banished to Ulaid” in 1092[1085]. The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “Diarmait Húa Bríáin” seized the kingdom of Munster in 1114 when “Muirchertach Húa Bríáin” fell ill[1086]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain took the kingship of Mumu and banished Muirchertach from Luimnech to Cell Da Lua” in 1114, but in a later passage records that “Muirchertach came to Luimnech and Diarmait was imprisoned by him” in 1115[1087]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain turned against Muirchertach Ua Briain” in 1116 and that “Muirchertach Ua Briain went to Les Mór and assumed the pilgrim´s staff”[1088]. King of Munster 1116. The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “Diarmuit Húa Bríáin king of the southern half of Ireland [Lethe Mogha]” died in 1118[1089]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain died in Corcach Mór Muman” in 1118[1090].
     "m ---. The name of Diarmait´s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites: He was King of Munster
From Wikipedia: .
See attached map of Ireland ca 1014 (from Wikipedia: Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=12835052) between 1114 and 1118.^1,21,22

     Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (?) King of Munster, King of Thomond married NN inghen Donnchad mac Gilla Pátraic
;
His 2nd wife.^6,1 Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (?) King of Munster, King of Thomond married NN Mac Carthy of Desmond, daughter of Cormac Magh-tamnagh Mac Carthy Bishop King of Cashel, King of Desmond,
;
His 1st wife.^7,2,1
Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (?) King of Munster, King of Thomond died on 7 November 1167 at Ireland.^6,8,4,2
Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (?) King of Munster, King of Thomond was buried after 7 November 1167 at St. Lua's Churchyard, Killaloe, co. Clare, Ireland; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     7 Nov 1167, Killaloe, County Clare, Ireland
     Turlogh: son of Dermod; became King of Munster in 1142. He married twice—first, to a daughter of MacCarthy Mór, and secondly, to Narait or Ragnait, the daughter of O'Fogarty, Lord of Ely-Deisceart in Tipperary, by whom he had five sons: —1. Donal Mór; 2. Murtogh, who d. s. p; 3. Brian of the Mountain, Lord of Ormond. 4. Dermod; 5. Consaidin Saidh, Bishop of Killaloe, ancestor of the MacConsidine of the co. Clare.
     Teige, uncle of Turlogh, contended with him for the sovereignty of Munster, and a bloody battle was fought at Cluan-na-Catha, near Ardfinan, in Tipperary, in which Teige was defeated. In the year after, another terrible battle was also fought between Turlogh and Teige and his allies, at Barrymore in Cork, in which Teige was again defeated; upwards of seven thousand fell on both sides, A.D. 1152. Turlogh, after a reign of 25 years, died and was interred at Killaloe, 7th Nov., 1167, leaving his son Murtogh King of Munster, who was slain in 1168, by the people of Clare, at the instigation of Conor O'Brien; for which his brother Donal, on his accession, fined them 3,000 cows.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Dermot O'Brien unknown–1120
     Children
          Domnall O'Brien 1142–1194
     BURIAL     St. Lua's Churchyard, Killaloe, County Clare, Ireland
     Created by: Dermot P. Curtin
     Added: 30 Nov 2016
     Find a Grave Memorial 173335414.⁸
     ; NB: In the 1980's, I inherited an anglicized Irish line from an old World Family Tree (WFT 14-1829) pedigree that I found in the early days of CDs (when I was far less demanding in my genealogical research). From WFT I had:
1 Dermot O'Brien (unk-1120), King of Muster, m. Sahl MacCarty
1.1 Turlock O'Brien (unk-1167), "of Munster", m. Raignait O'Fogurty
1.1.1 Donal Mor O'Brien (unk-1194), m. Urlachan MacMurrough
1.1.1.1 "More" O'Brien (1162-unk), m. William de Burgh (unk-1205)
I am now trying to better understand and clean up this line. In researching for the possible "truth" in this line, I have found several leads:


A. Med Lands, shows a descent under the Kings of Munster that could be this "Dermot", his son "Turlock" and grandson "Donal". The line descends from one TOIRDELBACH, son of DOMNALL of Munster & his wife --- ([1008/09]-Cenn Coradh 14 Jul 1086), as folows:
A.1. TOIRDELBACH, King of Munster, a grandson of Brian Boroma - O'Brien?
A.1.1 DIARMAIT (-Corcach Mór Muman 1118), King of Munster - Dermot?
A.1.1.1 TOIRDELBACH (-1167), King of Munster - Turlock?
A.1.1.1.1 DOMNALL (-1194), King of Munster [sic] - Donal?
Though the female name "Mor" is common in this line, Domnall is not shown as having any offspring, including a daughter named MOR ("More") who might have married William de Burgh. Med Lands provide sources, relying heavily on the Annals of Inisfallen, the Annals of Ulster, and the Annals of Tigernach.


B. Wikipedia provides more direct evidence for the veracity of the WFT line, relying on more modern sources:
B.1 Toirdelbach Ua Briain (1009 – 14 July 1086), King of Munster, grandson of Brian Bóruma, m1 Dubchoblaig (mother of Diarmait), m2 Derbforgaill, m3 Ruaidrí na Saide Buide.
B.1.1 Diarmait Ua Briain (1060–1118), King of Munster, m Mór Ua Conchobair
B.1.1.1 Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (unk-unk), King of Munster, m1 (a dau. of the Mac Carthaigh Mór, d.s.p.), m2 Sadb MacGillapatrick
B.1.1.1.1 Domnall Mór Ua Briain (unk-1194), King of Thomond and claimant to King of Munster, m Orlacan (dau. of Diarmait Mac Murchada) and had a daughter "Mór O'Brien (Princess of Thomond, 1172-1216, who married William de Burgh)"


C. The Wikipedia entry for William de Burgy states: "William's wife was the daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, King of Thomond, whom he married in 1193.[5] A late medieval (A.D. 1397 - A.D. 1418) genealogy found in the Book of Lecan records his marriage to an unnamed daughter of Donmal Mor mac Turlough O'Brien,[6]. This Wikipedia article cites:


D. Weis [2008:168], calls Richard de Burgh "son of William de Burgh ... by his wife, a daughter of Donnell O'Brien, K.T."


E. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (ONDB) article on William de Burgh does indeed report: "According to one Irish source de Burgh was married to a daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, which is consistent with the fact that he was frequently accompanied by his Ó Briain allies, hereditary enemies of the Mac Carthaig and the Ó Conchobhair, in his numerous campaigns in Desmond and Connacht." However, then ONDB adds this caveat: "Although he was married in or before 1193, there is no certainty about the identity of his wife. She may have been an unnamed daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, but the authority for this statement rests solely on the evidence of a late medieval Gaelic genealogy."


F. Genealogics shows the following descent:
F.1 Torlogh O'Brien, King of Munster and Ireland (1009-1086) m Dubchoblaig of the Ui Cheinnselaig
F1.1 Dermod O'Brien, King of Munster (unk-1120) m Saiv|Sadhbh (MacCarthy)
F1.1.1 Torlogh|Toirdhealbhach O'Brien, King of Thomond (unk-1167)
F1.1.1.1 Donald More O'Brien, King of Thomond (unk-1194) - No daughter is shown for Donald
For this descent, Genealogics cites:
1. History of the O'Briens, London, 1949 , O'Brien, Hon. Donough. 7.
2. The Royal Line of Succession, Pitkin Pictorials , Montague Smith, Patrick W. 24.
3. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 144.
     Genealogics, however, reports on his page that William de Burgh m. "Isabel 'filia regis'" and then remarks, "It is suggested that she is the daughter of Richard 'the Lionheart'."
Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. vol 1 183.


G. The History of the O'Briens, by Donough O'Brien (1949) has this simplified descent from "Brian Boroimhe" to "Donald More" (d. 1194):
G.0 Brian Boroimhe (unk-1014)
G.0.1 Teige (unk-1023)
G.0.1.1 Donough (unk-1054)
G.1. Torlogh (unk-1086)
G.1.1 Dermod (unk-1120)
G.1.1.1 Torlogh (unk-1167)
G.1.1.1.1 Donald More 1194)
See the attached image of the descendancy from the frontispiece of O'Brien [1949].


Conclusion: Based on these sources, I believe that the WFT pedigree I orignally had, matches the lineage as laid out by Genealogics, Wikipedia and O'Brien [1949]. I have left the marriage of "More" to William de Burgh, given the argument in ONDB. GA Vaut.^{9,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20} EDV-26.

; This is the same person as ”Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain” at Wikipedia.¹

Reference: Genealogics cites: Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (?) King of Munster, King of Thomond was also known as Turlock O'Brien King of Munster, King of Thomond. Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (?) King of Munster, King of Thomond was also known as Torlogh|Toirdhealbhach O'Brien King of Munster, King of Thomond.^4,2

; Per Med Lands:
     "daughter . Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) which record that “Cormac son of Maic Carrthaig” was killed in 1138 by “Toirdelbach Húa Bríáin his father-in-law, gossip and fosterer” (corrected to “son-in-law” in a footnote to the edition consulted)[514].
     "m TOIRDELBACH Húa Bríáin King of Munster, son of DIARMAIT King of Munster & his wife ---."
Med Lands cites: He was King of Thomond
From Wikipedia:
Name:     Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain
Reign:     1142–1167
Birth:     Son of Diarmuid Ó Briain
Marriages::     unknown
Death::     1167
See attached map of the Kingdom of Thomond in the 11th century (from Wikipedia: By self-created - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=5573375) between 1142 and 1167.^21,22 He was King of Munster
From Wikipedia:
Name:     Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain
Reign:     1142–1167 (claimant)
Birth:     Son of Diarmait Ua Briain
Marriages:     unknown
Death:     1167 between 1142 and 1167.²³

     Domnall Mór Ua Briain (?) married Urlachan MacMurrough of Leinster, daughter of Diarmait (Dermot) mac Murchada King of Leinster and Mór ingen Muirchertaig Ua Tuathail (O'Toole).^6,4

Domnall Mór Ua Briain (?) died in 1194.^6,4,3,5
Domnall Mór Ua Briain (?) was buried in 1194 at St Mary's Cathedral, Limerick, co. Limerick, Ireland; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1142
     DEATH     1194 (aged 51–52), Limerick, County Limerick, Ireland
     King of Thomond in Ireland from 1168 to 1194 and a claimant to the title King of Munster. He was also styled King of Limerick, a title belonging to the O'Brien dynasty since Brian Boru's annexation of the Norse city in the 10th century.According to the Annals of Ulster, he was the last king of Munster, dying in 1194. He is buried in the apse of St. Mary's Cathedral, Limerick, a church he first organized. His tomb is covered with a carved sepulcher stone near the church's main altar.
     Married to Orlacan, daughter of Dermot MacMorough, and had Mór, who married Cathal Craobh Dearg O'Connor (d. 1224), the King of Connacht. He also had nine sons: 1. Donogh Cairbreach; 2. Murtogh Dall, ancestor of the Clan Murtogh Dall O'Brien, of Hy-Bloid, in the northeast of the co. Clare; 3. Connor Ruadh; 4. Murtogh Fionn, ancestor of the Clan Turlogh Fionn of the same territory; 6. Donal Conachtach, ancestor of Clan Donal Conaghtaigh, of Echtge, and subsequently of Ara, in the county Tipperary; 7. Brian (surnamed "of Burren"), ancestor of Clan Bhriain Boirnigh; 8. Connor, ancestor of Clan Connor Guasanaigh; 9. Dermod Fiodhnuich, ancestor of the Clan Dermod Fiodhniagh. In 1169, this Donal Mór founded a religious house, afterwards the cathedral church on the site of the existing edifice in Cashel. In 1171, he founded a nunnery in the City of Limerick, but not a vestige of it remains. In 1172, following the example of Dermod MacCarthy Mór, King of South Munster, he made Henry II, King of England, a tender of his submission on the banks of the river Suir.
     In 1175, Donal, blinded Dermod, son of Teige O'Brien, and Mahon, son of Turlogh, his kinsmen, which act caused the death of Dermod soon after at Castleconnell. In 1176, Donal expelled the Anglo-Normans from the City of Limerick, putting most of Henry II's garrison to the sword. In 1192, he drove the English out of Upper Ormond, Ara, and Coonagh, where they established themselves; and stripping them of the booty they took from the native chieftains.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Turlogh O'Brien unknown–1167
     Children
          Conor O'Brien unknown–1203
          Donough Cairbreac O'Brien unknown–1241
     BURIAL     St Mary's Cathedral, Limerick, County Limerick, Ireland
     Created by: Dermot P. Curtin
     Added: 29 Nov 2016
     Find a Grave Memorial 173326512.⁷
     ; NB: In the 1980's, I inherited an anglicized Irish line from an old World Family Tree (WFT 14-1829) pedigree that I found in the early days of CDs (when I was far less demanding in my genealogical research). From WFT I had:
1 Dermot O'Brien (unk-1120), King of Muster, m. Sahl MacCarty
1.1 Turlock O'Brien (unk-1167), "of Munster", m. Raignait O'Fogurty
1.1.1 Donal Mor O'Brien (unk-1194), m. Urlachan MacMurrough
1.1.1.1 "More" O'Brien (1162-unk), m. William de Burgh (unk-1205)
I am now trying to better understand and clean up this line. In researching for the possible "truth" in this line, I have found several leads:


A. Med Lands, shows a descent under the Kings of Munster that could be this "Dermot", his son "Turlock" and grandson "Donal". The line descends from one TOIRDELBACH, son of DOMNALL of Munster & his wife --- ([1008/09]-Cenn Coradh 14 Jul 1086), as folows:
A.1. TOIRDELBACH, King of Munster, a grandson of Brian Boroma - O'Brien?
A.1.1 DIARMAIT (-Corcach Mór Muman 1118), King of Munster - Dermot?
A.1.1.1 TOIRDELBACH (-1167), King of Munster - Turlock?
A.1.1.1.1 DOMNALL (-1194), King of Munster [sic] - Donal?
Though the female name "Mor" is common in this line, Domnall is not shown as having any offspring, including a daughter named MOR ("More") who might have married William de Burgh. Med Lands provide sources, relying heavily on the Annals of Inisfallen, the Annals of Ulster, and the Annals of Tigernach.


B. Wikipedia provides more direct evidence for the veracity of the WFT line, relying on more modern sources:
B.1 Toirdelbach Ua Briain (1009 – 14 July 1086), King of Munster, grandson of Brian Bóruma, m1 Dubchoblaig (mother of Diarmait), m2 Derbforgaill, m3 Ruaidrí na Saide Buide.
B.1.1 Diarmait Ua Briain (1060–1118), King of Munster, m Mór Ua Conchobair
B.1.1.1 Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (unk-unk), King of Munster, m1 (a dau. of the Mac Carthaigh Mór, d.s.p.), m2 Sadb MacGillapatrick
B.1.1.1.1 Domnall Mór Ua Briain (unk-1194), King of Thomond and claimant to King of Munster, m Orlacan (dau. of Diarmait Mac Murchada) and had a daughter "Mór O'Brien (Princess of Thomond, 1172-1216, who married William de Burgh)"


C. The Wikipedia entry for William de Burgy states: "William's wife was the daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, King of Thomond, whom he married in 1193.[5] A late medieval (A.D. 1397 - A.D. 1418) genealogy found in the Book of Lecan records his marriage to an unnamed daughter of Donmal Mor mac Turlough O'Brien,[6]. This Wikipedia article cites:


D. Weis [2008:168], calls Richard de Burgh "son of William de Burgh ... by his wife, a daughter of Donnell O'Brien, K.T."


E. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (ONDB) article on William de Burgh does indeed report: "According to one Irish source de Burgh was married to a daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, which is consistent with the fact that he was frequently accompanied by his Ó Briain allies, hereditary enemies of the Mac Carthaig and the Ó Conchobhair, in his numerous campaigns in Desmond and Connacht." However, then ONDB adds this caveat: "Although he was married in or before 1193, there is no certainty about the identity of his wife. She may have been an unnamed daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, but the authority for this statement rests solely on the evidence of a late medieval Gaelic genealogy."


F. Genealogics shows the following descent:
F.1 Torlogh O'Brien, King of Munster and Ireland (1009-1086) m Dubchoblaig of the Ui Cheinnselaig
F1.1 Dermod O'Brien, King of Munster (unk-1120) m Saiv|Sadhbh (MacCarthy)
F1.1.1 Torlogh|Toirdhealbhach O'Brien, King of Thomond (unk-1167)
F1.1.1.1 Donald More O'Brien, King of Thomond (unk-1194) - No daughter is shown for Donald
For this descent, Genealogics cites:
1. History of the O'Briens, London, 1949 , O'Brien, Hon. Donough. 7.
2. The Royal Line of Succession, Pitkin Pictorials , Montague Smith, Patrick W. 24.
3. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 144.
     Genealogics, however, reports on his page that William de Burgh m. "Isabel 'filia regis'" and then remarks, "It is suggested that she is the daughter of Richard 'the Lionheart'."
Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. vol 1 183.


G. The History of the O'Briens, by Donough O'Brien (1949) has this simplified descent from "Brian Boroimhe" to "Donald More" (d. 1194):
G.0 Brian Boroimhe (unk-1014)
G.0.1 Teige (unk-1023)
G.0.1.1 Donough (unk-1054)
G.1. Torlogh (unk-1086)
G.1.1 Dermod (unk-1120)
G.1.1.1 Torlogh (unk-1167)
G.1.1.1.1 Donald More 1194)
See the attached image of the descendancy from the frontispiece of O'Brien [1949].


Conclusion: Based on these sources, I believe that the WFT pedigree I orignally had, matches the lineage as laid out by Genealogics, Wikipedia and O'Brien [1949]. I have left the marriage of "More" to William de Burgh, given the argument in ONDB. GA Vaut.^{8,6,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19} Domnall Mór Ua Briain (?) was also known as Donal Mor O'Brien King of Thomond. DV-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; This is the same person as ”Domnall Mór Ua Briain” at Wikipedia.¹

; Per Med Lands:
     "DOMNALL (-1194). The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “Brian son of Toirdelbach was taken prisoner by Domnall son of Toirdelbach” in 1168 and that “the kingship of Dál-Cais was seized by him”[1108]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that “Domnall son of Tairdelbach took the kingship of Tuadmumu” in 1168[1109]. [The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “Domnall, son of Toirdelbach Húa Bríáin crown prince of Munster” died in 1176[1110]. It is assumed this refers to another son of Toirdelbach, in view of the later recording Domnall´s death in 1194, and that “Domnall” in the entry is an error.] King of Munster. The Annals of Ulster record that "Ua Diarmata Concobar Maenmhaighi…king of Connacht” joined forces with “Domnall Ua Briain king of Munster” to defeat “the Foreigners” in 1188[1111]. The Annals of Ulster record the death in 1194 of "Domnall Ua Briain (son of Toirrdhealbach…king of Munster)”[1112]."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Weis [1992:153] Line 177B-8.²⁰ Domnall Mór Ua Briain (?) was also known as Donald More O'Brien King of Thomond.⁴ Domnall Mór Ua Briain (?) was also known as Domnall O'Brien King of Thomond.⁷

; Per Med Lands:
     "DOMNALL (-1194). King of Thomond. The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “the kingship of Thomond was taken by Domnall Húa Bríáin” in 1168[1124]. The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “Ruaidri Húa Conchobar” banished “Domnall Húa Bríáin” from Thomond into Ormond in 1175 and “gave the kingship of Thomond to the son of Murchad Húa Bríáin…his own mother´s son”, adding in a later passage that Domnall made peace with Ruaidri in 1176[1125]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that “Tadc Ua Briain´s son and Mathgamain Ua Briain were blinded by Domnall Ua Briain” in 1175[1126].
     "m URLACHAN of Leinster, daughter of DERMOT MacMurrough King of Leinster & his wife [Mor ---]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "ii) URLACHAN . The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. m DONOUGH [Donald] More King of Thomond, son of TADHG King of Thomond & his wife --- (-1194)."
Med Lands cites.²¹ He was King of Thomond, Munster and Limerick between 1168 and 1194.¹

     Hugh de Lacy married Rohese de Monmouth, daughter of Baderon de Monmouth and Rohese de Clare.^1,2
Hugh de Lacy married Rose O'Connor, daughter of Rory O'Connor Last king of Connaught.¹
Hugh de Lacy was born circa 1130.²
Hugh de Lacy was buried circa 1185 at St. Thomas's, Dublin, Ireland.¹
Hugh de Lacy died between 25 July 1185 and 1186; assassinated at Durrow 25 July 1185 or 1186 havind had his head cut off by an Irishman he was showinghow to use a pick.¹
     GAV-23 EDV-23 GKJ-24.

; per van de Pas: [quote] King Henry II employed Hugh in the conquest of ireland and for his services he was given the county of Meath. Subsequently he was appointed Governor of Dublin and Justice of ireland. However when he married the king of Connaught's daughter without Henry's license he was divested of his governorship. About four years later Malvo Miadaich murdered him in revenge for the severity with which he had treated the workmen employed by him in erecting the castle of Lurhedy. [end quote]²

; Weis AR 177b-7.⁴

; van de Pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 310
2. Europaische Stammtafeln, J. A. Stargdt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 709.²

     Baderon de Monmouth married Rohese de Clare, daughter of Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare 2nd Earl of Clare, Lord of Tunbridge and Adeliza (Adelaide, Alice) de Clermont.^6,7,3,8
Baderon de Monmouth was born circa 1100 at Monmouthshire, Wales, England (now).^3,8
Baderon de Monmouth was buried in 1176 at Monmouth Priory, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales, England (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1100, Monmouthshire, Wales
     DEATH     1176 (aged 75–76), Monmouthshire, Wales
     Baderon succeeded his father, William fitzBaderon, as lord of Monmouth in about 1125, when his father either died or retired to become a monk. Baderon confirmed the possessions of the Priory at Monmouth granted by his predecessors, and extended them. He was a contemporary and possible kinsman of Geoffrey of Monmouth, who was born in the same town at around the same date. Baderon died in 1176. He was succeeded as lord of Monmouth by his son Gilbert, who was in turn succeeded by his own son, John of Monmouth, in 1190.
     Family Members
     Parents
          William FitzBaderon 1060 – unknown
          Hawise FitzBaderon
     Spouse
          Rohese de Clare 1110 – unknown
     Children
          Gilbert FitzBaderon unknown–1189
          Rohese De Monmouth De Lacy 1145–1180
     BURIAL     Monmouth Priory, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 19 Apr 2017
     Find a Grave Memorial 178570082.³
Baderon de Monmouth died in 1176 at Monmouthshire, Wales, England (now).^3,8
      ; Per Genealogics:
     “Baderon was born about 1100, the son of William fitzBaderon and his wife Hawise. He succeeded his father as lord of Monmouth in about 1124, when his father either died or retired to become a monk. Baderon confirmed the possessions of the priory at Monmouth granted by his predecessors, and extended them. His sister Margaret, whose son Robert became prior of Monmouth, and whose second husband, Hugh fitzRichard, was a landowner in Worcestershire, made further grants of land to the priory. Baderon also became responsible for Goodrich Castle, which he is believed to have developed and extended.
     “At some point after 1130 Baderon married Rohese de Clare, the daughter of Gilbert FitzRichard de Tonbridge, lord of Clare, Tonbridge and Cardigan, and Adelize de Clermont, and the sister of Gilbert de Clare, who was the lord of Striguil (or Chepstow) and later became earl of Pembroke. The marriage took place at Chepstow, and brought together the families of the two neighbouring and sometimes rival lordships. Baderon and Rohese had two sons, James and Gilbert, and at least one daughter Rohese of Monmouth, who married Hugh de Lacy, lord of Meath, before 1155.
     “Baderon was a contemporary and possibly kinsman of the priest and chronicler Geoffrey of Monmouth, who was born in the same town at around the same date. Baderon died in 1176. He was succeeded as lord of Monmouth by his son Gilbert, who was in turn succeeded by his own son, John of Monmouth, in 1190.”.⁸

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III/1 156.⁸ Baderon de Monmouth was also known as Baderon Fitz William.³ GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-25.

     Walter de Lacy 2nd Lord of Meath, Ireland married Margaret (Margery) de Braiose, daughter of William III de Braiose 4th Lord of Bramber and Maud/Mahaut/Mathilde de Saint-Valéry The Lady of Hay.^3,4
Walter de Lacy 2nd Lord of Meath, Ireland was born circa 1172.⁵
Walter de Lacy 2nd Lord of Meath, Ireland died on 24 February 1241.¹
      ; Weis AR 177a-7.⁶ He was (an unknown value) at Lord of Meath, Ireland.⁵ GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.

; also Lord of Weobley, Hereford, ENG.^5,7

     Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare Lord of Clare and Tonbridge married Alice/Adeliza (?) of Chester, daughter of Ranulph III "the Young" (?) de Meschine, 1st Earl of Chester, vicomte de Bayeux et du Bessin and Lucia (?) of Alkborough.^7,1,8,2
Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare Lord of Clare and Tonbridge was born before 1100.²
Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare Lord of Clare and Tonbridge was buried circa 1136 at Gloucester .¹
Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare Lord of Clare and Tonbridge died on 15 April 1136 at near avenny, Monmouthshire, Wales, England; Bartlett (2000), p. 210: "killed by the Welsh 1136."^7,1,2
     He was Lord of Clare at co. Suffolk, England.⁹ GAV-23 EDV-23 GKJ-24.

; Leo van de Pas cites:
1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 119
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: III 243 ; VI 498
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 156.²

; Weis AR 246b-25.⁷

; founder of the Priory of Tonbridge.¹

     Ranulph III "the Young" (?) de Meschine, 1st Earl of Chester, vicomte de Bayeux et du Bessin was born circa 1055.⁷ He married Lucia (?) of Alkborough, daughter of Thorold (?) of Buckingham and (?) Malet, circa 1098
;
Her 3rd husband.^13,14,7,11
Ranulph III "the Young" (?) de Meschine, 1st Earl of Chester, vicomte de Bayeux et du Bessin was buried circa 1129 at St. Werberg's, Chester, Cheshire, England; Ravilious cites:
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.^13,2
Ranulph III "the Young" (?) de Meschine, 1st Earl of Chester, vicomte de Bayeux et du Bessin was buried circa 27 January 1129 at Chester Cathedral, Chester, Cheshire West and Chester Unitary Authority, Cheshire, England; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1070, Caen, Departement du Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
     DEATH     Jan 1128 (aged 57–58), Chester, Cheshire West and Chester Unitary Authority, Cheshire, England
     3rd Earl of Chester. Born in Briquessart, Livry son of Ranulf de Briquessart and margaret le Goz, Husband of Lucy of Bolingbroke. Father of Ranulf de Gernon, 4th Earl of Chester.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Ranulf de Briquessart 1050–1089
          Margaret d'Avranches 1054–1136
     Spouse
          Lucy de Bolingbroke le Meschin 1079–1138
     Siblings
          Matilda Maud le Meschines 1075 – unknown
     Children
          Ranulf of Gernons 1100–1153
     BURIAL     Chester Cathedral, Chester, Cheshire West and Chester Unitary Authority, Cheshire, England
     Created by: Brett Williams
     Added: 8 Mar 2011
     Find a Grave Memorial 66652371.¹⁵
Ranulph III "the Young" (?) de Meschine, 1st Earl of Chester, vicomte de Bayeux et du Bessin died circa 27 January 1129; Genealogics says d. 1128/1129.^13,2,7
      ; Per Ravilious email:
     "Death: ca 1129[5]
     "Burial: St. Werburg's, Chester[5]
     "Occ: viscount of the Bessin and the Avranchin; Earl of Chester
     "Earl of Chester. Also styled "Ranulf le Meschin"
     "commander of the first wing (army of Henry I) at battle of Tinchebrai, 28 Sept 1106[6]
     "held 'extensive lands in Cumberland' , which he surrendered to Henry I upon his receiving the earldom of Chester, 1121 [C. W. Hollister[6]; cf. also CP III:166[5]]
     "* note: evidently still had lands in Cumberland (Carlisle and possibly elsewhere) at date of grant by David I of Scots to Robert de Brus in Annandale [Donaldson, p. 19[7]]
     "Earl of Chester and vicomte of the Avranchin 1121-1129 (successor to cousin Richard of Avranches, d. 1120 in the White Ship)[5]
     "Spouse: Lucia of Alkborough [4635]
     "Birth: ca 1070[8]
     "Death: 1141[8],[9]
     "Father: Turold of Bucknall (-<1079)
     "Mother: NN Malet (-<1083)
     "
     "Children: Ranulf (-1153)
      Adeliza
      William (-<1136)
      Maud
Ravilious cites:
5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
6. C. Warren Hollister, "Henry I," New Haven: Yale University Press, 2001, [English Monarchs Series].
7. Gordon Donaldson, "Scottish Historical Documents," Edinburgh: Scottish Academic Press, 1970.
8. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Tallboys," August 28, 2002, paper copy: library of John P. Ravilious, citations from Rosie Bevan : rbevan@paradise.net.nz, cites K. Keats-Rohan, 'Antecessor Noster', in Prosopon 2, and Sanders, English Baronies.
9. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960."² GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; This is the same person as:
"Ranulf le Meschin, 3rd Earl of Chester" at Wikipedia and as
"Ranulph le Meschin" at Wikipédia (Fr.)^16,17

; Per Genealogics:
     "Ranulph was the son of Ranulph de Meschines, vicomte de Bayeux, and Margaret Le Goz d'Avranches. Ranulph became the largest landholder in Lindsey through his marriage to Lucia of Alkborough, the daughter of Turold of Bucknall, sheriff of Lincoln. They had a son and daughter who would have progeny. On 28 September 1106 at the battle of Tinchebrai against Robert Curthose, duke of Normandy, Ranulph was commander of the first wing fighting for King Henry I. He succeeded his first cousin, Richard d'Avranches, in the earldom of Chester in 1121. He held extensive lands in Cumberland, which he surrendered to Henry I upon receiving the earldom of Chester. Ranulph died in 1128 or 1129, and was succeeded by his son of the same name."⁷

Reference: Weis [1992:116] Line 132A-26.¹⁸

; Per Weis [1992:116]: " also vicomte of Bayeaux in Normandy, Earl of Chester in 1120, commander of the Royal Forces in Normandy in 1124."^19,18 He was Lord of Cumberland.¹⁹

; Per Med Lands:
     "RANULF du Bessin "le Meschin", son of RANULF Vicomte du Bessin [Bayeux] & his wife Marguerite [Matilda] d'Avranches (-17 or 27 Jan 1129, bur Chester, Abbey of St Werburgh). Orderic Vitalis names him and his mother[58]. "…Rannulfus filius Rannulfi vicecomitis…Rannulfus vicecomes" witnessed the charter dated 24 Apr 1089 under which Robert III Duke of Normandy donated property to Bayeux cathedral[59]. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of “ecclesias de Apelby…sancti Michaelis et sancti Laurentii” by “Radulfus Meschin”[60]. The Liber Vitæ of Durham names "Rannulfus Mahald uxor eius Ricardus Rannulfus de Mesc filii eorum Lucia uxor Rann"[61]. He succeeded his father as Vicomte du Bessin [Bayeux]. “Ranulfus Meschinus Richerio Vicecomiti Karlioli” donated property for the foundation of Wetherhal priory, Cumberland, for the souls of “Domini mei Regis Willelmi…et Richard fratris mei…mea et uxoris meæ Luciæ…”, by undated charter, witnessed by “Osberto vicecomite, Waldievo filio Gospatricii comitis, et Forna Sigulfi filio et Ketello Eldredi filio et Herveio Morini filio et Eliphe de Penrith”[62]. “Ranulfus Meschines” donated property to Wetherall priory, Cumberland, by undated charter, witnessed by “uxore mea Lucia, Willielmo fratre meo…”[63]. He was appointed Vicomte d'Avranches in 1120 after the death of his first cousin Richard d'Avranches, and also obtained the grant of the county palatine of Chester thereby becoming Earl of Chester (upon which he surrendered the lordship of Carlisle). The Annales Cestrienses record in 1121 that “Ranulphus Miscinus” was made “comes”[64]. He was commander of the royal forces in Normandy in 1124[65]. The Annales Cestrienses record in 1128 the death of “Ranulphus Miscinus comes Cestrie” and the succession of “Rannulphus comes filius eius”[66]. A manuscript narrating the descent of Hugh Earl of Chester to Alice Ctss of Lincoln records the death “VI Kal Feb” of “Ranulfus de Meschines” and his burial at St Werburgh’s, Chester[67].
     "m ([1098]) as her third husband, LUCY, widow firstly of IVO Taillebois Lord of Kendal and secondly of ROGER FitzGerold, daughter of --- & his wife [--- Malet] (-1138[68]). Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records that William I King of England arranged the marriage of "Ivo Taillebois" and "Lucia sister of Edwin and Morcar", her dowry consisting of their land at Hoyland[69], but this parentage appears impossible from a chronological point of view. Peter of Blois's Continuation of the Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records the death of Ivo and his burial at the priory of Spalding, and the remarriage of his widow "hardly had one month elapsed after his death" with "Roger de Romar the son Gerald de Romar"[70]. A manuscript recording the foundation of Spalding monastery records that “Yvo Talboys” married "Thoroldo…hærede Lucia" who, after the death of Ivo, married (in turn) "Rogerum filium Geroldi" and "comitem Cestriæ Ranulphum"[71]. She is named as wife of Ranulf by Orderic Vitalis, who also names her first husband, but does not state her origin[72]. The Liber Vitæ of Durham names "Rannulfus Mahald uxor eius Ricardus Rannulfus de Mesc filii eorum Lucia uxor Rann"[73]. “Ranulfus Meschinus Richerio Vicecomiti Karlioli” donated property for the foundation of Wetherhal priory, Cumberland, for the souls of “…mea et uxoris meæ Luciæ…”, by undated charter[74]. “Ranulfus Meschinus” donated property to Wetherhal priory, Cumberland by undated charter, witnessed by “uxore mea Lucia et Willelmo fratre meo…”[75]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Lucia comitissa Cestr…tra patis sui" in Lincolnshire[76]. According to a charter of Henri Duke of Normandy (later Henry II King of England) issued in favour of her son Ranulf Earl of Chester dated 1153, Ctss Lucy was the niece of Robert Malet of Eye and of Alan of Lincoln, as well as kinswoman of Thorold "the Sheriff"[77]. “Lucia cometissa” donated “manerium de Spallingis...cum quibus melius tenui et liberalius tempore Ivonis de Thallebos et Rogeri filii Geroldi et cometis Rannulfi” by charter dated to [1135][78]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Avranches): "Marguerite (Maud) d’Avranches
     ép. Ranulf II, vicomte de Bayeux et du Bessin (fils de Ranulf, vicomte de Bessin, et d’Alix de Normandie)"


Per Racines et Histoire (Bayeux): "Ranulf dit Ralph «Le Meschin» vicomte de Bayeux et du Bessin
     ép. Marguerite (Maud) d’Avranches (fille de Richard, vicomte d’Avranches, et d’Emma de Mortain.)^8,20"

; per Leo van de Pas: "On 28 September 1106 at the battle of Tinchebrai, Ranulph was commander of the first wing fighting for King Henry I. He held 'extensive lands in Cumberland', which he surrendered to Henry I upon receiving the earldom of Chester."³

     Adeliza (Adelaide, Alice) de Clermont was born in 1058.⁹ She married Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare 2nd Earl of Clare, Lord of Tunbridge, son of Richard de Tonbridge ftiz Gilbert de Clare and Rohese Giffard, circa 1090
;
His 2nd (?) wife; her 1st husband.^{10,1,11,12,13,2}
Adeliza (Adelaide, Alice) de Clermont died after 1117.¹⁴ She married Bouchard III/IV de Montmorency seigneur de Montmorency, Marly, Ecouen, Verneuil, Saint-Brice, Epinay et Hérouville, son of Herve de Montmorency Sire de Montmorency and Agnes (?) de Soissons, after 1117
;
Her 2nd husband; his 3rd wife.^15,1,3,16
     GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:156; 653.²

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELISA de Clermont . The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to a sister of "comes Rainaldus" as husband of "Gillebertus, filius Richardi Anglici"[37]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Giselbertus” married “filia comitis de Claromonte”[38]. "Hadalaidis filia Hugonis de Claromonte…uxor Gisleberti de Anglia" founded an anniversary at Saint-Leu d’Esserent, like the anniversaries of "patris sui Hugonis et matris sue Margarite", by undated charter[39]. Her second marriage into the Montmorency family is confirmed by the charter dated under which Robert Bishop of Lincoln confirms previous donations to Thorney, including one by “Adelidæ de Montemoraci” of “…terræ in Randa quas Turgisius tenuit et Toui prius dederat”[40], which clearly refers back to the earlier undated charter under which “Adeliz, uxor Gilberti filii Ricardi, et Gillebertus et Walterus et Baldewinus et Rohaisia pueri Gilberti” donated property “quod Tovi dedit…et in Randa…quas Turgisius tenebat” to Thorney Monastery[41]. The precise identity of Adelisa’s second husband has not yet been confirmed. According to Duchesne, Adelisa’s second husband was Hervé, son of Bouchard [III] Seigneur de Montmorency and his second wife, but he cites no primary source on which this statement is based[42]. As noted below, the first marriage of Mathieu [I] de Montmorency, who would have been Hervé’s older half-brother born from their father’s first marriage, is dated to [1126]. This suggests the birth of Mathieu [I] in [1095/1105]. If that estimated date range is correct, any half-brothers born from his father’s second marriage would probably have been too young to have married Adelisa. In addition, given Adelisa’s prominent family background and first marriage, it is unlikely that her second husband would have been the younger son of the seigneur de Montmorency. As Adelisa had several children by her first husband, she would have been considerably older than her second husband if he had been a younger son of Bouchard [III]. A more likely case is that Adelisa’s second husband was Bouchard [III] himself, whose age and position would have been more appropriate for the marriage. This is supported by the Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey which lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi…Burchardus de Muntmorenci…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi…", suggested by Keats-Rohan as Adelisa and her two husbands[43].
     "m firstly [as his second wife,] GILBERT FitzRichard de Clare, son of RICHARD de Brionne Lord of Clare and Tonbridge [Normandy] & his wife Rohese Giffard (-1114 or 1117).
     "m secondly (after [1114/17]) [as his third wife, BOUCHARD [III] Seigneur] de Montmorency, son of [HERVE Seigneur de Montmorency & his wife Agnes --- -Jerusalem 2 Jan, after 1124)]."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Weis [1992] 246-24.¹⁷
; Per Med Lands:
     "BOUCHARD [III] de Montmorency, son of HERVE Seigneur de Montmorency & his wife Agnes --- (-Jerusalem [2 Jan], after 1124). "Herveus de Marleio et uxor mea Agnes, Burcardus…filius meus" donated the church of Marly to the abbey of Notre-Dame de Colombs en Beausse by charter dated 1087[582]. Seigneur de Montmorency, de Marly, de Feuillarde, de Saint-Brice, d'Epinay et d'Hérouville. The Liber translationis et miraculorum B. Honorinæ records that “domino de Montmorenceio Burcardo” burned the church of Conflans during his war with “comiti Matheo de Bellomonte”, dated to 21 Jun 1086[583]. "Burchardus de Montemaurinciaco" confirmed donations made to Saint-Martin des Champs, Paris by "miles…Paganus…a baptismate Walterius et uxor eius a baptismate Hodierna Comitissa nuncupata" by charter dated 1096, witnessed by “milites eius...Hugo filius Theoderici, Odo filius Odonis, Hugo de Warenna, Richardus filius Theoderici...”[584]. Suger's Vita Ludovici records a dispute between the abbot of Saint-Denis and "Burchardum...dominum Monmorenciacensem" during the course of which the future Louis VI King of France, together with "Matthæum Bellimontensem comitem et Drogonem Monciacensem", invaded “terram eiusdem Burchardi”, dated to [1101][585]. "Dnus Bucardus de Monte Morentiaco" donated road tolls at Saint-Denis to the abbey of Saint-Martin de Pontoise for the souls of "uxorisque suæ, filiorum filiarumque suarum" with the consent of "filium suum Mathæum" by charter dated [1102][586]. "Bocardus Munmorenci castelli dominus" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père, in the presence of "Matheo comite Belli Montis", by charter dated to before 1112, later confirmed by "Matheus filius Bocardi"[587]. An undated charter records a donation to Chantilly made by "Herveus de Montmaurenciaco", and the later confirmation by "dominus Burchardus supradicti Hervei filius…fratrum eius Hervei clerici, Theobaldi de Marli et Mathei" for the souls of "uxorum suarum et filiorum suorum"[588]. Orderic Vitalis records that "Burchardus de Monte Morencii, aliique prudentes" advised Louis VI King of France not to invade Normandy, dated to 1119, that "Mathæus comes de Bellomonte et Guido de Claromonte...ac Burchardus de Monte Morentii" led the invasion, that “Burchardum ac Otmundum et Albericum de Marolio“ were captured in battle at Brémule, and that “Burcardum ac Herveium de Gisortis...quia homines utriusque regis erant” were released by Henry I King of England[589]. The vassal relationship between Bouchard de Montmorency and King Henry has not been identified. A charter dated 1124 records an agreement between the prior of Saint-Martin-des-Champs and "Burchardum de Montemorenciaco" relating to earlier donations[590]. The necrology of the abbey of Notre-Dame du Val records on "XVI Kal Dec" that "Bucardus avus, Bucardus, Theobaldus de Montemorenciaco" died in Jerusalem[591], although it is not clear to which of the three deaths the date relates.
     "m firstly AGNES [de Beaumont] Dame de Conflans Sainte-Honorine, daughter of IVES [II] Comte de Beaumont-sur-Oise & his second wife Adelais ---. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not been identified. Duchesne cites no primary source which confirms the parentage of Bouchard [III]’s first wife but he highlights that Ives [II] Comte de Beaumont-sur-Oise founded the priory of Sainte-Honorine at Conflans, near Pontoise and that this property was later held by Bouchard [III] Seigneur de Montmorency[592]. The necrology of the priory of Beaumont-sur-Oise records the death "Id Jul" of "Hugo frater Methei comitis, Agnes soror eius"[593].
     "m secondly (before 1105) AGNES, daughter of RAOUL Deliés [Seigneur de Pontoise] & his wife Hazecha [Hawise] --- (-[18 Jul] ----). "Radulfus Delicatus et Hahuis loco Agnetis filiæ suæ" confirmed donations made to Saint-Martin des Champs, Paris by "Lambertus nepos Humboldi concedente uxore sua Tesza" by undated charter[594]. "Radulfus Delicatus et uxor eius Hazecha" donated property to Saint-Martin des Champs, Paris, with the consent of "eorum filiis Radulfo et Amalrico atque filiabus Agnete et Cometissa", on the day that "uxor sua Hazecha" was buried in the church, by undated charter, witnessed by "Burchardus de Montemorentii…"[595]. "Burchardus de Montemorencii et Agnes uxor eius" confirmed donations to Saint-Martin des Champs, Paris made by "Radulfus Delicatus" by undated charter[596]. [The necrology of the abbaye du Val records the death "XV Kal Aug" of "Agnes de Montemorenciaco"[597]. It is probable that this entry refers to one of the wives of Bouchard [III].]
     "[m thirdly (after [1114/17]) as her second husband, ADELISA de Clermont, widow of GILBERT FitzRichard de Clare, daughter of HUGUES Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis & his wife Marguerite de Ramerupt. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to a sister of "comes Rainaldus" as husband of "Gillebertus, filius Richardi Anglici"[598]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Giselbertus” married “filia comitis de Claromonte”[599]. Her second marriage into the Montmorency family is confirmed by the charter dated under which Robert Bishop of Lincoln confirms previous donations to Thorney, including one by “Adelidæ de Montemoraci” of “…terræ in Randa quas Turgisius tenuit et Toui prius dederat”[600], which clearly refers back to the earlier undated charter under which “Adeliz, uxor Gilberti filii Ricardi, et Gillebertus et Walterus et Baldewinus et Rohaisia pueri Gilberti” donated property “quod Tovi dedit…et in Randa…quas Turgisius tenebat” to Thorney Monastery[601]. The precise identity of Adelisa’s second husband has not yet been confirmed. According to Duchesne, Adelisa’s second husband was Hervé, son of Bouchard [III] Seigneur de Montmorency and his second wife, but he cites no primary source on which this statement is based[602]. As noted below, the first marriage of Mathieu [I] de Montmorency, who would have been Hervé’s older half-brother born from their father’s first marriage, is dated to [1126]. This suggests the birth of Mathieu [I] in [1095/1105]. If that estimated date range is correct, any half-brothers born from his father’s second marriage would probably have been too young to have married Adelisa. In addition, given Adelisa’s prominent family background and first marriage, it is unlikely that her second husband would have been the younger son of the seigneur de Montmorency. As Adelisa had several children by her first husband, she would have been considerably older than her second husband if he had been a younger son of Bouchard [III]. A more likely case is that Adelisa’s second husband was Bouchard [III] himself, whose age and position would have been more appropriate for the marriage. This is supported by the Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey which lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi…Burchardus de Muntmorenci…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi…", suggested by Keats-Rohan as Adelisa and her two husbands[603].]
     "Bouchard [III] & his first wife had [three] children.
     "Bouchard [III] & his second wife had [one child].
     "Bouchard [III] & his [third wife] had [three] children."
Med Lands cites:

     Alice/Adeliza (?) of Chester married Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare Lord of Clare and Tonbridge, son of Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare 2nd Earl of Clare, Lord of Tunbridge and Adeliza (Adelaide, Alice) de Clermont.^7,8,1,9
Alice/Adeliza (?) of Chester married Robert de Condet (Cundy) Lord of Thorngate Castle, son of Osbert de Condet (Cundy) and Adelaide de Chesney, after 15 April 1136.^10,8,1

      ; brought lands in Northampton and Lincoln as her marriage portion

captured at Abergavenny by the Welsh when her husband was slain,
15 Apr 1136; rescued by Miles of Gloucester[5]

she made gifts to the monks of St. Peters, Gloucester for the soul
of her husband:
' ... confirmation by Henry II ("Henricus rex Angliae et dux
Normanniae et Aquitanniae et comes Andegaviae...") of the
prior charter, having to do with the gift of the mill at Olney
and that at 'Taddeswell'. This confirmation reads in part,

" Praecipio quod sine dilatione et juste faciatis habere abbati
et monachis de Gloucestria' quos comes Ranulfus eis dedit
in molendinis de Olneyo et de Taddeswelle, sicut carta
testatur. " '[10]

Rosie Bevan wrote:
' There are three additional confirmation charters containing
references to Alice, sister of Ranulph, earl of Chester, and wife of
Richard fitz Gilbert in St Peter's cartulary, which confirm what you
are both saying. It's interesting to see three different versions of
her name.

Vol. I p.104
"...Ranulphus comes Cestriae dedit deo et monachis Sancti Petri
Gloucestriae quadraginta solidos annuos in molendino de Oleneye, jure
haereditario. Confirmat etiam molendinum de Taddewell quad dedit
Alicia soror ejus pro anima Ricardi filii Gilberti viri sui, tempore
Hamelini abbatis..."

vol I p.351
"...quadraginta solidos in molendino Olneye de dono Ranulfi comitis
Cestriae; et molendinum de Tadwalla quod dedit eidem ecclesiae Adeliza
soror ejusdem comitis pro anima viri Ricardi filii Gilberti..."

vol II p. 127 Henry II's confirmation
"...quadraginta solidos in molendino Olneye de dono Rannulphi comitis
Cestriae; et molendinum de Tadwella quod dedit eidem ecclesiae Attelysa
soror ejusdem comitis pro anima viri Ricardi filii Gilberti..."

Olneye is Olney, Bucks, and Tadwell is Tathwell, Lincs.

Cheers, Rosie '[11]

she m. lstly Richard de Clare,
2ndly Robert de Condet/Cundy

Spouse: Richard de Clare [1st husband]
Death: 15 Apr 1136, near Abergavenny (slain)[5]
Father: Gilbert de Clare (-ca1117)
Mother: Adeliza de Clermont

Children: Alice (->1147)
Gilbert de Clare(-1152)
Roger fitz Richard de Clare(-1173)
Rohese (->1156)
Lucy

Spouse: Robert de Condet [12459]
Death: ca 1141[12]
Father: Osbert de Condet
Mother: Adelaide de Chesney
Marr: aft 15 Apr 1136

Children: Isabel (>1136->1165.)¹

; Weis 132d-2. Alice/Adeliza (?) of Chester was also known as Adeliz (Alice) le Meschin.¹¹ GAV-23 EDV-23 GKJ-24.¹²

     Maud de St. Hilary married Roger Fitz Richard de Clare Earl of Hertford, son of Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare Lord of Clare and Tonbridge and Alice/Adeliza (?) of Chester.¹
Maud de St. Hilary married Willliam d'Aubigny 2nd Earl of Arundel, Earl of Sussex, son of William d'Aubigny 1st Earl of Arundel, Earl of Lincoln and Adelicia (Adeliza) (?) de Louvain, of Brabant.²
Maud de St. Hilary was born circa 1132.³
Maud de St. Hilary died after 1173.³
      ; Weis 246b-26.⁴ GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.³

     Lucia (?) of Alkborough married Ivo I Taillebois
;
Her 1st husband.^7,2 Lucia (?) of Alkborough was born circa 1070; Ravilious cites: 8. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Tallboys," August 28, 2002, paper copy: library of John P. Ravilious, citations from Rosie Bevan : rbevan@paradise.net.nz, cites K. Keats-Rohan, 'Antecessor Noster', in Prosopon 2, and Sanders, English Baronies. Genealogics says b. ca 1065.^1,5 She married Roger Fitz Gerold circa 1095.^7,2
Lucia (?) of Alkborough married Ranulph III "the Young" (?) de Meschine, 1st Earl of Chester, vicomte de Bayeux et du Bessin, son of Ranulph II de Meschines (?) vicomte de Bayeux et du Bessin and Margaret (Maud) Le Goz (?) d'Avranches, circa 1098
;
Her 3rd husband.^3,2,8,9
Lucia (?) of Alkborough died in 1141; Ravilious cites: 8. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Tallboys," August 28, 2002, paper copy: library
of John P. Ravilious, citations from Rosie Bevan :
rbevan@paradise.net.nz, cites K. Keats-Rohan, 'Antecessor Noster',
in Prosopon 2, and Sanders, English Baronies.
9. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "RANULF du Bessin "le Meschin", son of RANULF Vicomte du Bessin [Bayeux] & his wife Marguerite [Matilda] d'Avranches (-17 or 27 Jan 1129, bur Chester, Abbey of St Werburgh). Orderic Vitalis names him and his mother[58]. "…Rannulfus filius Rannulfi vicecomitis…Rannulfus vicecomes" witnessed the charter dated 24 Apr 1089 under which Robert III Duke of Normandy donated property to Bayeux cathedral[59]. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of “ecclesias de Apelby…sancti Michaelis et sancti Laurentii” by “Radulfus Meschin”[60]. The Liber Vitæ of Durham names "Rannulfus Mahald uxor eius Ricardus Rannulfus de Mesc filii eorum Lucia uxor Rann"[61]. He succeeded his father as Vicomte du Bessin [Bayeux]. “Ranulfus Meschinus Richerio Vicecomiti Karlioli” donated property for the foundation of Wetherhal priory, Cumberland, for the souls of “Domini mei Regis Willelmi…et Richard fratris mei…mea et uxoris meæ Luciæ…”, by undated charter, witnessed by “Osberto vicecomite, Waldievo filio Gospatricii comitis, et Forna Sigulfi filio et Ketello Eldredi filio et Herveio Morini filio et Eliphe de Penrith”[62]. “Ranulfus Meschines” donated property to Wetherall priory, Cumberland, by undated charter, witnessed by “uxore mea Lucia, Willielmo fratre meo…”[63]. He was appointed Vicomte d'Avranches in 1120 after the death of his first cousin Richard d'Avranches, and also obtained the grant of the county palatine of Chester thereby becoming Earl of Chester (upon which he surrendered the lordship of Carlisle). The Annales Cestrienses record in 1121 that “Ranulphus Miscinus” was made “comes”[64]. He was commander of the royal forces in Normandy in 1124[65]. The Annales Cestrienses record in 1128 the death of “Ranulphus Miscinus comes Cestrie” and the succession of “Rannulphus comes filius eius”[66]. A manuscript narrating the descent of Hugh Earl of Chester to Alice Ctss of Lincoln records the death “VI Kal Feb” of “Ranulfus de Meschines” and his burial at St Werburgh’s, Chester[67].
     "m ([1098]) as her third husband, LUCY, widow firstly of IVO Taillebois Lord of Kendal and secondly of ROGER FitzGerold, daughter of --- & his wife [--- Malet] (-1138[68]). Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records that William I King of England arranged the marriage of "Ivo Taillebois" and "Lucia sister of Edwin and Morcar", her dowry consisting of their land at Hoyland[69], but this parentage appears impossible from a chronological point of view. Peter of Blois's Continuation of the Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records the death of Ivo and his burial at the priory of Spalding, and the remarriage of his widow "hardly had one month elapsed after his death" with "Roger de Romar the son Gerald de Romar"[70]. A manuscript recording the foundation of Spalding monastery records that “Yvo Talboys” married "Thoroldo…hærede Lucia" who, after the death of Ivo, married (in turn) "Rogerum filium Geroldi" and "comitem Cestriæ Ranulphum"[71]. She is named as wife of Ranulf by Orderic Vitalis, who also names her first husband, but does not state her origin[72]. The Liber Vitæ of Durham names "Rannulfus Mahald uxor eius Ricardus Rannulfus de Mesc filii eorum Lucia uxor Rann"[73]. “Ranulfus Meschinus Richerio Vicecomiti Karlioli” donated property for the foundation of Wetherhal priory, Cumberland, for the souls of “…mea et uxoris meæ Luciæ…”, by undated charter[74]. “Ranulfus Meschinus” donated property to Wetherhal priory, Cumberland by undated charter, witnessed by “uxore mea Lucia et Willelmo fratre meo…”[75]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Lucia comitissa Cestr…tra patis sui" in Lincolnshire[76]. According to a charter of Henri Duke of Normandy (later Henry II King of England) issued in favour of her son Ranulf Earl of Chester dated 1153, Ctss Lucy was the niece of Robert Malet of Eye and of Alan of Lincoln, as well as kinswoman of Thorold "the Sheriff"[77]. “Lucia cometissa” donated “manerium de Spallingis...cum quibus melius tenui et liberalius tempore Ivonis de Thallebos et Rogeri filii Geroldi et cometis Rannulfi” by charter dated to [1135][78]."
Med Lands cites:

; From the Complete Peerage by GEC Volume III p.242-243 Richard FitzGilbert de Clare (d. 15 April 1136) was son and heir of Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare (d. 1114 or 1117) by his wife Adeliz da. of Hugh, Count of Clermont by Marguerite, da. of Hilduin, Count of Montdidier and Roucy.
Richard FitzGilbert married Adeliz sister of Ranulph "de Gernons" Earl of Chester. She was the daughter of Ranulph le Meshin, Earl of Chester, by his wife Lucy widow of Roger Fitz-Gerold. Ranulph was Lucy's 3rd husband her parentage was uncertain (See GEC Volume VII Appendix J pp. 743-4) however Volume XIV corrects this and says "that Lucy's father was Thorold the Sheriff and her mother da. of William Malet was shown conclusively by Dr. Keats-Rohan in Nottingham Med. Studies vol xli, 1996, pp. 22-5."

; Per Genealogics:
     "Her parents are unknown/uncertain.
     "Lucia, sometimes called Lucia of Bolingbroke, was an Anglo-Norman heiress in central England and, later in life, countess-consort of Chester. Probably descended partly from the old English earls of Mercia, she came to possess extensive lands in Lincolnshire which she passed on to her husbands and sons. She was a notable religious patron, founding or co-founding two small religious houses and endowing several with lands and churches,
     "A charter of Crowland Abbey, now thought to be spurious, described Thorold of Bucknall, perhaps the same as her probable father Thorold of Lincoln, as a brother of Godgifu (Godiva), wife of Leofric, ealdorman of Mercia. The same charter contradicted itself on the matter, proceeding to style Godgifu's son (by Leofric), Alfgar, as Thorold's _cognatus_ (cousin). Another later source, from Coventry Abbey, made Lucia the sister of Earls Edwin and Morcar Leofricsson, while two other unreliable sources, the Chronicle of Abbot Ingmund of Crowland and the Peterborough Chronicle, also make Lucia the daughter of Earl Alfgar.
     "Although there is much confusion about Lucia's ancestry in earlier writings, contemporary historians tend to believe that she was the daughter of Thorold, sheriff of Lincoln, by a daughter of William Malet (died 1071). She inherited a huge group of estates centred on Spalding in Lincolnshire, probably inherited from both the Lincoln and the Malet families. This group of estates has come to be called the 'Honour of Bolingbroke'.
     "Lucia was married to three different husbands, all of whom died in her lifetime. The first was Ives Taillebois, possibly about 1093. Ives took over her lands as husband, and seems in addition to have been granted estates and extensive authority in Westmorland and Cumberland. He died in 1094.
     "Her second marriage was to Roger FitzGerold, son of Gerold 'Miles Christi' and his wife Aubraye, with whom she had a son William de Roumare (future earl of Lincoln), who inherited some of her land. Roger died in either 1097 or 1098.
     "Sometime after this, though before 1101, Lucia was married to Ranulph de Meschines, 1st earl of Chester, vicomte de Bayeux, her last and longest marriage. He was the son of Ranulph de Meschines, vicomte de Bayeux, and Margaret Le Goz d'Avranches. In 1128 or 1129 their son Ranulph II succeeded his father to the earldom of Chester (which the elder Ranulph had acquired in 1121). He and his sister Alice/Adeliza would have progeny. She married Richard de Clare, lord of Clare and Tonbridge.
     "Upon Lucia's death about 1138, most of the Lincolnshire lands she inherited passed to her younger son William, while the rest passed to Ranulph II (forty versus twenty knights' fees). The 1130 pipe roll informs us that Lucia had paid King Henry I 500 marks after her last husband's death for the right not to have to remarry.
     "Lucia, as widowed countess, founded the convent of Stixwould in 1135, becoming in the words of one historian, 'one of the few aristocratic women of the late eleventh and twelfth centuries to achieve the role of independent lay founder'. Her religious patronage however centred on Spalding Priory, a religious house for which her own family was the primary patron. This house (a monastic cell of Crowland) was founded, or re-founded, in 1085 by Lucia and her first husband Ives Taillebois.
     "Later she was responsible for many endowments. For instance in the 1120s she and her third husband Earl Ranulph granted the priory the churches of Minting, Belchford and Scamblesby. In 1135 Lucia, now widowed for the last time, granted the priory her own manor of Spalding for the permanent use of the monks. The records indicate that she went to great effort to ensure that, after her own death, her sons would honour and uphold her gifts. Lucia died about 1138."⁵

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "LUCY (-1138, bur Spalding). According to a charter of Henri Duke of Normandy (later Henry II King of England) issued in favour of her son Ranulf Earl of Chester dated 1153, Ctss Lucy was the niece of Robert [I] Malet of Eye and of Alan of Lincoln: "H. dux Norm. et comes And." granted land to "Ranulfo comiti Cestrie", including "totum honorem de Eia sicut Robertus Malet avunculus matris sue" had held and "foeudum Alani de Lincol…qui fuit avunculus matris sue", by charter dated to [Jan/Apr] 1153[854]. The precise relationships between all these individuals has not yet been ascertained. Domesday Descendants suggests that Thorold was her father[855]. Keats-Rohan expands her arguments in another article, based primarily on the presence of both Thorold and his wife as "antecessores" of Lucy and her first husband in the charter under which the couple donated Spalding monastery to the church of Saint-Nicholas, Anjou (see below)[856]. The Complete Peerage also discusses whether Thorold could have been Lucy’s father and that her mother could have been the daughter of Guillaume [I] Malet[857]. An alternative origin is suggested by Ingulph's potentially spurious Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland, which records that William I King of England arranged the marriage of "Ivo Taillebois" and "Lucia sister of Edwin and Morcar", her dowry consisting of their land at Hoyland[858]. The Genealogia Fundatoris of Coventry Monastery also names “Luciam postea comitissam” as daughter of “Algarus tertius”, adding that she married firstly “Yvoni Taylboys” by whom she was childless, secondly “Rogero filio Geroldi Romara”, thirdly “Ranulfo comiti Cestriæ”, and was buried “apud Spalding”[859]. The Chronicon Angliæ Petriburgense records "Luciæ comitissæ…filiæ Algari comitis Leicestriæ" as husband of "Ivo Tailbois comes Andegavensis, dominus Spaldingiæ et totius Hollandiæ" and "Toraldus avunculus eiusdem Luciæ"[860]. Lastly, the Annals of Peterborough name “Yvo Taylboys, comes Andegavensis, dominus Spaldynge et totius Holandiæ…maritus Luciæ, filiæ Algari comitis Leicestriæ” and "Toraldus avunculus…Luciæ" when recording his donation to Spalding Monastery in 1074[861]. This relationship with Earls Edwin and Morcar appears impossible from a chronological point of view, in particular because Lucy gave birth to children by her third husband at a time when she would have been over fifty if she has been their sister. It also seems unlikely that their sister would have been given a name derived from the Romance languages. “Ivo Taleboys” donated Spalding Monastery to the church of Saint-Nicholas Anjou, for “conjugis suæ Luciæ et antecessorum Toraldi, scilicet uxoris eius, requie” by undated charter[862]. Peter of Blois's Continuation of the Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records the death of Ivo and his burial at the priory of Spalding, and the remarriage of his widow "hardly had one month elapsed after his death" with "Roger de Romar the son Gerald de Romar"[863]. A manuscript recording the foundation of Spalding monastery records that “Yvo Talboys” married "Thoroldo…hærede Lucia" who, after the death of Ivo, married (in turn) "Rogerum filium Geroldi" and "comitem Cestriæ Ranulphum"[864]. Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records that "his wife the lady Lucia" married "Roger de Romar the son of Gerald de Romar" when "hardly had one month elapsed after the death" of her first husband "Ivo Taillebois"[865]. She is named as wife of Ranulf by Orderic Vitalis, who also names her first husband, but does not state her origin[866]. “Ranulfus Meschinus Richerio Vicecomiti Karlioli” donated property for the foundation of Wetherhal priory, Cumberland, for the souls of “…mea et uxoris meæ Luciæ…”, by undated charter[867]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Lucia comitissa Cestr…tra patis sui" in Lincolnshire[868]. “Lucia cometissa” donated “manerium de Spallingis...cum quibus melius tenui et liberalius tempore Ivonis de Thallebos et Rogeri filii Geroldi et cometis Rannulfi” by charter dated to [1135][869].
     "m firstly IVO Taillebois [I] Lord of Kendal, son of --- (-after 1094, bur Spalding). “Ivo Talliebois” donated property to St Mary, York, for the soul of “uxoris meæ Luciæ”, by undated charter witnessed by “Lucia uxore mea, Ribaldo genero meo, Radulpho Taillebois…”[870].
     "m secondly (after 1094) ROGER FitzGerold, son of GEROLD "Miles Christi" Châtelain de Neufmarché & his wife Aubreye (-[1096/98]).
     "m thirdly (1098) RANULF "Meschin" Vicomte du Bessin, son of RANULF Vicomte du Bessin [Bayeux] & his wife Marguerite [Maud] d'Avranches (-17 or 27 Jan 1129, bur Chester, Abbey of St Werburgh). He was appointed Vicomte d'Avranches in 1120 and Earl of Chester."
Med Lands cites: GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-25.

     Roger Fitz Richard de Clare Earl of Hertford married Maud de St. Hilary, daughter of James de St. Hilary Lord of Field Dalling, Norfolk and Aveline (?).¹
Roger Fitz Richard de Clare Earl of Hertford was born circa 1116 at Tunbridge, co. Kent, England.⁴
Roger Fitz Richard de Clare Earl of Hertford died in 1173.¹
      ; Weis 246b-26.⁵ GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.⁴ He was Earl of Hertford between 1152 and 1173 at England.^4,6

     Arnoul III 'le Vieux' (?) Comte de Guînes, châtelain de Bourbourg, Seigneur d'Ardres, de Tourcoing et d'Alost, was born circa 1225.⁴ He married Alix de Coucy, daughter of Enguerrand III de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy et de Marle, Cte de Roucy et de Perche and Marie de Montmirail.^{10,11,6,9,7,12}

Arnoul III 'le Vieux' (?) Comte de Guînes, châtelain de Bourbourg, Seigneur d'Ardres, de Tourcoing et d'Alost, died after February 1282; Genealogy.EU (Coucy 1 page) says d. 1283.^10,6,9,7
     EDV-23 GKJ-21.

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; This is the same person as:
”Arnould III, Count of Guînes” at Wikipedia and as
”Arnould III de Guînes” at Wikipédia (Fr.)^13,14

Reference: Faris [1999:56].¹⁵

; Per Med Lands:
     "ARNOUL [III] de Guines (-after Feb 1282). The testament of "Baudewins cuens de Ghisnes et castelains de Broborgh", dated 1244, made gifts "par le creancement Mahaut me femme e Ernol mon fil ainnei e mon hoir"[1316]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Guines. "Arnulphus comes Guinensis" sold "iuris dominii et possessionis habebam…in villis et territoriis de Guinis, de le Montoire, de Tornehem" to Philippe III King of France, while providing for "Aelidis uxor nostra" should she survive him, by charter dated Feb 1282[1317].
     "m ALIX de Coucy, daughter of ENGUERRAND [III] Seigneur de Coucy & his third wife Marie de Montmirail (-13 Oct, 1283 or after). The Lignages de Coucy (written in 1303) records that "la seconde fille de monsieur Enguerrant, qui fist faire le chastel de Coucy…Alix" married "au conte Ernoul de Guignes"[1318]. "Arnulphus comes Guinensis" sold "iuris dominii et possessionis habebam…in villis et territoriis de Guinis, de le Montoire, de Tornehem" to Philippe III King of France, while providing for "Aelidis uxor nostra" should she survive him, by charter dated Feb 1282[1319]. The necrology of Joyenval records the death “13 Oct“ 1354 [which is too late considering the chronology of the family] of "dominæ Aelidis de Coci comitissæ de Guines” and her donation of “1000 librarum in vasis tum argenteis tum aureis”[1320]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Guines): "E1. Cte Arnould III de Guines, +after II.1282/1283; m.Alix de Coucy"


Per Genealogy.EU (de Coucy): "D5. Alix de Coucy, *ca 1219; m.Cte Arnould III de Guines (+1283.)^16,17"

; Per Racines et Histoire (Guines): "Arnould III de Guines + après 02/1282/83 comte de Guines, Châtelain de Bourbourg (59), seigneur d’Ardres (62) (vend 02/1282 son comté au roi Philippe III «Le Hardi»)
ép. Alix de Coucy ° 1219 (fille d’Enguerrand III, seigneur de Coucy et de Marie de Montmirail)"


Per Racines et Histoire (de Coucy): "Alix de Coucy ° ~1219 dame de Coucy (1311) et de Sablonnières (77)
ép. Arnould III de Guines, chevalier, comte de Guines (62) et de Namur, seigneur d’Ardres (62), Châtelain de Bourbourg + 1283 (fils de Baudouin III et de Mahaut de Fiennes.)^18,19"

; Per Med Lands:
     "ALIX de Coucy (-13 Oct, 1283 or after). The Lignages de Coucy (written in 1303) records that "la seconde fille de monsieur Enguerrant, qui fist faire le chastel de Coucy…Alix" married "au conte Ernoul de Guignes"[170]. "Arnulphus comes Guinensis" sold "iuris dominii et possessionis habebam…in villis et territoriis de Guinis, de le Montoire, de Tornehem" to Philippe III King of France, while providing for "Aelidis uxor nostra" should she survive him, by charter dated Feb 1282[171]. The necrology of Joyenval records the death “13 Oct“ 1354 [which is too late considering the chronology of the family] of "dominæ Aelidis de Coci comitissæ de Guines” and her donation of “1000 librarum in vasis tum argenteis tum aureis”[172].
     "m ARNOUL [III] Comte de Guines, son of BAUDOUIN Comte de Guines & his wife Mathilde de Fiennes (-after Feb 1282). "
Med Lands cites: He was Comte de Guînes between 1244 and 1283.¹⁴

     Walter de Burgh 1st Earl of Ulster, Lord of Connaught was born circa 1230 at Connaught, Ireland.^4,1 He married Avelina Fitz John, daughter of Sir John Fitz Geoffrey and Isabel (Isabella) le Bigod, circa 1257.^5,6

Walter de Burgh 1st Earl of Ulster, Lord of Connaught was buried circa 1271 at monastery, Athassel on the Suir, Tipperary, Ireland.¹
Walter de Burgh 1st Earl of Ulster, Lord of Connaught died on 28 July 1271 at Galway, Ireland.^7,1
      ; weis AR 177b-9.⁴

; "Walter de Burgh, Lord of Connaught, m. Maud, dau. and heir of Hugh de Laci, Earl of Ulster (by Emmeline, his wife, dau. and heir of Walter de Tidlesford, Lord of Bray), and became in consequence Earl of Ulster, in her right at her father's decease in 1243, and in his own right in 1264. The issue of this marriage consisted of four sons, viz.,
I. Richard, his successor.
II. Theobald, who d. a Carrickfergus on Christmas night, 1303, on his return from assisting the King in Scotland.
III. William (Sir), who performed many signal services in conjunction with his brother, the Earl.
IV. Thomas, who d. 1315."⁸ EDV-23 GKJ-21.

; Weis AR 75-30.⁹ He was Lord of Connaught.⁸ He was 1st Earl of Ulster (in his own right) in 1264.^10,1,2,3

     Avelina Fitz John was born in 1238 at Shere, co. Surrey, England.² She married Walter de Burgh 1st Earl of Ulster, Lord of Connaught, son of Richard Mór 'the Great' de Burgh Lord of Connaught and Egidia "Gille" de Lacy of Dublin, Lady of Connacht, circa 1257.^3,4

Avelina Fitz John was buried circa 1274 at Dunmow Priory, Ireland.¹
Avelina Fitz John died circa 20 May 1274.^4,1,2
      ; Weis AR 75-30.

.³

     "More" O'Brien married William de Burgh Lord of Connaught, son of Walter de Burgh and Alice Ponchard.^2,3
"More" O'Brien was born in 1162 at Connacht, Ireland.⁴
     ; NB: In the 1980's, I inherited an anglicized Irish line from an old World Family Tree (WFT 14-1829) pedigree that I found in the early days of CDs (when I was far less demanding in my genealogical research). From WFT I had:
1 Dermot O'Brien (unk-1120), King of Muster, m. Sahl MacCarty
1.1 Turlock O'Brien (unk-1167), "of Munster", m. Raignait O'Fogurty
1.1.1 Donal Mor O'Brien (unk-1194), m. Urlachan MacMurrough
1.1.1.1 "More" O'Brien (1162-unk), m. William de Burgh (unk-1205)
I am now trying to better understand and clean up this line. In researching for the possible "truth" in this line, I have found several leads:


A. Med Lands, shows a descent under the Kings of Munster that could be this "Dermot", his son "Turlock" and grandson "Donal". The line descends from one TOIRDELBACH, son of DOMNALL of Munster & his wife --- ([1008/09]-Cenn Coradh 14 Jul 1086), as folows:
A.1. TOIRDELBACH, King of Munster, a grandson of Brian Boroma - O'Brien?
A.1.1 DIARMAIT (-Corcach Mór Muman 1118), King of Munster - Dermot?
A.1.1.1 TOIRDELBACH (-1167), King of Munster - Turlock?
A.1.1.1.1 DOMNALL (-1194), King of Munster [sic] - Donal?
Though the female name "Mor" is common in this line, Domnall is not shown as having any offspring, including a daughter named MOR ("More") who might have married William de Burgh. Med Lands provide sources, relying heavily on the Annals of Inisfallen, the Annals of Ulster, and the Annals of Tigernach.


B. Wikipedia provides more direct evidence for the veracity of the WFT line, relying on more modern sources:
B.1 Toirdelbach Ua Briain (1009 – 14 July 1086), King of Munster, grandson of Brian Bóruma, m1 Dubchoblaig (mother of Diarmait), m2 Derbforgaill, m3 Ruaidrí na Saide Buide.
B.1.1 Diarmait Ua Briain (1060–1118), King of Munster, m Mór Ua Conchobair
B.1.1.1 Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (unk-unk), King of Munster, m1 (a dau. of the Mac Carthaigh Mór, d.s.p.), m2 Sadb MacGillapatrick
B.1.1.1.1 Domnall Mór Ua Briain (unk-1194), King of Thomond and claimant to King of Munster, m Orlacan (dau. of Diarmait Mac Murchada) and had a daughter "Mór O'Brien (Princess of Thomond, 1172-1216, who married William de Burgh)"


C. The Wikipedia entry for William de Burgy states: "William's wife was the daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, King of Thomond, whom he married in 1193.[5] A late medieval (A.D. 1397 - A.D. 1418) genealogy found in the Book of Lecan records his marriage to an unnamed daughter of Donmal Mor mac Turlough O'Brien,[6]. This Wikipedia article cites:


D. Weis [2008:168], calls Richard de Burgh "son of William de Burgh ... by his wife, a daughter of Donnell O'Brien, K.T."


E. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (ONDB) article on William de Burgh does indeed report: "According to one Irish source de Burgh was married to a daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, which is consistent with the fact that he was frequently accompanied by his Ó Briain allies, hereditary enemies of the Mac Carthaig and the Ó Conchobhair, in his numerous campaigns in Desmond and Connacht." However, then ONDB adds this caveat: "Although he was married in or before 1193, there is no certainty about the identity of his wife. She may have been an unnamed daughter of Domnall Mór Ó Briain, but the authority for this statement rests solely on the evidence of a late medieval Gaelic genealogy."


F. Genealogics shows the following descent:
F.1 Torlogh O'Brien, King of Munster and Ireland (1009-1086) m Dubchoblaig of the Ui Cheinnselaig
F1.1 Dermod O'Brien, King of Munster (unk-1120) m Saiv|Sadhbh (MacCarthy)
F1.1.1 Torlogh|Toirdhealbhach O'Brien, King of Thomond (unk-1167)
F1.1.1.1 Donald More O'Brien, King of Thomond (unk-1194) - No daughter is shown for Donald
For this descent, Genealogics cites:
1. History of the O'Briens, London, 1949 , O'Brien, Hon. Donough. 7.
2. The Royal Line of Succession, Pitkin Pictorials , Montague Smith, Patrick W. 24.
3. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 144.
     Genealogics, however, reports on his page that William de Burgh m. "Isabel 'filia regis'" and then remarks, "It is suggested that she is the daughter of Richard 'the Lionheart'."
Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. vol 1 183.


G. The History of the O'Briens, by Donough O'Brien (1949) has this simplified descent from "Brian Boroimhe" to "Donald More" (d. 1194):
G.0 Brian Boroimhe (unk-1014)
G.0.1 Teige (unk-1023)
G.0.1.1 Donough (unk-1054)
G.1. Torlogh (unk-1086)
G.1.1 Dermod (unk-1120)
G.1.1.1 Torlogh (unk-1167)
G.1.1.1.1 Donald More 1194)
See the attached image of the descendancy from the frontispiece of O'Brien [1949].


Conclusion: Based on these sources, I believe that the WFT pedigree I orignally had, matches the lineage as laid out by Genealogics, Wikipedia and O'Brien [1949]. I have left the marriage of "More" to William de Burgh, given the argument in ONDB. GA Vaut.^{5,2,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,3,14,15}

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. vol 1 183.¹⁶

; Per Genealogics: "It is suggested that she is the daughter of Richard 'the Lionheart'”.¹⁶ EDV-24.

; Per Med Lands:
     "WILLIAM de Burgh, son of --- & his wife Alice --- (-[1205/06]). His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 7 Oct 1234 which records payment of a fine by his son "Richard de Burgh" for return of land in Connaught which had been confiscated from him "the strife with Hubert de Burgh Earl of Kent his uncle"[467]. Lord of Connaught. m ---. The name of William´s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

     Walter de Burgh married Alice Ponchard, daughter of John Ponchard, between 1145 and 1198
; date is WFT estimate.²
Walter de Burgh died between 1179 and 1180; Thanks for that very good post - the details re: Hubert de Burgh's known brothers is especially appreciated.

On the subject of the de Burgh origins and the possible relationship of William and Hubert, Richard Borthwick wrote some time ago (in part),

'(3) The parents of Hubert de Burgh (d.1243) were Alice & her husband
whose christian name was probably Walter. This Walter (d.1179/80)
held Burgh near Aylsham, Norfolk. Hubert had a brother, William
(d.1205) from whom the earls of Ulster as well as the Burkes of
Limerick, Tipperary, Clanricarde and Mayo descend. It would seem
that the family can be traced back no further than Hubert's mother
and probable father. "The false trail laid by Dugdale in the
seventeenth century was still being faithfully followed in the
nineteenth." [Ellis, 183]. The DNB article on Hubert is a notorious
example. The family were modest Norfolk gentry - nothing very
grand. [Ellis, C. *Hubert de Burgh: A Study in Constancy* (Phoenix House: London, 1952), 183-202] ' [1]

The various de Burgh connections (de Boseville, William <-> Hubert,
and Richard de Burgh <-> King Edward I) all deserve further study.
Anything I might uncover will surely be passed along.

Cheers,

John



NOTES
[1] Richard Borthwick, , SGM, 6 Nov 1998.³



     GAV-25 EDV-25.

.² Walter de Burgh was also known as Reyner de Burgh.

     Egidia "Gille" de Lacy of Dublin, Lady of Connacht was born between 1191 and 1200; WFT Est.⁴ She married Richard Mór 'the Great' de Burgh Lord of Connaught, son of William de Burgh Lord of Connaught and "More" O'Brien, before 21 April 1225.¹

     EDV-23 GKJ-22.

; Weis MCS 15-4.⁵

     NN von Kastl married Ratpoto IV (?) Graf im Chiemgau, son of Dietpold/Diepold I (?) Count im oberen Trangau,
;
His 2nd wife.^2,1,3
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "RATPOTO [IV] (-killed in battle Hohenmölsen 15 Oct 1080). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Vogt von St Emmeram. Graf von Cham. “De Comitibus Ratpotho et filii Udalricus et Ratpotho, Willihalm filius Ger ---“ witnessed the charter dated 17 Jul 1072 under which “--- patriarcha [aquiligiensis Syrus]” confirmed property to Michaelbeuren church after three lives “suam, suæque matris Pilihildæ comitisse nec non Mathildis uxoris fratris sui Friderici”[1155].
RATPOTO [IV] (-killed in battle Hohenmölsen 15 Oct 1080). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Vogt von St Emmeram. Graf von Cham. “De Comitibus Ratpotho et filii Udalricus et Ratpotho, Willihalm filius Ger ---“ witnessed the charter dated 17 Jul 1072 under which “--- patriarcha [aquiligiensis Syrus]” confirmed property to Michaelbeuren church after three lives “suam, suæque matris Pilihildæ comitisse nec non Mathildis uxoris fratris sui Friderici”[1155]. m firstly (before 1065) MATHILDE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. The origin of Mathilde is not known. Wegener says that she was Mathilde von Lambach, daughter of Arnold [II] Graf von Lambach & his wife Reginlinde ---, but gives no basis for this speculation. m secondly ---. According to Wegener[1156], Graf Ratpoto's second wife was --- von Kastl, daughter of Hermann [I] Graf von Kastl & his wife Haziga von Diessen, but he appears to base this only on the transmission of the name Hermann to the couple's son, for which there must be other explanations (assuming that this son was Graf Ratpoto's son by his second marriage which, as mentioned below, has not yet been confirmed in the primary sources so far consulted).m firstly (before 1065) MATHILDE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. The origin of Mathilde is not known. Wegener says that she was Mathilde von Lambach, daughter of Arnold [II] Graf von Lambach & his wife Reginlinde ---, but gives no basis for this speculation.
RATPOTO [IV] (-killed in battle Hohenmölsen 15 Oct 1080). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Vogt von St Emmeram. Graf von Cham. “De Comitibus Ratpotho et filii Udalricus et Ratpotho, Willihalm filius Ger ---“ witnessed the charter dated 17 Jul 1072 under which “--- patriarcha [aquiligiensis Syrus]” confirmed property to Michaelbeuren church after three lives “suam, suæque matris Pilihildæ comitisse nec non Mathildis uxoris fratris sui Friderici”[1155]. m firstly (before 1065) MATHILDE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. The origin of Mathilde is not known. Wegener says that she was Mathilde von Lambach, daughter of Arnold [II] Graf von Lambach & his wife Reginlinde ---, but gives no basis for this speculation. m secondly ---. According to Wegener[1156], Graf Ratpoto's second wife was --- von Kastl, daughter of Hermann [I] Graf von Kastl & his wife Haziga von Diessen, but he appears to base this only on the transmission of the name Hermann to the couple's son, for which there must be other explanations (assuming that this son was Graf Ratpoto's son by his second marriage which, as mentioned below, has not yet been confirmed in the primary sources so far consulted).m secondly ---. According to Wegener[1156], Graf Ratpoto's second wife was --- von Kastl, daughter of Hermann [I] Graf von Kastl & his wife Haziga von Diessen, but he appears to base this only on the transmission of the name Hermann to the couple's son, for which there must be other explanations (assuming that this son was Graf Ratpoto's son by his second marriage which, as mentioned below, has not yet been confirmed in the primary sources so far consulted)."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "[daughter . According to Wegener[1317], Graf Ratpoto's second wife was the daughter of Hermann [I] Graf von Kastl, but he appears to base this only on the transmission of the name Hermann to the couple's son, for which there must be other explanations (assuming that this son was Graf Ratpoto's son by his second marriage which, as mentioned below, has not yet been confirmed in the primary sources so far consulted).
     "m as his second wife, RATPOTO [IV] Graf von Cham, son of Graf DIETPOLD [I] & his wife --- (-killed in battle Hohenmölsen 15 Oct 1080). 1074.] "
Med Lands cites:

     William de Burgh Lord of Connaught married "More" O'Brien, daughter of Domnall Mór Ua Briain (?) and Urlachan MacMurrough of Leinster.^4,2
William de Burgh Lord of Connaught was born circa 1160.²
William de Burgh Lord of Connaught died between 1205 and 1206.^4,2,3
William de Burgh Lord of Connaught was buried between 1205 and 1206 at Athassel Priory, Golden, co. Tipperary, Ireland; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1157, Ireland
     DEATH     1206 (aged 48–49), County Tipperary, Ireland
     William de Burgh (1157–1206) was the elder brother of Hubert de Burgh. William de Burgh is thought to have been the eldest of four brothers descended from Robert de Burgo, Count of Mortain and Earl of Cornwall half brother of William the Conqueror. This fact has not been proven and the debate continues as to whether Hubert and William were indeed brothers or cousins. Correspondence from William's son addressing Hubert as uncle would suggest the former.
     William arrived in Ireland in 1185 and was closely associated with Prince John as his principal commander in the conquest of Munster. He was appointed Governor of Limerick by King Henry II of England who granted him vast estates in Leinster, Munster, and Connaught.
     Sometime in the 1190s, William allied with the King of Thomond, either Domnall Mór Ua Briain, King of Thomond (died 1194) or his son Murtogh, and married one of his daughters. This alliance probably took place during the reign of Murtough, as up to the time of his death Donal had being at war with the Normans. Because of this alliance, no more wars are recorded between the two sides for the rest of the decade. According to the Annals of Inisfallen, in 1201 William and the sons of Domnall Mór led a major joint military expedition into Desmond, slaying Amlaíb Ua Donnabáin among others.
     The Annals of the Four Masters recorded his passing in 1206, and was buried at the Augustinian Priory of Athassell Abbey, Golden, County Tipperary, Munster, Ireland, which he had founded.
     William had three known children (with the spelling Connaught being used in titles of English nobility):
     Family Members
     Children
          Richard Mór de Burgh unknown–1243
     BURIAL     Athassel Priory, Golden, County Tipperary, Ireland
     Maintained by: Vicki Cooper
     Originally Created by: Jerry Ferren
     Added: 24 Feb 2012
     Find a Grave Memorial 85679572.⁵
     He was Lord of Connaught at Ireland.¹

Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Per Genealogics:
     “Little is known of William's origins other than that his mother was named Alice. He arrived in Ireland in 1185 and was closely associated with Prince John.
     “King Henry II of England appointed William Governor of Limerick and granted him vast estates in Leinster and Munster. William's castles at Tibberaghny (county Kilkenny), Kilsheelan, Ardpatrick and Kilfeacle were used to protect King John's northern borders of Waterford and Lismore, and his castles of Carrigogunnell and Castelconnell were used to protect Limerick. He was Seneschal of Munster (Royal Governor) from 1201 to 1203.
     “The identity of William's wife is uncertain, though she is recorded as Isabel 'filia regis' (daughter of the king). A late medieval genealogy records his marriage to an unnamed daughter of Donmasl Mor mac Turlough O'Brien, and the descent of the earls of Ulster and Clanricarde from their son Richard. A book of genealogies recorded in the 15th century by Cú Choigeriche O Cléirigh, one of the Four Masters (published in _Annalecta Hibernica_), indicates that the mother of Richard Mor de Burgh, William's son and successor, was the 'daughter of the Saxon (English) king', an illegitimate daughter of Henry II of England or perhaps Richard I of England. Such a connection would explain the use of the term consanguineus kinsman by Edward I of England to describe Richard Og de Burgh, 2nd earl of Ulster.
     “William had three known children, of whom his son Richard would have progeny.
     “Sometime in the 1190s, William allied with the king of Thomond, either Domnall Mór Ua Briain, king of Thomond (died 1194) or his son Murtogh, and married one of his daughters. This alliance probably took place during the reign of Murtogh, as up to the time of his death Donal had been at war with the Normans. At any rate no more wars are recorded between the two sides for the rest of the decade. According to the _Annals of Inisfallen,_ in 1201 William and the sons of Domnall Mór led a major joint military expedition into Desmond, slaying Amlaib Ua Donnabáin among others.
     “From 1199 to 1202 William led military campaigns in Desmond with the aid of the O Briain. Success in the west and south allowed William to conquer the kingdom of Connaught which, although he had been granted probably before 1195, he had never occupied. Cathal Crobhdearg Ua Conchobair, king of Connaught, fought a successful counterattack against the Anglo-Norman castles in Munster, including William's castle of Castleconnell. Further fighting led to loss of three castles and property, all of which was eventually retrieved with the exception of much of Connaught.
     “In 1200, 'Cathal Crobhdearg Ua Conchobair went into Munster, to the son of Mac Carthy and William de Burgh to solicit their aid.' This marked the start of William's interest in the province. King Cathal Crobderg Ua Conchobair (reigned 1190-1224) faced much opposition, mainly from within his own family, and wished to engage William's aid to help secure his position. The following year William and Ua Conchobair led an army from Limerick to Tuam and finally to Boyle. Ua Conchobair's rival, Cathal Carragh Ua Conchobair, marched at the head of his army to give them battle but was killed in a combined onslaught by William and Ua Conchobair after a week of skirmishing between the two sides.
     “William and Ua Conchobair then travelled to Iar Connaught and stayed at Cong for Easter. Here, William and the sons of Rory O'Flaherty conspired to kill Ua Conchobair but the plot was foiled, apparently by holy oaths they were made to swear by the local Coarb family. However, when William demanded payment for himself and his retinue, a battle finally broke out in which over seven hundred of his followers were said to have been killed. William, however, managed to return to Limerick.
     “In the following year, 1202, William returned and took revenge for his army that was destroyed a year earlier. He took the title 'Lord of Connaught' in 1203.
     “William died about 1206 and was interred at the Augustinian Priory at Athassell in Munster, which he had founded.
     “The _Annals of the Four Masters_ recorded his passing thus: 'William Burke plundered Connaught, as well churches as territories; but God and the saints took vengeance on him for that; for he died of a singular disease, too shameful to be described.'”.²

Reference: Weis [1992:153]: Line 177B-8.^4,6 EDV-24.

; Per Med Lands:
     "WILLIAM de Burgh, son of --- & his wife Alice --- (-[1205/06]). His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 7 Oct 1234 which records payment of a fine by his son "Richard de Burgh" for return of land in Connaught which had been confiscated from him "the strife with Hubert de Burgh Earl of Kent his uncle"[467]. Lord of Connaught. m ---. The name of William´s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

     Urlachan MacMurrough of Leinster married Domnall Mór Ua Briain (?), son of Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (?) King of Munster, King of Thomond and NN inghen Donnchad mac Gilla Pátraic.^4,5
Urlachan MacMurrough of Leinster was born in 1142 at Leinster, Ireland.⁶
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "DOMNALL (-1194). King of Thomond. The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “the kingship of Thomond was taken by Domnall Húa Bríáin” in 1168[1124]. The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “Ruaidri Húa Conchobar” banished “Domnall Húa Bríáin” from Thomond into Ormond in 1175 and “gave the kingship of Thomond to the son of Murchad Húa Bríáin…his own mother´s son”, adding in a later passage that Domnall made peace with Ruaidri in 1176[1125]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that “Tadc Ua Briain´s son and Mathgamain Ua Briain were blinded by Domnall Ua Briain” in 1175[1126].
     "m URLACHAN of Leinster, daughter of DERMOT MacMurrough King of Leinster & his wife [Mor ---]."
Med Lands cites: EDV-25. Urlachan MacMurrough of Leinster was also known as Orlacan Mac Murchada.⁸

; Per Med Lands:
     "ii) URLACHAN . The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. m DONOUGH [Donald] More King of Thomond, son of TADHG King of Thomond & his wife --- (-1194)."
Med Lands cites.³

     Sir Roger le Strange 4th Lord Strange of Knokyn married Maud (?)²
Sir Roger le Strange 4th Lord Strange of Knokyn was born on 15 August 1301.² He married Joan de Ingham, daughter of Sir Oliver de Ingham Knt., 1st Lord Ingham and Elizabeth La Zouche, before 25 March 1344.²

Sir Roger le Strange 4th Lord Strange of Knokyn died on 29 July 1349 at age 47.²
      ; ROGER LESTRANGE, 4th Lord (Baron) Strange (of Knokyn); b 15 Aug 1301; Kt Banneret Jan 1326/7; inherited estates of his unc EBLES LESTRANGE, 1st and last LORD (Baron) LESTRANGE of the 1326 cr; in 1347 was serving abroad in Hundred Years War; m 1st Maud - and had: 1b ROGER, 5th Lord. The 4th Lord m 2nd by 25 March 1344, as her 1st husb, Joan de Ingham, Baroness Ingham in her own right according to later doctrine (m 2nd 1350-51, as his 2nd w, Sir Miles de Stapleton and d 1360-65), dau and eventual heiress of Oliver, 1st Lord (Baron) Ingham of the 1328 cr, and d without having had further issue 29 July 1349.²
EDV-18 GKJ-19.

     Sahl MacCarty married Diarmait Ua Briain (?) King of Munster, son of Toirdelbach Ua Briain (?) King of Munster and High King of Ireland and Dubchoblaig (?) of the Ui Cheinnselaig,
;
Her 1st husband.^3,4,1 Sahl MacCarty married Cormac Magh-tamnagh Mac Carthy Bishop King of Cashel, King of Desmond, son of Muireadach MacCarthy,
;
Her 2nd husband.⁵
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "DIARMAIT (-Corcach Mór Muman 1118). The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain brought a fleet to Wales and took great spoil therefrom” in 1080[1083]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that, on the death of Toirdelbach in 1086, Munster "was divided in three between [his] three sons…Tadc, Muirchertach and Diarmait”, but adding that Diarmait “was banished from Mumu” in 1086 after the death of his brother Tadhg, when his brother Muirchertach “took the kingship”[1084]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain was banished to Ulaid” in 1092[1085]. The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “Diarmait Húa Bríáin” seized the kingdom of Munster in 1114 when “Muirchertach Húa Bríáin” fell ill[1086]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain took the kingship of Mumu and banished Muirchertach from Luimnech to Cell Da Lua” in 1114, but in a later passage records that “Muirchertach came to Luimnech and Diarmait was imprisoned by him” in 1115[1087]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain turned against Muirchertach Ua Briain” in 1116 and that “Muirchertach Ua Briain went to Les Mór and assumed the pilgrim´s staff”[1088]. King of Munster 1116. The Annals of Tigernach (Continuation) record that “Diarmuit Húa Bríáin king of the southern half of Ireland [Lethe Mogha]” died in 1118[1089]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Diarmait Ua Briain died in Corcach Mór Muman” in 1118[1090].
     "m ---. The name of Diarmait´s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites: EDV-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Sahl MacCarty was also known as Saiv/Sadhbh MacCarthy.¹ Sahl MacCarty was also known as NN Mac Carthaigh Mór.⁷

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     NN inghen Donnchad mac Gilla Pátraic married Toirdhealbhach mac Diarmada Ua Briain (?) King of Munster, King of Thomond, son of Diarmait Ua Briain (?) King of Munster and Sahl MacCarty,
;
His 2nd wife.^2,1
     EDV-26. NN inghen Donnchad mac Gilla Pátraic was also known as Raignait O'Fogurty.²

     Rohese de Clare married Baderon de Monmouth, son of William Fitz Baderon and Hawise (?).^1,2,6,7
Rohese de Clare was born in 1110.⁸
Rohese de Clare was buried at Monmouth Priory, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales, England (now); From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1110, England
     DEATH     unknown, Wales
     Rohese de Clare (bef. 1166) was a member of the wealthy and powerful de Clare family and a strong patron of Monmouth Priory. Rohese was a daughter of Gilbert Fitz Richard de Clare and Adeliza de Clermont. In c.?1130, she married Baderon fitzWilliam of Monmouth. Her father being already dead by that date, the wedding was celebrated at Striguil Castle (Chepstow), stronghold of her brother Gilbert fitzGilbert de Clare, who gave the bride away.
     Family Members
     Parents
          Gilbert De Clare 1055–1117
          Adeliza De Breteuil De Montmorency 1058–1125
     Spouse
          Baderon FitzWilliam 1100–1176
     Siblings
          Richard FitzGilbert de Clare 1090–1136
          Adeliza de Clare de Vere 1091–1163
          Gilbert De Clare 1100–1148
     Children
          Gilbert FitzBaderon unknown–1189
          Rohese De Monmouth De Lacy 1145–1180
     BURIAL     Monmouth Priory, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
     Created by: Memerizion
     Added: 19 Apr 2017
     Find a Grave Memorial 178569141.⁸
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III/1 156.² GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-25.⁹

; weis AR 177a-7.¹⁰

     Gilbert Fitz Gilbert de Clare 1st Earl of Pembroke married Isabel (Elizabeth) de Beaumont, daughter of Sir Robert de Beaumont 1st Earl of Leicester, Comte de Beaument et Meulan Meulan and Isabelle/Elisabeth de Vermandois Countess of Leicester,
; her 1st husband.^5,6 Gilbert Fitz Gilbert de Clare 1st Earl of Pembroke was born circa 1100.^1,6
Gilbert Fitz Gilbert de Clare 1st Earl of Pembroke died between 6 January 1147 and 1148.^7,1
      ; Weis 184-4.⁸ GAV-24 EDV-23 GKJ-24.

.^9,10

; Those who were created Earls of Pembroke before the rise of the Herberts from the 15th century on were predominantly close relatives of the reigning monarch. This was not so in the first and historically most important case, however. Gilbert Fitz Gilbert or de Clare was made Earl of Pembroke in 1138 by KING STEPHEN, his elder brother Richard Fitz Gilbert or de Clare being father of the Alice/Adelaide who married William de Percy (see NORTHUMBERLAND, D). In the period of unrest and indecisive civil war known as the Anarchy, when followers of STEPHEN, HENRY I's nephew, struggled with the EMPRESS MAUD, HENRY I's daughter, Gilbert Earl of Pembroke sided with each one. He already held Chepstow, on the Welsh-English borders. In 1144 he pushed far into South Wales and established himself at Carmarthen.¹¹ He was Earl of Pembroke between 1138 and 1148.¹²